subtlety

[tribal blade]

which is user friendly

[jolly sleet]

Orbit extends the idea to player frames

which is insane

[tribal blade]

oh yeah that's dope

[hollow spear]

A lot of addon devs are good at making it work well, but suck at making it easy to setup

[tribal blade]

this is what every addon needs to be like

it's SO MUCH EASIER

[covert yew]

I have a question, i feel like playing sub and not using the Shadow dance / shadow blades? then I dont do anydamage? and when I use any of the mentioned cds i do ton of dmg, is the spec really based around those two cds?

[tribal blade]

yes this

[hazy breach]

Yes'

[tribal blade]

it's the reason why there's an entire industry around user experience

[granite schooner]

yeah 😄

[tribal blade]

my ex got into UX design

[hazy breach]

Outside of shadow dance you dont do damage

[tribal blade]

they were making a lot of money back in the day

[fallow nimbus]

I wish platynator had sliders to pixelperfect align stuff after you drag&drop

[covert yew]

ok thank you

[tribal blade]

yeah that would be nice

[fallow nimbus]

Like advanced settings

The widgets kind of snap in some places

[tribal blade]

first time using platynator design mode for me was

[hollow spear]

My mantra for next season is to prepare more for the actual fights rather than endlessly tc and setup my ui

[tribal blade]

oh that gif says year

not world

reeee

[hollow spear]

Rip

[fallow nimbus]

I took a default one I liked and modded it

[tribal blade]

that's the kind of technical jargon

[jolly sleet]

if youre looking for a spec that build then spends with a lighter emphasis on cds there's the survival hunter !
You build stacks of a buff with kill order, then use them to buff your other attacks, the cds arent "buff buttons" but actual attacks (with a freaking shotgun)

[tribal blade]

imagine trying to set up a typical nameplate addon and being like "wtf is a widget"

and just messing with every slider to see what changes what

it's so confusing

(as a non tech person)

[jolly sleet]

sadly all other energy based combo point based classes are built around their cd usage you won't find anything on this spectrum that fits a "no cd" build

[fallow nimbus]

The worst is having a slider, messing with it and then you forgot what it was set to

[tribal blade]

lol yes

you know how long i had to mess with the sliders for the nameplate stacking stuff to know how to make them rest exactly as i wanted

[fallow nimbus]

I have a folder with screenshots of my most crucial addons

[tribal blade]

most addon devs on wow build them with the assumption that you understand all the jargon

and it makes it a horrible experience for people like me

who know nothing

[fallow nimbus]

Backup on a usb stick since i at one point in time lost my entire ui and had to copy it from an old harddrive

[jolly sleet]

tbf most addon devs code for themselves first so the jargon is part of the package

[tribal blade]

this is true yeah

[fallow nimbus]

The export option most of the new addons have is really nice

Export and save in txt file

[tribal blade]

yeah i like that too

this does feel like a new age of addons in wow for me

for the better

i've never had such an easy time setting up addons with good functionality before

[fallow nimbus]

I have a one ui fits all classes but primarily rogue

Thanks to sensei, bcm and bartender

Yesterday i discovered that details has a statusbar with ping, fps and such

Now i can see my gold without opening the bag

[tribal blade]

oh nice i didn't know that

[fallow nimbus]

It's under the main window or invisible with infos in title bar

[tribal blade]

might set that up, that's stuff i look at all the time and it's annoying to mouse over the thing

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah, i have my ping and fps in the title bar now

[fleet acorn]

I had less addons before Patch then now … 15 addons for weakaura addon

[hazy breach]

yep

[austere plank]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[quaint brook]

Just came back from tww

What did sub rogue even lose

Everyone said how easy this spec is now

It didn’t even get pruned

[vale pine]

well

you lost roughly 5+ key binds, and a lot of dynamic in gameplay

depending on who you ask, that might be "nothing"

[quaint brook]

What abilities

I stg it feels identical

[red flame]

Flagellation & rupture …?

[vale pine]

flagellation, rupture, cold blood, symbols of death

[quaint brook]

I think it’s because I PvP

[red flame]

Idk how I forgot those

[quaint brook]

Rupture never really pressed

Symbols I think I had macro’s

Flag I never chose

Maybe this is a me issue

They should of gotten rid of ST

[vale pine]

many talents also changed

oh ye

you also lost tornado

not a big loss there tho

talents which previousely affected gameplay, many times are now just passive damage increases now

cooldown management became very diffrent too

every cooldown is static

so you don't rly have dynamic decision making like before

[quaint brook]

I think I just played like a gorilla before

So to me it seems the same lol

But thank you

I appreciate the run down

[dry plank]

It feels similar 🙂 just press less buttons

[shadow lance]

Ngl, seems accurate

[vale pine]

some core things did not change

you still use shadow dance

you still use secret as your first finisher in dance

[quaint brook]

Me on the left 😎

[steel zinc]

sub rn is that

you press buttons

[tough canyon]

now that is ACTUALLY wild, why would they use excel 2019?

is it the last purchasable version or somethin?

[lilac stag]

Always has been. Just high roll.

[vale pine]

think thats 2023 or 2024

office is, besides common beleave, a software that hasn't changed much in the last decade

you can probably do 99% of what people do with an 2007 version

[tough canyon]

i guess i have never worked in a place that was saving on excel and i do accounting, hell people use googlesheets if they dont wanna pay, but old excel? thats a first for sure.

i know photoshop was always like that, people use a version for like 10 years and then maybe upgrade.

[bronze turret]

Can’t play the spec or melee - can play the spec but not melee - natural with the spec and know how to play melee

[lilac stag]

Accurate. Now win RNG

[midnight tulip]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torn tide]

is there anything for us to track for when the apex comes out?

more specifically the refunding system in that last apex tier, so that ill know if its gonna refund or not

[hazy breach]

Theres a big shadowy glow around the middle of your screen

When you have the refnd

[torn tide]

oh great

cuz i was scared that id get too involved in muscle memory and accidentally shadowstrike/backstab even if it refunded and waste energy lol

[warm marlin]

Does he know

[lilac stag]

[torn tide]

know what...

[warm marlin]

you want to intentionally shadowstrike after a refund if it'll proc apex again

(at full cp)

[torn tide]

wait does refunding not give u all the cp back

i think i might be understanding this wrongly

[warm marlin]

it gives you all your cp back yes

well between 5 and 7 but essentially always 7

[torn tide]

so if i get back 7 then wouldnt that just mean do another finisher after refund?

shadowstrike is for building right

[hazy breach]

Yes you could finish, or you could strike once and have your next finisher be buffed by the apex

[torn tide]

so the rotation would be the same except for when i refund, i want to strike then finisher

oh i see

Your next finisher generates maximum combo points, after using a combo point builder while having 5 or more stacks of Shadow Techniques.

so its kinda just to make the next one max too then keep doing that?

