subtlety

[swift tinsel]

but I would be surprised

[keen dome]

Maybe myth vault if you finish it

[wheat elk]

i feel like its a solo dungeon typa thing

[lilac stag]

I’m gonna try to sort outlaw next. Still have to figure out utility. I think I’m going back to 0% ready and then just visible when on cd for that stuff

[swift tinsel]

I could see that possibly

[bleak night]

too bad the rogues transmog sucked

[swift tinsel]

with how large it was from the preview

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

Sadly this is as cool as rogue will ever get in game

[void hound]

sounds good

[lilac stag]

Nah it was a banger. Something different. Not main character vibes.

[bleak night]

it was certainly something different

those words can be used to describe it

[vale osprey]

"we feel that blizzard teams have allocated sufficient resources to rogue recently, so no changes will be coming to rogue for the rest of midnight"

[tulip light]

Cursed Stone Idol: Best passive trinket from M+ - this is from the wowhead guide but im a bit confused since its an "active" on use trinket or am i miss understanding?

[upbeat smelt]

So they're gonna allow option of where weapons are sheathed?

[swift tinsel]

doubt

but fuckin wish they would

the capability is there

just have a checkbox when selecting transmog or something

[keen dome]

Blizzcon'll reveal rogue tank

[lilac stag]

They’re gonna forget about rogue for 2 more expansions

[keen dome]

I'm gonna email them. "Dear Mr. Blizzard, I am a rogue and I have been very good this year"

[north schooner]

sub(urban) rogue

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-please-beg-daisy-duck-heres-a-penny-gif-9204998

[swift tinsel]

rogue (derogatory)

[keen dome]

Hey I once tweeted at a Dev to ask why Wow didn't have Capybara's and the very next patch? Capybara's.

It could work

[pastel quarry]

He’s flipping the Fatebound coin 😭

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1466488894164828180/image.png?ex=697cedb6&is=697b9c36&hm=fb3b9ca2d80967853bbb53809764e83bb17a44bc9817ae147319eef126fa076d&

[north heron]

Deathmantle on a mantle

[swift tinsel]

does that mean we're meta

[wary flower]

I have a hot take. Sub needs to be renamed. Combat was re-themed to outlaw. Sin still works. Sub needs to be renamed “Shadow” “Stalker” “Ninja”. Something. Cmon Last titan Rogue just headlined your housing ad.

[tidal marsh]

I have a hot take: you might have misunderstood the meaning of the word "need".

[north heron]

Why isn't her vial crimson? Is it because tank spec gets an emerald vial instead?

[wary flower]

In Blizzard levels of priority I think it qualifies

[tidal marsh]

Fair

[keen dome]

They need to add a rogue tank spec called Shadowguard

[vale pine]

lol

[bleak night]

green=healer

[keen dome]

I would take a healer spec

but I need a tank spec

[north heron]

I liked healing in swtor. I liked tanking in rift. I just want a rogue that doesn't something besides stab and or bonk.

[keen dome]

The real important thing from that video, though. Without a doubt in my mind

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/2016921942213730788

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

We're partnering with Habitat for Humanity to release a new Charity Pet Pack!

Bring Roofus to your yard in Modern and on all your adventures in Classic!

X · Jan 29, 2026, 5:10 PM

[vestal escarp]

Bro im already miserable playing rog, why do we have to double it down with tank too?

[keen dome]

Because I have a need to make it worse

[tribal marsh]

is there any gameplay diff at all in the beta compared to pre patch?

[uneven scarab]

bruh blizzard is already trying their hardest

healer rogue spec pls

[tribal marsh]

meh, any healer rogue would pretty much mean there couldnt be a trinker healer later

[vale pine]

need a companion for your house

[keen dome]

😄

[swift tinsel]

this would actually be an amazing addition

[vale pine]

they did hint at something like that

[swift tinsel]

if you could have your pets loiter

like companions in your garrison/legion class hall

or your mounts would be kinda neat too

for the alive ones lol

[north heron]

Lmao tinker

[bleak night]

ye they've said they're working on that

just gotta make it work in player built environments

compared to in garrison

[swift tinsel]

I wanna know more about labyrinths tho

sucks they won't be til 12.1.5

which isn't til the fall

[tribal marsh]

Should've been added second patch of TWW, healer with bombs and suringes, tank with a big mech, and deeps with goblin rockets and gizmos

[keen dome]

Realizing she does DfA in the trailer..

[tribal marsh]

what is labyrinths?

[fathom adder]

you can make one on your yard in the housing zone

[tribal marsh]

ah, you scared me, I thought it was some kind of new terrible Delve type content

[fathom adder]

idk, just memeing

[lilac stag]

Open world pvp on

[vale pine]

basically a delve thats bigger and split up in multiple parts

from what i know, wow seems to joink a lot of ffo features

[tribal marsh]

oh god it was actually what it was?

fuck me, just dont force me to do more delves please

[vale pine]

its part of the plans in midnight

to basically add a new delve type thats longer

[tribal marsh]

that IS the number one complaint after all, that delves are too short

oh.. no, actually people usually avoid the long ones and do the shortest available, nvm

[magic cliff]

As a delve enjoyer long delve sounds cool

Just different strokes for different folks

[vale pine]

its just expanding on the delve content

its not targeted at the hard core

the whats next show was overall fairly meh

but some parts ended up good

[tribal marsh]

might not be, but it still usually ends up being the best way to gear the first week, and since they let you save keys, its usually like 8-10 of them

[vale pine]

• Housing updates seem overall like improvements
• More 1 boss or mini raids in general to split content out more
• New limited time fun modes, next plan is a prop hunt

[tribal marsh]

plus the extra busywork to push them from 1-8

I dunno, call me mr negative, but fun modes in wow dont hit very hard, its like th emini games, the engine isnt very good at anything but the wow style combat. Feels unresponsive and janky, maybe in wow 2.0 it would be more fun to me

[lilac stag]

We’re going into wow 2.0 my guy

[swift tinsel]

idk as someone who does delves throughout an entire season I'm pumped for bigger longer delves

[lilac stag]

we good for now.. have to fix action bars still

[valid turtle]

Wait...we use slice now?

[vale pine]

no

[swift tinsel]

you can if you want

[valid turtle]

xD

[swift tinsel]

but its maintained passively

[coarse agate]

We DID get to see BOTH buttons available to Sub for dps in that cinematic. NEAT.

[restive venture]

I may be dumb but what does this mean

[lilac stag]

what part are you not understanding?

