subtlety

[chrome palm]

dont need to flag

just kinda wasting some flag time

if you mean to consume UB procs

[warm marlin]

[chrome palm]

beating MM in lust on pull was hype tho

they need to hit us with another 10% buff like that one week in undermine that was great

[plush roost]

And not revert it this time -_-

[warm marlin]

miss lou

[chrome palm]

we got an extra 5% buff and werent even the top spec in raid

[plush roost]

I actually loved lou just wish tier wasnt so gamba gamba

[warm marlin]

hey that one day with the extra 5%

i was owning my whole raid

what a day

until hunter highrolls or ret decides to pump

[short radish]

man

[chrome palm]

the shield on dimmy took quite a bit less time that week

[short radish]

that was a great day

[plush roost]

I remember doing a 20ml and assblastint crowd pummeler so hard

[chrome palm]

holy

[plush roost]

I actually wish s3 sub was in s2 dungeon pool

It would have actually been nuts

[chrome palm]

the 17 mil secret hits on crowd pummeler was crazy

[plush roost]

Mhmm

[serene notch]

Voting back in DB and priory on purpose was criminal

[chrome palm]

bro i actually cant with that man

[warm marlin]

stonevault my beloved

[plush roost]

I still like priory

Floodgate however...

[chrome palm]

although those were some of our best dungeons in s3

imo

[plush roost]

Ye priory is sub rogue demon hours

[serene notch]

Raise your hand if a run ended cause DB bugged out

Kk

[plush roost]

Haha bro

[chrome palm]

i secretly smiled whenever first mini one shots a dh in my group

[plush roost]

10/12 of our db 21 attempts died on 2nd pull

[chrome palm]

it only took 15 weeks for lfg tanks to figure out where to stand

so they dont pull a portal 2 turret

[plush roost]

Because ritualist stopped moving an a caster would get bleak powdered

[chrome palm]

did you ever get the bleak powder pull on the patrol in streets from a hunter hitting the mini

that is an elite move

[plush roost]

Nah we dont do thst pull

We take mini to the wiseguy muscle pack and play it with an overseer in rp area as one big pull

Then do the rp as we fight it

Very efficient

[glacial eagle]

legitimately no better choices on offer tho
like what, CoT? thanks but no
stonevault? hell no

darkcleft was boring as hell IMO, except when at third boss you found out your healer can't actually push buttons to output 3m hps

[chrome palm]

stonevault and cbm werent that bad

dfc also i think was fine

better than db, easily

db is just such a mess

i nearly bricked a 20 because i got hit by the poison wave from 5 meters away because the boat was moving and lost all of my prism stakcs

like that dungeon is just dogshit

[glacial eagle]

db is only a mess because of bugs tbh
I kinda expected them to fix the bugs for S3

[bleak night]

[chrome palm]

i mean

that is the issue i would agree

[glacial eagle]

and priory is like
the best dungeon of TWW overall (in terms of M+), I feel

[chrome palm]

its like saying: "the crab soda would be fine if it didnt taste like crab"

[tribal blade]

hahahahaaaaaaa

[glacial eagle]

anyway I'd still take DB over like
rookery or stonevault

[tribal blade]

priory was no fun at all

screw that place

[glacial eagle]

cinderbrew can go fuck itself, worst dungeon of the expac

[chrome palm]

rookery was annoying as melee

and dk just trivialized the entire 2nd boss

[tribal blade]

rookery was bricked as melee

[chrome palm]

porting out of rookery to swap to sub was peak tho

[glacial eagle]

idk, about the only dungeon I actually still had fun with despite running it for two seasons in a row

[tribal blade]

haha yeah i ran iron wire sin on the 1st half

worked well

[tribal blade]

once the key level became high enough priory was a nightmare

that was also a dungeon that was extremely comp dependent

[bleak night]

i do think dawnbreaker wouldve been a good dungeon without the bugs

but i didnt vote for it because i knew there was literally 0 chance they fixed them

[glacial eagle]

yeah showed what I know tbh

[tribal blade]

i actually love DB, just hated the bugs

the dungeon itself is cool

[bleak night]

yeah

then i load in and the trash pack im fighting floats off into space

and i fall through the floor

[glacial eagle]

anyway floodgate was also good altho I don't like the last part after 3rd boss

[tribal blade]

early this season i think i was doing an 18 DB or something

[bleak night]

i voted for floodgate

i like that dungeon

but yeah everything past swampface couldve been taken out and it probably wouldve been better for it

[tribal blade]

and both the tank and dk dragonriding dc'd flying to last boss because they hit a pole

so 3 of us land and get wrecked

[bleak night]

[tribal blade]

i don't really like FG

the mobs are really annoying

[glacial eagle]

oh yea
the dragonriding "stop too rapidly and you DC" is such bullshit

[bleak night]

me when i fly into a tree and now im speedhacking

[glacial eagle]

like it's not even hard to reproduce most of the time

[tribal blade]

yeah dragonriding dcs are criminal

oh no i brushed the side of a rock

bam

[glacial eagle]

anyway hoping to not see any TWW dungeons until like, late TLT at the earliest, and when I do, it better not be fucking Cinderbrew

[sour horizon]

Monkey paw curls
Its Stonevault

[short radish]

return of the vaults

[hollow compass]

how come it says in the opener on wowhead to SS -> evis THEN pop your cds and SS -> Sectec, instead of just going right from SS -> cds and sectec on the second global?

also on icy veins it says to SS -> cds/sectec, not what wowhead says 🤔

[chrome palm]

Using Eviscerate activates slice and dice, which increases auto attack speed, which increases shadow technique generation

It’s probably not a big difference either way

[hollow compass]

mmm ok

ya i see a lot of logs just sending SS -> all cds and sectec

[chrome palm]

You could also strike -> Evis -> vanish -> strike -> cds

[wicked urchin]

wish they'd fix recrafting

[wild hornet]

How does the new sub feel to you guys? To me it feels kinda clanky and uncomfortable compared to the tww iteration

[fallow ingot]

Do you guys have issue with tracking vanish cooldown with the manager ? Mine is selected but didn't show in the bar

[hollow compass]

boring and soulless

[wild hornet]

Yea didn't seem as enjoyable to me as it did to some other people

[hollow compass]

i'm all for making it more accessible or intuitive, but they just removed sooo much of the spec that it feels empty

would be cool to have more interactions, a new spell, or just something to give it some flavor besides spamming 2 buttons and pressing a 3rd every 25 seconds or w/e

i felt that the CDR of sub from finishers was the most satisfying part, and now having everything as a static cooldown just gets rid of all that flavor

[deft bobcat]

i mean isnt that outlaw's flavour though?

