subtlety

[maiden oar]

and u dont press a global really fast after dance is pressed u get 1 gcd in dance

but with the macro u can get 2

yea there are haste breakpoints

[tiny flare]

OMG this sounds so much fun

Complex in a good way

[maiden oar]

[astral axle]

grouch your kitty emotes are cute :3

[maiden oar]

haste also lowers sectech cd so u can get 2 in blades during lust

ty

i love that guy

do u want them

[astral axle]

i like to admire them

i dont want to sully their purity with my dark presence

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[astral axle]

[maiden oar]

if you want them // change your mind you can have them

he is evil too

[stiff horizon]

Why the fck sub got 8% Aura nerf?

[maiden oar]

it was very strong on beta

if you knew what you were doing

[stiff horizon]

Lol it was mid in m+ imho

[maiden oar]

some people were gapping other specs

so they probably looked @ those logs

idk if 8% is warranted bc idk how much the other good specs got nerfed

but some nerf probably was fine

[stiff horizon]

Hm iam a little bit diaappointed about that nerf. Not needed imo

[maiden oar]

it is what it is

beta tuning is ephemeral

[woeful wren]

DSM is just not proc'ing stacks while DN is up fml

[chrome palm]

It was gapping people

[stiff horizon]

Hm

[chrome palm]

It wasn’t the best but for sure a lot better than mid

Spec is just so clunky and specific I don’t know if most people were playing it correctly on beta

[woeful wren]

There's just no way we needed an 8% nerf while UH needed an 8% buff

[fallow ingot]

I mean minus 8% flat without anything on the side is hilarous

[chrome palm]

Did you miss the ds tuning

Honestly wish they would just keep doing their TWW strat of not tuning ds

[boreal robin]

Took it from us gave to them 🤷‍♀️😂

[woeful wren]

They just keep managing to fuck it up more

Legit if u reapply mark with shadowstrike. U cannot proc a stack until u clear darkest night

So in AoE ur just forced to evi

[chrome palm]

Just ignore the mark

It does piss damage anyways

Or better yet don’t play ds

Clearly that is their solution

[woeful wren]

I mean, rogue is what the lowest or one of the lowest played classes as is

[chrome palm]

Yeah?

[woeful wren]

You would think it would get a little attention to maybe plump that up

[chrome palm]

Someone has to be the lowest

It got attention it just made it worse

[fallow ingot]

Yeah my bad

[scenic yarrow]

Did they patch old enchants on gear

[torn tide]

exactly lol people r too scared to play rogue

[lucid jackal]

Rogue has been unpopular since Cataclysm

[short radish]

im sticking to my conspiracy theory that devs don't want people playing rogues

i will continue to keep propagating this misinformation

[tall girder]

fimb what if they brought back rupture

[wild vine]

Not only that, some themes just arent as popular as others.
people seemingly also forget that there should be a class/spec for everyone, but not every class/spec needs to be for everyone.

[unreal silo]

whenever guildmates or friends mention why arent they playing rogue or have a rogue alt they just keep saying it felt weird because it has way too many small cds rather than one big thing

[warm depot]

surely a rework is coming right copege

[unreal silo]

well they cut a lot of stuff so that makes it easier to get into

[broken seal]

Guys is the deathstalker bugged ? When i’m using a +5 combo point like black powder, it rarely consumes 1 mark. Like most of the time I keep my 3 marks and then I eviscerate for a test and all of my marks looks consummed instantly. Any explanation ?

[dry plank]

They just don’t want touch rogue codebase. Try as less as possible 🙂

[short radish]

a part of me misses it in a weirdly stockholm syndrome way

but i still dont want it back

[tall girder]

it just feels so empty

[short radish]

so does every spec i assume

[tall girder]

feral feels pretty alright

[short radish]

nah even feral is pruned

they managed to somehow even prune BM

[tall girder]

what feral lose it was brutal slash thrash and bloodtalons

[short radish]

something like that

but the amount you need to worry about pandemic stuff is way less

[prime raft]

might be an OL or go DK angle

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[prime raft]

good morning fuu

[left shale]

hard to say if its time to go anywhere when we could have tuning at any time for anything. 6 weeks til season1. plenty of time for mayhem.

[vagrant fulcrum]

With one hand they begin to try and fix us ignoring mark on aoe and with the other they buff BP so we ignore evisc

Maddening

[keen dome]

Good morning, Fuu. Do you have snow.

[dry flame]

asking for drugs in a public discord? sus

[vale pine]

not much ^^

its mostly raining

[vale pine]

we don't need drugs, wow is enough

[keen dome]

Damn, still more than I have. Gimme.

[tender dust]

Honestly i kinda hope they will remove hero talents because of how bad the expierence is with mark.

[dry flame]

if i had to guess, they'll remove them after last titan

if we are to expect a big overhawl

[short radish]

tis why i call it world of warcrack

[void ocean]

war, what war 😄

world of hide and seek and interior decoration

wohasaid

[short radish]

[tender dust]

Other 2 years to go

[void ocean]

im thinking now how BfA/SL talents would fit perfectly into this simplification strat

[craggy fractal]

thats insane graphics, what settings do you use ?

[void ocean]

are we all ignoring the fact that fuu lives in the attic

[keen dome]

Bring back MoP talents trees. They were the best.

[dry flame]

and then the other half of players will say "bring back DF trees" (again) 😛

[void ocean]

i mean df trees were alright imho when we had complexity in the game

now kinda feels redundant having big trees and using 3 spells in rotation

just how many talent nods of pure dmg increase we have

that could be baked into one

[keen dome]

Super cool how people can force flag pvp on you in twilight highlands and then prevent you from doing anything.

Real good game, Blizz.

[vale pine]

think 7 is what most players use ^^

[vale pine]

i don't, just the 2nd floor of this house, the picture is from a balcony and shows the roof of one of the neighbors

[vale pine]

mop had a rly good art style, legion too

[keen dome]

Ye

[vale pine]

the entire event feels not as carefully thought out

[keen dome]

Ye

[vale pine]

quite a downgrade from other events

[keen dome]

I'm just getting ganked by these two every rare 'cos they force flagged me.

It's extremely annoying.

And my choice is to just go afk until the flag falls off. Just to let them force flag again

Like, cool. Amazing exploiting Blizz

[void ocean]

welcome to Hilsbrad gaming, son

[north schooner]

how do they force pvp flag?

[keen dome]

I have no idea.

[vale pine]

you have:

• two? weekly quests
• some worldquests, but like 1-2 per day
• a boss every 5-10 minutes
  And the currency amount you get is only high on the time limited part

[balmy pollen]

Asking for a friend?

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pottencialseguradora-QDBCjfaaTI7y5qrJwd

[brave carbon]

LOL first vault on my alt rogue and it's 6 fcking necks...

[keen dome]

I know there's a way to do it with toy interactions but never found out what they are.

But it's extremely frustrating.

