ornate drum
I'm currently 3.2K on my main, just wanting to swap back to rogue since queue simulator is ass for monk atm, so trying to find some more optimization angles.
I'm at least competiting with people that are around that range, so I might be overthinking what I'm trying to learn, but at the same time, I do know that discord as a resource is a lot of value
astral axle
i mean it is the difference between recitation of facts and applying knowledge to novel scenarios, right?
ornate drum
This is actually what I was looking for
vale pine
the 2nd thing is trinkets
ornate drum
i mean it is the difference between recitation of facts and applying knowledge t...
Definitely more of the idea of seeing the knowledge over a scenario kinda thing
vale pine
idk which you have to your exposal
ornate drum
the 2nd thing is trinkets
I have forge, and hoping for prism this week.
vale pine
but trinkets are a bit complicated this season
basically, most trinkets have some special benefit
ornate drum
yeah.. I see double on-use, so understanding that was more of a future me problem. 😅
mint maple
Hey. I am doing like shit in Araz, I dont know why. How are you dealing with that fight?
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
open coral
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
you often will end up deciding where to hold your stacks of prism and where not depending on the dungeon
ornate drum
__**Unyielding Netherprism**__
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades...
This is incredibly helpful
slate lantern
Hey. I am doing like shit in Araz, I dont know why. How are you dealing with tha...
are you casting flag for the first set of adds not on pull?
vale pine
a big pull, you migth want 18 stacks of prism
and you use a combat pot
your other guild members will have their chin drop
if they look at details
mint maple
are you casting flag for the first set of adds not on pull?
Yep, my dps usually drops in the 2nd set of adds. I am pretty sure I am doing something wrong when adds spawn
ornate drum
a big pull, you migth want 18 stacks of prism
Appreciate the help @vale pine .
This is more of what I was looking for.
vale pine
always happy to discuss things 🙂
ornate drum
I think my feedback for the guides on WoWhead then would be to include CD management thing you sent early.
The offensive CDs section is great, but seeing the impact together, is also important imo.
Also, I might've not seen it, but the trinket command there would be amazing.
vale pine
👍
gritty kite
I have seen videos where ppl use Shadow Dance without caring for Flagelation cd. Is ok to delay Flagelation for bigger pulls?
vale pine
its basically like this
you want to have 1.5 charges of shadow dance for your flagellation
so 1 charge and 30 sec of shadow dance
versed swift
What's the trade off between the two on use setup prism forge vs prism antenna? Like strictly from a throughput angle
vale pine
which means, you don't want to use dance too agressive before the cooldown
you farm dance back a bit faster in aoe tho
gritty kite
Do you have any tips how can I improve this? I am losing damage sitting on 2 dances for flag :S
Or is just exp?
vale pine
you sometimes sit, but many times its because you did not send it agressive enough
its experience for sure
you also often spread rupture before sending cooldowns while the tank is gathering
gritty kite
yes I am spreading ruptures
but Some pulls im doing like 2 mio dps and sitting waiting for flag to come
I will watch the 1.5 charges
ty for the input
night hawk
Is sub a lot stronger than Sin or just slightly?
vale pine
ascendent is good if you play both sub/sin
dusk/dawn is good in aoe
focus lense is always good
diffrence between the embellishments is super small, they all suck
lucid jackal
Im tryna figure out what to do super optimal minmax because like
chrome fern
i pulled up the arcane mage wowhead, and they have a section i think that would be really beneficial for all specs, in that they have a simplified rotation to just get by
zinc venture
Is sub a lot stronger than Sin or just slightly?
I feel like they're fairly even but sin has a lower skill floor and ceiling while sub's are higher
lucid jackal
I have double mythic dagger now, and theres no good neck in the game, other than via crafting/getting lucky vault
warm marlin
Triple crafted item a bit unfortunate
lucid jackal
I did 3x crafted last szn
slate lantern
Theres no neck in the game
mommys milker medallion
lucid jackal
mommys milker medallion
My vaults are cursed so I'm not getting it
warm marlin
Idk lens feels bad because of 0 aoe value
And at least last season the threads simmed higher with staying at high hp a lot in farm
lucid jackal
is it rlly a 3 craft szn
cursive spear
what is the miss chance supposed to be for antenna sims?
lucid jackal
15-20
warm marlin
2x lens on fract/plexus/loom 3x craft on the rest 
Duplicate crafts in every relevant slot
desert rover
are there known reasons why a Coldblood macro would not work at all?
lucid jackal
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
lucid jackal
or, youdont have it on ur stealth bar
desert rover
man
vale pine
happened to a lot
crafting is not giving you a warning for whatever reason
so people did send their crafting orders for int weapons
slate lantern
crafting is not giving you a warning for whatever reason
we don't have the technology
feral knot
can I stack prism before boss?
slate lantern
if(weapon == rogue.unusable) !craft
vale pine
can I stack prism before boss?
not in raids
feral knot
i see
zinc venture
why do I sometimes see people using evasion in their opener?
slate lantern
why do I sometimes see people using evasion in their opener?
elu damage reduction prolly
vale pine
if(weapon == rogue.unusable) !craft
if(main stat is no int) message alert 'confirm dialog': "YOU RLY WANT TO CRAFT A INT WEAPON?"
something like that
i assume its not a rogue only problem
if you are in loot council
you will notice just how many people click need on agility or int weapons when its not their main stat
vale pine
thats probably a answer you don't like
but neither is the best option
if you want to measure yourself against others, you need to take overall
but if you want to improve you need to look at your log analytical
and see what mistakes you made and what you can improve on
vale pine
and a good way to find mistakes is also to look what others do
this website gives you a good visualization for cooldown usage of the top logs
brave moth
Do I use Coup de Grace procs ONLY with Shadow Dance in raid ? That is what I am figuring out from logs
vale pine
you can look at where people send cooldowns and try to assume why
i give one example to make it clear
rancid crow
this website gives you a good visualization for cooldown usage of the top logs
ty, I book marked it.