[restive venture]

the apply aura modifies effect #2's value

from 2 to 100%

[warm marlin]

instead of combo point generators generating 2% more combo points they generate 100% more as intended

[restive venture]

OH

[lilac stag]

it was a bug fix

[restive venture]

ah ok ok

[lilac stag]

just read blizzard notes

datamined notes are cancer

if there are actual buffs etc, they get pinned here

[restive venture]

ah ok ok thank you

[warm marlin]

I don't think that that change making it to beta was posted in blizz notes, though iirc it was when it was pushed to prepatch

[swift tinsel]

ye it was a typical stealth fix

just didn't get noted until yesterday

[lilac stag]

theyd have to admit there was a problem to being with

Here’s the cinematic on by itself. https://youtu.be/Soq6g3dL1Ys

[chilly kite]

is there anyway to just adjust the size of the sensei cp and energy bars? i don't get an option for it in edit mode and its like linked to the essential cooldowns

[swift tinsel]

click them in edit mode

that will let you adjust them

[chilly kite]

thats the problem i can't

it clicks straight through them can't right or left click on the bars themself

[swift tinsel]

must be a conflict with another addon then

[chilly kite]

i only have sensei and bcdm

[swift tinsel]

the only way to edit them is in edit mode

unless a workaround has been added

[chilly kite]

if i disable sensei i get spammed with lua errors lol

[void ocean]

omfg we r getting hide and seek in wow

World of Whatever the fuck this is at this point 😄

[swift tinsel]

mirroring a successful game

worked very well with Plunderstorm

[chilly kite]

all the housing changes they are "adding" are parts of the base creation in dune awakening lol like legit ripped straight from funcom's coding

[swift tinsel]

just on a massively bigger scale

[magic cliff]

They're common parts of a lot of MMO housing

[chilly kite]

they are but the specifics of copying the houses and multiple peices moved at once are straight from funcoms design

[magic cliff]

I fail to see why this is a bad thing

[swift tinsel]

dang, blizz better pull a Quazii and quit

caught red handed

also the concept of duplicating items or moving multiple pieces at once predates dune awakening

by a longshot

[lucid jackal]

Idk how ff housing works I'd assume they also have that feature, no?

[swift tinsel]

I would be shocked if they didn't

[chilly kite]

oh i know that, im just saying. the way it was presented was almost identical to how joel prestented it at funcom

i mean wasn't wildstar like one of the first mmo's with housing in it

[fallow idol]

Im back after a quite long break. Kinda feel like all i do in M+ is press: Shuriken Storm -> Black Powder on repeat. just me?

[void ocean]

u can also disguise as a candle holder and sit on the table in Silvermoon untill someone clicks on u... apex gaming

[sick basin]

EQ2 had housing way before Wildstar, it's not really a unique feature it's just been iterated on over 20 years

[vale pine]

neither of the features mentioned in the trailer are very unique

they are basically qol improvements, very obviouse ones

[sick basin]

EQ2 came out with housing on launch and that was in 2004, and I think other mmos had it before it as well

[north schooner]

wow has menus, they stole that from other mmos

[swift tinsel]

also they stole World, its been around for billions of years

[chilly kite]

i totally forgot about the best housing game which was swg lol

[lilac stag]

Disable it in BCDM

also check for addon updates

[chilly kite]

i'll give it a try

[lilac stag]

Relaunch the game if it’s still not working and take a screenie of edit mode

@haughty mural we get a 4th day of early access to practice 2 button rotation.

[chilly kite]

it doesn't gray out like everything else does in edit mode

oh i'm dumb and thats not sensei

[swift tinsel]

lmfao

ope

[chilly kite]

nvm i'm just dumb and found it lol

[haughty mural]

enough time to level the trifecta

or the quartet

[chilly kite]

okay any idea why this keeps happening? everytime i move the buff bar it snaps back after i save it behind the power bars

this is where it should be

but everytime i save it snaps underneath

[swift tinsel]

some are weird if you move with the addon itself or edit mode

[lilac stag]

disable everything else. Make a new edit profile. Just move sensei

save it. Reload then re-enable

[chilly kite]

k

[sick basin]

Sensei will if not changed lock itself to certain CDM bars

You have to unlock the locking to then not have them go back

[lilac stag]

Welcome to #subtlety Home to the 2 button spec helpers and UI tech support.

We’re back in before WA times. Just missing IRC

[chilly kite]

i guess i'll just not use better cooldown manager because thats whats causing the issues

its exactly how i want it now i just need to adjust the height/width and colors to make it not look like ass

[lilac stag]

Try: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/cooldown-manager-control/

This is Sensei + Cooldown Manager Control + Uuf

Don’t mind the fucked up actionbar. That’s next.

[tropic pier]

did they fix shadow dance so that it if you hit a shadow dance macro while already in dance it doesnt go off?

or do you still need a stance macro

[lilac stag]

have you tried hitting dance twice in game?

[tropic pier]

wait whose bright idea was it to make shadowstrike not move deathstalkers mark 🤦‍♂️

now we have the same problem as assa used to have if the boss jumped away to an immune phase and you werent carefully watching your stacks

excellent idea

[red vortex]

blizzard

[swift tinsel]

welcome to the party

[red vortex]

[chilly kite]

i like how that looks, way better than ths shit show i'm workin with right now

[tropic pier]

they wanted to make it more accessible and actually made it worse

incredible

[swift tinsel]

literally everyone hates it

it was annoying before and now its just obtrusive

[tropic pier]

before it didnt really matter on sub and now its really bad

just awful change

[chilly kite]

but hey, at least we got housing decor. ami right

[vale pine]

the change to mark was not targeted at us

thats why it feels so bad

but deathstalker in general feels poorly designed

[tropic pier]

i think they made it worse for assa too

[vale pine]

yes

thats the worse part of it

[chilly kite]

they need to just get rid of the mark and have it as a self buff

[vale pine]

think the "on a target" part is by design

[lilac stag]

careful with that. People want Night Blade back. /s

[lilac stag]

You can do a bunch with those couple addons. There’s still some limitations. I’d like all my utility stuff set to zero unless on CD and I can’t, but it’s also not worth installing say ArcUI for

[woeful wren]

beta crashes still not fixed from earlier? sadge

[lilac stag]

I think that’s their big brain approach to paying attention to more than “2 buttons”. Sadly it just disappearing is oof.

[vale pine]

i think its not connected to gameplay

but fantasy

[lilac stag]

We’d ignore it if it was on strike

[ripe flame]

it wouldn't make sense fantasy wise if the deathstalker's mark was on you and not on the target

shit reason but it makes sense ig (?

