subtlety

[plush roost]

And the delve maps give me shit instead of sus energy drink

Im rdy

[azure thicket]

m0 week is gonna be extremely okay

[graceful osprey]

Another expansion of leveling engineering coping that it’ll be useful

[warm marlin]

i used all my drop luck in tww1 so im still paying it off

[fathom adder]

trust

[plush roost]

I used all my luck in tww2 xddd

Payed in 3

[chrome palm]

my 8 weeks of farming kyveza before i got transmitter

never have i had worse luck than tww s1

[plush roost]

Tww 2 my vault went HoC (heroic) weapon Pacemaker

Ggez

[warm marlin]

I rolled this thing (like 1/106) out of one of the random siren isle weekly chests for my key push shaman

thing outsimmed mythic trinkets

[plush roost]

Bro that thing was insane

[warm marlin]

it was actually so broken

the fact that the duration thing didn't reset pre key either

so you have the crit bonus for all of first pull

[plush roost]

XD

[warm marlin]

48 seconds of 3k crit (skardyn's was like 7k mastery)

[plush roost]

How much was 3k in s2? Like 10% crit?

Idr numbers anymore

Or wait

S1***

[warm marlin]

it was just a second on use that you could pool

on a mega burst spec

[plush roost]

Insaneo

[warm marlin]

one of my fav trinkets oat

[plush roost]

Btw i have some cringe technology

The feather trinket

When u swap it stats

Resets to 6p

60

Could be good on assa before a boss since its basically 60 stacks every cd (1min cycle)

Or if ur at 20 stacks and sblades up

Tho crit is worse than mast for sub

[warm marlin]

it's a 5min cd to swap right

[plush roost]

Yeah so itd be before a boss and then 1 pack on a setting

I can see it being really good on outlaw too

Since u could aoe mastery

Go crit on boss and stick it for awhile

[warm marlin]

how do I tell my raid that I need a 5min pull timer

to make sure i always start with the right stat

[plush roost]

It doesnt work in combat unfort

Or it would be REALLY cringe

[warm marlin]

ah

[hazy breach]

Yeah the nelth class trinket for some classes in aberrus was the exact same

It was insane

Double on-use at the same time

[warm marlin]

yeah i remember demo going brazy with that

[hazy breach]

Very stronk

[magic cliff]

all in prep for no item tracking

[hazy breach]

Or well, not the exact same as you needed to stack it up like prism

[magic cliff]

who needs to see it on your UI when its passive on CD

[hazy breach]

But besides first pull

[warm marlin]

for enh specifically it also triggered on dogs which you cast multiple times in cds

so you fully covered even with only 8s timer

[vestal escarp]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ratto-nazrin-rat-flat-flat-rat-gif-21649436

[wanton oasis]

Prepatch is prepatch, but it sounds like today’s tuning is targeted at current damage profiles. That said, why do they feel they need to nerf sub even more? I’m convinced they don’t even look at logs.

[azure thicket]

clones

lots of clones

all of this

[hazy breach]

Practically every spec got nerfed, most of them A LOT harder than sub

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-begun-the-clone-war-has-gif-21159557

[torn tide]

it will be peak

[tulip light]

cant wait for my clone army

[torn tide]

cant wait for the visuals

[swift tinsel]

will be visible any day now

[fast dome]

naruto clones?

[keen dome]

no, they're cooler

[tulip light]

i have no clue about naruto 😬

[alpine wraith]

dont worry you dont miss much

[swift tinsel]

pre-Shippuden is pretty meh outside of maybe four scenes total

[vale pine]

fun fact, the author actually wanted to kill off one of the edgy characters,
but was not allowed because of his popularity. Would have been a very diffrent story without sasuke ^^

[swift tinsel]

idk if this is a hot take or not but I don't really find Sasuke all that great of a character

certainly one of the least interesting Uchiha

[azure thicket]

for me personally i guess it's kuwabara

but also taguro

[frail kindle]

idk i kind of agree with that, sasuke actually is kinda boring no? like hes just super edgy outside of that not much substance i feel like

[swift tinsel]

yeah like his entire existence is in relation to naruto or itachi

and his own person is relatively shallow yeah

and his rivalry with naruto doesn't hold a candle to that between kakashi v obito

or guy v kakashi

[sour horizon]

We lost Neji for Sasuke 😮‍💨

[swift tinsel]

omg don't get me started

Neji got done SO dirty

homeboy was one of the sickest

[sour horizon]

❤️ Neji

Was such a waste

[keen dome]

Al I know about Naruto is he named his son Bort

[swift tinsel]

I gave up on Boruto bc it became too DBZ-y with the power scaling shit

[sour horizon]

He never had kids and lived happily ever after tbh

[wheat elk]

well folks here are at the point that nerfing other specs is considered a buff to sub so go figure

[sour horizon]

They also took Arms arms for the memes

[wheat elk]

they are legs now

[grand wyvern]

Literally every spec that was performing better than sub was nerfed harder

M+ wise

[charred kestrel]

Anyone checked to see if they actually pushed the tuning today?

[hazy breach]

Seems to be yes

Not pushed to beta though

[graceful osprey]

I’m waiting for the perfect transmog so I can do an itachi transmog

Still waiting for our Suanno CD too

[keen dome]

I'm more a Vegeta guy.

[cold sequoia]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[idle aurora]

Guy is awesome ❤️

[wanton oasis]

Anyone old enough to remember Ming, hero of the rogue class?

[idle aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ming-ming-the-merciless-flash-gordon-alien-pathetic-gif-5415773

I remember this Ming…..he looks rogue ish

[south pelican]

are you guys running nightstalker or trickster in raid? my sims showing tricker is better but maybe its because i dont have bis gear yet, only 140 ilvl

[gilded lodge]

I was there 1000 years ago

https://youtu.be/aDXXr3ad3is?si=ao7C29mXuN-_NNe7

[graceful osprey]

I think for prepatch, it doesn’t really matter right now, but I’m running deathstalker right now

[hazy breach]

Shiv?

[lilac stag]

…

[indigo drift]

What you consider fun doesn't sound fun

[lilac stag]

All that ^extra^ priority from deathstalker.

Eleem about to have an aneurism

[plush roost]

Nah but come apex talents its just defacto truth due to numbers

Unfortunately ds is still behind trickster in st, prio, and aoe

[lilac stag]

The tribe doesn’t care what you do, if you think DS is ahead go for it.

