subtlety

[swift tinsel]

oofta

[warm marlin]

swapped to outlaw once and wanted to blow up seeing my arcui go back to default

[swift tinsel]

arc profile importing is annoying af too bc you still have to adjust literally everything

and even then it bugs out and you have to /reload

[warm marlin]

i hard coded positions of literally everything which means i never have to reload and it never moves around weirdly due to anchoring issues

[swift tinsel]

not uncommon to just have odd icon empty spaces or dynamic group not being dynamic

[warm marlin]

but it makes setting something new up very unfun

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah I don't use anchors they're too fucky

[shrewd lantern]

The visuals are being in demon form technically

[bleak night]

Demon form ugly

Especially new void demon form, didn't even get a new model smh

[swift tinsel]

their whole effects budget went into Collapsing Star

[shrewd lantern]

female meta forms look alright

why would anyone play male elf

[soft summit]

Not counting sec tech macro’s to shadow dance, I don’t use a finisher in dance unless ancient arts is up?

[swift tinsel]

you can either choose to play around forcing the buff or just finish whenever you're at 6+ cp

forcing the buff is ~1.5% gain in 1-3 targets so its up to you

[native zodiac]

Man i have the exact same thing, 3 rogues all sub bc if i swap spec my ui blows up

Surely its sub this tier

[swift tinsel]

looking at other spec apls makes me very thankful for subs

the one for feral is...something

[warm marlin]

it's actually insane. i saw an ad 2 days ago from blizzard saying "in world of warcraft: midnight, your ui is easier than ever to setup!" and we've been meming it relentlessly since. i was able to make enough to play assa i think but swapping to outlaw was actually so demoralizing i bought auction house daggers on that rogue who is normally an outlaw one trick to play sub instead

[hollow spear]

Holy

Cutting ties with the law

What would the Ryldd of old say about you, man

[warm marlin]

he'd understand when he saw what they did to it

[hollow spear]

True

But maybe he'd hang out in the outlaw channel more to complain about it

(can't tell if you are, I am not going in there)

[warm marlin]

im more of the type to just quit and swap to greener pastures

the outlaw guys are funny though so i do like it there

[hollow spear]

there's a lot of funny guys in there, it just really pulls down the mood if you spend a little too long

[ornate heron]

should your first global in dance always be secret tec as trickster?

[hollow spear]

ideally yes

[ornate heron]

even if you have the 5 stacks of shadow techniques and less than 3 targets?

you would still secret tech?

insted of shadowstrike to proc ancient arts?

[hollow spear]

sectec first

[ornate heron]

okok ty

[hollow spear]

What do you guys do during blades when your first dance ends with a finisher? Yoink out a naked backstab and then go back into dance or dance storm?

[plush roost]

My favorite moment was my assa ui was all nice and pretty, and then i talent doomblade to do some ST stuff and it puts mut envenom back on my essentials and puts a massive garrote timer bar up like ???

[native zodiac]

just a complete failure from blizzard, we went from something to user friendly to absolute jank

[ornate heron]

oh shit

charrend i didnt know you were in here

were btag friends as of last season LOL

from forrest runs, i pumped on dk and you added me (;

[plush roost]

Donjohn?

[ornate heron]

nono im radiokilla on btag

[hollow spear]

meta slave detected, kick him!

[plush roost]

Oooh

Sup brotha

[ornate heron]

i havent played much as of recently

time to get back into it 😄

[plush roost]

Welcome back

[ornate heron]

you think rogue or dk? im still debating what to gear

i love rogue but it sounds like everyones crying about it being bad

[azure mauve]

dude after all of tis time

[plush roost]

Well dk is clearly tuned higher but yknow..

[azure mauve]

we have become a haste mastery class

[plush roost]

Surely 17th wins

[ornate heron]

BIG BUFFS

[plush roost]

I have been preaching warning signs since it was added they call me the prophet

#subtlety message

Also holy shit

I am the prophwt

[hollow spear]

if uhdk doesn't get shot point blank, I don't know what to say

[clear blade]

Hello, I need your help. Is there a class similar to Dragon Flight's rogue sub (dot to put on all mobs, personal buff to maintain)? Because the current sub doesn't make me want to play.

[warm marlin]

erm sounds like assa

[clear blade]

hmm ok will try so

[gilded ferry]

is there a quick way to finish the preys?

[plush roost]

Best way ive found is go to the initial.world.quest spot

And clear traps

Can do it in like 3-5 minutes

[swift tinsel]

there's so many traps

literal traphouse

[plush roost]

Ye i hope it stays

Cause doing prey without and wqs available

Is actual tedium

[swift tinsel]

what you don't love just randomly flying around trying to find the orbs on the map

[plush roost]

The first time i did

Then i rralized they give like
1% progression xddd

[swift tinsel]

the first hunt I did the WQ bugged out bc I did it during quest reset

so I couldn't do it lol

[plush roost]

Oops

[swift tinsel]

yeah don't do what i did

had 4/5 progress, quest reset, then only 1 crystal spawned so I was stuck at 1/5 perma

[daring pike]

can i just macro Shadow Dance with Secret Technique? just put Shadow Dance before secret technique

[latent finch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[calm cloud]

when you use the SD ST macro thought you want to press it outside of a global or you pop SD but not ST and have a global desync on SD ST

[hazy breach]

Yes you want to not use it during a global, as that defeats the purpose of the macro

[spare totem]

Do I just not do the wq and just do the traps? I hate how long preys have been taking me

[north schooner]

do traps until 7-8 stacks of the debuff then finish wq

[subtle hazel]

Does the apex make sub very complicated ? I'm not getting this

[swift tinsel]

it sounds more complicated than it is in practice

[subtle hazel]

Is there a video guide

[stable plume]

Very simple if you don’t want to minmax. If you get the black proc you can finish twice in a row

[swift tinsel]

it boils down to "if you have 5+ shadow techniques stacks remaining after using a builder, you get a buff that makes your next finisher grant a full cp refund and spawn a clone attack"

[gilded ferry]

do we have a !minmax?

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only up to 3 targets.

[gilded ferry]

oh, this one, ok

[dense geode]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[subtle hazel]

Does obr follow the new apex rule or is obr a huge DPS loss

[calm cloud]

just do traps till the target pops up and kill it

takes lke 3 minutes and around 15 traps (they spawn alot in the initial quest spot)

[gilded ferry]

oh, even the minmax now its simple

[swift tinsel]

the automated rotation thing for blizzard doesn't do the strike thing

actions.assisted_combat+=/coup_de_grace,if=effective_combo_points>=5&buff.darkest_night.up this is an interesting line to have in it though

[gilded ferry]

aa does not get prio over sectec right?

