#subtlety

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ornate drum
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I'm currently 3.2K on my main, just wanting to swap back to rogue since queue simulator is ass for monk atm, so trying to find some more optimization angles.

I'm at least competiting with people that are around that range, so I might be overthinking what I'm trying to learn, but at the same time, I do know that discord as a resource is a lot of value

astral axle
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i mean it is the difference between recitation of facts and applying knowledge to novel scenarios, right?

ornate drum
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This is actually what I was looking for

vale pine
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the 2nd thing is trinkets

ornate drum
vale pine
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idk which you have to your exposal

ornate drum
vale pine
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but trinkets are a bit complicated this season

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basically, most trinkets have some special benefit

ornate drum
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yeah.. I see double on-use, so understanding that was more of a future me problem. 😅

mint maple
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Hey. I am doing like shit in Araz, I dont know why. How are you dealing with that fight?

vale pine
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prism for example is almost mandatory for us to be good

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and

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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
open coral
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
vale pine
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you often will end up deciding where to hold your stacks of prism and where not depending on the dungeon

slate lantern
vale pine
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a big pull, you migth want 18 stacks of prism

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and you use a combat pot

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your other guild members will have their chin drop

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if they look at details

mint maple
ornate drum
vale pine
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always happy to discuss things 🙂

ornate drum
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I think my feedback for the guides on WoWhead then would be to include CD management thing you sent early.

The offensive CDs section is great, but seeing the impact together, is also important imo.

Also, I might've not seen it, but the trinket command there would be amazing.

vale pine
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👍

gritty kite
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I have seen videos where ppl use Shadow Dance without caring for Flagelation cd. Is ok to delay Flagelation for bigger pulls?

vale pine
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its basically like this

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you want to have 1.5 charges of shadow dance for your flagellation

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so 1 charge and 30 sec of shadow dance

versed swift
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What's the trade off between the two on use setup prism forge vs prism antenna? Like strictly from a throughput angle

vale pine
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which means, you don't want to use dance too agressive before the cooldown

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you farm dance back a bit faster in aoe tho

gritty kite
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Do you have any tips how can I improve this? I am losing damage sitting on 2 dances for flag :S

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Or is just exp?

vale pine
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you sometimes sit, but many times its because you did not send it agressive enough

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its experience for sure

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you also often spread rupture before sending cooldowns while the tank is gathering

gritty kite
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yes I am spreading ruptures

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but Some pulls im doing like 2 mio dps and sitting waiting for flag to come

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I will watch the 1.5 charges

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ty for the input

night hawk
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Is sub a lot stronger than Sin or just slightly?

lucid jackal
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@hazy breach gamer

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Need embellishment help

vale pine
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ascendent is good if you play both sub/sin
dusk/dawn is good in aoe
focus lense is always good
diffrence between the embellishments is super small, they all suck

lucid jackal
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Im tryna figure out what to do super optimal minmax because like

chrome fern
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i pulled up the arcane mage wowhead, and they have a section i think that would be really beneficial for all specs, in that they have a simplified rotation to just get by

zinc venture
lucid jackal
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I have double mythic dagger now, and theres no good neck in the game, other than via crafting/getting lucky vault

warm marlin
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I’m thinking double dusk long term

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Belt/wrist after disc nerf

lucid jackal
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But like

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Theres no neck in the game

warm marlin
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Triple crafted item a bit unfortunate

lucid jackal
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I did 3x crafted last szn

slate lantern
lucid jackal
warm marlin
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Idk lens feels bad because of 0 aoe value

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And at least last season the threads simmed higher with staying at high hp a lot in farm

lucid jackal
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is it rlly a 3 craft szn

cursive spear
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what is the miss chance supposed to be for antenna sims?

lucid jackal
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15-20

warm marlin
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2x lens on fract/plexus/loom 3x craft on the rest garfBusiness

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Duplicate crafts in every relevant slot garfBusiness

desert rover
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are there known reasons why a Coldblood macro would not work at all?

lucid jackal
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!cbbug

wicked joltBOT
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Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

lucid jackal
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or, youdont have it on ur stealth bar

desert rover
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man

slate lantern
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or you're using an int dagger

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oops wrong problem

vale pine
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happened to a lot

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crafting is not giving you a warning for whatever reason

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so people did send their crafting orders for int weapons

slate lantern
vale pine
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haha yes

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literally one if statement

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hard work

feral knot
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can I stack prism before boss?

slate lantern
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if(weapon == rogue.unusable) !craft

vale pine
feral knot
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i see

zinc venture
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why do I sometimes see people using evasion in their opener?

slate lantern
vale pine
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something like that

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i assume its not a rogue only problem

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if you are in loot council

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you will notice just how many people click need on agility or int weapons when its not their main stat

rancid crow
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should I be reviewing parses by ilvl bracket? or overall?

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rankings I mean

vale pine
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thats probably a answer you don't like

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but neither is the best option

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if you want to measure yourself against others, you need to take overall

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but if you want to improve you need to look at your log analytical

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and see what mistakes you made and what you can improve on

rancid crow
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That was a great answer btw

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I'm not quite sure how to spot my mistakes

vale pine
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and a good way to find mistakes is also to look what others do

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this website gives you a good visualization for cooldown usage of the top logs

brave moth
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Do I use Coup de Grace procs ONLY with Shadow Dance in raid ? That is what I am figuring out from logs

vale pine
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you can look at where people send cooldowns and try to assume why

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i give one example to make it clear

vale pine
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soulbinder is a early boss so its fairly trivial in terms of requirement

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you don't need to play it perfect to beat the fight and there is actually no need to

rancid crow
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these parse rankings are by your individual performance? Or the groups kill time?

vale pine
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but if you want to, you might look at the rankings

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you tick on shadow dance, because thats an important buff you want to see when its used

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and then you zoom in a bit

tired dome
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Outside of Flag burst rotation, is it good to Supercharge 4pc Coup De Grace and use a Secret Tech without a supercharged cp?

plain void
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!tier

wicked joltBOT
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Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

vale pine
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and you see, most of the top logs send a shadow dance initially

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but delay their frist flagellation cast

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if you think of the fight layout you quickly realize, thats because the adds spawn there

rancid crow
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and how do I switch my log to mirror that view?

