subtlety

[north schooner]

meanwhile WM clones take 0.2-0.3s

[warm marlin]

hmm. they're 1/1.3 on live

where did 0.6/1.2 come from

[north schooner]

I do like the delay on sectec though. It gives you time to turn around and look at the camera

[warm marlin]

maybe it was 0.3/0.6 and they doubled the timings in an undocumented change?

[north schooner]

you can't even know what's intended

[tepid trellis]

that from my reclear

[short aurora]

Akaari no Ferrari

[north schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sloth-zootopia-slow-tag-stamp-gif-5368335

[warm marlin]

sure looks like 0.6/1.2 to me

cursed!

[north schooner]

hmm WM does seem different between prepatch and beta

in beta it seems like WM and apex are both 0.6s

maybe they made them all the same in a recent build

prepatch WM is 0.3s or so

so akaari formed a union with the other shadow clones and they are all equally delayed

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen hare]

Good on them for enjoying the benefits of joining the local 69420

[vestal escarp]

Slowkari

[warm marlin]

perhaps akaari will soon join the union of clones not considered pets

[hazy breach]

Thats new then, because for most of beta its been 0.3 for wm

[tribal marsh]

No clue, very little, 71 ilvl new ding so

[vale pine]

clones strong together

[sick basin]

So I know in ST we can push haste super high like 30%+ but I've seen seen different ranges for M+. Is there like a base breakpoint or just a general 14-20% vibe?

[vale pine]

you usually want to be above 12%

after that its sim time

the profile uses around 20% for dungeon slice

[sick basin]

I think I'm like 12% and was debating re crafting for more haste

[tribal marsh]

Im at 17% as new ding.. lol

does more haste make you more rage starved or less?

[hazy breach]

You have infinite energy during your cooldowns either way

And outside of your cooldowns youre not doing much damage regardless

[sick basin]

Also is it just me or does feint usage feel rough/impossible outside of dance? Feels that way as Assa as well

[bleak wind]

Is haste affecting first dance intended (if its haste that is making it longer)

[hazy breach]

Presumably since it wasnt like that at the start and it got changed

[warm marlin]

just sac damage and hold your energy, not like you're doing much anyway

especially since you dont have cdr anymore

[sick basin]

True

[bleak wind]

also would you just send a sec tech outside of dance when dance is not up or is it better to wait? Keeps happening after second blades and I've been doing a naked sec tech and then dance just lines up better for the next blades as well

[hazy breach]

Probably, just depends on how much haste you have

[dry plank]

Same it is like sech tech is ready and 10s on dance

[hazy breach]

If it just makes you get +1 sectech cast without losing anything then why not

[bleak wind]

ye thats what Im thinking as well

[chrome palm]

it was at one point early in beta .6

strange

[grand pumice]

as a long time sin enjoyer tried out sub today now that its simple enough for me to play (felt pretty nice) am i doing my sht right if i just pop my cd:s and build and spend my combo points at 5-6 or are the some nuances

prio on the secret technique and then evi on st and blackpowder on aoe

[fallow nimbus]

Finish with 6+

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

We’re not pop dance on cd

[elder saddle]

Why do we play with Danse macabre if we don't really play around? I don't get it

[vale pine]

you still proc it 3 times in dance

thats enough

[dry plank]

There is nothing better

[vale pine]

they buffed the damage by like 150% to make us pick it

[crystal bone]

but blizz i want to play my own build

[elder saddle]

They should buff it again IMO, to force us to use backstab/shuriken tempest during SD 🙃

[hazy breach]

2

Shadowstrike and evis

[crystal bone]

how dare it not proc with sectec

[hazy breach]

Not coup either'

[vale pine]

secret?

[crystal bone]

a bug?

[hazy breach]

Nop

Does not trigger it

[vale pine]

oh, i missed that

[hazy breach]

Clone eviscerate does trigger it though

But not coup or sectech

[vale pine]

i know coup did not

👍

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-pile-welcome-gif-5346947976611020031

[elder saddle]

Weird

[woeful wren]

You would think dark brew would have a place given the tier set

[fallow nimbus]

when you log in and that happy face just smiles at you

[vale pine]

is he actually happy

[rapid forum]

did you guys just assume sec techs gender

[upbeat smelt]

Talking about the Apex talent clones?

[hollow spear]

He's smirking on the left, just can't see it because of the shade

[swift tinsel]

I tried making a version where he's happy but if you're more than 100 yards away from my computer it doesn't load

[hazy breach]

yes

[lilac stag]

We need a uwu Sectech replacement icon

[vale pine]

lol

[keen dome]

Replace it with

[upbeat smelt]

I just read something about turning off pet, does this roll up our clones damage into our damage in combat log? Does it change what we see as dmg in the combat text?

[cursive vapor]

sub is basically mad

[swift tinsel]

that's just Dave

[cursive vapor]

yea

[swift tinsel]

sneakin in the bushes, classic Dave

[cursive vapor]

wait isnt surv also a bush guy

[swift tinsel]

pretty sure its a girl

[harsh meadow]

He actually just looks more nefarious, not happy

[woeful wren]

Apex only lets us refund once right? so stacking higher is pointless or

[vale pine]

you can't refund multiple in a row

need to use a builder in between

if thats the question

[woeful wren]

ye, was just a question of is there a point to pre stacking other than first refund

[fossil forge]

Holy jawline

[woeful wren]

also do we have any numbers on beta trinkets yet*

ik haste on use is seen as good, but i did not like gaze of alnseer. is it vessel vs plume or

[visual lark]

trying to upgrade trinkets for ''free'' (just valorstones) but can't is it bugged or am I missing something

[spiral bloom]

Damn pay to win

[charred kestrel]

Item upgrade is bugged yes

[visual lark]

[charred kestrel]

I’ve been told that you can upgrade or downgrade crests(use the item after you do) and the item upgrade will work

Idk ask blizz spaghetti code why this is a thing

[sullen hare]

he's just a cool guy

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel addon ClearRogueCombopoints should remove them from the player frame on default UI

[swift tinsel]

ye

unless it broke

[lilac stag]

Wasn’t sure if you were looking for that

[swift tinsel]

oh

no i made that lol

[lilac stag]

Maybe it was someone else

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

tagging me with my own addon, call my mom tell her I'm famous

[lilac stag]

Like I look at addon authors.