[swift tinsel]

sectech is our highest prio

its use is more or less automated since its most efficient to macro it with shadow dance

[gilded ferry]

oh, rly?

did not know that

[swift tinsel]

yeah, it also grants 4 stacks of sht itself due to middle apex talents

so it helps jumpstart stacking

its just a very big button in general, from a damage and mechanics standpoint

[spare totem]

TYSM

[gilded ferry]

yeah, but the macro thing is new to me

[light elbow]

Do i always want to wait secret technique cooldown before using SD ? or if it's going back up soon i can SD and secret technique inbetween ?

[swift tinsel]

you want to hold dance for secret technique

and consume a supercharged combo point on it

[light elbow]

alright thank you

[fathom adder]

how do these souls procced by the vessel trinket look like?

[swift tinsel]

they're little bluegreen orbs that have a necro-style flashy animation when they spawn

might be affected by graphics settings

but they're a bit difficult to see sometimes

assuming you mean vessel trinket from last boss Miasara Caverns

[fathom adder]

yes, thank you

[swift tinsel]

they almost look like dh souls but a diff color

and with less of a cloudy effect to them

[autumn condor]

Has anyone found an addon loophole for a supercharger pre pull WA-style reminder addon yet? Its out of combat usecase, but I'm guessing it still can't really work?

[swift tinsel]

I don't think that's possible atm but I could be wrong

[light elbow]

I'm back to retail for the first time since legion so sorry for the dumb questions, is it normal that outside of SD we have like 90% less damage ? i get that it's centered around that but i feel like i deal close to none outside of SD

[exotic steeple]

ye

[autumn condor]

Yeah that is my assumption too

[swift tinsel]

bc its not really an aura so the aura tracking/reminder addons might not pick it up

since its a resource state

[vernal granite]

hey guys, quick question. what MH and OH enchant should i run? acuity of the ren dorai on MH? and arcane mastery on OH?

[kindred copper]

quick question ? why is Farstrider's Mercy BIS off hand ? and not Murder Row Fishook ?

[hazy breach]

Because its better to have hunt then the bleed from fishhook

[autumn condor]

Preferred the first answer, L CF

[kindred copper]

oohh the fishhook is already embellished, i havent seen it, sry 🙂

[north schooner]

SC (and combo points) are not secret or restricted

[swift tinsel]

ye you'd have to have a sc-specific addon for a reminder

[undone mesa]

hello there folks!!!

Can we have some ideia about witch spec will be the strongest for raiding at march 17? Im just looking for a start point to witch spec play and improve it...

[vale pine]

subtlety ofc

you asked in the subtlety channel, so its subtlety

[swift tinsel]

subtlety is the strongest best most handsome rogue spec

objectively

[torn tide]

its too cool

fuu has many cool pics of sub rogue if u need proof

[vale pine]

yep

neeo

if you followed the blue posts, blizz did say no tuning beofre 17th

this implies tuning after 17th

tuning changes can shift whatever is best

so, play what you want/like

[swift tinsel]

me looking at feral in addition to sub

[torn tide]

im ngl even if rogue got its bum nerfed id still play it

[swift tinsel]

Frantic Frenzy alone makes that spec so much fun

[torn tide]

have u looked into like brew monk? idk how but some em are doing decent dps

like damn

[swift tinsel]

not big on tanking atm

I usually flex heals if I'm not playing dps

[hollow spear]

You forgot to mention that it's also played by the most handsome players

[swift tinsel]

TRUE

[torn tide]

basedd

[swift tinsel]

all the stinkies go play boomkin

[hollow spear]

Valid point

[torn tide]

theyre just disgusting fr

like what is that creature compared to sub rogue

[undone mesa]

i did!! i mean, i like all 3 specs, but looking for the strongest one at the begining, when we dont have logs to base witch one is it.

[livid jewel]

What's the name of the delve and story us rogues should be looking for? Wasn't there an easy one that we could do in like 5 minutes

[shrewd lantern]

I feel all the ones currently out can be done in 5 minutes.

[hollow spear]

No way of knowing. If you have to play the one with the highest dps, you need to learn all three and switch after the balance changes.

[shrewd lantern]

You can probably say 2 since blizz doesn't like it when outlaw performs the best.

from a non sim angle

[hollow spear]

Not sure if they don't like it

[stuck arrow]

I don't even think it's that they don't like when it performs well - they just don't understand how to make Outlaw not suck with down time.

[hollow spear]

The spec just doesn't match well with raid

You have almost no burst

[left ledge]

I know how to make outlaw not suck

[stuck arrow]

Which is kind of antithetical to progression in a lot of ways. No burst. No ability to not press CDs because CDs are self fueling.

[left ledge]

Turn it into a tank spec

[hollow spear]

True

iGestalt is now your number one fan

[frail bone]

when do we want to start poolling shadow dances for blades is it like 30 secs out?

[shrewd lantern]

fury warrior

[left ledge]

You just play around sectec

You don’t think about the other two

Dance with sectec

Double dance in blades

You hold blades for sectec

[shrewd lantern]

if we dont count tww s1 where odyns fury was an aoe nuke

on a short cd

[left ledge]

Effectively blades becomes a 100 sec cd

[frail bone]

oh ok, so just send dances as long as one is up always for sec.

[swift tinsel]

doesn't outlaw actually have some burst now, forgot who was posting log data with it

a few days ago

[shrewd lantern]

most specs that are flat profiles suffer with downtime

[swift tinsel]

but it was not flat

[left ledge]

You dance with sectec, and only double dance in blades yeah

[shrewd lantern]

and also hot take but

burst is not as relevant for non hof range as people pretend it is

[left ledge]

If you’re gonna break that rule for some niche m+ scenario obv it can work but that’s the general rule

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

[shrewd lantern]

Idk why you'll have people doing rwl acting like

burst is "required" when you severely outgear and outnerfed the content

[swift tinsel]

outlaw gettin a lil spiky

[shrewd lantern]

also case in point: sub being the prog spec in sepulcher

despite it being one of the most flat profiles the spec has ever been

[swift tinsel]

perma-blades ahh tier set

[shrewd lantern]

80% blades uptime

dancing 3-4x in a row

what burst

[swift tinsel]

I am the burst

[whole forum]

are we the meta spec for M+?