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so I can compare when my cds were going off

hazy breach
zinc venture
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You can upload your log to lorrgs and it'll show it like that

rancid crow
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oh, great, ty

vale pine
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this example is something funnily i had a talk with a raidleader

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who reached out to me

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and asked why the performance between both of their rogues did differ

tired dome
vale pine
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and one of them did hold cooldowns for adds, the other didn't

hazy breach
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Coup gets the same benefit from supercharging as eviscerate does

vale pine
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funnily enough neither of them did play the fight correct

lethal yew
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If you're bad at sub like me, I will import those logs into MRT to get a rough idea of when to use my CDs in raid

hazy breach
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Sectech is significantly ahead of it in terms of damage per combo point

vale pine
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which ended up in me explaining the fight and why diffrences are like they are on the logs, and how many of it just came down to who did pad on adds better

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i think many things in wow are more obviouse once you discuss it and spend more time trying to understand

craggy sentinel
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probably a dumb question, at the start of an encounter, are the stacks of the prism would be resetted? I mean, can i charge the trinket before a boss fight?

hazy breach
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You cannot have stacks on pull no

vale pine
craggy sentinel
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oook, thank you all

signal moth
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what is the weakaura or addon that shows mobs next ability they are going to cast and the timer for it?

rancid crow
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it looks like my cooldowns generally line up with where they should. I think I must be misunderstanding something lol cuz I parsed low by ilvl

lucid jackal
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ilvl parses are very low sample size

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And where ur ilvl is, matters a lot

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U can be 711 with max ilvl weapons

rancid crow
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I'm 715 rn

lucid jackal
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and u can be 711 with just junk

rancid crow
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thats good to know too

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heres my stats at the moment

slate lantern
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but more like 715 ilvl of someone without a netherprism vs 715 ilvl of someone with a netherprism will produce very different results

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so ilvl parses are generally not something you should concern yourself with too much

rancid crow
tired dome
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You never really get to send Prism with full stacks if its your only on-use trinket then, just macro it into Blades?

swift tinsel
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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
swift tinsel
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if there's a reason to hold for more stacks, you can

slate lantern
tired dome
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Guess that makes sense

slate lantern
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just another knowledge check for the thinking mans spec

tired dome
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On training dummy.. is my coup de grace supposed to be top?

slate lantern
burnt ridge
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!macro

wicked joltBOT
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Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

honest basin
tired dome
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Dont understand why its so different

burnt ridge
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Rerolling from assassination here.

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What skills can i use macroed, for exemple, can i use secret technique with cold blood?

brave harbor
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
wicked joltBOT
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Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

vale pine
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!bs

wicked joltBOT
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Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

swift tinsel
vale pine
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even tho you might want to have trinkets seperated

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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
vale pine
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especially to optimize the use based on boss

burnt ridge
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ok, so, of course every skill with its own button is optimal, but no skills togheter at all?

swift tinsel
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not really

burnt ridge
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ok

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thats sad

swift tinsel
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things are used differently so macros don't really help much

tired dome
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Makes me miss the simple days of Combat rogue lol

swift tinsel
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probs have just as many as sin which you're coming from

burnt ridge
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sin got maybe 1 or 2 cds less,

hazy breach
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Ye but more things to track

cinder axle
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In Raid ST with Trinktes Forge and prism - do we delay our second cds for forge so we can send the 3rd round of cds with 18 stacks? or do we just Forge - Prism - forge - Prism?

hazy breach
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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
cinder axle
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ty!

scenic plover
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mfw benched

cinder axle
# hazy breach !prism

ok one more question, the forge Agi decays so do i still hold my CB for the second Tech or do i send it with the first? 😄

cursive bear
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!bug

wicked joltBOT
brave moth
scenic plover
honest scarab
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!cbug

wicked joltBOT
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Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

brave moth
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Unseen Blade procs are random yes? Cuz I am looking at my logs and my Coup de Grace are hitting like wet noodles and are turbo desynced from Shadow Dance windows! ( I know it wont allign always) Coup de Grace are coming at the end for my CD window and I basically have to hold like 20/30 secs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gV8FCx46Ptv9awfd?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=101&comparesearchplayer=101&comparesearch=2.10.2.28

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I feel like I am mising something fundamental

swift tinsel
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rng be rng

brave moth
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But if I have bad RNG does this mean I have to hold Coup de Grace for like 5 years and not use finishers?

swift tinsel
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you're only holding it for flag

brave moth
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Idk gotta deep dive and check more. I feel like I miss something rly basic and I do no dmg

swift tinsel
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its a mostly single target fight with no amps, sub isn't the best for it

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so rng is going to stick out

surreal cedar
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!wa

young roost
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does prism interact with the magic dmg modifiers in subs talent trees?

dusty junco
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hello!

vale pine
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nope

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hi

dusty junco
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can anyone tell me if having a dagger in OFF hand is a MUST or

swift tinsel
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!oh

wicked joltBOT
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Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

dusty junco
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rest in peace to a good mog

vale pine
dusty junco
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what is shadow techniques ?

chrome fern
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free cp

shrewd lantern
dusty junco
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okay

shrewd lantern
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Yeah i mean you can play with a sword its just you will do shit damage

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but its technically playable if you disable details

karmic harbor
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another 3% buff

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will anyone beat the rank 1 sub fractilus log this week

signal moth
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are add in soulbinder still in parses?

karmic harbor
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i hope so

signal moth
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do you lot rip cds in heroic or wait for adds?