They’re just paywall grifters

[swift tinsel]

damn straight

was trying to use Tartan UI Hider to remove the energy bar but no matter what I tried putting in from /framestack it didn't wanna poof away

[lilac stag]

Oooh it was energy bar

[swift tinsel]

might dig in to see how other the full ui replacers did it and try and snipe the script

[lilac stag]

I was thinking cps

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah that one was a simple script-to-lua file

[lilac stag]

Answered so much ui stuff it started blurring

[swift tinsel]

dude I feel that lol

the dms have slowed at least

now I have time to make fun of people on forums for saying rogue needs buffs bc of prepatch log damage

[cursive vapor]

i forgot i even set that as my stealth macro

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, another F1 stealth fan

[eager latch]

charrend was in a recent yoda video

small world!

[keen dome]

Sub world.

[eager latch]

he was sin in that key

[keen dome]

what the heck

[eager latch]

[keen dome]

[swift tinsel]

I'm a middle-mouse-button stealther myself

[sick basin]

Buff rogues, I want to go back to double rogue keys and watch our spec go from least played to top due to game balance

[eager latch]

i got stealth on shift-p

[swift tinsel]

that's unique

[sick basin]

You must have giant hands

[cursive vapor]

someone said esc-enter

[swift tinsel]

umm

trackpad gamer?

[lilac stag]

🏄 🏄‍♀️ 👍

[sullen hare]

mine's always been mouse button 5

[keen dome]

I wonder what NuSub's song would be..

[haughty mural]

Can you guys choose your arc profile on other chars without importing the string ?

As in just choose the profile via the drop down

[swift tinsel]

nope

gotta set up every time

even when you switch specs

thankfully you can import but its a bit of an annoying step

[haughty mural]

Thanks

[swift tinsel]

if you generate the export string on one spec then swap specs without logging out/back in the string itself should still be there so you can paste it in the import box directly below it

[broken seal]

I just saw some Youtuber saying that we must use shuriken storm while shadow dance when we are facing +3 target. But if we play trickster, is it still worth it ? because we need to setup coup de grace by using shadowstrike/backstab. So if we are spamming aoe spells even while the burst window, we are just loosing an important spell right ?

[lilac stag]

You should be able to select a profile and copy it

@haughty mural @swift tinsel

[swift tinsel]

specs have their own profile list and can't reference other spec's lists

and if you edit the Default profile, it is specific to that spec

[lilac stag]

correct. but just duplicate it and adjust

Don’t need to import / export

[swift tinsel]

you can't

[lilac stag]

you can unless it changed

[warm marlin]

storm will proc unseen blade with the talent clever combatant

[vale pine]

you use storm on 3+ always, there is no cleave anymore from nimble flurry

[swift tinsel]

you can copy a layout within a spec

but not across specs

at least as of last night

[lilac stag]

Did it Sunday as sub to outlaw

[west arch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[broken seal]

Fact I forgot to use it mb

[broken seal]

Yes i knew that but i forgot the clever combatant talent

[bleak wind]

why is the shadow version of shadowstrike hitting for more than double the original strike

[velvet nova]

caught raidbots lacking

[hazy breach]

Idk its not doing it on the beta, only seems to be prepatch

[hazy breach]

Ye i havent found a good fix for that issue, but it shouldnt impact anything

[haughty mural]

I need to check again - thanks

[bleak wind]

ye this doesn't seem normal

[alpine wraith]

only thing i can think about is some things getting double dipped to hell

maybe the crit dmg applies again

[hollow spear]

They should aura nerf us just to make sure

[hazy breach]

And for anybody curious, its doing this because sometimes its casting dance at like 45 energy so it cant afford to strike, but if i put energy>=50 the sim hates it and it shows like -2%

So not sure how to fix, but as i said it shouldnt really impact much

[warm marlin]

i assume you tried adding the energy check to only low cp dances

delaying a high cp start dance for energy could be why its losing damage?

[hazy breach]

Ye

It hates it regardless

[swift tinsel]

none of these let you copy a profile from another spec

[bleak wind]

also deathstalker currently doesn't do dance->finisher, which seems wrong

[hazy breach]

Yeah because its like -2% to do it in simc

[bleak wind]

same energy reasons?

or something else

[hazy breach]

Dont think so

Not sure why

But ive tried a bunch of stuff and nothing seemed better than simply having it be <=2 cp

[violet palm]

It doesn’t seems wrong to me. More Shadowstrike casts better than buffed fibishers

[bleak wind]

putting this actions+=/variable,name=shd_cp,value=(combo_points<=2|combo_points>=6)&talent.deathstalkers_mark|talent.unseen_blade&(combo_points<=1|combo_points>=6) is working for me

[hazy breach]

I should mention im talking about midnight, not prepatch

[bleak wind]

ah, I was talking about prepatch

guess that one doesn't really matter

[wanton oasis]

Just hoping to clarify a question on rotation - with 6+ CP and sectec + dance ready do you finish then dance or immediately dance+sectec?

[hazy breach]

Either

Or well, if sectech is ready send dance+sectech to not delay

But you can enter dance at either low or high cp

Just not like 4

[swift tinsel]

Think it might be time to race change to human and make a Maki transmog after watching the Perfect Prep episode of JJK

Pure cinema

[keen dome]

Just think of how much time you can save with double hearthstone charges

[swift tinsel]

Honestly I will take advantage of that a ton with transmog farming

Instead of the dalaran/housing hearthstone workaround

Do they still get rep bonus too?

[keen dome]

Nah, that got binned and we got double hearth charge instead

[swift tinsel]

Damn

[keen dome]

It's fine, imo.

[swift tinsel]

Was gonna say with the timewalking rep tokens you can speedrun exalted pretty easy

[keen dome]

oh it's also 5 minute less too

[alpine wraith]

it was broken for a while

but they fixed it

[swift tinsel]

It’s just a very cozy QoL thing

I think I have the sweatpants to do a Toji Fushiguro transmog too lol

[keen dome]

They're relatively easy to get 'cos they're monk lookalike

I think I have all difficulty versions haha

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah

And there should be a black short sleeve shirt that’s pretty easy to find if I don’t have one already

[keen dome]

They do give you the flattest ass in the world though

[swift tinsel]

Was catching up on the new season while doing my treadmilling last night lol

Dang that’s low-key kinda sad

I worked hard for that ass

[swift tinsel]

Y i k e s

You weren’t kidding lmao

[bleak night]

hank hill lookin ass

[keen dome]

Right??

They look hella comfy though. A buddy has them on her void elf and they look like the best PJ's

[hybrid wave]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stray oyster]

With trickster you use black powder in 2 mobs correct?

2 or more*

[hazy breach]

For both hero talents

[viral phoenix]

do you send this dance / sec tech? you'd have like 2 or 3 seconds of no shadow dance in the next blades if you sent blades off CD right?

