subtlety

[keen dome]

Would you impelment a poison toggle

[swift tinsel]

huh

[swift tinsel]

day one shit

ez

[keen dome]

hero

do it for every class except mages

[chrome palm]

you could say this about shadow techniques refunds as well, but most players like them and they should stay

[ionic quarry]

or did i misinterpret the sectech has no cd part

[keen dome]

No CD but it can only be cast once during Dance

So you SecTec every dance.

It'd smooth it out

[uneven scarab]

I love shadow techniques, i think it’s completely core to the spec

[swift tinsel]

you missed the 'can only be used once in dance'

[ionic quarry]

and out of dance you cant use it at all?

[uneven scarab]

removing it would be like removing the spec

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[lilac stag]

That’s one of the few things you’re playing around right now.

[ionic quarry]

aaa

[swift tinsel]

so like its used currently

[ionic quarry]

okay sure

[chrome palm]

we really need shadow techniques on the whitelist

[ionic quarry]

i was like, okay then i just dont ever press dance again 4head

[uneven scarab]

literally just want to be able to sectech every dance

[vale pine]

secret had cdr

[chrome palm]

i dont want to be staring at a tiny number on an icon the whole expansion

[vale pine]

now thats gone

[uneven scarab]

pressing dance and not being able to use it feels like shit

[vale pine]

yep

[ionic quarry]

ya all g i just went at haptics idea

[vale pine]

i gave that feedback too

[swift tinsel]

there are other instances of spells/abilities like that

and they seem to work well

[vale pine]

my idea would still be to give shots in the dark like resets to secret

sounds so much more fun

[swift tinsel]

ye

[chrome palm]

whats really bizzare about hasted secret cd is that it doesnt change how often you use it really, since you only use it to consume supercharger

[swift tinsel]

I'd personally like to see shot in the dark applied to blades but short of that, just make it useable once in each dance

[uneven scarab]

Yeah i like that

[graceful osprey]

Honestly, I didn’t like it much back then but MoP talent style was good. If anything it could be 3 minor talents in between the major talents or something like that maybe

[swift tinsel]

hasted sectech cd only causes friction with 2nd dance in blades, no real other benefit to the cd reduction

[uneven scarab]

^

[lilac stag]

Until you realize it’s just one less thing to press as you’re just using dance/Sectech macro every time.

[chrome palm]

it also means that the only reason to ever have 2 charges of dance is to use it twice in blades

[swift tinsel]

p much

[chrome palm]

since you just hit it off cd

secret without cdr is insanely boring

even just having to CDR it for it to be back up for the 2nd dance in blades would be somewhat interesting

[swift tinsel]

its just in a weird spot without it

[uneven scarab]

yeah i think the cdr had to go, but it missing on sectech definitely left a way bigger hole than expected

[swift tinsel]

but the current solution falls short

[chrome palm]

sub needs a goal in its shadowblades, instead of just hit the same two buttons for 20s

which used to be "reach another secret technique"

[uneven scarab]

Good way to put it

yep

[ionic quarry]

agreed

[chrome palm]

its not that it makes the gameplay super complicated or anything but its just satisfying to hit the 2nd secret in blades and you never get that in midnight

[swift tinsel]

yeppers 100%

[bleak night]

Yeah

[uneven scarab]

Blades window feels aimless rn without it for sure

[ionic quarry]

press blades
your damage is purple now

[swift tinsel]

its also hard bc we're coming from where you could fit giga-nuke sectech from flawless etc

and the systems that supported that in general are gone

[graceful rock]

I mean hitting the 2nd sec tech I think would still feel good even if it wasn’t a nuke

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[chrome palm]

i remember at the start of tww s2 hitting the cold blood secret technique on the add spawn in the last boss of theater of pain and literally one shotting the mobs, so much fun

[lilac stag]

I’ll curious what the bliz rotation sims vs tc version. It legit throws everything on cd without lining up Sectech to supercharger.

[swift tinsel]

esp knowing, with s1 tier, your 2nd sectech comes off cd right when blades ends (assuming no lust, haste-infusion)

[lilac stag]

The OBR is a nice poison reminder hack

[uneven scarab]

I was timing it with add spawns on broodkeeper

actual peak

[swift tinsel]

hitting soulbinder big add spawn

[chrome palm]

subs on damage burst with dance is pretty big in midnight tho

nearly one shotting vorasius adds

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah

[uneven scarab]

I dont think our burst is bad by any means

[swift tinsel]

and that's with less cp

cp/refunds

[uneven scarab]

people were just comparing it to prism burst is all

[warm marlin]

danse proccing on each target individually for each unique spell when

[chrome palm]

holy

[swift tinsel]

or being able to buff sectech with apex4

fully

[lilac stag]

It’s not. Still blasting with Lily

[chrome palm]

ngl i dont mind danse as a ST spell

[swift tinsel]

ye I kinda like having that

[chrome palm]

wait a second isnt danse just kinda like flag

[swift tinsel]

little bit of st bump

[keen dome]

Using Lily instead of Prism?

[lilac stag]

yea

[chrome palm]

like how flag was big prio in SL danse is kinda the same thing

[swift tinsel]

its the damage portion of flag if it did actual damage

[keen dome]

Might try that. Ikeep forgetting to push prism

[hazy breach]

Genuinely curious how they managed to fuck up Danse Macabre, as it no longer procs on coup or sectech

But instead it procs on Apex eviscerate

[chrome palm]

rework danse into edge of night as a pseudo-flagellation ST damage proc in shadow dance

hire me blizzard

[keen dome]

edge of night as a talent ye splease

[warm marlin]

rework danse macabre to give a prism stack with each unique spell, that are all consumed by blades

[keen dome]

That'd own

[swift tinsel]

I want Dark Brew to be a poison called Banshee's Blight

[hazy breach]

Im afraid that would too cool sir

[limber sand]

Anyone wants to share the cooldown ui

The one thats in the middle of the nameplates

[lilac stag]

the what?

ArcUI, Sensei Resource Manager, Uuf (Frames)

[uneven scarab]

I gotta grab sensei

Very nice

[ionic quarry]

im fairly fine with BCM resource display

[chrome palm]

This and replace goremaws with the thing I put above your suggestion

[ionic quarry]

is ArcUI standalone?

[chrome palm]

Goremaws blight

[velvet hawk]

I’m kinda surprised they didn’t throw some Sylvanas themes to sub like they did with MM. veil of darkness, death knives, banshee’s blight from the dagger too

[swift tinsel]

Edge of Night/Banshee's Blight is a pretty common ask around here, it would fit very very nicely

[limber sand]

Scatch is it possible to import it or its standard like u have?

