subtlety

[rough olive]

My shadowcraft refund sound is triggering very low, I can't barely hear, I'm not finding how to adjust that sound

[swift tinsel]

under Conditions, it will show the sound channel it plays through, should be able to find that in Audio in your menu and adjust that volume

[rotund rock]

mythic lilly over heroic forge? i have nothing else to spend my tokens on cuz i dont mythic raid:(

kinda lame

[limber relic]

You guys think i got enough haste?

[brisk onyx]

yes

[tropic night]

/macro

[tired dome]

How do people on Lorrgs seem to get Flag off on a boss at 00:01 and then like 1:22?

[bleak night]

blessing of autumn

[tired dome]

Oh okay, guess my paly's dont use it on me lol

[serene notch]

turbo boost not causing more keys to be run :/

everyone to busy with remix and fellowship 😮

[azure thicket]

does crippling poison work on the araz adds?

[hushed roost]

you can craft 2 ring of earthen craftsmanship right like same stats

[serene notch]

if you are asking a question then, yes you can

[hushed roost]

yeah tryna figure out best thing to do

[serene notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[hushed roost]

i know

just wasnt sure if you can equip the same ring

[remote eagle]

found this wowhead comment, better double check

[short radish]

i have both equipped

[hushed roost]

hmm i dont see it now

[short radish]

at 727

[hushed roost]

wonderful

same stats too right

[remote eagle]

ok sick then

[short radish]

uh

[hushed roost]

dont have to do anything different

[short radish]

i dunno but i doubt it'd matter

[hushed roost]

okie fuck it uncapped anyway

ty for info

[brisk onyx]

I am very sure you can equip two earthen ring

[serene notch]

yea you can

[short radish]

mine are same stats

but it shouldnt matter

[brisk onyx]

Nice goblin!

[warm marlin]

@short radish im washed already

misplayed every boss in reclear

[short radish]

sounds like my reclears

[solid lotus]

No dinars needed

[solid lotus]

Are you him, from myth

[short radish]

i am

[solid lotus]

I’ve only perved on your logs 2 or 3 times this tier

[short radish]

[solid lotus]

Learning sub + you were 1 boss ahead of me all tier

Your guild isn’t full of padding dogs except lexy so I could never do your Araz damage

[short radish]

tbh

i wouldnt copy me

because i just copy other ppl

and then make it scuffed

[lucid jackal]

Guys

[short radish]

speeeeeed

[warm marlin]

wdym the plexus was fire

[warm marlin]

wait he got a good vault

surely u didnt buy boe ring of that weeks ago

[short radish]

true that one was a good kill

i think i was 10 seconds off your r1

all my other kills though i dunno if its because im doing something scuffed

or if its just really bad kill timers

[strange heath]

so if we dont raid whats the go to dinar item here?

i have mythic+12 slots unlocked

[lucid jackal]

NOPE

I held

[short radish]

you buy whatever you can buy

[woven ruin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[strange heath]

fire advice man thanks

[short radish]

i mean what other advice is there

buy whatever sims highest

if that combo is a heroic prism + paceamker so be it

[deep iron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pFtaN9c7HPbQXj68

help

[short radish]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[deep iron]

my flagellation should 100% always be my first thing on openers, so if i have it ready i wait for all the cds?

[short radish]

yes

every flag/blade burst needs to have 2 dances

and then in between you generally cast 1-2 dances as well

[deep iron]

and when it sayd 8th spell eviscarate any skill counts?

[short radish]

evis/shadowstrike

either/or

[deep iron]

tyty

[short radish]

np

[short radish]

the 1-8 is just counters of button presses in dance

[deep iron]

yep ty i opened this picture

and saw how they enumarate

im gonna practice on dummies ty

[short radish]

👍

np

looking at your first 1.5 minutes

1. youre doing flag burst wrong

which youve probably realised by now

[deep iron]

yeah and 2 shadows

[short radish]

2. you're casting too many dances inbetween

sub is a weird spec where you kinda sit on stuff from time to time

[deep iron]

yeah i see the 2 shadow dances + flag

• cds

is really the meta

[short radish]

but general rule of thumb is don't press dance/symbols unless youre 100% sure youre going to cap on both when theres 30 seconds left on flag

[deep iron]

if i throw it on CD like outlaw

it shits all

[short radish]

yah

if it helps you to keep track of things

you kinda do it like this

first is flag

you base all your decisions around that

once it starts to hit around 30-40 seconds you take a second to think before pressing anything

next is sectech. don't bother sending naked sectechs (sectech without dance/symbols)

shadow dance/symbols kinda flows around that

you don't really need to track them

outside the 40 second flag window

because you're mainly looking at sectech outside flag

[deep iron]

i was thinking doing combat log on dummies and check the casts timelines

for starters

[short radish]

and its "can i sectech or not"

if you cant sectech then nothing else matters

yeah do that also

hitting dummies is just good to do in general

helps build muscle memory

[deep iron]

i think i need to learn my opener

a lot

how i fuck flag is clear

and 2 shadow dances

which seems the most basic things

[crystal oasis]

Did they fix the infinite dinars already?

[deep iron]

so question do i throw shadow on cd or i walwys try to charge 2 shadows

so i ahve it ready for flag

?

[short radish]

your damage in flag is like 70% of your total damage

so yeah dont fuck it up

[short radish]

kk so this is fract. ignoring the bingus at the top doing some niche minmax stuff

you'll see that everyone is casting roughly the same amount of dances

inbetween every flag

they might be slightly delayed

like some do it at 0:28 and then 0:42

some other guy does it at 0:27 and 0:59

[deep iron]

but now

[short radish]

but it's still the same amount of dances

[deep iron]

flag is 12s?