[swift tinsel]

randy

[shrewd lantern]

The entire argument that burst specs become default for prog specs

would have meant assa was

but it wasnt

[shrewd lantern]

just play 4 bears

unironically

[swift tinsel]

its all timer shit

also sub being literally immortal

[shrewd lantern]

ehh outlaw is damn tanky too

[swift tinsel]

but previously insaneo flexible burst

[shrewd lantern]

but like idk talking meta rn is super stupid when guardian druid

invalidates most dps specs in the game

by doing more dps while being a tank

[swift tinsel]

and also probably getting a novelized set of balance changes next week

[shrewd lantern]

fs

but if we went into m+ with current tuning

prob play 4 bears

no meme

[stuck arrow]

I mean it is Blizzard. Very possible Guardian druid just keeps higher damage than some DPS specs. 😂

[tepid trellis]

they are getting absolutely "mauled" on the 17th pun intended

[swift tinsel]

yeah bear is gonna get chris redfield boulderpunched

[undone mesa]

elucidade me pls, outside blades we spam dance even without sectec (it will be 1 dance with 1 without) and then when blades is coming back we try to hold both dances and sectec?

[stuck arrow]

Been several times where some tanks do absurd damage.

Vengeance in original has had absurd damage for several tiers.

[shrewd lantern]

you dance for sectechs

not the other way around

[swift tinsel]

probably a reason why Vengeance hasn't been seen in what, over a decade

[undone mesa]

right, but about double dance +sectec in blades?

[swift tinsel]

in retail

[tepid trellis]

you back 2 back dance during blades

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you dance twice in blades

[tepid trellis]

and if you have tier + haste on-use

you also double sectech

[shrewd lantern]

I think we're overcomplicating the spec

[swift tinsel]

sectech cd overcomplicates the spec

by being hasted

[tepid trellis]

even if it wasent hasted people would fuss over it

they should just make it 1 time use in stealth

solving it all in one go

[outer cloak]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

ye, can just have it be like void meta/cstar where dance button just becomes sectech

or hitting dance fires off sectech auto

idk

like how dragonrage fires off pyres

[tepid trellis]

just give it the cheapshot code

[muted girder]

we running lights potential pots, or going rampant abandon?

[tepid trellis]

and make it unuseable out of stealth

[vale pine]

i like the shots in dark idea

and make the baseline cooldown long

[swift tinsel]

I'd be fine with it either way, having a longer cd but granting a charge in dance or literally only useable in dance

[vale pine]

using secret 2x during dance sounds like a hype moment

[swift tinsel]

if we're just gonna use the 2nd charge in blades

which you'd get anyways if its only-dance

[vale pine]

oh absolutely

there are many good fixes

[swift tinsel]

12.2.5 surely

[shrewd lantern]

3 sectechs in blades

good ol dust era

[swift tinsel]

sectech cd though is my only big gripe for the spec currently, outside of the entire DS tree

[vale pine]

ye

[swift tinsel]

kinda want clone bps to do something cooler

aside from also benefitting from Potent Powder

actually

apply that to Shadowed Finishers in general

[vale pine]

I think visuals would need an update

but thats a dream

[pulsar hemlock]

That's for another timeline

Where rogues get green fire warlock quest but instead its kyveza and we get void clones

[swift tinsel]

after playing feral and experiencing Frantic Frenzy I'm jonesing for something that satisfying on sub

it looks and sounds so cool

[vale pine]

i think we lost a potential visual update

[swift tinsel]

we definitely did

[vale pine]

by blizz introducing void dh

would be a very good fit for subtlety

[swift tinsel]

it's a shame honestly

even without dipping full into the void thing

we could have gotten some notable visual improvement

[pulsar hemlock]

Sorry, best we can do is coins for fatebound

Enjoy

[swift tinsel]

and that would have done some really nice things for sub

I know realz said he was trying to improve the clone visual

but that was many months ago

also my transmog shoulders add more spell effect to the clones than they have themselves, using the Ulduar ones

gives them a neat tendrily effect

[fallow nimbus]

That works?

[swift tinsel]

yeah if you transmog the tier shoulders from ulduar the spell effect they have gets inherited by the clones

I thought they added a spell effect for the clones themselves but it was just my transmog lmao

but it looks really cool on them

I'll try and get a gif or short video after work

[pulsar hemlock]

Until an intern sees it and fixes the "bug"

[swift tinsel]

I will ping realz if they take them away

I will cross that line if they cross it first

[pulsar hemlock]

[swift tinsel]

will he respond to said ping? probably not. but its about sending a message

"hey man they were cool bring that back for just me please"

[hollow spear]

You will see that realz is typing for half a minute

And then it stops

[swift tinsel]

he scares me so much whenever I see that

which is funny bc he's so chill

[hollow spear]

I always make up nightmares in my mind

[fathom adder]

Realz "eh" while stoppin to type

[swift tinsel]

and I would be incredibly surprised if he actually went off lol

[hollow spear]

Like "15% aura buff to assassination and 10% aura nerf for subtlety because you've decided to be a little shit in discord"

[swift tinsel]

nah that's charrend's legacy

just not the discord part

[hollow spear]

I don't know that lore

Enlighten me

[fallow nimbus]

Something bully dev leaving discord

[swift tinsel]

the joke is that the last two sub aura nerfs were bc of charrend absolutely blasting on beta lol

[fallow nimbus]

Damn you charrend

[fiery fog]

we need more sandbaggers

[vale pine]

[hollow spear]

I always knew it was him who betrayed us

Somebody stop him

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-sandbagger-swgoh-sandbag-territory-war-galaxy-of-heroes-gif-16411237

[hollow spear]

I saw arcane mage simming on par with sub in one of these spreadsheets

Felt the sandbag flying at me

[lilac stag]

He’s just looking for a meme gif to post

[plush roost]

#subtlety message

[swift tinsel]

he's gonna hit us with the Navy Seal copypasta but it'll be from the perspective of an MLG winning player

[lilac stag]

Did you see the latest addon tea?

[swift tinsel]

if its the ellesmere one ye

[lilac stag]

yeah with Platy

[swift tinsel]

yeah it was a crazy thing to copyright claim over

[plush roost]

The already resolved one lmfao

[swift tinsel]

but is resolved now

[west tide]

someone tell me the tea

[swift tinsel]

yeah was like an hour

[bleak night]

That was so funny

[swift tinsel]

lol

[bleak night]

Insanely petty shit

Lmao

[lilac stag]

The strike is the funny part. Resolution is meh.

[plush roost]

Ellemere used a platy texture he thought was blizz default so platy claimed him on curse forge

[swift tinsel]

tldr Ellesmere used a shielded texture for his nameplate addon and it was an HD upscale of the default blizz one that Platy dev made

so then Elle made his own in photoshop and used that instead

[lilac stag]

Wonder if either of them paid for font licensing.