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i know its heroic but im trialing need to min/max lol, mythic is very dif

karmic harbor
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on pull and 2mins

dusty junco
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thank you all

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anyways

swift tinsel
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if you send flag with first add spawn it'll be up at ~2mins for when the big wave spawns

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for maximum pad

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send a regular sod/dance/sectech on pull and they'll be back for first canister break

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then just send cds with each canister set

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top meters gg

burnt panther
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exiting the key with the prism loaded to re-enter without losing the stack still works?_

signal moth
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parsing heroic with subt is just weird

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timings are fucked

swift tinsel
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yeah its a bit of the wild west

dusty junco
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!prepull

wicked joltBOT
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Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.

  • Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
    NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.
  • Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
    Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than 1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
iron plover
signal moth
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high 80s at best

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sin ST i am getting 95+ lol

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making me sad

iron plover
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dang

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Well if you want to cheese it

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Find a group that’s specifically doing parses

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So they break 0 canisters and just nuke when all ads are up

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I wasn’t paying attention in that group or I maybe could’ve gotten a 99 😪

slate lantern
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Or wait til wcl nukes all adds off logs and we can rightfully take our place at the bottom Classic

cedar iron
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Is it me or there is nothing much to craft with sparks.

sick sand
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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
last gate
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wait is that a sword?

last gate
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like belt

slender echo
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!log

vale pine
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i got loot in raid pog

fallen crescent
brittle flax
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Probably a stupid question but is there any reason i would press backstab over Shadowstrike whilst in dance?

dusty junco
vale pine
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for danse stacks

crisp idol
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!loot

dusty junco
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I had swordo n off hand

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sword on offhand

vale pine
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but only once with premeditation

warm marlin
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but only once

vale pine
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^^

crisp idol
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hey, Prism with Lily/Pacemaker?
sims are for Pace, but people are telling me lily is better

shrewd lantern
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thats a pvp mog if i ever seen one

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low poly weapon that only exists to show off a bright ass blob of an enchant

slate lantern
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Trust the robot

dusty junco
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sadly I didn't ply retail to havem y

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bloody dancing steel illusion

pastel sentinel
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Is there a bug with tricks not lasting 1 hour?

dusty junco
shrewd lantern
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”old models were better”

crisp idol
shrewd lantern
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but goat enchant

keen dome
shrewd lantern
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Why do we not include tracks

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of gear when asking

slate lantern
swift tinsel
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Theldurin's Fist goated mog

vale pine
dusty junco
vale pine
vale pine
slate lantern
# crisp idol guildie rogue

Double on use is mainly for forge+prism cause the double on use negates the 2min cd of forge and allows for better stacking of prism, so a proper 1:30 trinket will get much less value than forge and it makes sense your sims is telling you pace

vale pine
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one thing thats funny is, i got so used to the colored flag icon that i get thrown off when i look at the talent calc elsewhere

pastel sentinel
pastel sentinel
vale pine
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you need to attack once

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to get the buff

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then it lasts 1h

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but if you die its gone

pastel sentinel
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Ohh I get it now thanks

warm marlin
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just always press it when pull timer goes out

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your shadowstrike on pull will trigger it

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and youre good to go

pastel sentinel
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Yeah I wasn't checking during the pull just when I cast it

crisp idol
karmic harbor
limber folio
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back to hell

dapper gyro
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!prism

wicked joltBOT
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Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
tepid trellis
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@hazy breach freedom

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a bit overdue

signal moth
# iron plover dang

what is even worse is when you are parsing 99 for every prog kill even when you wipe at sub 1% but then the pull you kill it you get a 64 lol

alpine wraith
slate lantern
native zodiac
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@tepid trellis gg grats

tranquil egret
vale pine
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congrats

tepid trellis
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only got 2 cds in p3

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fck this tri weekly dmg buff bs

fringe palm
placid elk
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!wa

tepid trellis
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but people did a lil bit of trolling

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and didn't do their p3 prep

fringe palm
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it still quite low

tepid trellis
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good to know for reclear tho that i do not get 3x cds in p3

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so it just a hold 2nd set for prism stacks

tired dome
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How do you guys handle Shadow Techniques refreshing full CP? I keep Shadow Striking by mistake sometimes not expecting CP to fully refresh, but theres so much delay before the CP refresh that Id have to hold my GCD to wait for it?

vale pine
dusty junco
tepid trellis
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regular finishers its almost instant

feral radish
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how close are mastery and crit for M+ content :?

native zodiac
tired dome
tepid trellis
native zodiac
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rip

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glad we killed before the 3% buff

tepid trellis
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lost to our mage because of it -.-

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fcking disgusting

proven plover
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ye fuck mages

native zodiac
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that was our kill

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me to the 2nd guy

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balanced

leaden prairie
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do you have to play tea in keys

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or is cb similar

shut burrow
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def dont HAVE to play tea but boy it feels better

warm marlin
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tea about 1% more aoe, cb about 1% more st

leaden prairie
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can i macro tea to something

shut burrow
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i like it macroed to sectec fr

alpine wraith
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btw stealthi did you end up doing the forge forge in p1

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or just normal

warm marlin
vale pine
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but tea feels more consistent