[swift tinsel]

sad they haven't added it

[fallow nimbus]

why?

it would be so perfect but 1px ruins it

[swift tinsel]

idk I don't like having my utility cds be the same size as my essential

and am fine with there being discrepancy like that

[ionic quarry]

its fine because its both 1 pixel more towards the center

if they were both 1 pixel to the right it would be a hatecrime

[swift tinsel]

although

[woven mica]

does sub play slow now with not much button spam?

[swift tinsel]

the vertical edge of sectech lines up with the vertical edge of cheap shot, but doesn't with blades and whatever one on the bottom left is

[uneven scarab]

apm is probably around the same

spamming just as much as before really

[runic sequoia]

Slow no, classic rotation with retail energy economy yes

[chrome palm]

Definitely slower on prepatch

[swift tinsel]

ye slower on prepatch but pretty close on beta

non-bugged apex would be solid

[fallow nimbus]

yeah, it's off by 1 pixel but all icons from utility are the same size, i checked that

[chrome palm]

In s3 we were using tea sometimes spamming rupture and secret technique outside of cds so it’s hard for sub to get more active than that

By contrast you kinda need to pool energy for dances especially on prepatch at least from my experience

[swift tinsel]

imo its more pooling sht for dance than the energy

[chrome palm]

Well if you hit dance at zero energy you don’t have symbols anymore

So you just lost a gcd

But maybe I’m doing it wrong

To be therein the first place

[swift tinsel]

ye should never be that low going into dance regardless

[chrome palm]

I was using the low haste gear for m+

Ye that makes sense

[swift tinsel]

idk with a few sht and enough energy to hit strike/storm you're good

since you get premed

[chrome palm]

I’m basically a yellow name now at least until midnight

Already washed up

[swift tinsel]

and get some relentless strikes value

[uneven scarab]

yeah as long as u store a little sht before dance ur fine

[swift tinsel]

honestly feels pretty cozy

the slight delay from sht granting cp is a little annoying though

[uneven scarab]

Theres def a good bit of friction gone which im alright with

we had alot before

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm a big fan of the paring down

spec seems a lot more intuitive than it was before

[tepid trellis]

imo it feels empty and stale

[swift tinsel]

It lacks some of the depth but with tier sets beyond the season 1 baby sets I'm optimistic

[uneven scarab]

im waiting till midnight to actually say that but i can see why u feel like that

[swift tinsel]

I look at other specs after the simplification and feel we landed in a rather decent spot comparatively

[uneven scarab]

Definitely

Could be mage!

[lilac stag]

Assuming this is for me, no I don’t have an export setup for it. Maybe at some point I will, but for now it’s pretty straight forward. You just need to spend some time messing with the CDM addon

[limber sand]

Alright

Ill try to get hang of it

[ionic quarry]

what are the unitframes youre using?

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[ionic quarry]

is it just called UUF?

[bleak night]

unhalted unit frames

[ionic quarry]

thank u

[fallow nimbus]

am i a genius?

[lilac stag]

Welcome to midnight

[fallow nimbus]

looks like i am not

[lilac stag]

Sub is a vibe compared to others.

[uneven scarab]

Just make the dn icon 2 pixels wider and problem solved

[fallow nimbus]

nah its good that way

if the gaps don't align its ok as long as its 100% centered and has a 2px gap

[ionic quarry]

any working nameplate addon?

[vale pine]

multiple, any preferences?

i can make you a quick list

[ionic quarry]

previously used plater but its exploded on me

prefer plater actually

[maiden oar]

platynator culls useless debuffs

[uneven scarab]

plater should be fine

working for me

[maiden oar]

plater shows way too many debuffs for me

matters for other specs mostly

[uneven scarab]

you can whitelist what you want and remove everything else

p sure

[ionic quarry]

no plater kaputt for me, maybe because of the profile?

[maiden oar]

they removed filtering

[uneven scarab]

Jundies pre patch profile has worked fine for me

[swift tinsel]

which was fucking dumb

[uneven scarab]

Yeah agree

[swift tinsel]

removing filtering makes zero sense

[ionic quarry]

oh there is a new one, okay i havent gotten that

[maiden oar]

have you tried sin with it

[uneven scarab]

literally 0 sense

no i dont play sin anymore

its prob awful

[maiden oar]

oh ok it goes crazy

so many debuff

[uneven scarab]

sin has like 1000 debuffs

Ya

[swift tinsel]

ye saw a screenshot from shadarek of havoc and its the same

[maiden oar]

theres some blizz nameplate feature that shows important debuffs only

[ionic quarry]

thank u

[swift tinsel]

just insaneo number of debuffs

[maiden oar]

and platynator can access it

but plater cant

[uneven scarab]

ya should show up on google as like the first thing

[swift tinsel]

rip

[ionic quarry]

ya got it

[uneven scarab]

Weird

[maiden oar]

plater said theyll use it eventually

but they havent implemented it yet

[uneven scarab]

maybe plater just missing those features rn yeah

[ionic quarry]

oh my god the game is playable again

[swift tinsel]

otherwise wago has jundies

[ionic quarry]

im not even mad about sub anymore

[maiden oar]

so im not touching it until they do

[swift tinsel]

on both plater and platynator

[uneven scarab]

jundies my goat

[maiden oar]

yea jundies platynator good

[swift tinsel]

with colored nameplates too

which is nice

[ionic quarry]

any way to make all actionbars mouseover?

[azure tide]

Is there a sound when you consume shadow techniques? That sounds kinda like the CB sound. And is there any way ti turn it off?

[swift tinsel]

though sometimes it bugs and they all turn the same color but that's rare

[fallow nimbus]

i achieved pixel perfect alignments. the day was saved

[vale pine]

Quick list:

• very popular Platynator
• tweaks, but very vanilla Better Blizzard Plates
• good for performance Nameplate KAI
• the classic Plater

[uneven scarab]

tbh all im missing is a good unit frame addon rn

not sure what to use

[swift tinsel]

I'm on the fence about using one

[vale pine]

this is what i use atm

[uneven scarab]

i just hate the vanilla blizz frames

[swift tinsel]

probs gonna stick with default for a while

[uneven scarab]

as someone who heals on the side

[swift tinsel]

maybe uuf

[uneven scarab]

Its literally unusable

[steel horizon]

weird how plater is working for some but for others its throwing like 2 million errors in combat

[swift tinsel]

iirc Cell is making a Midnight version

[steel horizon]

i had to disable it on dimmy

[swift tinsel]

just not prepatch

[lilac stag]

Old scripts

[uneven scarab]

Cell is what i normally use

[vale pine]

nameplatekai mainly because direct x 12 + any other nameplate addon makes my frames go bye bye

[steel horizon]

ill have to take a look at mine, thanks

[vale pine]

(i used kai before, for performance reasons, but the diffrence was not that insane)

[swift tinsel]

has Kai added any nameplate color option?