[frigid prawn]

fw is now a buff and not a debuff anymore? 😮

[lilac stag]

Welcome to 2 months ago

[frigid prawn]

Yeah I just came back after 4 month, its crazy 😂

[lilac stag]

should have stayed away. Hahaha

[keen dome]

@lilac stag I'm gonna pug (a) CE this coming tier.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/thoughts-and-prayers-winston-bishop-new-girl-lamorne-morris-whatever-gif-17815995

[keen dome]

The middle raid is a single lairboss.

It won't have a lockout (in the sense that it's a single boss, so nothing before it)

Because it's just one boss.

[lilac stag]

I can’t wait for it to be tuned so only top 10 can kill it

[keen dome]

And it will have a CE.

Hahaha, yeah

I'm gonna do it

[lilac stag]

and it will take all tier for 5-10 to kill it

[keen dome]

I'm gonna be one of the 5 - 10

6,000 pulls.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-afc-richmond-believe-gif-22969950

[fallow glade]

i'm lobbying the blizz devs right now to make it a lockout when you kill a trashmob

[keen dome]

Noooooooo

Let me have this one!

[lilac stag]

if trash drops boes that’s gonna be interesting

[keen dome]

Is there even trash in the lairboss raid

[fallow glade]

no clue

[astral mountain]

Does anyone have a profile for BCDM that works for rogue?

[torn tide]

i use fuu's one and it looks pretty nice

works great too

[astral mountain]

mind linking it?

[torn tide]

#wow-general message

[austere spear]

is there a way to easily trrack this?

[lilac stag]

Besides the big black bars on your screen? Or are you talking sht stacks?

[warm marlin]

ye track sht stacks and press if you have 5+ when gcd ready

[lilac stag]

The purple bar

or you track the icon stacks in CDM

figure out what works for you kinda thing

[vale pine]

is there combo point support in arc now?

or still missing?

[swift tinsel]

not yet

still has the Coming Soon! for secondary resources, only energy so far

[vale pine]

unlucky

[lilac stag]

Sht as a bar

[buoyant iron]

whats the current state of sub rogue? playing it on beta and it looks fun , lacks a bit st but im having fun

[native hawk]

anyone else using 7 point sht bar on arc and the dividers arent lining up with senseis class resource bar? only dividers 1 and 4 arent aligned :|

[tulip light]

if u are having fun thats all that matters

[buoyant iron]

is it the best spec of rogue so far?

[swift tinsel]

tuning will be ongoing for a while

best to focus on which one you enjoy playing more

[lilac stag]

That’s based on your bar width. You also only need 5

[native hawk]

yeah i was thinking of changing to 5 from seeing your ui as 2 random ones not being aligned was frying me, ty for the help 🤝

[keen dome]

I am going to confidently say that it is almost certain that it is quite likely that it is possible that Subtley Rogue will certainly be within the top three Rogue specs.

[alpine wraith]

yea rogue in general and specially sub rogue will be top 30 spec

[grand wyvern]

bold of you to assume we will be above tanks

[buoyant iron]

really? but assa looks bad and outlaw is just meh..

[torn tide]

doomer mindset is bad

[grand galleon]

is there a reason sub pop CDs before having full CP on opener? I understand that in ST you basically need to so you get to max CP faster but in AoE wouldnt it be better to do SS and then go to CDs + sectech so you get one more global in CDs?

[grand wyvern]

no we are a sandbagging spec now

[keen dome]

Really!

[hollow spear]

I'll never not be surprised how many people don't have any antennas for sarcasm/lack reading comprehension.

[hazy breach]

[plush roost]

I think you misunderstamd the opener

[grand galleon]

yes, that is why I am asking

[plush roost]

Strike fullcp evis vanish strike full cp cds

[hazy breach]

Dont even need the vanish+strike

You can just send immediately

[plush roost]

Ig itll matter more at like 1600 haste

[hazy breach]

Didnt seem to matter either way in sims

[plush roost]

I managed 1500 on beta for shits n giggles and the cadence actually worked out where you would sec tec first gcd of sblades and have ur next dance occur on sec tec cd so u can have 2 superchargerd wowie

[grand galleon]

Am I not looking at correct opener? Why is Evis here before CDs?

[tulip light]

evis gives slice

[plush roost]

For slice n dice

[grand galleon]

so wouldnt SD+SB make sense after SS that is followig evis?

[hazy breach]

Again, you can do it if you want

But its +-0

[plush roost]

I think s3 sub if it remains this way will be pretty fun btw

55% dance uptime at 1500 haste 8)

[grand wyvern]

are we becoming outlaw?

[chrome palm]

yeah outlaw is really good at

rolling bones

grappling hook

[keen dome]

gun

[lilac stag]

Assuming they don’t adjust secondaries at any point in the next 18 months

[lucid jackal]

I think both sub and outlaw seem solid

It depends if it's a timer tier or a raid boss with cleave tier

Maybe outlaw is just turbo umpalayble post Nerf but like. It was solid for a bit

And if it's a raid cleave tier it might be time

[keen dome]

I would love to see an outlaw tier

I think it'd be really cool and also funny.

[chrome palm]

I just don’t see the universe where outlaw with less consistent with less burst and less survivability without the option to play assa will ever be played in raid

Unless sub and assa just cannot do aoe

[warm marlin]

The only possible time outlaw can be better is if you need consistent constant cleave for minutes straight and there is 0 downtime in the fight and 0 burst phases

or its mega overtuned

[vale pine]

we had outlaw tiers, its just nobody wanted to play it

[keen dome]

Hah

[warm marlin]

see: diurna, soul hunters

and then you kneecap every other spec for the entire tier to do so

[chrome palm]

Would it even be better on soul hunters if it was a boss in midnight

[warm marlin]

probably not too much downtime

[chrome palm]

Without precise cuts and with 50 energy bf

[warm marlin]

sub has cds for every time they briefly group

[chrome palm]

Also soul hunters was a 5 heal right

Somewhat easier time living that as sub in midnight

[warm marlin]

yeah 5 heal + you didnt even want melee

like doubt you play outlaw on paladins

[chrome palm]

I forgot we literally do have soul hunters in midnight lol

[grand wyvern]

you don't go outlaw for a single fight in the raid not even having an appropriate weapon

[warm marlin]

yes

also before when it was far and away the hardest rogue spec to master so you would have to practice beforehand to even benefit from it being slightly better in those scenarios

[candid osprey]

combo points is in arcui since the latest release

[warm marlin]

when u could just play dagger specs and do good still. idk its never outlaw

pure cope to think otherwise unlucky

[graceful rock]

no ones crafting a sword early in a tier

[vale pine]

oh very nice

thanks

[lucid jackal]

Denathrius

[ebon trench]

Is sub looking good for raids? Or another assa meta

[lilac stag]

Someone will.
Someone will also craft an Int Dagger.