[vale pine]

so even without the pvp flagging problem

you still have a lot of waiting and gating, just makes you stop without something to do

[keen dome]

I'm not in Warmode. I've not flown over any horde encampments to be flagged.

Just doing a rare and bam, flagged and a Paladin + Warrior attack me. I burst the Pal down but he bubbles like a toddler when he's losing and then they just gank me every rare.

[north schooner]

I saw some weird pvp flag things in netherstorm too a few days ago. I could just attack them with my war mode and pvp flag off

[keen dome]

Yeah

i'd report them but Blizz won't do anything so there isn't any point.

[north schooner]

I tried enabling and disabling war mode and pvp flag and haven't seen it since but that doesn't say it's solved necessarily

[keen dome]

Unless I snipe the rare at 1%, they can kill me and I lose tag on it so it's actively griefing lol

[fallow ingot]

LMAO wtf

[lilac stag]

LFG into a different server

[keen dome]

I just need one more then I'm done, so ye.

[brave carbon]

Yea! fucking crazy unfair vault haha, all but 1 necks currently in the game lol

[tribal blade]

wtf are the odds of that happening tf

[brave carbon]

1 in a million maybe xD

[tribal blade]

that's insane

[brave carbon]

chouldent even pick one lol

[tribal blade]

/cry

[torn tide]

thats just depressing wtf 6 necks

[onyx flame]

Are we still fine on beta after the subtle (haha) nerfs?

[brave carbon]

yea, just started to gearing my rogue and get that.. ^^

[tribal blade]

taking i'm gonna neck myself to a whole new level

[tulip light]

guys i was simming a bit - currently using two crafted rings. as trinkets i have mythic sack and heroic screams. one item left to get with puzzelign chips - its either araz trinket or dimi ring. sims show dimi ring as bigger upgrade prob because of the haste boost - what would you guys get?

[torn tide]

LOL wow giving you a sign

[thorny wagon]

The one that i like the Artwork better couse for what would i actually need it so close before Midnight

[upbeat garden]

Is it normal for blizzard to not give a reason for the ban ?

or its some AI doing everything and they dont actually review anything

[thorny wagon]

Thats AI

[keen dome]

Yeah, "All coins"?

That looks very fake

[thorny wagon]

All Legenadaries sure...

[keen dome]

Also "Is to be" not "Has been"

Looks like a scam, actually

[upbeat garden]

Thats what my friend received from blizzard, he was suspended for 6 months and after appeal he was perma banned

[thorny wagon]

I mean i can do the same look

[upbeat garden]

he has the account banned when he logins

for a second I was happy

[alpine wraith]

very likely he got involved in some rmt things he can alwyays try to reach again to support or post on reddit/twitter and see how it goes

[upbeat garden]

He only bought gold with money

but how can they check that?

[vale pine]

watch his token purchase history

[sly shore]

one of those gotta be bis bud

[scarlet heath]

We repret to inform

[alpine wraith]

likely he got caugh in the 100 tickets a day speedrun

[sly shore]

It looks made up

[alpine wraith]

what amazes me is he got a 6 month then they did a perma

[sly shore]

as in, someone did something to get banned and they made it themselves

to try and rationalise it

[alpine wraith]

damn kieron been around

didnt think on that

[sly shore]

"man blizzard banned me and they gave me this message"

[upbeat garden]

Idk its weird , someday he'll confess

[keen dome]

It looks very fake

[misty compass]

True, like there's absolutely no reason for blizzard to write "all coins, achievements, legendary items" etc

And "wiped out" is wild too

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's also not how a ban works. They don't delete the account haha

[tender dust]

I got banned before and they just closed down the account, and then you just make a new account within the same battle net. the only thing you lose is the characters + the gold.

But you sitll have everything

all the achievements

[keen dome]

Ye

[vale pine]

they can't legally

its funny

[keen dome]

My load-bearing /played is too precious

[torn tide]

that would be fucking crazy to delete an account with the ban

[vale pine]

like, you can get banned

then just buy a new game

and still have a lot of stuff thats bound to your account rather than a character

[tender dust]

You even have still all your transmorgs also

[left shale]

4. would be the xpac after last titan or at least the end of it.

[tender dust]

true

[vale pine]

so, while you lose some things, a ban isn't the end of the world

that does not mean, you should try to get banned

[tender dust]

I bought like 5 mill gold on that account and they perma'd me for it and i bought a new sub + legion and all my previous transmorg were still there including achievements and so on

[keen dome]

They took your coins 🙁

[tender dust]

Yeah

But they can't take my fatebound coins away from me

[keen dome]

Or can they

[tender dust]

After last titan maybe

[thick jasper]

sadg

[lilac stag]

That’s an “I used an addon to play the game for me repeatedly and tried to save face AI slop for guild/friends” creation if I’ve ever seen one.

[tender dust]

They cheap shot me + kidney in the opener and evis +7 combo pointed me

[hollow spear]

That sounds like something I would have made up when I was 12 for why I didn't do my homework.

[keen dome]

They took his coins

[hollow spear]

That's what Google's AI has to say about such cases.

[hollow spear]

Didn't even catch that hahaha

[azure thicket]

i just looked at wowhead spec ranks

sub does kinda does feel like a b

[hollow spear]

They should have added "multiple Cutting Edge achievements", it doesn't contain enough self praise

Sub feels like an S

[vale pine]

hmm, isn't that the definition of llm's

🙈

[hollow spear]

You could argue

[vale pine]

to be fair, i like to go into detail too when explaining things

and i am not lying or add context to make things up ^^

[azure thicket]

assa is a d

:y

[hollow spear]

That's a bit of an understatement, fuu

Assa is clearly A

Can't convince me otherwise

[vale pine]

oh ye, i got this updated tier list for the beta tuning changes

assa clearly a

[keen dome]

no, we're an S.

see??

[hollow spear]

Why is unholy bottom tier? Are you smoking crack, fuu?!

[azure thicket]

icy veins, looky

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-dps-tier-list

[hollow spear]

That list is garbage

[keen dome]

Fuu's tier list is the only tier list worth any value.

[azure thicket]

outlaw is clearly fine tm

[keen dome]

Because it is factually correct.

[hollow spear]

Fuu's list is the only bis tierlist

[lilac stag]

tbf we assume you’re a bot at times.

[hollow spear]

Where's naowh's tier list of all the other tier lists?

[azure thicket]

im gonna need blizzard to deposit about 1000 agi onto my sub rogues' face and smile thanks

[vale pine]

S tier is: __S__hadow, __S__urvival, **S**ubtlety, ...
Maybe its now logical why __U__nholy isn't too bad for the list

[hollow spear]

It's crazy

[vale pine]

petition to rename unholy to slaughter

so it can be in s tier

[keen dome]

Skeleton

duh

[hollow spear]

No flame, but your sarcasm radar might be the worst I've ever seen fuu

[lilac stag]

Fury auto attack dmg pumping in m+

[vale pine]

haha ye, never was that great

[hollow spear]

Fuu is an LLM confirmed!