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especially when you get tfd

alpine wraith
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for cb you need to sometimes watch out on when you triple dance

proven plover
alpine wraith
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might need some recovery before the third or fourth

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also cant go super happy with putting up ruptures

mint violet
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How often can I use CB?

alpine wraith
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doing a 12 sec dance from dry is oofers

alpine wraith
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it is risky to use in between

mint violet
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Figured, kk

tepid trellis
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not bad for loosing out on 18 prism go at the end

#

and the most rancid p1 of my life

mortal bolt
#

!macros

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

warm marlin
native zodiac
#

what did you end up doing in p1

tepid trellis
#

fcking 4,2

#

instead of my normal 5.2

native zodiac
#

ye i did 5.4 on our kill

#

lmao

alpine wraith
#

coup rng giveth coup rng taketh

tepid trellis
#

just 0 procs in cds

#

it is what it is

native zodiac
#

if coup doesnt proc in tfd on pull

#

its fucking over

#

lmao

alpine wraith
#

how long is p1

#

usually

tepid trellis
#

2:50

native zodiac
#

2:55

#

usually

alpine wraith
#

so you can do the forge thing

tepid trellis
#

but you stop for like 20+ sec now

alpine wraith
#

or not worth

tepid trellis
#

u do yeah

native zodiac
#

100% worth

tepid trellis
#

you send cds at 1:50

native zodiac
#

you time it into the 2nd dance with cb

tepid trellis
#

and forge last half of cds

alpine wraith
#

you get anotehr sneaky dance kinda right

vale pine
alpine wraith
#

because it lasts 30 secs

#

with less agi but something

tepid trellis
#

was 7.2mil

left ledge
#

Wait

vale pine
#

😮

left ledge
#

True I could be forging my cds again in p1

warm marlin
#

ye

alpine wraith
#

can we still do the triangle cleave on second platform

warm marlin
#

its scuffed though

left ledge
#

I’m trolling

tepid trellis
#

or 7.18 to be exact

warm marlin
#

you only get the second half of blades

alpine wraith
#

havent watched other prog much apart from WF

left ledge
#

Dude I will not parse on dim

#

We have 2 fdks

alpine wraith
#

when i get there p1 will be cooked as f

native zodiac
#

doesnt matter

tepid trellis
#

so did i

hazy breach
#

I had a 7.3 where we wiped before last blades with 18 stacks

left ledge
#

Those adds are dying in 3 gcds

tepid trellis
#

2x arcane 2x fdk

alpine wraith
#

and p3 wont have 18 stack prism

warm marlin
#

on platforms

native zodiac
#

you outpad every single class on platforms by a mile

hazy breach
#

Wouldve been so good to get some ammo against the "double on-use is required" crowd, but alas no such luck

left ledge
#

The arcane mages are blowing up the main add

#

And the fdks can def compete in aoe

tepid trellis
tepid trellis
#

like pretty much exact same

warm marlin
#

kinda crazy

native zodiac
left ledge
#

Brother

tepid trellis
#

we had pulls where our magus

#

did 1.37b

native zodiac
#

they defo beat you on 2nd platform add dmg

tepid trellis
#

in p2

left ledge
# tepid trellis

We are running 2 destro, bm, 2 devoker, 2 arcane, 2 fdk, havoc, ele, ww, spriest

icy mulch
#

Our dks are holding exterminate for the null binders

#

💀

tepid trellis
left ledge
#

Yeah

tepid trellis
#

same as me

#

i had to fire INSTANT

#

or i would not get my sectech on the adds

#

thats how fast

#

they die

left ledge
#

Yeah I can’t sometimes though dude

#

It’s rng

tepid trellis
#

im a master at flying

left ledge
#

Sometimes they die so fucking fast

#

I’m there first

tepid trellis
#

will i prep coup and 14 stacs of ShT

left ledge
#

Yeah same

tepid trellis
#

and got it off almost 100% of the time

native zodiac
#

if you save up 14 sht and a coup it will always line up on platform 1

left ledge
#

How lmao

native zodiac
#

sectech into coup coup on the adds

warm marlin
#

Im holding my cb sectec on first plat for adds to get gripped

left ledge
#

I shit you not after grips there’s only like 2-3 gcds

vale pine
left ledge
#

Maybe even less

tepid trellis
tepid trellis
#

they will be dead

warm marlin
#

its mostly just holding 2nd symbols to not get the refund to line up

tepid trellis
#

but sectech + 1coup is ez

warm marlin
#

but it is delaying it by 1-2 gcds

left ledge
#

Doing 2x is cope

#

I am barely beating others

#

WW also giga fucks adds btw

tepid trellis
#

i once came out of platform 2 at 6.9mil on details

left ledge
#

It’s not just fdk

tepid trellis
#

wouldve been a banger

left ledge
#

Our WW doing just as much as the fdk

#

How much did you do in total to nullbinders on kill

bitter cloud
#

its worth to craft hands if i have already 4p?