[keen dome]

Someone will craft an Int sword.

[lilac stag]

assa meta

[grand wyvern]

assa was ahead just in ST last tier, all the important fights were sub

[warm marlin]

back to bed old man

[sullen glen]

Is it possible to have a mouseover-step-kidney macro?

[hazy breach]

Unc is just reminiscing

[vale pine]

yes

[sullen glen]

Cant seem to get one without having to double tap the bind

[vale pine]

thats normal

[sullen glen]

Ah gotcha

[warm marlin]

ahh I remember castle nathria like it was yesterday (half a decade ago)

[alpine wraith]

denathrius was weird because i only played it as sub to kill the add alone with like 1 other person

but i think it was an assa fight mainly for most

ergo after the quad set of buffs

remember the cool SBS buggef interaction but i didnt have necrolord levelled so i didnt try

but seli i think used it

[lilac stag]

SLG would have been a better argument

[lucid jackal]

Don't say that

[warm marlin]

the forever refers to how long you've been around

[alpine wraith]

dont worry we old people remember

[keen dome]

Back in my day

We had legendary daggers

[narrow shadow]

Looking like a lot of spread cleave

[hazy breach]

It will probably be stacked anyway once people figure out the good strats

People always say melee is shit on raid testing, and then people work out strats that dont include tons of downtime for no reason and suddenly melees are fine

[lilac stag]

Back in my day we had thunderfury

[keen dome]

old men, playing rogue

[alpine wraith]

we didnt have thunderfury thp

unless you omegastole it

[narrow shadow]

Tank weapon

[lilac stag]

nah. No one knew what it was for back then

Eventually folks figured out tank weapon

[swift tinsel]

Took me until a week ago to get it

[keen dome]

It was for me. But I wasn't playing at the time.

[alpine wraith]

people around me catched on quite quickly so i didnt get to have it on vanilla

did get it in tbc eventually tho

there had to be at least 1 person with it because the debuff was kinda good after they deleted debuff cap

[vale pine]

It all comes down to the fact that its easier to make ranged do damage than melee

so this will always be true just by design

the additional melee range was a good solution to it, and mitigated some of the symptoms of it

[lucid jackal]

Every raid tier for the past like, 5 years

"melee is dead"

Tier comes out

8 melee

[warm marlin]

i dont think they said that for tww right

[vale pine]

tuning many times also plays a role

[warm marlin]

tww3 i mean

i dont remember it

[vale pine]

i also think this is more true for mythic+

i don't know if you ended up part of the discussion guy

did you run mythic+ on beta?

if so, how do you feel about the forced downtime mechanics blizz likes to use now

[plush roost]

As someone who has done insane amount of m+ on ze beta, there isnt a ton of forced downtime that is more than 1-2 globals

[vale pine]

my opinion on it, was that it has the potential to require smart tanking to allow melee dps to switch targets

[lilac stag]

They did

[vale pine]

so it will be a lot worse in pugs

[vale pine]

^ while good stragies might lead to exactly this

[lilac stag]

It’s literally every beta raid test. melee dead

[warm marlin]

[vale pine]

keep in mind charrend, i played with an entire blind group

none of which had seen the dungeon before

so tanks did not adjust to anything happening, and many encounters ended up played inefficiently

[plush roost]

Ye if ur blind youll be forced onto downtime more thats just true of all content

[vale pine]

its mostly not true for ranged dps

which is the diffrence i tried to point out

[alpine wraith]

happens sometimes a boss can be krangled for some and decent for others

[grand wyvern]

i would dig some bosses krangled for ranged, just for fairness

[plush roost]

Eh if a tank frontals u as ranged ur also downtime

But its not as frequent

[frail kindle]

bro idk ive tried playing as a caster and that was cancer sometimes lmao, i might just be full melee brain tho

[plush roost]

Ranged has downtime kinda with stuff to dodge (unless bm) or suboptimal damage

[frail kindle]

the real op shit is unholy though, like that class you can just run around on your horse like an idiot and nothing can kill you

[grand wyvern]

you optimize different skills, as a ranged you learn to position so you have to move as little as possible

[plush roost]

I think its fairly fair, like a 40/60 ranged to melee downtime ratio imo

[north garnet]

I get anxious and think target will run away from me on ranged xD

need to be on that ass

[vale pine]

This is a longstanding problem in wow

its basically like this

if a boss is bad for ranged, rangeds do slightly less damage, but still compete

if a boss is bad for melee, they are often bad enough that every single one needs to have a very good reason to be invited to the raid

blizz mostly tries to fix this by avoiding bad melee fights all together

its an decade old problem with many fixed, the above is the attempt blizz decided is the most reasonable

[lucid jackal]

Nah I didn't

[lucid jackal]

This isn't exactly true though

[vale pine]

i can think of one exception to this

[lucid jackal]

I mean for the past like, multiple years atp. Ranged is just tuned lower than melee at a baseline, and then you have fights that are bad for ranged, and then it's like, literally why bring anything other than gate and mage buff

Amirdrasil was a double wft tier for a lot of guilds, back when it was wft and not skyfury buff

Melee has been very good for a long time

[grand wyvern]

idk, being in a lower guild is still awful cause when there is a problem you are forced into suboptimal strats to solve it and melee take always the L

[vale pine]

this is in line with my explenation above
reference:

blizz mostly tries to fix this by avoiding bad melee fights all together

[vale pine]

this is absolutely true, then more optimized guilds are, then more efficient the melee spot becomes.

[lucid jackal]

Can u give an example?

[grand wyvern]

i was forced to hard swap on the add on loomithar cause ranged didn't have enough damage

[lucid jackal]

Is that really that bad for sub? You just like, lose the boss damage, but anybody swapping is losing boss damage in this instance

[grand wyvern]

it made very akward cd timings

[warm marlin]

ok but ranged has infinite niches to also be brought.
you have to bring warlocks sometimes for gate. you have to bring mages because they're mages (see: gally/mugzee). you have to bring evokers for rescue/time spiral, you have to bring spriest/boomie/aff/destro for spread cleave, you bring ele to dimensius for chain lightning cheese. you bring melee because they're tuned high

or for stacked burst cleave reasons (see: ovinax, ansurek)

[vale pine]

we had tiers melee was not tuned higher than ranged

so would not generalize it to "always better"

tho thats just a little detail in the discussion

[soft ferry]

is sub fun to play atm?