[uneven scarab]

plater doesnt seem to kill my fps that badly but i also play on a beefy pc

[swift tinsel]

I'm using plater atm but will probs switch to platynator this evening

[lilac stag]

honestly a fresh install and deleting the wtf is the way to go

[uneven scarab]

yeah

im surprised i had no plater problems

[swift tinsel]

I might also do a wtf delete after saving import codes

[uneven scarab]

Ive had the same install for years

[swift tinsel]

did a clean install but saved wtf and interface folders

[vale pine]

haha no, options are still kinda meh

[swift tinsel]

ah bummer

I did like using it for a while in tww but in m+ not having options for that was a bit of a bummer

[torpid heath]

Quick question (sry im new):

should I use ShadowStrike/Eviscerate for Cleave during shadowdance or ShurikenStorm/BlackPowder? thx in advance

[plush roost]

^

[swift tinsel]

from https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897746128207892

[steel horizon]

SS and evis dont cleave anymore on trickster

only coup and unseen blade

[torpid heath]

Lov yall

[azure thicket]

i like it but i definitely don't think sod had to get cut

[vale pine]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:

• Shadowstrike with exactly 2 targets.
• Shuriken Storm with 2 or more targets.
• Black Powder with 2 or more targets.
• Hero talents keep using Evis for Coup de Grace / Can ignore Deathstalker's mark.

[vale pine]

think that works

oh, i should change the format to be consistent

[maiden oar]

what cdm addon is that

[alpine wraith]

the macro for casting bp and coup on same button works too

for 1 button trickster aoe rotation

[muted girder]

Clean, whatd you use to make it?

[alpine wraith]

on finishers

[vale pine]

can you link the macro

how does it work

oh is it just

[alpine wraith]

#showtooltip
/cast coup de grace
/cast black powder

as easy as it sounds

[vale pine]

/cast Coup de Grace; Black Powder

ahh

does this work

i am currently in "can't login" prison

[alpine wraith]

i havent checked but someone did a thing yday saying it does work

i played ds mainly in raid

[vale pine]

ill check tomorrow then

[silent geode]

yo what addons are you using for cdm? im using arcui atm, bot sure how I feel just yet about it

[ionic quarry]

BCM (better cooldown manager) is a good one

[swift tinsel]

are we using a mouseover Coup macro to hit whatever aoe target has fazed debuff

[silent geode]

sweet ill check that one out

[swift tinsel]

(please fix bug)

[alpine wraith]

btw anyone has the cb sound disable command?

[crystal bone]

is there anyway to get coup de grace icon to show here rather than 4 stacks of unseen blade?

[azure thicket]

blizz ui shifts it to coup when it procs

[crystal bone]

hmm might be a bug with mine then

[sage ivy]

Mine doesnt change either

[upbeat garden]

I close my eyes when I play rogue

[hoary lotus]

blizz ui changes evis to coup, not the buff icon

[spice escarp]

the eviscerate icon changes if you have that enabled, but not escalating blade

[crystal bone]

yea if i throw evis up in essentials, that will change to coup

but then it looks ugly

[spice escarp]

the blizzard way

[tepid steppe]

/run MuteSoundFile(568961), it doesnt mute the freeze sound effect though

[alpine wraith]

well world sever is down

will later thx

i remember doing it on beta but i dont know if the freeze thingy also got disabled

[fallow nimbus]

i use better cooldown manager and sensei class resource bars (just the combopoints)

[red vortex]

isnt it like hour cooldown?

server

[fallow nimbus]

took me a lot of time with paint checking for wrong pixel gaps

[silent geode]

aprpeciate it ill check it out. arcui is cool but kind of overwhelming

[clever delta]

is game deadge

[ionic quarry]

when game bak

[alpine wraith]

they are resetting servers because world server died

[fallow nimbus]

sadly the servers went offline, i wanted to import and change it for my alts

[spice escarp]

is there an addon to restart servers

[mellow saffron]

Is there an addon you're using for tracking Netherprism? Also what's your Combo Points addon? Thank you :)

[ionic quarry]

^

[mellow saffron]

Thanks!

Help if I read further 🤣

[keen dome]

haha, I did a quick Heroic pug while the servers were going down. In the 15 minutes we managed to do Soulbinder, Araz, Hunters and Fract

[winter ice]

is there an addon that replaces the stealth/combat state WA

[spice escarp]

found this just randomly searching on curseforge https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/stealthcrosshair

i would prefer if blizz added stealth to trackable buff in cdm. its like, one of the thematically defining abilities of the class but idk

[red vortex]

the amount of times i've restealthed

cus i dont know

if i am or not

is nuts

had a WA that just told me big in screen, "you re not in stealth!"

[spice escarp]

yea that, combat state and poisons

easy to miss with base ui

[red vortex]

for real

poison wa reminder

now u just don't know

[spice escarp]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/easyreminders

this might work, havent tested it though

[red vortex]

servers back up

realms still down

[sly shore]

@weary tree

[spice escarp]

holy, i did a clean install on prepatch day that was 125, so this is kinda big update? 😄

[sly shore]

I am reinstalling yeah

[vale pine]

why did you re-install?

[sly shore]

Just fresh install always good

I have backed up important things

[vale pine]

you can just check & repair

faster * same result

[sly shore]

Yes but check & repair doesn't clear cache files

in data

[vale pine]

you just delete data/indicies, data/config and the cache folder

[sly shore]

yes, scan and repair no do it

[weary tree]

wait what am i missing here

[scarlet heath]

it's alive!

[sly shore]

It won't take long anyway

[vale pine]

seems up again, just now

[vale pine]

fair, your download speed is rly good

[sly shore]

yuh

[red vortex]

thanks for the shout!

i was just lurking yt

[pale rock]

Why wouldn't they add different color nameplates for the mob youre targeting in the new UI they've released, or is that a thing?