vale pine
soulbinder is a early boss so its fairly trivial in terms of requirement
you don't need to play it perfect to beat the fight and there is actually no need to
rancid crow
these parse rankings are by your individual performance? Or the groups kill time?
vale pine
but if you want to, you might look at the rankings
you tick on shadow dance, because thats an important buff you want to see when its used
and then you zoom in a bit
tired dome
Outside of Flag burst rotation, is it good to Supercharge 4pc Coup De Grace and use a Secret Tech without a supercharged cp?
plain void
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
vale pine
and you see, most of the top logs send a shadow dance initially
but delay their frist flagellation cast
if you think of the fight layout you quickly realize, thats because the adds spawn there
rancid crow
and how do I switch my log to mirror that view?
so I can compare when my cds were going off
hazy breach
Outside of Flag burst rotation, is it good to Supercharge 4pc Coup De Grace and ...
No, always supercharge sectech
zinc venture
You can upload your log to lorrgs and it'll show it like that
rancid crow
oh, great, ty
vale pine
this example is something funnily i had a talk with a raidleader
who reached out to me
and asked why the performance between both of their rogues did differ
tired dome
No, always supercharge sectech
Okay, so dont really worry about if Coup De Grace is ever supercharged?
vale pine
and one of them did hold cooldowns for adds, the other didn't
hazy breach
Coup gets the same benefit from supercharging as eviscerate does
vale pine
funnily enough neither of them did play the fight correct
lethal yew
If you're bad at sub like me, I will import those logs into MRT to get a rough idea of when to use my CDs in raid
zinc venture
If you're bad at sub like me, I will import those logs into MRT to get a rough i...
same
hazy breach
Sectech is significantly ahead of it in terms of damage per combo point
vale pine
which ended up in me explaining the fight and why diffrences are like they are on the logs, and how many of it just came down to who did pad on adds better
i think many things in wow are more obviouse once you discuss it and spend more time trying to understand
craggy sentinel
probably a dumb question, at the start of an encounter, are the stacks of the prism would be resetted? I mean, can i charge the trinket before a boss fight?
slate lantern
probably a dumb question, at the start of an encounter, are the stacks of the pr...
not in raid no
hazy breach
You cannot have stacks on pull no
vale pine
probably a dumb question, at the start of an encounter, are the stacks of the pr...
what resets:
craggy sentinel
oook, thank you all
signal moth
what is the weakaura or addon that shows mobs next ability they are going to cast and the timer for it?
rancid crow
it looks like my cooldowns generally line up with where they should. I think I must be misunderstanding something lol cuz I parsed low by ilvl
lucid jackal
ilvl parses are very low sample size
And where ur ilvl is, matters a lot
U can be 711 with max ilvl weapons
rancid crow
I'm 715 rn
lucid jackal
and u can be 711 with just junk
slate lantern
heres my stats at the moment
but more like 715 ilvl of someone without a netherprism vs 715 ilvl of someone with a netherprism will produce very different results
so ilvl parses are generally not something you should concern yourself with too much
rancid crow
so ilvl parses are generally not something you should concern yourself with too ...
thats great news lol. I was low key beating myself up for it.
I didn't know that netherprism made that big of a difference lol.
either way, I did spot some areas of improvement, so I came out a better rogue anyhow. Thanks guys
tired dome
You never really get to send Prism with full stacks if its your only on-use trinket then, just macro it into Blades?
swift tinsel
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
swift tinsel
if there's a reason to hold for more stacks, you can
slate lantern
You never really get to send Prism with full stacks if its your only on-use trin...
it depends, it can be worth to hold and send a non trinket cd window to save for damage amps or big pulls
tired dome
Guess that makes sense
slate lantern
just another knowledge check for the thinking mans spec
slate lantern
burnt ridge
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
honest basin
burnt ridge
Rerolling from assassination here.
What skills can i use macroed, for exemple, can i use secret technique with cold blood?
brave harbor
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
What skills can i use macroed, for exemple, can i use secret technique with cold...
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
vale pine
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
swift tinsel
What skills can i use macroed, for exemple, can i use secret technique with cold...
if you have a separate bind for secret technique
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
vale pine
especially to optimize the use based on boss
slate lantern
even tho you might want to have trinkets seperated
Two sectec binds, two shadow blades binds, we got doubles of everything in here!
burnt ridge
ok, so, of course every skill with its own button is optimal, but no skills togheter at all?
swift tinsel
not really
swift tinsel
things are used differently so macros don't really help much
tired dome
Makes me miss the simple days of Combat rogue lol
swift tinsel
probs have just as many as sin which you're coming from
burnt ridge
sin got maybe 1 or 2 cds less,
hazy breach
Ye but more things to track
cinder axle
In Raid ST with Trinktes Forge and prism - do we delay our second cds for forge so we can send the 3rd round of cds with 18 stacks? or do we just Forge - Prism - forge - Prism?
hazy breach
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
cinder axle
ty!
scenic plover
mfw benched
cinder axle
!prism
ok one more question, the forge Agi decays so do i still hold my CB for the second Tech or do i send it with the first? 😄
cursive bear
!bug
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
brave moth
mfw benched
Same
scenic plover
honest scarab
!cbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
brave moth
Unseen Blade procs are random yes? Cuz I am looking at my logs and my Coup de Grace are hitting like wet noodles and are turbo desynced from Shadow Dance windows! ( I know it wont allign always) Coup de Grace are coming at the end for my CD window and I basically have to hold like 20/30 secs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gV8FCx46Ptv9awfd?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=101&comparesearchplayer=101&comparesearch=2.10.2.28
I feel like I am mising something fundamental
swift tinsel
rng be rng
brave moth
But if I have bad RNG does this mean I have to hold Coup de Grace for like 5 years and not use finishers?
