You dance when dance is over
#subtlety
hazy breach
And you symbols when sectech has 10s or less left
Which does not happen at the same time
warped gust
!wa
wicked joltBOT
drowsy moon
does use 14 work for trinkets
drowsy moon
topaz venture
do you guys symbols sec outside of dance in m+?
i guess around the point of making sure u have 2 dances
void hound
do you guys symbols sec outside of dance in m+?
usually not since you have so much more cdr you get more dances off
in fact, i found myself short on symbols charges sometimes
peak prawn
!loot
wicked joltBOT
topaz venture
whats the timer we look at for when we stop sending symbols / dance to setup our next flag shadow blades window?
Was it 14 secs on symbols with 1 charge up?
and dance i guess its hard to know due to cdr
Maybe 1 dance up with 30 seconds on cd
swift tinsel
whats the timer we look at for when we stop sending symbols / dance to setup our...
typically ~30sec left on flag cd you stop sending symbols and dance
you want 1.5 dance charges and 1 symbols charge with ~10-12 sec left on 2nd charge cd
topaz venture
30 second downtime sounds rough, but makes sense
swift tinsel
you'll still be sending finishers and when you get closer to flag you'll stop using them to bank shadow techniques stacks for your burst window
just want to make sure to hold coup if you get it for ~20sec out from your next flag
graceful osprey
The downtime period isn’t that bad, it’s actually rather chill
swift tinsel
yeah its part of the ebb and flow of sub damage
halcyon pendant
some poeple get itchy at it, they cant resist sending that extra dance
shell bramble
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
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cunning notch
i dont fully understand ' holding coup ' do you simply not evicerate and wait for 20 seconds ?
swift tinsel
yep
swift tinsel
only if your dance/sectech are going to be ready for flag
I mean its that and a burstier cd window or send it and less bursty cd window
cunning notch
what do we optimally press then ? rupture and bp ?
hazy breach
Its not like were casting many spells to begin with anyway
swift tinsel
^
hazy breach
Nothing
cunning notch
for a whole 20 seconds
swift tinsel
become a humble shadow techniques farmer
cunning notch
that feels like eternity
hazy breach
I mean you backstab
swift tinsel
and then 20 seconds later blast to the moon
hazy breach
But its like every 4th second or something
swift tinsel
sounds like an easy choice
vale osprey
What kind of damage increase does the shadow techniques build-up represent?
flint parrot
!fuu
cunning notch
just overcap backstab till u can coup dance yada yada
wicked joltBOT
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hazy breach
Even if you were to press buttons you get to hit like 1 extra eviscerate in those 20 seconds
cunning notch
mmm
swift tinsel
gets out-damaged by an UB hit
hazy breach
In aoe you wouldnt though, since you get to press way more buttons
lilac stag
become a humble shadow techniques farmer
hazy breach
Then you'd just bp
swift tinsel
https://tenor.com/view/honest-work-it-ain%27t-much-farmer-honest-work-done-gif-1...
mans caught in a shuriken tornado
lilac stag
His fault for selecting the talent.
cunning notch
https://tenor.com/view/honest-work-it-ain%27t-much-farmer-honest-work-done-gif-1...
what the fucky
drowsy moon
time to remove side wheels like learning wheels guys
swift tinsel
His fault for selecting the talent.
based af
drowsy moon
I ll unbind my dance symbols macro
swift tinsel
deserves his fate
alright do I open rogue vault first to rip off the Not Getting Prism band-aid or last to let the anticipation build
steel jolt
Anticipation
graceful osprey
Wait until next Monday
cunning notch
un macroing symbols and dance made me feel like i wasnt pressing symbols at all at some times
topaz venture
you'll still be sending finishers and when you get closer to flag you'll stop us...
can i ask, what is the shadow tech stacks?
swift tinsel
can i ask, what is the shadow tech stacks?
as you auto-attack, you gain them and they act as stored combo points
graceful osprey
The thing that stores extra combo points
lilac stag
un macroing symbols and dance made me feel like i wasnt pressing symbols at all ...
Perhaps you should press the symbols bind
swift tinsel
when you use a builder, it will pull from those stacks to add combo points up to 7
cunning notch
Perhaps you should press the symbols bind
perhaps i shant
lilac stag
enjoy subpar dps
drowsy moon
you want 1.5 dance charges and 1 symbols charge with ~10-12 sec left on 2nd char...
thats so cool
lilac stag
swift tinsel
if you talent Shadowcraft, casting symbols increases the rate at which you gain them and if you cast a builder and have enough stacks, it will fill your combo point bar
drowsy moon
as you auto-attack, you gain them and they act as stored combo points
do u have ur profile picture but without the head
swift tinsel
so you can send back-to-back finishers
drowsy moon
did u use photoshop for it
swift tinsel
yeah I made one for each class discord
drowsy moon
wait no way
swift tinsel
this one has a version with a santa hat
lilac stag
@swift tinsel why are they calling for your head?
swift tinsel
nah I don't think I made the mage one
swift tinsel
<@534102863207464971> why are they calling for your head?
Head game OP I guess
lilac stag
I guess
swift tinsel
without the head
I just photoshop my picture over the heads and add some extra elements to cover up parts like the original picture
none of them are headless
just layered
lilac stag
Head game OP I guess
Did any headway get made on the rotten FW stuff from last week? I was gone since Friday.
swift tinsel
Sounds like you aren't really gaming it anymore
which I wasn't too surprised by
moment
swift tinsel
Did any *headway* get made on the rotten FW stuff from last week? I was gone sin...
Eleem made a good point about it a bit ago
relative strenght of strike/ub and increased coups vs flat bp damage
which makes sense
lilac stag
Ok so BP needs a buff
swift tinsel
if they buff BP to take prio over coup in aoe I will burn down irvine
lilac stag
won’t take much with the about of rain they get
hollow spear
They should limit flawless stacks at 15
hollow spear
Laughs in deathstalker
honest basin
O_O
swift tinsel
Deathstalker laughs at itself
lavish lodge
How is Deathstalker, leveling a sub alt and the gameplay appeals to me over trickster but I keep reading it’s markedly worse
swift tinsel
How is Deathstalker, leveling a sub alt and the gameplay appeals to me over tric...
it is
lavish lodge
How much worse
short radish
How is Deathstalker, leveling a sub alt and the gameplay appeals to me over tric...
its terrible
stop playing it
lavish lodge
Rip
short radish
you will thank us later
lavish lodge
I don’t plan on mythic raiding or anything
swift tinsel
if you spec deathstalker your pc explodes
uneven scarab
they gotta completely redo ds if its gonna stay in the game imo
swift tinsel
out of shame
uneven scarab
real
short radish
do you plan on waking up one day and thinking "you know what I should love myself more and look after myself"
graceful osprey
12.0 for sure 
short radish
because when you do
hazy breach
You can obviously spec into it but it feels bad to play and the numbers are far below trickster
lavish lodge
do you plan on waking up one day and thinking "you know what I should love mysel...