[short radish]

should be a send since still 23 seconds on sblade

[radiant swift]

are the overlaps gona change any in midnight? One dance almost covers all of Blades

[hazy breach]

The tier set makes blades 4 seconds longer

[radiant swift]

ohh

dope

[soft summit]

whats are bis non raid trinkets in prepatch

[flint parrot]

it's kinda weird because sometimes if u consume mark by first global in dance and it procs u can consume it twice within one dance

[brisk hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rtqasymtLZ6A6c2GBqUJuC

[soft summit]

cheers but Screams of a Forgotten Sky is a raid trinket

looking for non raid trinkets

[brisk hollow]

so scroll down and look at the comparisons

[soft summit]

ah thanks

[viral phoenix]

OK I just foudn that there'd be 3 seconds of downtime or so in that next shadow blades if I do send that dance but yeah it def didnt feel correct to hold or anything. I just dont understand how you're supposed to have 2 charges of dance when blades comes up if you send there

it would be like 1 and a half for me

[short radish]

#subtlety message

not entirely the same but i asked something similar last night

so you can give that a read and see what eleem says

[umbral mauve]

Hey all super noob question here.. New to Rogue.. While playing Sub and using Shadowdance what is the best way you guys find to use your finishers while the stealth bar replaces the main keys. Cant seem to avoid the stealth bar entirely.

[hazy breach]

Either get an addon to disable it or make your stealth bar identical to your regular bar

[viral phoenix]

I'm still honestly confused how you guys are getting to 2 full charges of shadow dance before non-opener blades. How many dances are you sending in between blades? I logged myself and outside of the 2 during shadow blades I send 3 dance/sectechs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YgrWLTq6N341vctA?fight=1&type=casts&source=9&view=timeline
For my 2nd shadow blades I had 2 globals outside of dance tho, and you guys are saying you don't have that?

How much does sec tech Cooldown matter? my sec tech duration for this during beta was 22 sec cd. (On Live its 19 sec CD but that doesnt change that I consistently have 2 globals of non shadow dance in the 2nd blades)

[alpine wraith]

you also need some baseline haste to get dance to almost 9 secs with trinket on

[viral phoenix]

Okay, so it's a haste issue thing? On live I was playing w/ 30% haste but you also need a haste trinket on use to stretch out dance so you don't have globals outside of dance on blades?

[hazy breach]

Haste doesnt give dance cdr

If you are always 3 dancing outside of blades you arent gonna hit 2 in blades

80 seconds is 4 casts

So 90 seconds is 4.5 casts, so you cant fit 5 casts consistently everytime

[viral phoenix]

Okay so you bounce between 5 and 4 casts every other?

[hazy breach]

Assuming theres no mechanics you would do that ye

[viral phoenix]

yeye assuming target dummy shenanigans

[viral phoenix]

so you WOULD cast shadowdance/sec tech here, and use other supplemental externals or gear to try to increase shadow dance duration enough that you don't have to eat non dance globals in blades? Or does that just kinda happen

[hazy breach]

I mean most likely you just delay blades by like 2 seconds

[viral phoenix]

ok that works just casting blades when dance is 7-8 sec off cd or whatever

[pale rock]

so, just wanting to clarify the FAQ, we use shuriken storm as a combo builder outside of shadowdance on two targets, does this apply to bosses? i.e two boss encounters? and do we just slam evis or black powder as a finisher in that situation

[hazy breach]

Why wouldnt it apply to bosses

Theres nothing special about bosses making them take less damage from storm only

[pale rock]

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking to clarify now would I?

[plush roost]

Out of curiosity how much of a loss is it to evis vs bp in 2 target now?

[pale rock]

I wanted to confirm if we use black powder or evis as well

[plush roost]

Sometimes u know a mob is like 10% higher and i feel like i should evis

Just griefing overall zzz

[brisk onyx]

Are the rules for storm the same in Trickster and DS?

[hazy breach]

Not very big

[bleak night]

acquire overall

[hazy breach]

Sims say 0.8%, but thats without potent powder

[plush roost]

Ye didnt think so, honestly just wanted to not feel like im griefing myself lmao

Anything less than 2% is worth

If a mob too health

[hazy breach]

Seems to be more like 4% for deathstalker, which makes sense as it has stuff buffing BP exclusively

Whereas trickster buffs all finishers

[finite crow]

idk if im trippin but all my sims are showing screams trink not performing

only on st its good its saying to run forge on aoe

[wanton oasis]

Screams has been doing 3-4% of total in keys for me. Logs seem to favor antenna/prism in keys iirc.

[finite crow]

idk i tried it and i got more value in high keys from prism and forge

[tender dust]

I saw this on shindigg video today. it kinda helped me remembering stuff

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[soft summit]

how much haste do we need to be able to use Sectech inside blades?

2x sectech*

[hazy breach]

Like 70% rn

Midnight Tierset makes blades longer so you only need ~38%

[shrewd lantern]

is symbiosis still bugged

[short radish]

oh yeah how does haste procs work when you already press sdance?

aka you get lust after you press dance

[molten citrus]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[shrewd lantern]

@short radish you think blizz will action me

for having sophic on my weps

[molten citrus]

We asked to remove clones and their bugs

We get 20 more clone bugs ?

[short radish]

0 chance

nothing a rogue does gets noticed

[shrewd lantern]

wait lingering buffs non rogue abilities again

[short radish]

oh no

[shrewd lantern]

ngl i should have big brained and enchanted the 15% attackspeed enchant

from bfa

[shrewd lantern]

i havent played since before patch is there just one build

for nk/dimmy

[short radish]

i just played full single target the entire time

[shrewd lantern]

is there a diff now

annsie running forge on dimmy lmao

[short radish]

idk

all i know is DS is the go

[shrewd lantern]

the reason i asked if i would get actioned

[shrewd lantern]

they now made old enchants not work on gear above 120

[short radish]

oh

[shrewd lantern]

it still very much is proccing

on stuff that was enchanted pre fix

[short radish]

just a happy little accident

[shrewd lantern]

my brain keeps trying to rupture

[molten citrus]

[short radish]

yeah my opener feels so.... empty now

[shrewd lantern]

are we just striking secteching

lol

with a dance

[short radish]

think so

[molten citrus]

[shrewd lantern]

shoutout my muscle memory hitting backstab

[molten citrus]

Shit feels so strange

[shrewd lantern]

that 15% attackspeed enchant

is prob giga with how much white swings do now

[slender beacon]

is running [#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab] shitty? or any sort of delay there

[shrewd lantern]

@short radish man looking at the guide spec looks so empty now

ig maybe theres niche scenarios you auto for a bit to fit darkest night into supercharger

[short radish]

yes because of stance delay. have separate binds

[short radish]

#subtlety message

i asked something similar ish last night

i think maybe with apex talents you auto a bit

but thats to set up for sectech

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i guess rn you just hope they line up sometimes natty?