swift tinsel
you're only holding it for flag
brave moth
Idk gotta deep dive and check more. I feel like I miss something rly basic and I do no dmg
swift tinsel
its a mostly single target fight with no amps, sub isn't the best for it
so rng is going to stick out
surreal cedar
!wa
wicked joltBOT
young roost
does prism interact with the magic dmg modifiers in subs talent trees?
dusty junco
hello!
dusty junco
can anyone tell me if having a dagger in OFF hand is a MUST or
swift tinsel
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
vale pine
can anyone tell me if having a dagger in OFF hand is a MUST or
shadow techniques is not normalized, so you get a lot less procs
dusty junco
what is shadow techniques ?
chrome fern
free cp
shrewd lantern
Yeah i mean you can play with a sword its just you will do shit damage
but its technically playable if you disable details
signal moth
are add in soulbinder still in parses?
karmic harbor
i hope so
signal moth
do you lot rip cds in heroic or wait for adds?
i know its heroic but im trialing need to min/max lol, mythic is very dif
karmic harbor
on pull and 2mins
swift tinsel
are add in soulbinder still in parses?
they are atm
if you send flag with first add spawn it'll be up at ~2mins for when the big wave spawns
for maximum pad
send a regular sod/dance/sectech on pull and they'll be back for first canister break
then just send cds with each canister set
top meters gg
burnt panther
exiting the key with the prism loaded to re-enter without losing the stack still works?_
swift tinsel
yeah its a bit of the wild west
dusty junco
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
iron plover
parsing heroic with subt is just weird
I just slammed stuff on CD and somehow managed a top 500 parse so just do whatever
signal moth
I just slammed stuff on CD and somehow managed a top 500 parse so just do whatev...
bro i cant parse as subt at all
high 80s at best
sin ST i am getting 95+ lol
making me sad
iron plover
dang
Well if you want to cheese it
Find a group that’s specifically doing parses
So they break 0 canisters and just nuke when all ads are up
I wasn’t paying attention in that group or I maybe could’ve gotten a 99 😪
slate lantern
Or wait til wcl nukes all adds off logs and we can rightfully take our place at the bottom 
cedar iron
Is it me or there is nothing much to craft with sparks.
sick sand
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
slender echo
!log
vale pine
i got loot in raid pog
fallen crescent
i got loot in raid pog
Gz big dawg
brittle flax
Probably a stupid question but is there any reason i would press backstab over Shadowstrike whilst in dance?
dusty junco
wait is that a sword?
yes
vale pine
for danse stacks
crisp idol
!loot
wicked joltBOT
vale pine
but only once with premeditation
warm marlin
Probably a stupid question but is there any reason i would press backstab over S...
your first builder in dance guarantees 7cp, so yes you press it then to get a danse stack
but only once
crisp idol
hey, Prism with Lily/Pacemaker?
sims are for Pace, but people are telling me lily is better
shrewd lantern
thats a pvp mog if i ever seen one
low poly weapon that only exists to show off a bright ass blob of an enchant
slate lantern
hey, Prism with Lily/Pacemaker?
sims are for Pace, but people are telling me lil...
Who are people
Trust the robot
dusty junco
thats a pvp mog if i ever seen one
game recognizes game
sadly I didn't ply retail to havem y
bloody dancing steel illusion
pastel sentinel
Is there a bug with tricks not lasting 1 hour?
dusty junco
shrewd lantern
”old models were better”
crisp idol
Who are people
guildie rogue
shrewd lantern
but goat enchant
keen dome
i got loot in raid pog
fashion is the real victory
slate lantern
Is there a bug with tricks not lasting 1 hour?
A) there was deaths
B) you didn't activate tricks by hitting a mob that the tank was in combat with/in sight of?
C) You accidentally picked deathstalker
Prob one of those
swift tinsel
Theldurin's Fist goated mog
vale pine
fashion is the real victory
will be new furniture for your house in the next xpac
dusty junco
but goat enchant
real
vale pine
Is there a bug with tricks not lasting 1 hour?
you need to trigger it to get the 1h buff
vale pine
of gear when asking
wwdym?
slate lantern
guildie rogue
Double on use is mainly for forge+prism cause the double on use negates the 2min cd of forge and allows for better stacking of prism, so a proper 1:30 trinket will get much less value than forge and it makes sense your sims is telling you pace
vale pine
one thing thats funny is, i got so used to the colored flag icon that i get thrown off when i look at the talent calc elsewhere
pastel sentinel
A) there was deaths
B) you didn't activate tricks by hitting a mob that the tank...
I'm on the platform with Saldahaar and it keeps setting to 30 sec
pastel sentinel
you need to trigger it to get the 1h buff
Do I need to cast it mid combat?
pastel sentinel
Ohh I get it now thanks
warm marlin
just always press it when pull timer goes out
your shadowstrike on pull will trigger it
and youre good to go
pastel sentinel
Yeah I wasn't checking during the pull just when I cast it
crisp idol
Double on use is mainly for forge+prism cause the double on use negates the 2min...
so i should stay with prism and pace
karmic harbor
bro i cant parse as subt at all
we're not the same
dapper gyro
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
signal moth
dang
what is even worse is when you are parsing 99 for every prog kill even when you wipe at sub 1% but then the pull you kill it you get a 64 lol
alpine wraith
<@212854714197344256> freedom
poggers
slate lantern
so i should stay with prism and pace
I mean just telling you to trust in sims if you're doing it correctly. If it's like mythic lily vs champ pace then maybe it's different
native zodiac
@tepid trellis gg grats
tranquil egret
<@212854714197344256> freedom
gz
fringe palm
<@212854714197344256> freedom
144 
placid elk
!wa
wicked joltBOT
tepid trellis
144 <:Pog:670623719445495818>
should have died at like 120ish
but people did a lil bit of trolling
and didn't do their p3 prep
fringe palm
it still quite low
tepid trellis
good to know for reclear tho that i do not get 3x cds in p3
so it just a hold 2nd set for prism stacks
tired dome
How do you guys handle Shadow Techniques refreshing full CP? I keep Shadow Striking by mistake sometimes not expecting CP to fully refresh, but theres so much delay before the CP refresh that Id have to hold my GCD to wait for it?