[plush roost]

Then ye ur gud

[lilac stag]

I’m waiting for outlaw to have highest prio dmg.

[idle aurora]

Fml….i dint realize when i opened my phone here on lunch break it was in sub channel for some reason dangit

I purged my existence for the last 10 mins

Also Ty for all being way too nice lol

[chrome palm]

“Unfortunately”

[plush roost]

Purple!!!

[astral axle]

purbl

[chrome palm]

Gold is better than purple the numbers website told me so

[plush roost]

U may have a gold parse but a purple parse is ETHICAL

(For legal reasons this is a joke)

(Iam not sad i couldnt get a good dimmy parse since i get to press flag a total of 3 times)

[warm marlin]

...?

[plush roost]

Erm

That was ethical too!

[warm marlin]

[slate marlin]

Ethical padding exists

[warm marlin]

I'm sure Charrend's 3 black powder casts were the epitome of ethics. Unlike a certain scumlord who cast 14 of them during a certain pull in september...

and potted the adds and sent 18 stack prism on them

[slate marlin]

Anything you do to be above light blue specs is ethical

[warm marlin]

I'm sure whoever would do such a thing would be incredibly happy to still be gapped by a low purple bm hunter parse and barely beat a blue fdk parse

[neat meteor]

Mages and rogues are friends... Everyone else is the enemy...

[slate marlin]

Hmm no

Fuck mages

Mage is number 1 enemy

[neat meteor]

The love started in tbc 2v2 arenas and still lives on

[slate marlin]

Last time i did pvp i was 10yo in wrath

So i dont love mages

[exotic steeple]

we replace 4p immediately for 2p?

[hazy breach]

[plush roost]

Yeah i only pressed powder 3 times because the dk blasted them im ethical yup

[astral axle]

charrethic

[lilac stag]

you may see yourself out now.
fuck mages

[slate marlin]

Scath stating facts

[maiden oar]

my rl asked us to aoe on platforms bc the big add died too quickly

but i would forget and evisc sometimes

i dont know if this means i am more or less evil

[warm marlin]

you have a heart of gold

[maiden oar]

i got exploded by autumn havers though

[plush roost]

Autumn was definitely insane on that fight

Rip

[maiden oar]

we started underhealing and our hpal swapped to ret

[plush roost]

[maiden oar]

i think i was #1 non autumn guy so i can cope at least

imglad autumns gone

evil evil button

not glad we might want pi

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[maiden oar]

hehe

yeah maybe i cant say it bc i was an autumn haver for most of the patch

[warm marlin]

Meh I played bad can’t really blame autumn

[maiden oar]

[warm marlin]

Packet loss stuff was brutal too legit dropped like 3 gcds every blades for a month straight 💀

[maiden oar]

tjat is so sad

i dont like how only the last few weeks of the patch matter

[plush roost]

Oof

[warm marlin]

Stacking raid buff pov

[maiden oar]

raid buff stack thing is so evil

[plush roost]

Bro the worst is when the actual game just freezes on its own for 3-4 seconds

[maiden oar]

i think im going to blame widnows 11 and swap to linux

[plush roost]

Like it happens to fucking everyone i dont get it

[maiden oar]

[plush roost]

Its not even WA or anything either cause i had it happen on live after the purge

Weird ahh server thing i swear

[maiden oar]

i got a big fps drop bc of the jan w11 update

and before that i stuttered bc of a different one

maybe blame microsoft

[plush roost]

Ai vibecoding ruining everything

[maiden oar]

so true

they should just make the stacking buff cap out faster

is the timeline for the buff on midnight s1 known

and is it the same for all 3 raid

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chrome palm]

bro in season 2

holy shit

first pull dfc i had to say a prayer

i got king crimson'd by the overseer like 5+ times that season in a screen freeze

https://tenor.com/view/vladimir-putin-bodyguard-putin-bodyguard-xi-jinping-xi-jinping-bodyguard-gif-11259093422549801415

@cyan lava

i saw that

[cyan lava]

[stuck lance]

is sub just feeling kinda weak in prepatch? just did a key and felt like dps was kinda low atm

[bitter halo]

What was your overall dps?

[stuck lance]

already logged over to alt to dick around but was doing like 30k ish on bosses maybe i am spoiled by raid buff lol

[plush roost]

When Chewy yells out "Za Warudo" and i pray my feint registered

[ebon mirage]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[idle aurora]

Is that cancel aura macro still a thing?

[flint parrot]

kinda minor

[alpine wraith]

cancelaura apex for sec tech is still a thing

as far as i know

[swift tinsel]

Iirc it’s +/-

#subtlety message

[alpine wraith]

rofl

even only working on the phys hit ahaha

[swift tinsel]

And strike on full cp is like 0.5%

Yeah it’s so dumb lol

Would be really funny if they get the shadow part to work but each clone takes your sht stacks or something like that

Like they did with gamba on s2 tier set

Idk I’ve been feeling lukewarm on midnight lately

Just overall

[shrewd lantern]

Idk feels kind of fine, only did like 1 key for like 60k in a gambit.

[hazy breach]

It would surprise me if this wasnt the least hyped expansion we've had for a long ass time

[swift tinsel]

It’s just kinda feels like they’re dumping stuff on us vs presenting it, if that makes sense

Idk the vibe is definitely odd

I’m at least giving the first season a shot

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah midnight feels like a patch not an expansion.