[plush roost]

Incredible bro

[swift tinsel]

but plusmouse wouldn't talk to him at all about it even when elle hopped into addon dev discord to talk about it and fix stuff

[plush roost]

Plusmouse just having a bad day ig

Addon drama whee

[swift tinsel]

right dude

[rapid forum]

ppl acting like they working multi billion dollar software lmao

[lilac stag]

More exciting than people complaining AA and 5 sht is cursed

[rapid forum]

crazy

[swift tinsel]

idk I'm an ellesmereui stan its shaping up to be fantastic

dude is an unreal machine when it comes to build pushing

and the improvements are so fucking good

[plush roost]

Ive always been a minimalist so mapkos MSUF and bettercdm is all i use for UI

[lilac stag]

I haven’t messed with it yet

[plush roost]

Default blizzard party frames are like really good as dps

[lilac stag]

Right now just arc and platy /uuf

[swift tinsel]

its really really easy to configure and has next to zero cpu load

yeah I've already ditched my other addons for it, was using arc wangbar and uuf

[silk fiber]

I have another dumb question. And im sure this is covered somewhere. Obviously we only use secret technique with full combo points in Shadow Dance, but does it matter... When in shadow dance?

Like the min max side of me wants to say if I have 6 seconds until SecTec comes back up, am I screwing up by using Shadow dance right then?

[swift tinsel]

and gonna swap over nameplates after work if I get around to it

[grand wyvern]

I like arc if it wasn't a buggy mess

[plush roost]

Ye it looked good when its finished ill fiddle with it

[swift tinsel]

you want to use it in the same global

[plush roost]

If he has jundies plates then hes cooking

[lilac stag]

It’s not buggy. Just don’t assign it to non arc elements

[swift tinsel]

so we're macroing dance and secret technique together

[swift tinsel]

he was asking about how to add the features people like from Jundies profile lol

just this morning

he just added profiles today by accident lol

[silk fiber]

Ahh so I have been doing it wrong then

[lilac stag]

arc has been updated 2-3 times a week squashing what’s central to it. If it’s bugging out you’ve got a conflicting son most likely fighting for resources

[frail bone]

I still have quazii's platynator profile.

[swift tinsel]

I'm dropping platy after today's drama

[grand wyvern]

When I move around CDM icons they visually bug all the time, reopening arc fixes them but it's annoying

[silk fiber]

I was under the impression it didn't matter as long as it was used in shadow dance somewhere

[lilac stag]

Why are you moving stuff? Set it and be done?

[swift tinsel]

nah you want to use serect technique with a Supercharged combo point from the class talent Supercharger

[grand wyvern]

Well the setting was pain I am not touching them anymore

[swift tinsel]

so either your first or second finisher, since it charges 2 combo points

but with the way the spec works now in midnight its the most efficient to just macro sectech to dance

[lilac stag]

I haven’t had any visual bugs unless they changed text alignment code (which they have)

[swift tinsel]

and make sure to cast with 6+ combo points

arc def bugs though and the dynamic boxes don't always swap esp if you change specs

[plush roost]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/tierlists/raid-dps-tier-list

New ragebait

Lock in

[swift tinsel]

tier list poggies

[lilac stag]

I also don’t anchor anything outside of arc

[plush roost]

You WONT believe whats in A tier

[swift tinsel]

I'm team no anchors

natty set all positions

[lilac stag]

So like if you anchor to a UF glhf

[rapid forum]

bro why is arms warrior so high up

wtf

shit tier list

[lilac stag]

Arms Warrior

omg an I right?

I didn’t click yet

[rapid forum]

it doesnt matter where its placed

[plush roost]

:^) i wont spoil

[rapid forum]

its too high

[lilac stag]

We’re fucked

Pack it in boys

[rapid forum]

let me guess

sub is only a

[grand wyvern]

months of sandbagging up in flames

[rapid forum]

because its the only rogue specc that brings atrophic while not being as shit as the other 2 speccs

[silk fiber]

Right, I gotcha, thanks

[lilac stag]

Outlaw fucked again. Below assa. It’s joever wannabe gunslingers.

[rapid forum]

outlaw is rarely good in raid

not even a balancing problem

just a specc design "problem"

[lilac stag]

the copium was high this tier

[rapid forum]

or rather damage profile

[lilac stag]

I won’t piss on their copium yet.

[spiral needle]

last couple bosses love gimmicks that screw CDR

[grand wyvern]

if you tune high enough every profile is good

[rapid forum]

ye i wish

[lilac stag]

Fury as an example

ST uptime reliant. Banger dmg last tier

[hazy breach]

You need both upgraded

As in both slots

Sword/daggers is not relevant

[rapid forum]

equip both in both slots

swap them around

[hazy breach]

Does one of them have intellect on it?

[bleak night]

[rapid forum]

[lilac stag]

log out and log back in. It should as long as you’ve equipped both and they are agility weapons

[grand wyvern]

are you sure? i have a 240 dagger and a 224 dagger and a 237 sword, i can upgrade the dagger to 237 for free either, i think different weapon types dont count

[lilac stag]

It’s not relevant

Just need 2

[bleak night]

i definitely upgraded a dagger after getting a higher ilvl sword

[dense geode]

Yet warriors only need 1 weapon

[lilac stag]

Shut up priest.

[dense geode]

[bleak night]

my rogue is higher ilvl than my priest atm

[lilac stag]

Upgrade your orb

[bleak night]

m0 was not kind

[lilac stag]

Or whatever your oh is haha

Guess you’re supposed to be yellow

and not white

[calm cloud]

I'm at 240 ilvl but won't get nightmare prey next reset

[dense geode]

What does this mean 😭

[calm cloud]

Item level

[lilac stag]

Did you not do normal before reset?

[grand wyvern]

hard is not nightmare, nightmare unlocks during heroic week

[calm cloud]

No, didn't have early acces s

[lilac stag]

rip

[grand wyvern]

btw hard doesnt unlock automatically you have to do a bunch of quests

[lilac stag]

But yes you need lvl and heroic week

[calm cloud]

Yeah on renowned 2 rn need 4 for nightmare

EA andis hit 4 next reset

[lilac stag]

Which you’ll get this reset

[grand wyvern]

there is no nightmare next reset anyway

[lilac stag]

You can’t run nightmare until the 17

[grand wyvern]

its locked

[calm cloud]

I could spam. Like 70 free hunts for 50 rep. Each to hit 4 next reset aswell but cba

Kk

[lilac stag]

Some dumbass was spreading misinformation earlier

and it wasn’t our resident Aussie

@short radish

[calm cloud]

Btw for bis crafted dagger which stats do we want? Master haste or mastery crit? Idk if the haste/crit changes are the stats missing in full bis for 18~19% haste cap

[swift tinsel]

probs mastery/haste

since that slot will not likely change until you get a myth wep you can somewhat gear around that

and even then it'll be your OH

[calm cloud]

I mean it's bis full season 1 no?

[swift tinsel]

probs

unless something changes

[calm cloud]

Currently have it as 249 Mainhand with shit stats and all mats and missiv to get it mastery /haste

Only need the crests

[swift tinsel]

You definitely can craft now, or wait til the season starts and you see if you get the dagger to drop from first clear/vault then craft hero/myth with crests

all you'd really lose is some gold

[grand wyvern]

wouldn't you still craft dagger first for offhand even if you get dagger from vault?