[lilac stag]

That’s part of the beauty of this channel

[azure thicket]

a shub rogue*

lol, lmao

[tulip light]

i know its pre patch and shit doesnt matter but - https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/Simy - what do i get from my last puzzle chip (all items unlocked)

[hollow spear]

Maybe we'll be dom rogue eventually so they have to move us down in the tier list

[hollow spear]

Maybe some transmog?

[azure thicket]

i think turning the pedro sound effect on has priority(was stuffing face lol)

could get a ring if you pug a few mythic kills

if it's a really good group you can get dimmy in 2-3 hours

[vagrant fulcrum]

sin clearly s

[lilac stag]

It’s assa smh my head

[torn tide]

exactly, how dare u doubt fuu's tierlisting

[vale pine]

@lilac stag finally

hmm, i might need to record again -.-

[torn tide]

u do youtube vids?

[wind cosmos]

Guys

how's sub

[lilac stag]

When TC needs video replay.

@wind cosmos
Guys
It’s still sub

[torn tide]

u should play it, its on S tier(trust fuu's tierlist)

[wind cosmos]

idk what class to play

tbh

[lilac stag]

Whatever you find fun

[torn tide]

real

[lilac stag]

If you’re gonna meta chase. Come back in 2 months

[vale pine]

time to start up resolve ^^

[lilac stag]

You can do it

Interesting. Quazii UI turing into a community fork. https://github.com/zol-wow/QUI

[tender dust]

I love it so much that people don't have any clue how this tierlist works

makes me laugh

[torn tide]

easy for u surely

[lilac stag]

Did you try it with better ping on live?

[vale pine]

i can cut it to show frames in a video editor, so i can analyze it somewhat reasonable

[vale pine]

no but its interessting

can maybe record on live too in a minute or two

[lilac stag]

I’ll look at it on the PC in a few. Chilling with the pups right now.

[tender dust]

GLOOMBLADE????

[vale pine]

the lag is higher than the delay between dance and strike

i might also need to record at higher frame rate

[lilac stag]

You prob need to be at 120 to slow it down

[vale pine]

you can go frame by frame in the video editor

so your quantization is based on frame rate

even at 30 fps recording

you already have steps of 1000/30 = 33 ms

alright, lets see

[lilac stag]

Are you running 400 sq or 200 or less

[sly shore]

wonder when you're going to get a new pc fuu

what a glorious day that will be

[vale pine]

default, as its not my pc

[sly shore]

[vale pine]

i actually think about getting a new laptop

mainly because nameplates cause 2 fps drops

[sly shore]

bad time to buy one tbh

[vale pine]

it is

[sly shore]

drop a few grand go on do it

[vale pine]

and i am not that high on $$$ too ^^

[sly shore]

finance?

[vale pine]

ye

neverless, let me quick test on retail

[sly shore]

That's what I did for my PC

0% over 12 months

makes life easier

[lilac stag]

It’s interesting Costco, like their hotdogs, seems to be priced insanely well for prebuilts.

Costco working to save America from itself.

[sly shore]

I'd still rather build my own

Unless it's a real good deal

and they haven't skimped on something

usually they skimp on psu or mobo or cooling

[lilac stag]

Nah they’re genuinely well done prebuilts.

Esp for the cost savings

[hollow spear]

I would buy it in store though, heard a lot of nightmares about shipping

[lilac stag]

they just don’t gouge. Gas for example it’s 2,85/g all the normal stations. Their gas is 2.29/g right now.

We spend $130/yr for the membership but save that alone in fuel.

[hollow spear]

Even though I never buy prebuilt anyways, I need the fun of messing something up during installation and then doing problem solving for ten hours

[lilac stag]

I feel that.

[fleet wharf]

Ikea effect is also a real thing too

[lilac stag]

Eggs are always the fun one in the states (still). Local grocery was 4.99 for a dozen. Paid 3.79 for 2 dozen. I think we’ve moved almost all of our shopping their except for produce, we do aldi

[torn tide]

that isnt so bad

[torn tide]

fr everything is nuts in price rn

[hollow spear]

especially nuts

[vale pine]

the recording was in 60 fps

so its half of that (~17ms)

but ye, should be more than enough

[torn tide]

yes especially nuts

[vale pine]

i often need the portability of a laptop, i would else consider building myself

alright, lets see

i recorded on retail, maybe i get diffrent results

[torn tide]

time for a gaming laptop

[thorny wagon]

Chubbybrah is confused...

[brave carbon]

That guys tiktok is full of stolen materials, housing things that he's stealing from other creators and saying that he's the one building it etc xD im so fed up on this guy

[thorny wagon]

Hes the only streamer i hate watch

Hes full of shit

[brave carbon]

Yea, getting worse and worse

[meager creek]

8%

[brave carbon]

Btw, is there alot of changes coming from prepatch to beta? Build/playstyle wise

[lilac stag]

Ah the MB legion rogue videos and streams were classics

[thorny wagon]

He is also a narcissist and egocentric. He believes he knows everything, is the best at everything, and if you give him even the slightest suggestion, he bannes you and then talks about you for another hour.

[lilac stag]

A bit more to pay attention to with apex, nothing crazy.

[brave carbon]

THIS is soo true! Everytime i go into his stream

[brave carbon]

Okey cool!

[lilac stag]

wait you all actually watch him?

[thorny wagon]

Yeah like an accident

[brave carbon]

Sometimes ye xD When there's nothing els to watch haha

[lilac stag]

falling into his marketing strategy.

[brave carbon]

Yea, but now i havent watched him at all since s2 atleast ^^

Rather put on a yt playlist

[thorny wagon]

Your missing out on his new "insane" UIs

Overbloated, way to colorfull and big, tracking stuff you never need etc...

Its funny to watch

[hollow spear]

You don't have enough muscle to understand

[thorny wagon]

TRUE

[brave carbon]

Neither does he any longer xD

[thorny wagon]

Having obesity and call yourself the Musclebrah is wild

[fleet acorn]

Ye this guy thinks hes jpc 2.0

[brave carbon]

Love that everyone thinks the same about him xD

[lilac stag]

I mean he wasn’t exactly swol in legion when he started.

Just loud

he’s managed to survive as a wow streamer. Good on him

[brave carbon]

But he was pretty decent back in the days or? Think i've seen something about him being MDI champion?

[lilac stag]

most people in here just know him from playing rogue.

Idk what he did mdi wise.

The assa garrote video is the best

[torn tide]

how untalented do u have to be to steal content from other creators

[lilac stag]

@final wasp a little help #subtlety message

[thorny wagon]

Where he plays without looking ?