[swift tinsel]

Honestly yeah it kinda does

With the whole Worldsoul Saga thing being a continuous storyline

[hazy breach]

To me that doesnt seem that important, its just that theres nothing new or exciting besides housing, which many dont care for

Most things just got noticeably worse

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I haven’t done shit with my house in weeks

And if the raid fights aren’t compelling it’ll be a very easy exit

[chrome palm]

im not kidding if there was a target dummy i could put on my house exterior i would actually interact with housing

[swift tinsel]

Even in our guild there’s like zero hype for the game itself, it’s just to get back into discord

And be social again

[vapid trellis]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

Until the season dies off and we all unsubscribe again lol

[young apex]

yo where can i see some builds

cause if i try to copy some sub builds in warcraft logs they wont be completed like so weird idk how to explain

[swift tinsel]

Not having this is silly

If you could configure up to like

8 of them, maybe 5 idc

[bleak night]

ironically midnight is kind of the type of expansion ive asked for but never thought would happen, but a twisted fucked up version of it

[chrome palm]

like theres no st dummy in the new city

its laggy af

horrible to use

i just want a single dummy at my house

[bleak night]

the focus is on base game systems and "improving" them, instead of adding a bunch of new shiny stuff to sell an expansion

[swift tinsel]

Yeah having them be in a hub city is a feelsbadman from a tech standpoint in general

[bleak night]

the problem is most people dont agree its improvements

[swift tinsel]

I just go to org for single dummy time but housing would be real nice

[bleak night]

housing target dummy would be sick

[magic cliff]

There's one in the decor list

[swift tinsel]

Idk they want thing accessible but I don’t see it bringing in that many new people

[magic cliff]

Not sure if it's usable but it exists

[swift tinsel]

Ye maybe it’s a full-release type deal

[magic cliff]

Housing is getting a stupid amount of stuff when midnight is finally here

Prey alone has so many trophies to collect

[astral axle]

is uh just kinda deadge now or were they using wrong build

[swift tinsel]

Maybe I’ll just be an RP-er and make a crypt for my dk

Looks like your whole group was deadge lol

[bleak night]

i cant wait to make a trophy room

then not get ce and it be empty

[magic cliff]

Yeah mine is set up a bit already

[swift tinsel]

I just want a forsaken crypt exterior

[magic cliff]

Got all the stuff from prey, CE trophies, and random dungeon stuff

[hazy breach]

That looks like beta

[swift tinsel]

That I can make into a literal crypt with skelemen

[hazy breach]

They didnt apply the changes to beta

[astral axle]

you Beta believe it

[swift tinsel]

Get all subterranean

[astral axle]

oh

so they just maybe weren't experienced with unholy

[bleak night]

maybe you're just a god

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/alexandra-tydings-aphrodite-hercules-the-legendary-journeys-goddess-beautiful-gif-26428226

i thought like some changes were pushed to beta but not all randomly

is that the case?

[hazy breach]

Idk rogue changes arent in

[lusty mango]

Meanwhile in eso.. target dummies for parsing in your own house 🫠

[bleak night]

yeah but then you're stuck playing eso

[rustic geyser]

eso has pretty involved combat tbh

good game, bad management

[bleak night]

mfw arcanist is the best class since its inception then they add subclassing and everyone subclasses arcanist

surprisedpikachu.jpg

[sinful flume]

Hey guys, I havent played a rogue sub since Dragonflight. I remember that Dance Macabre + Secret Technique was a kind of annoying interaction, having to use different skills before casting Secret Technique. Has there been any simplification regarding Dance Macabre?

[astral axle]

you don't really think about it now

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897746128207892 has all the info you need regarding rotational stuff; you can see for yourself it isnt really played around

[serene notch]

Danes macabre is now just flat dam, the common advice will be you don’t need to play around it

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-doctor-we’re-so-back-plague-doctor-plague-we’re-so-back-so-back-gif-6779873412859706022

[sinful flume]

Nice, i hated that mechanic, ty

[shrewd lantern]

It really didn't change much

You just backstabbed as first builder.

[lilac stag]

which is reason enough to hate it

[shrewd lantern]

You can direct your hate at SL PV then.

That started backstab in dance.

[lilac stag]

that was also shit. DF just ruined strike dance macro.

[shrewd lantern]

it was worse since the stacking buff caused the backstab to do more

than strike

[lilac stag]

don’t worry. We’re gonna shiv in dance before this expansion is over.

[shrewd lantern]

i think in df s1 we might have done sectech 2nd finisher in dance

i.e strike bp into storm sectech

[lilac stag]

just turn Danse into banshee’s blight and everyone happy

[short radish]

Stop trying to will this into existence

[shrewd lantern]

I'm probably fumbling the history but

We definitely wanted to strike once in early df in aoe.

Just for danse stack

over storm

[serene notch]

I would bet on something like that happening again for absolute min/max before the first season of midnight is over

[astral axle]

based on what, just prece-danse?

[swift tinsel]

maybe if they buff the ap%

if they took out the "different" from it that'd be better

esp now that its just flat damage

its gonna be an L ability either way until they have it make you do all four commands from Council of Blood

in a random order

[shrewd lantern]

"sashayed left, blew up the other melee with spread mechanic"

[swift tinsel]

as the good lord intended

the game needs more whimsey anyways

[shrewd lantern]

I'd love just to read the mald

[swift tinsel]

I'd boogie down right into the ranged stack and take them all with me (and live bc rogue immortal)

[shrewd lantern]

Our dh would always joke how on dathea just VR'ed into a warlock who didnt move.

"do you vr into a dumb ahh lock that hasnt moved to assert dominance"

[swift tinsel]

dude I was a lifegrip menace when I played priestfor that reason lol

[shrewd lantern]

Do you know whats the most useful misc item throughout all these years?

The swapblaster

so many trolling incidents

[swift tinsel]

ye I need to stay strapped with one of those at all times lol

and dig up my neural silencer

[shrewd lantern]

MFO had a few spots for it

LoU only really had sprocket's room and gally's

[swift tinsel]

honestly I might just dedicate this first season to being a fucking menace

the true endgame

[shrewd lantern]

use jaina's locket to drop a dalaran portal on warlock closets

absolute cinema

[sweet meteor]

Hey, I'm starting to learn sub and it looks very straightforward with the patch, but on the FAQ I see coup de gras mentioned but don't see that as an ability. Am I missing something?

[slate marlin]

its the trickster hero talent capstone

[astral axle]

it overtakes evisc

[sweet meteor]

OOOHHHHHHHH

[astral axle]

[sweet meteor]

I am dumb lmao

For an opener would you stealth, shadowstrike, then immediately dance/blades or would you wait a sec?

[swift tinsel]

Fire away

Swifty macro that shit

[radiant swift]

if i somewhat followed the talks about beta right, it was that dance+stec was strong itself and blades didnt (that much) more - does this go for prepatch too? would this also mean instead of waiting 10sec for blades its better to wait for dance+stec with blades being up?