[graceful terrace]

so are we using shuriken during dance any time we are over 2 targets? Wouldnt that decrease nimble flurry dmg?

or is it working diff now

[uneven scarab]

flurry is unseen blade and coup only now

[alpine wraith]

3 targets

[uneven scarab]

Storm is good

[alpine wraith]

2 is still fine to strike

but you can strike once for DM

[graceful terrace]

feels like a sin to storm in Dance lmao

[alpine wraith]

then storm if you want more overall dmg

well they buffed it by like 250%

and made talents in both DS and trickster to buff it too

[graceful terrace]

do we storm in ST as well in M+ when the crit buff is up?

Also, is slice and Dice not auto applied anymore on evis?

nm. couldnt find the talent lol

[alpine wraith]

it is

it is a baseline skill on rogue now

cut the chase

[onyx skiff]

this new UI minigame is not fun, are there any good completely premade UI packs I can just import and use?

[wary turtle]

anyone getting issues with shadowstep? either invalid target or "you're mounted" error

[lilac stag]

Luxthos has free complete setups on his site

[swift tinsel]

is his website stable now?

[harsh meadow]

Ya

Day 1 must have had crazy traffic

[lilac stag]

Quazii has a nice all in one, but that’s only via his patreon

[haughty mural]

Did you also try it ?

[warm marlin]

that's kinda crazy no?

ds just lets DN sit for like 2 globals

and loses a mark cycle

[plush roost]

Sec tec cdr is just too important ig

[lilac stag]

No. I looked at his video. I wanted to see what I could do for free

[plush roost]

Idk how practical it is tho, esp if we end up holding at any point, then the cdr is less important and you just cycle mark no?

Like i fail to see any reason u dont go Dn -> sec tec superchargers if you end up holding for even 2ish seconds

[plucky turtle]

Got a quick question should i dump combo points at 5 or 6? as a baseline

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

[west tide]

i am optimized for 2 minute pulls

[plucky turtle]

thanks i am blind

[weary tree]

just recrafted some shit?

[lilac stag]

nah gems and enchants

[weary tree]

ah right

gotta do that stilli

no more 0 haste

[lilac stag]

i actually had too much haste

[weary tree]

da hell you been running

outlaw

[lilac stag]

I just grabed gear instead of sockets

like when this showed up in vault, I took it

[sick epoch]

Do we use Coup de Grace on AoE?

[placid crown]

this is why I use "show only in combat" option with basic ui for the frames and bars

Reading the faq right now. So now we know, not worth to dance+bs nor dance+storm, and because it's not possible to dance+strike, you recommend to do dance+sectec.

And that means stgh that I really feel unconfortable: you want all your CP ready for when dance and sectec will be up

So let say that you have the 7 cp ready, and dance and sectec come back in 4 seconds

what do you do?

Continue to press backstab to not waste energy ? (even if cp are full)

[solemn lance]

man i was hoping for recraft to be working before raid

[red vortex]

Worked fine for me

[solemn lance]

Via crafting orders. Im locked out of it

[lilac stag]

Do nothing. Store cps for dance.

[uneven scarab]

yeah build up some sht stacks and vibe

Sub doesnt care at all about wasting energy

[placid crown]

i mean if i'm full 7cp, i will not do nothing during 4 sec ?

at least dealing a bit more dmgs with some backstabs

or you guys really do NOTHING in that situation ?

only auto attacks ? x)

[uneven scarab]

straight autos for a few seconds

[placid crown]

wow :d

[swift tinsel]

platynator is so easy to configure its actually insane

you can click any element to edit it, and click and drag to move whereever you want them

[hazy breach]

Have they fixed it so it has the default blacklist yet

Or is it still 1000 debuffs if you play assa

[swift tinsel]

good question, checking

only configured as sub so far

[hazy breach]

Does it show poisons

Because default plates only show garrote/rupture/kb/dm

[bleak night]

i havent been having that issue with platynator

that was just a plater thing afaik

but i also havent been playing rogue

[swift tinsel]

only shows bleeds

no amp

[steel horizon]

What do you mean it's not possible to dance +strike

[swift tinsel]

or spatter

[hazy breach]

Coolio

[hazy breach]

You cannot macro dance+strike

[swift tinsel]

the floating is a bit odd but can probs mess with that

though not entirely bad

[hazy breach]

Because there is an extremely minor delay between pressing dance and when the game considers you in stealth

[chrome palm]

its weird they havent fixed shadow blades on beta yet

maybe they were looking at the auto attack stuff instead and we get it next week 🙏

[steel horizon]

Didn't realize he was talking about macros

[hazy breach]

Surely we get all the sht apex stuff and blades fixed next week

[steel horizon]

Also this explains why vanish + strike just doesn't go off sometimes. Lol

[chrome palm]

with them doing tuning every week it seems very odd not to fix these kinda of things, but the other two specs seem to be basically functional from my pov

[steel horizon]

I'm assuming it works the same way with vanish anyway

[chrome palm]

so surely its sub next

[hazy breach]

Surely

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-first-time-nervous-80s-movies-gif-19769548

[hazy breach]

Clever Combatant hits a random target, not your main target.

This one is also insanely silly

[chrome palm]

yeah that cant be good lol

that got to hurt prio a lot

[hazy breach]

Ye its just -8% prio damage

For fun

Or well, -8% like 50% of the time, since sectech applies it

[chrome palm]

does nimble cleave before or after taking fazed into consideration?

[hazy breach]

Before, like most things

[maiden oar]

does the sim not play around deathstalker mark in st even a little bit

[hazy breach]

It does not, havent found a way to make it a gain

[maiden oar]

that is crazy

[hazy breach]

But again, the sim is fairly fresh, so there might be some. Ive just tried the most obvious ones

[chrome palm]

well maybe its a gain if they fix any of the DN bugs

to do something with it

[maiden oar]

do you know why it likes low cp dance with ds

or is it just mysterious

[hazy breach]

Not entirely sure why its so much better, probably something weird

[maiden oar]

im assuming its actually good and making sure to always do it

but im very curious as to why

[hazy breach]

Well for deathstalker specifically

Not for trickster

[maiden oar]

yeah

[chrome palm]

might it have something to do with unshakeable drive?

