subtlety

[ember hound]

Assuming you have fazed up and are full on combo points and sht

I guess cdr is prolly more important on the sec tech with double coup after

[dusk stone]

The guaranteed fazed from sectec is very important

You don't get stacks from coup without that debuff up

[ember hound]

yeah there is situations where you don't have fazed up

[hallow night]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[left ledge]

we're pushing adds on forge and my sectec is missing

[dusk stone]

Apparently according to this iv article sub is most played spec in keys? In 95th percentile yo you guys need to chill

We want these numbers to last

[left ledge]

its the fourth lowest log wise

so idk

[dusk stone]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/rogues-dominate-early-season-3-mythic-logs-two-more-classes-get-all-specs-in-top-10/

First picture

'Old king returns to it's throne' I am pumped for this season

[left ledge]

yeah that isnt how many people are playing it

thats just an average of key level and time to completion

[plush roost]

Yeah i just started doing finisher, dance, builder, sec tec on add spawns since it usually lines up nicely with them being brought back in

[chrome palm]

its peak

[strange chasm]

is this a personal note?

[tepid trellis]

Yes

[left ledge]

yeah

i might have to push a bit later

im getting almost 0 sectec on them now

like

[tepid trellis]

Depends on the cdr tbh. Just have to be 100% sure you get 2x dances in the amp

[torn storm]

i think i can get 1 dance at the start of intermission

[tepid trellis]

Think i did one aswell

[torn storm]

then big backstab gameplay

for 40 seconds

[ripe flame]

melee soup

[left ledge]

@tepid trellis how tf i make sure sectec hits forge adds

it seems so hard to get lmao

[plush roost]

Is your guild using binding/champ spears/ursols to keep them all in place after knock?

[left ledge]

yes

do i just have to delay

these adds are literally imploding

[plush roost]

Ye as soon as they bounce in i sec tec

depends on boss positioning too if boss is slightly inside the portal

its ez sectec

[maiden oar]

if i have 2nd soak in araz is the play to dance and then shadowstep in and out real quick eeven if i lose a dance global or 2x dance after soak

since the 1:17 adds spawn around then

[tame terrace]

does shadow techniques stacks go away on key start

[quaint lodge]

when u swap from fatebound to subtlety rogue

oops replied by acident

does anybody have a macro that doesnrt require me to restart

for cold blood st

[plush roost]

You have to relog theres no fixing it

[quaint lodge]

no spell id shenans work?

man fuck

[left ledge]

well

we killed

no forge trinket

[frozen lichen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left ledge]

couldve done way better

[half dragon]

so whats the story with the bubbling wax wep thing? does it work properly now or not?
heard something about having to reequip weps, seeing people on forgeweaver use it

[steel jolt]

you gotta go farm it which kinda sucks

[hidden pond]

hello, one question do we use blackpowder like finalization says? eviscerate-blackpowder-eviscerate ? also to generate combo points is always stab or shadowstrike?

I saw something about doing shuriken storm between coup of grace which i dont understand that well but that means u never use it or hardly use it outside that?

talking about m+ tho

and last question... do you use mastery buff in belt??

[strange chasm]

first dance has to be bad on araz right

since we hold for 20s

[coarse agate]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coarse agate]

!bp @hidden pond

err

!bp

[viral phoenix]

ecodome 10 sub damage goes crazy when things die at end of cds holy

honestly sub in m+ in general feels so fun rn

[hybrid compass]

anyone knows how to quickly add supercharger stacks to wa?

[lucid jackal]

Another one down

[topaz flicker]

[lucid jackal]

sub on soulhunter > sin

[wild hornet]

So is it better to wait for the 2nd dance before sending it or still cast cb sec in the tfd sdance if you're >= 1 sec left on sd

[wild hornet]

sub>sin you mean

[lucid jackal]

ya

[short radish]

Wahoo

Sub gang gang rise up

[winter ice]

Gz beast

[left ledge]

wall

[untold bone]

Do we use black powder at 4 target or above in SD?

[left ledge]

break

wall

break

[jagged rover]

played sub on soulbinder, got beat by our dev evoker who was padding harder than I was on the small sets

[left ledge]

wall break

[jagged rover]

only 7 mil dps

[wanton mantle]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[left ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-freak-out-crazy-wild-ahh-gif-15649052

[dusk stone]

Doing anything in particular?

[lucid jackal]

Playing the game

[quasi portal]

how is sub on m+ ?

[turbid peak]

guys

[lucid jackal]

good

[turbid peak]

the macro of the coold blood and the secret tec

[swift tinsel]

blasting, owning

[turbid peak]

did not work

why ?

[lucid jackal]

is it on ur stealth bar?

[turbid peak]

#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

is it right ?

[lucid jackal]

Did u put it on both your stealth bar and normal bar

[turbid peak]

ye its on both side

[untold bone]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[lucid jackal]

!cbbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.

[turbid peak]

ahaaaa

tnxx

[scarlet sky]

is having a sword in the off hand bad or is it okay?

[lucid jackal]

Extremely bad

[left ledge]

does fract

target rogues more

i actually cant touch this guy

[hybrid compass]

after the opener when i get to the point where i have like 1 SoD and no dance do I just hold the stacks or do I use them somewhere in the rotation?

[topaz flicker]

can sub nimble flurry spread poisons or only storm?

[dusk stone]

Just storm

[dusk stone]

It depends. You get dance cdr so if it's close you can wait, or you can symbols sectec. Keep in mind symbols and dance are mostly for cdr to line up for your cds while optimizing damage

[woeful wren]

Btw. Is there any reason u cannot have macro openers as seperate binds? Can fit in 2nd ST with CB during first dance with it

[woeful roost]

!tier

[wicked jolt]

Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

[hybrid compass]

okay and if im outside of shadow dance I just build cp with backstab yeah?

[untold bone]

When do we swap out rotten for finality? With the new 4p? I still see sub rogues using rotten in rio leaderboars

[lucid jackal]

Ppl like rotten for keys to spread fw it's less st for more aoe

It's a judgement call, up to u

[untold bone]

What did fw stand for? 😅

[lucid jackal]

Find weakness

[neon frigate]

Hey question, is the durable storage container bis? If better get some 720/723 item?