[tidal blade]

I think the guide says only hold if blades is within 10 sec

[radiant swift]

it does but theres some weird (im not sure how and why) desync at some point where stec is up but no dance

which is weird because both have the same cd

im not sure if the guide is up to the talks in the discord hence the question

[tidal blade]

i hold my dance for sectec as long as I won’t hit 2 charges in that scenario. ie dance on cd 6 sec and sectec 18 I’ll wait for sectec

[radiant swift]

but that shouldnt happen in the first place no?

its either both wait for blades or blades for dance+stec

i think atleast

[swift tinsel]

Crazy that hasted Sectech cd is what they’re sticking with

Universally stinky

[radiant swift]

wait am i crazy? isnt it fixed

no im stupid holy fuck

that was a nice way of not calling out ngl

ofc its hasted how else would 2 sometimes fit with BL

[unreal musk]

hello, in the opener am i supposed to wait for my second Secret Technique to come off cd before using my second Shadow dance? or i just send Shadow Dance on cd during Shadow Blade

[tepid trellis]

Send the Dance

[tidal blade]

You should have enough haste where you get two Dances and third lines up w sec tech

[unreal musk]

does ST and SD supposed to always align?

with enough haste

[tidal blade]

I have not tested past 20% or so, my experience is they will end up misaligned

[unreal musk]

oki

[torn tide]

hey, for coup we always wanna use it as soon as we can right? cuz it gives finisher damage from flawless form

[swift tinsel]

Could see holding for a bit if dance/blades is almost up to try and apex it

[torn tide]

so use it after dance if possible?

[swift tinsel]

What

[torn tide]

wait were u answering me for this lol

[swift tinsel]

Yes lol

[unreal musk]

can i hold for like 5-6 sec 6 CP if tech and dance are about to come off cd

cuz for trickster i have to enter dance at 6CP right?

[swift tinsel]

You kinda wanna farm ShT going into dance/blades so that’s pretty fine to hold for a bit

[unreal musk]

sorry what is ShT?

[swift tinsel]

Shadow techniques

[unreal musk]

ohh

[swift tinsel]

The attacking buff that grants cp

And fuels apex

[unreal musk]

the third apex right?

[swift tinsel]

Technically all of them

[unreal musk]

Ahhh okk i get it

maybe its written somewhere, but outside of dance, should i backstab only when i have 2-3 stack of ShT?

[torn tide]

oh how does apex affect the coup?

cuz u can refund the combo points off it?

[swift tinsel]

Clones can replicate it

[torn tide]

oh shit double coup

thats nuts

how do i like "activate" it tho

or does it just happen

cuz like i assume i need a way to track it so i know when im able to double coup

[swift tinsel]

I almost wanna see them up the third node so that if you have 10 sht stacks it overdrives the finisher and makes the clones do 75-100% instead of 50%

Really go all in

Esp since we get a bazillion stacks

[torn tide]

lmaoo the damage we would do would be insane

[swift tinsel]

Just humble shadow techniques farmers

Would be kinda nutso if they did that

[torn tide]

oh wait its the 1st apex talent isnt it

[spice matrix]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

If you use a builder and have 5+ stacks left over your next finisher will proc a clone attack

Bc it counts as “expending” them from the first node

It’s all worded oddly

[runic sinew]

Dance macabre dmg is just single right?

[swift tinsel]

Yes

[torn tide]

wew thats cool

[swift tinsel]

Yeah in practice it’s way simpler than the tooltip makes it sound

[torn tide]

time to stand afk and farm sht

then get kicked

[swift tinsel]

You literally get infinite stacks in cooldowns

And farm a bit before them so you’re proccing it a lot

[tribal blade]

yeah sht gen in cds pretty high

[torn tide]

oh ye, i think dance is the one giving me crazy amounts of sht right

[swift tinsel]

Kinda why I want the overcharge thing but also expect them to nerf generation at some point

Bc that’s only gonna get worse

It’s kinda like Ferocious Bite consuming extra energy

But instead of energy it’s ShT stacks at a certain threshold

Tier set idea maybe idk

[tribal blade]

yeah during dance you have shadowcraft and warning signs active

both increase sht

[torn tide]

noice

i see why haptics asked me to wait for dance to be up before coup now

[swift tinsel]

It’s more of a lvl90 thing but doesn’t hurt to start the habit

Since launch is in like a week

[grim vessel]

If you're at full cp with 2s left on secT cd, energy close to capping. Blow a spender or a builder?

Assuming trickster

[warm marlin]

backstab at full cp

[summer lynx]

Man I feel so weak after the rounds of nerfs

[lilac stag]

nerfs will just remove the weak rogues

[stray oyster]

Whast is going on wiht sub, the damage is now awful

[swift tinsel]

check pins broseph

back to back weeks of nerfs

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile havoc getting buffed

[stray oyster]

im aware man, its not fun

we are not comptetive on any spec in pre patch

[tribal blade]

prepatch means nothing

[stray oyster]

it mans its not fun to play liol

[tribal blade]

apex for sub is very impactful

you're not playing the full spec on prepatch

[lilac stag]

giving a shit about prepatch.

[tribal blade]

it's like being given a car with 3 wheels and half the engine missing and then saying the car brand sucks

[rich ibex]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

I genuinely just don’t understand why anyone gives a shit right now.

haha my logs got invalidated for old enchants.

[tribal blade]

i can understand the initial reaction to seeing prepatch specs, but some people don't wanna hear why for some reason

[lilac stag]

Same reason they’re being dolts about “2 buttons”

when it’s literally every spec

the nerf did clear out this discord and put it back to the usual suspects.

[tribal blade]

YUP

[bleak night]

they'll be back

[swift tinsel]

when they realize there's like...no depth across the board lol

and its not unique to sub

in fact quite a few are even simpler

and have next to no/actually no disparity between aoe/st

[sour horizon]

I used to hate BM hunter, atm I now have 2 for ez chill farming and enjoy it haha also a Surv which was popping off

Dunno how big the surv nerf is

Also seem to be a lot if the same peeps saying game is shit and dumbed down who do fk all dps now

Hows that work? If its so dumbed down and easy? Whys your dps so bad?

[lilac stag]

Our hunter was still pumping on SV

Not devourer dps

but I don’t think anything is at this point.

[sour horizon]

SV is great!

[swift tinsel]

sv is like as chill a spec can get

[sour horizon]

Ive also seen a ton of low dos devourer xD

[swift tinsel]

ye its easy to play devourer badly

bc their damage is so loaded into meta

[lilac stag]

Assa still more chill.