[short radish]

flag is 16 i think

8+8

[deep iron]

fuck

so i need to press keys fast

af

[short radish]

yes and no

you have your gcd of 1 second

so you gotta make each one count

your first 4-5 globals are always the same though

opener is

shadowstrike -> flag -> rupture -> dance -> backstab -> sectech

and you throw in symbols/shadowblades somewhere in between your dance and sectech

usually symbols with dance

and then sectech with blades

but people will slightly differ due to muscle memory and it makes no real difference

then everything else after that is just build with shadowstrike and spend with evis

[deep iron]

then i dont touch shadow/blades until flag is again?

[short radish]

correct

sblade and flag is always used together

you want to go into flag/sblade burst with 1.5 dances and 1.3 symbols

[deep iron]

ok any is a bit personal @short radish but what keybinds to where you have?

liek 1 = shadowstrike

[short radish]

dont copy my keybinds

my rupture is f3

but uhhh

shadow strike is 1

evis is 2

backstab is e

sectech is v

dance is t

flag is f

symbols is mouse 4

[deep iron]

https://imgur.com/E4KvJih

on this image

before flag there is an shadowstrike

with stealth?

[short radish]

yeah thats opener from stealth

[deep iron]

how he throws shadow and symbols so fast

[short radish]

symbols + dance is off gcd

but you dont want to press too early

[lucid jackal]

Mouse buttons

[short radish]

like you dont want to cast flag at 0:0100 and then dance at 0:0120

[bleak night]

Gamer chair

[deep iron]

is it a bad idea to macro shadow + symbols?

[short radish]

yes

because you sometimes press them separately

[deep iron]

hides in shame

[short radish]

(the 2nd dance)

because dances lasts 8 seconds

symbols lasts 10 seconds

[deep iron]

https://imgur.com/E4KvJih

how is he doind a backstab

[short radish]

but also gets extended when you backstab/ss

[deep iron]

on shadow?

[short radish]

separate bind

[deep iron]

but ideally that is a shadowstrike right?

[short radish]

no

[lilac stag]

@short radish 💪

[short radish]

show the class

[short radish]

look at the talent premed

[short radish]

see what it does

[deep iron]

yeah but umm sorry so he ruptures with no points?

[short radish]

shadowstrike before the flag

[short radish]

💩

gz though

[deep iron]

okok

[deep iron]

tf is this?

[short radish]

im still using 5x crafted pieces

[deep iron]

ilvl?

[lilac stag]

3 crafted and a heroic trinket 😐

[lilac stag]

yes

[short radish]

i think im gonna do this reclear without using dinar yet

just incase prism drops

so then i can get prism + myth feet this week

[lilac stag]

ye, we cleared heroic (still no dimy trinket) so I bought m boots

dimy trinket is a 70k uppy as heroic. never seen it

[short radish]

our warrior got that from vault this week

so hes in a good mood

[tired dome]

Already have Prism.. better to dinar for Antenna or Araz?

[hushed roost]

damn infinite dinar got patched

lol

[short radish]

i'd pick araz but thats me

[deep iron]

lvl 711, on dummies (AoE) how much damage i shpuld be doing?

[tired dome]

Theyre the same..

[short radish]

then pick whatever you want

[hushed roost]

im goin through that same shit lol

feel like araz control is bettrer though

[short radish]

double onuse is good for the last bosses

but also you dont need it

a certain bingus used prism + antenna

the only important trinket is prism

[bleak night]

good thing i just lost prism to a fucking frost dk

and im still using a champ track one

[short radish]

booo DKs

[bleak night]

on nexus king btw

[tepid trellis]

Sim target dummy style with the target amount you are hitting. Should be doing that

[deep iron]

ty kinhg

5 dummies =

?

[tepid trellis]

5 bosses yes and please swap away From Weekly to latest. Just for the future

[deep iron]

ty

[lilac stag]

from a pure raw upgrade, the heroic trinket was more than the mythic boots, but I'll take the extra stam

[deep iron]

dont kill me but if i can only do 2 shadows every 90s, how they do 4 shadowdances under 1 minute?

[short radish]

you get enough CDR for it

[deep iron]

oh ok so pretty much if i CDR

i use it?

so then how ik when to save it for flag

[short radish]

dont press stuff at 30 seconds

[dense swallow]

how do people avoid the knockback on dimen on sub rogue

https://youtu.be/821CvtFybPE?si=G2dFt_gTTje4kw-S&t=39

[brisk onyx]

focus dk or dh and step him

[dense swallow]

Oh i didnt know u could target ally

nice

[autumn sail]

do i save prism for full stacks or just send it every cd if im using with antenna

[short radish]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[hexed sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[tribal blade]

FINALLY

i didn't have neough time to abuse the dinar bug

sadly

hopefully they remove the extras

[austere garnet]

I’ve been questioning when I use my prism. Thanks for the clarification guys. Makes sense.

What are people running for raid vs m+ trinkets? Antenna and forge or forge and prism?

[tribal blade]

depending on the boss prism+forge is better

from my experience prism and antenna is pretty banger in M+

[upbeat sorrel]

5 hour extended maintenance so people could farm 3 dinars

[austere garnet]

Copy copy. Tyvm. This discord is super helpful. I’m new to sub and a bit overwhelmed. Came from Assas

[upbeat sorrel]

[austere garnet]

Hahahaha

[tribal blade]

i really hope they take em away

the extra ones

because it's bs if everyone who couldn't abuse it are just now behind

[austere garnet]

You know they’ll roll it back

Come on. Bliz can’t do that. Major fuckup tho

[upbeat sorrel]

Dunno if they care that much at end of season but hopefully they do

[shrewd lantern]

idk im really hating pug tanks

because pug tanks like to play extended finger in butt with 1 mob

[austere garnet]

Not wrong

[shrewd lantern]

so forge less ideal

[upbeat sorrel]

I played ass for dimmy today the damage was kinda good and easier to hold CD's

Sub is more fun I think though

And a bit tankier

[austere garnet]

I think it depends on length of fight.

Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what I’m gathering

[shrewd lantern]

the longer you spend holding cds

the worse double on use gets

and obviously over a long period this compiles

[tribal blade]

yeah prism and antenna works really well in M+

[austere garnet]

I saw it tonight. You’re right.