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

you can supercharge both the dn evis and the sectech cant you

[short radish]

think so but dont quote me on t hat

dont see why you wouldnt be able to

[shrewd lantern]

but then ig you'd have to be in a situation you send dance sectech on the last mark stack

then got to evis on dn

[short radish]

or you have dn up

and just dont consume it

you press sectech first

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

ngl this feels like

the only real minmax we can do rn

[short radish]

gotta wait for apex talents to have fun

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i think im being dragged to raid tmrw

hopeefully we out fast

[short radish]

it'll take like

an hour

[shrewd lantern]

ill need to sacrifice a few gnomes

for sophic to proc on dimmy burn

[short radish]

lmao

[shrewd lantern]

do you need to hold at all

killtimes are like 4:30 from what i saw

[short radish]

i held

and got a r3 with lily + antenna and having set up my UI + looked at rotation 20 minutes before raid

[shrewd lantern]

i think the 80k guy got his log removed

unlucky

[short radish]

unluggy

[shrewd lantern]

idk im looking at the guide and theres like

nothing

mfw the cooldown manager is tracking symbols by default

[torn tide]

whats the apex for sub again?

[short radish]

fucked if i know

does some stuff with clones

full of bugs

[shrewd lantern]

thats a feature

[lilac stag]

as is the same for every class/spec. the base of sub is still the same. nothing in depth (as much as there can be) is done with prepatch by any of the TCs.

literally every discord thinks their main was pruned into oblivion and the alt look so much better.

[shrewd lantern]

of rogue

wait how tf do you prune fury warrior

that spec was already 2 buttons

[short radish]

apparently they somehow managed to prune BM

[shrewd lantern]

[lilac stag]

You either figure out that it’ll be ok and you enjoy it or dwell on where is everything. If you’re gonna sit there and not realize the overall changes it’s likely better just to quit

but going to have to figure that out on their own

[bleak night]

the bm pruning was very funny to watch

they combined cotw and bloodshed saying bm didnt really need both of them and they liked bloodshed better

then later they said actually yeah bloodshed sucks we're just gonna put it into bestial wrath

[tardy badge]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[grand summit]

Can someone explain like im five how this is optimal

[tardy badge]

what the fuck did i just read

what is that the context of?

[grand summit]

Its in the Subtley faq

[tardy badge]

oh i get it

[grand summit]

Im trying to understand it

[tardy badge]

okay so

thjats for the apex talent

we dont have those yet lol

dont worry about it until ur 90 and midnights out

[grand summit]

Yeah I know its for apex

but like

What does it optimize is what im asking

[tardy badge]

i completely forgot and im in a raid so i can't check what the apex does

ik if i have to overflow combo points its for a good reason

[short radish]

probably the refund of combo points

wait nvm

im blind

[grand summit]

I will wait for those experts

[lilac stag]

Youre forcing triggers of the apex

The entirety of dance

[narrow shadow]

I'm no expert but it is to trigger this.

That's how you generate the shadow clones

[grand summit]

I did see that

but how is that worth overcapping

[graceful rock]

youre gonna be overcapping regardless

so its better to save shadow techniqwues

[plush roost]

When u trigger ancient arts on a finisher, the clone does another finisher. The clones are shadow, benefit from all our magic amps and such and do more damage than the finishers themselves.

Doing this results in your dances amping extra clones. So instead of using the refund to finish again and not get a clone, youre cheating it by instead using a builder to proc more clones.

Example 1. Not playing around this.

Dance strike > sec tec > strike > (ancient arts procs) evis(1 clone) > evis > strike > (proc) evis (2nd clone) > evis > dance > strike > (aa proc) evis (3rd) > evis > strike > (aa) evis (4th) > evis. 4 clones total.

Example 2: applying this.

Dance Strike > sec tec > strike > (aa) evis (1) > strike > (aa) evis (2) > strike > (aa) evis (3) > dance strike > (aa) evis (4) > strike > (aa) evis (5) > strike > (aa) evis (6) > strike > (aa) evis (7) > strike > (aa) evis (8)

8 clones. 16 globals

And this is what those extra clones do in damage

[grand summit]

ur the goat tyty

[plush roost]

Clone evis 4th on damage is insane

Ofc sometimes u dont have enough haste or didnt pool or w.e and u wont always get 8 clones per cd set but thats the idea

[grand summit]

So clones are goated and are worth weaving for

[plush roost]

Yes, this interaction will probably be fixed tho

[alpine wraith]

and keep in mind it is only better on trickster mainly because it buffs all finishers kinda by default more than DS

[plush roost]

Its still good to do on DS iirc, but ye trickster beeg value

[alpine wraith]

it is a bit silly but i actually think they may leave this one on for a bit

[graceful rock]

^

[plush roost]

Ye then sub will overperform,get nerfed, and then this gets fixed

The 1-2 punch

[graceful rock]

[alpine wraith]

yea the hc week special

welcome

[graceful rock]

I don’t really see a direct fix

Unless you nerf clones but then

[plush roost]

Secret techniques must fill a combo point

[alpine wraith]

they cant really nerf evis a lot or apex

even sec tech still has some dmg bugs

so maybe if they fix all the bugs it is an aura nerf

not much more

[tender dust]

Guys, i was looking at some macros for sub. and i saw the SB + dance + sectech macro. wouldnt that mean you would only ever press this macro on full combo points if pressing this one 1 combo point you would lose alot of damage?

[graceful rock]

Hmmm yeah since it’s probably just lazy checking if we’re at 5+ instead of spending

[plush roost]

Correct this is if u start at 7cp

[tender dust]

If you say start at 7cp? how do you start at 7cp? wouldnt you need to strike first + evis?