[hollow compass]

why cant it be both

[wild hornet]

Yeah that total redesign kinda doesn't feel right

[hollow compass]

i was also a big fan of dance macabre and now its basically just a passive static node

[wild hornet]

That was too much oversimplification

I tried playing for a few hrs around it and it feels like I'm playing bm hunter

And I hate playing bm

[hollow compass]

i think if they were to have added some flashy extra thing, it wouldn't have left such a bad taste for me

like oh we're taking away all this stuff but hey look forward to getting this awesome new spell with really cool visual effects that feels great to press once a minute or something

idk just like anything

like brew for example got pruned but they got a cool new effect with exploding keg where you can re activate it and do a whole new spell basically

[wild hornet]

I just don't understand why rupture took a hit too

The changes were literally "oh we are cutting half of the spells and making half of the talents passives"

Outlaw got a cool shiny button even

[hollow compass]

i dont care so much about rupture, it was a pretty strange thing to have in sub when you think about it, but i think they could have done something more creative with it for sure rather than completely removing it

[wild hornet]

And blade rush for outlaw is now not troll

[wild hornet]

Yeah maybe at least one extra button would've been nice tbh

[hollow compass]

blade rush is sick. i remember using it back in nathria

i think they couldve repurposed flagellation personally

[wild hornet]

Did they remove killing spree or am I hallucinating

[hollow compass]

made it into a cool on use thing rather than what it was

KS is there it's just not being run rn

[dry plank]

I don’t miss cdr

Unironically sub feels ok in DS randomly

[wild hornet]

Fair enough

Just that it feels kinda stale to me without it

[pure lily]

Imagine if it was possible to have some kind of subtlety-themed dot finisher. it could even do shadow damage ! we could even call it something thematically fitting, like hmmm, nightblade or something !

[wicked urchin]

horrible tbh

[wicked urchin]

rupture is one of the things im totally cool with being gone

[dry plank]

Just rework goremaw into cool cooldown and that’s it

[vale pine]

just dm me where and i fix it

[wicked urchin]

anyone having an issue where their ui scale resets every time they reload?

[lusty epoch]

you have to use the vanish from utility cooldowns and remove the vanish from essential cooldowns

[molten citrus]

okie

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people, how is your ai looking

[wicked urchin]

horrible and bad

[vale pine]

oh, F

[hollow compass]

is anyone here good with arc ui

[wicked urchin]

its fine but i haven't found anything suitable for actionbars

[vale pine]

can also say in here, i am happy to get feedback, its a lot of words so its easy i made a mistake when copy/pasting and editing the templates

[molten citrus]

ye np

[lusty epoch]

it's like blizz had a nice idea in mind with their own customization but only finished it by 10%... Like i can't do anything with my ui. can't change anything to the size i want etc etc

[hollow compass]

@vale pine the only thing i noticed is the sub opener is different on wowhead vs icy veins, on wowhead it says to SS -> Evis, then SS -> all cds and sectec. on icy veins it says to SS -> all cds sectec

[molten citrus]

i just randomly happened to notice

[scarlet heath]

mail class

[vale pine]

ohh sneaky

[fallow ingot]

Its not possible to have it on Essentiel cooldown ?

[vale pine]

giveme 5 sec

[wild hornet]

Make it cloth

[lusty epoch]

yes you move the one from utility into essential

just drag and drop

[fallow ingot]

Kk i will try it ty.

[vale pine]

will check, both is fine but it makes sense to have the same information on the guides to be unform, thanks for mentioning

[hollow compass]

cool, yea i was just asking about that beforehand

seemed like most logs were doing ss -> all cds and sectec on 2nd global

then following rotation

[vale pine]

updated, you are the best

[vale pine]

think evis was better on trickster, but both is perfectly fine, you won't see a diffrence in log output

[molten citrus]

do we have the dance duration X haste % written anywhere?

[fallow nimbus]

The drag and drop function is nice but i need to tinker more with the overall look

[vale pine]

what addon are you using/configuring

[fallow nimbus]

Bcdm yesterday

[vale pine]

i currently use Better Cooldown Manager

i can send you my setup if you want

[fallow nimbus]

Buttons and nameplates are done already

[vale pine]

tho i need to test arc ui

some people mentioned it to me

(its also a cdm addon)

[fallow nimbus]

I can't stand spaces between icons

[vale pine]

on arc ui or my setup?

[hollow compass]

is anyone aware of a way to make an active cooldown not show this ugly yellow color?

[vale pine]

not at all or diffrent color?

[fallow nimbus]

Also this is annoying

[hollow compass]

id like it to show more so like it used to on my wa pack

kind of desaturating over time

[fallow nimbus]

I'm testing tweaks:ui cd today

[bleak night]

if you track it as a buff it'll look like that

[hollow compass]

mmm ok

[hollow compass]

can i put that buff track over top of my cooldown?

[vale pine]

^ this addon has a lot of visial enhancements for the cdm

[hollow compass]

oh is that bcdm

[vale pine]

no

thats actionbar enhanced

[bleak night]

i'd try that

[vale pine]

for bcdm

[bleak night]

because the way i suggested kinda sucks

[vale pine]

if you don't want to show the active buff

you can set up a custom one

moment

[fallow nimbus]

Is it also for the actionbars and how does it work with masque and bartender?