[lucid jackal]

Idk what Ur asking

[neon frigate]

Me :)?

[lucid jackal]

Yes

[wanton mantle]

the delve belt

[lucid jackal]

Oh, I think at max ilvl it falls off but

[neon frigate]

Haha sorry. I have 701 belt from delve. Is that a best in slot?

[lucid jackal]

Not literal bis but it's not worth replacing for awhile

[neon frigate]

I see. Thought so. Thank you 😉

[wanton mantle]

gonna take a big belt to replace it when simming for assass i needed to upgrade my hero belt with a socket to 707-710 depending

So for rupture in keys how many is to many, ik assass wants 5 for Scent of blood. looks like the opener in the guide goes for 4?

[dusk stone]

The amount necessary until all targets are grouped for aoe

[lucid jackal]

Rupture while grouping there's no hard number

Cd's are more important

[dusk stone]

Rupture gets Amps from all of our cds

[hybrid compass]

so tank gathers, you rupture all mobs u can, vanish -> opener?

[bleak night]

dont really have to vanish but can do it for funsies

[dusk stone]

It depends, sometimes you stab sometimes you storm for cp. Storm is also a gap closer if you leave melee distance, it spreads find weakness if talented and it builds full cp with big groups. But it's also really expensive when you don't have energy.

Stab builds flawless form, FW and is cheaper but only 1 target and the fw is condtional

[short radish]

Rupture while gathering. Once gathered send cds

Generally 2 ruptures is enough

Before pack is gathered

[dusk stone]

Why vanish?

[hybrid compass]

Dont you need to stealth so you can opener?

I mean as for me I understand that like I need to vanish but you probably shadow dance first?

[lucid jackal]

No

[short radish]

No

[dusk stone]

No. Dance gives stealth.

[short radish]

Just get full cp, flag rupture etc

[dusk stone]

You can and there's nothing wrong, but a lot of people use vanish for the first dance, you can use it as a gap closer if targeting is rough vanish + strike

[left ledge]

WALL

BREAK

WALL

BREAK

[dusk stone]

Congrats

[short radish]

Gzgzgz

[left ledge]

LOVE NOT BEING ABLE TO USE ANY OF MY CDS

GOOD BOSS

[dusk stone]

You guys are cooking tonight

[left ledge]

thanks

this boss is actually terrible

[dusk stone]

Why no cds? Just mechanics

[left ledge]

just -1mil dps because it cant stop giving me mechanics

because it knocks you back

and it just happens to line up with your cds

and you cant delay cds

because you can barely fit all of them

[short radish]

Just hold cds. Forever

[left ledge]

[dusk stone]

That would suck with prism

[left ledge]

it does suck

this fight is ass

[dusk stone]

Did you do soul hunters as sub or sin

[left ledge]

[thorn haven]

!cbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.

[magic laurel]

sub would be better

[tribal blade]

will the 1st boss of streets recast interrogation if you vanish it

[magic laurel]

yes

[short radish]

No

Wait or maybe you're supposed to cloak it

[magic laurel]

you're supposed to cloak it

[dusk stone]

Why would hybrid or cleave sin not be better?

I've heard all patch so far sin is better for hunters the sub stuff is new

[left ledge]

vanish will make it target someone else

or retarget you

[lucid jackal]

The bosses are just too insane to track mark and bleeds tbqh

And sub just does the same damage anyway

[magic laurel]

^

[lucid jackal]

Not worth the effort

[dusk stone]

Thank you

[left ledge]

did you finish soul guy

[lucid jackal]

Cuz u have to target 1 boss to kill it first, but then u have to swap mark during the intermissions

[magic laurel]

yeah

[lucid jackal]

and then u have to bleed everything

then they jump

[short radish]

Why didn't you outlaw on hunters guy

[lucid jackal]

then u dodge

[magic laurel]

we did frac in 5 pulls and soulhunters in 13

[lucid jackal]

its just too stupid

[lucid jackal]

Dont have outlaw gear

[left ledge]

is it a better experience than fractillus

[short radish]

F

[dusk stone]

Did you use the standard m+ build with tr or finality

[magic laurel]

@left ledge not really i had to immune soak twice during cds

[lucid jackal]

I play finality

[left ledge]

[magic laurel]

completely ruined my day

[dusk stone]

Think it's better?

[left ledge]

twice not bad though

fract fucked me 4 times

good boss

[short radish]

This raid feels so anti melee it's not funny anymore

[dusk stone]

It does

[magic laurel]

oh i was sin for frac

[left ledge]

yeah

i was sin too

i press kingsbane

BREAK

[magic laurel]

so its wasnt that bad other than i missed my last set of cds

[left ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-freak-out-crazy-wild-ahh-gif-15649052

[short radish]

Also anti sub because we're forever frontstabbing

[magic laurel]

i even tried prepotting like 10s before pull

[left ledge]

i just didnt bother

[magic laurel]

to try to fit the last pot in

[left ledge]

fk it dude

[dusk stone]

You never got fw on frac from stab?

[left ledge]

you cant proc FW from stab on fract

its not possible

[dusk stone]

Cancer

[left ledge]

you just play sin

sub is terrible ST

[dusk stone]

Yeah ig

[left ledge]

NOT LIKE IT MATTERS

WHEN YOU GET BREAK

ON EVERY KB

HAHA

[short radish]

[dusk stone]

Gl on saladbar

[magic laurel]

salad bar feels terrible

with no forge

it feels bad to send a naked blades without trinkets

idk

[dusk stone]

That big to have double on use for the fight?

[soft stone]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[clever delta]

It do not make me happy that on second week of raid bosses die in couple pulls

[left ledge]

real

def not a log bug

[lilac stag]

I was miserable tonight.

I miss fun.