[grand wyvern]

is this really a thing? how many melee are better than the topo 5-6 ranged right now other than unholy dk?

[vale pine]

thats my point

[graceful crown]

3 less buttons but we have dance more often so we have more """"fun"""" windows

[vale pine]

ranged dps ended up stronger in multiple tiers

its not as clear cut as made in the statement

ForeverGuy: I mean for the past like, multiple years atp. Ranged is just tuned lower than melee at a baseline, and then you have fights that are bad for ranged, and then it's like, literally why bring anything other than gate and mage buff

this is the statement for reference

[graceful crown]

survival is strong i think?

[vagrant fulcrum]

It has a big hurdle to overcome to see play over the ranged specs

[lucid jackal]

I'd agree with this. But this isn't an issue to me but I could see how you'd think it would be

[vagrant fulcrum]

For sarkareth as an example it was the best tuned spec if you played it, azor did (and did great damage) but most didn’t bother

[warm marlin]

It doesn't bother me particularly in raid because I play rogue, but I'm sure other melee aren't happy when you just play tank/healer versions to stack whatever ranged is benefitting from the particular niche atm

also i forgot but dk also applies there as a cringe niche class

[vale pine]

i think the enviroment plays a central role to efficiency

[warm marlin]

niches are theoretically interesting but as dks have discovered it's fun to be played 3x of because you're benefitting from your niche, it sucks to be reliant on your niche to be brought

[vale pine]

blizz sucessively removes niches tho

e.g. rogue was for a certain time brought to handle soaks and cheese other mechanics

[magic cliff]

[grand wyvern]

the only purpose of a rogue in tbc is to click magtheridon cube twice KEK

[vale pine]

it was why blizz moved our physical damage increase raid buff to monk, which did not offer similar benefits

[warm marlin]

tell me you'd rather have a raid buff than grip

[vale pine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU

[magic cliff]

I think our unlikable nature with grips makes up for it to a point

But I do agree with the general sentiment

[grand wyvern]

rogue is pretty unkillable with feint CD, thankfully DK takes all the blame for being immortal

[vale pine]

rogue is easier to kill than dk

thats why

[alpine wraith]

they have found our weakness more than once is constant non aoe dmg

[lucid jackal]

DK is actually just so beyond overtuned

[alpine wraith]

like heavy dots

[lucid jackal]

Like actually so broken it's not even funny

[vale pine]

^

[lucid jackal]

Grip is broken

Deaths advance is broken

Ams is broken

The class has so much survivability and utility it's beyond stupid

[vale pine]

having an extreme outliner, does not mean rogue isn't rly good at something

[bleak night]

death charger as rider

op

[lucid jackal]

It needed to get nerfed yesterday

[bleak night]

i zoom

[warm marlin]

You could give them 0 passive magic dr make ams a 30s cd and it would still be strong

[alpine wraith]

remember they also get 15% stam or something

for free

[warm marlin]

instead they just have 75% of feint up at all times and stam and have 40s ams

[magic cliff]

Pls leave my passive Dr alone ty

[lucid jackal]

Dk is overtuned beyond fuck

And has been for a long time

[magic cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-simpsons-bush-bushes-hermit-gif-5786484

[lucid jackal]

Had to listen to moron dk players talk about "we need a raid buff"

I drop 3 bombs on Ur head

[warm marlin]

wait let me find the clip

[plush roost]

I think they should give dk atrophic poison and feint

[lucid jackal]

Literally

[plush roost]

Rogue a little too useful rn

[hazy breach]

Give DK atrophic poison

Give rogue a dps raid buff

[tropic pier]

ahem but it bas no raid buff!!??

[magic cliff]

Id take it

[grand wyvern]

make find weakness raidwide

[plush roost]

Remember when blizzard made a big dev note on dk in s3 tww about raid buffs and put unholy aura right under it as 2% haste.

Then didnt specify it was just for the dk

Good troll

[tropic pier]

i feel dk always does good damage the last 2 expacs as well

[magic cliff]

Depends on content

[tropic pier]

if they arent the top spec which they were for a lot of tiers they are like top 4

and just domianted m+

[magic cliff]

Undermine wasn't stellar but still solid

[plush roost]

Ehh dk in df m+ was beans, was good in raid during lust

[magic cliff]

Nerubar the same, manaforge frost blasted

[plush roost]

Nothing like my uhdk with pi lust army doubling the entire raid for 45 seconds

[lucid jackal]

Like go fuck yourself

LMFAOOOOOO

[tropic pier]

The only reason dk wasnt op in m+ in dragonflight was aug mage godcomps

[plush roost]

Insane cope

[grand wyvern]

i played nether portal warlock in df, god bless that burst

[lucid jackal]

Wasn't it shit fuck busted in nerubar?

Like u stacked dk fury

[tropic pier]

Im pretty sure it was a top 20% raid spec in every single tier

[warm marlin]

yes

[lucid jackal]

That solved webs. Broodtwister

[tropic pier]

And frequently #1

just in terms of dmg

[magic cliff]

I think frost was very good early but fell off

[warm marlin]

they played 2x fdk on ansurek

[magic cliff]

Lemme look again

[plush roost]

Fdk in nerubar was jesus

[warm marlin]

and court

[plush roost]

Surprised they only did 2x people predicted 4x didnt they?

[magic cliff]

Just based on wcl stats it's average dropped over time

[plush roost]

Thats probably because the stuff it was brought for got trivialized

[magic cliff]

Indeed

[plush roost]

Same with fury and sub

[magic cliff]

Very good early fell off, but certainly strong for the start of the tier

[plush roost]

Well it fell off like 4 months in but ye ig

[magic cliff]

Whenever 11.0.5 was

The great shamaning

[lilac stag]

It really didn’t. The burn was the important part and you could just hold. dead boss on prog > parses

You could also step behind them and blow them the fuck up

[alpine wraith]

yea i explained how to do the step inbetween the 2

to get max dmg

[lilac stag]

sorry you didn’t like being useful

[alpine wraith]

if you moved a bit to the side after stepping the first you hit the 2 with nimble

and sec tech

[lilac stag]

it’s mind boggling to me that people don’t like using the specs strengths to take care of important parts of the fight.

parse on the rekill and tell your shaman to actually target a damn add

[alpine wraith]

well not everyone has a prog mindset instead of parse mindset

arguably even in midnight we will be quite useful on bursting the adds that sapwn

20 sec dance is crazy to just snipe anything that comes regularly

that way other specs dont have to save cds

[lilac stag]

Better off saying 25 second Sectech

[grand wyvern]

that's what i did but ideally you pop CDs the second time right before add, if i have to swap it is aweful, if i pop on add it insta dies and i am left with dick in my hand, after add there isn't enough time cause big aoe, so i end up holding for very long

[lilac stag]

It wasn’t awful

That’s just cope

[lethal pasture]

random question cause I think my char is bugged - has anyone else got the issue where it will only let me put 8 points in the last 3 rows of the class tree, other builds ive seen have 11 and when i try to import them it just leaves the last 3 rows empty and says i have to spend 3 more points to access them

[lilac stag]

you had to play with cd timings

You can say you don’t enjoy that

and I’d say just play assa then

Bad fight timings for sub? That was demon hunters

[grand wyvern]

i dunno, i am dumb i couldn't solve it, i just followed my raid leader and took the L

then again we were talking about suboptimal strats in lower guilds, you can't expect melees to be just better to compensate

[lilac stag]

Idk what you consider lower. We were us 525 and I was swapping to adds on lumi

Kill important shit. Pull dos off add and put to boss when you’re over killing adds.