[brave carbon]

Yea i even left a comment about that but got removed very quickly xD

[torn tide]

wait is that word not allowed, im sorry if it isnt

[lilac stag]

The assa m+ opener shenanigans that was just random shit

[thorny wagon]

Oh that one on the dummys true

[slate marlin]

fucking 40k bro

i never understood what he says right after that

[vale pine]

what did i miss?

[thorny wagon]

Just some Musclebrah talk

[vale pine]

he is an entertainer

any streamer is if you think about it

[thorny wagon]

True true

[vale pine]

he played rogue in mdi

but now just plays whatever he likes

which isn't too bad

[tulip light]

is he even playing anymore? whenever i checked for like the past two seasons he was standing at a dummy copy pasting some weakauras

all speccs every class every patch every addon full cycle - it never stops

[brisk onyx]

The last time I saw him play rogue was probably during Legion ~ BFA.

[lilac stag]

@thorny wagon https://youtu.be/6-wINzrcgMM

[brisk onyx]

At first I even mistook him for JPC

[tulip light]

on another note - is there any droptimizer like feature working at the moment?

[thorny wagon]

Yeah thats the one !

[lilac stag]

Just add items to top gear

only current solution

[brave carbon]

That was before he became chubbybrah

Looks like a different person

[slate marlin]

what does he say at the end

after the fucking 40k dude

[final wasp]

[thorny wagon]

"Boop how da fuck yo lets go"

[torn tide]

lmfao rip

[thorny wagon]

https://youtu.be/fvpacZl93CY?si=obxLXimBhbbGAu63&t=236

Timestamp...

Bro

[dry flame]

Back in BFA I was even helping some of the groups with his viewers run.
I remember at one point i came into the chat, and his mods were pressuring people constantly to subscribe, and I said that's kinda weird, and I got timed out (while i was in the party helping). Kinda stopped interacting after

it is what it is

[final wasp]

Ah yes, another example of a streamer who is unable to take accountability for mistakes either out of game or ingame. We love those

[dry flame]

there are plenty of positive content creators for wow, so we just gotta focus on those

[final wasp]

(hate)Watching his mythic prog in liberty of undermine gave some instant classics

[dry flame]

what happened there? I kinda took a break from DF until recently

[final wasp]

He wiped his raid repeatedly on mugzee and blamed everyone but himself the trend continued to the last boss

Like, getting the red circle and never moving out of raid kinda deal

[dry flame]

it's a viewer raid - people there are supposed to WATCH him and play around, isn't that the deal?

[tribal blade]

but my uptime

[final wasp]

No, this was a legitimate prog raid with a group he participated with

[tribal blade]

how am i supposed to flex on everyone if i do mechanics

[lilac stag]

Just be a terrorist and kill the guy trying to parse

Example.

Cloak is amazing for killing shaman.

[haughty mural]

good DfA Boss

[dry flame]

just like Kin'garoth

[lilac stag]

I forgot to tag you. #subtlety message

[haughty mural]

Oh thats cool

[acoustic lodge]

Man what’s with these nerfs

[maiden oar]

we were very strong on beta

[plush roost]

Sum ting wong

Wei tu loe

Hoo lee fook

[fleet acorn]

for sub is that enough to track with buffs?

i track dance/sblades under my combo points with essentials

[hazy breach]

Flawless form, silent storm and lingering are all useless too

[fleet acorn]

so basically just that is enough?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-urkel-jaleel-white-look-what-you-did-see-what-you-done-unimpressed-gif-15136944

[fleet acorn]

and premed just for fun ty

[surreal knoll]

Haste break point is to ensure second sec tech in blades right?

[hazy breach]

No, to get more globals in dance

[plush roost]

Dw if i have my ring proc and my alnseeker stacked and 60 stacks of my feather and the sun and moon align and its 7:57pm on the fifth wrdnesday of a month and also all 3 hits of sec tec crit, i can do half of that

[surreal knoll]

Ohhhh ok, do we always get second sec tech or is that not possible? I saw it had some level of CDR but I have my old vers mas gear and it’s not possible to line them up for two as my sec tech CD is 22 seconds.

[plush roost]

Oh wait whats that? Touch has a 75% damage done dot attached to it now too? Oh okay nvm

[maiden oar]

wizard so cool

[plush roost]

In lust you can 2x sec tec during blades

Thats about the only time u really do

[maiden oar]

is it neutral with waiting to supercharge it still

i dont know what to believe anymore

[plush roost]

Ye but in keys getting it on cd means you align dance and dont have to send a naked sec tec or hold

[maiden oar]

oh ok yea

[surreal knoll]

So without lust you just send your second sec tech in the next dance, even if outside of blades?

[plush roost]

Yes, you want to supercharge sec tec as much as possible

[surreal knoll]

Roger dodger, thank you!

[chrome palm]

I don’t really buy this you’re telling me ninja/pirate/assassin is less appealing than a fire breathing scaly twink?

I think people just don’t want to play a class that won’t get invited to keys as easily

[severe linden]

and not buggy

[graceful osprey]

It’s over, sub rogue is doomed

[severe linden]

Arcane SS is currently BUSTED

[plush roost]

Rogue would be very popular if it had:

A good leveling experience
Self sustain for solo content
Wasnt complicated as fuck for 3 years

[severe linden]

they over tuned the shit out of it

[plush roost]

Thief archtype is very popular fantasy archtype

[warm marlin]

The lowly bugged shadowstrike clone crititng for 700k in a single iteration vs the gigachad touch of the magi just doing it 3x in real gameplay

[severe linden]

And stealth / restealth being a aprt of it

[void ocean]

ppl care bout leveling experience now?

[severe linden]

having to restealth in open world stuff killed combat so like why

[swift tinsel]

I like being Evie Frye from AC: Syndicate

just real sneaky

ooo I should make a transmog of her

[void ocean]

lvl exp is just some nuisance u need to get over with in an afternoon, just rip the bandaid

[plush roost]

Its your first time playing wow and you make a rogue, everything kills you and you do no damage and you have no energy regen. "Man this is really boring let me try hunter"

[graceful osprey]

Never liked having to restealth for certain buffs and what not

[plush roost]

Is a very real thing

[swift tinsel]

leveling a rogue is often what I hear from guildmates as to why they don't want to and they end up buying boosts

[chrome palm]

Leveling rogue is like eating sand

[severe linden]

Thats a problem though lol

[void ocean]

i havent lvled from lvl 1 for a looong time

[severe linden]

like if that is your experience why would you want to play it at end game

[void ocean]

i did it in vanilla 2 months ago

[plush roost]

I made a rogue on lemix

Id like to think im good at the spec

[warm marlin]

I levelled a rogue from 1 about a year ago and it was indeed turbo ass

[plush roost]

Levels 1-60

[swift tinsel]

I think I made my rogue in cata? and I couldn't imagine leveling from scratch again

[warm marlin]

And it was turbo ass in remix too

[graceful osprey]

Rogue leveling in classic feels good compared to retail

[plush roost]

Was some of the worst gameplay i have ever done

[chrome palm]

The problem is

Both versions play the same

In leveling

[swift tinsel]

classic is also an extremely different leveling ecosystem

[chrome palm]

But one of them is classic

[warm marlin]

Press dance -> press strike -> press evis -> wait for energy for 4s since no relentless

[chrome palm]

Also why would you make a rogue alt

[plush roost]

I loved doing the dalaran starting quest on lemix.