[vale pine]

#subtlety message

[vale pine]

you can opt in to everything, so you need to test

i did not use it because some options seem to not work correctly for me

e.g. i tried the cooldown bar stuff

and it did just fuck up my cooldown bars and did not improve them

addons atm are often a bit broken tho, so i don't hold it against the author

[fallow nimbus]

I probably end up going borderless and pixelperfect aligning stuff again

For trinkets i probably just take a bartender bar, place it somewhere and make it just 2 buttons

If i could skin the default cdm, i would even use that

[vale pine]

bcdm

has a trinket bar

this is my current setup

thats just bcdm + uuf

[hollow compass]

that looks great

[bleak night]

i ended up using that combo too for now

[limpid sage]

Where symbols

[bleak night]

gonna wait for addon stuff to settle before i look into doing much more

[vale pine]

i am actually not sure

if i want to use the default cdm for utility cooldowns

so i see the duration/uptime

or if i want to use a custom so i only see the cooldown

because currently, i have the essential cooldowns only show cooldown

[bleak night]

thats what ive been struggling with too

[vale pine]

for utility, i think the uptime is neat

[bleak night]

i ended up using custom bars for my defensive and movement and just added them to buffs to track uptime

[vale pine]

but i hate the range check ^^

[bleak night]

but its not a perfect solution

[tardy solar]

i hate the tracking bars

[tardy solar]

just let me use icons only

[vale pine]

same

[bleak night]

i'd love to use the bars but they dont fill in missing spots

[vale pine]

i want to skin them

the defaults look not good

[bleak night]

like who thought this is how they should work

[tardy solar]

literally, such silly design

[open depot]

What addons are you guys using for character portrait / health bar? Looks very clean

[bleak night]

unhalted unit frames

[open depot]

Thank you

[vale pine]

i use uuf

[clever lintel]

Is there a way to have my combo points color change when I reach 6?.

[vale pine]

atm

there are multiple options tho, so everything depends on preference

[red vortex]

I use naowh

[open depot]

Uuf? United Umbrella Frames?

I am stupid, Bel told me

Need more coffee 👴

[bleak night]

twintop's resource bar does a lot of interesting stuff, might be able to do what you want

i havent used it myself yet

just keeping an eye on it for later

[vale pine]

lol

you can't get spell id's in combat anymore from enemy debuffs

so you need to hit the dummy

then move out of range

XD

[alpine wraith]

nice

[hollow compass]

@vale pine on bcdm, how can i make a second row? right now all my essential stuff is on one row

sry if stupid question lol

[red vortex]

Isn't that in edit mode?

[bleak night]

should do it in edit mode yeah

[red vortex]

To decide rows and columns

[hollow compass]

ohhhh ya ok

yea on arcui u do everything inside the addon

bcdm seems like a hybrid addon that works with blizz ui

[vale pine]

custom and additional custom

are both extra rows

e.g. i use custom for my main cooldowns instead of the essential one from blizz

so i don't get the range indicator and uptime

[hollow compass]

mmm ok

cause now its not auto centering

this addon makes me feel like an idiot

[bleak night]

thats just a cdm problem in general

they're allergic to centering anything

[hollow compass]

i thought bcdm auto centers stuff

or is that a different addon

[bleak night]

it auto centers buffs

i'd do what fuu suggested and just put some of the stuff on a custom bar

and anchor it to the essentials bar

[hollow compass]

yea imma do that

actual insane behavior that they dont have a center button

on blizz ui

[patent crystal]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[clever lintel]

I know damage is a joke in pre patch. Just wondering if 50k overall in a priory 12 is decent?

[open depot]

Depends on which dmg meter

[clever lintel]

Blizzard one

Base meter

[steel zinc]

Both bugged apis

Range that is

[steel zinc]

It does not have auto center

[clever lintel]

Also got up to 155k aoe one pull. Seemed good to me but could have just been with shitters

[wicked urchin]

didnt get a response before but any fix for my uiscale being messed up every time i reloadui?

if i change my ui scale by 1% it resets to normal

but i have to do it every time

[graceful crown]

guys, am i tripping or were we supposed to have symbols

[haughty mural]

any chance to track the stacks in this option instead of just tracking the CD ? unforch Latent Energy is a whole different ID and you cant drag it in there

[open depot]

Yeah that’s good enough. You are allowed to do another dungeon @clever lintel

[alpine wraith]

they killed symbols

[graceful crown]

can i find the grave and grieve or something? it was like an abusive relationship

[alpine wraith]

last minute mercy killing

[graceful crown]

so we deadass just dance and sectec

and daggers whenever

[wicked urchin]

p much yeah

[vale pine]

its not even that its bugged

i just don't like it ^^

[steel zinc]

Nope

[alpine wraith]

yea we have 3 cds now

sec tech dance and blades

[steel zinc]

Range indicator is bugged for most add-ons

[alpine wraith]

if you want to feel engaged after every 20 secs of dance you can do a sudoku

[graceful crown]

i was pressing buttons that dont exist anymore trying to do my rotation, i was genuinely stunlocked what to do after the first shadowstrike LMFAO

[wicked urchin]

also using bcm right now

is there any way to move all my elements at once?

[haughty mural]

unluck - thanks Mapko

[toxic obsidian]

Folks which hero tree is better for m+? If its trickster is it better to spam shadowstrike+ eviscerate for aoe or ss+BP?

[cursive vapor]

#subtlety-faq

[vale pine]

you essentially just use storm + bp on 2-3 targets already

2-3 because on two, you still use strike

for trickster

still use coup always

[vale pine]

its a mess, but expected, how is your addon development going

i saw you send multiple updates yesterday

i had this idea too, idk how practical it is

think its just too much information

especially if you want to track stacks too

[steel zinc]

Really good tbh. It has everything a rogue needs. First dance tracker range tracker.

[steel zinc]

This is coming via BCDM today

[fallow ingot]

Its still not working 😢

[vale pine]

ohh

[steel zinc]

GitHub version has it already

[vale pine]

do you know a roadmap for unhalted

[fallow ingot]

I'm doing it wrong ? why tf my vanish cannot be displayed

[vale pine]

i don't rly want to featrue request things he might not want to add

[vale pine]

in the default cooldown maanger?

[fallow ingot]

Yes

[sullen hare]

Unhalted is in fire stomping mode right now but if you pop in the discord with a reasonable request he'll answer it

It might be a simple yes or no but it'll get answered

[vale pine]

what does fire stomping mode mean

(sorry if i ask stupid questions)

[vale pine]

give me a sec

[bleak night]

fixing stuff (putting out fires)

[fallow ingot]

Yeah no worries ty sir

Like idk why i canniot track stealth buff too

[sullen hare]

Lots of issues and only enough attention to spread around

[vale pine]

ah fair

i mean, i am fine rn

[sullen hare]

Stomping on fires as they spark so they don't spread etc

[vale pine]

just wanted to know what i can expect unhalted to add

so i can find addons for the rest

[wicked urchin]

anyone else forget to apply poisons this week because their weakaura reminder is gone?

i did

[vale pine]

i think you have vanish as essential cooldown tracked

[sullen hare]

Not yet but I'll be victim to it eventually

[wicked urchin]

only for the first two bosses but yeah

and then my game crashed for dimensius

[sullen hare]

More like not until the one person in my raid that has a weak aura that screams at them that the rogue doesn't have poisons on whistles at me

[fallow ingot]

Yeah bu it didn't show at all :/

[vale pine]

you can only use vanish here

its not under buffs

[tribal blade]

1% dmg gg

[fallow ingot]

should be here ?