[grand wyvern]

just a question, how early/late were you swapping?

[lilac stag]

Hell if I remember. That was what 5 months ago? 2nd add was active and I went. So did DH.

[grand wyvern]

Ok, I don't doubt that me just bad, but i was forced to swap on both adds and as soon as possible, the walk alone if I popped was dogshit. That said the whole point i was trying to make is that often bad strats hurt melee more than ranged

[lilac stag]

Rik Reverb the two of us were killing the range add(s)

Looks amazing on wcl

Don’t care. Boss dead.

[chrome palm]

Haven’t played beta much, logged on yesterday, but at 680 haste without lust, you don’t get 2 dances in blades right after the first, right? @plush roost

Or am I missing something

[lilac stag]

You need last

[chrome palm]

Actual poverty spec omg

[lilac stag]

Well you need lust for 2x Sectech

You can chain 2 dances

I think you hold blades for 10 seconds or so

[chrome palm]

You’re holding blades for secret technique maybe

[lilac stag]

or cut one dance out

Ahead of blades

[chrome palm]

That might be it I haven’t paid attention recently

[lilac stag]

at least in ST that last time I messed with it. Not sending one dance ahead of blades felt better

idk what the apl was suggesting.

That 3rd dance with Sectech was up right after like on pull

[plush roost]

You have 2 choices, delay 2nd dance till 6 seconds left on sblades, and squeeze your sec tec in at 19 seconds with dance or send it natty without dance. This syncs up your dances till next cd since ur sitting on dance for 19 seconds

The first option breaks the simulation apparently so its just vibes based but im pretty sure thats optimal

And yes sblades is effectively a 1:40-1:45 cd

Your priority of cds is literally sec tec > dance > sblades.

Sectec is just that powerful

Note that 680 haste wants u to start dance with full cp

As well

In lust sec tec becomes 14ish seconds so u can just send 2nd dance when it comes up with no issue

[grand wyvern]

does the first dance change anything or you just don't play it on beta?

[plush roost]

No it just allows u 3 more globals in dance at start which is nice for keys

But in raid it falls off at 2:30ish kill timer

And even worse without lust on pull

Ive tried dropping it for weaponmaster and its fine if there is absolutely no combat drops

Like in a nexus point or skyreach

[alpine wraith]

you can still force some first dances with vanish

but it is annoying to do

on m+ i mean on raid it never works

[plush roost]

Yeah but theres actually so much stuff to vanish this tier its basically never worth it

[alpine wraith]

ya

oh man it is going to a funny season

[astral axle]

hmmm

not quite happy with it but oh well

[warm marlin]

god this is cursed

[astral axle]

i shouldve made the teeth a little brighter and the smile wider i think

[plush roost]

Idk i kinda like it

Lowkey cursed

Wouldnt notice from a glance kinda shee

[short radish]

we need it here

[alpine wraith]

make 1 tooth gold

for extra aura

[wanton bronze]

given the wording in the AoE rotation guide on Wowhead, is it safe to assume that i'm still pressing BP on 2+ targets and only using Eviscerate on single-target?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[wanton bronze]

thanks

[pearl swan]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry heart]

Does anyone have a screen shot of an old sub opener? Trying to show the extent of pruning to a friend and can’t find an old opener anywhere

[chrome palm]

does this help

[hushed dome]

Does anyone have recommended keybinds? I'm new to Rogue and the little cheatsheet I've been using is not updated for pre-patch/pruning (and probably won't be updated)

[short radish]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FfM4ClWXUl2pENCGl4/giphy.gif

[shrewd lantern]

bro do you know how hard it is to count to 4?

Most boomies can't do it.

[short radish]

https://youtu.be/u8ccGjar4Es?si=vVbJY1sKJHjiiStp

[tribal blade]

i'm just a poor boomy in keys with rank 1 dmg and solar beam and typhoon and ursol's and the best raid buff in the game and roar and soothe and bres

[short radish]

i cant hold all of this utility.jpg

[tribal blade]

i still remember pushing S2 TWW

not having a boomy in your key made it omega cringe

[short radish]

fuck druids.

[tribal blade]

i just can't stand boomys

[shrewd lantern]

Me looking at

painsmith death metrics

was always comedy

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

boomies going into ravenous frenzy+incarn and forgetting all mechanics exist

[short radish]

IM RAMPING

[tribal blade]

that must have been the king of all ramp in the game

[shrewd lantern]

Well boomies briefly got the mage experience

from that

well bfa s4 fire

[chrome palm]

dont they get poison dispel

[tribal blade]

oh shit you're right

add it to the pile

i remember now you needed poison dispels on the worm boss in NL

[chrome palm]

rogue experience in s3 was quite bad in ara because of poison dispell

[tribal blade]

yah ara was another big one

[chrome palm]

if you tried playing with like a rsham or something in the regular comp

[tribal blade]

getting a prot pal for ara was always amazing

i think they had the best overall kit for that dungeon

[chrome palm]

yeah

just another raid buff you dont get

[tribal blade]

sad

oh they bring better atrophic though smile

[chrome palm]

i havent looked at dungeons is it better in m+? atrophic seems better on average in raid

[tribal blade]

honestly not sure

i think it's encounter dependent

[shrewd lantern]

They bring a raid buff

spellward for the priest in your raid that refuses to move

[tribal blade]

spell warding is actually so insanely good for some things

[exotic steeple]

boomie felt so good in s2 and s3

[tribal blade]

was boomy any good in S3? no idea

[exotic steeple]

not bad for sure

[tribal blade]

rdruid was meta that season

[exotic steeple]

but i meant the playstyle

[tribal blade]

so kinda leaves the door shut for boomy

ah gotcha

[exotic steeple]

i dont like the eclipse changes and the cancelaura on starlord gone

and overall like the class just felt good with 24/7 eclipse

thats why im going assa sub this season

[tribal blade]

did shindig say he prefers DS sub over trickster

notlikethis

[short radish]

cant trust any of his takes

public enemy #1 now

[tribal blade]

that just bums me out

[tepid trellis]

its okay to have a different opinion even if said opinion is just straight up wrong