[hazy breach]

Yeah trickster likes pooling some sht for dance because apex on coup is insane

[hazy breach]

Ye but thats not an amazing talent, so idk

But for DN pooling sht is just pointless

[chrome palm]

yeah hoping they fix the clone/dn interactions

[hazy breach]

Since not only does the clone not crit, it also doesnt get the +50%

[chrome palm]

clones and deathstalker, what an unholy matrimony

[hazy breach]

So like the clone is doing like half the damage it should in those cases

[chrome palm]

lol

and then the apex doesnt buff DN right?

and DN isnt even buffed by shadow finishers right?

and im sure

theres like 5 other things reducing its damage

[hazy breach]

It makes shadowed finishers crit

But it does not make it do more damage

[maiden oar]

hmm

[hazy breach]

But those are bugs from tww alpha

[maiden oar]

i think i will worry about none of this until 2 months from now

im dizzy

[hazy breach]

Tbf the dmg reducing interactions dont matter that much

[chrome palm]

have you played anything else yet grouch

[hazy breach]

Theyll just tune around it

[maiden oar]

no i havent played on beta at all

im going to do beta keys once i figure out my ui probably

[hazy breach]

The sht bugs and coup gcd are way more impactful and important to have them fixed

[maiden oar]

but i think that needs a weeks time more or less i wanna see what elvui does

but also on the beta im probably playing outlaw since i think that is the spec that will require the most practice and its going crazy in keys rn

[chrome palm]

uuf/better cdm are the only addons that do not make me wanna blow my head off

if you wanted to try something

[maiden oar]

im using both rn and better cdm feels weird but im sure ill get used to it

was felt more responsive

[chrome palm]

better cdm is a little clunky

the GUI for both is pretty decent though

[maiden oar]

is coup gcd a bug

i thought it was supposed to be long

[maiden oar]

did you mean rogue specs or just like in general btw

[hazy breach]

Nop, before it had an animation that lasted longer, but they cut that

[maiden oar]

i figure ill learn to multiclass this season but i havent bothered yet due to the ui stuff hehe

[chrome palm]

both, i was playing a lot of outlaw im enjoying it

[maiden oar]

oh ok

yeah im looking forward to learning outlaw on the beta

[chrome palm]

yeah the whole season 1 of having no coup animation was crazy

just the little flash on the target

[fathom pendant]

what happened to sub? so boring to play

[chrome palm]

they gutted it idk

[maiden oar]

we are victimized forever

so sad to be sub rogue sob sob sob

[chrome palm]

better in beta but not like tww it is what it is

[hazy breach]

It gets slightly better with apex

[maiden oar]

do you have to use brain to play around apex

or is it no brain guy

[lilac stag]

The same thing that happened to every dps spec

[chrome palm]

not really its kinda clunky tho

[fathom pendant]

I miss rupture, any talent to have something else to press?

[maiden oar]

no....

[chrome palm]

they shouldve left it as regular shadowcraft procs

wtf am i supposed to do with 5 refunded combo points

oh, press another builder? ,':) great

[hazy breach]

Most of the time you get more than 5 though

[chrome palm]

i think they did 5

because you need to cast a generator before hand

so if it was 7 youd just have less procs

because its 1 gcd earlier

but if you land on 5 its kinda awkward, and if youre in blades youre just wasting SHT

assuming it gets fixed

[hazy breach]

sht cant be wasted

[maiden oar]

btw with better cdm does the cp bar feel off to you

[hazy breach]

But yeah the strike+blades would overcap

[maiden oar]

i dont know how to articulate this more specifically

but my cp feel weird

[hazy breach]

But like, you almost never get 5 cp refunded

[chrome palm]

still, strange design choice

[maiden oar]

like when they go up and down

it does not feel as nice as when i had a weakaura

[hazy breach]

Because that means you didnt proc sht inbetween your builder and your finisher

[chrome palm]

wouldve preferred them to just move shadowcraft's refund to the apex and kept it the same

[maiden oar]

but i do not know why

[hazy breach]

Which is not possible unless you spec out of attack speed stuff or shadowcraft

[fathom pendant]

isnt strange is lazy, why they can't hire someone from here to design our spec?

[maiden oar]

if they hire me its a disaster

[chrome palm]

is there a any lvl 90 rogue sim

i wanted to see how much dps skyfury is

if they fix apex bugs maybe its not that crazy

[dawn trellis]

so we just press blades and sectech with shadow dance and then just build and finish? bp with more than 1 target, is that pretty much it? i guess try to wait to send dance if blades is coming up <10s

[chrome palm]

but im worried itll be like -8% st or something insane without a shaman in st

[dawn trellis]

first time im on retail in like 2 months

[azure thicket]

i start blades with max combo points into a sec tec but strike got buffed right?

[hazy breach]

Are you soothed if i say 7.5?

[dawn trellis]

i assume its not possible to get 2 dances with sectech off in blades without proper haste now then

im only at 8% and blades is fading

[azure thicket]

it's doable with 21%

[dawn trellis]

the outlaw treatment now

[fathom pendant]

how I went from left to right? I wanna cry

[dawn trellis]

i mean i wouldnt mind it if i actually didnt just sell my haste gear sick

[chrome palm]

ok they need to just delete windfury at this point ngl, keep the 3% mastery thats strong enough

that is crazy

if thats a real number

[azure thicket]

feels like the ticking sack of terror/screams trinket is gonna be the next damage boost tbh

[maiden oar]

perfidious projector seems popular on wcl

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately sht stacks are better in aoe now than they are in tww

So its similar in aoe

[chrome palm]

naaauuur

[dawn trellis]

not to be that guy brotha but ur enery and combo points are basically the same the cringe part is they got rid of flag and rupture, i guess rupture was kinda whatever but still

[maiden oar]

but i dont know if thats good info some people seem to just randomly do more dmg bc of some unsquished item or something

[chrome palm]

ok pray to god that shaman is good in m+

[azure thicket]

running antenna myth warpclaw fwiw

prism got simmed into the trash on dslice

[maiden oar]

i pray to god outlaw is good in m+

[chrome palm]

actually though

[dawn trellis]

i used to have color coded combo points i assume thats not possible now it has t obe 1 color even with the sensei addon

[chrome palm]

its possible

[dawn trellis]

oh rly?

[chrome palm]

theres like 1 addon doing it and its the worst addon ive ever used

[slate marlin]

is it 7.5 even with sht bugs solved?

[dawn trellis]

oh thats great

[fathom pendant]

how are sub doing 90k damage on pvp?