[keen dome]

OH is very minimal gain.

[grand wyvern]

yeah but so is any other craft

[calm cloud]

Since I already have the dagger crafted the next sparks will go into belt anyways

[swift tinsel]

you'd still craft it first but its more a question of if you craft now vs later with better crests

[calm cloud]

You can just recraft with better crests

So it's w/e

[void ocean]

so we dont have enter/leave combat floating text anymore?

[swift tinsel]

Hunt is sub-1% gain too so its not crazy to not have it

[hollow spear]

I donated to the guy 💀

[warm marlin]

offhand is a goated embellishment slot, hunt is bis, dont think crafting is too risky unless you magically get 2 mythic daggers early, and even then youll want hunt eventually

spending mythic crests on it on the 24th is a bit sussy maybe

[hollow spear]

Did you sim the difference between hunt and the armor embellishments, Ryldd?

[warm marlin]

nop

probably should have

[void ocean]

any takes on this? do i need to install another addon to get this

[warm marlin]

i dont know how good arcanoweave's ally buff is either

maybe its actually bis if you count the ally buffs

[calm cloud]

i mean the crafted dagger is BiS regardless for season 1 so sooner or later you want the upgraded dagger anways

[swift tinsel]

iirc it was ~1% worse to go double arcanoweave

[calm cloud]

what happened?

are recraft order always personal only?

[swift tinsel]

I would do all meaningful crafts as personal

otherwise you might get stuck with a shitter 1-star

[calm cloud]

can't even public anways

[grand wyvern]

well guild order should be possible too

or not?

[calm cloud]

not in a guild

[swift tinsel]

they should bc there's a guild tab

[calm cloud]

fist time retail since wod

[swift tinsel]

for crafting orders when you're at the prof bench

[keen dome]

Yeah, you can do quality on guild orders.

It's just public which lacks it for some reason

[grand wyvern]

i like it cause i can snipe shitty craft to people to skill my profession up

[swift tinsel]

evil

[keen dome]

Haha

I imagine it's partly because otherwise everything would be set to Q5, but still

[hollow spear]

I'll do a sim later maybe

[lean rover]

Is gear I find through prey rewards considered delve gear on raid bots?

[warm marlin]

yeah but spending mythic crests on an offhand is very sad

offhand eww ick

[grand wyvern]

how is it different from spending them on belt tho

[warm marlin]

you get more damage from belt generally

[swift tinsel]

OH is literally just a stat stick/embellishment slot

[calm cloud]

so should we always shoot for highest possible quality on the crafted dagger? because list all just show q2

[swift tinsel]

yes you want quality 5/max on your dagger

at whatever crest tier you're crafting it

[warm marlin]

offhand on assa/sub is like bracer tier for gains per ilvl

[swift tinsel]

otherwise you're stuck funneling resources into a recraft

[warm marlin]

your offhand scaling sucks

[calm cloud]

what bonuses do i get q5 over q2 can't realy seem to find the diffrent stats on wowhead

[keen dome]

iLevel

Q5 is 259

[calm cloud]

ah okay so with mythic crest q5 would be 289 then?

[warm marlin]

285

or 286 but i think 285

[calm cloud]

for sets only no?

dagger should be 289

[warm marlin]

well if you expand that screenshot very slightly downward

[grand wyvern]

you dont get myth crests for another week

[keen dome]

Crafted Myth is typically -3 ilevels off the Myth cap for the season.

As shown

[warm marlin]

it's -4 this season

[calm cloud]

ah okay read it wrong then

[hollow spear]

Classic tldr

[keen dome]

can't believe blizz did this to us

[warm marlin]

local m+ers found dead in the street

[keen dome]

justice for the 1 ilevel

[fiery fog]

4ilvls on offhand dont hurt tbh

[keen dome]

it's a CRIME

[fiery fog]

use it as mainhand until you get a myth track weapon and put it on oh then

[hollow spear]

What is next? Less purple for sub rogue? I'm OUTRAGED!

[calm cloud]

so i guess there s no other mastery haste or mastery crit dagger in this season then and the lower ilvl statstick is just better?

[swift tinsel]

we have a farmable hero track dagger too for early gain

[keen dome]

OH contributees very very little to your damage, so yes

Like Ryldd said it's a great embellishment slot

[warm marlin]

yes, it's just that if you get a mainhand within any sort of reasonable timeframe you are very sad to have thus spent 80 crests on one of the worst spots for dps/crest

[fiery fog]

there is a crit mastery dagger in march on quel danas

[keen dome]

but that's about it. Also don't craft a second dagger just for OH

[warm marlin]

the very thing that makes it a good embellishment slot is also what makes it suck to spend myth crests on

[keen dome]

Ye

[calm cloud]

then this dagger is bad because crit > mastery?

ah cant embelish non crafted?

[keen dome]

If you have no real chance of getting a Myth dagger early on it's a prety safe craft, barring vault rng in week 3.

[keen dome]

Correct. Embellishments only go on crafted items and you can only have two in total

[hollow spear]

I think that also depends a bit on how big the diffy between hunt and the other embellishments is

[warm marlin]

classic question of how long can you sandbag

[keen dome]

Two embellishments, that is. You can craft every slot if you wanted, it's all detemrinistic.

[warm marlin]

does hunt scale with ilvl

[fiery fog]

with my luck there wont be a dagger dropping on myth track until i dont need it anymore

[warm marlin]

i assumed it was like tww where they stopped them from scaling

[keen dome]

I was assuming so too hang on

[hollow spear]

I think it doesn't

[sick basin]

I don't believe they do scale anymore

[keen dome]

yeah doesn't

the non-crafted is 85 stat, and on a 259 it's also 85 stat

[fiery fog]

also skyreach has a haste mastery dagger

gl getting that in your vault

[keen dome]

the big 'ol rng pray

[calm cloud]

can you not drop it from running +9s ?