[sour horizon]

I gave it a crack on my DH, reminds me of legion spriest, pretty fun but I need more haste to do better dps then my havoc setup

[swift tinsel]

nah sin is boring

big diff

[lilac stag]

sv is just vibes

[swift tinsel]

pure vibes

[lilac stag]

Assa needs no doze

[swift tinsel]

build your stacks, spend your stacks

big boom blaster

then back to stackin

that button alone can carry a spec for a hot minute lol

just unloading a shotgun a few times

[lilac stag]

I really need to finish ui and then do SV

[swift tinsel]

if envenom felt as nice to press as bombs it'd be a whole different ballgame

[lilac stag]

logged in for 40 minutes for Mount raid. Already out. Haha

[stray oyster]

The same button pushing 10 days ago has an almost -20 percent damage

I hope midnight feels
Better

[idle aurora]

do we actually track flawless form or escalating blade?

we just kinda let it roll right?

[swift tinsel]

its useful to know when coup is ready

but flawless you don't need to track

[idle aurora]

do we play around coup?

[swift tinsel]

to a degree yeah

[idle aurora]

i have it macroed into black powder

[swift tinsel]

sometimes you want to hold it for a bit if dance/blades are coming up

[idle aurora]

ahhh

[swift tinsel]

but its fine if you just send

[idle aurora]

no its good to know a little nuance

[swift tinsel]

ideally you apex proc on it to get the clone attack

[idle aurora]

do you track shadow tec?

[swift tinsel]

you can but don't necessarily need to

you get so many that you're pretty much guaranteed to proc apex in cds

[idle aurora]

its like im always 12-14

i dont know what im actually looking at lol

[swift tinsel]

14 is the cap

well, twice your max cp

[karmic hull]

Is there usually another tuning before xpac release

[swift tinsel]

typically ongoing tuning for the first few weeks/months

[sour horizon]

na, mostly likely in the week before raids open

then after

[karmic hull]

Cool thanks you two

[sour horizon]

if youre going to do M+ the dungeons will also get on going tuning for the first few weeks

[vapid trellis]

is anyone running deathstalker on beta keys atm?

[young apex]

Is sub rogue hard to play in midnight ? I never played the spec tbh i dunno how hard it is to play

[tribal blade]

all specs are easier now

[sour horizon]

I cant think of a single "hard" spec

Theyre all quick to grasp the basics and adapt from there

[fleet acorn]

Did they Change dance/ss macro ? It seems the off global doesn’t work all the time ? I gotta press dance macro twice rly often

[tribal blade]

they broke it a while back during TWW beta i think

don't use it anymore, given how we're trying to maximize dance globals it's not worth losing 0.2 secs

[alpine wraith]

think they broke it on like df tho

[tribal blade]

might have been yeah

i don't remember

[haughty mural]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1463210920976056351/dark.jpg

[lilac stag]

That specific macro stopped working in DF

[fleet acorn]

Why is it under ! Macro then ?

[vale pine]

blizz changed stealth related spells in tww/df and with that broke the macro sadly

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale pine]

^ these macro don't incldude dance + strike

dance + storm works just fine

the reason its included is because of global cooldowns and deepening shadows

[lilac stag]

It’s not?

We haven’t recommended that as a macro for almost 2 years

[vale pine]

the extension of shadow dance can be very low, which makes the macro a good way to ensure hitting every global

[haughty mural]

insert a gif

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-gif-23018361

2 weeks later

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[lucid jackal]

Devourer from what Ive heard

But idk how it works

[sour horizon]

Its still pretty quick to get the basics and go from there

Its basically legion shadow priest voidform

[alpine wraith]

that is quite hard for people nowadays

think it is more of a playing like that while in a raid enviroment

[sour horizon]

Yeah I guess xD same with aff lock

[alpine wraith]

more than hard hard

does aff still need to kinda snapshot with darkglare to get max value

or they deleted that

[lucid jackal]

I'd call that difficult

[sour horizon]

Not sure, just see peeps struggle with dot management

My idea of difficult is prob way off 🙁

Everything feels super chill atm

[lucid jackal]

Depends how you want to define what difficulty means

[sour horizon]

Like old feral

[lucid jackal]

Personally I'd qualify stm effects difficult, especially in an actual encounter

[tepid trellis]

its like old voidform if it was lego duplo instead of regular lego

so probably still "high" on the difficulty state with midnight standards, but not compared to anything else we have seen before

[lilac stag]

Difficult is not the same for everyone. Some excel at reactionary gameplay. Some at planning. Some at plate spinning.

For most it’s incredibly difficult to be able to step back and realize just because you find it easy, doesn’t mean everyone else will.

[keen dome]

100% agreed. Extremely important, imo.

[tribal blade]

it is weird in here sometimes with difficulty because you have such a wide variation of people with differing skill levels

[keen dome]

Difficulty is so, so subjective. One of the most subjective things you can find, really. I also think it's easy to skew and introduce bias's because typically people in here are in the top few % of players.

thankfully i'm here to balance it by being in the bottom few %

[tribal blade]

like for the casual coming in here looking for tips things will seem much harder for him than me, and then i'll find stuff the big dogs we have in here they find easy really hard

[tribal blade]

haha nahhh you're not

[keen dome]

that's true, I'm in the 0.01% of idlers.

[lilac stag]

It’s almost like we all learn and respond differently to concepts.

[tribal blade]

that's crazy talk

[lilac stag]

I can understand 86 apm outlaw. Didn’t mean my person will ever feel comfortable reacting at that speed.

Take 20 apm away. Sure it’s better, but now baby spec for the formula 1 cart drivers used to 86 apm.

[maiden oar]

to be fair i was in here in season 1 asking how to play my spec in delves

[lilac stag]

we know

[maiden oar]

and then i became less casual because people in here helped me

[alpine wraith]

we make people ramp

[maiden oar]

so i think its good even if its weird

[lilac stag]

The core group in here will genuinely try to help everyone excel. Some are just not open to taking advice

[maiden oar]

i like that this place is less actively hostile towards noobs who are uninformed + struggle w basic stuff

compared to other class discords

[lilac stag]

This discord, before it was a discord, was built on making the class and specs more approachable to everyone

[maiden oar]

yea

as an aside ppl are too hard on delves

they got me into the game

we love delves

[lilac stag]

Delves are best content

S2 was goated

Kyveza ?? Was goated

[keen dome]

Agreeeeeeed.