I ask myself that every day, answer so far had been no
short radish
well you can start now
swift tinsel
lmao
short radish
look after yourself homie
swift tinsel
true and actually
lavish lodge
Lemme put it this way I played ret in tbc classic
swift tinsel
not speccing Deathstalker is the ultimate self-care move
hollow spear
I'm playing deathstalker sometimes, to be more appreciative of how bad things could be
swift tinsel
I wanted to see how bad it was the other day without shadowcraft
I had to take a cold shower and call my therapist after
bright briar
they gotta completely redo ds if its gonna stay in the game imo
real shit i wish they would redo DS
lavish lodge
I just like the class fantasy of shadow damage based sub woth gloomblade and such and it seems every aspect of that is p bad rn
short radish
you know how there's the age old arguement of who is in more pain, Man being kicked in the balls or Woman giving birth?
The answer is sub rogues playing deathstalker
swift tinsel
yeah it had the potential to be cool
hollow spear
If I knew what you did as your therapist I wouldn't have picked up
swift tinsel
fantasy-wise
but the implementation was very scuffed
would have offered sub a chance to be a funnel spec again which was a cool prospect
uneven scarab
Fantasy wise its my favorite, execution was terrible bruh
swift tinsel
it also doesn't help trickster is really good for sub as far as augmenting its base kit
so the comparison will always slant away from DS
uneven scarab
Yeah haha, literally solves most the problems subs had in the past
night sparrow
Sham buff is ~5% more dmg in m+ right ? Or even ST ?
short radish
since you can consume DN stack a lot more
hollow spear
Ever since I told my wa to light up at 5 cp when I have coup, it won't refund me anymore
short radish
note thats open world not delves
hollow spear
The world is cruel
short radish
FUCK IT THATS IT IM COOKING UP A DS BUILD FOR OPEN WORLD
and theres nothing you can do to stop me
lavish lodge
I’d be ok with trickster if at least like brew/gloomblade/etc were good but all of those are bad too?
swift tinsel
and theres nothing you can do to stop me
hollow spear
Take away him pc
swift tinsel
I’d be ok with trickster if at least like brew/gloomblade/etc were good but all ...
there's a dark brew build floating around for trickster somewhere
hollow spear
Fimbulvintr clearly not normally
graceful osprey
Just don’t use goremaw’s bite…I mean you “can” but yeah
uneven scarab
Zdps build
hollow spear
Take goremaw
swift tinsel
iirc its fairly competetive in m+ (db build)
hollow spear
You cannot not play goremaw
night sparrow
there's a dark brew build floating around for trickster somewhere
Floating around somewhere ? Is the dark brew build with us in this room ?
hollow spear
Yes
lavish lodge
Just don’t use goremaw’s bite…I mean you “can” but yeah
Yeah ngl that ability looked so bad I just immediately mentally no’d it
swift tinsel
good move
swift tinsel
there was a world where it was relevant but it is not this one
lavish lodge
If econ was important rather just spec tea I feel like
swift tinsel
yeah it kinda solves a problem we don't have
graceful osprey
I mean it’s kinda cool for laughs and giggle and something different to press lol
lavish lodge
At least while leveling, energy has not seemed to be a particularly large concern after shadow techniques
lilac stag
FUCK IT THATS IT IM COOKING UP A DS BUILD FOR OPEN WORLD
This is what happens when you’re upside down too long.
lilac stag
steel jolt
ew man this is a gross GIF
swift tinsel
me eating pizza rolls right out the air fryer
plush roost
Someone invent bleed build sub ty
swift tinsel
specs RS and DB
steel jolt
Char about to bring back the Hemo build
swift tinsel
nailed it
lilac stag
so do I craft a 1H for DH fight
plush roost
Brew finality replicating ⚠️Warning Signs ⚠️ anythjnf else?
swift tinsel
so do I craft a 1H for DH fight
ew no
lilac stag
I want to machine gun down demons.
patent lichen
so do I craft a 1H for DH fight
chrome palm
Brew finality replicating ⚠️Warning Signs ⚠️ anythjnf else?
Haste with no shadow craft goes immensely hard
lilac stag
idk if we’ll even get there this week
swift tinsel
plus extra rupture ticks
OPOP
bleedmaxxing sub
I think we start mythic this week, maybe next
I'm getting itchy
honest basin
man i look away for 15 minutes and come back to yall degens bleedmaxxing?
graceful osprey
Backstab causes a bleed dot, evis causes a bleed dot, secret tech causes a bleed dot, rupture causes another bleed dot, everything bleeds
honest basin
what the fuck
swift tinsel
scenic plover
how long and what do i hold for next shadowblades?
short radish
how bad is it if i also drop shadow dance
short radish
nonono
plush roost
Seems fine man infact, drop sub all together and play classless rogue
short radish
this is good
graceful osprey
The start of a new OP build, no SB and no secret tech
short radish
trust me
swift tinsel
how much did he pay you to say that
plush roost
Class talents only
swift tinsel
we know that's his thing
twilit phoenix
Seems fine man infact, drop sub all together and play classless rogue
🅱️oneless rogue
tropic night
I’ve got a question about trinkets. I currently have a Champion Netherprism and a heroic Lily and Sacbrood. Sim says that double onuse is about 45k higher dps is this the move or play one passive?
kind river
Do you change your gameplay at all for massive uncapped pulls? Like the murlocs in gambit
short radish
wait holy shit what if i also drop sectech
swift tinsel
I’ve got a question about trinkets. I currently have a Champion Netherprism and...
ideally your passive trinket has passive agi, so if the robot says double on-use is better for you it likely is
rancid verge
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
honest basin
What the fuck is 🅱️ro cooking
graceful osprey
how long and what do i hold for next shadowblades?