[vale pine]

tho its funny

because it seems like there are two vanishes

[tribal blade]

yeah btw why are there 2 vanishes

[vale pine]

you need to use the corretc one

[tribal blade]

yeah 1 doesn't work

[alpine wraith]

yea it tracks the 3 sec one as a buff

ahaha

[tribal blade]

also symbols and rupture still in there

[alpine wraith]

remember the improv stealth?

[vale pine]

or just put both

[fallow ingot]

Its 1856 spellID

[tribal blade]

i've decided to just use the blizz cd manager and not an addon

and done some tweaking to make stuff a bit better

[fallow ingot]

i'm using basic CD Manager

but vanish is not displayed idk why i'm losing my mind lmao

[tribal blade]

the only thing i want is better visuals on coup/DN

[fallow ingot]

blizz cannot do shit correctly nothing new

[bleak night]

i used basic cd manager enough on beta to know i dont want to use it now

[tribal blade]

maybe in a few weeks i'll change my mind

but for now i don't feel like messing around with addons

[vale pine]

there are two vanish icons

move both up

and see if its fixed

it worked for me

[fallow ingot]

I'm crazy but i only see one ?

[vale pine]

yes

only one works

we don't know why there are two

seems like a bug

[fallow ingot]

I only have one

i swear

[vale pine]

else

you can just import a cooldown manager setup

from someone else

and after that modify it

give me a sec

[fallow ingot]

Already have import the luxthos one

[vale pine]

ahh interessting

i don't know else

[vale pine]

yep

[fallow ingot]

what does the eyes mean ?

[scarlet heath]

visual alert

[fallow ingot]

Can we get WA back please

[north schooner]

ye, hold on calling ion now

[sullen hare]

No refunds possible I'm sorry

I talked to blizzard customer service

Sorry that was a lie they don't exist anymore

[fallow ingot]

I create a new CDM setup

and look

https://tenor.com/view/issou-drole-marrant-rire-rigoler-gif-6142116

FF guys

[vale pine]

nicu

at least it works now

[cursive vapor]

would be cool if this would actually turn into coup icon and have some kind of glow when having 4 stacks

[sullen hare]

That's asking way too much

You need to calm down

starts blasting

[radiant swift]

where are u guys finding rhese pre built cdm setups? i checked wago, but it doesnt seem to hqve any

[alpine wraith]

some addons let you import them

[fallow ingot]

ST spec is 4 boutons now right ? (playing rogue back since legion)

[alpine wraith]

kinda yea

[sullen hare]

bettercooldownmanager

[alpine wraith]

well maybe 5 buttons

[fallow ingot]

MonkaS

[radiant swift]

well yeah but where do u get the codes from

[alpine wraith]

there is a button to export and you copy that

then import

in the addons

[radiant swift]

what

[fleet acorn]

Need mapko addons and blizz ui Import

[wicked urchin]

pretty much yeah

[radiant swift]

well yeah i know how importing works where do people post their codes is wjst im trying to figure

[wicked urchin]

i bust my ass off the past two seasons and finally get into a HoF guild and now the spec is like this

[alpine wraith]

oh mine is in my sheet

mapko has a disc and some people post theirs too

[wicked urchin]

i was so proud of my improvement

[alpine wraith]

dont worry most of the skill will be in cd management in fights as always

[scarlet heath]

this is what is irking me the most, realistically the only thing that I really want to track

[wicked urchin]

yeah im sure its just a kneejerk reaction

[sullen hare]

You have weeks to work around in in the addon(s) and figure out what you like, don't like, and all that jazz. Here's something to chew on though
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bettercooldownmanager

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/unhaltedunitframes

[scarlet heath]

instead gotta settle for 4 stacks icon = Coup ready

[fallow ingot]

Do we play round shadow technique outisde of Shadow dances windows ?

[cursive vapor]

when u drag that it is coup icon haha

[scarlet heath]

Well, you can have Evis icon that automatically turns into Coup when ready

but it is still annoying

I dont wanna see the Evis 24/7

[radiant swift]

okay idk if im not asking precisely enough - i have the addons and im aware how it works - normaly u get peoples stuff from wago for Weakaura stuff - Now that is gone i wanted to know where people post their stuff to have a starting point

[scarlet heath]

the flexibility of WAs is surely missed

[vale pine]

i would use that

if it would wok

[scarlet heath]

oh

[vale pine]

witht he option "hide if inactive"

so i only see coup

[scarlet heath]

[vale pine]

atm its rly annoying

[scarlet heath]

I'd be fine with that

personally I am also annoyed I cant do the glow alert on it

I wouldnt mind seeing the Evis if it started glowing when coup is rdy

or preferably even gray out the Evis

WAs spoiled me

also is the coup still 1.2 gcd? Feels like it messes up my flow everytime I use it

I hate it

otherwise I like using it

[lilac stag]

Track FW when?

[haughty mural]

last titan

[sullen hare]

Oh! That kinda thing is gonna get blown by pretty quick here but if you want ideas you can always ask. Couldn't hurt to throw has:image channel:#subtlety in the search bar but don't just rely on this channel please 😬

[vale pine]

tbh i haven't tested what arc ui can do

[sinful marten]

is sub just the easiest spec in the game after the changes this looks so braindead to play

[vale pine]

probably not the easiest

but within that

[lilac stag]

Like how fucking difficult is it to take any class buff that displays in the upper right corner and have it in the cdm?!?

[keen dome]

This is very annoying, yeah.