[dawn trellis]

it it spamming u with errors or something

[chrome palm]

but yes its possible, hopefully more addons do it later on

no its just fucking hideous

[dawn trellis]

whats it called

[hazy breach]

Thats the number i get when i sim rn

[slate marlin]

thats....way too much

[dawn trellis]

maybe what u find hideous ill find tolerable

[slate marlin]

time to kidnap a shaman to duo with me

all the time

[chrome palm]

its called twintops resource bar

it takes the cake for worst addon gui

[dawn trellis]

heard

[chrome palm]

GL soldier

[chrome palm]

yeah the 20 lfg shamans i friendlisted was a smart investment

[slate marlin]

100%

[fathom pendant]

the pvp set bonus is soo lazy lmao

[chrome palm]

wait till you see the pve set bonus

[slate marlin]

thats just the prepatch tierset

[hazy breach]

Why would they bother designing a new tierset for a prepatch though

[slate marlin]

no point

[hazy breach]

Like genuinely is that something you think its worth their time to be designing

[slate marlin]

prepatch doesnt matter

its a good time to level characters tho

[fathom pendant]

oh pve is the same tier bonus lol

[slate marlin]

i need a new lock and a new shaman

[fathom pendant]

everyone season 3 set is the same? damage increase?

[maiden oar]

yea

[hazy breach]

Because half of them literally wouldnt function after class changes

So they made them flat increases

[fathom pendant]

makes sense still lazy

[slate marlin]

its not lazy

[bleak night]

i mean in the past they just did nothing

[azure thicket]

sub definitely feels barebones compared outlaw and assa

[bleak night]

[fathom pendant]

imagine

[azure thicket]

no maintenance stuff just zug

[fathom pendant]

now we are on DH league of complex lmao

maybe in last titan we get an extra btn to press

[azure thicket]

ye it's fun but only if your tank is a maniac

[fathom pendant]

but I predict for last titan 1 button for dps 1 for burst 1 for defense and console release

[azure thicket]

kingsbane is right there etc

[hazy breach]

L ragebait

[slate marlin]

no one will beat moot ragebaiting

[azure thicket]

there's no hot gravel button for sure

https://youtube.com/shorts/2STVqDXH0Xk

mobile warcraft incoming

[flint parrot]

bra how u made this white outline on the target? send screenshot pls 👏

[swift tinsel]

it comes with Jundie's platynator profile

[flint parrot]

share please

[lilac stag]

It’s on wago

[torn tide]

its not a bad thing luckily

[uneven scarab]

https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1

[flint parrot]

thank you

[swift tinsel]

the nameplate scaling on target/cast is so nice

this addon fucking owns lol

[high birch]

Yeah absolutely huge going into Midnight.

[astral axle]

platynator is so cozy

[swift tinsel]

Probably one of the easiest-to-configure addons I’ve ever used for what it offers

Hugely impressed

I haven’t looked into filtering at all yet besides just checking what it shows baseline

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/heinz-doofenshmirtz-content-gif-26874036

He knows how to addonanator

[onyx skiff]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[harsh meadow]

Platynator > plater

[rustic mortar]

why trhe hell does upgrading still cost crests

its clearly draining my crests

even tho it says 0 and i have 4 weapons on maxlvl

[mental saddle]

im not against the pruning and simplifying the specs, but i was looking forward to log and play sub before while now it feels a bit mehh. just wanted to share fellow rogues.

[rustic mortar]

Well i feel the same its fucking boring

[grim quiver]

What % of haste and verse should I go for?

[rustic mortar]

It feels like a frostdk but without anything offering for the group

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-meme-funny-awkward-gif-15152436

[rustic mortar]

do u like it haptics

[swift tinsel]

Ye

It’s chill

[alpine wraith]

the spec is cool just dont expect to get vip passes anywhere

[swift tinsel]

And it gets better when we get all of our talents

[alpine wraith]

have to work for it

and they fix all the bugs

any day now

i mean no bug has lasted more than 2 years

they usually delete the talent before

[swift tinsel]

Even just some and it’ll be even more solid

[alpine wraith]

but they are fixing apex for sure as we will have those 2 expansions

and blades is literally changing one % to x

[swift tinsel]

That’s why I’m a little surprised blades bug didn’t get fixed for prepatch

[alpine wraith]

or the number from 2 to 100

[swift tinsel]

Then again they don’t really care about anything besides beta

[alpine wraith]

i though for the longest time it was already fixed in their internal builds

but nah

[swift tinsel]

Outside of nuking unholy dk

[alpine wraith]

they pushed

likely the relase for prepatch was forked way earlier

than any of the fixes

[swift tinsel]

Yeah and they didn’t bother doing anything between the fork and release

Which I get bc it’s w/e

[alpine wraith]

i mean they were 100% working on stability

and even then world servers went down

[swift tinsel]

Ye

That was just EU wasn’t it

[alpine wraith]

yea just eu

[swift tinsel]

Thought I read that

Rip

[serene notch]

I don’t think it does, but do apex talents change the way sub plays at all?

After attacks that generate combo points, if 5 or more stacks of Shadow Techniques remain, your next damaging finishing move will expend them to generate combo points up to your max.

I’m not somehow playing around this am I??

[alpine wraith]

they change in the way you do way more finishers

[swift tinsel]

Remember shadowcraft refunds

[hazy breach]

You can play around it

[alpine wraith]

but yea you will still strike evis evis

but now actually saving sht has more meaning

before dance

you can dance sec tech then strike evis evis strike evis eviis

most of the time

[swift tinsel]

And you (should) get more sht stacks if apex2 works properly

More stacks, more energy

[serene notch]

I’m not pooling stacks for this right? If it happens it happens.

[hazy breach]

You can

If you want more burst you can save some sht stacks

[alpine wraith]

yea remember you are your own master

if the fight asks for it or if you think you want

you can do it

overall or optimal dps is not always the thing you look for

[tribal blade]

i think part of what's making sub feel so damn boring on prepatch is you only ever builder>finisher or builder>builder

[alpine wraith]

well it was like that for the longest time

the thing is dance lasted 4 or 5 secs

not 10

[tribal blade]

but yeah missing apex means missing finsher>finisher

[alpine wraith]

so it was not as boring

[tribal blade]

true

[radiant swift]

is cheap shot going to be somenthing or does it stay a dead button?

[alpine wraith]

it is a stun the talent that gives it dmg is just for pvp kinda

[radiant swift]

so off the bar it goes

[serene notch]

It’s a great button if your an ethical DPS

[swift tinsel]

Cheeky dance cheap shot can be nice

[serene notch]

Although its value goes down with less bolt spam

[swift tinsel]

I have mine as a mouse over macro

[radiant swift]

well shit

it doesnt fit the group as in im just missing one singular space

[serene notch]

Vanish step into cheap feels great

[radiant swift]

fine

does the whole "press tricks goes automaticaly to tank" still work ?