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[graceful rock]

fwiw he only likes it because you have to hit evis in aoe

and its not just storm bp/coup macro rinse repeat

give us mara malevolence

that shit owns

[tribal blade]

except for the fact that we'll most likely not play with the coup+BP macro

since they fixed coup apex bug

i dunno it will always feel absolutely dogshit playing DS in aoe needing to constantly hit evis that does no aoe

[tepid trellis]

well on AoE you are likely not holding coups

[tribal blade]

and then cancelauraing DN apex

[tribal blade]

ah ok neat

[tepid trellis]

you also cant cancel aura DN for apex

[tribal blade]

sorry mb meant cancel aura apex

on DN

[tepid trellis]

didn't they make the apex un cancelable as well or am i thinking of another class now

[tribal blade]

honestly not sure but there was some talk of cancel auraing apex on DN proc a few days ago

[tribal blade]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[astral axle]

[alpine wraith]

you can still cancel apex yea but it is not cancelled much now

only for DN evis ina oe

[plush roost]

Its missing the delayed refund accidental builder combo but w.e have your "good opener"

[plush roost]

Only time youd hold is if you have premed bug so you go bp -> builder -> apex coup with the bugfix

Anytime i hold i regret it ngl

Unless like an amp is incoming ig

[chrome palm]

my blades macro found its way to my sprint hotkey (?) which made platform 2 fun last week

[tribal blade]

do you still think the coup+bp macro is bait?

wondering if i should just use it and brain off

[tribal blade]

oh NO

[keen dome]

Haha, oh no

[fossil forge]

ts peak

[chrome palm]

it will be peak again in like 4 years dw

[alpine wraith]

we have to show someone what we did before pulls in sl

kekw

[vale pine]

legion

had a lot of cursed pre pull stuff

[alpine wraith]

wod had also snd snapshot

my beloved

180% as

[vale pine]

well you had stuff like

tier set switches

could abuse legendaries

and on top of that the stealth/dance shananigans

but we have those even now

[graceful crown]

Wow there is tons of bugs still

[alpine wraith]

im actually surprised they fixed so much

like almost all apex bugs are fixed

and the new hero talent takent krangles

[red pewter]

For every bug they fix they plan an aura nerf to keep us down. It’s good stuff

[alpine wraith]

well sub was going to be quite strong if not nerfed what i find funny is they kinda knew

in midnight of course

live we are dog

[hollow spear]

I don't think other classes look much better in the bug department

They might not be as meticulous as our group when keeping track of them

And I'm going to hold my breath about balance. It's all a waste of time to really get mad about if we're like 3-4 balancing moves away from final.

[vale pine]

every spec and class has A LOT of bugs

[reef walrus]

wasn't this mists with the rune of reorigination?

[alpine wraith]

it wasnt that powerful in mists

and well neither in wod but it was nice for getting some extra dmg anyway

[tribal blade]

trust we've had a LOT of bug fixes

like probably years worth of bugfixes if we were in previous expacs

[tribal blade]

haha yeah it created the thing in here every day you'd get a new person coming saying sub is doomed because of prepatch

can't even blame them honestly because imagine playing your spec and just doing 0 dam right before a major content drop

[lilac stag]

We have all of our talents (working) and significant bug fixes before the expansion launches. We’re in fucking uncharted waters right now when it comes to week 1 of a new expansion.

[tribal blade]

yeah it's kinda crazy

plus the last tuning we didn't get gutted

[lilac stag]

people really don’t understand that (even though it’s a low bar to aim for)

[tribal blade]

for sub it's massive

[haughty mural]

imagine how arms feels on prepatch 😄

[tribal blade]

if you compare to say TWW beta cycle

[tribal blade]

yeah poor guys

the arms warr in my guild linked me this today

[lilac stag]

TWW beta cycle, DF beta cycle, SL beta cycle…

[tribal blade]

arms channel is full memes atm

[haughty mural]

ye pretty much

[tribal blade]

yeah was all pretty bad

[lilac stag]

arms figuring out they are the meme after 3 expansions

[haughty mural]

not even execute niche

since fury sims 20k more in 3min execute

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

how does that even make sense

[haughty mural]

i think they will just revert the 20% execute nerf and slap a fat aura on arms

[tribal blade]

doesn't arms have like triple the amount of execute talents over fury

[lilac stag]

They’re likely close in how Blizzard intended them to play

[tribal blade]

damn

[lilac stag]

I’d be curious to see what their OBA sims are when compared to fury

but it could just be a hate boner for arms. They got a number of weird changes, but it looked like they were at least responsive to feedback

Then got nuked

[haughty mural]

still a lot of tuning to be done

arms will be fine

[lilac stag]

You mean fury

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

yeah i think arms will end up being fine

"fine" in relative terms

probably not stellar

[lilac stag]

Based on the war within history? Or what?

[tribal blade]

but yeah there's the thing

after what blizz has done to specs like us

[haughty mural]

played sub when we were below aug

[tribal blade]

there IS a chance that blizz just completely screws arms

[haughty mural]

so it'll be fine

[lilac stag]

If prot and fury are solid arms likely getting the black powder tuning

I’d be happy to be wrong

[haughty mural]

I'd also be happy

[upbeat garden]

Was watching a stream doing a tier list ,I liked the comments :))

[short radish]

don't worry im sure we can catch another week -1 nerf

[haughty mural]

would never happen to this spec

[lilac stag]

We’ll just mercilessly blame Charrend

[alpine wraith]

man is rending too much

[lilac stag]

but I’m also in my give no fucks era. No one gonna play rogue again, so atrophic bish it is.

[short radish]

rip scatch warrior dreams

[upbeat garden]

LUL

[lilac stag]

warrior is always a rollercoaster with intentions of the spec and gameplay

[red pewter]

Watching petko rank stuff is like watching a janitor explain brain surgery. Dude ranked assa as the hardest melee spec in the game

[upbeat garden]

hahahaha

[lilac stag]

3 rogue specs all stay relatively true to their base

[red pewter]

He also lowballed assa on his final m+ tier list because “it’s hard to play”. Dude really doesn’t do much to elevate Icy Veins

[steel zinc]

What % damage increase were the recent Bugfixes @vale pine ?

[vale pine]

think its not in simc yet

[lilac stag]

Yet you still watch and give him view

[chrome palm]

if it wasnt for arcui i would jump into the bath with a toaster

[lilac stag]

kekw filtered

[red pewter]

Because I said doo doo

[lilac stag]

shit won’t get you filtered.