Sinister strike sinister strike

Wait

Still waiting

Sinister strike

[warm marlin]

I levelled as sub in heroic world tier and it was very stupid

Died to 3 mobs with dance btw

[swift tinsel]

lmao thats so icky

[plush roost]

I leveled as outlaw LOL

[lilac stag]

Made a rogue in mop remix and legion remix both as outlaw.

[plush roost]

Thats purentorture

[warm marlin]

I was remembering mop and it was actually fun

[graceful osprey]

Assassination always felt like the better leveling experience for me out of the three specs

[void ocean]

switch to vanilla and u get parried by a crocodile... i swear blizz needs some thesaurus or at least a dictionary...

[swift tinsel]

bfa remix next lfg

if they add corruption gear that'll be a blast

[plush roost]

Them crocodile teethies parried ur blade

[lilac stag]

Tail Parry

[plush roost]

Simply outmatched

[graceful osprey]

We need shadowlands remix, shadowmix

[void ocean]

counter riposte... best move i've ever seen

[swift tinsel]

smix would hit pretty good

[plush roost]

How about tww remix??

[swift tinsel]

experiencing sanctum without dom shards would be lovely

[plush roost]

8^)

[lilac stag]

midnight remix. Talents all come back.

[warm marlin]

Also fun fact

You get blades before backstab now

And sinister strike isn’t on the blades whitelist

So it doesn’t do anything

[swift tinsel]

[radiant swift]

hella intresting perceptions - yesterday in mage channel there was a conses sub has been easy forever

[swift tinsel]

mages are also insanely delulu in general

[radiant swift]

its so funny how

[graceful osprey]

I don’t know…what if energy was just taken out of rogue…

[radiant swift]

every discord says tyhat about the others

[lilac stag]

The old outlaw approach. Ignores both resources. Profit.

[radiant swift]

hasnt sub been hard af last season_

[chrome palm]

Compared to mage I definitely don’t think sub from last season was easy

[radiant swift]

or like before prepatch

oh arcane was super easy bnut to be fair they did say that

[lilac stag]

Sub confuses the fuck out of players. The cds were disjointed and you had to make sure they lined up.

[chrome palm]

Sub was one of the few specs where you can’t use cds off cd

[upbeat cradle]

Easy to do no damage with yes

[chrome palm]

So you actually have to think about when you use them

[radiant swift]

how do u go on about this? like what is the thinking pattern u have to have about cds

[swift tinsel]

and we don't have a Porom WA to cruise control gameplay

[radiant swift]

obv now its more streamline but

[graceful osprey]

lol kinda

[maiden oar]

i hand leveled 4 rogues in the span of a month

[radiant swift]

how do u decice between holding, sending, etc

[maiden oar]

i think maybe i am mentally ill

[swift tinsel]

fight timers

[chrome palm]

You used to have 1 minute CDs on secret technique and dance and they had different rates of CDR for both of those, you also had a third CD

[graceful osprey]

I have 5 rogues lol

[radiant swift]

this seems easy enough in raid but what about m+\

[lilac stag]

My RL. This is basically every non sub rogue players view of the spec.

[swift tinsel]

since our damage outside of cooldowns was so low, it only really mattered where you allocated your cooldownd damage

[chrome palm]

Which had no cdr, so you basically had to make sure you had two of secret technique, dance, and symbols (third cd they removed) for every shadow blades

[radiant swift]

so it was more of a align or not thing

do i need big now or

can i afford to do a bit less but more later

[chrome palm]

If you used those CDs when they came up, they wouldn’t be up for blades or you wouldn’t have two of each in blades

[swift tinsel]

sub mage tower was so wildly easy too

[radiant swift]

but does it go beyond just lining them

[chrome palm]

I’d say so

[lilac stag]

There’s very little lining up of cds anymore (pre-12.x) and often when you did line up cds on other specs it was just a macro. Very much how sub is going forward.

[chrome palm]

You also had instances of desyncng your minor cds from each other

When you could get extra usages

[maiden oar]

u could also symbols just to farm resources

in fights like dimmy and nexus king

[radiant swift]

intresting

[chrome palm]

Also, if you look at what top sub rogues were doing on like dimensius platform 2 to pre stack the amp

That was very technical

[ripe flame]

You had a lot of rotating pieces but some were rotating at 15 mph others at 10mph and then you had ones that were moving at a constant speed and you had to balance them to make sure you had all of them when you needed them basically

[radiant swift]

that does sound like fun even if hard

[chrome palm]

It wasn’t that crazy it just came from experience mostly

[maiden oar]

i think people exaggerated the difficulty somewhat

[graceful osprey]

It was pure dopamine when the stars aligned
And when you pop netherprisim at 18 stacks

[lilac stag]

Plate spinning is crazy for the vast majority of WoW players

[maiden oar]

was more strange to wrap your head around at first

than anything else

but still had more going on than many other specs

[lilac stag]

SV Legion has that issue

[radiant swift]

yeah until u get it once

it was weird to read def

[upbeat cradle]

I have 19 characters, 12 are lvl 80, out of those 12, 4 are rogues

[maiden oar]

rogue is so cool

[upbeat cradle]

I don't think it was as difficult as it was different from what most players were used to with other classes

[chrome palm]

oh and im not sure if youve played beta mieux but you also have a third resource to track as sub, in pre patch its irrelevant however

[lilac stag]

You’ll look back at this at some point in your life and wonder what the fuck was I doing with my life?!?!

[maiden oar]

nah its fine

[upbeat cradle]

The stack you have to cancel before sectrch ?

[chrome palm]

shadow techniques but

also you dont really need to cancelaura it really

premeditation bug does that by accident

[maiden oar]

i wonder if its a bug

premeds always done that

as long as ive played

[chrome palm]

i think definitely a bug

[maiden oar]

maybe premed is supposed to be evil

[chrome palm]

plays too clunky on beta for it not to be

if it wasnt before it is now

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[radiant swift]

no i was hard commited to mage unfort - came back home - did follow a bit true guide and what people wrote in the discord, but tbh it seemed so weird and hard to understand at first

[maiden oar]

i liked taking advantage of that property of premed to prevent the symbols bug from happening

where itd just forcibly -7 your sht and give you cp if you had superchargers and pressed symbols

[radiant swift]

the problem is a bit if u are unware of all these interactions and whatnot its hard and even if u do, the optimazations are still weird

[chrome palm]

yeah

[radiant swift]

just like the things u guys mention before where u strike at full cp for an apex proc

like

who wanna put up with that

[chrome palm]

ok that is less intuitive than like anything we were doing last season

besides maybe the striking at full cp for coup on one fight

[radiant swift]

i mean its cool there is

even if its abusing somenthing that probably shouldnt be a thing

[maiden oar]

i never did this i am a noob

[chrome palm]

it was just for dimmy and it was a gamble

[maiden oar]

yea

[radiant swift]

will see

sub is actualy not that unfun

it could use just a little bit of spice

[maiden oar]

i heard about it but i hate gambling

i am a coward!