left ledge
#

I’m doing ~350-400mil

native zodiac
#

430m

left ledge
#

Yeah no shot I can hit 430

tepid trellis
#

404

native zodiac
#

we had the same comp as yours

left ledge
#

The DKs and WW also doing 300mil

#

I did 365 mil to Arto and 300mil to pargoth

left ledge
warm marlin
left ledge
#

Yeah I have to STOP dps on arto

#

So I’m not sure how I can get to 450

warm marlin
#

ah xd

#

that would do it

left ledge
#

You don’t have a ww also doing as much as the fdk

native zodiac
#

just kill them before they can touch them

left ledge
#

I’m trying ICANT

#

Fucking sectec is delayed

warm marlin
#

prejack that thing

#

xd

left ledge
#

Dude those things get gripped and they just disappear

#

They actually are just gone

#

You can barely see them

native zodiac
#

lemme clip what i mean with prestacking on dim

left ledge
#

I know what you mean

#

I get 14 sht with coup before we fly

#

Full cp

warm marlin
#

do you have a clip of landing -> burst? im just curious to see how fast they explode

left ledge
#

I open INSTA on the guy

#

No sadly I don’t stream

native zodiac
#

my kill vid got fucked but ill just get a random wipe

left ledge
#

Some people do in my guild but

#

I wouldn’t know which vod

tepid trellis
#

gripped

left ledge
#

Yeah I mean again

#

Theres more than 2 fdk and 2 arcane that im against

warm marlin
#

5 full seconds is crazy

#

sectec after first grip -> 2 gcds and they are all gone

left ledge
#

I mean at the end idrc about parsing too much but I really don’t think it is going to be possible for me with 4 people dropping nukes on the adds

lusty acorn
#

hey guys i just got netherprism on myth and ran a sim. the sims says i should run netherprism + antenna (both myth) but wouldnt it be better to run 2 on use trinkets so i can get stacks for netherprism?

#

its telling me to replace my lily (hero)

warm marlin
#

no 2 on use is not good outside of prism forge

warm marlin
#

its funny

#

the dks grip grip right

left ledge
#

I mean my best pull was 7.5 mil in p3 at 60%

warm marlin
#

back to back gcd

#

so the first 2 adds get gripped and in that one gcd before the second ones come in

#

the first are already 75% hp

native zodiac
#

think my highest was 7.4

left ledge
#

But that’s so hard to get to

#

I had to get the stars to align

lusty acorn
native zodiac
#

ye the fight is giga rng tbh

#

no coup on pull is already a gg

warm marlin
left ledge
#

P1 damage is so rng

#

I feel like sometimes I’ll end p1 at like 5.3 or above

lusty acorn
warm marlin
left ledge
#

Other times 4.4

native zodiac
#

patch is just complete rng

left ledge
#

I don’t always have Sectec loaded for the wipe unfortunately ICANT

warm marlin
#

in raid that is one of maybe 3-4 usages, in dungeons 1 of maybe 10-15

#

if you have a myth antenna your only other option should be heroic-myth forge in some cases

left ledge
#

I don’t supercharge

#

The rupture refund actually drives me crazy

warm marlin
#

macro gaming

unique nest
#

!maccro

left ledge
#

I just can’t deal with it, I press rupture and get no refund, then I press dance symbols and get a fucking refund as I stab

native zodiac
left ledge
#

Just -7 combo points

warm marlin
left ledge
#

For no fucking reason

warm marlin
#

bug is gone for me gg

left ledge
#

What’s the counter play macro

unique nest
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

warm marlin
#

and shadowstrike/sectec versions

#

in addition to normal binds

left ledge
#

What’s the macro though

#

I don’t get it

warm marlin
#

the premed bug that prevents refunds while premed is active

#

prevents the delayed rupture refund bug

#

with sod

#

so you dance first

short aurora
#

Homie is edging

left ledge
#

I have to dance first?

warm marlin
#

ya

left ledge
#

I will never do that

#

I can’t

warm marlin
#

well thats why u do the macro xd

left ledge
#

I’ve been pressing symbols into dance for like 7 fucking years

native zodiac
#

same

native zodiac
#

im allergic to macros

#

besides trinket to blades

left ledge
#

My only macro is sectec cb

burnt panther
#

I don't mind losing 1% DPS and playing more comfortably.

left ledge
#

But you know what

#

Maybe for dim

#

I can use all my brain cells

#

To dance first

#

Just for that first platform

#

Because I’ll never need it elsewhere

warm marlin
#

keep muscle memory and outplay the refund bug

left ledge
#

Yeah hell no

#

I’ll just press dance first

#

If I remember

warm marlin
#

i tried that lmao

#

muscle memory too strong

left ledge
#

If I don’t I’m just not going to supercharge

#

The bug is just so stupid

#

Dude I’m fucking sick of rupture refund bugs

#

Devs

#

Can we stop this shit

#

Just remove rupture or something

#

Holy shit

warm marlin
#

i have like 7 unique macros for dimensius exclusively

#

bit crazy boss

native zodiac
#

💀

tepid trellis
#

i use 0

native zodiac
#

same

left ledge
#

I can’t use macros other than sectec cb

warm marlin
#

i didnt want to put step on my dragonriding bar

#

so now theres a target artoshian step flag macro

left ledge
#

And I don’t use action paging

warm marlin
#

and one for the other 2

left ledge
#

Ok that is demonic

tepid trellis
#

i just dismount

left ledge
#

I just dismount

#

Yeah

warm marlin
#

its mostly because i dont have autumn

#

need every ms i can get for flag cd

warm marlin
#

i dont think i would care otherwise but looking at some 3s without flag in the burn anyway

crisp idol
#

can someone tell me what im actually doing that bad?

warm marlin
#

dont want to lose 0.5s more fumbling my dismount bind

karmic harbor
#

bruh this buff is awful

#

my guild kills frac in 4:30 now

#

ill never parse again

viral patrol
tepid trellis
#

tmy i will time your ass out

tepid trellis
#

gonna send a horde to tag you on warrior discord

karmic harbor
crisp idol
#

the shit one

karmic harbor
#

what is err going on here buddy

solar parrot
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

crisp idol
#

switch to add i think

#

it went down to fast

#

or isnt it?