vale pine
should have died at like 120ish
144 is a nice number
tepid trellis
How do you guys handle Shadow Techniques refreshing full CP? I keep Shadow Strik...
its only a delay on coup casts
regular finishers its almost instant
feral radish
how close are mastery and crit for M+ content :?
native zodiac
only got 2 cds in p3
huh how fast did you kill what
tired dome
its only a delay on coup casts
Its sometimes instant but a lot of times delayed.. and then if you have 10 stacks it refreshes twice
tepid trellis
huh how fast did you kill what
9:50
proven plover
ye fuck mages
shut burrow
def dont HAVE to play tea but boy it feels better
warm marlin
tea about 1% more aoe, cb about 1% more st
leaden prairie
can i macro tea to something
shut burrow
i like it macroed to sectec fr
warm marlin
can i macro tea to something
dance
vale pine
or is cb similar
can play cb
but tea feels more consistent
especially when you get tfd
alpine wraith
for cb you need to sometimes watch out on when you triple dance
proven plover
can i macro tea to something
use your cb keybind or did you macro it
alpine wraith
might need some recovery before the third or fourth
also cant go super happy with putting up ruptures
mint violet
How often can I use CB?
alpine wraith
doing a 12 sec dance from dry is oofers
alpine wraith
How often can I use CB?
now you only quite use it on cds
it is risky to use in between
mint violet
Figured, kk
tepid trellis
not bad for loosing out on 18 prism go at the end
and the most rancid p1 of my life
mortal bolt
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
limber folio
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
warm marlin
not bad for loosing out on 18 prism go at the end
prism passive users win again
alpine wraith
coup rng giveth coup rng taketh
tepid trellis
2:50
alpine wraith
so you can do the forge thing
tepid trellis
but you stop for like 20+ sec now
alpine wraith
or not worth
tepid trellis
u do yeah
native zodiac
100% worth
tepid trellis
you send cds at 1:50
native zodiac
you time it into the 2nd dance with cb
tepid trellis
and forge last half of cds
alpine wraith
you get anotehr sneaky dance kinda right
vale pine
not bad \o/
left ledge
Wait
vale pine
😮
left ledge
True I could be forging my cds again in p1
warm marlin
ye
alpine wraith
can we still do the triangle cleave on second platform
warm marlin
its scuffed though
left ledge
I’m trolling
tepid trellis
or 7.18 to be exact
warm marlin
you only get the second half of blades
alpine wraith
havent watched other prog much apart from WF
alpine wraith
when i get there p1 will be cooked as f
native zodiac
doesnt matter
tepid trellis
so did i
hazy breach
I had a 7.3 where we wiped before last blades with 18 stacks
left ledge
Those adds are dying in 3 gcds
tepid trellis
2x arcane 2x fdk
alpine wraith
and p3 wont have 18 stack prism
native zodiac
you outpad every single class on platforms by a mile
hazy breach
Wouldve been so good to get some ammo against the "double on-use is required" crowd, but alas no such luck
tepid trellis
tepid trellis
you outpad every single class on platforms by a mile
eh good mages does the same as you
like pretty much exact same
warm marlin
The arcane mages are blowing up the main add
idk im up with arcane on main guy and like 2x the second highest guy on adds
kinda crazy
native zodiac
eh good mages does the same as you
maybe i guess
left ledge
Brother
native zodiac
they defo beat you on 2nd platform add dmg
tepid trellis
in p2
left ledge
We are running 2 destro, bm, 2 devoker, 2 arcane, 2 fdk, havoc, ele, ww, spriest
tepid trellis
We are running 2 destro, bm, 2 devoker, 2 arcane, 2 fdk, havoc, ele, ww, spriest
you are just competeing with magus and Fdk
left ledge
Yeah
tepid trellis
same as me
i had to fire INSTANT
or i would not get my sectech on the adds
thats how fast
they die
tepid trellis
im a master at flying
tepid trellis
will i prep coup and 14 stacs of ShT
left ledge
Yeah same
tepid trellis
and got it off almost 100% of the time
native zodiac
if you save up 14 sht and a coup it will always line up on platform 1
left ledge
How lmao
native zodiac
sectech into coup coup on the adds
warm marlin
Im holding my cb sectec on first plat for adds to get gripped
left ledge
I shit you not after grips there’s only like 2-3 gcds
vale pine
you are just competeing with magus and Fdk
magus op, nerf plox
left ledge
Maybe even less
tepid trellis
Im holding my cb sectec on first plat for adds to get gripped
i can almost just rip it same sec its off cd and it times with them getting gripped
tepid trellis
I shit you not after grips there’s only like 2-3 gcds
oh yeah you wont get 2x coup + sectech on them
they will be dead
warm marlin
its mostly just holding 2nd symbols to not get the refund to line up
tepid trellis
but sectech + 1coup is ez
warm marlin
but it is delaying it by 1-2 gcds
tepid trellis
i once came out of platform 2 at 6.9mil on details
left ledge
It’s not just fdk
tepid trellis
wouldve been a banger
left ledge
Our WW doing just as much as the fdk
How much did you do in total to nullbinders on kill
bitter cloud
its worth to craft hands if i have already 4p?