[lilac stag]

it’s just bad fantasy and gameplay

[haughty mural]

you are the deathstalker and its your mark

makes sense to be on you

[swift tinsel]

hell make it Symbol of Death lol

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

a self-buff

[ripe flame]

[lilac stag]

How difficult is it to move hunters mark?

[haughty mural]

press Y

done

[lilac stag]

Or A

[charred rock]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural what truth bombs do we drop tomorrow?

My 2am insomnia in here has been fun.

[lilac stag]

They could have just made it a low dmg mid energy attack that will apply mark but you know rogue, it has to be complicated for no reason.

[charred rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=whyyysnapped

[woeful wren]

ok turns out its breath of eons crashing me holy shit

[upbeat smelt]

So this is driving me NUTs! For some reason I can't see the SCT pop up for the two shadow clones hit when I use Sectech. I tried the /console floatingCombat text command on and off for regular damage and pet damage and nothing!

Also in my combat log this is what shows.

[safe tundra]

do i pop shadow blades right after shadow dance or before

[upbeat smelt]

Is that normal to say Akaari's Soul Secret Technique for the shadow clones?

[uneven scarab]

Yes

[lilac stag]

Same time

[safe tundra]

isnt it on gcd

oh shoot

so hypothetically i could make a macro if i wanted

[lilac stag]

*points at macros in #subtlety-faq *

you basically want everything bound separately and then there are some convienence macros

[safe tundra]

ez thx guys

"In big AoE situations it is more AoE damage to skip Darkest Night and focus Exclusively on :BlackPowder:. Use :ShadowStrike: once to keep the mark up (it will not get reduced below 3 when Darkest Night is up)"

how many mobs counts as a big aoe situation

just asking because i'm farming dgs 😭

[hazy breach]

~5

[safe tundra]

kk

[lilac stag]

You’re farming dogs?

[sick basin]

It's actually really annoying because it's on the gcd so you lose a global

[safe tundra]

dungeons!!!

nooo i dont wanna farm dogs 😭

[sick basin]

And on a 25? sec cd

[lilac stag]

It’s a single global. Way better than it disappearing randomly or being stuck on the wrong target

[sick basin]

It's still has a cd, I mean it's clearly not as bad as your hero talents stop working

[alpine wraith]

i mean tbh dogs dont even taste that good so you do well to farm dungeons instead

dont worry dmg from hunt them down and singular is more dmg

than any DN things

[lilac stag]

a short CD cd fine

[alpine wraith]

even ignoring mass casualty

[sick basin]

Ehh 30sec is not great lol

[alpine wraith]

actually who wants to bet that to solve sub krangle aoe dps

[sick basin]

It needs to be off gcd tho

[alpine wraith]

they just make mass casualty proc even if marks dont get consumed

instead of making DN do anything useful

[lilac stag]

Nah cause than you macro it, and rogue needs buttons

So do hunters apparently

[sick basin]

I mean Monk and DH literally apply it by just touching the mob

No reason not too for hunters mark

[safe tundra]

how do you guys keep track of your marked target, is it just create a focus macro?

a bit annoying since i got in the hang of focusing the target im kicking

[sick basin]

DS mark you want some control but it's dumb you can't move it

[bleak night]

time is a circle

i remember when hunters mark was applied by aimed shot

and people hated it

[safe tundra]

i wonder if theres a plater that shows deathmark? like changes colour of nameplate or sm?

[hazy breach]

There shouldnt be

They explicitly removed those functions

[safe tundra]

rip

[lilac stag]

Everyone hates everything.

Duh

[safe tundra]

im not sure, i wish it was more obvious

[swift tinsel]

I don't remember if platynator shows it

[sick basin]

Did it even do anything back then? Idr

[alpine wraith]

the most you can do is mark the cooldown manager picture BIGGER

[hazy breach]

But to answer your question, you dont really need to swap targets much

[safe tundra]

cuz sometimes in massive packs i just cant find my mark

[hazy breach]

So just keep it on your target

[bleak night]

i think back then it was a personal buff for hunters

not a raid buff

[alpine wraith]

dont worry if you bp enough you will lose it

[safe tundra]

the issue is if i have to kick something

[lilac stag]

Why are you changing targets?

[alpine wraith]

then just strike 1 target and keep on that one

no need for anything more

[sick basin]

Nah the raid buff was... DF? S1 TWW? It was very recent

[bleak night]

yeah

[lilac stag]

Mouseover kick. Focus kick.

[swift tinsel]

trueshot aura longo time ago

[lilac stag]

Don’t be tab targeting your kick

[bleak night]

there was a period where it did nothing but show stealthed targets, but before that it also actually helped the hunter

[alpine wraith]

trueshot gave ap

[lilac stag]

7. Do nothing

[safe tundra]

i used to just focus my kick target and then go to the kick target w another macro, kick it, and go back, but ig ill have to make some focus kick macros

it just gets more complicated if i have rupture and stuff and dont always want to use it on focus target

[bleak night]

i press tab and kick

and it either goes to the right mob or we die

[swift tinsel]

nice thing about rupture

[bleak night]

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[safe tundra]

LOL

[lilac stag]

Just make a mouseover focus macro. And a kick with focus / kick

[swift tinsel]

gonezo

[alpine wraith]

what a chad

[sick basin]

I was doing tab kick because I setup focus target to my DS mark target

Either way finding the target again sucks

[lilac stag]

That’s the backwards way of doing it but ok

[safe tundra]

would this work

[sick basin]

Tab really isn't that bad or you use mouse over kick

[lilac stag]

Except you’re losing dmg on you prio / marked target

[safe tundra]

you tab but then u lose track of ur deathmark target

[alpine wraith]

best way to do things is say at the beginning of the dung I KICK CIRCLE

and just make a macro that focus and circle marks a target

then kick that one

[sick basin]

Hence the focus on mark mob

Same thing really

[alpine wraith]

think is you dont really lose mark

after the 3 first finishers

so kinda makes no sense

[lilac stag]

Rogue hero talents.

[alpine wraith]

unless the pull is 2-3 targets and then losing it is whatever because it is not hard to find

[sick basin]

It can be annoying in huge aoe

[alpine wraith]

in huge aoe rotation does not change

you strike evis if you dont have snd

or strike dance sec tech

then bp once or twice

DN pops

you strike

then storm +bp

[lilac stag]

Just play trickster.