[bleak night]

[dusk stone]

Is there something you guys do specifically to fix the fps issue In raid

Hunters was legit 12 fps

[lilac stag]

don’t use elvui

[dusk stone]

Think I fixed a chunk of it but not enough

[bleak night]

i havent been having any fps issues

i know a lot of people have though

none of the ones i know have fixed it lmao

[dusk stone]

Like what settings do you run, potato or?

[lilac stag]

make sure the video card isn’t caked in dust

[bleak night]

no my settings in raid are just normal

i think i did the quazii settings stuff at one point but honestly i dont remember if its even still set that way

[lilac stag]

Do the Quazii video optimizations

[dusk stone]

Thanks I forgot about that

[half dragon]

so whats the story with the bubbling wax wep thing? does it work properly now or not?
heard something about having to reequip weps, seeing people on forgeweaver use it, is it better or not, and is the bug fixed?

[dusk stone]

My cards a bit old but every other game I have is like 100 fps so idk wow is also cpu bound no?

[lilac stag]

Wow just sucks

Raids over 20 are awful

Watch the RWF pulling 35-40 fps on their machines.

fucking shit ass game

[dusk stone]

That's helpful

Yeah old mmos are shit like that cause cpu bound

Swtor was bad like that

[half dragon]

i mean wow engine is old af aswell

[dusk stone]

They run off of like 2 cores typically so it's hilarious they are advertising the 9900xt or w/e from amd with like 16

[lilac stag]

Way more spaghetti than anything else at this point

[half dragon]

a great example is them having to spend 2 expansions working out how to increase general bag slots

because of the spaghetti code

and they still broke stuff

[stoic pier]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[short radish]

Bring me back to undermine

We were blessed with gallywix

[lilac stag]

We were

[dusk stone]

Also priory feels much more competitive for sin vs sub

[lilac stag]

I hate all the void shit

I miss wacky raid fun times

where is my water slide

[dusk stone]

Undermine was cool I liked the vibe, was kind of a bad story to start raiding on tho

[lilac stag]

starting to play wow was mistake number 1

now you’re trapped

[short radish]

Picking a rogue to main was mistake number 2

[dusk stone]

I'm enjoying it I missed doing high end content in mmos

Doing sale runs undergeared in 8 man raids and making shit die cause your locked in is where it was at

[half dragon]

imagine picking, i got forced into it

[dusk stone]

You say that but sub is great this tier for keys

[lilac stag]

Between lag and system freezes this was not a fun week of “hobby” time.

[short radish]

Our raid buff is optional. No one should be forced into it

[dusk stone]

Also warrior seems like it's ass

[lilac stag]

You’ll learn sooner or later.

[dusk stone]

Wdym

[lilac stag]

I’ll let you be surprised.

History tends to repeat itself here

[wanton mantle]

tbh i havent ever played sub since they reworked it ages ago always outlaw or assass. So learning sub currently is kinda wild haha

[dusk stone]

That were not allowed to be good?

The thought crossed my mind

[lucid jackal]

even when sub is good scath will complain about sub

[short radish]

We are still paying for the sins of zul in bfa

[dusk stone]

I hear that

[lilac stag]

even when sub is shit guy will simp blizzard and say how awesome rogue is.

🤝

[lucid jackal]

Good thing sub isn't shit rn

[dusk stone]

Idk thats how I felt at the start where stuff was so rough being decent feels like being broken, but I am not losing much in 10's and 11's

Only to dhs and locks usually

[short radish]

When was the last time 3 or more rogues were brought to a fight?

[dusk stone]

Dunno prob long time

[lilac stag]

Having 2 was a shocker

[lucid jackal]

amirdrasil

[short radish]

Oh yeah i keep forgetting about smold

Wait or was it also on tind and fyeakk

[lucid jackal]

It was literally the entire raid

[dusk stone]

I do feel like the trinket is too strong, isn't frost suppose to be strong? I've lost to like 1 so far

[lucid jackal]

rogue was absurdly OP that tier

[short radish]

Orly

[lucid jackal]

Everybody played 2

[short radish]

Shows how much attention i paid to that tier

[lucid jackal]

we played 3

Rogue was turbo OP

I mean even this tier, is easily a double rogue tier

other than soul hunters and fractillus

[left ledge]

fractillus triple sub rogue

[lucid jackal]

Rogue turbo OP on forge, saladar and dimensius

[dusk stone]

Why no double rogues then?

[lucid jackal]

Uh cuz WF didnt want to play double rogue

[dusk stone]

Just rtwf stuff?

[lucid jackal]

But You can easily play double rogue

we are for example

even on the bad rogue fights

[dusk stone]

We are too

[left ledge]

ngl im still confused as to what the strength of sub is on dimensius

[dusk stone]

I was gonna say if enrage wasn't a problem liquid should double sub for platforms

On purple man

[wanton mantle]

I'm so used to spending combo points on 5 i keep burning finishers on 5 instead of 6 whoops 🤣

[dusk stone]

18 stack platforms?

[short radish]

Burst damage without needing blood-lust or something

[dusk stone]

The add has a lot of hp

[short radish]

Isn't that always subs niche

Big dick dam at demand

[left ledge]

are you able to even send cds on both platforms

i havent watched

[dusk stone]

It's more atm too with moving damage around with trinket

You prob can't flag both but I'm not certain but shamans can't ascend either so idk

[lilac stag]

Fury on Queen until they sent it to the farm.

[left ledge]

yeah

i guess i need to see how much sin does on platforms

vs sub

because i think sin gets to kb both

[dusk stone]

Just run two and designate one for each or something if enrage isn't bad

There's damage Amp in p3

No hard check in p1 right?