[vale pine]

arc ui seemed like it can track buffs

[lilac stag]

Only the cdm ones

[vale pine]

idk how well it works or if its limited like the cdm

[graceful tangle]

just tried it out and i miss double secret tech already

[vale pine]

if it can only do cdm ones, rip

[lilac stag]

Like fW is hidden from cdm

Da fuk

[north schooner]

only cdm buffs yes

[scarlet heath]

running some lower mythics feels really good for me so far as Sub, the damage feels very snappy

I am using the Shadow + Sectech macro, feels like if they combined it at this point it might be best... something like Bestial Wrath for hunter (no longer just press for buff but it is actual attack that does dmg, same with Outlaw and BF few expansions ago), just my 2 cents tho

[vale pine]

alright

i stick to better cdm for now

and hope they add a option for cooldown bars

because the default sucks

and i haven't found an addon to replace them

[keen dome]

Yeah, I did a +5 last night and the amount of deletion Sub could do was fun

[scarlet heath]

the macro is a bit awkward because if something happens like the target porting behind you, you just pop SD but dont fire sectech so you lose some time

so I still gotta have sectech as separate keybind for these cases

[north schooner]

arcui can do that from what I saw

[vale pine]

it can

[lilac stag]

It was krangled my first go of it. Have to try it some more today.

[vale pine]

but the settings are a bit, not easy to setup

and limited

i wish arcui would just be opt in

so i can enable it only for the bars for example

[north schooner]

anything with cdm takes quite a bit of work right now tbh. Blizzard hasn't made it easy to modify the layout

[vale pine]

because atm it fucks up my better cdm setup

ye

i know, everything is broken atm

kinda

^^

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

I dislike the blue glowing hand buff from cold blood persisting when you are out of combat. I hope they change it to hide the visual when not in combat, 'cos it looks dumb

[scarlet heath]

one of my characters still has the Ansurek tier set on and when I hover over the pieces, my addons start brutally freaking out lmao

the game's krangled

[keen dome]

Tooltips for items keep breaking for me

[scarlet heath]

ye same

[keen dome]

finger

feet!

very useful game

[north schooner]

they are indeed feet though!

[lilac stag]

“Dogs”

[keen dome]

I don't have any addons touching those so it's just the base game shitting itself

[scarlet heath]

is this the minimalistic approach? the great pruning?

[keen dome]

haha

[scarlet heath]

gear doesnt have stats anymore

it¨s just gear

to make it simple

[keen dome]

the ff14 approach

[scarlet heath]

yeah if I hover over it with addons enabled, the game starts dying

[lilac stag]

I wish we weren’t mount farming. I don’t want to deal with this shit.

rather get annoyed on beta server

[vale pine]

oh for those who tried

does better cdm

export the default cdm settings too

or just its own settings

i just ask because the later means you need to import 2 strings

[keen dome]

I like the new Blizz Nameplates, but I hope we get more customisation options for name display, location, castbar, etc.

[lilac stag]

I’d be surprised if it does both. Not sure how it would set two things at once on import with how Edit mode works.

[vale pine]

my fps go to 2-3

[keen dome]

oh no

[vale pine]

when i use anything thats not nameplate kai

[keen dome]

That's so weird

[vale pine]

with the option to unhook blizz stuff

[keen dome]

I wonder what's causing it 'cos I've noticed no FPS impact from them so far.

[vale pine]

this one

i mean, i play on a toaster, compared to most others

[keen dome]

interesting

Ye, but Blizz should make sure it's functional on toasters 'cos WoW is not a demanding game in most circumstances

(Dornogal nonwithstanding)

I guess their new nameplates must've added some new compute elements?

[lilac stag]

It’s demanding in dungeons and raids

[vale pine]

i asusme some specific functionality

[weary tree]

@vale pine is any of this not meant to be ST instead of dance?

[lilac stag]

And open world

[keen dome]

Ovi'nax lmao

[vale pine]

oh ye, secret techniques ready

[keen dome]

Ovi'nax is such a fun micrcosm of issues with WoW design

[weary tree]

Yeah thought so 😛

[vale pine]

my bad, ill update in a sec

[lilac stag]

Go into any open work quest area with 30+ people, worse with PvP, and see how demanding the game is

[keen dome]

Yes, I'm aware.

[vale pine]

updated, thanks

[keen dome]

I said in most circumstances for a reason. I wouldn't consider that a typical standard circumstance you run into constantly.

Raids are more complicated but yeah, 30 raids can be super demanding on the CPU 'cos of how much is going on.

But addons did add a lot into that.

[lilac stag]

But those 3 are literally some of the most things people do

even lfr

Shits itself

[keen dome]

It does, yeah.

[vale pine]

i mean

there is no reason for fps to drop from 30/60 to 2-3

from nameplates

[keen dome]

Ye, absolutely

[vale pine]

thats just something broken

[lilac stag]

try turning off addons.

[vale pine]

thats without addons

defautl namepaltes

[keen dome]

This is something I really dislike with the Blizz nameplates:

Neutral mobs having no name unless clicked on

[vale pine]

i think you did not readd my message

[lilac stag]

genuine question, do you meet the minimum systems requirements?

[vale pine]

i have no idea, did they update them?

[lilac stag]

I’d start there

[fossil forge]

Lads any new addon recommendations or sum

My game looks like the first time i turned on wow

[keen dome]

If Fuu can run the game fine with those options enabled, and the Blizz nameplates are the only thing dropping their FPS from playable to 3? that's a bug issue.

[vale pine]

^

it might be one specific feature

[keen dome]

Yeah, it could be some esoteric interaction with your hardware.

But I kinda doubt it.

[queen plinth]

uuf, bcdm, plater, details

[lilac stag]

Not saying it’s not, ran full raid with zero nameplate issues. Both default and Jundies. So how to isolate it.

[vale pine]

if i wanted to dive into it

[lilac stag]

I also did a full nuke of wow

[vale pine]

i would need to individually unhook all blizz stuff

and see what api is causing the issue

[keen dome]

Could be some weird rendering technique they've chosen and your GPU just can't do it? But I doubt it, I bet it's some weird compute issue with them.

[vale pine]

then bypass warden to profile the game

XD

which is against tos

[keen dome]

haha

[vale pine]

you are right, maybe its hardware related, possible

[keen dome]

did black morass used to have textures

[lilac stag]

What are you “unhooking”

[vale pine]

it might be related to the upscaling stuff

[vale pine]

nameplate kai does it

[lilac stag]

You said no addons when I asked

[vale pine]

okay let me explain it again to you

if i have no addons, i have the performance problem

the option above fixes it entirely

what the option does

is unhook blizz nameplate/personal ressource display stuff

[lilac stag]

So go back to no addons and check game rendering settings. Ie upscaling as you mentioned.

[vale pine]

its only one possibility

[lilac stag]

also look at the actual system requirements. While likely a glitch you quite possible hit end of life of the toaster.