[alpine wraith]

forever

[sick basin]

We are talking mark, which sub didn't even play before now, and it's past tense

So... We are talking last season

Now for sure

[alpine wraith]

on last season it was omega omega cursed

[lilac stag]

We didn’t play mark last season

[sick basin]

It doesn't matter

[alpine wraith]

because you didnt pop mark and changed targets to get witness procs

[safe tundra]

im just a sub noob trying to get a hang of it before midnight tbh

[sick basin]

Yeah I also played assa last season lol

[safe tundra]

mark was annoying on sin s1 and lowkey i quit playing it because i hate mark so much

[alpine wraith]

so it was even easier kinda but annoying

[safe tundra]

i liked just attacking whatever target i wanted with feral

[alpine wraith]

you just ping ponger through 2 mobs

and used storm

never procced DN

[lilac stag]

Druid privilege.

[alpine wraith]

druid is so cool

[sick basin]

I do much prefer trickster sub

[alpine wraith]

i liked spreading bleeds

big rake situation

trickster is fine

and you can highroll a bit more

with random resets so you keep flawless

[lilac stag]

Brings useful buff, combat res.

[alpine wraith]

vers buff is so strong

in 5 man content

[lilac stag]

fancy kitty looks

[alpine wraith]

im never changing my tindral cat look

[sick basin]

S1 was what made me do the focus for mark over kick, between that and Caustic it was a pain

[safe tundra]

feral doesnt look v hot in midnight

[lilac stag]

What does?

Legitimately

[austere plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

my hope is they flesh out things

[lilac stag]

everyone fucking bitching about every spec in every discord

[alpine wraith]

the holy paladin melt down

was kinda funny

like imagine tomorrow

they decide

bring back sod rupture and flag

fuck it

[lilac stag]

No shade, you’ll stop rogue within a month as soon as feral gets a slight fix.

The only one of us that play rogue still are the idiots who tried it 10+ years ago and stuck with it

Pretty sure only one of the shadow blades in here plays rogue still

[tulip light]

@vale pine tagging you because its from the wowhead guide - "Cursed Stone Idol (Mythic+)- Best passive trinket from M+." what does passive mean in this context since its an on use trinket?

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-i-cannot-read-gif-10549564367608169258

[sick basin]

I mean at this point almost everyone multi specs, very few play only one class

[vale pine]

you are correct, seems like i had a diffrent trinket there initially that was passive

letme fix

[lilac stag]

23/26 in our ce roster are single class. 1/3 single spec.

[sick basin]

I have never been in a guild that only is one tricks, every tier is literally a full class roster shuffle lmao

[warm marlin]

there are many alts and multiclassers in my guild and i have more rogues than the entire rest of the guild combined i think

whole lot of druids and dks though 🙂

[lilac stag]

People will mess with alts. They’re not able to play them at a prog level

maybe that changes with simplification. Idk

[swift tinsel]

I think we have like 4-5 onetricks?

[lilac stag]

heroic alt raids are awful. Lol

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

check out the ego on this guy

[lilac stag]

You had what a DH? I forgot

[swift tinsel]

[sick basin]

With the exception of rogue it's very rare I play the same class/spec every season, I would often swap to fill roster needs

[warm marlin]

at some point in time, I would say I was confident enough in all of havoc/fdk/enh/spriest/arcane to play them in prog

ive barely played havoc since df though

[lilac stag]

Oh that’s right you got mage going

[sick basin]

Arcane was fun

[warm marlin]

ye arcane was real fun actually

[sick basin]

Once you get past just using Poroms WA lol

[lilac stag]

Raccoon was doing DH splits

[warm marlin]

i didnt play aldrachi once they fixed it but fel scarred made me hate dh

[lilac stag]

I’m glad fury was chill.

It was ok to swap to it

[warm marlin]

I should try it at some point

[lilac stag]

And not want to kill myself

we legit struggle finding a warrior that can live + dps if not a tank

[maiden oar]

ive only played rogue so far but bc of the pruning i plan to branch out this season

[swift tinsel]

think I'm pretty locked in with rogue and dh

maybe uhdk in the mix

[vale pine]

XD

[swift tinsel]

we're still dk-heavy

[sick basin]

It's really good right now imo, back to the core of rampage and execute cleaving

[maiden oar]

im rogue for prog unless theres some insane guy melee spec u want to stack 6 of

[vale pine]

i typically write !sheet

[maiden oar]

but im gonna branch out for keys / farm probably

[lilac stag]

I think part of it is also gearing. We’re slightly older guild and only some of us crazy enough to crest farm an “alt”.

[vale pine]

i just wanted to quickly grap a profile for a simulation

someone dm'd me asking how much worse it is to dn first in dance instead of secret

[swift tinsel]

reminds me I need to sort out bookmarks

[vale pine]

its not much

[sick basin]

Udk seems fun, only touched it a bit in prepatch but think it feels much better after rework

[swift tinsel]

I love it thematically

summoning and exploding ghouls is very fun

[maiden oar]

did u ever figure out why it wants to dance at low cp when playing deathstalker

[swift tinsel]

I don't love the aoe ramp

[maiden oar]

or is it too mysterious

[sick basin]

It's one of my favorite classes I think

[lilac stag]

I’ll gear my SV hunter this go around

[sick basin]

SV is great

[lilac stag]

Always has been

[swift tinsel]

I rediscovered my fondness for Inertia havoc dh and have been getting more familiar with devourer and can see myself liking it in keys

[lilac stag]

Problem is two range specs attached to it

[sick basin]

I was maining it s3

For keys

[swift tinsel]

plus that gives me a melee, ranged, and tank to play

in addition to rogue

[sick basin]

Rogue/SV/Fury are my top 3 for Midnight

[lilac stag]

I’m burnt out on warrior

[maiden oar]

i will play whatevers meta for m+ i am soulless fotm guy now

[lilac stag]

Dimmy prog will do that to a rogue

[swift tinsel]

we're also losing our dh for mythic so depending on how heroic prog feels I can play either

[maiden oar]

unless its rogue then i am a loyal rogue player

[swift tinsel]

I cba to meta chase

[maiden oar]

i think itll be good for me to learn how to do it

[molten citrus]

So far it’s looking like playing any combo of class tree cap stones will be decent, we have Dance so much that subt isn’t a hard req

[maiden oar]

i cant 1 trick forever

[swift tinsel]

I mostly run guild keys anyways

[lilac stag]

Wdym. Rogue always (purple) meta

[swift tinsel]

so I can play whatever

[maiden oar]

oh ive only ever done crest farm keys

but this seaosn i will push

i will ascend

[warm marlin]

ive actually had a lot of fun learning whatever looks like the most fun meta dps for m+

[lilac stag]

Thanks. Wasn’t sure with change to cheap shot

[warm marlin]

enh was sick, arcane was sick, fdk was kinda cool

[molten citrus]