[tribal blade]

you can hold more

[shrewd lantern]

even if you gotta hold 10-20 with antenna prism

you still got the 8k ish agi passive

from antenna

[austere garnet]

True. Fair.

Makes sense.

Ty guys

Subs not easy for me. Starting to get it though. Ty for all you do whispyr. Super helpful

[alpine wraith]

yea forge+prism is really good on last 2 bosses

but otherwise it is on insightful thinking

for m+ you might hold but having 1 ready is always good

[azure thicket]

is seaforium myth track a safer play over antenna in raid?

[alpine wraith]

might be less dps

[austere garnet]

@alpine wraith ok ok. Tyvm much

[azure thicket]

we got loomy tonight and forgeweaver araz seems spooky even if they home in kinda

[shrewd lantern]

its literally a non issue on araz

dimmy is the only fight they're kind of questionable on

[azure thicket]

also i think crippling works on araz adds i think?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but your raid slot is for atro

not a slow

[tepid trellis]

If you Apply crip Yeh

[plush roost]

I think you have enough slows in a raid team

To not need cripplw

Plus sub doesnt apply it very well compared to assa

[tepid trellis]

But you dont do that passively as sub

Needs to Press storm

[shrewd lantern]

which is a dps loss

when those fucks die in like 2 globals

[plush roost]

Storming on araz topkek

[tepid trellis]

Outlaw does it passive with flurry

[shrewd lantern]

i storm like once before the second add set

because i gotta do 2nd soak

[azure thicket]

hmmb

[unkempt drum]

I really expected using dinars to get a 730 weapon to be the move but going from camp prism to heroic prism sims better, this thing is just too good

[shrewd lantern]

just get a wep off loom

[azure thicket]

ye we lacking evoker and only have one hunter right now so improvising

[haughty rose]

damn. no plexus ring is a massive L.

[unkempt drum]

Gotta get a kill on loom first

[shrewd lantern]

plexus ring doesnt sim well for me

idk why

my sims been wanting double vers mast rings

[haughty rose]

that's weird it sims by far the best for me

[azure thicket]

we got to first intermission at least, my sink sponge was not the play for cleaning this screen last night xp

[unkempt drum]

I was gonna take the weapon because there are easier opportunities for HC prism but that's not guaranteed so w/e

[shrewd lantern]

well except on dslice

but thats a fake game mode

so

[upbeat sorrel]

Plexus ring is a ton of crit so if you don't have a lot of crit in other slots/gem/enchant it'll sim high

[eternal abyss]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[void ocean]

i guess this was probably asked many times, but where the fck are mythic items on dinar vendor?

[bleak night]

theres a guy next to him

heroic and mythic vendors are seperate now

[vale pine]

Dinar suggestions:

• best Netherprism - Our absolute best trinket.
• good Forge - Double on use is strong on add/vulnerability fights and in m+.
• goodBoots - Scales with difficulty, you ideally want the mythic variant.
• good Antenna - Best passive trinket to go with prism.

Note: Make sure to use the correct vendor.

[bleak night]

ngl im gonna miss forge

actually a goated trinket

not forge

prism

forge is nothing

[timber basalt]

ok sorry for tilt posting lol but can someone just quickly look over this araz log? I feel like it was very solid but only a 57 parse, ik turbo boost all all that but idk it still feels low
log

[bleak night]

i should learn sub well enough to help with log review

but since i dont i'll just say git gud

as a serious answer though your parse on araz kinda lives or dies based on how well you line up your cds with add spawns

if you record yourself playing that helps a to with doing that correctly

also get a better trinket

[timber basalt]

just snagged myth prism but yea didnt even think about that as a contributing factor

[void ocean]

im not sure what to think of Araz fight now when the adds are excluded

[bleak night]

isnt it just adds in last phase and the tank adds for pylons

[void ocean]

never understood the logic of disabling dps on adds that HAVE TO die, each and every one of them

[bleak night]

so only really mattrers if you killed slow

those adds dont have to die is the point

you could gain genuinely 1m+ dps just by killing slowlyt

and padding on last phase adds

[void ocean]

wait, those adds u get in the last phase r not the same as the p1 adds?

[bleak night]

yeah

different adds

early adds are arcane manifestations

and last phase are void somethings

opnlyt last phase are excluded, not the early onbes

[kind edge]

Guys im a returning player, stoped to play in the mid of s2. Seeing that ppl are are using tornado in m+ builds. What dungeons are “mandatory” using it? Not a big fan of it tbh. Thanks.

[bleak night]

none are really mandatory with tornado afaik

its just some people go tornado and tea

and others go cb

first is slightly better in aoe and the second is slightly better in st

wont make or break your keys

[void ocean]

open the log thread

[ivory vigil]

Can I safely macro forge+prism with SB in M+?

[timber basalt]

I always forget how to do that, whats the command again?

[kind edge]

@bleak night thx for the answer friend.

[mighty citrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q9SKLEoPgKXeLPYQC43HSm boots or forge guys? although i still dont know how to reflect forge in sims

[void ocean]

its log with ! and then link to log

[timber basalt]

ah got it

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VQq2GhYktmbH3yJW?fight=42&type=damage-done

[shy flare]

I have a few questions hopefully some mythic + enjoyers can help me with. I just bought heroic prism with dinar, I have a mythic pacemaker already. For starters is prism+heroic ritual forge better than prism+mythic pacemaker?

Secondly if only using one on use trinket, prism in this case, how often should you actually cast it? I know you only cast it with blades but do I send on every blades or ever others

[keen dome]

I got trousers in my vault. I knew putting that desire in here would manifest it

[fringe lava]

you can sim dungeon slice for the first part

second part you send at 9/18 stacks (send each flag or skip one) depending on pull size and upcoming pulls

[shy flare]

I wasn’t sure if dungeon slice was really a good representation of an actual dungeon. I know it’s the closet we have but I thought maybe personal experience might >

[void ocean]

so on mythic Nexus king, third ghost spawns around the time of the first one charging, is that always true?