[fiery fog]

myth track is vault

[hollow spear]

Well you can, but it's not mythic

[warm marlin]

thus, to summarize, you craft a dagger without using crests to get your bis embellishment in one of your best embellishment slots (and get a bonus of having a decent ilvl mainhand early at 259), then you craft later craft wrist/belt or one of the lower value slots with lining. and you may upgrade your crafted dagger with myth crests if you are not progging mythic raid early ish

[swift tinsel]

idk imma be farming the skyreach dagger hero track personally

[hollow spear]

I'll probably decide on how the raid looks

[fiery fog]

if you do not have a myth track dagger that is probably a good choice

[hollow spear]

If 2nd boss is a pushover I might save

[swift tinsel]

well I'm gonna be banking on one from the vault too bc we're an aotc guild that won't see mythic for a while

[warm marlin]

presumably it will be an easier pickup than loomithar

the "second" boss

[swift tinsel]

m+ usually does my heavy lifting in the vault for a good portion of the season

[keen dome]

I'll just craft one once M+ is out. It's always the best bet for me personally

[swift tinsel]

I'll probs do hero track craft if I get cucked

[keen dome]

big dagger stonks

[keen dome]

Do we know if we get a free hero crest from a raid quest this time around? I guess comedy answer is yes but it's from march

[plush roost]

Cant wait for Vorasivius to be surprise super tuned up

And our dagger eludes us again

[warm marlin]

well they removed enchanted crests

they might just give you 80 hero crests

[swift tinsel]

History would suggest we do but I haven't actually looked

[hollow spear]

Because you have to carry your insane heroic pugs

[fiery fog]

deals 50% more dmg for each rogue in your raidgroup

[lilac stag]

So what you’re saying is ||outlaw tier||

[plush roost]

Could you imagine bro, 80 free crests???

[keen dome]

Oh, shit, I've not even noticed that

That's cool. Good change.

[swift tinsel]

yeah they couldn't just give you 80 crests

that would be insane lol

[grand wyvern]

my bet is they dont give you squat

[swift tinsel]

esp if it goes over cap

or maybe an IOU

[keen dome]

Probably nothing, yeah

same reason renown doesn't give a crest

[warm marlin]

either they give you 80 free crests over cap and then realize no one is spending them on crafts

[plush roost]

Imagine if its another spark and 2h users go crazy

[warm marlin]

and then they dont do it in s2

or they dont do it at all

[swift tinsel]

an index card with "good for one free hero track craft" written in crayon

[keen dome]

lol, yeah, a spark would be cool

maybe an omni tier token

[lilac stag]

This is how they save arms

[warm marlin]

arms going crazy -> finally ahead of the healers

[lilac stag]

pmuch

[swift tinsel]

honestly we have two good options for m+ dagger with the pit of saron one too

haste/crit

[keen dome]

I keep forgetting pit of saron is in the rotation

every time I see it i laugh

[plush roost]

Marshy on the case

[swift tinsel]

dude Igo so fucking hype when I saw they were bringing it back

[warm marlin]

marshy the goat

[swift tinsel]

and immediately reminisced about people nuking others with the last boss rune

[warm marlin]

convenient mushroom pile there scarrend

[plush roost]

Bdk st sure is smthn

ahem

I didnt have meta for the fight

[swift tinsel]

they're gonna get SL s3 tuned

just wait

[plush roost]

Pit became one of my favorite beta keys

Surprisingly well done

[swift tinsel]

is the routing pretty open?

the first area esp

or does everyone just hug the wall

also how's the gauntlet before last boss

[keen dome]

How bad will it be for pugs

[swift tinsel]

(can i kill people with falling snow)

[calm cloud]

is there an addon or tool that helps to choose the best item from your vault?

[swift tinsel]

Raidbots top gear sim

will tell you

if you open your vault, then generate a simc string it will include those options for you

very handy tool

[keen dome]

Just flip a coin

[swift tinsel]

imma use a d6

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[lilac stag]

Wonder what the dps difference is from crafter 285 haste/mastery and the raid dagger at 289

[swift tinsel]

oo actually d10

[calm cloud]

not a d9 ??

[swift tinsel]

since I'll have all 9 slots open and 10 is blind pick

[keen dome]

I'd put 5 gold on it being negligable

[astral axle]

do you offer coaching so you can teach me how to do "Mushroom Pile" dps numbers?

[calm cloud]

required Simulationcraft addon for the string creation?

[tepid trellis]

for mainhand probs 0.4%

or smth like that

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[calm cloud]

kk ty

[tepid trellis]

maybe 0.8%

[swift tinsel]

if you're interested in more optimized gearing Simulationcraft is a required addon

[keen dome]

negliable difference, woo

[swift tinsel]

and you'll use it in tandem with raidbots.com

the simulation website

there's a bunch of youtube guides on the fun features

[calm cloud]

yeha im a classic andi and only use wowsims sofar but seem to be about the same in handling

[swift tinsel]

but typically you'll use Top Gear to choose which combination of your available gear will yield the highest dps

[astral axle]

you know what i enjoyed this week, i enjoyed running through m0 dungeons on each of the rogue specs and just smiling as i played rogue

😌

[swift tinsel]

yeah there's a little initial learning curve to raidbots but once you know how to navigate it its incredibly useful

[keen dome]

It's a very good tool to learn

[astral axle]

raidbots owns

im very happy to throw my money at raidbots

[swift tinsel]

you can simulate all kinds of gear setups, echant/gems, crafted gear

[lilac stag]

I’d assume closer to 4 but maybe I’ll try running default profile later

[swift tinsel]

can also use the Droptimizer tool to see what dungeons or raid fights have the best upgrades for you

[tropic pier]

i miss my shroud weakaura and my tricks macro

[keen dome]

Take it as a chance to make a pun every time you tricks someone

A bespoke personalised message

[tropic pier]

i mean theres no way to automatically put it on the tank right

[keen dome]

Hell yeah negligable

[shut sandal]

A question for optimizers, if you have max combo points, low energy and around 6 seconds left on ST/SD cooldown, is it better to hold CP to use ST on cooldown, or to spend and let ST be delayed?

[frail bone]

doesnt the set focus marco work?

[tepid trellis]

ST is ONLY used during dance

never outside

[astral axle]

I've used the mouseover macro Stealthi reccs in the method guide for tricks and have never gone back

Let your focus be free for kicks. Mouseover tricks is the way

[tepid trellis]

(which i dont even use myself xD)

[astral axle]

oh

[swift tinsel]

I just use an @party1 macro lol

[tropic pier]

i just dont press tricks in dungeons now

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift tinsel]

and have groups sorted by role

[tropic pier]

thanks blizzard

[tepid trellis]

i have specific target macros

with names

[tropic pier]

yeah but i pug dungeons a lot so that doesnt work

[tepid trellis]

but i recommend the mouseover cuz its just ease of use

[astral axle]

Mouseover!