1 dance and another about 30 seconds left on cd, and then close to two symbols
kind river
It could be because I have netherprism so I don't get a trinket on the opening pull but I felt underwhelming on the first big murloc pull of gambit
queen kraken
wait holy shit what if i also drop sectech
Man completly off the Grid 🧐
kind river
Rest of the key was fine, I didn't play any different
rancid verge
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
graceful osprey
wait holy shit what if i also drop sectech
Now you’re cooking
short radish
mobs die way too quickly
to get any dance cdr back
because of how sub works
and all the power in dance
without dance you hit like a wet noodle
honest basin
short radish
so we need to take power out of dance
and take advantage of subterfuge
think about it right
swift tinsel
yeah but if you don't take dance how do you use our goated Lingering talent
short radish
you strike a mob with 5 or 10 mill hp
then dance symbols sectech
it does
then what do you do for the next mob
thats 30 yards away
okay sure you can shadowstep to it
but then afterwards
youre danceless
and sectechless
honest basin
Man I'm going back to bed it's too early for this
rocky ocean
No bitches
short radish
okay so i haven't cooked up no sectech/dance yet
graceful osprey
swift tinsel
mans cooking dingoes on the barbie
short radish
but basically you take subetrfuge
and master of shadows
so you can burst down a mob because you always have a DN stack
6 seconds of still being able to cast shadowstrike
lilac stag
mans cooking dingoes on the barbie
Think he’s trying to cook Vegemite on the barbie
short radish
and do another evis
rocky ocean
okay so i haven't cooked up no sectech/dance yet
Don’t need blades
short radish
fuck
yes
thats my 2nd cook
this is only round 1
its good
im gonna use this on reset
when i do WQs
lilac stag
what about incorporating PvP talents ?
short radish
wait but then i cant take shadowfocus
short radish
what about incorporating PvP talents ?
i thought about that
that was the reason for sblade
scenic plover
1 dance and another about 30 seconds left on cd, and then close to two symbols
literally have no idea what you mean to say
short radish
then you take these
rocky ocean
wait but then i cant take shadowfocus
One has to make great sacrifices to achieve greatness
patent lichen
Am i bleedmaxxing ??
short radish
15 seconds of blade + 30 seconds of 30% increased shadow damage
which is like 50% uptime
rocky ocean
short radish
ye hold up
back to the ovens
is there ever a world that lingering shadow can acutally do damage because of the 30% increased damage from lingering darkness
and then 10% from dark brew
thats 40% increased damage on gloomblade + lingering
kind river
You don't change anything about the standard opener on massive uncapped pulls do you? Aside from of course spending non-coup finishers on black powder
plush roost
Am i bleedmaxxing ??
Find a way to get tornado to bleed FASTER
short radish
You don't change anything about the standard opener on massive uncapped pulls do...
4 mobs or 40 mobs
just send black powder
plush roost
Step aside assa new king in town
kind river
Maybe I should run tornado for gambit? My opener felt a little weak
patent lichen
Find a way to get tornado to bleed FASTER
I have bleedminned, I apologize let me correct
plush roost
First pull of gambit is fake pad anywau
kind river
Fair
plush roost
Its 2 big packs of 60m hp mobs and 2 actually important casters
Kill caster murlocs and chaingle every time
So if youre trying to be efficient, you burst the 2 caster mobs and then keep doing storm/powder and dance sequences
kind river
That's another question I have as well I guess
At any point during cds do you actually start using storm over shadowstrike?
plush roost
Only once between coups
patent lichen
So if youre trying to be efficient, you burst the 2 caster mobs and then keep do...
God I love it when you talk dirty to me
plush roost
Strike > storm
plush roost
God I love it when you talk dirty to me
Ahem.. ahhhhrm rmhem hrm hem ahem.
Mud
patent lichen
Lmao
kind river
Strike > storm
Thanks
obtuse dirge
with this, shouldnt there be a 2nd coup?
kind river
Sub keys have been pretty fun so far
plush roost
with this, shouldnt there be a 2nd coup?
Yeah but thats from s2
kind river
I'm doing keys exclusively as sub to prepare for later raid encounters
obtuse dirge
Yeah but thats from s2
ok so 2nd coup in place of that evis, got it
plush roost
ok so 2nd coup in place of that evis, got it
Ye
obtuse dirge
also, how does sub feel on demon hunter bois
hazy breach
Fine
plush roost
If your tanks are moving correctly it actually is good
kind river
I'm not looking forward to that encounter on mythic
obtuse dirge
does tagging the others with rupture matter?
peak lantern
!wa
wicked joltBOT
plush roost
They have all 3 dhs stacked for every cd set
kind river
I just learned sub I don't really want to mess with outlaw
hazy breach
Well you keep ruptures up while out of dance yes
kind river
plush roost
Only at 6min when the third meta occurs and shes jumping around do u hold flag
Otherwise send on cd
obtuse dirge
well sub has to feel better than assassination on them
sturdy moat
Are yall able to open vaults ?
plush roost
In 12 minutew
sturdy moat
The servers arent down but everyone is by vault for some reason even tho it should be maintenance rn
limber relic
Not for another 10m
sturdy moat
ah ok
spice matrix
hazy breach
Only at 6min when the third meta occurs and shes jumping around do u hold flag
Our bosses were pretty much dead after the last intermission
plush roost
Our bosses were pretty much dead after the last intermission
Same xd i cant parse
hazy breach
So im just sitting there with my pot and 18 stacks with 15 seconds left when the boss died
plush roost
:(((
hazy breach
Ill just hold the 4:30 one for 5 min on reclear this week
plush roost
Thats what im thinking
short radish
Okay I have cooked. Basically the build takes all of the power out of dance and doesn't really do much with it BUT you weren't really doing much with it in open world anyway.
You basically press shadowblades off cooldown and pray to do enough damage through non amped eviscerates from consuming the DN and DSM stacks. This also takes goremaws bite for even more finishers.
For anyone who wants to try this after the reset the build is here - https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/deathstalker/DANURFFRRRVVFkoFCVBPVUFUUFFFFEQSJRQBREFVVUCUABhWoJ
Note you must be warmode enabled for this build to reach maximum efficiency.
plush roost
Probably after hunt lines
next trellis
does nimble flurry behave like blade flurry? 8 yards around the player?
hazy breach
Ye its 8 yards around the player
spice matrix
someone give fimbul his meds please
short radish
this is going to be good
hazy breach
But it doesnt apply poisons like bladeflurry does
dense swallow
**__Subtlety WAs's:__**
Class packs:
> ### <:fuu:1184251947352608768> [Fuu's](<h...