[limpid sage]

holy

[karmic harbor]

Why is my antenna sim insane

have this equipped

[fringe lava]

i would trust dslice honestly

[tribal blade]

antenna is really good if you have the miss chance at 0%

[fringe lava]

looking at my own pov it seems that way

[fringe lava]

you could just have low crit as well when ideally you want a bit of it

[karmic harbor]

ic ic

[fringe lava]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[haughty mural]

How much do you sim it usually?

[tribal blade]

i haven't simmed antenna in a while, but the last time i did in dslice it took an absurd amount of miss chance to make antenna worse than forge

[haughty mural]

I haven’t in while aswell.. that’s why I was curious
But I see

[wild vine]

Iirc 20% is kinda fine

[tribal blade]

here's 30% miss chance

i had it set to that to do sims for nexus king

here forge finally beats antenna at 80% miss chance (lol)

i'm sitting at 34% crit atm too, so it's not the sim begging me to get more crit

[haughty mural]

Damn

I need to resim my shit asap

[keen dome]

I shoved mine on 50% miss chance because that's how I roll. Either I have the buff, or I've not got it!

[void ocean]

bro, u mariokarting through the raid, wut

[keen dome]

I let fate decide

[void ocean]

jesus take the wheel

[keen dome]

I've yet to see PlexusM drop a belt

It doesn't exist

[tribal blade]

might make a difference that it's a dslice sim with me running tea

crit gains value when you don't run CB

[kindred dock]

So Araz is better in st and Antenna in m+? 😇

[short radish]

@lilac stag WE RISING

won prism and bought boots with dinner

[lilac stag]

nice!

what's your st sim at now?

[short radish]

lets find out

is it 5min?

[lilac stag]

ye

[maiden oar]

for some reason the last item i need on sub is any myth track wrist to throw in catalyst

idk how its eluded me this long

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1E2uBFv3xQ9UJ2GzZFT8jm

[lilac stag]

craft

[maiden oar]

i have one

catalyst wrist is the last thing

[short radish]

today has been a good day for loot

[maiden oar]

it likes it more bc the stats arent 50/50

[lilac stag]

huge for sub. now do assa

[short radish]

[karmic harbor]

are we gaming

(i need 5 more gilded to upgrade oh and i cba tbh)

[tribal blade]

niiiiice

i bought prism with dinner, the nightmare is over

[lilac stag]

i went boots, I still need dimy trinket (heroic) oof

[tribal blade]

oh are you set on trinkets already? very nice

[lilac stag]

nah just dimy heroic and was highest upgrade

boots more stam

so went mythic boots

[tribal blade]

ahhh ok

yeah looks like boots will be my next dinar

it's 0.1% more than forge

and it's a mandatory slot like prism

[lilac stag]

we got through platform last night with 18 alive going into it

[tribal blade]

nice!

my guild just got to 1st platform on dim for the first time today

[lilac stag]

our rogue went assa

on NK

[tribal blade]

lol naturally

[lilac stag]

it

s that time

[tribal blade]

the time sin starts taking over?

yeah happens every time

[lilac stag]

war hits 6.3 if that stupid heroic trinket would drop

[tribal blade]

oh sin is also playing forge+prism? interesting

i imagine they do the exact same thing as sub

[lilac stag]

they were just slow to the 2x party

[short radish]

yeah all i need now is just antenna and im kinda chilling

[tribal blade]

that's the one piece of loot luck i had

got antenna with avoidance super early on

[lilac stag]

i still need to upgrade rogue items.

servers came up so late only had time for war

[solid lotus]

can i give you 69g to help me with m dimmy tech

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FX3g68rVY2RGfQPv?fight=42

(cooldown timings)

[lilac stag]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/dimensius-the-alldevouring

[short radish]

beg for autumn

oh wait dimmy

[solid lotus]

i get an autumn between first and second platform

[short radish]

uhhhhh

[solid lotus]

I was more just looking for someone to tell me if im doing something wrong instead of what others are doing right haha

it cost me 10k gold

[short radish]

cloak the first circle on p2 or something

[lilac stag]

you're not doing what the people on lorrgs are doing. ;p

[short radish]

while youre in cds

[lilac stag]

but you can actually turn on defensive usage in lorrgs

look at where they toss an extra dance etc

learning how to interpret that is kinda a good skill to develop

vs trusting an Aussie know for accurate information on the interwebs

[short radish]

bro you say that but frostmourne has a stupid amount of really fucking good subrogues

[lilac stag]

how many go assa this reset ;p

you're the only aussie sub for me

[void ocean]

u r joking?

[keen dome]

I wish

Seven kills and it's not dropped a belt once

[void ocean]

i think at some point we had like 2-3 at the same time

[short radish]

duno but there's too many good ones on prog

[solid lotus]

didnt ask

[keen dome]

Well that's where they went then

[void ocean]

yea, have it for my assa

for sub i crafted

[keen dome]

It's like 10k more than crafted for me so eh, I'll craft

[void ocean]

i needed 2nd embelishment

[spring beacon]

does someone know if u can sim prism with more than 0 stacks from the beginning?

[lilac stag]

AH belts are cheap

[keen dome]

AH belts are like 5k dif to a crafted for me

250k versus 10k

[proper stone]

When using prism/forge - forge is obvs used first correct?? Feels clunky and like I’m holding cds abit on next flag/blades window?

[wispy crystal]

Hi all currently have

717 heroic netherprism
730 lily

Should I use dinar to buy the 730 Netherprism or 730 Araz. (Assuming I can choose one at the moment)

[short radish]

[short radish]

yes

[lilac stag]

i can't imagine buying Araz over Prism for sub but

people gonna people i suppose

[proper stone]

Should it be clunky, or are you holding prism for like 20stacks for your next flag/blades cd window?

[lilac stag]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[wispy crystal]

730 prism over heroic 717 prism is a pretty darn big upgrade ya?