left ledge
I’m doing ~350-400mil
native zodiac
430m
left ledge
Yeah no shot I can hit 430
tepid trellis
404
native zodiac
we had the same comp as yours
left ledge
we had the same comp as yours
Can you show me nullbinder breakdown
warm marlin
I did 365 mil to Arto and 300mil to pargoth
our deepest wipe so far has me 450M on arto, 440M on nullbinders, and 280M on pargoth where we wiped to the soaks after first set
left ledge
You don’t have a ww also doing as much as the fdk
native zodiac
just kill them before they can touch them
left ledge
Dude those things get gripped and they just disappear
They actually are just gone
You can barely see them
native zodiac
lemme clip what i mean with prestacking on dim
warm marlin
do you have a clip of landing -> burst? im just curious to see how fast they explode
native zodiac
my kill vid got fucked but ill just get a random wipe
left ledge
I mean at the end idrc about parsing too much but I really don’t think it is going to be possible for me with 4 people dropping nukes on the adds
native zodiac
do you have a clip of landing -> burst? im just curious to see how fast they exp...
my nullbinders
lusty acorn
hey guys i just got netherprism on myth and ran a sim. the sims says i should run netherprism + antenna (both myth) but wouldnt it be better to run 2 on use trinkets so i can get stacks for netherprism?
its telling me to replace my lily (hero)
warm marlin
no 2 on use is not good outside of prism forge
warm marlin
https://streamable.com/wanxxv
even those living longer than some of our pulls
its funny
the dks grip grip right
left ledge
I mean my best pull was 7.5 mil in p3 at 60%
warm marlin
back to back gcd
so the first 2 adds get gripped and in that one gcd before the second ones come in
the first are already 75% hp
native zodiac
I mean my best pull was 7.5 mil in p3 at 60%
thats p good
think my highest was 7.4
lusty acorn
no 2 on use is not good outside of prism forge
for dungeons aswell?
warm marlin
for dungeons aswell?
probably even worse in dungeons
lusty acorn
probably even worse in dungeons
i meant for what you said
warm marlin
no coup on pull is already a gg
are yall just not getting the prewipe sectec
left ledge
Other times 4.4
left ledge
I don’t always have Sectec loaded for the wipe unfortunately 
warm marlin
i meant for what you said
yes, since the main weakness of 1x on use is not having a trinket for the first cooldown usage
in raid that is one of maybe 3-4 usages, in dungeons 1 of maybe 10-15
if you have a myth antenna your only other option should be heroic-myth forge in some cases
left ledge
https://streamable.com/wanxxv
I see you supercharged
I don’t supercharge
The rupture refund actually drives me crazy
warm marlin
macro gaming
unique nest
!maccro
left ledge
I just can’t deal with it, I press rupture and get no refund, then I press dance symbols and get a fucking refund as I stab
native zodiac
left ledge
Just -7 combo points
warm marlin
I just can’t deal with it, I press rupture and get no refund, then I press dance...
i already got the muscle memory for the counterplay macro
left ledge
For no fucking reason
warm marlin
bug is gone for me gg
left ledge
What’s the counter play macro
unique nest
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
icy mulch
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
warm marlin
What’s the counter play macro
dance -> symbols -> bs macro
and shadowstrike/sectec versions
in addition to normal binds
warm marlin
the premed bug that prevents refunds while premed is active
prevents the delayed rupture refund bug
with sod
so you dance first
short aurora
Homie is edging
left ledge
I have to dance first?
warm marlin
ya
warm marlin
well thats why u do the macro xd
left ledge
I’ve been pressing symbols into dance for like 7 fucking years
native zodiac
same
burnt panther
I’ve been pressing symbols into dance for like 7 fucking years
x2
left ledge
My only macro is sectec cb
burnt panther
I don't mind losing 1% DPS and playing more comfortably.
left ledge
But you know what
Maybe for dim
I can use all my brain cells
To dance first
Just for that first platform
Because I’ll never need it elsewhere
warm marlin
My only macro is sectec cb
make a new bind and use this only for first dance of blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cast Backstab```keep muscle memory and outplay the refund bug
burnt panther
make a new bind and use this only for first dance of blades
```#showtooltip Ba...
that's the one I use
left ledge
If I don’t I’m just not going to supercharge
The bug is just so stupid
Dude I’m fucking sick of rupture refund bugs
Devs
Can we stop this shit
Just remove rupture or something
Holy shit
native zodiac
💀
tepid trellis
i use 0
native zodiac
same
left ledge
I can’t use macros other than sectec cb
warm marlin
i didnt want to put step on my dragonriding bar
so now theres a target artoshian step flag macro
left ledge
And I don’t use action paging
warm marlin
and one for the other 2
left ledge
Ok that is demonic
tepid trellis
i just dismount
warm marlin
i dont think i would care otherwise but looking at some 3s without flag in the burn anyway
crisp idol
can someone tell me what im actually doing that bad?
warm marlin
dont want to lose 0.5s more fumbling my dismount bind
viral patrol
can someone tell me what im actually doing that bad?
@tepid trellis Stealthi just got done with the tier he has some time now to help
tepid trellis
tmy i will time your ass out
viral patrol
tepid trellis
gonna send a horde to tag you on warrior discord
karmic harbor
can someone tell me what im actually doing that bad?
which one are you
crisp idol
the shit one
karmic harbor
what is err going on here buddy
solar parrot
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
karmic harbor
so far ive seen
wary plover
is there a way to macro lily and prism in order to use 2 lily then prism?
zinc venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mHiE6ebL6oE48DimJrUxvL
Has anyone ever had sim recommend no ring enchant at all? lmao
karmic harbor
@crisp idol the other rogue was able to do this in the same time period
lilac stag
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mHiE6ebL6oE48DimJrUxvL
Has anyone ever h...