On the find weakness wa does that mean you should eviscirate over black powder when the wa has the icon of evis
hazy breach
BP at 4 or more targets
short radish
version 3 cook, I have removed alacrity because you don't keep uptime on it in open world (and DS by extent), and this way MoS energy recovery isn't wasted as much
dense swallow
Also how come on i lcyveins rotations guide it doesn’t suggest bleed right after flag
Was using wowhead mainly but took a look
patent lichen
No bleedmaxxing
hazy breach
It does
warped gust
!wa
wicked joltBOT
gilded ferry
BP at 4 or more targets
do we use strike as a builder regardless of the number of targets?
solemn hedge
yo guys. i am currently playing sub on forgeweaver mythic. we are 2 subs in our rooster. we are sending BL on pull where i send my cds while the other sub is waiting for the first adds and is only sending symbols + dance at pull. i feel like i fall behind on damage because i get my cds lined up for the intermission and if i send them, i got non for the dmg amp. how are you guys handling that fight?
hazy breach
No reason to send on pull
short radish
yo guys. i am currently playing sub on forgeweaver mythic. we are 2 subs in our ...
you enjoy your backstab soup in intermission and try and compete with the healers for damage
and then save cds for amp
hazy breach
Just send at ~22s so your big hits happen on adds
young path
version 3 cook, I have removed alacrity because you don't keep uptime on it in o...
How’s this sim?
hazy breach
You dont really lose any boss damage and you gain damage to the adds
short radish
How’s this sim?
garbage
solemn hedge
and bl on pull is demonic
we are aiming on skipping the second intermission though
young path
Dang… got excited there for a sec 🙁
short radish
but it's all about sustained open world damage
alpine wraith
you would bl first intermission then
short radish
it has one specific purpose
kind river
Man rogue sucks at the pylon intermission for forgeweaver, you either get non-functional hero talents as deathstalker assa or holding your burst as trickster sub
solemn hedge
you enjoy your backstab soup in intermission and try and compete with the healer...
yeah we need to optimize dmg then. we can hardly kill our pillar in time
short radish
do not play deathstalker
kind river
I said assa
slate lantern
Man rogue sucks at the pylon intermission for forgeweaver, you either get non-fu...
pylons arent boss, we go next
solemn hedge
Just send at ~22s so your big hits happen on adds
thats helpful thank you
short radish
it is not your job to do damage on pylons
alpine wraith
you know you can have dmg for pylons but it should be fine even if you dont do much
uneven fern
do not play deathstalker
this is also true on sin on that fight really.
alpine wraith
just need to not send 1 dance earlier
dense swallow
Do you shadow blades right before first secret technique?
short radish
well eitehr you dont send it on the last add set
solemn hedge
it is not your job to do damage on pylons
we got hunter, dh, warrior and me on this one pillar
short radish
or you dont send it on pylon
alpine wraith
yea it must be hard to think about sub cds
short radish
easier to not send on pylon
alpine wraith
as other specs
so i have this with 2 charges
and this other one with 3
i can also save this for 14
hmmm
solemn hedge
easier to not send on pylon
yeah so not even dance + symbols
short radish
get them to send more
alpine wraith
it is your choice
short radish
or readjust who goes where
swift tinsel
we did it team
short radish
or hold your last dance/symbols on adds
alpine wraith
you send on adds or pylon
short radish
and save for pylon
alpine wraith
you can even dry sec tech
to have 2 unseens for pylon and use 4 coups there
suddenly you have dmg
but on that sets of adds you will do wang
ask the team you want to carry me in aoe last set or pylon
solemn hedge
so hold on pull, just symbols and dance. then send at around 22 seconds and then hold on pylons.
alpine wraith
checks out
short radish
so hold on pull, just symbols and dance. then send at around 22 seconds and then...
look at the casts on this
alpine wraith
oh and also save 18 stack prism for intermission amp
gilded ferry
which boss is the best to see ST rotation
short radish
which boss is the best to see ST rotation
fract
alpine wraith
fractilus
short radish
plexus as well i guess
short radish
with knocs and shit
just step back 
solemn hedge
https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/forgeweaver-araz
kk thank you. we also do not really use black powder right?
short radish
kk thank you. we also do not really use black powder right?
i used it because im not ethical
gilded ferry
you know what lorgs misses? a zoom button
alpine wraith
bp is more dps but some people use evis more
solemn hedge
yeah because i looked at some logs and most of the top logs dont BP
short radish
you know what lorgs misses? a zoom button
it also doesn't have forgeweaver trinket
gilded ferry
is this a hidden tech
upbeat sorrel
the vanish?
alpine wraith
yes
upbeat sorrel
topaz venture
did u get a lily last 2 weeks
or are u trolling
or do u just have full bis raid alrdy
celest ice
Is there any good sub video guide?
topaz venture
does a fully upgraded lily lose a hc prism?
myth track ofc
mossy karma
!wa
wicked joltBOT
short radish
topaz venture
gg
short radish
yeah heroic prism > myth lily
lilac stag
socket on the helm. 
topaz venture
whats ur other
short radish
and i have myth pacemaker also
short radish
brave harbor
is it normal to not to get 2nd sectec in the opener or am I just a noob
topaz venture
noob
winter ice
is it finally take a belt week
brave harbor
knew it
chrome palm
looks like its a socket week
Holy coal
brave harbor
can I cheat and start the dance with full combo points?
instead of backstab
oh wait
I figured it out
because dance is not gcd
open vortex
anyone need trinkets?
brave harbor
I know I sounded super stupid
spice matrix
Week 3 no Netherprism 🙂
short radish
anyone need trinkets?
fuck you
sincerly
i hope you step in a puddle
wearing only socks
open vortex
🫃
valid vault
is ritual forge + prism bis in all content or just specific bosses and m+
brave harbor
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
spice matrix
ok im closing discord for the day
dense swallow
gg
brave harbor
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
signal moth
for second dance am i hitting backstab after it?
open glade
is it worth grabbing this araz ritual forge from normal? or take the hero legs set in the bottom right:
i don't have any set pieces at the moment
pastel radish
WISH I HAD A CATA CHARGE
lunar crystal
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
pastel radish
lilac stag
i don't have any set pieces at the moment
You can farm heroic pieces. Can’t exactly farm trinkets. Forge is only good for 2x on use.