[plush roost]

Opener> strike evis vanish strike (7cp) macro

[tender dust]

ah oke cool

[plush roost]

Middle of combat, backstab to 7, start cds

[tender dust]

Yeah thats what i thought. thank you charrend

[plush roost]

Np king

Just dont delay sec tec to build to 7

If ur low cp just dance strike sec tec

No macro gaming

[tender dust]

Yeah. makes sense

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[tender dust]

Morning broski

[alpine wraith]

ideally you have a dance+strike macro but that one does not work because of changes they made ages ago

but the dance+sec tech should work

[vale pine]

dance + strike macro stopped working more recently

so not a decade ago

[alpine wraith]

yea between 2 and 5 years

i dont remember was it sl or df

[vale pine]

dance used to work diffrently

you had a short phase you could not use dance again

that was iirc changed in bfa

where changes to the spell made you burn all charges if you did press the key multiple times

which was then changed to not allow dance to be used during dance

because it seems they couldn't figure out how to revert to the previouse change

(or well, the effort was higher)

this lead to all sort of bugs, where you can or could not use dance during certain parts of the spell

dance i think was changed in df or tww, i don't exactly know the moment tho

[alpine wraith]

the funniest one for me to this day is when they realized the super mantle situation

of dance protecting normal stealth

[vale pine]

that was legion

[alpine wraith]

and just nuked everything

[vale pine]

and still created issues

[alpine wraith]

yea

[vale pine]

*creates

[alpine wraith]

they went scorched+salted earth

[vale pine]

it was a massive exploit for pvp

and as much as we dislike it, pvp was for most part what subtlety was designed around

[alpine wraith]

people forget we had full stealth subterfuge for so long

that one was even sillier

you were hitting someone and they couldnt do anything to target you XD

[haughty mural]

iirc it stopped working in df

when i cam back to the game

after my sl skip

[tribal blade]

new house build made

i think this one is special

i'll take screenshots and upload it sometime soon

[vale pine]

can't wait 👀

[brisk onyx]

[alpine wraith]

another trap for sure

[vale pine]

don't jinx it ^^

[keen dome]

Someday they will unleash the world together and we can come visit each other

And I can get stuck in your house

[tribal blade]

TRUE

that would be fun

[keen dome]

Also then I could assemble a very laggy sub rogue raid

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[fallow nimbus]

I use dance+strike just fine

Do i spam the key? Maybe

[keen dome]

The sub rotation will eternally be 1 6 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3

[fallow nimbus]

Wtf is 6?

[keen dome]

SecTec

[chrome palm]

6 is racial ofc

[fleet wharf]

Is it gonna get any better with midnight?

[chrome palm]

apex talents make it play better generally speaking

[fallow nimbus]

It's 1 5 1 2 1 2 1 2 5 is blades dance sectec macro

[chrome palm]

but also, i dont really see how it would get worse in any way, so there is a silver lining

[fleet wharf]

would getting worse be just spamming shadowstrike over and over again

feels pretty unengaging atm

[chrome palm]

sure but that isnt happening

they already tried it

lol

[fleet wharf]

i know

[keen dome]

Just like two weeks ago you'll still be doing Dance and then SecTec and then Strike Evis strike Evis etc.

[fallow nimbus]

Wasn't double strike a little gain?

[fleet wharf]

idk man I just want to have something to think about

[chrome palm]

hero talents are the only thing requiring thought rn

[fleet wharf]

it's such a whiplash

going from what we had to just doing ss evisc

[elder minnow]

quick question guys i havent followed the recent changes. i heard sub was gutted too much but i also enjoyed ele sham in its current state. is sub somewhat similar in complexity?

[fleet wharf]

what is your baseline

[keen dome]

Sub is fine, it's a lot simpler and cleaner to play

You should try it and see how you find it 'cos it's gonna be pretty subjective if you like it or not.

[chrome palm]

like in terms of thought, you dont have much of that in the spec itself, but as a dps of course you still need to consider priority damage, and doing this as sub is actually not super straightforward and there are probably some specific ways to increase priority damage, and of course you still need to weight when its valuable to hold cds

[fleet wharf]

can we hold for dps though? I feel our ability to move around damage was much greater before

[keen dome]

Ye, the general gameplay thought is still there. It's just smoother, with less moving parts.

[fleet wharf]

like holding on to sec tech feels really bad rn

[chrome palm]

and much of the gameplay on beta is just not extremely intuitive, if you read what eleem was looking into with the apex talent for instance, or like not proccing the apex on secret technique, or using supercharger correctly

[fallow nimbus]

The hardest part is to not drift into nothingness and keep watching sectec+dance cd

[chrome palm]

a lot of that is just trying to avoid the huge pitfalls the spec has with bugs

[fleet wharf]

i mean you can already do that while playing assa

[chrome palm]

no you dont i just mean like holding blades and such

things every dps spec does for the most part

not sub-specific timings

[tribal blade]

i suspect they'll discover you'll want to hold coup/DN for supercharger and apex

[fallow nimbus]

Now sub can too, don't cap energy is all you need between dances

[chrome palm]

weird part is coup doesnt benefit from supercharger alone and dn doesnt benefit from apex

[fleet wharf]

Like I don't mind the spec becoming just builder spender, I wish we got more of the shadowdance flexibility back

[tribal blade]

ohhhhh ok that's why it's not a gain currently

[chrome palm]

coup is linear of course

[vestal escarp]

That really didnt change much... We still hold 2 for blades and use the in-betweens whenever

[chrome palm]

so it doesnt matter if you supercharge it, compared to a regular evis

[tribal blade]

i still never understood why supercharging coup was the same as evis

[fallow nimbus]

Some next patch we maybe get the free sectec and can dance more flexible

[chrome palm]

darkest night is just legit bugged and the apex pretends that its a regular eviscerat IIRC

[fleet wharf]

sorry to be derailing it a bit, but this is exactly why I'm unhappy with the current changes because we went from kind of being a DPS scalpel to just another run of the mill dps

[keen dome]

I would like one more button and I'd like it to be some kind of amp system that your gameplay fuels, then you unleash for critical burst mode at some point (Netherprism).

[tribal blade]

no shot

sad

[chrome palm]

yeah like

having coup, dn, and secret technique being largely bugged with apex is a huge L

[tribal blade]

DN supercharged with apex would be such a massive hit

[fleet wharf]

surely they'll fix it

[keen dome]

It wouldn't be Sub if it wasn't lmao

[chrome palm]

SHT generation is so high though that

[patent crystal]

next year maybe

[tribal blade]

i still haven't been on the beta but i suspect you get a fuckton of refunds

[chrome palm]

yeah and theres the thing about overcapping cp as well right

i dont remember if that was just for blades or not

but if they fix more sht bugs then

they should really tune down the auto attack sht generation

and make sht generation rely more on clones imo

[rocky lake]

Was hitting dummies with the singlebutton-assistant and it seems to queue alternating poisons into the rotation whilst the duration has ~59min remaining. Anyone else has this happening?

[tribal blade]

would be cool

[chrome palm]

that way you dont lose massive amounts of damage from not having a blue in the group

[tribal blade]

LOL

[chrome palm]

damn is obr catching up to the poison swap tech already

[keen dome]

That'd be cool and I hope more of our identity goes into Shadow and Shadow Clone stuff 'cos it's cool

[tribal blade]

oh is there actual tech

[rocky lake]

maybe it queues it on low energy after weapon swing

[chrome palm]

someone in red channels

was complaining that obr was telling him to swap off wound/crippling poison

are you using those

[rocky lake]

it mostly switches between wound/instant but only been hitting for like 2 min

[chrome palm]

maybe try not using wound at all

is it telling you to use wound?