Oh it was someone else

That brought it up originally

[warm marlin]

df spriest was awesome

[lilac stag]

Ye

[maiden oar]

i think id have liked arcane

[swift tinsel]

its engaging

[lilac stag]

And we didn’t know if anything was actually using it

[swift tinsel]

I played it s1 tww and had a great time

[maiden oar]

is it engaging on the beta

[swift tinsel]

til they nuked double dipping

[maiden oar]

or is it over

[molten citrus]

@slate marlin

[swift tinsel]

its different but I kinda like it

you basically have Arcane Harmony

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-big-grin-excited-girl-giddy-smile-gif-9362107560638924284

[swift tinsel]

as Arcane Salvo now

[maiden oar]

[swift tinsel]

so you missiles to stack up then barrage for big boom gaming

but no more Nether Precision

so you can just kinda vibe

[maiden oar]

do u have funnel still

[swift tinsel]

yeah unless I missed something

[maiden oar]

i love prio damage so much

ok wahoo

[lilac stag]

I’m waiting for mages to die every pull

Couldn’t live with 30 defensives

What are they doing now?

[slate marlin]

ah i see, it was recommended in the pvp pins

thanks for the aclaration

[frosty fossil]

I have a special hatred for mages.

And hunters

[frosty fossil]

Lol I'm a diehard rogue main. It's Rogue or nothing for me.

[sick basin]

Do we? Are you talking about all for one?

Actually I wonder if that is better for sub then assa

Since caustic doesn't work anymore

[swift tinsel]

was talking about arcane

[sick basin]

Oh, reading failure

[boreal robin]

Hey what % of our damage is physical damage type

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

roughly 50%

[odd knoll]

!nacro

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[boreal robin]

not toooo bad i play aw bear phys comp was wondering how much fo a meme playing sub in keys would be

[uneven scarab]

its good in phys comp for sure

make sure u got wf or you'll be sad

[vale pine]

!sheet has values for externals

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal robin]

thanks mate

[boreal robin]

Thank you mate

[graceful rock]

Shouldn’t hunters mark just be 3%

In raid at least

[vale pine]

actually good question

maybe the implementation is still the old one

[north schooner]

must be, makes no sense otherwise

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=257284/hunters-mark#changelog

was the old version

[vestal escarp]

Auto attack 11.4% 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[hazy breach]

Theres also hunt them down

So its more

[tulip light]

gusy i havent played rogue in s1 and s2 but was there any reason to remove mass blind as an interrupt option?

[spiral sierra]

when useing the Sectec macro, do we rotate a second dance in between Sectec's or just bank one for some reason that i dont know of?

[north schooner]

irritant still makes it aoe, despite the tooltip not saying it

[tulip light]

wow...

[spiral sierra]

gotta love blizz tooltips

[lunar bluff]

wangbar

[swift tinsel]

Wangbar is for the people

Goated

[lunar bluff]

hopefulyl sub rogues and assa rogues can feel as if they want to support an outlaw rogue who made an addon..

[heavy steppe]

what's the macro for coup and black powder to be on the same button?

[sick basin]

No ping in assa chat, clear favoritism

[lunar bluff]

im scared whispyr will kill me in there

[sick basin]

He's been desperate for a better energy/cp tracker. He may even... be nice! Maybe

[tulip light]

#showtooltip
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

[swift tinsel]

the Option menu addition is awesome, stellar addon 100/10

[plush roost]

I cant support a man who didnt blind the free sample in a triple rogue key 💔

Betrayal

[lunar bluff]

what free sample!

[plush roost]

Cinderbrew 19 triple rogue key nvr4getti

[lunar bluff]

i dont remember this...

[plush roost]

Wait

[lunar bluff]

and awang never forgets

[plush roost]

It was u me and yeetodepleeto no?

Nobody else plays outlaw on NA

[swift tinsel]

@lunar bluff option to change energy font like there is for cp count?

[lunar bluff]

easy

[swift tinsel]

king

bye bye sensei

[lunar bluff]

i dont remember this no cap

and i never miss stops

they dodge my blind if that happened

ofc

[plush roost]

Hmmgee

Im gonna go on an investigation into my rio later

[tulip light]

is there a reason the m+ builds dont suggest taking it?

[sick basin]

Probably because no one actually knows if it's going or staying

[lilac stag]

We’re hoping no one notices

[knotty depot]

maybe dumb question

[nocturne atlas]

Is there a way to track find weakness right now?

[knotty depot]

how do we trigger unseen blade in AoE to build for coup

if we don't SS

[north schooner]

new trickster talent procs it on storm

[knotty depot]

Oh I've missed that thanks mate

sub is litterally simpler to play than BM right now

[hazy breach]

No but you dont need to

[nocturne atlas]

Really? Why’s that (still new to sub) lol

[knotty depot]

I didn't play it much in beta and just started trying it out

[hazy breach]

Its always up

[knotty depot]

it's just the dumbest spec now imho

[nocturne atlas]

Oh nice

[sick basin]

Idk it seems fine, it has clear goals for it's abilities and while not perfect plays pretty smooth. I honestly prefer it over the CDR version but I sucked at sub last season

[knotty depot]

yeah I mean I feel the same when playing specs I haven't played in a while that have been dumbed down

[boreal robin]

am i reading this right but is the Dim trinket BIS even as Heroic

[knotty depot]

but sub seems a bit too extreme

God I hope outlaw is good for raid in midnight

[sick basin]

I think missing apex hurts tho

Not sure how much it really changes

[knotty depot]

Apex doesn't really change gameplay afaik

it's just more passive dmg

[sick basin]

I thought there was decision making impacts but maybe not

[hazy breach]

But it does

#subtlety-faq mentions the differences

[lilac stag]

The endless nonsense of braindead 2 buttons.

[lilac stag]

Target dummy dps is pretty straight forward. There’s builder spender choices in dance now vs hitting the same ST sequence in both ST and AOE

but you know rupture added an incredible amount of depth to the spec. /s

[lilac stag]

In a 5 min sim sure. In current fight lengths? No

Forge/Lily + projector

[safe tundra]

Literally

And this is coming from someone new to sub entirely I didn’t play it last season

The only thing I really have to think of is like aligning up CDs and making sure to pop the 3 at the same time with the blades but by using the macro it’s just easy

[radiant swift]

so basicaly any fight? what do u run for m+? whats the goto combo i could use for both

[lunar bluff]

to all you rogue players (non one tricks of certain specs) tired of having to remember all the differing amounts of combo points you finish at per spec? look no further!!

[lilac stag]

Did you put health bar in?