[chrome palm]

but if you held the ICD on UB from platform 2, you would have coup + 3 saved UBs

so you would storm first builders after flag on dimmy burn

and then you would need to do an extra strike at some point to gamble the tier set

[maiden oar]

[chrome palm]

feelsniceman

[maiden oar]

so strong

[chrome palm]

oh and youre also gambling on storm proccing FW unless youre a freak like bingus and you played the rotten

[maiden oar]

i was doing the cancelaura snd macro thing to bring extra ubs in but i stopped bc i didnt feel like it made me stronger

[chrome palm]

what were you cancel auraing

[maiden oar]

u could use a cancelaura snd macro to spend cp without losing superchargers

to farm cdr on sectech

[chrome palm]

oh right

[maiden oar]

funny spec

[chrome palm]

i only was using that on nexus king

[maiden oar]

i tried it on both and stopped on both

[chrome palm]

i hope they fix that premed bug man 😭

[maiden oar]

would be nice

[chrome palm]

and the secret technique not doing damage with the apex

[maiden oar]

i think itll be more awkward if they only fix one of those

having both at the same time kinda bandaids it hehe

[chrome palm]

i think its fine to consume it with secret technique if youll overcap sht which is probably common in your 90s with that on use haste trinket

[maiden oar]

yea maybe

i wonder if theyll bandaid it like the blades flrury thing

[chrome palm]

thats how it works for coup right now

its just one big hit coup clone

[maiden oar]

and just make apex have a special multiplier for the first hit of sectech

ah ok

[chrome palm]

they probably didnt bother or its bugged for secret techniqueb ecause of pets ig

[maiden oar]

so sad

[chrome palm]

im just not a fan of the apex in general take away that generator requirement man

[maiden oar]

yea if it worked like old shadowcraft id be happier

the wording is so confusing too

[chrome palm]

its not like you dont need to track sht either, you have to track it to know if you can strike extra

obviously not intended but

its just funny how it leads to less intuitive gameplay when they try to make it simpler

[warm marlin]

and araz hello???

huge araz technological advances

[chrome palm]

yeah bro i was not doing that for araz

that bitch had a 3 second amp because my boomkin was getting juiced and evaporating it

[maiden oar]

damaging attacks that expend shadow techniques to generate combo points vs after attacks that generate combo points

the distinction in the tooltip is really unclear

[warm marlin]

start your burn earlier smh

[chrome palm]

i did X(

i was flagging the immune lul

maybe if i did my burst while he was still immune i would be able to get through it all first

[warm marlin]

he was hittable for like 6s after he stopped being immune but before the amp right?

that's not terrible

ig if ur amp is literally 3s its still bad

[chrome palm]

no i was hitting him for that

[maiden oar]

i thought u wanted to flag during this period even early into the patch

[chrome palm]

my logic was that it was just like pre-ramping for the actual amp

[maiden oar]

like not at the start of the 6s but

[chrome palm]

when he becomes hittable

we just had an actual 3s burn

[warm marlin]

yeah but you could technically flag him even earlier while still immune and start blades during that 6s

[maiden oar]

yea

[warm marlin]

but if your amp is 3s its just cooked

gg

[maiden oar]

evil chicken

[warm marlin]

have more people playing full aoe build to try to pad next time

[maiden oar]

did you try and stack flag while hes immune

[chrome palm]

mb i got a shadowcraft refund at the wrong time

[maiden oar]

or was the loss of sht too bad

[chrome palm]

the adds are all dead in the global before

gg

[warm marlin]

you have triple dance and you can triple sectec in flag

so no

[maiden oar]

ah ok yea

[warm marlin]

also sectec->coup is like 28/30 flag stacks that you get before the clones hit

and you get the FF and such before the clones hit

[maiden oar]

oh i misread i think

i thought u meant flagging him like deep into the immune and that thought never crossed my mind before reading ur post

i was amazed at the genius technology

[chrome palm]

that is tier iv tech you dont talk about that in public channels

along with g______s build

[maiden oar]

hehehe

[warm marlin]

192M st burst in 0.4s 😭 never again

[maiden oar]

[warm marlin]

rip flag

[maiden oar]

infinite flawless form so cool

[chrome palm]

go again the last titan

whats even the point

[warm marlin]

the 51M sectec dream

[maiden oar]

maybe i should look @ this stuff i have no idea how much dmg any button i press does

[wild vine]

Actually yeah. Even more so nowadays where everyone wants to be a shiny hero.
Even in games like LA where they got the booba-bonus and are arguably well designed flashy characters, they are mid to low end in popularity

Same for bdo

[maiden oar]

in lost ark u wear the mokoko suit anyway

[wild vine]

And in both they are top end performance wise

[warm marlin]

this wasnt with the PV meme build right?

i dont think i ever got u to try it

[chrome palm]

no i dont think so

i just gambled the fw crit on storm

or maybe i just used strike actually and got disgusting luck

[fleet acorn]

love how i dont have a fatigue bar or waterbreathing on unhalted unit frames xd

[warm marlin]

the only time i ever executed the sequence correctly and was playing the build I just highrolled anyway

into double 2p proc

did have to strike at full cp though

too many sht

[tulip light]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[celest wyvern]

hello everyone ppl who use platynator my minions nameplates are so small and i couldnt find where can i make them like normal nameplates?

[delicate pasture]

8% nerf to sub for what? lol did sub really perform that good on beta or its just a "testing the waters nerf"

[vale pine]

we will see more tuning

[lilac stag]

It was performing quite well in m+ with good players

[swift tinsel]

you can select which style minion nameplates inherit

[celest wyvern]

oin which section mate?

[swift tinsel]

iirc its Styles or something like that

I don't remember all the header names

maybe Behavior

[swift tinsel]

ye so remove minions from Simplified

minions and/or minors whichever you're trying to swap

then in style select you can choose what style they inherit

[celest wyvern]

what is simlified section in style select?

[swift tinsel]

I'm at work so I can't see what the pane looks like

[charred kestrel]

Just enable them? It’s been said in his disc.

[brave carbon]

Hmm, should i buy, boots, ritual forge/Lily + antenna as my dinar buys?

[sullen hare]

How's your haste looking?