When simming do I sim patchwerk for raid ?

Fights like Araz, Soulbinder

[void ocean]

does hc one have leech?

[wispy crystal]

What option do I usually choose

[void ocean]

Patchwerk is fine

[wispy crystal]

No don't have. Assuming both same

[wispy crystal]

Alright I'll sim patchwerk

[void ocean]

then its mythic

(i was joking btw, in both cases it is a big upgrade)

[wispy crystal]

ahhh okay, provided we kill Fractillus this week

ill save Dinars then

[void ocean]

yea, Frac is a free kill

[lilac stag]

def wait if you’re getting to frac

[plain creek]

why is forge simming so badly?

[lilac stag]

in regards to what?

[wispy crystal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6azuXaSNpc2o9MVx5HiAz

Araz is such a small DPS increase for me at 0.3% and Antenna is actually a DPS loss WITHOUT 730 Netherprism

Netherprism 717 to 730 gives the biggest upgrade so far

hoped I simmed this right.

seems like save Dinar to get Netherprism when Fractillus dies this week then

[lilac stag]

Sim latest instead of “weekly” otherwise ✅

[plain creek]

its literally dmg loss over sigil

[void ocean]

sigil

[hazy breach]

If its like 2% worse than sigil then its probably droptimizer having a stroke

Sometimes does that with double on-use

[lilac stag]

I love me some out of context complaints. Post a sim.

[haughty mural]

Upgrade your gear first

[keen dome]

I have!

(Now, after I did that raid)

[haughty mural]

Then warcraftlogs is not updated

Scusi

[keen dome]

Ye

[haughty mural]

(Im not a stalker obviously)

[keen dome]

[lilac stag]

hunter not a stalker

[keen dome]

I need to craft a belt but I imagine I'm gonna end around 726 or something

Alas, my Prism will drag me down

And heroic boots

[void ocean]

just get mythic prism, lol

[keen dome]

effort

[haughty mural]

[plain creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9dfBKcUZKSc2hoFEZrb6V1
in a regular sim its neutral

[spring beacon]

can u sim nether prism with full stacks?

[lilac stag]

You do realize that it’s not a bad trinket right? Dbl on use is taking advantage of cd stacking be it in keys or raid

[plain creek]

idk why ure so offended

i do know its not a bad trinket

top parses are using it

[lilac stag]

Why are you projecting?

[plain creek]

but just wondering

why it sims badly

[lilac stag]

It doesn’t. lol

[shrewd lantern]

it literally sims fine

but its not some giga op trinket

in a no amps patchwerk scenario

[haughty mural]

How does it sim badly ?

[lilac stag]

bruh wants a 60k uppy at same ilvl

When sub is literally get prism + whatever

[plain creek]

hmmmmmm

ill just get antenna out of vault

:3

[shrewd lantern]

my highest actual sim is prism antenna

[plain creek]

ye that

[shrewd lantern]

but sims dont reflect actual bosses

[lilac stag]

chasing balls over execute trinket is def a choice

[haughty rose]

is the difference between a 97 and a 100 log on Frac simply RNG? Assuming i use BIS and checked "toggle ranking by ilv or key"

[alpine wraith]

yea kill time is also important

you want the boss to die kind as soon as your cds end

[meager coyote]

weird question, I know the answer is sim yourself but I'm seeing some weird results, is the green gem not worth it?

[lilac stag]

one should be

take all the gems out of your gear. Force 4 colors. Should be a dps increase over not.

[keen dome]

Wonder how I fix the dinar vendor not letting me buy DB stuff..

Other thna timing another 12

[lilac stag]

are you missing a 12 in time?

[void ocean]

wait, did they separate it now?

its not "aall 12s" anymore

[lilac stag]

psure it's always been time all 12s

[keen dome]

I have all of them except priory and DB on the vendor

and I have everything but priory on 13

[void ocean]

im confused

[keen dome]

[haughty mural]

[void ocean]

was it season 3 when u timed it

😄

[keen dome]

YES

Maybe

Where are we now, 2028?

[void ocean]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i want to kil looom mythic on my alt

goddamn

[keen dome]

Haha

[void ocean]

i tho killing soulbinder will allow me to take antenna

[lilac stag]

Did you actually time it or it just completed

[void ocean]

loom?

[lilac stag]

I was missing a 13 that I thought I had timed

Missed it by 3 seconds

[lilac stag]

No. You have to actually kill the boss. It just gets it in loot.

[haughty mural]

Or maybe it is limited to one ? Since you already got that one on myth track

[keen dome]

ye, I've timed it on 13.

[haughty mural]

[haughty mural]

Dont ask me how I know

[keen dome]

maybe, I do also have priory trinket

oh man I bet that's it

but I don't have the sword / mace..

[crystal bone]

dawnbreaker is fucked this season, doesnt even surprise me in the slightest lol

[lilac stag]

ez. Delete priory trinket and try again.

[keen dome]

Yeah let's test

nope.

[crystal bone]

my group dc'd yesterday and it put us in an infinite dome

[keen dome]

It's def just fucked

[crystal bone]

we couldn't leave the key

the key start dome

[keen dome]

Guess I'll run a +12 DB this week at some point 'cos I want to buy that dagger haha

[lilac stag]

buy the loom dagger?

[haughty mural]

It why though

[keen dome]

can't, not killed loom

[lilac stag]

what

[haughty mural]

As in why would you want to buy it

[keen dome]

identical daggers is nice on the character sheet and legit nothing else to buy

[lilac stag]

why are you not 3/8 via pugs

[keen dome]

[void ocean]

i have 730 cursed stone idol on my alt and it allows me to buy another one

[keen dome]

'cos I got it via vault and effort

[lilac stag]

i r disappointment.

[keen dome]

also Loom is a huge pain to pug and it just becomes WA issues

[haughty mural]

I pugged loom the other week on my „alt“

[keen dome]

Maybe i'll try next week but the few times I've tried, it's just been 30+ minutes of trying to get WA's working

Or you do a pull then someone leaves and it's gg.