[red pewter]

The fuck soft ass shit is this

[lilac stag]

nor can you bot evade

[red pewter]

Well

I kind of just did

[lilac stag]

Suggest you delete it

[red pewter]

So

You’re wrong

[scarlet heath]

restarted

[red pewter]

Ayyyyy it didn’t get filtered

Subtlety rogue disc is a safe space confirmed

[wheat edge]

evading the filter is surely smart

[tropic pier]

🍿

[short radish]

yeah im sure the mods put those word filters there as a test

[tropic pier]

Mods get him

[short radish]

to see who could outsmart it

[red pewter]

Shit fuck motherfucker shitty shit shit shit

[teal coral]

true, you can't

[tropic pier]

🔨 inc

[short radish]

[tropic pier]

🍿

[teal coral]

!mute @red pewter 2d filter evasion

[short radish]

i heard you can get around mutes/bans by creating a new account

[fleet wharf]

can you even do IP bans through discord?

[short radish]

dont think so

[scarlet heath]

yes you can

[short radish]

orly?

[scarlet heath]

it is pointless tho

for the most part

[tropic pier]

i dont think discord supports ip bans and ips change anyway

[scarlet heath]

it is trivial to get around IP ban

[tropic pier]

so its not very effective

[short radish]

i know/heard of a few people who just get perma harassed

ah fair

[fleet wharf]

hardware ID ban bam

[lilac stag]

fbi needs their watchlist people active

[tropic pier]

hardware changes also and you can spoof mac addresses

[scarlet heath]

there are bots that can help with alt accounts

but it is losing fight

[fleet wharf]

yea, but then you have to go buy new hardware

[scarlet heath]

if someone wants you gonna get harassed

[fleet wharf]

in this economy? that's a death sentence

[tropic pier]

not really just present a new mac address

[scarlet heath]

HW ban is also very easy to get around btw

[vale pine]

if you get banned, its an ip ban too yes

[tropic pier]

You can set your phones or pcs mac address to whatever you want

which is the hardware ID

[scarlet heath]

"safest" way if you wanna keep people away is enforce phone authentication

but this will piss off many people

[fleet wharf]

yea, but would you buy new cpu, mobo, harddrive/ssd to try to get around a hardware ban?

[scarlet heath]

and you guessed it, even phone auth can be spoofed

[tropic pier]

i think this server does have a phone verification

[tropic pier]

facial id scans next

[lilac stag]

Discord class server tags are like red hats in America. Rets and DKs living up to the stereotypes.

[fleet wharf]

it's already here anyway

[tropic pier]

no you just change your computers mac address

[tropic pier]

i love when you talk to one of these red hat americans about the game and they seem fine or friendly but if you say one thing about politics they say the most unhinged shit

its like they transform into a different person

crazy

[fleet wharf]

cults be weird yo

[lilac stag]

The brainwashing will continue until the Dow reaches 60,000

[lilac stag]

Want to track coup that badly or?

[vale pine]

lets not dive too deep into discussions around ban evasion/etc

i can understand why

the 1.2 sec gcd

[lilac stag]

sure but you can track the buff vs showing the evis with stacks. Just a curiosity thing. I enjoy seeing the different approaches and how folks like to visualize things

Toaster level seemed a like extreme.

[chrome palm]

now i can have the buff and the icon change

like how it used to be

[lilac stag]

yeah arc gets close to a lot of the old WAs

just have to do a little digging

[keen dome]

Can't believe we're so close to midnight

[short radish]

yeah not that far off

[vale pine]

next week

[fleet wharf]

man seeing dd/mm/yyyy is more sensible, but it still fucks with me because I'm used to the american way of leading with the month

[chrome palm]

we won the hockey game, month goes first

[vale pine]

thats how it looks for me

[chrome palm]

ok but

it being the 23rd, has no context by itself

it being february has a context by itself

you know what i mean?

[short radish]

no

i do not

please elaborate

[fleet wharf]

not really, but we can pretend it does

[chrome palm]

every feburary is about the same

[short radish]

and continue defending your silly ordering system

[chrome palm]

the 23rd of each month is totally different

also

do you guys say "the 23rd of february" because here it is common to say "february the 23rd"

[fleet wharf]

is this along the same line as how the first digit of Fahrenheit system is useful because each 10 increment means something so we have to learn that water freezes at... 32 and boils at 245 or some arbitrary number and not 0 and 100?

[short radish]

depends which month i'm in tbh

[scarlet heath]

just wait till you hear about the same guys using feet and inches instead of metric system like the rest of the world

[chrome palm]

0 = too fucking cold, 100 = too fucking hot

[scarlet heath]

[chrome palm]

simple as

[lilac stag]

Watching Canadians make post s stating it’s a game of inches (with the hockey loss and the blue jays loss) had me very confused. If your teams used freedom units maybe they would have won.

[short radish]

if i'm in the current month i'll say the day first

but if it's more than a month after i'll say the month first

because i generally know what month i'm in

[chrome palm]

do you guys

[short radish]

i dont need to be told the current month

[lilac stag]

You’re from the future and you don’t try to save us.

[fleet wharf]

but what if I am a recovering amnesiac?

[chrome palm]

set your thermostats to decimal values

[fleet wharf]

i think mine supports .5 increments

[chrome palm]

because sometimes for me 67 is too cold but 68 is just right

[short radish]

mine is whole number only

[lilac stag]

They don’t have air or heat.

[short radish]

woooo 6 7

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-sleepy-gif-9558558281283765110

[short radish]

also i always set mine to the lowest possible (16)

[fleet wharf]

yea, but you're in summer now in upside down world, i live in the winter where 16 would be awful to exist in

[short radish]

oh thats 60.8 farenheit

[short radish]

i dont turn on heater in winter usually

[fleet wharf]

must be nice

[short radish]

i just put on another layer of clothing

no im just cheap

our winters even though they arent cold

[lilac stag]

You don’t really have winter

[short radish]

because australian builders don't know what insulation is

it's fucking freezing inside

[fleet wharf]

I mean I also didn't turn on heater during the winter when I lived in cali either

so fucking true

[short radish]

no joke you have canadians coming here and complaining it's cold

[keen dome]

lmao

[fleet wharf]

houses with no insulations are the worst

[lilac stag]

insulation seems like such an easy win. Guess the mud huts aren’t engineered for it.