If you don’t have prism forge is pants
fallow nimbus
I hope i get a mythic forge because chasing orbs gets tedious real quick
summer crest
Is double on-use good for sub? Have hero netherprism equipped and hero pacemaker but can take myth track Lily to replace pacemaker
lilac stag
oh so forge is not good by itself in this case
we're a 90 sec spec. forge is 2mins
it's only used to off set getting prism stacks
signal moth
what is the buff that stacks during flag/burst window that isnt the flag buff itself?
lilac stag
long term forge is likely better, but idk what this toon is for you
open glade
like i get his point , ican farm mythic+ 6's to get hero gear and convert
lilac stag
it's all shit low gear
open glade
i main mage, i'd like to have a second character and learn how to play melee
hazy breach
what is the buff that stacks during flag/burst window that isnt the flag buff it...
Flawless form? Its not tied to flag at all
open glade
so i want to focus on this, i'll have to pug raid
so won't have a group to funnel gear, so it'll just probably be m+ pugging
with the occasional raiding
lilac stag
farm up tier pieces or convert normal pieces unless you think you can roll / get trinkets
slate lantern
so i want to focus on this, i'll have to pug raid
pugging 6/8H is not bad, obvs low chance of gear but
short radish
okay i kinda really cooked with this bullshit build but it's honestly working a lot better in open world than expected
signal moth
Flawless form? Its not tied to flag at all
oh yh i knew but its in that window
short radish
it feels reminiscent of the old levelling build
stoic pier
Is there difference for opening the vault as sub vs assa ?
short radish
where you could jump from mob to mob with shadow strike
short radish
Is there difference for opening the vault as sub vs assa ?
no
short radish
unironically it's acutally a really good open world WQ build
signal moth
i swear something is wrong.. i just did a rotation on 5 target dummy with evis as the finisher and got like 17m after a 1min.. but when i did the exactt same thing but swapped to bp as the finisher i got like 10m after 1min.. wtf is going on lol
stoic pier
Are we going to get catalyst charges this week?
short radish
https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-me-purposefully-spreading-misinformation-o...
bro i know how shit it sounds
but if you do any WQ content
give it a try
i swear this garbage somehow works
celest ice
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
short radish
you dont need sdance for shitty 5mill health mobs
celest ice
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
maiden oar
BIG MONEY
stoic pier
Meanwhile, 🥲
signal moth
Flawless form? Its not tied to flag at all
do we really bp on 4+ targets.. i am legit doing considerable less damage with it then envis lol.. there isnt something i have to do extra that i am missing that?
hazy breach
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
- Always cast Coup de Grace when is ready, regardless of target count.
- Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (theres no other secret rule).
- At *ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.
lilac stag
do we really bp on 4+ targets.. i am legit doing considerable less damage with i...
no we just like spouting off lies in this discord
lilac stag
get gud
signal moth
is my character cursed lol
upbeat sorrel
Meanwhile, 🥲
antenna isnt bad
short radish
no we just like spouting off lies in this discord <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456...
stop calling me out
drifting fable
this thing good?
short radish
the build works man
granite marlin
Anyone able to help with this:
Been doing an alt up got quite a good understanding on the burst windows and defensive spells but seem to be missing a big part.
With the research ive done (Trickster is hero talent this season) Nimble Flurry should be doing 30/35-40% of my DPS overall in dungeons. Im currently peaking at like 20% and i dont fully understand what im doing wrong, cant find a video that helps explain it fully either.
If anyone has a video / advise about it ill take any knowledge u may have. Ive read the WoWhead section but feel like i missed something explaining this particular thing.
(currently 0 set idk if set bonus is the difference maker but idk)
hazy breach
Set bonus is massive
celest ice
do we still refresh SoD at pandemic during CD's ?
tepid trellis
nah only thing you care about is supercharging sectech
celest ice
So whats the reason not to macro sod to dance?
lofty horizon
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
hazy breach
So whats the reason not to macro sod to dance?
That doesnt always line up with dance
(most of the time it doesnt in blades)
near jetty
sub rogue have target cap guys?
celest ice
ah, last played sub at smolderon, wanted to give it a try and im strugggling xD
pine mirage
do we just sim 1 boss patchwerk 5 mins fro st?
near jetty
sub rogue have target cap guys?
?
hazy breach
ah, last played sub at smolderon, wanted to give it a try and im strugggling xD
Do the burst sequence listed in the guides on the dummies tons of times until you can easily do it
And then you do that every 90s
and thats 85% of subs gameplay
hazy breach
sub rogue have target cap guys?
Softcapped at 8 with BP, like most things
pulsar hemlock
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
celest ice
Do the burst sequence listed in the guides on the dummies tons of times until yo...
currently doing that 😄 my muscle memory is so fucked coz for the longest time i had sod macroed to dance so i forget it often, i also really need to fix my binds for sub i think thats also a problem
near jetty
Softcapped at 8 with BP, like most things
:((((
near jetty
currently doing that 😄 my muscle memory is so fucked coz for the longest time i...
what is sod?
zinc scaffold
TIL if you kill Fractillus and not Soul Hunters you can still get loot from them in the vault
cursive island
After a coup inside CDS, you guy's wait 1s in case of getting the CP refund late, or you insta SS and go into the 2nd coup ?
hazy breach
TIL if you kill Fractillus and not Soul Hunters you can still get loot from them...
Yeeeep, same with soulbinder and loom
graceful osprey
literally have no idea what you mean to say
I believe you were asking what you needed to have for shadow blades correct?
chrome palm
belt angle?
near jetty
belt angle?
frac trinket :(((
warm marlin
so many brothers getting M prism today
signal moth
so with the aoe... im assuming when coup is available you just coup twice and ignore bp no matter if there are 50000 mobs?
lucid jackal
U don't even want to open my vault
signal moth
as that is prob why my damage sucks without it
hazy breach
Yes
short radish
so many brothers getting M prism today
After my vault I cant watch anymore
warm marlin
I was out for a day and missed entirety of frac prog so hes not even in my vault 
short radish
Ooooooft
hazy breach
short radish
That is big sad
sturdy moat
Have any of yall replaced your delve belt yet>
sturdy moat
double oathsworn
vale pine
U don't even want to open my vault
just do it ^^
hazy breach
What wep enchants you guys running for st
Any of the secondary stat ones that isnt haste is gonna be fine
If your gear has no crit then maybe the crit ones are slightly better and vice versa for the other stats, but it largely doesnt matter much
cunning notch
too much mast ?
kind bluff
To much haste
sturdy moat
not enough ilvl
near jetty
so with the aoe... im assuming when coup is available you just coup twice and ig...
is that true?
hazy breach
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
- Always cast Coup de Grace when is ready, regardless of target count.
- Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
- At ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.
hazy breach
Oh no minor grammar mistake
valid vault
double on use just bis now or only specific bosses and m+?
hazy breach
double on use just bis now or only specific bosses and m+?