[haughty mural]

You overthink pillars in pugs a bit with this gear state me thinks

What about araz pugs btw ?

[void ocean]

lol

[haughty mural]

How are those right now

[keen dome]

Possibly, yeah. I'll give it a go next week then since I have the iLevel. I know people can pug Araz but it's rare

There's a few groups doing 6/8M but they're typically CE alt groups or extremely strict requirements

[void ocean]

strict in terms of gold u have to pay them

[keen dome]

Haha

Nah, needing a character with kills on it already

getting two loom daggers would be cool, though

[void ocean]

im just gonna keep fishing in the vault

[keen dome]

ye

Crit/versa doesn't sim too much worse for me anyway

[void ocean]

good thing is i dont need it right away and for the next 4 weeks it will probably show up if i keep killing first 2

meaning antenna

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

Expansion is at a point for me where it's pretty w/e anyway, I'll just go for iLevel on MH and OH 'cos it looks symmetrically nice

[void ocean]

lmao

[keen dome]

ugly

pretty

[void ocean]

as sub i have loom dagger as oh, but its not yet 730

leaving that for later

[haughty mural]

Got two of em and dont want it

[keen dome]

rip

[haughty mural]

Could use some crit/vers on my oh

[keen dome]

I got the fist from Soulbinder today so that's an outlaw weapon, at least

and it looks cool

[lilac stag]

Just replace the icon in the game files.

[pastel rampart]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[celest drum]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[pastel rampart]

finality working with coup or nah?

[hazy breach]

Kinda but not really

[pastel rampart]

🤔

[hazy breach]

Coup is 3 hits, 25%/25%/50% (at 0, 0.4 and 0.9s after casting)

If you have finality up when you press it, you buff only the first hit (by 15 or 30%)

If you dont have finality up when you press it, you buff only the second hit

[pastel rampart]

i seeeee

[haughty mural]

why do i even do vaults

wrong week for a myth track lily

[crystal bone]

a filled vault gives u the needed copium to get by until next week

[mental shore]

Bro the antenna mythic is insane wtf

[lilac stag]

Time to swap to

[serene notch]

I really do hate that being a M+ Andy excludes you from myth track trinkets, even this late in the season and with the dinar system. So jealous of everyone’s toons 🙁

….cant believe im considering a frac and Araz kill carry….wonder what I would have to pay

[alpine wraith]

if you were a m+ andy you would have 9 million gold from carries to spend on a M boost

[haughty mural]

[alpine wraith]

same as the M raid andies do to flex their "friends" and get title

[lilac stag]

📈 🚀

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Envenom Jesus gifted you a lily.

@keen dome logged on rogue to check vendor, good news is I can buy the dagger you wanted. bad news is... none of my other keys count?

[keen dome]

lmao, wild

What a funny, weird bug

[lilac stag]

kinda funny

[keen dome]

I bet it's the returning dungeons cuasing issues

[lilac stag]

checking woyer

I can buy everything except priory lol

[azure mauve]

good

who honestly wants to do that place again

[chrome fern]

if you do a 12 from now, it updates the availability

egg is on our face for pushing for resilient on alts already

[vocal lantern]

is the darkmoon symbiosis embellishment any good for sub

[tired dome]

Which is the best trinket to pair with Prism? Forge, Antenna, or Lily?

[vale pine]

wdym

you either use:

• prism + forge
• prism + antenna
  or the best you have to pair with prism

[opal mantle]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[shy flare]

What’s the best/fastest way to farm valor stones?

They’re lacking behind my crests

[crystal bone]

• steal from alts since they are transferrable now
• radiant echo memories
• wq's with valorstone reward
• dungeons

[hazy breach]

Basically steal from your alts or just play the game

[eager locust]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry oriole]

Hey guys, I’ve got a Prism HC and a Mythic Antenna.
Do you think I should go for the Prism Mythic or the Forge Mythic? I’m kinda torn :C
I already tried to drop the Forge HC but no luck so far. Any advice? Thx ❤️

P.S. I’ve already simmed it ,the Prism comes out as about a 1% upgrade, while the Forge is basically equal to the Antenna.

[crystal bone]

u answered ur own question there

[rigid sparrow]

!plater

[mighty citrus]

Depends on your situation. If you progress last two bosses I might consider forge tbh

But surely there is argument for prism as well

[azure thicket]

also lfr is worth some stones

also the misc crests eventually add up to runed>gilded path so yea

[tired dome]

I mean to purchase with dinars, sorry, which should I choose

[lilac stag]

you want mythic prism. Everything else is interchangeable.

[olive jacinth]

what miss % we sim antenna?

[lilac stag]

Depends what boss. I think most do around 30 for NK / Dimey

[olive jacinth]

Im only at 4/8.

[azure thicket]

i didn't realize that it's 2k more crit than myth seaforium even if duration is limited

only thing is knowing if you grabbed it sometimes tbh

[wintry oriole]

Thanks for the reply! I’m on the last two bosses, that’s why I was asking, it feels like there are situations where the Forge can have a bigger impact

[fossil forge]

ello lads

what does yall stat distribution look like after turboboost

[void ocean]

a bit of everything, more of one thing, less of the other...

[scenic plover]

if you got those unthetered coins from karesh you can buy valorstone boxes there

[barren haven]

yoyo dear m+ sub rogues,

so with dinar available and the option to buy a prism, i simmed it for 1 target 2 & 3 min. boss fights as well as 3 targets 2 & 3 mins boss fights. i am currently running lily (yes, laugh at me) and seaforium.

(for explanation - i like to compare these results with dslice. I know that most of the time we have pure single target fights or "hectic add cleave funnel thingy situations")

and now im curious if i should buy one now or maybe in 2 weeks, because i am also missing a myth track mainhand.

i need a second option on the following sim results:
1 target 2 & 3 minutes are around -1.5% with prism and seaforium.
3 targets 2 & 3 mintues are around -1.5% with prism and seaforium as well.
dslice is a +4% with this comb.