[left ledge]

yeah you def want flag blades up for p3 if you run sub

so i dont think it can get sent on second platform

[dusk stone]

Double dance outside of cds is more impact full this tier

Can juice it with trinket if needed too

[left ledge]

you def dont trinket your non cd dances

[dusk stone]

I hope we don't get nerfed into the ground, I actually feel like I will be able to do good keys this season

[left ledge]

i dont think you need to worry about sub being nerfed lmao

[plush roost]

Sub being nerfed when ele mage warlock exisy

[dusk stone]

Prism is allowing us to do 60m on some packs and we're all posting us dumpstering people

[plush roost]

XD

[left ledge]

just wait until the eles all get mythic antenna

[wanton mantle]

that would be absolutely wild

[left ledge]

then tell me if you think that still

[dusk stone]

Fair

[plush roost]

As keys get higher assa will edge out sub

[left ledge]

also especially early in season

sub gets its power way earlier

[plush roost]

Sub always good early, every season

Was slamming up till 18s last season then falloff

[left ledge]

yeah sin will probably take over high end keys at some point

[plush roost]

Only good in theatre and mech, and sin still trumped it

[left ledge]

but sub is def looking better this season than last

[dusk stone]

Are we not particularly strong I. Keys this season? I see eleem taking about us doing very very very good damage in here

[left ledge]

yeah sub is pretty strong in keys

just not nerf worthy really

[plush roost]

If for some reason boss dps becomes a real issue, sub may have its uses. Like streets and db maybe

[dusk stone]

It is a wild experience

[plush roost]

But almost every dungeon can pull funnel onto bosses and then assa weakness is gone and you just have a better spec overall

[dusk stone]

I started sub last season, had to work to even be 2nd and now it's not hard at all

Funnel is strong yeah

I'm just seeing like 14mil in-between flags. It feels so good

St feels bad

[left ledge]

ST in dungeons sub is maybe one of the best specs in the game for it

because you barely sacrifice any talents

other specs have to sacrifice quite a bit of ST for aoe

[dusk stone]

Well. It doesn't feel as good maybe is better

But I get beaten more on boss dmg than anything and that isn't that common either ig

If we give our sin funnel the math is a little diff

But I also enjoy adds

[plush roost]

Biggest problem with sub is it actually kills funnel haha

[left ledge]

^

if you have any funnel specs

[dusk stone]

Yeah can't have my sin rogue getting out of control

[left ledge]

they will not like sub rogues

[plush roost]

Play with havoc and oops all your funnel died

[dusk stone]

Havoc is really good this season

[plush roost]

Season is fairly balanced rn

[dusk stone]

Do we have any inklings of what the meta is?

[hollow snow]

cold blood macro

[left ledge]

probably going to be one of the rogues, arcane, and dh or dk

maybe ele in some comps

but i doubt

maybe warlock somewhere in there

you're def going to want a funnel spec just because of how many bosses you can pull shit onto

[dusk stone]

We will maybe run something like havoc sin sub prot war resto

Mostly those things out of preference

If sub isn't garbo I want title this season

[left ledge]

how long is amp on dimensius

did exile just miss the amp

[bleak night]

[wanton mantle]

Sorry pry noob question, black powder during CD's basicly replaces evis as spender and we kinda just deal with not getting coup procs till it slows down or we have less targets? sort of the same prio outside CD's guess i'm just a lil lost on black powder.

at 4+targets

[swift tinsel]

you still get coups bc you're striking in dance

[wanton mantle]

ahh that would be my missing piece, i kept using Shurikan storm still in assass brain xD

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

In dance u strike and then Coup>BP

If you have to dodge sth use storm to maintain uptime and apply fw

[wanton mantle]

right i just hit some dummies and it all felt way better than when i was using storm for CP

[clever delta]

Seems like last boss is real boss of season

Method fairly behind sadge

[steel zinc]

Cp isn't everything

[steel zinc]

Yeah true endboss

Kinda expected first 6 are kinda loot piniada. I don't except my guild to have any 3 digit pulls on any of those fights

We had on oab

[clever delta]

Im normal King now, got normal prism boots and forge

[steel zinc]

Forge big for add fights

And m+

[clever delta]

Got it from tww quest

[steel zinc]

Big gz

I got a belt

[tribal blade]

i'm doing it

[swift tinsel]

had to settle for pvp trinket, no prism drop

[tribal blade]

sub rogue is back

so back

[swift tinsel]

hell yeah

also

[clever delta]

Wonder if i get invited now

[steel zinc]

It's fun in keys and if you pug the better spec for sanity

[vale pine]

nicuuu

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

took almost 2 hours to get trinket bc people kept fucking up the shards/timers

but I'm finally out of HoC jail

[vale pine]

nice

[short radish]

Welcome back

[bleak night]

catching up to lashga

[swift tinsel]

also sub feels so good in raid its kinda crazy

outside fractillus

I'm having so much fun on Soulbinder and Araz

and keys are a joy

[bleak night]

im gonna try sub on soulbinder next week

i want to steal as much pad from people as possible

[swift tinsel]

only on hc atm but holding cds for add spawns just torches them

[tribal blade]

haha nice

[swift tinsel]

now that i have a decent on-use I'm pumped to get back at it

hopefully manifesting hero track prism in vault

[short radish]

Same. I hope we dont kill araz this week (we wont) so i have more heroic vault sockets

[steel zinc]

If your guild has 2 rogues you should play double rogue on king

It's the best melee spec for that fight

[swift tinsel]

I'm the only pve rogue in the guild

kekw

[steel zinc]

And 99.9% of guilds don't have 3 mages

[swift tinsel]

only other max-level rogue we have is someone's pvp alt lol

[short radish]

We have 3 mage and 3 warlocks somehow

[steel zinc]

That's cooked

We have everything double except dh and dps shaman

[short radish]

Every guild struggling to keep one warlock, meanwhile we've had 3 since shadowlands

[swift tinsel]

we had a ton of people swap this tier

[keen dome]

If midnight is adding 3 new class points, but no new class talents.. We can take CB and Tea. What a fun future.

[short radish]

One of the mage also wants to be the 4th warlock

[steel zinc]

But the raid while I was hoping is kinda made for sub

[swift tinsel]

I'm curious how sub apex talents will shape up

[keen dome]

Same

[steel zinc]

Also nimble flurry pretty much made outlaw a none raid spec. Since sub has everything that outlaw was once the best at.