Its good but overrated
Not double on-use in general, specifically forge and prism
tender frost
actually so over
lucid jackal
Idk who at blizzard I pissed off
valid vault
Its good but overrated
is it simming correctly?
lucid jackal
Idk how my vaults are this bad
hazy breach
so many brothers getting M prism today
Should be ~13.5% chance to get it in vault if youve killed fract so fairly high
drifting fable
bro how
hazy breach
is it simming correctly?
Yes
lucid jackal
drifting fable
ive hit bis 3 weeks in a row now on my rogue
valid vault
will stick to seaforium then, sims like 20k less
warm marlin
huge belt
drifting fable
warm marlin
fk a delve belt
lucid jackal
fk a delve belt
I already have the nexus king belt
warm marlin
huge free crests for a ring?
hazy breach
Ring is fine by itself
uncut oriole
So my best simming trinket combo is netherprism and lily... Do I just hold netherprism till it's basically fully stacked before I use it in cd's?
hazy breach
But its obviously not a prism
hazy breach
So my best simming trinket combo is netherprism and lily... Do I just hold nethe...
Yes
And when you use prism you just dont use lily until next blades
uncut oriole
Okay that makes sense
junior light
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
signal moth
anyone have a coup de grace weakaura that just shows when its ready to use in text format? I need to shove that shit in front of my face lol, i think i saw someone in RWF have it but cant find it on wago
drifting fable
The vault is literally omega, 1/6 pants, or a socket
young roost
surely I take the dagger right?
vale pine
sure, the fight does not seem to be a dps wall
hazy breach
Fight isnt anything really
lucid jackal
My tier is over
wet robin
I know that atrophic can stack, but how does it specifically stack? Is it just additive?
hazy breach
Multiplicative
wet robin
Ok that was what I suspected ty
hazy breach
My tier is over
You should consider being luckier next tier
lucid jackal
Its been dogshit every tier of my entire life 👍
vale pine
Fight isnt anything really
it seems to be the #1 reaosn to fight auraupdater again ^^
hazy breach
Im assuming youre extending so youre not getting any reclear loot either
mellow burrow
Raidbots is down and I can't make this decision by myself wheres my robot 🙁
lucid jackal
Im assuming youre extending so youre not getting any reclear loot either
Uh 50/50 I think
mystic grove
cursed stone is good for sub?
mystic grove
lily is better right?
young roost
Raidbots is down and I can't make this decision by myself wheres my robot 🙁
I got the same dagger and tier legs and some shit haste neck
mellow burrow
I got the same dagger and tier legs and some shit haste neck
Last week I got that stupid haste mas neck out of HOA
Im leaning towards dagger cause I have champ nether and hero lily
young roost
Yeah that's the neck that's in mine
lucid jackal
So annoying how much worse the M+ vault is compared to the raid vault
hazy breach
Tier seems decently balanced but its still a bit curious that they havent done any tuning, not this week nor the previous
warm marlin
So annoying how much worse the M+ vault is compared to the raid vault
it is a bit weird they made the ilvl change
lucid jackal
it's about to be the 2nd time I've taken a dungeon track item
warm marlin
m+ vault loot feels like dog to take
mystic grove
2 dagger crafted, is a nice call ? my second dagger is champion
lucid jackal
I mean I like the change but
It's really frustrating when u are a serial, never get any good vaults until 10 weeks into farm
lofty skiff
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
celest juniper
How do you use double on use trinkets like Prism and Araz?
hazy breach
it is a bit weird they made the ilvl change
Inb4 they change the m+ row to be able to give higher ilvl if you do higher keys
hazy breach
How do you use double on use trinkets like Prism and Araz?
Rotate them with blades
mellow burrow
Yeah im just taking the dagger cause mines champ anyway, I just need a better passive trink
warm marlin
Inb4 they change the m+ row to be able to give higher ilvl if you do higher keys...
doubt
jagged rover
got myth chest from vault that I wanted. Only missing myth track tier legs now
shy minnow
Hello! I got myth lily, hero prism and hero antenna in my vault. Any ideas on what I should snatch up?
celest juniper
Rotate them with blades
Do you hit prism between CD's or just let it sit for 3min
sleek tide
how come during shadow dance there are times when I shadow strike but I dont get the charge to use Coup De Grace?
hazy breach
Do you hit prism between CD's or just let it sit for 3min
You only press them with blades
hazy breach
what is the overall best spec for mythic plus right now?
Unclear, theyre all good, play whichever you prefer
hazy breach
how come during shadow dance there are times when I shadow strike but I dont get...
Its not 100% on all strikes
Read the trickster tree
vale pine
what is the overall best spec for mythic plus right now?
just play what you like, sub is a lot of fun
topaz venture
what is the overall best spec for mythic plus right now?
from experience assa is great at aoe but shit on pure st unless funnel on bosses, but sub okayish at aoe but better at pure st than assas bleed build
sub feels a little more equal on both types of fights which is nice
vale pine
!guide
mortal bane
So the trinket is nice but the ring is BIS and may be my only chance at it. What you think?
vale pine
i don't like lilly, so i would probably take the ring
scenic plover
I believe you were asking what you needed to have for shadow blades correct?
Yes but i didnt understand what you are saying
vale pine
but lilly is rly good if you don't have prism
mortal bane
Ya tough decision but am leaning ring myself thanks.
high eagle
is prism really that big over lily?
Ya
vale pine
is prism really that big over lily?
yes, especially because you can let it stack for big burst
sturdy moat
is prism really that big over lily?
At max stacks it gives 54000 primary stat, the burst is quite nuts
pulsar hemlock
sturdy moat
the proc damage is also pretty good
graceful osprey
Yes but i didnt understand what you are saying
Ahh gotcha. For the shadow blades window, make sure you have at least one charge of Shadow dance and another charge about halfway. Then for symbols of death, have one charge ready and another charge close to being finished. And of course use it with Flagellation and trinkets
pulsar hemlock
graceful osprey
Wow, everyone is simming right now
hazy breach
At max stacks it gives 54000 primary stat, the burst is quite nuts
At maxed mythic its even 66.5k. Shit goes crazy
Their servers are not having a good day
celest ice
anyone able to look fast log to see if im making any major mistakes, other than forgetting to vanish and macroing sec + coldblood for comfort while im learning
graceful osprey
Opening my vault soon. Hoping for prism but ready to endure the worst
vale pine
never sim directly after reset ^^
sturdy moat
At maxed mythic its even 66.5k. Shit goes crazy
Its nice that only dks and rogues use it, i got mine loot counciled because nobody else wanted it
pulsar hemlock
We on that raidbots premium train
mystic grove
double crafted dagger is nice ? second dagger is champion
pulsar hemlock
Nah
wet robin
is there an accesible breakdown of how much dps value each of our talents give? Taking a look at survivability talents and can't discern how to read bloomallet talent scaling
pulsar hemlock
Offhand is worth very little
sturdy moat
is there an accesible breakdown of how much dps value each of our talents give? ...