(also 2 times on use is a minus).

now my question for opinions: is this a sim trap and/or should i trust dslice that much?

[hazy breach]

A trinket that doesnt do anything on pull isnt gonna be good in a 2 minute sim

(part of why theyre not representative at all for m+)

[barren haven]

so then i understand that prism stacks are per fight and aren't withtaken after trash and such?

[astral axle]

stacks roll from pack to pack in m+ as long as you don't die

or use the trinket of course

[barren haven]

okay ... so i should've 8 stacks+ most of the time when we go from trash into boss

wich makes it quite valuable tho

[keen trellis]

Anyone knows how big the dps difference for the last 2 raid bosses is when using double on use vs prism+antenna?

[hazy breach]

Basically nothing

[keen trellis]

Thanks!

[shy flare]

I’m completely in the dark on what that is but I’m interested 🧐

[barren haven]

would u guys recommend picking a prism or the myth track main hand now is my question basically? ... i can't make my mind up

[barren haven]

i mean do i loose the simmed 3% realistically

sorry for bothering i'm a min/max victim

[crystal bone]

#subtlety message

[uneven scarab]

myth main hand

would be my choice, big passive upgrade and 0 thought needed

[barren haven]

thats enough confirmation for me

thanks as always

fam

my only overthinking is that a weapon as well as myth track seaforium can be in vault the next 2 weeks. prism most likely not since i dodge raiding most of the time

[hazy breach]

Like sub the dinars are simple, if you dont have prism

Buy prism

[astral axle]

I mean kinda goin off what eleem said you might have different results if you don't do the 2m sims. Because they aren't representing what prism does

[uneven scarab]

yeah if you dont have a prism thats def focus

[hazy breach]

If you do a 2 min sim with prism maxxed on pull its BY FAR the best trinket

Like the on-use on forge is about as strong as 8 stacks of prism

So 18 stacks is quite a lot stronger

[barren haven]

what about lily in comparison?

[hazy breach]

Well lily has agility

As passive

[graceful osprey]

Is using max stack prisim pre pull a thing?

[hazy breach]

So the on-use on lily stinky

[hazy breach]

Not in raid no

[graceful osprey]

Ahh so the buff does get reset in raid or something even if you press it pre pull and pull boss

[barren haven]

but it outdoes 8 stacks prism?

[hazy breach]

No lmao

[barren haven]

ok

thats wild

[uneven scarab]

No on use comes even remotely close, when all our damage is in cd’s the on use that focuses all that in a short window is going to best

[crystal bone]

lily is like 3-4 stack prism

[uneven scarab]

Ya

[barren haven]

but most of the time, if we play it "perfectly" we would go with 8 stacks into boss, because we use shadowblades as often as possible, right?

[uneven scarab]

You dont use prism with every blades

you can choose to hold it

[hazy breach]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[barren haven]

but we would prefer to use it on big pulls

[barren haven]

Long story short. We can f*ck up Prism in M+, but really, with a little common sense, it blasts more than anything else.

right?

[uneven scarab]

its the clear winner yes

[shrewd lantern]

if you dont wanna use your brain macro it to blades

[haughty rose]

this reset is a bad time to be a spec with little utility. i get insta declined on every 12 with 722 ilv and 3,2k rio lmao

[warm marlin]

Lot of people farming crests

Posted a group last night and we had multiple 728+ 3500+ people apply in seconds

[scenic plover]

post own key for 12s right now

free crest boosts

[final granite]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[visual widget]

is there an easy way to sim all the items offered for the dinars versus my currently equipped stuff?

[alpine wraith]

you can add items with 730 ilvl in top gear

[shrewd lantern]

Well you’re in q with people who are over 725 so it checks out

[scenic plover]

you could do a dungeon and raid droptimizer

and just look at the numbers

[shrewd lantern]

Just add the 4-5 items worth a dinar to topgear

Most the shit is mid

[scenic plover]

you are mid, i got my mythic dagger finally

[shrewd lantern]

boots prism araz antenna are really the only 4 that matter

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah dropped i guess

you only need 1 thankfully

[scenic plover]

gear kinda juicy now

[shrewd lantern]

Wtf are the shoes

[scenic plover]

my new nike airs

wdym

[shrewd lantern]

they dont match

also logic omega eww

[scenic plover]

well its not set but imo it does fit

[warm marlin]

Set shoulders are a bit unfortunate

6% haste

[scenic plover]

they were the offset shoulders

but i didnt have anything else to convert

[warm marlin]

Tragic

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[last gate]

i see progress

but

roast me please

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kTjLbx8gzGNyJRBd?fight=21&type=damage-done

PLEASE

!log

roast me here then

[amber cargo]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

General Gist of the Aoe rotation

• At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
• At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
• Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).

[amber cargo]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[warm marlin]

I thought that was your area of expertise, lashga

[bleak night]

why is lashga referring to himself in the third person

[vale pine]

can you stop spam pinging me

i need to read what was written

[warm marlin]

I don’t have sympathy for the guy ban evading for the 4th time, who was originally banned for homophobia

[tepid trellis]

!ban @glad rampart ban evading (lashga)

[vale pine]

man

[pure jay]

I had to craft legs because I got stuck with heroic ones ;_;

[vale pine]

i read the discusion 3 times

and i still have no clue whats racist

i feel like i missed a lot of context

[pure jay]

huuuuh

[tepid trellis]

nothing was

[vale pine]

the guy stealthi banned mentioned racism 3 times

i just tried to understand the context

[tepid trellis]

only thing ryld did was asking him if it wasent his expertise to buy boosts

[vale pine]

ye

[tepid trellis]

nothing racist about that lol

(which he btw did last season)

buying boosts that is

or was it season 1

cant remember

[vale pine]

i mean, even tho thats looked down on

if someone wants to do that,

[tepid trellis]

the issue was not buying them

it was him coming in and flaunting his IO

after doing it

[azure thicket]

honestly antenna is cute

cute!