[tepid trellis]

well you just right click copy name

[astral axle]

Easy peasy and as sub you set it and forget it pretty much

[tepid trellis]

then add them into the macro

but yeh

i dont pug

almost ever

[swift tinsel]

ye with trickster you just use it once

[tropic pier]

yeah but editing that in is a lot of work

[tepid trellis]

so not an issue for me

[swift tinsel]

so mouseover works fine

[tropic pier]

true i didnt think about that

ok maybe its worth pressing

[swift tinsel]

I mean we get a huge threat dump during dance

but idk how that affects tricks

[tepid trellis]

it doesent

[calm cloud]

i recently saw an addon "auto tricks tank" or something?

but can't find it in chat anymore

[swift tinsel]

would be very funny if the -10mil threat mod of dance got transferred via tricks

[tepid trellis]

you just get -1mil threat when you press dance

you still generate threat like normal

[swift tinsel]

ah makes sense

I thought it was for the duration of dance not just a dump on press since it has the same temp aura as blessing of salvation

[fiery fog]

i just press tricks on the party frame (when i use it lol)

with dance generating a gazillion - aggro it doesnt really matter imo

[keen dome]

Blackjack for life.

[calm cloud]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/tankmd

thats the one i saw

[tropic pier]

even blackjack sucks now with no aoe blind

[calm cloud]

can just do a macro button and apparently always tricks the tank

[keen dome]

I'm going to pretend it's still there and feel like I have utility, you can't take blind ignorance from me.

[tropic pier]

🧎‍♂️

[plush roost]

Yes, most people.settle on big pull starting area, go left, then kinda circle around the dungeon right. Gauntlet was chill except initial pull is super deadly from leapers (think thwatre of pain bridge)

[swift tinsel]

do you do krick and ick or garfrost first?

or does it not really matter

[plush roost]

Garforst usually

[swift tinsel]

man I can't fucking wait

[plush roost]

U wanna lust garfrost and u do like 10 minutes of trash lmfao

[swift tinsel]

lmao sounds about right

[keen dome]

Haha

[plush roost]

Its actually pretty fun

[swift tinsel]

can you shroud the first ramp after krick/ick?

[keen dome]

It's gonna be a cool season. I'm glad Al'geth is back.

[plush roost]

People kept trying to route out liches but they kept adjusting it so nwe had to pull it lmfao

[swift tinsel]

or do you do the whole ramp section

[plush roost]

Ramp section has truesight mobs and turbo count

[swift tinsel]

ah

[plush roost]

But u could prob distract skip

[swift tinsel]

you used to be able to cheese the mob spawn and get to the top of the ramp if you did it right

to the first landing

kill krick/ick insta mount and run to the landing and you could skip the vrykul/casters

[plush roost]

I will say tho, people think algethar is gonna be a turbo pull dungeon

But its actually pit

Every single pull is 12+ mobs

[swift tinsel]

yeah the whole first section and the ramp have tons

how are the dragons on the way to garfrost?

[plush roost]

Nah just every section LOL

[calm cloud]

is it og wotlk pit or a revamp?

[swift tinsel]

yeah its pit wotlk

so it owns lol

[plush roost]

Its wotlk with modernized trash

[swift tinsel]

I'm super excited for it

[lilac stag]

fuck. It’s over

[calm cloud]

so you still play ick behind his spawn and skipp all the spitting adds?

[plush roost]

Kinda

[calm cloud]

or needed for count

[plush roost]

U pull the pack infront of ick into boss

Since its just tank damage

[swift tinsel]

what mobs are those again

[calm cloud]

oh okay

[plush roost]

Free funnel

[swift tinsel]

geists?

or ghosts

[calm cloud]

OG those mobs keep spitting ground aoes

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[plush roost]

The plaguehorrors

[calm cloud]

and more then 2 and you have next to no room witht he boss also dropping puddles

[swift tinsel]

and they'd get butt pulled by kiters all the time

if you tried to skip

[plush roost]

Yeaa the layouts quite a bit different than wotlk for trash

[swift tinsel]

imma watch a vid later

[plush roost]

The ground puddle guys are to the left of icks area and u dont have to pull them

[swift tinsel]

oooo or does mdt have the maps yet?

[plush roost]

Yea it does

[swift tinsel]

noice noice noice

[calm cloud]

is there any required addons for routing m+ btw? new to retail so just got base stuff rn

[swift tinsel]

holy shit literal first map I see literally does pull the entire first area hahaha

[limpid sage]

You guys know if maghar racial is bugged in sims or it’s just that bad now for some reason?

[swift tinsel]

minus the shitters on the walls

[plush roost]

That was the second latest iteration

They changed a couple mobs on the ramp area

But thats the gist of it

[shadow snow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

was the first one I clicked

[plush roost]

Yeah thats slower but also an option

Good for 10s

And stuff

[swift tinsel]

oh man they changed a bunch of the mobs

this is nice

[plush roost]

Ye most dangerous parts are lich pulls and leapers tbh

And bosses

Ick and krick u play without lust and u can get turbo fucked

Garfrost is a healer fight

Last boss dps check (add needs to die in 20 seconds or gg)

[lilac stag]

Secondaries not as good start of tier

[swift tinsel]

man this is gonna be fun lol

[plush roost]

That and maisara

[swift tinsel]

love me some gotta-kill-adds sections

[plush roost]

Were top 2 keys

[swift tinsel]

miasara last boss is my fav

[plush roost]

But they changed maisara so idk anymore

[swift tinsel]

looks so cool

the trash leading up to it not so much but that's my healer's problem

[plush roost]

Making people play bridge trash 👎🏻

Was able to hug wall and skip most on beta

[lilac stag]

Making people play m+ 👎🏻

[swift tinsel]

our tank in m0 thought you could just speedrun to the end and not pull the drummer

[plush roost]

Haha yea that drummer fucks

[astral axle]

Bro they changed his name

The drummer on beta was named Zildjian or something

[swift tinsel]

honestly I can't really see any of the dungeons being not-fun

[astral axle]

Like a ref to the cymbals

[lilac stag]

why do we have an ice arena in a dungeon?

[swift tinsel]

lmao love that

[astral axle]

But now he has some stinky unfun name

[swift tinsel]

Den is season 2 and I will be complaining about it the whole season

[astral axle]

All my homies love to run like Luigi

[frail bone]

den seems like a complete pain in the ass

[swift tinsel]

first section sucks

[lilac stag]

just add a cliff to fall off

[swift tinsel]

middle section sucks

[fiery fog]

i will do it once to get the port and never go near that dungeon ever again

[swift tinsel]

last section can suck if you don't have more than one enrage dispel

iirc den loot is kinda butt for us

[lilac stag]

rogue utility

[swift tinsel]

think it was bottom on droptimizer

also I think I've run Seat maybe twice in my entire life so I'll have to learn that one

[frail bone]

that first boss in seat gonna be a pain to pug

[limpid sage]

Ye just didn’t expect it to be close to the bottom ig

[lilac stag]

Eleem just fattening up pandas. megan orcs

[upper narwhal]

So far I’ve managed to grab 3 of the things at the start of Den without pulling any mobs, maybe the dungeon could have some cool rogue tech for routing

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-first-time-nervous-80s-movies-gif-19769548

[upper narwhal]

Let a man dream

[swift tinsel]

can probs skip stuff in Murder Row first section too

unless they add truesight

was able to sneak and interrogate a few of them in the first area

[pastel rain]

guys do we start using black powder as finisher on 2 targets? or 3?