[vale pine]

but to go over the rain of thoughts, as it seems i am not clear

if i want to find the problem

the best way would be to write an addon that unhooks everything individually from blizz

and then check everything individually to find the cause

after that, i can either look at blizz implementation from someone who illigally (unsure but could be against eula iirc) extracted the ui code

and see if i can find the problem there

and if nothing else helps i would need 3rd party software to know exactly

[keen dome]

have you put in a bug report, for what it's worth?

[vale pine]

i haven't, because i did not have the problem on beta

[keen dome]

Well that's even more fascinating haha

I'd put one in via retail if you can. More data is good and useful if nothing else comes from it

[vale pine]

oh right

could do that

[keen dome]

I want to know what caused black morass to lose all it's textures lmao

[vale pine]

but

let me check if beta now has the problem too

[keen dome]

I assume they just renamed or updated the grass texture file and didn't point to the new one

[vale pine]

(beta had an update today)

[keen dome]

🫡

[midnight iron]

i know it's prepatch but sub gameplay actually just feels sad

[vale pine]

its very simple now

[sullen hare]

It'll feel better with a little haste weirdly enough

[keen dome]

Yeah, Haste def helps.

It's a lot less involved, but I like the vibe.

[lilac stag]

It’s a good vibe

[sullen hare]

It's what it is

[lilac stag]

games change.

[midnight iron]

i feel like wrath was less barebones than this

[keen dome]

Sub was never actually hard to play. It just had a lot of complicated and weird rules. The core style is still there, somewhat.

[lilac stag]

I’m looking forward to all the orange parses in mythic in this channel.

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

In a pug??

[vale pine]

@lilac stag it seems to be not render scale, i just tested on beta, and i set the render scale to 65%

[sullen hare]

It wasn't. I was there and the hot shit action was macros to swap your offhand dagger

[lilac stag]

Did you do a clean install on live?

[vale pine]

and the frame rate seems fine

[lilac stag]

you did on beta

[midnight iron]

well rogue in general i guess

[keen dome]

I am happy Rutpure is gone, but I actually do think we need one more button to do something with. Do I know what? Nope. But.. Just something.

[vale pine]

beta is not a clean install

[midnight iron]

i remember playing ass in naxx on classic and it was legit more strenuous than this

[vale pine]

as its not installing the 120 GB of game files

[midnight iron]

if you were doing the tryhard shit

[lilac stag]

The core is clean

With shared files

[keen dome]

Scath has a decent point with doing a clean install, just to rule out any weird file issues.

[lilac stag]

It takes more time to copy the retail folder as a backup than it does to do a fresh install

[keen dome]

Depending on your internet speed*

[alpine wraith]

some people have had problems because their wtf file had some legacy things interfering

[lilac stag]

74gb deleted later

[keen dome]

(It takes more time for me to download it)

[alpine wraith]

it takes me like 2 or 3 mins depending

but still

[vale pine]

+1 this

i think the easiest would probably be to just delete wtf

to get a clean install

[keen dome]

Yeah

Just nuke the entire structure

[sullen hare]

The uuf ui scaling option is absolutely gonna be fucking people up

[vale pine]

ye

don't tick it

[sullen hare]

I don't use it but it's got that real nice shiny charm to it

[keen dome]

Before prepatch I nuked my cvar's and outside of the intense tutorial spam issue, it fixed some minor problesm I had

[lilac stag]

I’d nuke retail and see what happens.

[vale pine]

i probably should back up my ui settings before

just in case

^^

[lilac stag]

mmhm

[keen dome]

Ye, I'd backup your wtf, etc. Nuke it, reinstall it, launch it clean and see if the issue is there with an entirely clean install

And if so, you know it's not the wtf.

[vale pine]

i mean i don't need to re-download wow

[lilac stag]

I did the uninstall. Delete everything in retail. Reinstall.

[vale pine]

because if it was a file issue

it would be on beta too

[lilac stag]

Trying to be logical with a 20 year old game

So cute

[vale pine]

XD

[keen dome]

points at the blank morass nothing makes sense in this game anyway

[vale pine]

haha

[keen dome]

Although that one is pretty obvious how it happened.

the giant floating troll rings in Boralus is harder to explain

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

aliens

[keen dome]

I hope we get a way to track trinkets, though. Although i tmight bea non-issue in the future and just be an issue with netherprism.

But I keep forgetting to use it lol

[lilac stag]

arcui

but the stacks are a no go it seems

but I didn’t try prism yet

[keen dome]

I'm gonna worry about it if I need to track a trinket properly in MIdnight itself

For Prism it's kinda w/e.

[vale pine]

wish me luck, scan and repair^^

[molten citrus]

#subtlety message

does anyone know?

[steel zinc]

What happend?

[molten citrus]

[tribal blade]

not sure sorry

[molten citrus]

i will do the maths then sadge

[limber sand]

Anyone wanna share good sub ui ?

[thorn oxide]

you got any screenshots/images? 😄

[keen dome]

Check the transmog chatting thread. Someone else posted some there

[vale pine]

tl;dr: My game runs perfectly fine, but i get a legs from the defualt nameplates. I don't have the issue on beta so to troubleshoot, i try to "clean install" by:

• Deleting my WTF
• Resetting ingame settings in the wow launcher
• Scan and Repair

[tribal blade]

so is sub especially bare right now or is this the norm across most specs atm

[molten citrus]

would 30% haste be +2.7sec on dance?

or am i dumb and bad at math

i am for sure 1 of these things

[opal basalt]

It’s among the worse ones imo

[vale pine]

i can fix it on retail by installing a specific nameplate addong which unhooks some of the blizz nameplate ui code

for a "performance mode"

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[opal basalt]

Like outlaw is going ham about how the spec is boring now but they still have a much more interesting builder spender priority than we do

[humble fractal]

Still ppl plays sub in there ? Im so sad about the rework. Dumb class now.

[vale pine]

that was blizz intention

[haughty rose]

What's base Dance duration? In Arena i have 30% haste and 8.1 seconds dance

[sullen hare]

The word I use among friends is lobotomized but yeah it's a little simpler

[vale pine]

nothing we can do about it

[molten citrus]

6s

[haughty rose]

so 30% = 2.1 sec i guess

[fossil forge]

Does first dance count

10sec dance ?

[humble fractal]

We have to yell like retribution paladin discord . Like they did before.