Try selecting ring enchants
hazy breach
You did not select any gems
honest grail
is there a way to macro lily and prism in order to use 2 lily then prism?
Just macro lily to your SB and use a different keybind for prism
slate lantern
is there a way to macro lily and prism in order to use 2 lily then prism?
Yeah just have to make a 4:30 long castsequence macro
slate lantern
Just macro lily to your SB and use a different keybind for prism
At that point I'd just have two different blades keybinds, one with 13 one with 14
zinc venture
You did not select any gems
I know, it was too many iterations with gems. But it should still recommend an enchant, no?
lilac stag
Now what
On mobile so I have no idea what you’re selecting or what you’re not. Deselect every option and just run the rings. Make sure replace enchants is ticked and see what it does. Refresh the site before doing so.
strange harness
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
jade urchin
do antenna orbs travel towards you? or can they stop near you
cause i was fighting for my life trying to see them on fractillus
alpine wraith
travel to you
but only last 20 secs
so if they spawn too far they wont arrive in time
ripe flame
On certain places, fuck you dawnbreaker ship, they sometimes stop all together like 1 step behind you
jade urchin
ye i just got it before fractillus reclear
strange harness
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W14zDgG6HYXdCcRf?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=20 Can someone explain me why my coup the grace has that low dmg?
spiral needle
bit of a vague question but you did miss a few second casts
dense swallow
When trying to make a macro that does the following Shadow blade -> Forge -> Tempered Potion -> Sec Tec the tempered potion doesn't proc
i was doing /use Tempered Potion
is it a different macro?
using the 2 star ones
spiral needle
I've had to use itemids in macros ever since potion quality became a thing
versed swift
Tempered only work for me if I use the item id
kind wasp
anyone else have issues with So'leah weakauras? It won't tell me what stats other has
limpid sage
anyone know if the dinar system is gonna be exactly like last time?
dense swallow
no clue
narrow shadow
Guys, is this true? I asked why havoc doesn't use Dslice and rogue does and got this reply
dense swallow
for using cold blood into sec tec, after waiting to use it on the second one, can i just use cold blood sec tec on everyone one after off cd?
or should it always be every 2nd sec tec
steel jolt
Guys, is this true? I asked why havoc doesn't use Dslice and rogue does and got ...
it's just because the TCs of each class have to implement the APL for dungeon slice and not all of them do
also i would definitely not take anyone that calls TCs an idiot like that seriously
warm marlin
dungeon slice is specifically good for rogue because it simulates things like restealths/downtime which patchwerk aoe does not
steel jolt
i mean that whole comment is just...wtf
hazy breach
Yeah lemme just sim 1:30 8 targets so it looks like prism is awful
You can see whispyr ranting about it here
But in general its just really hard to sim m+ and you have to pick the least worst option, and TCers doesnt agree on what that is
narrow shadow
i mean that whole comment is just...wtf
They were saying more stuff how Dslice would never work and if someone recommends it it's stupid
So I was just wondering how true this was
steel jolt
They were saying more stuff how Dslice would never work and if someone recommend...
why would you take any comment like that seriously without any reasoning? like if i told you that it's good idea to eat a fork without saying why, would you just accept it?
shrewd lantern
same seriousness i take people who say they're chasing bis
and its only hero track gear
narrow shadow
Well I really have no idea how Simms work, thats why I'm asking
steel jolt
i think it's good to apply critical thinking to all situations
steel jolt
i don't know much about cars but i'm still going to ask you why if you tell me that it's dumb to use gasoline in it
hushed pollen
hello im fairly new to the spec mostly doing keys on it, how do yall approach a standard m+ pack? just rupture 2-3 times and then go into cooldowns or just put it on main target and go into burst?
hazy breach
Well I really have no idea how Simms work, thats why I'm asking
Dslice is a boss fight followed by a random amount of targets that live for a random amount of time with some random amount of downtime in between some of the spawns.
rose parrot
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
narrow shadow
I think the other dude got tilted by my ignorance haha
hazy breach
Other alternatives include MDT sims, which sim exactly one specific route of a specific dungeon, which sounds good in theory until you realize that anybody dying or fucking up something will shift the entire thing away from how the sim is playing it
Or just standard 5-10 target cleave for X amount of seconds
slate lantern
I think the other dude got tilted by my ignorance haha
Sounds like a dh main
narrow shadow
Other alternatives include MDT sims, which sim *exactly* one specific route of a...
All right, thanks for clarifying!
hazy breach
All of them have issues that make them not a perfect model of a random m+ key
But its moreso tied to the "randomness" of playing the key itself, theres too many variables
Than the sims being bad
slate lantern
What a fantastic way to get people to not sim
narrow shadow
It's horrible
steel jolt
I bet raid bots loves the people paying to get faster sims tho
lavish rose
What a fantastic way to get people to not sim
havoc discord spotted
slate marlin
What a fantastic way to get people to not sim
WHAT
slate lantern
I can't believe someone can look at that recommendation and unironically think "ackshually dslice is bad"
slate marlin
What spec is that
lavish rose
havoc dh
slate lantern
What spec is that
Dh
slate marlin
jesus christ
limpid sage
Hello guys how do you make bosses drop loot you can use?
near jetty
Share your secrets tyvm
xD
lilac stag
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cJnG2NLXoPAPmCdb9Cn89R
Because pacemaker is still a really good trinket that lines up with our dances nicely
near jetty
Because pacemaker is still a really good trinket that lines up with our dances n...
i mean then why ppl on top board playing with araz?
near jetty
hmm so 2 on use trinket
lavish rose
my havoc dh has 2 myth trinkets, one of them bis, myth mainhand, one myth tier, one myth belt. i boosted it to 80 last week. my rogue with 500 hours has a myth weapon and a myth ring only.
lilac stag
2 on use works well with planned routes
tacit steeple
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
lilac stag
1x works better in pugs
sullen yarrow
HEY HALLS 17 I SWAPPED AL OF MY GEAR TO ASSA, do i stay sub or go assa
lilac stag
where it’s the wild Wild West
sullen yarrow
or do i loose a lot of dps by the swap
lilac stag
wtf would you play assa?
sullen yarrow
i just wanted to know what do more dps
keen dome
Well if you swapped all your gear to Assa then play Assa? Why did you swap all your gear if not?