[hazy breach]

The weakaura does not work no

[swift tinsel]

That reminds me I was gonna mess with a party1 tricks macro

[radiant swift]

unfort

[serene notch]

I was just wondering if this is a thing, if you auto order your part frames

[swift tinsel]

Idk if default party frames lets you sort by role so tank is always party1

Ye was gonna look into that when I get home from the gym in a lil bit

I know there’s what arena1/2/3 macros and iirc there were ones like that for party1/2/3 but it’s been years since I dabbled

But if it does work that’s very useful in the absence of the tricks WA

[serene notch]

Man 1hr tricks was such a HUGE qol lowkey goated ability

[swift tinsel]

Esp for m+ when you’re swapping focus often

And can’t rely on focus tricks as much

Can always just play trickster lol

Or focus tricks tank before setting focus for that pull

Idm

[serene notch]

I wish tricks would reset/fall of when tank dies

[swift tinsel]

Nah the giga mob run to the respawn is funny

[serene notch]

So many keys have gone extra side ways for me cause it persists

[swift tinsel]

Like first pull floodgate

Love tank death with persistent tricks there lol

[serene notch]

lol

[mortal arch]

depends on the situation, I've had some where tricks has prevented the mobs from resetting and actually saved a ton of time

[serene notch]

Yea I had a recent DB that was the case

But prob more often they just train to respawn and pull the dungeon

[eager latch]

👁‍🗨

[leaden thunder]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[graceful osprey]

30% haste now, sub feels better, no more dooming for now

[iron obsidian]

does sub want 35% haste before any buffs or is 30% fine before weap enchant buffs and all that

[tulip light]

can we say anything about the expected performance of the 3 speccs as of now?

[shell vector]

I played sub on Cata classic so maybe I'm just insane. But is there REALLY no way to track find weakness now without WAs????

Like I remember that being pretty damn important

[hazy breach]

Its not important

Its pretty much always up

[tulip light]

from what i gathered nothing is important at the moment. you just press builder / spender and dont look at anything

[swift tinsel]

We also don’t have apex refunds to play around at all which is a notable consideration

[lean arrow]

So did they make sub rogue easier now?

[steel horizon]

So with 30-35% haste, what is dance duration & sectec cd?

[west tide]

guys i got rank 1 on plexus im retiring see yall on the next expansion

[long marlin]

so we no longer need to use a crafted offhand, we just focusing lense bracers + another piece?

[swift tinsel]

They made every spec easier

[lean arrow]

👍🏼

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel just remember, spec is easy

[bleak night]

#.def

[swift tinsel]

#.def

[tall urchin]

how do i fill all the holes on my actions bars

[lilac stag]

4 of each CD l;ike they do in pvp

[bleak night]

fill it with different battle pets to summon

[plush roost]

Ancient Arts cancelaura macros 8)

Coming soon

[swift tinsel]

Put Transmog sets there

[bleak night]

wait

true

[swift tinsel]

/cancelaura Ancient Arts
/cast Secret Technique

Ggwp

[tribal blade]

is there any way to have a sound and visual alert for when RTB falls off as a buff

in the base UI

or is that just not possible

[swift tinsel]

Nope

[tribal blade]

i fucking hate blizz

[swift tinsel]

No alerts to buffs

[tribal blade]

i dunno why you can't set those for buffs

[lilac stag]

blizz doing blizz things

[swift tinsel]

Some shit about not wanting to set Pavlovian responses to buffs

[tribal blade]

i set up outlaw and it's kinda a vibe

[lilac stag]

i got the fist in our reclear

[tribal blade]

not too bad

[tribal blade]

nice!

[lilac stag]

i'll setup gunslinger tomorrow

[tribal blade]

the UI i needed to be way different to sub

because of how outlaw plays

[swift tinsel]

Idk if I enjoy either sin or outlaw enough to set up UI for them before 90

[tribal blade]

this version of outlaw is a lot less punishing so i wouldn't mind playing it

RTB rerolling rules are piss easy now

less to react to

[swift tinsel]

I also don’t have haste gear for adr

[lilac stag]

showme what you setup

[swift tinsel]

Yeah the playstyle itself is better 100% by extension of not having Crackshot or Underhanded Upper Hand

[tribal blade]

i'll dm you because people will give me hell lol

[lilac stag]

works for me

[tribal blade]

my UIs are always cursed

[lilac stag]

i appreciate them

[swift tinsel]

If I can hide the energy bar from my player frame I think my ui will be 100% done

Need to fiddle with the UI Hiding addon Fuu linked

[tribal blade]

i think sensei addon does that too

[swift tinsel]

Hm haven’t seen anything about it yet

Would be nice though, I’d like to get rid of the redundancy

[lilac stag]

i'm tempted to just patreon to Quazii

[swift tinsel]

A few people in guild are looking at getting it too

I like homebrewing mine though, as Frankensteined as it ends up

[west tide]

sub is fun in raid lmaoo

[bleak night]

i saw that

[lofty horizon]

lol

[velvet hawk]

I have been thinking about that too. I’m using unhalted’s addons (unit frames and better cooldown manager) for now though and they’re pretty good if you haven’t heard of them

[astral axle]

bing chilling with luxthos setup with a few extra tweaks B)

also i realized something i was missing quite badly: a character sheet which had each slot ilvl, enchants, and gems listed

at first i could only find one which looked styled like babby's first html project in middle school. but i found this one and really liked it https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/armoryutils just keeps things simple B)

[tribal blade]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[proper eagle]

In AOE, do you guys use Shriekn even in shadowdance?

[brisk onyx]

you can read the sub faq first

it tell you how do you do in many situations

[silent geode]

hey guys few questions about the prepatch m+ talents. why exactly do we take umbral edge and replicating shadows? do they affect sectech shadow clones? am I missing some other source of shadow clones?

[tepid trellis]

its just sectech on prepatch

[silent geode]

I was under the impression those talents did not affect sectech, but maybe im misremembering. if thats the case then it makes sense

[proper eagle]

I read wowhead prepatch guide. Yes it says use shriken but in ww expansion, I used shadow strike when in aoe though.

[swift tinsel]

strike no longer cleaves via nimble flurry

[lilac stag]

good thing we’re not in TWW any longer.

[proper eagle]

I see. Nimble flurry does not apply strike anymore...

[tepid trellis]

or evis

[tardy badge]

dood

im doing keys and im fukin

[silent geode]

ds or tricks?