[rocky lake]

yea, also atrophic i notice now

[chrome palm]

bizarre

[rocky lake]

lol just now i had it queue instant poison into wound poison , 2 psn casts back to back

[chrome palm]

o_O

it knows something we dont

[keen dome]

Poison toggle??

What happens if you relog?

[chrome palm]

maybe obr-gpt thinks youre using dragon tempered blades or something lolol

[keen dome]

Maybe it's gotten something stuck

[rocky lake]

nah had it yesterday as well

[keen dome]

Weird

And very funny

I need to sort some RL stuff but when I get back I'll turn it on and have a look too

[tribal blade]

well good news is the baseline of sub is much less complicated than before so i don't think you need 1 button to play

[fleet wharf]

what if I need help pressing eviscerate after pressing backstab?

[keen dome]

Weird, mine is only suggesting poisons once (at the start, when I didn't have any)

Although it did, for whatever reason, go Instant -> Crippling -> Numbing lmao

[cosmic dust]

is raidbots for sub working rn? The numbers seem pretty low

[narrow shadow]

In beta, do we stop spending CPs and start pooling ShT at some point before Dances similar to pre-rework?

[vale pine]

raidbots works yes

[vale pine]

we haven't found a optimization around that currently, so no

also the rate at which sht procs seems too high to make it worth

[lilac stag]

An optimization was found for it

FAQ says to

#subtlety message

[onyx skiff]

sorry I'm dumb but can someone explain the logic to me of macroing dance and SecTec together

if the idea is to dance on low CP

[lilac stag]

The idea is low cp or full cp.

Full cp lets you Sectech immediately which makes sure you get all globals in dance.

@narrow shadow you do pool on beta. #subtlety message

[vale pine]

thats diffrent

what was asked for was to not use builder before shadow dance

so you conserve sht stacks

which does not seem to be worth it

ofc there is the mentioned optimization during dance

[alpine wraith]

basically best you can do is look at sec tech and blades cd

and ask yourself can i stab to full or not

but even if you are at like 2 or 1 cp

you just dance strike

instead of trying to stab to full

[lilac stag]

I know it’s early for me but this is literally what they asked.

[alpine wraith]

yea that situation is you just stabbed to full and sec tech is about to come home

but idk how many seconds is the border

[lilac stag]

Correct.

[alpine wraith]

like maybe 3 or 4

[lilac stag]

Fuu told them no

[vale pine]

the message you linked mentioned dance^^

[lilac stag]

[vale pine]

but you are right

there is a few sec of time you can hold on

[alpine wraith]

well it can be confusing but yea we are ignoring dance cd most of the time tbh

unless it is for blades

then you just kinda remember you dance duration and say ok we can get 2 here

i will miss addons if i could just have a little dance with a number to know current dance duration

maybe someone makes that

and we gamble with weapon and other proc haste shit

[tribal blade]

true with how sectec works now you never need to look at dance cd unless blades is coming up

[lilac stag]

The message I linked was for trying to optimize the apex triggers, which also involves sht stacking

[alpine wraith]

apex can get a bit weird if you have decent haste and skyfury

[lilac stag]

Until bliz says too much fun is being had

[alpine wraith]

you end dance with 7 or so stacks even after doing strike evis strike evis

[vale pine]

this?

[alpine wraith]

yea i expect them to nerf shadowcraft again maybe

because nerfing apex would be distasteful

[vale pine]

i would not say its making a clear point that you pool sht before dance

just states how you play around it during dance

[tribal blade]

part of what i made

hopefully the screenshot does it justice

[alpine wraith]

psycho cube

[tribal blade]

hidden power within

need sylvanas to come along and rip it open

[alpine wraith]

i mean for sht before sec tech eventually we will have more clear numbers

[keen dome]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:knlfvajuef3zmiygdxwphfzn/bafkreia44ljtswhadh6og54mtlz3762kkdtsgwzmtgtj6mk376xkhyrmgq@jpeg

[alpine wraith]

now any random change blizz does can krangle things

[chrome palm]

ok

i visited this guys house and it was a twin peaks scene now he is developing the wonder weapons

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[vale pine]

nice

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade out here trying to recreate https://www.thehouseontherock.com/

[tribal blade]

oh you are?

[lilac stag]

You are

[tribal blade]

oh gotcha haha

[lilac stag]

I haven’t been there in awhile but it’s an insanely fun creation to visit

[cosmic dust]

How can it be that there are such big differences in DPS during raids? Is it all down to the trinkets? On our first clear I used prism, which is pretty damn shit right now with these killtimes

[keen dome]

Less initial oomph will def play a part with the killtimers, yeah

[lilac stag]

maybe use prism on dimmy

Idk What would make anyone want to use it on a fight less than 3:30

[cosmic dust]

I got the 35% haste, stats should be fine

I have around 45% crit 35% haste 55% mast 25% vers without any flasks or so

[cosmic dust]

I just didnt know that the killtimers are THAT low

[lilac stag]

Tuesday a simple look at wcl would have told ya.

but I get it

[cosmic dust]

yeahyeah its a shame on me

I think with the dim trinket and like araz or soulhunters trinket I should be good

[tribal blade]

interesting everyone's running ritual forge now

[keen dome]

Lily is still nice

[lilac stag]

I ran Lily, but I didn’t sim anything

[keen dome]

I wish I had a myth Forge but effort

[tribal blade]

that's kinda banking on your raid killing sub 1:30

[lilac stag]

I think doge is what everyone had

[lilac stag]

1:47 would be ideal

130 is likely forge

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm looking at the first fight in the raid that goes over 1:30 (soul hunters) and the peeps running lily are on top

i have no idea how fast my guild is gonna kill bosses

last week on reset

does my guild do more dmg this week since it's not a lot of their first times seeing their class changes

i think i'll just run forge and whatever happens happens

[lilac stag]

You’ve got 3 fights that get 1/2 a use of Lily

so idk

You don’t have mythic Lily either right?

Forge also good with TFD likely so it’s probably w/e

We’re in dance for so long in the opener with decent haste

I wonder how many are doing a pre-dance warmup routine.

[short radish]

definitely me

this one is so much easier

20 seconds instead of 30

and none of this - if you wipe with 0 stacks

you gotta wait a whole minute

[cosmic dust]

how?