[fossil forge]

[molten citrus]

that would just get added on

[humble fractal]

Blizzard ! Do u hear us ?! Guess no...

[fossil forge]

Havent rly played finna hop on today and cook some 🔥

[molten citrus]

that seems odd to me

[alpine wraith]

dont worry it can be a bit weird because sometimes the partial % add extra 0.x and sometimes not

so weird numbers can appear

[molten citrus]

ahhh okay

[sullen hare]

Praying hasn't worked since earthbound so idk

[molten citrus]

so +2.7 for 30% haste is technically correct

math wise?

150% of 30% haste

@haughty rose can you check with 22% haste

[humble fractal]

What about the others spec gameplay ? I'm an OTP sub, but i think im gonna switch spec.

[tribal blade]

i go look in the outlaw channel and immediately see someone dooming in there haha

[tribal blade]

i've been reaching this point where i'm becoming a more casual player, so might just play sub tbh

but i'm gonna check out outlaw for sure

big issue is my ms which has always been a nightmare on outlaw

[sullen hare]

Assassination is always a good branching path as long as you keep in mind that you're not always gonna get that restealth you want every time 🙂

[tribal blade]

they removed the stealth conditional to IC

[vale pine]

all specs in midnight are now super simple

[sullen hare]

And if that doesn't make sense now it will when you play assassination, but some stress is too bad

[vale pine]

it is the game direction blizz wants wow to move to

[lilac stag]

I mean did you expect anything different?

[vale pine]

some people love that

others hate it

same with addon changes

[tribal blade]

haha nahhh

[sullen hare]

Shit just the changes to tempest are huge

[tribal blade]

yeah it's big for sin in aoe

no longer being gate kept dmg by your tank

[lilac stag]

all three specs will be fine I think. Rogue just missing utility gonna be the struggle for LFG

outlaw bros do realize how much other classes lost in defensives so ofc outlaw ruined.

[sullen hare]

This did just come out though I saw it on a wowhead comment

[lilac stag]

Fuu you hit wowhead comments.

[vale pine]

at least use the updated one

[sullen hare]

I lied sorry

[vale pine]

XD

[sullen hare]

I was honestly expecting them to end up in d tier though

[vale pine]

updated class and hero one too

you are welcome

[lilac stag]

trying to repurpose a meme from where it originated

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[upbeat garden]

This list should be upside down

[humble fractal]

Need so much an utility. Like smoke bomb in PvE would be great for example.

[vale pine]

Quick notes

• Darkmoon Sigil Radiance was fixed and does not give slightly too much stats anymore, this means back to focusing lense, even tho it seems to still hold up well in dungeon slice.
  If you recrated:
  It remains strong, its just not op anymore.
• 23. Jan Some Bugs have been fixed, Shadow Blades combo point generation now works.

[vale pine]

just for those who recrafted to know its not op anymore

still solid/fine

[alpine wraith]

think they fixed the tw madness too

of the non scaled weps

[lilac stag]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[vale pine]

@lilac stag actaully, it seems to be fixed atm

[sullen glacier]

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

[lilac stag]

what got changed?

[vale pine]

nvm

back to 2 fs

fps

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

[keen dome]

It's not going to be a system requirement issue if Fuu can run the game perfectly fine except for their new frames.

[vale pine]

i have intel hd 620

so should be fine within spec

tho it might be dx12 telated

[keen dome]

Wouldn't be shocked, haha. That shit breaks so often

[spiral sierra]

its always Dx12 related.

[lilac stag]

dx 12 and toasters not a winner

[vale pine]

its not only toasters

my gf had issues too with it and she runs a good pc setup

[sullen hare]

Wait a minute isn't that the bulldozer AMD cpus?

[lilac stag]

The fact you can still start the game on a 560 kinda funny

[upbeat garden]

I have 32 gb ram and rx 7600x cant hold 100 fps in dornogal at graphics 7

All the other games I can play at max and have no issue

[sullen hare]

Have you considered just going into debt and buying a PC?

[vale osprey]

Did they fix radiance too do we know?

[vale pine]

thats radiance

[torn tide]

dont worry its not you, my rtx 5090 with 64gb cant hold more than 130fps in the training dummy area

[torn tide]

i kinda thought sub would be above assa

[vagrant fulcrum]

RAM requirements

I pray the price goes down soon, I wanna upgrade

[vale pine]

some stupid dude put a before s in the alphabet

[rain stratus]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torn tide]

yea smh the person shouldve thought about it harder before making the alphabet

[tribal blade]

oh ok parses are completely cooked right now

no wonder

[clever delta]

That's skill issue, 4k resolution in dornogal

[torn tide]

crazy

[clever delta]

But that's with smooth motion in nvdiia app so its fake frames, withnout frame generator i have only about 130 as you

[spiral sierra]

i think i stutter going into the center of dorn but then my frames stabilize to around 100

so how we looking at level 90? i missed all those conversations >.<

but im loving prepatch atleast.

[vale osprey]

If only I could read, I meant to ask if they fixed symbiosis

[lilac stag]

@vale pine think i finally got it somewhat close to where I had WA setup

have to sort some of the text still

[sharp oriole]

What addon are u using mate ?

[vale osprey]

You using Arc for that? Mine is similar yours is just cleaner (I don't have the patience)

[vale pine]

nicu

is that arc ui?

[lilac stag]

arc + sensei

there's def some tweaking to do, but likely will wait until release

it's clean enough for prepatch

[weak bridge]

pi doesn’t do anything for us right

Because it’s not rating

[lilac stag]

it helps with melee, sht, etc. it will not add to dance

[weak bridge]

In context of the sd duration

Yeah

[fleet acorn]

Anyone can link mapko discord I cant find it here or on his profile- checked curse too no link either

[lilac stag]

@steel zinc

[steel zinc]

https://discord.gg/4XAKw78K

[fleet acorn]

Thanks

[haughty mural]

Sectech cd also affected right ?