[chrome palm]

the australian slander is crazy

[keen dome]

I'm excited for Wednesday, the final vault of the season

[short radish]

https://www.tiktok.com/@alexandratuohey/video/7505324316930624775

[fleet wharf]

imagine checking vault after prepatch

actually, I checked too for transmogs

[short radish]

all ou r new houses are basically just sheets of plywood

[keen dome]

Mostly transmog yeah

But I did comedy on the weekend and have a Mythic vault from Dimensius + King

[chrome palm]

wrong

[lilac stag]

Give en like 2 years to acclimate and they’ll be in full winter coats

[chrome palm]

its mostly osb

which is worse than plywood

[short radish]

[keen dome]

So maybe I get boots for a day

[polar wharf]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[fleet wharf]

what I am excited for is actually having things to do

I feel I haven't like really played wow in months now

[keen dome]

What about the cat cafe

[fleet wharf]

I like watching other ppl make cool things in housing, I don't really care to collect/decorate myself

[keen dome]

Oh, no, no.

[lilac stag]

Someone’s made a working treadmill, I was impressed

[keen dome]

There's a cat cafe in Silvermoon

[fleet wharf]

oh, I had no idea, that's cool i guess

[haughty mural]

But you guys don’t have cold winters so it’s okay I guess

[brisk onyx]

does apex clone benefit from finality?

[onyx flame]

You just need a good heatpump

[short radish]

it's okay outside

its not okay inside

[haughty mural]

Here the walls only get thicker

On new houses

As do the windows

[short radish]

lucky

[tribal blade]

every single time /cry

[short radish]

unluggy

[alpine wraith]

they knew there were sub rogues in HK

[tribal blade]

i cast vanish but got insta broke out

damn

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile we’re self-deactivating in the states.

[tribal blade]

haha yeah i actually am completely fine not being on tiktok

i watch youtube shorts which i hear is kind of the same thing

and i watch too many shorts and i can feel my IQ dropping in a wet puddle under my chair

[torn tide]

tiktok is worse i think

ur brain just seeps out ur ear

[tribal blade]

probably yeah from what i hear

[fallow ingot]

Guys do we have a dominant race numbers wise for rogue in general ?

[tribal blade]

i just realized i can use tiktok most likely if i use a VPN but can't be assed

[tribal blade]

the difference is usually negligible enough where you can play what you want

i think mecha-gnome is bis atm

not 100% sure

[sudden quarry]

Pretty sure human double hearthstone is bis 😂

[fallow ingot]

Oh no

[tribal blade]

yeah human is def good, but early in S1 maybe not because it scales off stat amounts

[fallow ingot]

My rogue is still a blood elf when arcane torrent was broken

[brave raptor]

It would have to be at least a 50% dps increase for me to ever roll to that

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm nelf atm and am totally fine with it

at least haste on sub isn't useless anymore wooo

pretty sure the haste from nelf doesn't affect dance duration though which kinda sucks, but it does increase snd which is good for sht gen

[fallow ingot]

I like the orc design and racial is fine in burst macro

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing orc racial is less good than before because we have less burst in cds now

but probably still just fine

[fallow ingot]

Will wait for sims and see if the change is worth it or not

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[north schooner]

mechagnome is -5% dps because you look ridiculous

[fallow glade]

i will wait for sims and go haranir because looksmaxxing is bis

[tribal blade]

this

[vestal escarp]

You gotta cure your algorithm

[tribal blade]

TRUE i started watching a lot of click bait stuff

and then it's so addictive that it's really hard to fix it

[haughty mural]

Usually not

[keen dome]

Don't worry, I've got enough IQ for everyone. It's in the upper double digits, you know.

[sly shore]

!iq

[vale pine]

wrong channel ^^

[vale pine]

mechagnome is many times the go-to choice early on

but becomes worse over time

[keen dome]

I think that's very funny

and makes the whole race choice thing incredible

[vale pine]

race is actually a unbalanced mess

[keen dome]

They should delete them and let you pick from a tree

but it's funy it's mechagnoem

[vale pine]

its the one area people say a 1.5% dps loss is perfectly fine

when the same people would argue

[sly shore]

going gnome on queen ansurek was a dps increase smile

[vale pine]

that a spec is unplayable because it misses this 0.4% stronger trinket

[keen dome]

Arguably (by me) the best race for Sub is void elf because it's more Purple

[north schooner]

well a trinket doesn't make you look like a clown

[keen dome]

Unless it's a clown trinket

Which, you know. Season 1 TWW.

[north schooner]

clown dungeon when?

[keen dome]

jump 3 times

[north schooner]

Not a problem if you keep jumping 24/7

[keen dome]

collect the orb

(the orb is over a pit)

[north schooner]

They should make jump give you a guaranteed auto attack crit

[keen dome]

We'd be too strong

[north schooner]

make them timed then. You get a rhythm bar with a multiplier

[tribal blade]

holy moly double digits is crazy

[keen dome]

Right?

I'm quite smartest

[tribal blade]

i did an online IQ quiz one time (i know, not accurate) and got ~102

[plush roost]

Damn blizzards gonna nerf u

Only mages sim above 100

[tribal blade]

I'M AVERAGE

please don't nerf blizz, i can't afford to lose more

[plush roost]

8% iq nerf inc

[tribal blade]

i'd have to become an LFR hero then

i always suspected i was average IQ though

[maiden oar]

my iq so high i am the smartest guy to ever touch the videogame

[tribal blade]

my prediction is a lot of you guys are actually like 110+ IQ

[keen dome]

I mean IQ is pretty nonsense as a metric anyway.

[tribal blade]

yeah it's weird

[tribal blade]

it's not the only measure of a person

[sly shore]

conclusive

[tribal blade]

damn that's a CRAZY IQ

[keen dome]

I mean it's just, fundamentally, bad and not being used right. It doesn't really show anything except the capacity someone has for a singular specifc test

[sly shore]

No it's Very superior

[tribal blade]

oh mb

[tribal blade]

very true

[keen dome]

The science it's built on was designed to help french children in the late 19th century. It was built to find their weaknesses and strengths so that they could be better supported in education

Then the creator died and his co-author took the work and did the one thing he said you should never do: the brutal number, reduce it to a single thing.

[tribal blade]

my favorite story about that was my ex comes from a family of very high IQ people, she's very smart and has several certified geniuses in her family

and then apprently they have some org where they meet up

[void ocean]

u also havemultiple scales

[tribal blade]

some genius organization

[void ocean]

the kids one is Bine-Simon iirc

also Mensa uses kattels and wexlers

[tribal blade]

and then she said her family member told her you would be shocked at how completely boring all the people at those meetings are

[keen dome]

lol MENSA

[tribal blade]

YES MENSA

[maiden oar]

yea im in it

[keen dome]

MENSA is the funniest thing

[void ocean]

same

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

[maiden oar]

no im joking

[tribal blade]

so many geniuses in here

carry me to victory

[maiden oar]

i am just a regular guy

[plush roost]

Well you need a very high iq to u understand rick and morty... 🤓