[lilac stag]

same way you did it last tier, just replace symbols

[cosmic dust]

I have to ask again Last Season all i did was symbols before the fight, now its just 1x dance to get the 2 supercharged?

[vale pine]

yes

it just changed

from symbols to dance

[hazy breach]

Let's say evis does 1 damage per cp. Supercharging an eviscerate makes you do 10 damage instead of 7, so +3.
Supercharging coup makes you do 15 instead of 12, also +3

Since Supercharger is +cp and not %more damage

[tribal blade]

ahhhh ok i get it now

[vale hull]

why is umbral edge picked ? and isnt shuriken tornado better for mythic plus aoe?

[chrome palm]

15% clone damage

[vale hull]

its confusing, we dont pick any talents that spawn clones but still pick talents that increase clone damage ?

weaponmaster isnt picked, shuriken tornado neither, whats the point to increase clone damage?

[tribal blade]

sectec fires clones

2 clones

also when we get the apex that gives a lot of clones

[vale hull]

i thought about it, i tried to see the damage increase on Secret technique but i saw no increase at all

[chrome palm]

Which SS

[vale hull]

secret technique

sorry

st

[chrome palm]

Ok that is a new one

There aren’t a lot of great talents

I suppose

But that talent gets very strong in midnight

[brisk onyx]

akaari from sec tech = shadow clone

[tribal blade]

yeah keep in mind our whole toolkit is missing a big piece atm

apex pretty big for sub

[vale hull]

yes youre right, it feels half done and awkward rn

[tribal blade]

i haven't looked at other classes apexs, but i figure ours is on the strong side

[hazy breach]

It does increase secret technique

You probably just havent enabled pets in your combatlog so youre not seeing the clones

[swift tinsel]

A fair few apex are like 100% passive so the spectrum of effect is quite large across specs

[lapis hatch]

We shuriken in dance now instead of shadow strike at how many targets? Is it much of a loss to shadow strike instead for prio

[tribal blade]

iirc at 2 you strike, 3 storm

but i wouldn't strike for prio in aoe

you lose a lot of cp generation

[vale hull]

idk but in m+ i often refresh my mark with shadowstrike, because of singular focus

[lapis hatch]

Hmm ok

Ty

[tribal blade]

strike is now +2 CP and storm is +7

[lapis hatch]

DS still feels bad for me in m+ with darkest night in aoe etc.

[tribal blade]

so more than triple the CP generation in aoe

[lapis hatch]

Ah I gotcha

[vale hull]

during dance shadowstrike often fill all your cp, so its worth to proc it again for singular focus

not as if shuriken storm does a lot of damage

[tribal blade]

yeah but when we get the apex that'll be sht going to filling your CPs instead of proccing refunds

and storm does much more dmg than it used to

it now has a dance modifier

plus both hero trees have talents buffing storm

i can't remember if the dance modifier is 50% or 100%

but it's big

[lapis hatch]

You shadow strike once for macabre at least?

[tribal blade]

maybe with premed up and you want to prio

but you will lose overall dps doing that most likely

definitely gain prio though

[vale hull]

isnt prio more important for m+ ?

[tribal blade]

depends on your group comp

[lapis hatch]

Do we do anything weird to gain macabre stacks then? Seems we just ignore it and do our prio abilities

[tribal blade]

if you're in a key with 2 other pad aoers yeah probably better to prio more

[vale hull]

thats a good thinking

[tribal blade]

and if you're in a weekly key it doesn't matter

[tribal blade]

currently no but things could change

[haughty mural]

100

[tribal blade]

maybe they tune DM to do more dmg and we start casting storm in ST

[hazy breach]

Well its once strike every 60 seconds

Just to keep the mark up

[limpid sage]

Haven’t followed in here too much (rip laptop), but what target count is Shuriken>Strike currently? 2?

[hazy breach]

3

[limpid sage]

Ah okay

[tribal blade]

ah yeah that's right

[haughty mural]

inside or outside dance ?

[hazy breach]

Well you cant really use strike much outside of dance

[haughty mural]

did not turn on my brain

[alpine wraith]

dont worry you have 1 chance every 2 minuts to strike too

make it count

[tribal blade]

i'm betting you saw Shuriken>Strike and your brain made that read as "Shuriken Storm"

[haughty mural]

kinda

[limpid sage]

Dw no brain needed for new sub

(I’m just hating - haven’t actually tried it yet)

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

kinda yes but also no but also yes

so basically yes no

so yes

no?

[ripe flame]

maybe, perhaps, mayhaps?

[chrome palm]

Sub can’t get reworked until you spec into it

[limpid sage]

yeah nah or nah yeah?

[tribal blade]

yeah yeah nahhhhh

[limpid sage]

Perchance.

[tribal blade]

yeahhh

[short radish]

you should cast ss instead of ss when there's more than 3 targets

[tribal blade]

AH gotcha

also cast ST

[short radish]

make sure to pile up your ST procs before you are about to ST as a minor optimisation

this is only valid in the beta though and not live

[tribal blade]

write that down

[short radish]

the fact they made secret technique and shadowed techniques

is absolutely criminal

like at that point it's intentional fuckery

[haughty mural]

ShT were first

[limpid sage]

There’s no case of sending raw Secret Technique anymore right?

[haughty mural]

[limpid sage]

Just thinking if I should do myself a favor and bind dance to my ST button

[haughty mural]

i dont think so

[fallow nimbus]

Ss or vanish>ss if you are out of range

[short radish]

you might enter dance without max CP

[haughty mural]

noooo

[tribal blade]

i bound dance+sectec macro to my old sectec+CB bind

and have solo dance button still

[short radish]

wait this is so smart

[tribal blade]

it feels like the muscle memory is already halfway there for that bind

[lilac stag]

Where do you have your dance Evis macro?

[limpid sage]

Ye but then I’ll just press my dance->strike macro

[lilac stag]

You know that doesn’t work correctly yea?

[tribal blade]

nauurrwww

[haughty mural]

you still got your flag and rupture binds

for that

[lilac stag]

interesting keybind choice

[haughty mural]

if you want

or you just got quick fingers

[lilac stag]

clearly we’re all old playing a 2 button spec

[limpid sage]

Not binding ST to dance but dance to ST is what I mean

[lilac stag]

Strike Dance macros don’t work with the delay

[haughty mural]

keep one bind empty though

coming soon

[lilac stag]

That’s where rupture was

[idle aurora]

Sooo I’m going to ask dumb 🙋. Is it really possible to sec Tec every shadow dance is that really a thing now with enough haste?