You shouldnt have to sacrifice any DPS for survivability since all of the survivability talents are in the first gate
haughty mural
Its nice that only dks and rogues use it, i got mine loot counciled because nobo...
MM aswell I think
scenic plover
Ahh gotcha. For the shadow blades window, make sure you have at least one charge...
Ok but like i would need the info the other way round. Lets say i am in m+ going into a trash pull and i got dance and symbols ready, when do i not send them and what could i send?
wet robin
You shouldnt have to sacrifice any DPS for survivability since all of the surviv...
I'm more just experimenting and curious than anything. I don't have issues living in raid.
sturdy moat
I'm more just experimenting and curious than anything. I don't have issues livin...
Fade to nothing and exhilarating executing is all the survivability you get in the spec tree
wet robin
ephemeral bond
sturdy moat
exhilarating is the better of the two
wet robin
was curious what relentless strikes provides
limpid sage
Ok but like i would need the info the other way round. Lets say i am in m+ going...
1 charge symbols with 2nd being ~7 sec away, 35 sec till next dance charge
vale pine
double crafted dagger is nice ? second dagger is champion
offhand weapon is not that strong power level wise, so if you have a good mainhand its not that important
sturdy moat
relentless strikes is probably the biggest dps you can lose lol you literally will only be able to use finishers one time
wet robin
exhilarating is the better of the two
i know the bis setup, im just curious if there's a breakdown
limpid sage
If you don’t have that when cds come up, you either messed up by sending too much, or plan to hold cds for a bigger pull anyway
wet robin
relentless strikes is probably the biggest dps you can lose lol you literally wi...
yeah ok that makes sense
hazy breach
was curious what relentless strikes provides
Probably dont want to give up relentless strikes
wet robin
yeah its hard bad move, also loses strategem
graceful osprey
Ok but like i would need the info the other way round. Lets say i am in m+ going...
I think for M+ same rules still apply, when Flag is like close to 30s to being ready, just save your CDs. Could actually probably send 1 more shadow dance and symbols assuming the shuriken aoe generates max combo points but it’s probably too tight of a window
lilac stag
You need 1.5 dances and 1.4 symbols.
limpid sage
^ Ye you basically lose nothing by holding
lilac stag
Or just save with 30 on flag
limpid sage
If you get close to losing a charge of symbols/dance while holding, you can just send later
hazy breach
is there an accesible breakdown of how much dps value each of our talents give? ...
Like you can sim by just manually removing talents, but that gets kinda scuffed since a lot of the rotation is based on having those locked-in talents
wet robin
Like you can sim by just manually removing talents, but that gets kinda scuffed ...
Yeah I was thinking the same. nbd really
rain stratus
Cant get my CB/SecTech macro to work - Anyone else have that issue?
tepid trellis
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
indigo steppe
ring the move here?
I could use shoulders and hands but idk if I'll ever see this ring myth again
wise vortex
Can catalyst any armor piece so id say ring
rain stratus
Was the relog, thanks tho XD
shadow lance
thoughts on just double crafting daggers?
Trash idea
young roost
dagger only sims about 40k higher technically the legs are the better option but not sure if I will ever see another myth track dagger
mossy spear
is there ever a reason to hold dance charges in st?
void ocean
omg is raidbot being ddosed wtf is going on
plush roost
forge prepping
dont take anything till reclear mythic/heroic prepping lmfao
swift tinsel
yeah too many sims
void ocean
LET ME SIIIIIIIMMM
lilac stag
dont take anything till reclear mythic/heroic prepping lmfao
also not wrong
shadow lance
omg is raidbot being ddosed wtf is going on
lilac stag
i had helm with socket so it was ez take
lucid jackal
theyre mocking me
Better than my vault 
void ocean
tomorrow im gonna find mythic antenna in my vault and i wanna know now how much better it is
plush roost
Better than my vault <a:4Finger:670024281089900549>
yeah its insane but I wanted to take something right away now i have to WAIT for reclear grrr
high eagle
Does raid vault still only apply to bosses you've killed?
plush roost
my DOPAMINE
lofty skiff
do people have a macro to flaggelation and shadowblades together?
wise vortex
No
void ocean
i heard if u kill 3rd boss u automatically get 2nd boss in loot table as well
lilac stag
you do
jagged rover
Does raid vault still only apply to bosses you've killed?
you get the loot from the latest boss in the journal you've killed. If you kill plexus and then fractillus, your first vault slot will have all loot available up to fractillus (including soul hunters even if you didn't kill it)
void ocean
so since my guild killed 1st and 3rd mythic boss, here comes antenna
stray talon
champ>hero prism vs hero>myth chest in vault as m+ only player...hmmm
void ocean
fck chest
hazy breach
you get the loot from the latest boss in the journal you've killed. If you kill ...
And since this patch all items are also based on the ilvl of the latest boss you killed, instead of their base ilvl
lofty skiff
Less damage
how come
void ocean
also apparently ppl delay burst on Soulbinder for the adds
karmic harbor
And since this patch all items are also based on the ilvl of the latest boss you...
Oh wtf I didn't know that nice
vestal escarp
theyre mocking me
ez forge
turbid edge
deathless tazavesh run can give any item on the tazavesh loot table?
hazy breach
Yes
tepid trellis
yes
hazy breach
So for sub its largely just the tier pieces for catalysting youre after
Or maybe a crest save here and there
wispy crystal
can anyone suggest which trinket i should replace with the vault drops?
is the Mythic Anub one better than the heroic Priory?
atomic nacelle
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
mossy spear
do we always delay dance + symbols till secret tech is back up? in st?
turbid edge
So for sub its largely just the tier pieces for catalysting youre after
yeah i got the haste/mast dagger, which isnt terrible cuz of the ilvl.... but im going to do it again tonight and hoping for a tier cata slot
wispy crystal
can anyone suggest which trinket i should replace with the vault drops?
is the ...