Like, what's the question here lol
hazy breach
i mean then why ppl on top board playing with araz?
clever cradle
assa simed higher for me so i went it for the st bosses then swapped to sub and had my cb not working for the entire next boss so im never doing it again !
alpine wraith
that is so funny
lilac stag
assa has zero boss dmg unless you’re pulling mobs into the boss. Boss dmg kinda important in high keys.
steel jolt
assa simed higher for me so i went it for the st bosses then swapped to sub and ...
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
steel jolt
WA may help with that
clever cradle
it does go missing from my bar but i never even thought of it only after the pull
warm marlin
<:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
Not using prism for the last 4.5 minutes of the key presumably 🔥
clever cradle
my ass was payphoning thinking it was m+ build
lilac stag
Not using prism for the last 4.5 minutes of the key presumably 🔥
27 stack goes hard
hazy breach
Not using prism for the last 4.5 minutes of the key presumably 🔥
Most logs look like this too, idk its just to wild me that the 7-10% dmg they lose all the time that isnt during araz is something that people consider wortwhile
warm marlin
yeah idk the 2x on use brainrot is crazy
the amount of people playing prism lily and stuff too
smh
hazy breach
Like on ST it is undoubtedly good, and its clearly not horrible as people are doing high keys with it
lilac stag
ngl send and forget zero on use fury is 
hazy breach
But when youre not using the trinket for 6 minutes its just full on bruh
lilac stag
how many flags are they holding would worry me as well
warm marlin
i get it in raid but keys its just mega troll
like keys let you ignore the one major downside of prism
and the amount of times you maybe hold flag for like 10-15s at the end of a pack and go up to like 11 prism stacks
lilac stag
Death with stacks is soooo painful
I’d rather run Lily + passive the harder the keys get
lilac pendant
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hushed roost
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
hushed roost
prism pacemaker probably better right than forge pace because it lines up better?
dusk stone
its better because you dont lose a ton of passive agi/stat
dusk stone
house of cards was an S tier trinket last season because it has both passive agi and good on use effect
prism has 0 passive agi and forges is like 2k crit
so thats around 14k~ agility lost
lilac stag
HoC was would be C tier this season. It was the only good 90 second trinket and it sucked.
dusk stone
for sure but its a good example of why it was so good last season
partly at least
it had both
dusk stone
i guess but noone seems to read half of what makes trinkets good
hushed roost
time to just pray for mythic antenna i guess
narrow shadow
laughable how mid it was
Worse than Lily?
dusk stone
pacemaker is very strong too
hushed roost
this double on use shit is too cringe for me
lilac stag
Worse than Lily?
Lily isn’t bad.
dusk stone
lily is quite good actually just not bis
shadow lance
Saying HoC is bad and Lily isn't is wild
woeful lance
!wa
wicked joltBOT
dusk stone
again it has passive stat + on use
tight sapphire
i have created an int off-hand by mistake :( do you know if blizzard support help with this kind of things?
hazy breach
They will not
shadow lance
No, learn to read
narrow shadow
Saying HoC is bad and Lily isn't is wild
Exactly
shadow lance
That's what support gonna think and say
hazy breach
Unfortunately
lilac stag
Saying HoC is bad and Lily isn't is wild
Mythic Lily is plenty good. It’s not Prism 
shadow lance
I mean, HoC is not Prism, but is it bad?
hazy breach
house of cards was an S tier trinket last season because it has both passive agi...
House of cards was an S tier trinket last season because there was no good trinkets
All of them sucked
hybrid beacon
anyone have a list of abilities that evasion works on this season? I know people sometimes make a spreadsheet and wasn't able to find one (for m+)
hazy breach
As is evident by the fact that they had to nerf transmitter twice to get us to use hoc over it
lilac stag
I mean, HoC is not Prism, but is it bad?
Considering you ran mythic transmitter until you had mythic HoC yes HoC was bad.
shadow lance
Your statement is wrong. Lily is bad cuz Prism exist
narrow shadow
As is evident by the fact that they had to nerf transmitter twice to get us to u...
Ugh, I def don't miss that prison of a trinket
shadow lance
Yes, forgot about the trasnmitter part
north schooner
jump 3 times if you hate it
shadow lance
Maybe transmitter was overpowered
lilac stag
ah the S tier lack of of brain cells invading channel more and more each day.
they nerfed the one good trinket in s2 coming into s3 (pacemaker)
hazy breach
Transmitter also had haste on it 
keen dome
Attack speed for all those big melee crits
shadow lance
You seems very disparaging for someone who's saying one item is worse than an other
crisp idol
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
shadow lance
Even if there are the same items
Legit same shit
Overall HoC isn't good, but Lily isn't either
hazy breach
But in general right trinkets have their power distributed depending on what their passive is:
dusk stone
one of those is veteran track too
hazy breach
And since sub does a lot of bursts
shadow lance
It was for the tooltip
dusk stone
mythic hoc was 8k agility no?
hazy breach
We want as much of the power to be in the active as possible
dusk stone
right it wasnt really the point
lilac stag
You seems very disparaging for someone who's saying one item is worse than an ot...