[tardy badge]

tricks

i dont like ds in keys

[tepid trellis]

its not like they really play any diff anymore

[silent geode]

same. i tried it, didnt feel right. maybe just too used to trickster

[proper eagle]

Tricks more fun to play

[tardy badge]

frrf

frfr*

[elfin magnet]

Is cold blood making our hands frosty new

Or have I never noticed it?

[tribal blade]

it's always been like that

but CB is now proccing a lot

instead of being a 45 sec on use

so you basically have almost perma uptime of CB

[sullen hare]

it's always been frostyhand

even way back in vanilla

[bleak night]

more like cold hand am i rite

[west tide]

i love sub its so simple but its a good time ❤️

[haughty mural]

Ah I see

[wheat sentinel]

a ninja puts his hand in a bag of ice and slaps you wyd

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[vale pine]

they play exactly the same if the bp/coup macro works

i test it in a minute

[fallow nimbus]

Did i hear macro?

[vale pine]

yes

give me 5 minutes, i just woke up

[haughty mural]

But

Why?

[bleak night]

because otherwise he'd still be asleep

[misty compass]

Wanna main sub rogue in midnight, so I started learning class from ur guide on wowhead, ty for your work

[vale pine]

yep, works
(ability timeline bottom left of the picture)

one button AoE finisher:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

automatically casts coup^^

[tribal blade]

jesus my outlaw UI has like triple the amount of stuff i'm tracking goddamn

i also got a workaround for not missing when RTB falls off

i just made the progress bar for it really big

BIG

[red vortex]

[alpine wraith]

yea it is silly

[vale pine]

thanks for hacha to mention it

idk

i think it is in line with how other proc effects work

[alpine wraith]

seems like they really made a diff spell for coup for no reason

[fallow nimbus]

5mins he said

[vale pine]

like blindside

so it seems intentional

[south kernel]

phew thank you for lowering the amount of buttons in aoe i was starting to get worried that sub is way too complex

[vale pine]

haha ye

right

[alpine wraith]

dont think i would play trickster tbh with how DS is but who knows

[south kernel]

MAN cookie clicker has more depth now

[alpine wraith]

well most of the depth will come from choosing when to use cds now

[vale pine]

trickster felt good in dungeons

[fallow nimbus]

Imagine we get the mark reapply restrictions lifted last minute in real midnight

[south kernel]

keep imagining KEK

[vale pine]

i hope so

[fallow nimbus]

Where are the assa guys when you need them?

[alpine wraith]

busy forgetting to apply poisons because no reminder

[vale pine]

think there are addons for that

XD

https://x.com/i/status/2014526782091784620

Liquid Thdlock (@Thdlock)

The cooldown manager has to be studied at being one of the worst features that still doesn't work properly after 1 year

X · Jan 23, 2026, 2:33 AM

[red raven]

Anyone noticed it takes a while to reapply fazed after it drops? Or is that just the same as tww?

[vale pine]

this feels on point

[alpine wraith]

if youa re in aoe

[grand pumice]

how does sub feel rn, heard it got pruned to a level closer to a rework, as someone who would like the idea of hard hitting finishers with subs new easier rotation would it be worth trying?

[alpine wraith]

likely storm applied fazed to a random critter

or whatever mob

[red raven]

Ahh ty

[alpine wraith]

and because you dont run the sec tech fazed well

[vale pine]

ye, its stupid

[alpine wraith]

it is what it is

you could remember to strike once after sec tech to get fazed on main target

but still

[fallow nimbus]

I am 95% happy with bcdm, the gaps, icon sizes and placements could be a bit better

[red raven]

Yeah ill practice that, tyty

[vale pine]

i am 80-90% happy with bcdm and uuf

i am also almost finished with my ui

[fallow nimbus]

That 5 icons set to 30 need an x of 0.2 to all have the same gap to each other is a bit tedious

You don't want to see the icon options for archieving a simple 2px gap

[fossil forge]

How did u align it

I was losing my marbles yesterday

Its not possible without a addon is it

[alpine wraith]

pixel engineer

[vale pine]

i am currently happy with this, i need to maybe lua edit the nameplates a bit to look slightly nicer

[fossil forge]

I logged in 10min before our test raid yday i dont have anything setup haha

[red vortex]

Dude I've done a Mythic run, and fully graylogged the whole tier

[fallow nimbus]

With going 0.1 on x axis, icon size and using paint to zoom in screenshots

[vale pine]

with the aoe one button thing

i can probably remove my tracking of buffs entirely

XD

you finish on 6+ always, so you kinda play DN w/e

and if you rly use bp on 2+, no reason to care

and i can macro coup to bp

so thats also gone

🤣

[tribal blade]

i made this from sensei's holy shit so much better

[vale pine]

oh, that looks nice

[red vortex]

Is it true that in the opener u use 2 dances for blades and then the 3rd dance comes up around the same time as a new sectec so you dance like 3 times

[fallow nimbus]

Mission for today is slightly lowering that whole group, making the combopoints a little bit thinner and alt setup

[vale pine]

you use 2 dances every blades

and else dance with secret

thats all to the cd management

[red vortex]

Ye

For me I get 3 dances in a row then

[vale pine]

yep

[red vortex]

Cus 2 in blades and like 1-2 sec later I have sectec and dance up again

[vale pine]

thats perfectly fine

[fallow nimbus]

Do you have 35% haste?

[vale pine]

you get dance evry ~20 secs

[red vortex]

Nah i have 14

Its giga cursed

[vale pine]

i found energy to not feel that great

i played with 8 haste

which feels meh

we haven't raided yet

[red vortex]

How big is the difference to 35% for dmg output

[fallow nimbus]

That the cdm shows duration on icons is funny, yellow overlay ends and cd is almost finished

[vale pine]

on pure st its a few %

in m+, you will usually not go over like 20%

so its single target exclusive

[hardy agate]

thats cringe, i dont like when a spec needs different stats in st and aoe 🙁

[red vortex]

I guess I'm giga graylogging cus of time

[fossil forge]

I played first fights with 4% haste and last 2 with 30%

Very big diff

[vale pine]

i think raid is not too bad

because you have wft

[red vortex]

We killed like 2.30, when better parsers kil in like a minute

[fallow nimbus]

I only switch rings and necks around for big haste or big mastery

[vale pine]

or well skyfury

[fossil forge]

We killed dimmy in like 3min something

[vale pine]

but open world you don't have that

[red vortex]

Don't wanna end pre patch with gray logs

When it doesn't matter in clown patch