[lunar bluff]

yes

uploading soon

[brisk onyx]

👍

[lunar bluff]

do u want text on th ehealth bar

[lilac stag]

I don’t. Some maybe?

[lunar bluff]

ill enable the option

[lilac stag]

which site did you put it on?

[boreal robin]

even for M+

[lilac stag]

M+ Run whatever. Lily + passive. Forge + Prism

Check wcl if you want to do some research

[lunar bluff]

curseforge, havent uploaded new one yet

[boreal robin]

yeha okey

[tulip light]

is there an option to track trinket stacks with better cooldown manager?

[bold pawn]

anyone wanna coach me im new

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

[small helm]

Y sub so ez

[placid storm]

Which texture are you using for the bars here? love the addon btw, much appreciated!

[lunar bluff]

d1 texture, custom texture

wangbar updated.

[lilac stag]

Spamming multiple channels. Mods mods!

[boreal robin]

hey in m+ do you need hast?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[boreal robin]

still at thaT 35%

[lilac stag]

Less but use dslice to figure out a gear load out.

Some of the haste shifts to mastery so it really depends on what you have while still adding globals to dance

[boreal robin]

okeyt

[maiden oar]

so cool

[hazy breach]

PSA it seems like the improved ambush talent was not working correctly in sims, it should be better than tight spenders

[swift tinsel]

Poggies

[hazy breach]

(extremely minor differences either way, but figured id post it here)

[maiden oar]

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel apparently I had this going and forgot about it.

[swift tinsel]

Lmao sneaky Everything macro

I think I have cancelaura Dance in one of my other-spec Stealth binds lol

Back when it was in the class tree

[lilac stag]

that's just my stealth / pickpocket macro

but it does explain the insta stealth lol

[hazy breach]

@plush roost I would not recommend to play deathstalker anymore on the beta btw. They changed precise killer to be 20% crit dmg now instead of 40%

And they mostly fixed the sectech cdr

But the precise killer change is a really really big nerf, like 5-6%

[alpine wraith]

ah yea that one was doubledf

[swift tinsel]

Hell yeah good guys win

[tulip light]

is there any downside to macroing dance and sectech together at the moment?

[swift tinsel]

As long as you never press it at <6 cp

Also did I see right that it’s better to ignore DN if it’s up going into dance in favor of casting Sectech first

[hazy breach]

Yes just send sectech on cd

[swift tinsel]

Low prio in st, no prio in aoe

Legendary capstone talent

[lilac stag]

Immovable Mark

Epic Hero Talents

[brisk onyx]

Any addon allow me to change the cooldown timer color, like OmniCC ?

[lilac stag]

The text or the overlay?

[brisk onyx]

text

[lilac stag]

ArcUI will though that’s likely overkill

[brisk onyx]

[restive venture]

I dont have good sub stats but is around 45-50k for a full 1min 30 cycle good dps in aoe? at 140 ilvl

I know its prepatch but I wanna just see if im doing around what I should be doing

[lilac stag]

Sure

[high birch]

Peeps, as sub, what should I have on my tracked bars?

[tribal blade]

i was just thinking, they could make it so DN procs mass casualty and then buff mass casualty for sub

or buff mark dmg

for sub

[alpine wraith]

yea that was my idea earlier today

[lilac stag]

Realz save

[halcyon pendant]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pale rock]

on two target cleave boss fights, inside shadow dance, do we shadowstrike into black powder?

[tribal blade]

yes

[vale pine]

auto attack damage is usually high at the start of a stat squish but becomes sucessively less relevant with more stats

[wheat elk]

i was out of the game for 3 month so might be a stupid question but there a way to figure out what addons wont work anymore? like in curseforge all the addons that are incompatible and red are gone right?

[vale pine]

basically no addon works that was not updated to 12.0 or above version

addons list their supported version in a file ending with .toc

and the game does not allow the game to load addons which are 11.x versions or below

on the flip site of this, some addons which still would work can stop working

[vestal escarp]

Still 🔥

[wheat elk]

thanks but didn't they say addons like dbm or bigwigs are going away aswell?

[vale pine]

e.g. OPIE is a addon many people like and use, and you can just edit the .toc file and make it work again

[vale pine]

I don't know for dbm but bigwigs has a version

most addons just reduce their feature set

rather then disappearing

[wheat elk]

ah

[vale pine]

weakauars is gone tho

[wheat elk]

yeah that i know of

aight man appreciate it

[tribal blade]

did any other NA people's servers just go down

checked downdetector and see these comments

and massive amount of reports

[vale pine]

whats the context here?

[tribal blade]

it reads like this is the person who's DDOSing

[vale pine]

oh

[tribal blade]

i don't know anything about this sort of stuff, but looks like if it actually is they really really want attention

half the NA servers are unavailable atm

holy shit this bar is going crazy lol

[upper narwhal]

You sent me down a rabbit hole

I’m not sure whether this guy is schizo or telling the truth but he seems to be the guy

[tribal blade]

holy schizo yes lol

this makes absolutely no sense

[bleak night]

if this guy actually had anything to do with taking down services

i feel like saying you have proof you did it on your personal linkedn

[upper narwhal]

I’m looking in to him and I really think it’s the guy

[bleak night]

is not a great idea

[upper narwhal]

He seems insane

[bleak night]

it seems very schizo

[tribal blade]

wait did he actually link his linkedin

i legit don't even want to visit it

[upper narwhal]

He also writes adult fiction

[bleak night]

[celest wyvern]

hello whats the rule about entering the shadow dance now? I mean whats the Ideal time remaining of ST cd to enter next dance>?

[tribal blade]

aim to go into dance right as sectec comes off cd

[celest wyvern]

so entering dance while still some sec remains from sectec is not ideal?

[tribal blade]

you don't need to look at dance's cd anymore unless blades is coming up soon

[tribal blade]

if you can still get sectec supercharged it's fine to go in early

the main goal is to supercharge sectec

the thing you don't wanna do is go into dance too early and then cast sectec when both supercharged CPs have been used

that is a really aggressive line

[celest wyvern]

yeah i got it now

thanks alot

I guess we do pre dance for fights instead of pre SoD now

[viscid urchin]

welp time to go play BC

[tribal blade]

luckily this is around the time i usually get off wow every day

so it's no big deal

[celest wyvern]

so we can start with supercharged combos

[tribal blade]

yes

so if he's left that much of a footprint is he gonna get caught

feels like knocking out the entire of wow is a big deal

[wheat elk]

why the energy bar width in cdm is bound to the amount of spells you got there

i dont get it =/

[tribal blade]

i think classic servers went down too it looks like

this is a big rollback moment for hardcore players

because there's gonna be a lot of dead peeps

[void ocean]

morning, kings

[tribal blade]

good afternoon

welcome to blizz getting DDOSed

[void ocean]

they fckin deserve it

[tribal blade]

hope you weren't aiming to play the game today

[void ocean]

for adding fckin hide and seek to game

naa

got my lvl 60 on classic, im good for a few days

[tribal blade]

nice nice

[void ocean]

there were some words about WeakAuras2

i wonder if that will live to see the daylight

[plush roost]

Was wondering why it felt weaker

[tribal blade]

nauuurrrwwww

[tribal blade]

holy trickster is the hero tree again

saved if they fix storm UB issue

[torn tide]

no way are they actually?