[tepid trellis]

that was the issue people had

[final wasp]

Buying boosts and claiming he plays legit

[vale pine]

haha

koffing boost me

so i can get rank 1 rogue r.io

[uneven scarab]

[olive jacinth]

Anyone got some tips for soul hunters? Do we use fok when all 3 are stacked instead of backstab? Keep rupture up on all?

[bleak night]

[uneven scarab]

the mini loom u get on ur head from antenna is bis

[azure thicket]

i thought that was a druid thing lmao

[uneven scarab]

no look at ur character next time u proc it

u get a mini loom on ur head

[bleak night]

ye its sick

[warm marlin]

i might be a bit overly antagonistic but that was crazy to post after what happened in s1

[uneven scarab]

i missed the post

[keen dome]

I love my little moth friend

[uneven scarab]

goes so hard

[visual widget]

With cold blood is secret technique always preferable over dispatch or mega dispatch?

[wet echo]

we don't have dispatch on sub

but yes, it's preferable with ST over coup

[visual widget]

Sorry that’s what I meant

Thanks

[haughty rose]

check the dates of those achievments. how tf does that make sense lmao. just got the upper achievement after completing a +12 HoA even tho i had resil 14 and a few 15 timed already

[keen dome]

Because they only just went active in S3, iirc

[rose burrow]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[tepid trellis]

u made him trip up

so its a W in my book

i did know it was him but i needed proof

[bleak night]

[swift cloak]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[leaden prairie]

10th account or what

[tepid trellis]

think that was 4th time

[leaden prairie]

only

no way

[hazy breach]

Dimmy is peak cringe now

Holy

[warm marlin]

yep

[hazy breach]

I just took the L and didnt get any damage in amp and just soloed pargoth instead

[warm marlin]

did that one pull and got crucified for my p3 damage

now i just cd arto (when they come up) and be really sad on pargoth

[hazy breach]

We had too much damage

Couldnt send on first platform

[warm marlin]

i had to do flag insta cb sectec

no rupture

no time

[haughty rose]

that's even weirder then because it wasn't my first dungeon i completed today and i def didn't complete every single one

[hazy breach]

Idk boss is at 10% after winds when my flag comes up, ig i could send a few seconds earlier by not having the orbs in p1

[warm marlin]

i press flag while pulling people down

def dropping a global/inting cds a bit

[hazy breach]

Idk shit blows either way

[warm marlin]

but oh well

ye real cringe

[keen dome]

They were weird in S2, too.

[warm marlin]

i sent forge with a singular dance when first adds spawned on pargoth

huge trinket value

[graceful rock]

Yeah I might just dance on p2 2nd island

[vale pine]

[frank narwhal]

I have mythic Antenna and heroic Prism/Forge, and now I can choose either mythic Prism or Forge from dinars. Which setup would you guys pick?

M Antenna + M Prism

H Forge + M Prism

M Forge + H Prism

[graceful rock]

Probably prism

[vale pine]

prism very likely ye

[frank narwhal]

It does sim somewhat better, I'm just not very fond of Antenna orb chasing

But if I take M Prism, would you stick with M Antenna or just put in HC Forge?

[hazy breach]

I sent my entire 18 prism stacks on pargot and did almost 19% of my raids damage on the platform and then did nothing in p3

[uneven scarab]

[sullen hare]

[warm marlin]

I lost to our prot warr on pargoth

we have double arcane double bm tho

who needs pargoth damage

[shrewd lantern]

forge is not all people hype it up to be

[uneven scarab]

nah that thing has actually killed me before fuck forge

[vale pine]

its good on add fights

but antenna is not that much worse/diffrent

[hazy breach]

The strat is probably to play assa and use deathmark every 60s

Just get lucky 4head

[warm marlin]

does seem that way

[bleak night]

dude

the r1 assa parse on fract is criminal

dude played forge so he could double proc fatebound bug and use 3 deathmarks in 3 minutes

cd bug is so dumb

glad they fixed that weeks ago

oh someone beat him, gg

[hushed roost]

is thata bug im still seeing new parses with 60s deathmarks

[scenic plover]

is there a way to get my blades in p3 dimmy dmg amp when i have to collect orbs for plattform 1 and 2?

best pull we had with good timings i had 12s cd when damage amp started

[left ledge]

no

[bleak night]

it is still a bug yes

[left ledge]

you shouldnt be doing orbs as a rogue

[bleak night]

it was a joke because they said weeks ago in patch notes they fixed it

when they in fact did not

[left ledge]

if you're doing orbs you're going to absolutely need autumn

[hazy breach]

Idk even autumn isnt gonna be enough anymore

Shits fucked

[left ledge]

well im assuming they're progging

so they're prob getting second winds

[left ledge]

yeah we did one week no hold

and instantly went back to holding

we just dont hold p1

but we hold on platforms

no hold is just turbo dogshit

[hazy breach]

Idk cant be holding for 60s in p1 and 30s every platform

[left ledge]

we didnt hold p1

just sent

but it all depends on your comp and when you're pushing p1. not holding on platforms just makes everything feel different and so much worse

[vagrant sinew]

pickup 1-2 less orbs

[left ledge]

our first no hold attempt, my cds came up 30 sec into platform 1 so i couldnt send there

sent on platform 2 insta and missed some amp

and i think on that one we skipped a core too

[warm marlin]

i mean you have so much damage

you dont need to hold

everything dies way before the enrage

p3 was 4% hp coming out of 2nd devour

we only did 3 gravities

everyone in the guild holds on pargoth except like mages and we killed 10s before winds

[fathom canyon]

guys, i have a question about unseen blade. For example we doing 4 pulls, first pull on opener rotation every time going into coup de grace as first ability after sectec, and sometimes if it is not first pull it goes into evics without proc of cop de grace, why it so?

[scenic plover]

so is it a good idea to now go and swap me away from doing orbs for my cds in amp?