[swift tinsel]

2

[pastel rain]

ty

[limpid sage]

😔

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-ugh-fine-gif-12676450205444971845

[lilac stag]

I was hoping humans would be a little better. We stick with VE this tier I suppose.

[echo dirge]

If i have the macro for SD + ST do i ever press ST outside of that macro? i can not have it on my bars right

[upper narwhal]

Surely rogue will be worth cooking an entire route around by the time S2 swings by just wait

[austere canopy]

I somehow never thought of this, did you have to use distract or just straight stealth to the targets

[swift tinsel]

you can just natty stealth

iirc it was the one to the left when you start and one in the building off to the right

but you can probs distract too depending on the range you can interact with the npc at

might hop into it later and actually see which ones we can sneak to safely

bc that first area kinda stinky

[limpid sage]

Nah its nelfing time

[spiral steeple]

Was flagellation removed?

[swift tinsel]

very rarely maybe, but you're probs pretty safe just using that macro

[warm marlin]

orc on top

[young harness]

what dps are yall hitting on st and cleave dummies?

[lilac stag]

haranir

[limpid sage]

Yes 😔

[lilac stag]

It’s now an icon for the prey system.

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[supple barn]

the coup de grace macro doesnt work for me;\

[west tide]

hella

[tepid trellis]

check if its on your stealth bar or not

and or if you spelled it correct ofc

[supple barn]

ok one sec

new to retail so im sorry if im doing it incorrectly

[lucid jackal]

Do u have the macro on both stealth and normal bar?

[inner dust]

Are you sure you're with a trickster build ?

[stuck dune]

For m+ is dwarf or nelf bis

[swift tinsel]

is it not casting coup or is it just bc the icon itself isn't changing

[lilac stag]

panda

[supple barn]

ah so showtooltip just isnt working

coup pops up now

and i can cast black powder just no tooltip lol

icon*

[stuck dune]

Panda for m+? I thought defensive utility is key

[lilac stag]

we’re dps chads here. Healers are for healing.

Give them something to do

and race meta usually takes time to show itself

So come back in 2 months

[stuck dune]

lol this guy

[grand viper]

You can manually choose the icon to black powder

[lilac stag]

By the time race defensives actually matter it’ll be 4-6 weeks after start of season. so check back in 2 months not wrong.

You could try looking at beta races in wcl.

[hollow spear]

Chad panda

[stuck arrow]

With number of casts I could see NElf being legit.

Hard to say.

Legit though people usually focus on race in WoW too much.

[magic ruin]

what is the magnitude of dps gain from shadowstriking on full cp for the apex talent?

[frail bone]

so that coupe and bp macro doesnt work for me ancient arts is up. It only works after it goes away.

[sweet heron]

1.5%

[exotic steeple]

lets say i got 6 cp and got 1 sec of SD left, do i send bp or evis on 6cp then in sd or just go 7 cp and send out of sd?

[tepid trellis]

finish

is what id do

[exotic steeple]

okok ty

[lilac stag]

People don’t want logical thought processes. Just answers.

[sick basin]

Wasn't this not recommended to use anyways because then you can't save coup for dance windows?

[lilac stag]

I’m gonna go with undead bis for m+

guide writer is undead. Makes sense.

[lilac stag]

It’s a laziness macro.

3 buttons to press is asking too much in aoe

[frail bone]

it wont cast even in dance windows.

[sick basin]

I mean fair

[exotic steeple]

im sure stealthi said it doesnt really matter

[lilac stag]

You spending coup on 2 targets while moving to next pack

[frail bone]

I usually end up sending it with evis anyways.. just saying that the macro doesn't function with ancient arts it spends the bp and then without it will work but your losing out dps that way so its effectively pointless to handcuff your own dps is it not?

[tepid trellis]

worked just fine when i tested it out a week or so ago

[lilac stag]

Is this our new?

[alpine wraith]

eii

[exotic steeple]

also i think the macro saves couple milliseconds of brain time realising u got cdg

so more dmg

hehe

[lilac stag]

[shrewd lantern]

That's a self report buddy

[lilac stag]

just say you want to be lazy

[shrewd lantern]

I do find it annoying coup doesnt glow anymore when its ready

[exotic steeple]

i want to be the laziest mf of earth

[lilac stag]

better

[tepid trellis]

yep it fcking sucks

[shrewd lantern]

is there any way to change that

idk if arcui can

[tepid trellis]

dont think so

[exotic steeple]

i think it can

[shrewd lantern]

like if i go on a class like dh all my felsurges still light up

[lilac stag]

you can’t.

[shrewd lantern]

when they will trigger one

[exotic steeple]

it has some glow when procced options

[shrewd lantern]

with base ui

[tepid trellis]

they have blocked all of that kinda stuff

[exotic steeple]

ah nevermind then

[tepid trellis]

only way to get a visual for Coup being ready

is to track eviscerate

in your CDM

[frail bone]

ok I just tested it out on the dummy, I proc the AA and then try macro, bp is used. leaving the coupe buff still(it will spend with the supercharge and reg combo point). If I rebuild to the next AA, coup will then work first.

[shrewd lantern]

its just strange because light up buttons for most other specs i tried still works

[chrome palm]

you can read how many stacks of a buff you have if its in the CDM

[lilac stag]

And use stack count tracking and overlay that on evis

[chrome palm]

so its possible to glow it

[shrewd lantern]

like fury ramp lights up if you have enough rage

[chrome palm]

just not addon support for that afaik

[shrewd lantern]

and felscarred dh still lights up any ability you have yet to trigger a felsurge from

[tepid trellis]

cuz they are actualy abilities

[lilac stag]

well you see rogues are stealthy.

[tepid trellis]

eviscerate does the same

if you track it

in cdm

[lilac stag]

No light ups for faux ability

[tepid trellis]

atleast it did on ebta

beta*

[shrewd lantern]

i dont mean tracking it in cdm

[vale pine]

one thing you could do is

[shrewd lantern]

i meant it just lights up on the bars

for dh

[vale pine]

replace evis icon with a blank one

[tepid trellis]

so does coup

[tawny marlin]

So it doesn't work

[tepid trellis]

or atleast used to

[vale pine]

if you use the evis icon in cdm then

it won't show evis, only coup

^^

because when it shows evis, its the blank icon

tho thats kinda a hack, and means you lose the icon on action bars/spell books/etc too

[frail bone]

it does but, doesn't follow the macro layout of casting coup first. maybe because the 1.2 sec delay

[shrewd lantern]

yeah idk what they bricked in midnight