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

We are back (without the rupture)

[sly shore]

I have been noticing frame drop since pre-patch

and that's without addons

really strange stuff

[haughty mural]

I got no drops. All smooth as butter

[sly shore]

it's only in dornogal really

[haughty mural]

Did a clean reinstall and addon purge before first login into prepatch though

[sly shore]

just randomly drop from 150fps to 110fps

ah ofc I forgot to do that

I'll probably just clean up my wtf folder

then move them out and reinstall

reinstall takes 10 mins or some shit anyway game isn't too big

[haughty mural]

Aye it’s fast af nowadays

Didn’t even safe wtf folder

[sly shore]

I get 500MB/s in bnet fortunately

[haughty mural]

Just made a clean sweep

[sly shore]

or was it 250MB

either way it fast

[haughty mural]

Ye i went to take a good dump and as i returned it was finished

[sly shore]

[haughty mural]

Ez

[haughty rose]

30% when entering PvP combat

[haughty mural]

Though 14gb seems a bit low

[sly shore]

that's jhust an old screenshot

[cloud river]

guys may i know why are we swapping our s3 trinkets for another ones ?

[sly shore]

from when beta released

[haughty mural]

Oh

[sly shore]

either way it's 1GB every 4s lol

[haughty rose]

@molten citrus 22%

[molten citrus]

i wonder if there's a pvp modifier or if the tooltip is just wrong

[haughty rose]

i mean usually when i attack the pvp dummy im in pvp combat so all my stats get boosted. should be accurate

[lusty epoch]

so what stuff are bugged in raidbots?

As i understand it, raidiance and symbiosis are bugged as embelishments, so we use 2x focusing lense.

Raidbots also tells me to use authority of the dephts instead of the stat weapon enchants, is this also bugged?

Anything else that's good to know?

[molten citrus]

ye i'm saying there might be a pvp modifer on deepening, or the tooltip is just wrong

hacha was saying earlier it can show weird numbers earlier

[haughty rose]

probably just buggy af like everything right now

[molten citrus]

whatever gets us to 7-8 globals will likely be our breakpoint in pvp

will have to see

[haughty rose]

30% feels pretty nice for pvp in terms of globals and especially to line up sec tec every second dance. right now sec tec is really the only fun button to press

[tribal blade]

is FB completely passive for outlaw

[molten citrus]

goremaws and even cheap shot are doing decent dmg

[haughty mural]

Think so yes

[haughty rose]

is there any way to check actual damage of the individual spells like we could in details before? i really don't fancy scrolling through combat log

[tribal blade]

i'm setting up outlaw and this looks way better

WAY more straightforward

[haughty mural]

I am afraid of that and that’s why I’m too scared to try it

(Also got no mainhand)

[tribal blade]

it's a good thing i think

[molten citrus]

combat log is the most reliable. especially on beta/prepatch/early season etc and especially for checking actual pvp damage. dummies are also quite unreliable for checking actual numbers.

[haughty rose]

yeah it's just so tedious to use

[haughty mural]

Yes

Im just scared I will like more than sub right now

[molten citrus]

testing pvp things has always been tedious, indeed

have to duel a homie or your own alt account and dig through the combat log

[haughty rose]

no homies left. all went to classic and never looked back :/

[molten citrus]

[tribal blade]

me too tbh haha

[keen dome]

Become the OmniRogue

Able to play all three specs and have fun doing it

I did some content as Outlaw last night and it owned

I've gotta set up Assa tonight and play it too but so far both Sub and Law seem pretty amazing to jus tplay

[radiant swift]

what actionbar addon is that? looks clean

[haughty rose]

better blizz frames

[radiant swift]

ty sir

[haughty rose]

kalvish preset with some own tweaks but non to action bars

[radiant swift]

oh is that a full UI addon? those action bars def look diffrent to normal blizzard ones, no?

[haughty rose]

no not full. afaik it's just a setting for black borders

[narrow shadow]

Where sub bug fixes?

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-gif-25290651

[fleet acorn]

Did recrafting got fixed ?

[radiant swift]

oh nice but i see u can hide blizz things - for some reason i cant hide the blizzard player frame

[haughty rose]

i just checked it's the darkmode setting for action bars. BBF general settings

[molten citrus]

betterblizzplates/betterblizzframes

[haughty rose]

i can't either. it's just behind the talent tree window

and yes those two UH DK's did more damage in those 2 rounds than i did in all 6 in solo shuffle 😄

wrong screenshot

[radiant swift]

behind the talent tree window? for me its full showing like in the middle of my screen

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not bad

it's more involved than sub for sure

but definitely easier to understand than before

[tulip light]

uhm guys am i missing anything or is sub down to dance stech and backstab inbetween? 😮

[vale pine]

oh wow, thats a wide monitor

[haughty rose]

you can move it

[vale pine]

i tried both and found them very hard to configure

[haughty rose]

yeah 34"

[vale pine]

nice

[molten citrus]

they're pretty easy

[radiant swift]

i couldnt - its just stuck there for some reason - i guess its a bug bud idk how to get rid of it

[molten citrus]

compared to Plater lol

[vale pine]

lol

i actually haven't found a good action bar addon

open for suggestions, bartender does not work for me for some reason

(and dominos chanegs bars i don't want to be changed)

[radiant swift]

blizzard bars with a diffrent look seem to be fine

his seem nice and its just the regular bars

just made "pretty"

[haughty rose]

yeah it's a bug. a lot of default blizzard UI stuff doesn't work for me either

[radiant swift]

if it atleast wasnt in the middle of the screen

time to steal fuu´s stuff

[vale pine]

i can post my latest setup later if you want

i still need raid frames too, unless i can set up the defaults to look good

[radiant swift]

id love to if u dont mind - its mostly cooldownmanager anyway - ive made the base UI to my liking but the cooldownmanager is just

if u lose a skill, it just shortens the whole thing

[vale pine]

i use better cooldown manager tho, so thats for both the cdm and better cdm

[radiant swift]

Do u need both?

[vale pine]

unsure if better cooldown manager includes the baseline setup for cooldowns

you can just try

[radiant swift]

thank you very much

Also u just cant get rid of the "World Buffs"

[vale pine]

lol

[haughty mural]

Yes I thought so. Also the involved part

Plus animations

[dry plank]

wow CD manager could track SoD but cant first dance 🙂

[harsh meadow]

Holy shit dude whispyr video about subtlety bugs

Did not realize it was that bad

[vale pine]

we have like 32

or more

so ye

[radiant swift]

its not even movable

[slate marlin]

how many affect gameplay?

[vale pine]

only a few

blades might be the most noticable

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[vale pine]

but basically

• you don't get cdr from the cdr talent (for secret) on trickster
• Blades does not give combo points
• Deathstalkers mark is buggy sometimes

a lot of the bugs are damage/interaction or apex