[maiden oar]

yea ?? kyveza went crazy

i am excited for new delve boss hall of fame

i might gear a dk or monk for that

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's a cool idea. Should be per spec (or evenc lass) thouh

[lilac stag]

I’m excited for mega delve

But that’s a ways off

[keen dome]

ye

[maiden oar]

agree but bc its not i am heavily considering playing something immune to getting autoed so i can just live forever and get free hall of fame

[lilac stag]

I may get my Hunter going. SV was more enjoyable in delves

Rogue was fine, but Brann and tricks not great

[reef walrus]

that's been my biggest issue with the delve bosses as well, I've had a dk alt the entire expansion and dk just has such an easy time on the bosses because dk just doesn't take damage

[maiden oar]

it was so funny in kyveza ??

press shadow dance

drop all ur threat

she runs through 100 dagger lines right at brann

brann gets scared and runs away and makes it worse

wahoo!

[reef walrus]

that's when you just press shadowstep

I dare you

[maiden oar]

hehe

[lilac stag]

DK is just overtuned defensively as dps and the scaling of bran’s dmg coupled with blood survivability was busted

[reef walrus]

yeah I don't understand how dk survived the defensive pruning from midnight

[lilac stag]

SOMETHING SOMETHING they took our grip

[reef walrus]

it's crazy tbh

[lilac stag]

idk. Still the original hero class

[reef walrus]

I did 8/8m (before prepatch) on both rogue and dk

knockback? no lol I don't get knocked back

magic damage? no lol I don't take magic damage

debuffs? no lol I don't deal with those

physical damage? it's fine I have plate and 20% more hp

[lilac stag]

Do your rotation. Grip an add

[reef walrus]

took damage anyway? press death strike

[sour horizon]

Then all the sub players can be on the list together!

[short radish]

this is how we get the sub player base up

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[short radish]

week 5 and the hof for sub still isn't filled

so people willl reroll

[lilac stag]

And quit before getting hof

When OBA doesn’t cut it

[sour horizon]

How is the one button for sub now?

Actually usable or what xD

[lilac stag]

they’re all usable

[sour horizon]

Didnt it use to not pop cds? I remember reading it was pretty meh for sub

[lilac stag]

it’s not going to do any min max like Sectech first in dance

It won’t send blades unless they added it recently

[sour horizon]

Spose we lost sod and flag so that helps

[keen dome]

None of them will pop cooldowns for you, yeah. You have to still use them. Although Sub's was weird and it used flag iirc.

[sour horizon]

Oh lol

Ive used it for a hunter when farming the last few raid renown month or two ago

Was great with movie on 2nd monitor

[keen dome]

This is real difficulty.

[sour horizon]

Theres a pet called Lettuce?!

Its a bird?! Wtf I was hoping it was a veggie like those turnips in MoP

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEENAFQ1c00

this is going on in my city right now

[shadow snow]

does pre-patch and season 1 rotation have differences? Do we get another button?

[keen dome]

Happy horse year

[tribal blade]

neigh neigh motherfucker

[tribal blade]

we don't gain a button but the apex adds the refund system back

it works differently than before

and adds more to the spec, prepatch is quite bland compared to beta

[shadow snow]

refund? What do we get back?

[keen dome]

£3.99 every time you spend £10 on poisons.

Combies.

[shadow snow]

So basically if i do a finisher i might get combo points back?

[alpine wraith]

im quite sad the apexmaxxing didnt end up a bigger win

[tribal blade]

it's the refund system from shadowcraft but different

[alpine wraith]

maybe with more mastery it rises eventually

[tribal blade]

i was worried the apexmaxxing would make sub become super hostile to play again

but we're used to playing with weird min maxes

so everyone would adapt

[alpine wraith]

yea it was not as huge as expected after some things change

but also they keep fixing DS bugs

that is nice

as annoying as it is to play

[vestal escarp]

Apemaxxing

[vale pine]

yes, but only if you used a combo builder before, there is a visual indication for it

[graceful osprey]

I hope future tier sets have us summon 500 clones or something

[open coyote]

Anyone knows how to make it so blizz nameplates dont stack like crazy?

Its a fkn Nightmare to kick stuff

And to even see if the mob is casting for that matter

[tribal blade]

i could be mistaken but i think blizz removed the ability to tweak the cvars on nameplate stacking

unless people figured out how to do it again

[thorny ridge]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[thorny ridge]

How recent is the bug data? Have anything been fixed since the restart?

[hazy breach]

Do not believe so

[alpine wraith]

last fix was like some lingering things and what else?

DN i think right

some days ago

[hazy breach]

Was probably fixed earlier than that, but ye i was notified of it a couple of days ago

[alpine wraith]

how is coup with macabre and apex havent checked in a while

maybe got fixed

[hazy breach]

Its fixed

[alpine wraith]

both of them dayum nice

[open coyote]

in prepatch do we still play trickster or do we play DS?

i personally like having something to play around with so the DS Mark is fine for me

[keen dome]

Whichever you want, it's prepatch. But Trickster is probably smoother.

[tribal blade]

played trickster in raid today and it was a much happier experience

[lilac stag]

I think I got sub where I want it. Can stop avoiding the other 2 now.

[haughty mural]

i'll never be happy

with mine

[fast dome]

whats the least popular rogue spec going to be in midnight?

[vestal escarp]

Slick

Good

Gj

[upper narwhal]

whatever's the worst tuned

[fast dome]

yes thats what I want to play, just curious if we knew what it was currently. I know assassination wasn't great but apparently a bunch of changes just happened?

[haughty mural]

🔮

[lilac stag]

Which spec do you like playing the least? That will be best spec

[hazy breach]

Theyll do a bunch more changes

But assa is almost always the most popular

[fast dome]

outlaw lol

[lilac stag]

Enjoy your guns

It’s currently highest tuned spec

[fast dome]

wellif its best I dont want to play it

I specifically want to main the worst spec

[lilac stag]

That’s also outlaw

[fast dome]

god damnit

😿

[vale pine]

this could change with midnight

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-box-walk-kot-gif-20976827

[vale pine]

spec complexity went down by a lot

so maybe people feel more like playing whatever they feel is the best

[alpine wraith]

yea they can just vibe with any spec

[haughty mural]

imagine they would also add visuals now

[alpine wraith]

skill mtx is coming trust

[haughty mural]

📈

[alpine wraith]

the housing people will help

any day now

[haughty mural]

sub will suddenly be the most popular melee spec

[alpine wraith]

nah maybe wake up

[haughty mural]

[fast dome]

pretty sure rogue in general is the least popular melee spec. maybe surv hunter is less so

[alpine wraith]

actually i wonder if sub ever was top 5 most popular melee spec

[swift tinsel]

I’ll pay some good Hearthsteel to buy better vfx

Not ashamed to admit that

[lilac stag]

what, you got this.... is it not good enough?