karmic harbor
#

so far ive seen

  1. not supercharging sectec (symbols of death buffs your next 2 finishers)
  2. not opening dance with sectec
  3. this flag/blades usage
wary plover
#

is there a way to macro lily and prism in order to use 2 lily then prism?

zinc venture
karmic harbor
#

@crisp idol the other rogue was able to do this in the same time period

zinc venture
#

Thanks

#

Did that

#

Now what

karmic harbor
#

and that's on plexus btw not the plexus adds

#

so you were just afk for some reason

hazy breach
#

You did not select any gems

honest grail
slate lantern
slate lantern
zinc venture
lilac stag
# zinc venture Now what

On mobile so I have no idea what you’re selecting or what you’re not. Deselect every option and just run the rings. Make sure replace enchants is ticked and see what it does. Refresh the site before doing so.

hazy breach
#

Well no

#

Because it replaces all of your gems with nothing

#

So gems > 1 enchant

zinc venture
#

Ahhh okay that makes sense

#

Thank you

strange harness
#

!coup

wicked joltBOT
#

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

  • **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
  • Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
  • Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
jade urchin
#

do antenna orbs travel towards you? or can they stop near you

#

cause i was fighting for my life trying to see them on fractillus

alpine wraith
#

travel to you

#

but only last 20 secs

#

so if they spawn too far they wont arrive in time

ripe flame
#

On certain places, fuck you dawnbreaker ship, they sometimes stop all together like 1 step behind you

jade urchin
#

ye i just got it before fractillus reclear

strange harness
spiral needle
#

bit of a vague question but you did miss a few second casts

dense swallow
#

When trying to make a macro that does the following Shadow blade -> Forge -> Tempered Potion -> Sec Tec the tempered potion doesn't proc

#

i was doing /use Tempered Potion

#

is it a different macro?

#

using the 2 star ones

spiral needle
#

I've had to use itemids in macros ever since potion quality became a thing

versed swift
#

Tempered only work for me if I use the item id

dense swallow
#

is it /use for it atleast

#

ill find the id real quick

kind wasp
#

anyone else have issues with So'leah weakauras? It won't tell me what stats other has

dense swallow
#

would this be right

limpid sage
#

anyone know if the dinar system is gonna be exactly like last time?

dense swallow
#

no clue

narrow shadow
#

Guys, is this true? I asked why havoc doesn't use Dslice and rogue does and got this reply

dense swallow
#

for using cold blood into sec tec, after waiting to use it on the second one, can i just use cold blood sec tec on everyone one after off cd?

#

or should it always be every 2nd sec tec

steel jolt
#

also i would definitely not take anyone that calls TCs an idiot like that seriously

warm marlin
#

dungeon slice is specifically good for rogue because it simulates things like restealths/downtime which patchwerk aoe does not

steel jolt
#

i mean that whole comment is just...wtf

hazy breach
#

Yeah lemme just sim 1:30 8 targets so it looks like prism is awful

#

You can see whispyr ranting about it here

#

But in general its just really hard to sim m+ and you have to pick the least worst option, and TCers doesnt agree on what that is

narrow shadow
#

So I was just wondering how true this was

shrewd lantern
#

Most people spend forever simming dslice

#

instead of just playing better

steel jolt
shrewd lantern
#

same seriousness i take people who say they're chasing bis

#

and its only hero track gear

narrow shadow
#

Well I really have no idea how Simms work, thats why I'm asking

steel jolt
#

i think it's good to apply critical thinking to all situations

shrewd lantern
#

Yeah i basically only use patchwerk sim

#

and basic thinking

steel jolt
#

i don't know much about cars but i'm still going to ask you why if you tell me that it's dumb to use gasoline in it

hushed pollen
#

hello im fairly new to the spec mostly doing keys on it, how do yall approach a standard m+ pack? just rupture 2-3 times and then go into cooldowns or just put it on main target and go into burst?

hazy breach
rose parrot
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

narrow shadow
#

I think the other dude got tilted by my ignorance haha

hazy breach
#

Other alternatives include MDT sims, which sim exactly one specific route of a specific dungeon, which sounds good in theory until you realize that anybody dying or fucking up something will shift the entire thing away from how the sim is playing it

#

Or just standard 5-10 target cleave for X amount of seconds

slate lantern
narrow shadow
hazy breach
#

All of them have issues that make them not a perfect model of a random m+ key

#

But its moreso tied to the "randomness" of playing the key itself, theres too many variables

#

Than the sims being bad

slate lantern
#

What a fantastic way to get people to not sim

narrow shadow
#

It's horrible

steel jolt
#

I bet raid bots loves the people paying to get faster sims tho

lavish rose
slate lantern
#

I can't believe someone can look at that recommendation and unironically think "ackshually dslice is bad"

slate marlin
#

What spec is that

lavish rose
#

havoc dh

slate lantern
slate marlin
#

jesus christ

lavish rose
#

i have a 714 equipped havoc and i refuse to run anything but patchwerk

#

fuck that

limpid sage
#

Hello guys how do you make bosses drop loot you can use?

near jetty
#

why simc said peacemaker better than araz

limpid sage
#

Share your secrets tyvm

#

Araz is not very good in dungeonslice

near jetty
lilac stag
near jetty
lilac stag
#

you can run either.