[bleak night]

or its one point per tier on the tree and you get to take shadowheart

[short radish]

Shadowheart now applies to shadow dance and subterfuge modifiers

[bleak night]

[keen dome]

OH NO

Eh still good

[steel zinc]

They are or just guessing?

[keen dome]

Here’s how the talent points will be distributed:
3 points for the class tree, although no new talents will be added there.
3 points for Hero talents, which will introduce a brand-new talent line.
4 points for the specialization tree, where the new “apex” talents will appear. Of these:
2 will enhance existing abilities
1 will modify an ability entirely```

It could change, though.

Wonder if it means some classes can finally take their kick without dropping anything else

[steel zinc]

Cool nice

[swift tinsel]

yea almost guaranteed we just take vigor+tea

or lethality+cb if you're already tea

[keen dome]

ye

[steel zinc]

I just hope we get a rework of our spec capstone.

[keen dome]

Same. I hope they rework Goremaws and stuff.

But comedy option is our apex does shit to goremaws and we never take it

[steel zinc]

Yeah goremaws is bad. I hope the apex thing is sth like DFA

[swift tinsel]

If they're adding a tier below them I'd really, really hope that means our spec tree is getting adjusted

wishlist is 4pc added to hero tree

[keen dome]

But nah 99% it's gonna be around SecTec

[vale pine]

sounds complicated

[keen dome]

I don't think so

[vale pine]

hm

[keen dome]

3 talent points to class tree but no new talents = more flexibility for most classes
3 new hero talent points = you take everything anyway, can smooth out most hero trees with qol changes
4 talent points to new spec tree = who knows, but it's an easy way to add modularity or fix issues by modifying stuff

[swift tinsel]

the 'enhanced' talents are probs gonna be throwaways

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

the modify will affect Dance or Sectech

mayyyyyybe blades

[keen dome]

The only part that is worth thinking about, imo, is: 4 points for the specialization tree, where the new “apex” talents will appear. Of these: 2 will enhance existing abilities 1 will modify an ability entirely

[swift tinsel]

but I have a feeling that'll be affected by an enhanced talent

which would be cool bc we don't have any talents that directly modify blades

[vale pine]

tea + cold blood at the same time

hmm

[swift tinsel]

unlike most specs in the game besides outlaw

[vale pine]

we literally can't take anything else

vanish node is ded

[swift tinsel]

yeah we're kinda locked in the class tree with those 3

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

Unless they do something crazy with Wound Poison

OR

make it so you can spec into both choices in a choice node

elusiveness AND cheat

imagine a world

[steel zinc]

I go left for slow rn on aza prog

[keen dome]

Nah, spaghetti

I think it'll just be CB + Tea for us

[steel zinc]

Idk left side is fine imo

[keen dome]

On some other classes I think it'll mean they can take their kick / utility.

[swift tinsel]

yeah it makes the most sense

[cursive vapor]

guys when can i craft 720 dagger? i need gilded crests right?

[swift tinsel]

and its 3 points

[steel zinc]

Whole class tree isn't bad for rogue imo

[steel zinc]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

60 gilded

and 1 spark

[keen dome]

What if it modifies Gloomblade

lmao

[swift tinsel]

oh man

or lingering

fades by 1.4% per second instead of 2.8

really smoothing out that damage curve lmao

[bleak night]

That's an enhancement not a modification

We can get more cursed that that

If we put our minds to it

[swift tinsel]

gloomblade buffs your target with Remove Weakness, making your abilities do 30% less damage

[keen dome]

Outlaw get to add 1 target count to Balde flurry

callingi t now

[swift tinsel]

and coverts 100% of your damage to physical

on top of the 30%

[bleak night]

Op mystic touch value

[steel zinc]

As said here the current tierset should be baseline as hero talent

It's so nice

[keen dome]

Ye

Agreed

[swift tinsel]

ye its a design layup

[steel zinc]

Like the feel is insane

[swift tinsel]

the lowest-hanging fruit

[bleak night]

Yeah if double coup isn't the new capstone we shut down the discord

[swift tinsel]

AS LONG AS THEY CHANGE THE WAY EB STACKS

for FUCKS sake

[bleak night]

They wont

[young roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak night]

[keen dome]

maybe that'll be on the new talent line

"You can gain +2 UB stack"

[swift tinsel]

one of the lateral nodes

[keen dome]

Since we're getting a new line of 3

[swift tinsel]

that would be really, really nice

[keen dome]

So it'll just be like this

Or

[steel zinc]

Tbh idm it that much

[keen dome]

Like this?

[swift tinsel]

this is what I'm expecting

a row below

[keen dome]

Yeah, makes more sense.

What if

The strangest one

Hey it makes a spaceship

[swift tinsel]

or just a straight line down from the coup node lol

[bleak night]

Yeah I expect a straight line ngl lmao

[keen dome]

Ah, the tadpole design

[bleak night]

Little bit of a dangle off the end

[swift tinsel]

I'll be watching saturday if its not when I'm at work

idk I'm hopeful this is the impetus for actually taking a deeper look at our spec tree and fixing the shit nodes

instead of tacking on three new nodes that are just kinda there

[short radish]

[keen dome]

To me the 3 extra class points is a really good way to fix class flex isssues so I hope so

Because right now some classes don't take a kick, and this should mean they still don't take a kick but could.

[swift tinsel]

the fact every class doesn't have a baseline kick is wild to me

[keen dome]

Ye it's a huge design failure imho

[vale pine]

question is

will midnight be

[swift tinsel]

it makes some solo content just really, really, really bad

[keen dome]

Every class should have a baseline kick that works the same depending on melee / ranged.

[vale pine]

the expansion where we get the sylvanas dagger effect instead of goremaws

[swift tinsel]

oh man

if

[keen dome]

PRAY

[swift tinsel]

only

[keen dome]

HOPE

[swift tinsel]

if EoN makes it into our spec tree

[keen dome]

That should just be our alpha feedback and suggestions.