[alpine wraith]

oh i mean i have dropped almost 10k in poe

i can give wow some stacks of cash

[haughty mural]

i'd would be enough for me

[alpine wraith]

dream would be if people coul create vfx and sell it even if only the person using it would see it

[haughty mural]

im still on battle shout or grip duty

[alpine wraith]

and blizz takes a cut

[lilac stag]

Oh grip duty is new

[haughty mural]

yea

we now have neither

[swift tinsel]

Ultimate dream would be shadow skelemen instead of clones via glyph

And recolor with necro color spell effects

[haughty mural]

are you a necromancer or what ?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-rollercoaster-gif-3626722

[swift tinsel]

I wanna be lol

Let me immerse myself with glyphs

[haughty mural]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dance-497

[swift tinsel]

If I could be a necro rogue it’d be my favorite thing ever

Multi classing when

[haughty mural]

unholy sub rogue ?

[swift tinsel]

(I’ve been playing too much BG3 in in too deep)

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

But multiclassing in wow would be sick

A balance nightmare

[haughty mural]

was about to say

[lilac stag]

For your sake I pray you’re a gripper

[keen dome]

Just make it like the ff14 system imo

[swift tinsel]

Delete hero trees and let me multi class

[keen dome]

all classes, one character

[keen dome]

What would you mulicvlass with rogue though

[swift tinsel]

Unholy dk 1000000%

Necrogue

[keen dome]

weak

smh.

[haughty mural]

so i dont have to battle with tanks on meter ?

[keen dome]

Devourer DH.

MAXIMUM PURPLE

[lilac stag]

rogue + anything with any utility.

[keen dome]

rogue + mage

[lilac stag]

Buddy rogue and warrior both getting clapped by tanks

[keen dome]

But

Warrior + rogue

TANK ROGUE

[lilac stag]

rogue + SV hunter.

[alpine wraith]

warr does have same aura as rogue yea

[keen dome]

That's just a rogue with hand grenades

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

And a pet, and lust

[alpine wraith]

same bro same

[keen dome]

I can do that already!

[swift tinsel]

Subvival rogue could be sick

[alpine wraith]

tbh rogue with a 2H would be cool yea

[lilac stag]

imagine a gun actually being fun with rogue

[tribal blade]

i would combine sub with dark ranger marksman

[tribal blade]

and we become the banshee queen

[keen dome]

Bam, I'm a survival hunter

[lilac stag]

2h stealth spec. Boomstick I win

[swift tinsel]

Sub and sanlayn unholy -> Astarion

Lil vamp dude

[lilac stag]

imagine 2h Sectech

[tribal blade]

sub with spriest would be pretty baller too

void form dance

[keen dome]

Purple mode 2.0

[lilac stag]

Followed by wildfire bombs.

[swift tinsel]

Multiclassing coming in TLT trust

[tribal blade]

EXACTLY

[keen dome]

5 gold says we get two things in TLT.

[lilac stag]

Then you pet your floppa during out of dance downtime

[keen dome]

1. We get an artifact of some kind that is expansion long (and possibly introduced in the final patch of Midnight).
2. We get massive overhauls of character / race customisation and they also add a rogue tank spec.

[tribal blade]

i still think it would be so cool for sub to have access to a ranged shadow bow attack

[lilac stag]

or just make shuriken toss not shit

[hazy breach]

There are ways to play those things, just not on any blizzard servers unfortunately

[tribal blade]

true shuriken toss could become something really cool

[lilac stag]

biggest W this week

[keen dome]

You can equip a bow as Sub

But you sadly just hit things with it

[torn tide]

????

[swift tinsel]

Is Ascension WoW still around or did blizzard blow that up too

[keen dome]

Still around, they've not done anything to directly piss Blizz off yet.

[torn tide]

gonna stealth behind enemies and choke them out with the string

[swift tinsel]

Hmm it midnight is a dud maybe I head over there instead

[keen dome]

However....

how bow work

[torn tide]

surely midnight wont be a dud

[lilac stag]

Worst hunter cosplay ever

[swift tinsel]

I just wanna summon skelemen instead of clones with a glyph

Then you can actually see them

[torn tide]

unholy dk summons a bunch of stuff

[swift tinsel]

And recolor what little purple we have with the Necrolord spell effect

[torn tide]

an entire army

[swift tinsel]

Yes and they’re boring to play

In spite of that cool rp factor

[torn tide]

welp

[alpine wraith]

it used to be cooler

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it did

[alpine wraith]

you had to kinda get resources then get wounds then pop them

now it is hurrr durrr

[torn tide]

do u have a vid of how the clones look like in beta?

[swift tinsel]

Oh I was gonna say Necrotic Plague

[swift tinsel]

The same as live

[torn tide]

oh..

[alpine wraith]

never tried necrotic plague

[swift tinsel]

I loved it

Easily one of my fav play styles across any spec in the games history

[alpine wraith]

what patch was that even

[swift tinsel]

WoD iirc

[alpine wraith]

i only got to play dk in legion kinda as a 3rd char

[torn tide]

im ngl i disnt evwn notoce clones on live

[alpine wraith]

yea rn they only pop on shadowstrike from wm or from tornado on storm

and they are not easy to see unless you have the graphics amped up

think i had a clip witha close up where you can see them i can send it

[swift tinsel]

Existed in WoD, removed by Legion

[torn tide]

can i see it please

[swift tinsel]

I have a clone clip here somewhere

[hazy breach]

You can press sectech and theyll show up

[lilac stag]

that's the peak of the clone

kekw

[torn tide]

damn ive never seen it LOL

[torn tide]

thankyou

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/letterkenny-22

[swift tinsel]

Nvm it was in the midnight beta channel so deleted lol

[alpine wraith]

i sent him one

[swift tinsel]

Ah niceu

[alpine wraith]

but yea clones are not super spectacular

sadly

[swift tinsel]

Got excited when realz said he was trying to make them more visible but that was in November and no iteration since lol

[alpine wraith]

well they became more visible

just not a lot

[swift tinsel]

Ye like 8% more visible

[lilac stag]

That’s being generous

[tribal blade]

that was a lot of excitement followed by bitter disappointment

[lilac stag]

And if you’re on a toaster you’re not seeing them at all

[tribal blade]

hey that's me

[sour horizon]

Its weird that I found the DF set that had clones be more obvious

[lilac stag]

I think your network is more the toaster than your pc

[tribal blade]

haha my internet is honestly fine

[lilac stag]

Oh how was new years with the fam?