#

Personal preference.

near jetty
#

hmm so 2 on use trinket

lavish rose
#

my havoc dh has 2 myth trinkets, one of them bis, myth mainhand, one myth tier, one myth belt. i boosted it to 80 last week. my rogue with 500 hours has a myth weapon and a myth ring only.

lilac stag
#

2 on use works well with planned routes

tacit steeple
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

lilac stag
#

1x works better in pugs

sullen yarrow
#

HEY HALLS 17 I SWAPPED AL OF MY GEAR TO ASSA, do i stay sub or go assa

lilac stag
#

where it’s the wild Wild West

sullen yarrow
#

or do i loose a lot of dps by the swap

lilac stag
#

wtf would you play assa?

sullen yarrow
#

dont be too cocky 2nd rogue is full assa

#

in rio

lilac stag
#

you come in here screaming

#

If you want to play assa play it. Sub is better.

sullen yarrow
#

i just wanted to know what do more dps

keen dome
#

Well if you swapped all your gear to Assa then play Assa? Why did you swap all your gear if not?

#

Like, what's the question here lol

lilac stag
#

outlaw chat question.

clever cradle
#

assa simed higher for me so i went it for the st bosses then swapped to sub and had my cb not working for the entire next boss so im never doing it again !

alpine wraith
#

that is so funny

lilac stag
#

assa has zero boss dmg unless you’re pulling mobs into the boss. Boss dmg kinda important in high keys.

wicked joltBOT
#

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

clever cradle
steel jolt
#

WA may help with that

clever cradle
#

it does go missing from my bar but i never even thought of it only after the pull

warm marlin
clever cradle
#

my ass was payphoning thinking it was m+ build

hazy breach
warm marlin
#

yeah idk the 2x on use brainrot is crazy

#

the amount of people playing prism lily and stuff too

#

smh

hazy breach
#

Like on ST it is undoubtedly good, and its clearly not horrible as people are doing high keys with it

lilac stag
#

ngl send and forget zero on use fury is Surebud

hazy breach
#

But when youre not using the trinket for 6 minutes its just full on bruh

lilac stag
#

how many flags are they holding would worry me as well

warm marlin
#

i get it in raid but keys its just mega troll

#

like keys let you ignore the one major downside of prism

#

and the amount of times you maybe hold flag for like 10-15s at the end of a pack and go up to like 11 prism stacks

lilac stag
#

Death with stacks is soooo painful

#

I’d rather run Lily + passive the harder the keys get

lilac pendant
#

!wa

lilac stag
#

But sub is S tier so follow the RIO

#

Ignore common sense type things

hushed roost
#

!prism

wicked joltBOT
#

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

  • If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
  • If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
  • If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
hushed roost
#

prism pacemaker probably better right than forge pace because it lines up better?

dusk stone
#

its better because you dont lose a ton of passive agi/stat

hushed roost
#

sorry for m+

#

ah

#

makes sense

dusk stone
#

house of cards was an S tier trinket last season because it has both passive agi and good on use effect

#

prism has 0 passive agi and forges is like 2k crit

#

so thats around 14k~ agility lost

lilac stag
#

HoC was would be C tier this season. It was the only good 90 second trinket and it sucked.

dusk stone
#

for sure but its a good example of why it was so good last season

#

partly at least

#

it had both

lilac stag
#

It wasn’t so good. It was just the only 90 second trinket.

#

laughable how mid it was

dusk stone
#

i guess but noone seems to read half of what makes trinkets good

hushed roost
#

time to just pray for mythic antenna i guess

narrow shadow
dusk stone
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pacemaker is very strong too

hushed roost
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this double on use shit is too cringe for me

lilac stag
dusk stone
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lily is quite good actually just not bis

shadow lance
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Saying HoC is bad and Lily isn't is wild

woeful lance
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!wa

dusk stone
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again it has passive stat + on use

tight sapphire
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i have created an int off-hand by mistake :( do you know if blizzard support help with this kind of things?

hazy breach
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They will not

shadow lance
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No, learn to read

narrow shadow
shadow lance
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That's what support gonna think and say

hazy breach
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Unfortunately

lilac stag
shadow lance
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I mean, HoC is not Prism, but is it bad?

hazy breach
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All of them sucked

hybrid beacon
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anyone have a list of abilities that evasion works on this season? I know people sometimes make a spreadsheet and wasn't able to find one (for m+)

dusk stone
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i said partly

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its demonstrative of the thing people aren't getting in large part

hazy breach
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As is evident by the fact that they had to nerf transmitter twice to get us to use hoc over it

lilac stag
shadow lance
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Your statement is wrong. Lily is bad cuz Prism exist

narrow shadow
shadow lance
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Yes, forgot about the trasnmitter part

north schooner
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jump 3 times if you hate it

shadow lance
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Maybe transmitter was overpowered

lilac stag
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ah the S tier lack of of brain cells invading channel more and more each day.

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they nerfed the one good trinket in s2 coming into s3 (pacemaker)

hazy breach
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Transmitter also had haste on it garf_sit

lilac stag
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Helped with energy regen

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A+

keen dome
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Attack speed for all those big melee crits

shadow lance
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You seems very disparaging for someone who's saying one item is worse than an other

crisp idol
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!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

shadow lance
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Even if there are the same items

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Legit same shit

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Overall HoC isn't good, but Lily isn't either

hazy breach
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But in general right trinkets have their power distributed depending on what their passive is:

  • Passive agi: Tends to be split roughly 70/30 between how much power the passive and active/proc contributes
  • Passive secondary stat: Tends to be split in the opposite direction with 30/70, so more of it is tied to the active effect
dusk stone
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one of those is veteran track too

hazy breach
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And since sub does a lot of bursts

shadow lance
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It was for the tooltip

dusk stone
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mythic hoc was 8k agility no?

hazy breach
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We want as much of the power to be in the active as possible

dusk stone
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right it wasnt really the point

lilac stag
dusk stone
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that doesn't really line up with saying something is C tier though

steel jolt
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but muh tier list

hybrid beacon
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!guides

wicked joltBOT
dusk stone
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apparently lily by that definition is C tier

lilac stag
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anyways. Enjoy prism. Enjoy double on use. Enjoy priory. Enjoy all the things.