[swift tinsel]

I will be beyond happy

[keen dome]

Plz add EoN

(Not to the DS tree you criminals)

[swift tinsel]

yeah they can leave DS on the cutting room floor

which sucks bc thats our potential funnel tree with our jank aoe kit

kekw

[steel zinc]

Could be sth like a poison you apply to your dagger

Sub only

[keen dome]

I really hope they're just three points on top but thinking about it, I bet it'll be 1 point per 'gate' area.

[steel zinc]

I mean that's already a power creep

The issue early on in the expansion is we have literally 0 good gear.

No tier no trinkets and then with that gear go m+ and raid

[keen dome]

Ye

Season 1 is always the hardest.

[steel zinc]

Yeah I think the talents can fix that

[keen dome]

Agreed

[steel zinc]

But 100% are some tiersets this tier test of what hero talent stuff can be added baseline

[keen dome]

But in a lot of casses, it should hopefully help address the utility v damage concessions.

[steel zinc]

Like the havoc throw glaive stuff

[keen dome]

Fatebound has to be, right

[steel zinc]

Idm if fatebound stays this way. Shit in mass aoe and perma cleave and very good st

Also easy way to play rogue

[tulip gorge]

if they add new hero talents surely they will fix rogue's

[vale pine]

yes

[steel zinc]

If they fix the bugs and rework deathstalker rogue is fine

Trickster is very poor fantasy wise but great gameplay wise

Also brings sub online in any sort of cleave

People forget df where playing sub on 2-3 target cleave was just trolling

[keen dome]

Ye

[steel zinc]

Kurog says hello

[keen dome]

M+ as well, where 2 - 3 target pulls sucked

One guy? great

More than 3 guys? great

2 guys? alright afk

[steel zinc]

Yup and now we are the God of cleave

Outlaw is done

On hunters we play sub

[magic laurel]

is there a way to input into sims to play around double on use for sub? and if yes what do i input ( forge + prism )

[plucky parrot]

[magic laurel]

[magic laurel]

trinket check

[plucky parrot]

Is that N?

[magic laurel]

H

[plucky parrot]

yuge

[west tide]

hey i need someone smart

so u know that liquidarmory site what does it mean when its liquid geneerated profile

they got their own apl or wha

[left topaz]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[steel zinc]

Nice!

How many pulls fractilus? We should be their Monday

[magic laurel]

5 - 10

we almost 1 shot it

someone prepulled and we just went with it

and got it down to 2.1%

[flint tartan]

whats the off piece?

[slim idol]

I know I'm not supposed to macro shadow dance and symbols together, but can someone help me understand why?

It seems as if macroing symbols into shadow dance saves me a keystroke during my burst windows, and so long as I also have symbols bound separately I see little downside

is it just for delaying the symbols on the second shadow dance?

If so, can't I just have a separate keybind for that dance w/o symbols macro'd?

[random comet]

If you bind them separately then yeah sure but now you have 3 binds when you only need 2 so ???

Just put them close enough you can hit them together easily

[slim idol]

I'm just a boomer, I guess

[haughty mural]

What about your inbetween dances with Coup ready ?

[slim idol]

are you implying that I wouldn't want to use symbols there?

[haughty mural]

Or second sectech within first dance with tfd opener

I am implying that you often adjust your symbols

[slim idol]

right, I said 'with symbols bound separately'

this isn't to take the symbols button away, just make it easier for my boomer ass to hit 3 buttoms within a single gcd during the opener

[haughty mural]

Ok

[steel zinc]

Shoulder 2nd boss

[steel zinc]

So little more difficult then sentinal

[golden lark]

Why is The First Dance chosen over Weaponmaster even in raid? 🤔

[random comet]

The robot worked it out

[rapid forum]

how does first dance work in raid

just for your first dance every encounter?

or does vanish trigger it too?

[steel zinc]

Under ~6min tfd is better

[steel zinc]

No but in m+ during trash

[rapid forum]

ah oke, then i dont use in raid atleast for now

currently most encounters take longer i think

[steel zinc]

You do

[rapid forum]

why

[steel zinc]

Because like soul hunter you do the most dam during the opener when all 3 are stacked

Highly depends on fight

And wm doesn't work in aoe

[lusty epoch]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[rapid forum]

ye thats a better answers, thanks! 😄

was fixated too much on the ~6min

[steel zinc]

Sub is about planing a fight.

Like forgemaster you can use cds on pull or first add set.

And therefore do dmg to different progress points

You can see that also in the mythic logs

When flag is used

[ivory dome]

Is secert tech / cb macro broken for any1 else

[steel zinc]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[steel zinc]

!cb bug

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[steel zinc]

When you switch from fatebound to sub

Cb doesn't work

Just relog

[ivory dome]

ah

tyy

[steel zinc]

Np

I did an entire handmade taza without cb

[tulip perch]

hello, out of curiosity how do you personnaly bind SD, Symbols, ST and CB but since we cant macro I seek inspiration. Had previously a "shadow dance + symbols + backstab" and "secret tec + cold blood" macros 😅

[steel zinc]

You don't Macro it

You Macro dance and bs. Another keybind for just dance

[vale pine]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[fierce minnow]

does finality buff coup?

[lusty epoch]

second coup is also minimum 6cp or always 7?

[tepid trellis]

6+

[hardy agate]

Hi, i early on commited to assa but would love to play sub on some encounters/keys. How troll is it. playing sub with 4k vers?

[tepid trellis]

not that bad

only stat you want as little as, as possible is haste

[hardy agate]

okay. trying to get rid of some of my 15k haste
But its just farming rings+neck for me, that combined is 14k haste for me

[stoic pier]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[cursive vapor]

!burst

[dusk stone]

can someone post me the TR m+ build so i can have it for reference

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[dusk stone]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[proper slate]

!MACRO

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[clever holly]

If I have coup ready and dance + sod ready do I

Dance>coup>symbols>bs>sectec>coup

So second coup gets supercharged or does it not matter?

[deep lake]

Hey everyone, I have the seaforium and house of cards from last season, and I just got the unyielding netherprism, I guess i have to go with seaforium+netherprism now? Because of the on use trinket cooldown. Also, should I always/only use netherprism with Shadow Blades? Or is there another usage of the trinket?