Priory is not good for Sub since it doesnt line up well with our cooldowns right?
hazy breach
Correct
wispy crystal
Correct
Ty ! If you had to use a mythic track Anub trinket Vs heroic Lily which one would you prefer ?
tender kettle
If I already have a champ Prism and am using the 701 Delve belt
Should I take Hero Forgemasters and do double on use, or just take a myth Crit/Mast Belt
gilded ferry
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
gilded ferry
!fuu
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tender kettle
tyty
small hemlock
do i bp at 4 or 7 targets sorry
turbid edge
4
hazy breach
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
- Always cast Coup de Grace when it is ready, regardless of target count.
- Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
- At ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.
lofty skiff
7 or more
pulsar hemlock
Do the stat weapon enchants stack? Like double mastery
wispy crystal
- Always cast Coup de Grace when it is ready, regardless of target count.
- Blac...
Only exception to Not using black powder in 4+ targets, is if we wanna use Evis to kill priority targets right ?
hazy breach
Yes, but it generally doesnt matter much
wispy crystal
Black powder seems to do decent damage this time
hazy breach
Its not a huge prio difference either way, most of the prio damage comes from coup, sectech, and unseen blades
vale pine
a lot of our priority damage is in coup/secret so you don't lose that much using evis instead of bp
wispy crystal
Ahhhh right makes sense
If I have 2 combo points, with a coup proc. Do I build it to max before spending the coup ?
hollow spear
My feelycraft approach is to send the 2nd coup with whatever I got when I am outside of dances
(if I have unseen blade stacks)
wispy crystal
My feelycraft approach is to send the 2nd coup with whatever I got when I am out...
Ya sometimes I do that too. Like 2 combo coup when it procs
pulsar hemlock
My time spent in raidbots queue purgatory has led me to decide that I am going to quit wow and become a New World pvp streamer.
I believe this to be for the best.
turbid edge
!tea
wicked joltBOT
Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```does this one cast tea by itself? it casts it on first press or second press (for backstab)?
#Showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
turbid edge
it uses it on the first press?
lusty solar
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runic sinew
!guide
solid vale
is prism + antenna good for m+? or double on use
ocean night
So I just started playing my alt rogue and its been a bit since Ive played sub and I have my dance macroed with backstab and can't remember why. Is that fine all the time and is it for dance macabre?
vale pine
you use backstab as your first builder with premeditation in shadow ance
ocean night
Ah makes sense thanks
vale pine
it isn't that important in aoe
also its an optimization, so you can skip it initially and come back to it once familiar with the rotation
turbid edge
fuu how do i turn off the resizing of the plater frames when there are lots of targets? and why does the color change from green to purple somtimes?
solid vale
you use backstab as your first builder with premeditation in shadow ance
does it have to be backstab? or is shadowstrike fine
patent lichen
theyre mocking me
Not like this
vale pine
does it have to be backstab? or is shadowstrike fine
backstab
silk vessel
Can someone explain to me why this macro is not using cold blood?
#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique
turbid edge
ohhhh it makes non-important target frames smaller
hazy breach
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
fathom adder
using storm inside dance once to proc fw on all targets for bp is only a thing with rotten right?
hazy breach
Its not good with rotten either now with tier
Its obviously not horrible, but couldnt make it be a positive thing to do anymore in sims compared to using strikes and only using storm to save unseen blade stacks (so inbetween coups)
dull wigeon
Is Ritual Forge/Unyielding Netherprism way better than Lily/Netherprism, feel like im using 2 lily's in a row in keys alot to get my 18 stacks on 3rd blades. Worried I will have to do a naked blades on my 2nd of the key
left ledge
yes forge is just better
the only time prism wont be at 18 stacks is your first usage of it
forge - prism (~9 stacks) - forge - prism (~18 stacks) repeating
ofc with downtime in m+ you might be at 16 stacks or w/e
but you get what i mean
dull wigeon
yea i send over 15 eez what it eez
manic salmon
wheat elk
yall talkin about forge and nether im sittin here with pacemaker and lily 
ornate lake
waste 5 mins on dornogal dummies to get prism to 18 stacks
die on first pull of Floodgate with full CDs
fathom adder
@hazy breach thank you
hazy breach
Prism resets when you start a key anyway
limber knoll
what you guys crafting this week
ornate lake
Prism resets when you start a key anyway
No fucking way dude I think I saw prism at 18 stacks on first pull of floodgate
upbeat garden
!wa
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swift tinsel
what you guys crafting this week
ring probs
patent lichen
Ring for sure
slate lantern
pain
signal moth
within 3 seconds of a key opening its kinda funny
young roost
yes forge is just better
Even at hero level?
dense geode
left ledge
Even at hero level?
probably, lily just doesnt give much stats for your cds
young roost
Alright I will have to Sim again forgot I got forge last week
abstract dock
Do we use double on use with netherprism and Araz's ritual forge?
paper siren
Is there a right way to sim dungeon slice for Sub?
wild vine
Is there a right way to sim dungeon slice for Sub?
there is only one way to sim dungeonslice
paper siren
Is nightly better or weekly?
slate lantern
Do we use double on use with netherprism and Araz's ritual forge?
you can, both are pretty strong so it works
split garden
anyone have a netherprism tracker I can use?
ornate heron
do you lose netherprism stacks when the key starts?
vale pine
Is nightly better or weekly?
nightly is typically updated faster with hotfixes/etc
lucid jackal
guys another week no prism in the vault
Look at my vault bro
slate lantern
Look at my vault bro
hoary bloom
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sick basin
Hey so with sub I've seen some conflicting info. Wow head guide says send finisher 6+, I saw imexile was sending 5+ on his Dem kill, and some other sources say 5+. There is no major talent interaction that happens at 6 right? Like with DS it requires 5+ for mark to work in example.
It's just get as high as you can without wasting?
lucid jackal
https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-that-look-in-love-lip-bite-gif-13474129
last weeks as well
west tide
oh helll naurr
last gate
why trickester in raid instead of DS?
shadow lance
why trickester in raid instead of DS?
Cuz DS does less damages
vivid cobalt
i think deathstalker just sucks
loud nimbus
can you play without rupture on this spec? new to this. and it is confusing.
sick basin
can you play without rupture on this spec? new to this. and it is confusing.
Rupture is just free dmg, send it outside of dance windows
shadow lance
Why would you remove the best finisher CP/damages ?
worthy shale
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
lilac stag
because it’s not nearly as important in weekly level keys
vivid cobalt
what talents are you running here
shadow lance
what talents are you running here
Wowhead's one
bleak panther
!soup
shadow lance
You can see finality and tea are used
bleak panther
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.