[tribal blade]

99% sure yes

the guy who's doing it is posting everywhere online it's him

no joke found him on downdetector bragging about it

[torn tide]

it seems fine rn

shouldnt believe everything u read too tho

[tribal blade]

they prob got the servers back up

you can scroll up and read all the screenshots

doesn't seem like a coincidence

[plush roost]

Thoughts on them reverting hpal, and then rereverting hpal within 25 hrs gamers

[tribal blade]

i know the hpal in my guild is bored af with new hpal

so now that it's going back to that he's gonna be bored af haha

[plush roost]

Idk from what every hpal in beta keys tells me its really fun being able to be a caster and do dam

[vestal escarp]

Kinda sucks we're back to the cycle of rog not beint in dev notes

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[plush roost]

Maybe is gud keys boring raid

[vale pine]

https://fixvx.com/EllesmereGaming/status/2017071911289721128?s=20

Ellesmere (@EllesmereGaming)

WE FUCKING DID IT HOLY, MELEE HPAL RANGED HPAL EVERYONE REJOICE IM SO HAPPY I COULD CRY. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR SUBMITTING FEEDBACK LETS FUCKING GO.

W devs for listening, finally excited for Midnight!

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

did he see this?

[tribal blade]

nice! happy for them

[tribal blade]

nah he hasn't been following wow news recently

a lot of my guildies are barely playing the game atm

[vale pine]

ah fair

[tribal blade]

but that's good if it means hpal is saved

[vale pine]

i checked housing on people from my friends list the other day

to see how active people are

[plush roost]

Ye it seems like you eanna be melee still but youre not constrained to melee to heal

Gud hpal changes

[vale pine]

turns out, most haven't even started endavors or are stuck with the first 2 items unlocked

i thought housing was more popular

[tribal blade]

i barely know pally as a class so i read all this stuff and it's in hieroglyphics for me

[tribal blade]

haha! depends on your neighborhood

my guild neighborhood is quite active

i wish you could come visit my house

i think housing overall is very popular

[plush roost]

I tried but u had permissions off 😠

[tribal blade]

OH NO that must have been a month ago

[vale pine]

probably just speaks about people on my fl

[plush roost]

Ye it was lmao

[tribal blade]

msg me some time i'm online and come over

[plush roost]

Ye ill do that when retail is midnight haha

[vale pine]

i assume people who primarely focus on raiding especially competitively are in general less likely to do housing

[plush roost]

Aint no way im on retail till then

[tribal blade]

lol fair enough

[torn tide]

lmao i only know like 1 person that has went all out on housing, looks insane tho

[tribal blade]

by then the thing i'm currently working on will definitely be finished

[plush roost]

You know deepps and rooszy and vi? Those 3 went insane on housing

[tribal blade]

yes!

[plush roost]

If u have then on fl u shiukd def check that shit out

[tribal blade]

deepps scares me

[torn tide]

cuz lowkey if i wanted to make a house id go play the sims or something

[tribal blade]

he gets angy

[plush roost]

Deepps has a whole ass club in his house

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[plush roost]

Yeee hes got a temper but its passion temper

[tribal blade]

https://housing.wowdb.com/builds/38727/jinxs-fantabulous-hideout-supreme-38727/ this was the last thing i built

[tribal blade]

yeah doesn't help i'm half an idiot in keys haha

[plush roost]

Yo thats sick

[tribal blade]

🙂

the new thing i'm making might be even sicker

[plush roost]

Yeah he'll rip anyones head off lmfao

[tribal blade]

oh yeah

we did a halls and we fucked up the cannisters on 2nd boss

might have been me

and he kinda flipped out a little

and then zimbita was like "is oke"

[vale pine]

I invested some time making sure we complete our endeavor

[plush roost]

Ohhh zimbita was in the key?

Yeah hes crashin out

[tribal blade]

he was yeah haha

iirc i beat him in overall

[vale pine]

on a different node, i exterminated/extinct the whole population of ho-zen on my way

[plush roost]

W fuu

[tribal blade]

EX TER MIN ATE

[vale pine]

extinct might be better word

ill edited

[plush roost]

You should be top overall as sub vs fury feral so gj

[tribal blade]

trueee

[plush roost]

You get to be mr pad hehe

[tribal blade]

i don't think we finished that key, might have been another halls key with zimbita and not deepps there

[tribal blade]

btw how bad was resil key drama last season

was it worse than S2

i got to see some resil drama first hand

[vale pine]

oh, is it drama time again?

[vestal escarp]

I haven't touched housing yet

For example

[tribal blade]

yeah a lot of people kinda leeching off others' resil

abandoning friends

that kinda stuff

the pushing community was always full of people trying their best to find the best possible players to play with (naturally)

but resil pushed it into overdrive

[viscid urchin]

my favorite part of resil was helping my friends get resil with my keys

[tribal blade]

where if someone with title level resil chose to play with you, you were kinda set for the season

[tribal blade]

yeah! i did the same thing

there was a lot of friendly resil helping going on

some friends of mine helped me with their resil keys

namely a frost mage and edude who's in here sometimes

[viscid urchin]

edudes

as opposed to egirls

[tribal blade]

LOL trueee

he's a true G

that guy is the reason i made title in S2

helped me get ML 20

[viscid urchin]

im already bored of BC blizz pls get them servers back up

[vestal escarp]

My time pushing io this season has been an overall bad experience, resil made it so you either pay to get in or you're not even considered

[plush roost]

Idk me and my group didnt play a lot because of irl stuff so i was kindof a mercenary. Didnt really see much drama outside of a lot of rooszy orbiters.