I think screams is your best bang for your buck from that vendor but I think there are rogues running perfidious now

Because I think there was a paradigm shift and we want direct damage trinkets in prepatch

Not that it's gonna be relevant in a month 🙂

There's also:

Left is m+ right is raiding

[brave carbon]

Im at 32% haste atm:)

[sullen hare]

Then yeah I'd just go with whatever's in the guides

[vale pine]

best is to sim for your gear tho

and it does not matter much in raids

[brave carbon]

Sims work again?

[vale pine]

!sheet has simulations

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

and sims work

ye

[woeful wren]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[sullen hare]

I personally didn't bother swapping out my trinkets because imo prepatch is a silly place and time to optimize DPS

[broken seal]

hey !

[brave carbon]

Yea bosses die super fast, wanna learn as much as i can cause i havent played rogue much before

[woeful wren]

@vale pine on beta DSM wouldn't lose a stack as long as DN was up btw

Think its a new bug

[hazy breach]

Its not a bug

That was a bug in tww, they changed it to purposefully work like that in midnight

Its mentioned in the tooltip

[brave carbon]

Yea i know but my rogue was 670 ilvl before prepatch, and i wanna learn it=)

[sullen hare]

Fair enough

[broken seal]

Do you guys know if we have a public folder which shows us the actuals spells/passiv bugged for the subtely rogue ?

[woeful wren]

Doesn't the tooltip say the Evi itself won't lose a stack. Not that if u reapply mark via strike that BP couldn't proc

[vale pine]

its basically a bug they added to the tooltip

[sullen hare]

There's a spreadsheet yeah

[lilac stag]

That’s why you optimize trinkets. Lily/Forge + projector let you take advantage of the short kill times.

[sullen hare]

I don't remember the command for it though

[hazy breach]

Yes it should say finishers

[broken seal]

arghhh

[sullen hare]

!cloak

[vale pine]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[sullen hare]

There you go

[hazy breach]

But the way it works is intended

[lilac stag]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

@vale pine worth copying the outlaw !ui?

[woeful wren]

Well that sucks

[hazy breach]

Why do you think people have been hating on deathstalker all this time

[brave carbon]

Yea but since they die so fast i was thinking more about m+ xD Lily does line up with blades so that should be really nice

[lilac stag]

Lily+passive for m+

[vale pine]

possibly

[woeful wren]

It just makes no sense in an aoe rotation

That we're forced to evi

[sullen hare]

IDK if you saw that @broken seal
#subtlety message

[hazy breach]

Correct

[swift tinsel]

!bugs

[lilac stag]

Forces SnD reapplication.

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[brave carbon]

yea, and hope i get lucky with projector drop instead=)

[woeful wren]

I mean generally we're opening with strike evi to get snd

[lilac stag]

in pure aoe? Doubt

[broken seal]

yes i saw but i still didnt find it until the nyanmoroes sent a link XDD

[woeful wren]

it makes sense if we're playing around sht resets (at least to me) to strike > evi > storm > play ur combo

[broken seal]

That's what I thought but in addition, am I the only one who has an issue with the marks when I use black powder ? Sometimes Black powder doesn't consume a mark

[hazy breach]

Its not a bug

[lilac stag]

It makes sense to me to not touch DS except to toss it in the bin until they actually address the issues it faces.

[hazy breach]

Its intended to not remove any stacks if you have darkest night up

[lilac stag]

in before another 30% BP buff

[hazy breach]

To "force" you to use the DN eviscerate even in large aoe

[woeful wren]

It would be fine if DN dmg amp went into the clone replicate T_T

I wouldn't feel nearly as bad

[lilac stag]

maybe Goremaw just needs to be able to move the mark.

[broken seal]

mmmmmmmmmmmh okay that's make sense now but (maybe i'm stupid) but DN only talks about Eviscerate with the buff. Guess it is not that explicit. but thank you for that now ahah

[woeful wren]

@hazy breach btw tho, is the first dance bugged too. it seems to provide a hasted benefit

[left ledge]

Maybe remove goremaw

I’m actually ok with just removing goremaw and not getting anything instead

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt say thats a bug either

[slate marlin]

maybe add dn to mass casualty

[lilac stag]

Leave bae alone.

[left ledge]

What’s dn

[woeful wren]

so we're losing a lot if we're not playing around it in m+ then by the looks

[swift tinsel]

I still want DN to store % of mass casualty damage

whispers of combo

[lilac stag]

6-7

[timber tusk]

Hello everyone, I have a question for you all: Do you also have the bug where, when you take the So Tricky talent, which is supposed to extend the duration of Tricks of the Trade to 1 hour, the duration still only lasts 30 seconds?

[swift tinsel]

you need to hit something

[left ledge]

It’s one hour after you start transferring threat

Tricks is two separate buffs

[lilac stag]

Hit DN?

[sullen hare]

If they brought back the 1 hour tricks icon above our heads people wouldn't be confused

[timber tusk]

So I give this to a tank, and whenever I hit something, the duration is extended even if it has expired?

[swift tinsel]

if you're into that ig

[left ledge]

When is our tank spec coming out again?

[swift tinsel]

the 30 sec buff lasts until you start transferring threat, then its just a persisten 60min threat transfer

[lilac stag]

You have 30 seconds to hit something after casting it. Then it lasts for 1 hour or death.

[left ledge]

Persistent it is indeed

[slate marlin]

pressing tricks starts a 30 second timer in which u need to hit something. once you hit it you start to redirect threat to the target

[left ledge]

Love when we are wiping and they release but tricks is still on

[lilac stag]

I think you need to hit something in the first 30 seconds

[left ledge]

[swift tinsel]

we need at least four other people to say the same thing

[swift tinsel]

I'm so fucking glad this is gone lol

looked like LoL emoting a whole dungeon

[timber tusk]

Ahhh, okay! Thank you so much all for your reply. I only tested it off combat and was like, hmm, am I stupid? It's only 30 seconds!!!

[left ledge]

Yes

[lilac stag]

Be careful asking the am I stupid question in here

[swift tinsel]

we're not outlaw

[slate marlin]

the answer will be yes

[sullen hare]

I miss it dearly because it added to rogue's mystique tbh

[swift tinsel]

running people out of the discord for liking something

[slate marlin]

what if they enjoy ds?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-first-class-x-men-mystic-jennifer-lawrence-transformation-gif-4312483

[sullen hare]

Would

[swift tinsel]

we pray for them quietly

[sullen hare]

Even if she killed me after. Would.

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/mapache-pedro-gif-7206648027763736533

[left ledge]

I’m a DS enjoyer

Deathly Shadows

[slate marlin]

ill pray for you

little friend

[azure thicket]

i shant

[swift tinsel]

Rebecca Romijn Mystique was an awakening

[brave carbon]

Anyone have an addon or something that shows ilvl of ppl when inspecting them or in the tooltip?

[sullen hare]

I don't know of anything that does that or if it's even possible but I bet you could vibe code it

My raid leader for whatever reason really struggles with bag sorting so I vibe coded her a simple addon where all it does is the bag sort direction so adding target's ilvl to a tooltip should be fairly easy right?