[stoic pier]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west socket]

I'm new to rogue. Why do i see some rogues using sec tech before shadowblades?

[tribal blade]

yes you only ever use prism with flag+blades

never outside that

[deep lake]

Thanks!

[tribal blade]

you can use blades at the same time as sectec in your 1st dance, it's fine

it's just that the initial dmg sectec does isn't that big

the clones which hit later deal the big hits

[west socket]

ty!

[obtuse sundial]

Sub vs Assassin for M+ pushing. Is Assassin still king? ST kinda weak on a lot of the bosses.

[tribal blade]

it's a small optimization, it's totally fine to just press blades and sectec together

[tribal blade]

sub is better now

i forgot what it's like to play a meta spec, these keys feel piss easy

deleting bosses off the face of the earth has a lot of value

i've been running a lot of high ST comps, like sub+fury+fdk

feels like breezing through bosses has been making timers super lenient

got to the last boss of 16 gambit today with over 8 mins left on the timer

[lone linden]

a lot of these keys you can pull a pack ontop of the boss and nimble flurry it down for extra time save too

[fierce minnow]

do the clones use the stats when they spawn or when you press sectec?

[tribal blade]

yeah nimble does a lot of dammy in cds

[tribal blade]

i can't remember the exact timing, but you need to press blades before the 1st clone hits within some fraction of a second

[fierce minnow]

and trinket?

[tribal blade]

i've been using it that way along with blades yes, but that might not be correct tbh

i haven't looked into it deeply yet

considering the buff lasts 20 secs

[fierce minnow]

cause fu´s wowhead guide has trinket and blades together before you hit sectec

thats why i am asking, since you said you press blades after sectec?

[tribal blade]

sorry wasn't clear, press blades immediately after you press sectec

so the clones benefit from blades

[fierce minnow]

ye that was clear

but i was about the snapshotting part

[tribal blade]

yeah the clones will take anything you press before they hit

like trinket and blades

they'll be amped by it

[fierce minnow]

so they "spawn" in technically after you press sectec in a second instance

and gain bonusses independently

and arent linked to sectec initial hit "stats"

thats what you are saying

[sly walrus]

Can I talk about private servers on here?

[tribal blade]

yeah precisely

[fierce minnow]

i doubt private servers are on the same patch we are

[sly walrus]

Well I’m completely new to rogue. I’m playing on a wrath client with tbc talents.

[fierce minnow]

well then you are wrong in here

[sly walrus]

Oh okay

I was told just to join the rogue discord if I had questions. All good 👍

[fierce minnow]

this is neither wrath nor tbc or whatever random private stuff you play... this discord is for retail live server. there is #classic-discussion for official classic servers

[sly walrus]

Thank you for letting me know

[fierce minnow]

your rogue probably functions vastly different than our rogue today

[tight monolith]

in keys, you kinda need forge+prism if double on use gonna be worth right or? "only" got prism atm

[tepid trellis]

correct

[fringe palm]

forge is op

[upper narwhal]

Never gonna convince my loot council that I need both lmao

[plucky parrot]

just give up your claim to antenna and you have a chance

more people need antenna than forge anyways

[fringe palm]

tell them every rogue plays both

[upper narwhal]

I will never give up my claim to antenna

I want all the loot

(Already have heroic boots and prism I am not getting shit)

[tribal blade]

good call, putting in my guild's dropto channel that i could use forge as sub

it'll be hard to get though because it's such a hard bis for other specs

[fringe palm]

refresh your audit sim with 90% miss chance on antenna so it looks good

[tribal blade]

haha

did i hear forge isn't reflected well in sims

[deep lake]

How do you play around the prism+forge? Since you can't use them together

[tribal blade]

yeah it's -2.2% in my heroic sim

[vale pine]

forge first, then antenna

[fringe palm]

/use 13
/use 14

[vale pine]

you just stack antenna up

[tribal blade]

pop forge on 1st cd set

then prism on 2nd

then rotate like that

sound like it makes sub absolutely nuclear in cds

[plucky parrot]

your 4th cd set is where it really shines

since you'll naturally have 18 stacks of prism

[tribal blade]

how many prism stacks do you have on 2nd cd set

[fringe palm]

9

[tribal blade]

doing that

[plucky parrot]

only 9

[tribal blade]

ah yeah

[deep lake]

Oh right, I wasn't thinking about the prism stacks

[plucky parrot]

since you only have 1.5m to build

[tribal blade]

math is hard

i've been playing around with holding prism and cds before bosses in keys

and going absolutely to the moon on some bosses on pull

[plucky parrot]

yeah double on-use honestly feels fantastic in keys once you get halfway in

going nuclear every other pull feels real nice

[tribal blade]

i think having very high ST to make bosses go faster might actually be a healthier way to make keys go faster

than the super high aoe comps that take forever to kill bosses

[plucky parrot]

it's sub's main niche over sin for the bosses you can't drag funnel onto

[tepid trellis]

i almost got it on mythic last night, was between me and a feral, i was about to be BIG UP!

[tribal blade]

considering it's easier to brick keys on bosses

[fringe palm]

you hate to see it

[plucky parrot]

surely in vault

[fringe palm]

had to buy mine in a normal pug

[tepid trellis]

i got it from nm

[plucky parrot]

same

will probs be a while for mythic as I think it'll go to our spriest first

[tepid trellis]

think i need to redo some keybinds tho, havent used 2x on-use since like SL

[plucky parrot]

since it's turbo bis for them

[fringe palm]

yeah its awkward af im so not used to it

[plucky parrot]

yea last time I remember playing double on-use was smold

with branch

[fringe palm]

but cant macro on every fight because timings/uses change

[tepid trellis]

branch was a bit diffy

cuz you pre pop it alot

[plucky parrot]

true

[tepid trellis]

this you kinda wanna smack it on your sectech

[vale pine]

losing a trinket role against feral, oof

[tribal blade]

god i hated branch so much

[tepid trellis]

i gained 40k he gained 41k he won the roll

all is fair

[tribal blade]

using it on the totem boss in atal dazar was so bad

[fringe palm]

numbers to compare between specs

[vale pine]

41 vs. 40k is very close

you get it next time for sure

[fringe palm]

atleast hes going to delete next boss for you now

[tepid trellis]

yup

and just passenger princess until nexus king

im*

[shadow lance]

Could you not just bind both on same?