[vestal escarp]

I feel like it made q simulator less worse for those with pockets and way worse for those that didnt wanna pay

[viscid urchin]

paying for a key is clown shoes behavior

[tribal blade]

ahhhh gotcha

is rooszy the boomy

[torn tide]

god damn

[plush roost]

No hes the r1 brew on NA

[tribal blade]

OH ok

i'm mixing up names

[plush roost]

Ye sooo many people in the good server just sitting in discord waiting to sneak into a key to get carried lmfao

[tribal blade]

oh wait i think i'm still in that disc

is it show me grollogs

[plush roost]

I just DM deepps and say "we go 21 db?" And 2 shot it xd

[tribal blade]

NICE

[plush roost]

No thats grollogs

Good server is newerish

[tribal blade]

ahhh ok

i'm not in that one

did you do more double rogue keys with nessa throughout the season

i think we did a triple rogue at the start of last season

[plush roost]

Not too many multi rogue keys s3

Bad spec xd

Did 1 21 gambit with kaipo and mort

That was an adventure

[tribal blade]

lol truee

when people discovered the power of havoc

and BM

[tribal blade]

oh nice

took me a sec to put together kaipor

i guess the aim is to desync your cds if you play multiple sub in a key

or pull around everyone popping full stack prism together

[plush roost]

Nah mort played assa we just full borpasent

[tribal blade]

poor sin /cry

[plush roost]

We bursted everything into execute range and he cleaned it up wasnt too bad actually

[tribal blade]

oh nice

i imagine he was playing bleed

those executes going crazy

[plush roost]

I cant remember probably

[tribal blade]

must have been, i think ST build was bricked because of momentum bug

and spatter bug

[plush roost]

Ye

Dw in midnight assa only has st build

[tribal blade]

oh shit

[plush roost]

15% spatter xdddd

[tribal blade]

yeah it's wild

[plush roost]

Yeah its hot garbage hahaha

[tribal blade]

i think whispyr was saying it's technically not as big a nerf as it sounds because they're buffing baseline or something

but still

going down to 15% is lowww

[viscid urchin]

rogue still being worked on by hearthstone devs on their lunch break

[plush roost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kzgKL8nrqTfZCaJ6?fight=5&type=damage-done

This should be a good key for assa too

Youre not hitting squareroot scaling on spatter almost ever

Feelin like a meh arcane mage for real

[vestal escarp]

Any points to assa vs sub on beta?

Is it just tuning?

[icy tinsel]

long time outlaw main. just rolled sub on beta .. shit is so broken damage wise wtf.. why did no one tell me

[misty compass]

Today saw a stream of one rogue guy who was testing sub in midnight beta and said Trickster is way more powerful than Deathstalker, is it true atm? Not in prepatch I mean but in actual late game Midnight

[wild vine]

Because noone cares for numbers on beta probably

[brisk onyx]

in beta yes

[tribal blade]

sub got bug fixes that were very impactful

so likely it'll get nerfs to bring it back down

we're still a month out, numbers are fake

[bleak night]

me when sub peaks too early once again

[tribal blade]

trueeeee

we starting the pre doom

[bleak night]

[tribal blade]

no wait, they tune sub for these bug fixes

THEN

they bug fix more right before launch

and we start the tier strong?

and then they do the "don't overnerf a strong spec at the start" they seem to be doing sometimes

[bleak night]

now we're cooking

[vale pine]

what about versioning

they bug fix on live

then merge beta

without the bugfixes

200iq

[glacial eagle]

ok I've been fooling around with all Rogue specs
...what's up with SB being 90s but the rest of all CDs being 20s? that's like a sync loss every 90s
is that what the skill expression is supposed be?

[red vortex]

design

[twin quartz]

the sync would be really bad if dance didnt have 2 charges

[tribal blade]

don't scare me like that

[tribal blade]

sub has had way worse syncing issues throughout the years tbh

this is not that bad when you realize you're just sending sectec on cd with dance until blades is coming off cd

[void ocean]

wait, r u guys saying sub is s tier xD

[red vortex]

no one said that

cus its not set yet

with a month before release

[bleak night]

Its s tier in the only tier list that matters

[void ocean]

yea that was a joke regarding spec names

[night sparrow]

hey guys, is double use forge+prism still viable in raid ? m+ ? thx ♥

[tribal blade]

prob not using both of those together no

actually i dunno, is maybe fine

but we have a lot less burst now

general play for prepatch is x2 passive or x1 on use and x1 passive

a lot of people in raid are using ritual forge for the bosses that die in ~1 min

for keys i think lily+passive is prob best

[night sparrow]

okay thx, prism + bag atm should be okay-ish

cimer :>

[tribal blade]

prism is really bad in raid atm because bosses die so fast

in keys should be fine though

you can run prism on dimmy because that's a 4-5 min fight

[night sparrow]

yup will prob use forge in raid, idk the fights lenghts tho gathering infos to boost 6/8

thx 🙂

[tribal blade]

np!

every boss is incredibly easy now, should be cake walk

[night sparrow]

good to know hehe

also isnt Deathstlaker bugged atm ?

[tribal blade]

i dunno if they fixed it for live yet, but precise killer is giving +40% crit dmg instead of 20

which is making it better than trickster

but they just fixed it for beta iirc

[night sparrow]

I'm applying mark with ss while under darkest night buff (or I missed something about this hero talent)

[tribal blade]

if they haven't fixed it for prepatch your char will want a lot of crit playing DS

[night sparrow]

I guess 47% is reasonable

[tribal blade]

oh yeah that's enough

make sure you ahve enough haste though

that's the biggest thing

[night sparrow]

yeah replaced all my gems/enchant and crafted a ring to cap 35%

[tribal blade]

nice

[random cairn]

Maybe is common knowledge, but with the new tmog option on weapons I just realised that BackStab has a summoning dagger animation... Playing this rogue since BC

[night sparrow]

tried it but can't see shit :<

also doing some dummies, I try things such as casting dry sec tech when 0 dance charge + 10s cd, and found some sort of recognizable patterns, eg this one : u can see 6sec cd difference between blades and sectec that leads to sectec during the second dance during blades

[iron whale]

sub might be what it is rn, but at least I got dem drip

[night sparrow]

sometimes beside opening I use my sec tec during first dance, sometimes during second one (during blades). I'm not sure about any recognizable patterns yet + the stat squish once level 90 might change things bc of sectec cd being longer + BL changes things

[plush roost]

No reason to play assa in keys, maybe raid? Its less ST than outlaw and less aoe and its hardlocked to its damage every 1-2 minutes unversatile

Sub is pure aoe spec

Outlaw is good prio

[vestal escarp]

Ds can fix the problem for sub prio

No way sin is a clunky ahh cd dependant spec lmaoooo

Holy monkey paw they got the bad sub treatment