You’re not saying that. You’re saying one is bad because of another when in fact it’s not a bad trinket. It’s just not the best,
dusk stone
that doesn't really line up with saying something is C tier though
steel jolt
but muh tier list
hybrid beacon
!guides
dusk stone
apparently lily by that definition is C tier
lilac stag
anyways. Enjoy prism. Enjoy double on use. Enjoy priory. Enjoy all the things.
dusk stone
actually probably D tier because it lacks the additional passive effect
keen dome
Enjoy priory??? Never
shadow lance
Bro, you just said : HoC bad, Lily's good
keen dome
Oh you mean the trinket not the dungeon
dusk stone
yeah we should just stop being rude in general
shadow lance
It's a fcking non sense if you got 2 braincells working together
Both are bad, or both are good
And HoC was only "good" last tier, idd, cuz no other trinket usable
And lily stay bad this tier cuz overkilled bu a fcking NM prism
shadow lance
It's not the point god dammit
dusk stone
yeah for sure i get it
hushed roost
how braindead am i if just send trinket macro every time and if id rather do that should i just do prism antenna instead
hushed roost
yeah lowkey i think i fuck up too much and mythic araz hurts my head
dusk stone
yeah i got a heroic forge and am having troubles with it as well im hoping /use forge /use prism will be enough
dusk stone
i just dont have any good keyboard space left for forge is the issue the macro seems to work for now, idk if it will break in combat though
hushed roost
whats even the dps loss on perfect double on use usage anyway from using a passive antenna/pace
north schooner
why would it break in combat? As long as you press your CDs less than 2min apart it will rotate fine
dusk stone
You’re not saying that. You’re saying one is bad because of another when in fact...
you seem to be big proponent of forge in keys how do i use the one i got well to at least test it
dusk stone
why would it break in combat? As long as you press your CDs less than 2min apart...
i was messing around with macros 2 weeks ago that worked on a dummy fine, and when i went into raid it worked on trash but immediately broke on bosses idk why
dusk stone
do i need to ask the tank to pull differently to get full value from forge? seems like it would suck bad if the forge pull is small
dusk stone
so it losses a lot of value if the pull isn't correct for it while losing the passive outside as well, ok
ty
lilac stag
just makes big pulls feel good
Overall dps not as good unless you can plan around flag
dusk stone
any idea why all the top key logs are using it then?
lilac stag
because they plan around their CDs
dusk stone
its better or worse even in that situation you think
graceful terrace
are we supposed to be using netherprism with every blades?
dusk stone
additionally sub rogue is listed as S tier on archon apparently but noone is bringing rogues, thats wild
dusk stone
are we supposed to be using netherprism with every blades?
you can, or you can hold it if you think its better its optional
hidden geyser
what could have been 😢
Had such luck with unseen blade
on the next pull we killed and i was shafted, low procs, ended up doing -500k dps lmao
dusk stone
got a 98 on fractillus yesterday myself
hidden geyser
i ended up with like a 60 or sth, completely destroyed, half the casts of coup the grace
38 casts on the first pull, 24 casts on the second
dusk stone
🙁
hidden geyser
its rough out there...
karmic harbor
Should've feinted more so your healers could heal other people
spring elm
Are we gonna be able to play DFA sub on legion remix
karmic harbor
Oh damn I've never played remix before but maybe I do just for that
slate lantern
its just live but back in legion
acoustic matrix
guys how do you reset a raid boss as sub ?
Shuriken vanish ain't working
or I'm doing it wrong
was told to remove poisons, still didn't work
steel jolt
or just ask one of the 500 hunters around
vale scaffold
I think the other dude got tilted by my ignorance haha
not tilted i was just being funny D:
acoustic matrix
or just ask one of the 500 hunters around
So we can't ?
steel jolt
my best guess is that you have to use a projectile and then vanish before it hits the boss, but not every boss can be reset and there is typically always someone better for this than a rogue
charred kestrel
!fuu
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acoustic matrix
In this raid only dimensius cannot be reset i think
hushed pollen
do yall usually just BP at 4+ targets or try to evis down a prio target cause it still cleaves
tidal marsh
So we can't ?
If you don't have a hunter, ask a mage
If you don't have either, leave raid group forever
spiral needle
the difference between bp and evis is kind of small, and evis is such a small part of your damage that prio target doesn't really change much
lilac stag
You prio dmg is strike, coup & Sectech. Launch bps at 4 targets
acoustic matrix
If you don't have a hunter, ask a mage
My question was wether we could as sub rogue or not but I guess we can't. Strange that vanish wouldn't work, I remember it dropping combat in solo content.
tidal marsh
Yeah I don't even remember the last time I've reset when on rogue, 'cause I remember it being finicky
So for a long time now I just say I won't do it
brisk thunder
Any thoughts about using shiv between coups in single target bosses? It hits harder than storm on paper
spice matrix
Shiv doesn't give combo points, that's the only reason we use storm
spice matrix
mind blown
honest saddle
My question was wether we could as sub rogue or not but I guess we can't. Strang...
I think you can. I think you can throw and then vanish. Not shuriken, but actually throw.
is throw still a thing? I guess it isn't hmm. Yeah, hard to reset without it.
spice matrix
oh ye it does 🙂
hazy breach
But yeah on pure ST you can in theory do shiv for 20k more damage
But if theres ever more than one target you would never
vestal plume
!macro
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We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
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/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
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brisk thunder
But if theres ever more than one target you would never
Aight thx for the replies
acoustic matrix
shiv toss storm = 18% more damage in dance macabre too, is it not worth using them in the first dance ?
hazy breach
Not worth
lilac stag
DM questions out the wazoo recently.
It’s just there basically. Dance + backstab is our DM optimization. 
acoustic matrix
Yeah Shadowstrike is too strong
north schooner
if you spec into goremaw you go up to 24% 
lilac stag
If bliz would delete DM that would be great
lilac stag
It does not
north schooner
it's more damage than SS but no UB procs
acoustic matrix
Do we get the 25% bonus damage to SS in dance ?