dusk stone
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actually probably D tier because it lacks the additional passive effect

keen dome
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Enjoy priory??? Never

shadow lance
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Bro, you just said : HoC bad, Lily's good

keen dome
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Oh you mean the trinket not the dungeon

dusk stone
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yeah we should just stop being rude in general

shadow lance
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It's a fcking non sense if you got 2 braincells working together

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Both are bad, or both are good

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And HoC was only "good" last tier, idd, cuz no other trinket usable

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And lily stay bad this tier cuz overkilled bu a fcking NM prism

dusk stone
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well normal prism is actually not bad at all

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704 ilvl vs heroic 710

shadow lance
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It's not the point god dammit

dusk stone
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yeah for sure i get it

hushed roost
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how braindead am i if just send trinket macro every time and if id rather do that should i just do prism antenna instead

alpine wraith
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i forgot to use prism on araz on last burn

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kekw

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that is what can happen

hushed roost
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yeah lowkey i think i fuck up too much and mythic araz hurts my head

dusk stone
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yeah i got a heroic forge and am having troubles with it as well im hoping /use forge /use prism will be enough

shadow lance
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Just put 2 keybinds

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Or yes, play with a passive one

dusk stone
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i just dont have any good keyboard space left for forge is the issue the macro seems to work for now, idk if it will break in combat though

hushed roost
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whats even the dps loss on perfect double on use usage anyway from using a passive antenna/pace

north schooner
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why would it break in combat? As long as you press your CDs less than 2min apart it will rotate fine

dusk stone
dusk stone
lilac stag
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Don’t sit on it. That’s about it.

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waste casts and just play a passive

dusk stone
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do i need to ask the tank to pull differently to get full value from forge? seems like it would suck bad if the forge pull is small

lilac stag
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You’re pulling around flag either way

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if not well you’re adjusting

dusk stone
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so it losses a lot of value if the pull isn't correct for it while losing the passive outside as well, ok

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ty

lilac stag
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just makes big pulls feel good

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Overall dps not as good unless you can plan around flag

dusk stone
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any idea why all the top key logs are using it then?

lilac stag
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because they plan around their CDs

dusk stone
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its better or worse even in that situation you think

graceful terrace
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are we supposed to be using netherprism with every blades?

dusk stone
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additionally sub rogue is listed as S tier on archon apparently but noone is bringing rogues, thats wild

dusk stone
hidden geyser
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what could have been 😢

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Had such luck with unseen blade

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on the next pull we killed and i was shafted, low procs, ended up doing -500k dps lmao

dusk stone
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got a 98 on fractillus yesterday myself

hidden geyser
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i ended up with like a 60 or sth, completely destroyed, half the casts of coup the grace

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38 casts on the first pull, 24 casts on the second

dusk stone
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🙁

hidden geyser
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its rough out there...

karmic harbor
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Should've feinted more so your healers could heal other people

spring elm
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Are we gonna be able to play DFA sub on legion remix

karmic harbor
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Oh damn I've never played remix before but maybe I do just for that

slate lantern
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its just live but back in legion

acoustic matrix
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guys how do you reset a raid boss as sub ?

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Shuriken vanish ain't working

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or I'm doing it wrong

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was told to remove poisons, still didn't work

steel jolt
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or just ask one of the 500 hunters around

vale scaffold
acoustic matrix
steel jolt
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my best guess is that you have to use a projectile and then vanish before it hits the boss, but not every boss can be reset and there is typically always someone better for this than a rogue

charred kestrel
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
acoustic matrix
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In this raid only dimensius cannot be reset i think

hushed pollen
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do yall usually just BP at 4+ targets or try to evis down a prio target cause it still cleaves

tidal marsh
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If you don't have either, leave raid group forever

spiral needle
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the difference between bp and evis is kind of small, and evis is such a small part of your damage that prio target doesn't really change much

lilac stag
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You prio dmg is strike, coup & Sectech. Launch bps at 4 targets

hushed pollen
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makes sense

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tyvm

acoustic matrix
tidal marsh
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Yeah I don't even remember the last time I've reset when on rogue, 'cause I remember it being finicky

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So for a long time now I just say I won't do it

brisk thunder
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Any thoughts about using shiv between coups in single target bosses? It hits harder than storm on paper

spice matrix
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Shiv doesn't give combo points, that's the only reason we use storm

hazy breach
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The difference is so miniscule that it doesnt matter

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Shiv does give combo points

spice matrix
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mind blown

honest saddle
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is throw still a thing? I guess it isn't hmm. Yeah, hard to reset without it.

spice matrix
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oh ye it does 🙂

hazy breach
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But yeah on pure ST you can in theory do shiv for 20k more damage

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But if theres ever more than one target you would never

vestal plume
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

brisk thunder
acoustic matrix
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shiv toss storm = 18% more damage in dance macabre too, is it not worth using them in the first dance ?

hazy breach
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Not worth

lilac stag
#

DM questions out the wazoo recently.

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It’s just there basically. Dance + backstab is our DM optimization. kekdog

acoustic matrix
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Yeah Shadowstrike is too strong

north schooner
#

if you spec into goremaw you go up to 24% HOLY

lilac stag
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If bliz would delete DM that would be great

acoustic matrix
#

goremaw would actually be worth using

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it slaps

lilac stag
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It does not

north schooner
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it's more damage than SS but no UB procs

lilac stag
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Original Goremaw and original WM slapped

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We got temu versions of both now

acoustic matrix
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Do we get the 25% bonus damage to SS in dance ?