I currently dont have enough haste but that feels impossible lol

Or I should say feels insane strong if so

[swift tinsel]

You time Dance around Sectech

So that you supercharge it

[idle aurora]

Oh so it’s not lining up perfectly per say you might just hold for a second or two to juice

[chrome palm]

well, you always have the option to dance generally speaking

youre just waiting on secret technique to come back up, except for in blades

[idle aurora]

Ty 🙂

That makes sense

[chrome palm]

so you hold dance for when that happens, but occassionally you might need to wait a second or two if dance is on cd, for whatever reason

external haste mixes up the timings slightly

[swift tinsel]

banger notes today or tomorrow trust fr fr on god

[idle aurora]

Yeah so I’ll have a dance button for blades and a dance sec tec for non blades

[swift tinsel]

sectech cd situation surely saved

[chrome palm]

well, you could just use the same button

[idle aurora]

Oh fair it wouldn’t be up

[chrome palm]

but its always good to give everything its own bind

[lilac stag]

Unless you need to hold blades for fight timings

[chrome palm]

oh yeah i just mean dance doesnt necessarily need its own button is all

separate from secret technique

[limpid sage]

Oh ye it’s a castsequence one

[idle aurora]

Is it still better to go in low combo, dance strike, sec tec?

Or just have the points and dance, sec Tec

[hazy breach]

Either

[swift tinsel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Just don’t middle of the road it

[fallow nimbus]

Don't do that just bind it and double tap it

I use the old bs in dance macro from fuu and replaced bs with strike. Double tap fires it fine and then you can just use it as a strike hotkey

[tribal blade]

i'll be so happy if they finally fix the strike macro issue

i used to abuse that macro so much back in the day

[vale pine]

+1

[hazy breach]

Speaking of, i checked in simc yesterday. Every 0.1 second you delay between dance and the follow spell costs about 0.3%

So its not the end of the world, but it aint great

[harsh meadow]

So macro big value

[hollow spear]

And not sending shadow dance before the next gcd is ready is even bigger value

I don't wanna know how often I lost half a second by just mindlessly spamming buttons

[humble jolt]

Don't tell Whispyr I was here.

[haughty mural]

+1

[haughty mural]

@ Whispyr

[red vortex]

That sounds shit

[wispy pebble]

Guess this is my sign to macro dance and shadowblades so i can press next spell asap lmao

[swift tinsel]

castsequence macro of strike-evisc-strike-evisc etc

for post-sectech dance

[wispy pebble]

I though castsequence macros like that were dead?

Id rather not though XD

[swift tinsel]

can have that in my old rupture spot lol

sectech already has cancelaura ancient arts in it

prepped for midnight

[haughty mural]

or maybe the bug will get fixed till release ?

[alpine wraith]

you can indeed make a castsecuence reset 2 with strike and evis to spam yes

but actually nevermind

[tulip light]

guys im a bit confused - this is from the same guide 2 sentence apart : "We shift to a multi-target priority at 3 targets," "Start using Aoe spells with 2 or more targets."

[rapid sinew]

quick question, sorry if this has been asked its pretty specific. Does the new Atrophic poison stack with Devo?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[rapid sinew]

ty ty

[alpine wraith]

2 targets you bp

from 3 onwards you also storm but storm and strike are quite close at 2

[tulip light]

i see thanks

[chrome palm]

They stack multiplicatively like most dr

[limpid sage]

That’s what I do

[mighty citrus]

!dance

[swift tinsel]

hey WA shared their media pack, I can get my batman punches back

[red vortex]

really?

i can get my sound effects back?

[swift tinsel]

yeah its on Curseforge as of a couple hours ago under WeakAuras_SharedMedia

[red vortex]

oh banger

thanks!

[swift tinsel]

Textures, fonts and sounds

[ripe flame]

the meow is back!

[mighty citrus]

i need the blizzbossmod to tell me to move 😄 does this work as well

[soft summit]

For simplicity sake then, strike/eviscerate 1 target, Storm/BP 2 targets

[vale pine]

i mean ^^

4 buttons is all you need

[alpine wraith]

no i need my taivan macros

people need to know when i pop vanish a dog ass big boi pops

[sullen hare]

my raid got upset with me for having the archmage's spare staff in my vanish macro

[shrewd lantern]

is it on global

[alpine wraith]

it was used to shadowstep

very useful in bosses like uu nat

but i think they killed

it

now i think there is only 1 last trick but it is a secret

[vale pine]

its not a secret

[alpine wraith]

dont tell them the secret magic!

[vale pine]

unless we talk about a diffrent trick

[alpine wraith]

it was sealed for a reason

also it is annoying to farm anyways

[vale pine]

i mean you can probably find it in my message history at least 8-10 times

[alpine wraith]

dont remember if you can still buy it on the ah

[vale pine]

tho... i think

good luck without a filter

[alpine wraith]

im not even at 300k

casual numbers

[sullen hare]

I am at 1% of that

[vale pine]

i think we talk about a diffrent item/toy then, my one is rock solid

if you know what i mean 😏

[shrewd lantern]

kj

when the cd was nonexistent

[alpine wraith]

yea it was a sad day when we had to part ways

felt like losing a friend

[vale pine]

btw.

i am probably the reason why they nerfed arkmages staff

sorry

[alpine wraith]

happens

[vale pine]

i was promoting it in guides/discord heavily

so rogues did know

and it got removed after

[alpine wraith]

fuu doxxing my man vargoth

[vale pine]

but idk

what item you talk about

but box of rocks, the toy or item both still work

[alpine wraith]

it is the one you think about

yea

[vale pine]

just don't post it public, so others don't know

[alpine wraith]

dont worry sub channel goes so fast no one will notice right

[vale pine]

haha

i am joking

[alpine wraith]

i mean since raszageth they havent made silly bosses

[vale pine]

i still wait for someone to figure out a cheese with the joink mechanic of the little rocks

[alpine wraith]

it iwas a bit useful on echo of nelth but apart from that

[vale pine]

its inconvinient to use

and others can sabotage you

[alpine wraith]

they do run around

[vale pine]

yes

haha

its fun tho

[idle aurora]

Wow that adds up quickly

Wait you can macro black powder and coup :0

[alpine wraith]

yea

no idea for how long tho

[idle aurora]

I need to check guide for macros lol

That’s insane

You don’t even need brain lol

[hazy breach]

Well you generally want to coup in dance, and you can get more prio by spending apex on coup VS getting more aoe by spending it on BP

So i wouldnt recommend it

[fallow nimbus]

You could kick them up the stairs at bandit in undermine, step them and get kicked around until you are down the stairs again

[vale pine]

possible, i hoped for some spicy cheeses

but nobody found one

[vale pine]

if you want to keep the agency eleem mentioned