[fringe palm]

are you sub otping or assa on fractillus

[tepid trellis]

not really

prism has a 20sec cd

[shadow lance]

Yes but like thi

[tepid trellis]

and sometimes they will both be off cd

and you want to use a specfic one

[shadow lance]

#showtooltip
/use 13
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 14

[fringe palm]

you can macro forge>prism most of the time

[shadow lance]

13 is the 2m

14 is the prism

Should be one then the other?

[tepid trellis]

and then you do forgeweaver and you cant xDDDDD

cuz both prism and forge is rdy for last burn

[shadow lance]

Oh

You need to old for last burn?

[fringe palm]

thats why i said most of the time

[tepid trellis]

im probably just gonna do some cheeky mousebinds for it i think

[keen dome]

I just demacro'd Nether and am hitting it natty

[shadow lance]

And wich one you wanan use?

[tepid trellis]

i just have em natty bound atm

[keen dome]

I wasn't sure on it, but after doing one key I realized having them macro'd sucked 'cos sometimes you wanna sit on the Netherprism but send cd's.

[tribal blade]

@tepid trellis are there any changes on when to pop prism/forge during cds

[keen dome]

It's a really fun trinket to play around

[shadow lance]

I got a solo blades somewhere on my spellbar

[tepid trellis]

nah just on sectech with blades

[tribal blade]

cool cool

[shadow lance]

But I use it only in raid

When I wanna hold for big burn

[slate marlin]

can we evasion the soak in post master boss?

[shadow lance]

You can't cos

That's all I know

[tribal blade]

used to be able to, not sure if it still works

haven't tested it yet

[keen dome]

Someone do some science

[tepid trellis]

cannot

i have

[tribal blade]

damn

[tepid trellis]

tried

[keen dome]

Science done!

[tribal blade]

so they fixed it

i vaguely remember them fixing it

[keen dome]

Good work team, very efficent science

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[shadow lance]

My guild mate had a lot of fun

First time doing it "I immune"

[slate marlin]

i tried to cloak it the last second, didnt work kek

[keen dome]

I'm in a Heroic Nexus pug. How long do you think it'll take before we do a single pull. Taking bets.

[shadow lance]

20 mins

[slate marlin]

thought it could be like nw breath from 1st boss

[tribal blade]

i popped cloak today on a physical debuff because on DS you get 20% phys DR

[keen dome]

The one I was in last night took 35 minutes to do a single pull so 20 minutes sounds likely

[tribal blade]

but i was on sub

sin brainrot

[high crow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[shadow lance]

Happen to me all the time with evasion

Oh big magic dot, no cloak, I'll evasion for 20 DR

[slate marlin]

I do that all the time

[warm marlin]

Elusiveness

[shadow lance]

Getting cut in half

[tribal blade]

i'm having so much fun as sub in keys

[shadow lance]

Same

[keen dome]

It's so gooood

Esp with prism

[shadow lance]

Tank loves me

[tribal blade]

i feel like i have super powers

[keen dome]

Just doing the 15m boss bursts

[shadow lance]

Cuz I tell them to chain

[keen dome]

Or with adds doing 30m+

[tepid trellis]

did a weekly key befor raid yesterday

+10 dawn

[tribal blade]

it's crazy good

[keen dome]

Did you explode the bosses

[tepid trellis]

8,6m overall

[tribal blade]

DB is a huge sub key

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tepid trellis]

without buffs

[shadow lance]

I finally hit the 10M Stealthi

Following your advice

[tribal blade]

i haven't bricked very many keys this season

[keen dome]

I think my best overall has been 7.2m in a FG.

[tribal blade]

it feels like everything's been timed

obv bricked some keys, but most are timed

feels great

[warm marlin]

also our raid happened and in the singular day that I missed we killed forge and had a 2% frac wipe

[tepid trellis]

playing sub in keys without skyfury is annoying af tho

[warm marlin]

Very cool to just miss 2 bosses

[tribal blade]

that's illegal

[warm marlin]

Because of super heavy handed nerfs

[tepid trellis]

it honestly sucks

[fringe palm]

nerfs where way too hard

[tribal blade]

luckily phys comp is big atm

[tepid trellis]

that they took them that far outback

[tribal blade]

so rshams are everywhere

[tepid trellis]

and dealt em like old yeller

[shadow lance]

Hopefully Rest sham is popular

[fringe palm]

how can you kill 3rd last boss sub10 pulls

[tribal blade]

the ele i'm pushing with started playing rsham this week

and he's been killing it

he says it suits our comp better

i'm all for it

[warm marlin]

Guess I won’t get M prism any time soon

[shadow lance]

Bro I beg for having 3 others player to play with

[fallow nimbus]

I won't get prism this week

[shadow lance]

We start MM yesterday, I played Sin on the first boss, I don't think I wanna play that anymore

[tribal blade]

my guild has seen 3 heroic prisms so far

[shadow lance]

5 in 2 weeks

1 NM 2* 2 HC

Hunter's and I were happy

[fringe palm]

i have one of each prism we had infinite drops and noone wants them

[tribal blade]

is it worth maxing out heroic prism with gilded if you're in a non HOF guild

[fringe palm]

we have seen 3 forges in total though, all in the same split

[tribal blade]

since it'll be a bit before we get there

[shadow lance]

And how many antenna's? 😛

[shadow lance]

I would say yes

But I'm in that case and I'm not sure about it

[fringe palm]

also not many, 3 mythic, 2 normal 1hc or something like that

[keen dome]

I'm planning too 'cos it's like a 60k DPS increase for me

And it's not like there's a better trinket unless you get the Myth drop