[torn tide]

good man

[vale pine]

so, is this in melee range or not?

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

Needs more vfx

[dreamy badger]

wtf is happening there

[vale pine]

pre patch event

[lilac stag]

Range yes. Stop getting obscured by boss’s abilities.

you can’t see the boss’ “smoke bomb” in all the other shit.

[keen dome]

Huh, damn, 12.0.1 coming next week

[vale pine]

hmm

this could be bad

oh, i think i own you an explenation

[swift tinsel]

nah its way more fun when its ominous like that

[sullen hare]

You mean no addon ability to clear spell effects like was used on Nexus King or what

[vale pine]

if you import your current talent tree on beta

[sullen hare]

Please don't tell me you krangled yourself old versions of talents or something

[vale pine]

what happens is, your general tree is reset

why is that so?

because the general tree has diffrent gates in midnight, so you unlock the last gate later

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-2925065937955910779

[keen dome]

Haha

[vale pine]

i show you waht i mean on wowhead

[keen dome]

It's bringing more features with it, at least. For the DPS meter, etc.

[lilac stag]

All three rogue specs on bottom 3 of logs no worries.

[keen dome]

I'm doing my part

To put us on the bottom of logs.

[lilac stag]

Is always show rogue one of them?

[keen dome]

Haha

[sullen hare]

If ret pally can be top 5 with a Fisher price rotation by golly dammit so can we

[swift tinsel]

I haven't logged since september

ope lol

[keen dome]

Don't worry, Haptics.

I'm online enough for everyone

[swift tinsel]

I mean I've logged in

[keen dome]

Oh. Logged as in

Right, hahaha

[swift tinsel]

but have done like zero relevant content lol

[lilac stag]

We’re mount farming for raiders. Done in 2 hours with all the raids. Perfect schedule

[swift tinsel]

no raid, no keys

[vale pine]

sorry if laggy, i have wow in the background running

[lilac stag]

I should setup my hunter ui

[vale pine]

so basically, you lose 2 points in the capstone area

which means, less dps talents

[keen dome]

Yeah

It's gonna be weird

[vale pine]

ill check the ptr tomorrow

and see if its updated

[keen dome]

I should've tried to pug Mythic today but I got lazy and did weird collectionism things instead.

[lilac stag]

Do it tomorrow?

I got the rogue to 169.33 ilvl with vault yesterday.

[fleet acorn]

its not to enable or disable

its a bug u just have to edit mode and close edit mode

[dreamy badger]

ah yes, clearly

[prime raft]

will apex talents not be available till march 2nd

@vale pine does mag'har orc lose its vaule with the stat squish is it better to go troll or normal orc

[keen dome]

They won't be available until you can level, so correct: Not until the 27th / 2nd of march.

[prime raft]

ty ❤️

[vale pine]

human is best in pre patch, but max level might change again

[prime raft]

ok ill rock with mag till 90

[swift tinsel]

I went human for the transmog

[graceful rock]

I might go back to belf for mog and passive shit, it’s annoying being a 1:30 spec w a 2 min racial

I wish arcane torrent was better

It gives you what, 10 energy?

[lilac stag]

it’s easy. Use on pull and 3 minutes

Just macro it and forget it

[graceful rock]

I see I forget too hard and forget the macro part

[prime raft]

yea i just use this

but yea human and belf fashion to good

[fleet acorn]

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Blood Fury(Racial)
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Secret Technique

[red flame]

How big is the difference between human & void elf

[vale pine]

not big

don't paly undead

and you are fine

(says the player who palys undead)

[slate marlin]

i too play undead

im not doing rank 1 content so i choose the coolest race

[muted girder]

Such a shame the coolest rogue race is actually the shittiest race to play rogue lol.

[prime raft]

my sec tech and CB are macroed together

[woeful wren]

Most iconic for sure

[prime raft]

Human is an amazing rogue race wym

[woeful wren]

Classic Human > Retail Human

(female at least)

[slate marlin]

racials are non relevant unless you are doing rly high content anyway

or pvp

[prime raft]

classic would be cool but i hate how they hold off hand wep

[muted girder]

Im not hating on human, thats what i am right now. But Undead is Peak rogue vibes.

[west tide]

dwarf rogue sick

[muted girder]

I wish at this point you could just pick what racials you wanted to use with any race. These races been around each other all these years, they could learn some stuff from each other... Let me be an undead with stone form

[prime raft]

ig as long as ur not gnome we good

[prime raft]

human with blood frenzy would be insane

and troll being meta for Sub in MOP kills my vibes

gotta look at them ugly ahh feet

[muted girder]

i get a little sad every raid i log in for mop because i have to play troll lmao

[woeful wren]

troll was wotlk meta too

[prime raft]

debating taking the L and going rerolling into orc

[muted girder]

Harder choice this patch since we are in TOT. Even extra value with the beast dmg

[fleet acorn]

theres no CB to macro

[radiant swift]

undead bis

[prime raft]

ig this is true

maybe just holding on for hope

[muted girder]

I still log on to my old OG Undead Twink Rogue back from TBC. Those were the days

[prime raft]

i am a human main in classic

sword/mace spec to good for both my classes

[upbeat smelt]

Draenei, space rogue best rogue.

Really useless everything just like the oddity of it.

[astral axle]

I think femme orcs look like better proportioned humans. And on the plus side their run animation doesn't look like they running for the toilet as they are holding in a turd

aint nothin subtle bout the human run animation

[warm marlin]

should use your tempered pot before dance to increase your haste (assuming that deepening insta updates)

[swift tinsel]

idk the orc lordosis posture looks kinda silly to me vs human

[tough solar]

Which one is better?

[astral axle]

bro they just caked up

(i will never unsee this now)

[swift tinsel]

its like the IG models who give themselves back problems bc they're trying to make their butts look bigger lol

[graceful osprey]

I think still tempered maybe
But jeez I’ve always had mixed thoughts about Stat squishing but blizzard does have a habit of make players have huge power increases during an expansion. Like coming from Nerubar Palace to Manaforge, dps was well over 4x

[tough solar]

it used to be from first raid tier to last raid tier 50% power increase. now its well over 400%

[spice monolith]

I've never been a doomer going into a patch

But this time feels rough

[swift tinsel]

nah that's pretty fair lol

[spice monolith]

More changes soon 🙏

[tough solar]

im actually looking forward towards midnight

its fine

[swift tinsel]

the cadence of changes slowed down really dramatically

which makes things feel worse imo

[spice monolith]

Same, just hope I can actually play rogue instead of rolling to something fotm first tier

Otl might be the saviours

[graceful osprey]

13.0 trust

[tough solar]

good rogue > shit warlock

[swift tinsel]

I'll be vibing as sub but will likely gripe about bugged shit as usual lol