[tribal blade]

not too bad!

just had a CNY dinner

the old people played mah jong

the usual

[idle aurora]

What am I looking for when tracking shadow techniques

That it’s 14?

[keen dome]

What was the dinner like?

[haughty mural]

aint that 8 dishes for luck or something ?

[lilac stag]

Explain like I’m an American what a trad CNY involves

[tribal blade]

actually not sure haha, probably

[keen dome]

Seconding this but like I'm English and therefor have never experinced flavour.

[tribal blade]

all the married couples give red packets that have money in them to others

it's considered a display of your prosperity and wealth

there's lion dances

fireworks

[lilac stag]

fun

[keen dome]

What about the food

[tribal blade]

with my family typically an outing dim sum followed by family dinner

[keen dome]

oooh

Dim Sum owns

[lilac stag]

US NY just involves a ball dropping and hoping aliens invade us

[haughty mural]

🥟 🐟 🍜 🐔

[tribal blade]

for dinner we had a dish i have no idea what it's called in english haha

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/madturnip-independence-day-gif-19418540

[haughty mural]

thats what was told to me

[tribal blade]

it's like this big pot filled with a lot of different chinese dishes

all mixed into 1

[keen dome]

Is it like uh.

Solider's something? I know a korean dish that's kinda like that?

[tribal blade]

not sure tbh

[lilac stag]

Chinese Crock pot

[keen dome]

Sounds real good though

[tribal blade]

basically chinese crock pot yeah lol

[torn tide]

hot pot?

[tribal blade]

it's ok, it's not my favorite

[tribal blade]

nah not hot pot

that's different

[torn tide]

oh

[haughty mural]

you mean army stew ?

[keen dome]

Yeah!

That's what I'm thinking of

[tribal blade]

hot pot you have all the raw ingredients on the table and cook it yourselves

this one we buy the dish from special places that make it

then you heat it up at home

and everyone takes from that big communal crock pot

chinese eating is all sharing food

you never have chinese meals where everyone gets their own dish

[torn tide]

yea lmao

[keen dome]

I love that approach

[haughty mural]

my dream approach

[keen dome]

I also love food with flavour

[torn tide]

its pretty chill ngl,just get alot of stuff then everyone just shares

[haughty mural]

im hungry now k

[haughty mural]

love that

[tribal blade]

chinese food is also different in the way where it's a lot more casual

meat is always cut up with the bones, then you put the whole thing in your mouth and spit out the bones

[keen dome]

Dim Sum is different in HK, too, right? Like it's kinda.. I guess there's no western equivilent. Tapas maybe??

I saw a thing on it and it looked real cool, with the culture surrounding it

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade when I was in college I worked in a PC parts store with 2 other white guys. The Manager spoke Cantonese. The one female tech spoke Mandarine. The other tech was a big black guy. the language barrier / comedy at times was fucking hilarious.

[tribal blade]

haha yeah! except tapas is fancy

[keen dome]

Yeah!

And you always have tea with it, right?

[tribal blade]

oh that's actually funny

would have been even better if the mainland and cantonese guy didn't like each other

[tribal blade]

typically at a dim sum restaurant yes

hot tea

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

chinese don't believe in ever drinking cold liquid

i think it's bs

[keen dome]

I watched a real cool youtube thing from a Hong Kong chef about the dim sum culture. it was really fascinating and I love it a lot.

[tribal blade]

the cool thing about HK eating culture is how relaxed and casual it is

[keen dome]

Haha, when I worked food retail we had a regular Chinese ex-pat who would constantly come in and tell us this.

[tribal blade]

everyone is loud

you can burp

[keen dome]

Nice

[tribal blade]

people eat with their mouths open

[keen dome]

Less nice

[tribal blade]

pick their teeth with toothpicks at the table

very classic chinese culture lol

[torn tide]

its fun lol

[tribal blade]

yeah i don't do that 😉

[tribal blade]

it is!

[lilac stag]

The didn’t. The female would drop 贱女人 all the time

I think I’ve got that right.

[tribal blade]

hahaha

i think you did yeah

i can't read chinese very well

that language is fucking impossible to learn how to read

[lilac stag]

jiàn nǚ rén

There was no such thing as HR hahah

[hollow spear]

Macroing Shadow Blades and Shadow Dance is actually fine now?

[keen dome]

I really want to learn Chinese.

[lilac stag]

and I forgot the word, one sounded like a “n” with the hard R that she would say to the other tech (the black guy)

[tribal blade]

it's really hard

the pronounciation is very hard

[torn tide]

its stupidly difficult

[torn tide]

yea and recognising of words

[tribal blade]

and then learning to read the characters is crazy

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[tribal blade]

you ahve to be able to learn every single unique chinese character

[torn tide]

even now i can only speak and listen to basic chinese

[lilac stag]

There’s a white dude on YouTube that does the whole go into Chinese establishments act like he doesn’t know anything and speaks like z4 dialects fluently

[keen dome]

I learned to read cyrllic, but my actual Russian is quite limited. Being able to translate the cyrllic into the latin alphabet was pretty useful though, for translation..

[torn tide]

ive totally given up on reading add writing

[keen dome]

Damn

[tribal blade]

so you would need to learn roughly 13k characters

to be able to read fluently

[keen dome]

I'd love to actually learn Chinese to be able to read stuff like Romance of the Three Kingdoms / Journey to the West in their native language but that'd be such a complex task haha

[torn tide]

i love watching the people that look completely foreign and then go up to order dishes with better pronounciation and fluency than me