subtlety

[hazy breach]

Ye then idk

[vale pine]

i have storm on a modifier key

[swift tinsel]

3 action bars with some flexible binds on a fourth

[vale pine]

i have my bars hidden

but iirc 32 or 33 keybinds

[clever delta]

i have 4 action bars

[swift tinsel]

1-5, shift 1-5, 3 regular/alt/ctrl mouse buttons, QERFG, shift+QERFG

F1-F4

` for extra action button

[clever delta]

i dont use alt only shift and for some control

[swift tinsel]

I really should hide my bars in combat

I used to when I used Elvui but never added that to regular bars after switching to default ui

alt is for very purposeful important utility binds so I don't fat finger them

[clever delta]

i loved my shift spacebar

but than transmitter happened

[mystic veldt]

is Gloomblade good ?

[clever delta]

and had to remove it

[mystic veldt]

or do i not take it

[swift tinsel]

that's my pvp pane bind from cata lol

[warm marlin]

1-5, shift 1-5, ctrl 1-5, qertyfghvb, shift qertyfghvb, ctrl qertyfghvb, mb4/5 💯

[swift tinsel]

gloomblade is taken as Deathstalker only

[mystic veldt]

the hell i know what that is lol

[swift tinsel]

mb4/5 goated

had to take a really fine look at binds when setting up enhance lol

bc that mfer has so damn many

[ivory swallow]

Hey folks, I am back after a couple of months (5 maybe). What is the news regarding subs (main sub)? Any major change to skills?

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1365042674842992660/9l2o5h-ezgif.com-reverse.gif

sub so back season 3

also sounds like pvp trinket farm stuff won't be doable until next week

[clever delta]

make sense

[warm marlin]

Same

[swift tinsel]

its kind of a wacky spec but its so satisfying

gonna swap between it and ele as an alt to mix things up

[summer lynx]

Are there any sites or docs up yet with all the classes sims?

[wise scaffold]

is there a 'preferred' rogue specialisation for prog? or is it still too early to conclude

[left ledge]

yeah

it is preferred that it is sub

[lucid jackal]

Sub or sin, gonna figure out on actual raid release s

[left ledge]

but for real, out of the rogue specs its looking like sub or sin

[lucid jackal]

Sims don't tell u what's the best

[swift tinsel]

sub best spec world

[left ledge]

but rogue itself isnt really looking amazing

pretty mid class

[viral phoenix]

I heard for m+ dark brew build the shuriken tornado is the highest simming talent choice here but I found playing with out premed kinda blows, does anyone know how bad it is to run premed over tornado for m+ here?

[left ledge]

its not that bad, just play whatever feels the smoothest

tornado isnt that big of a dps gain

[swift tinsel]

yeah nado techinically sims the best but isn't that fun

so you're more than fine to play without it

iirc it usually sims highest

[plush roost]

drop veiltouched usually

[viral phoenix]

ok cool torando rupture spreading is kinda fun but I wanna hold on to my premed

[shrewd lantern]

Wait hold on

no shadowcraft

what in tarnation

[plush roost]

Yea

THats the new DB tech for next patch

[shrewd lantern]

getmeout

[plush roost]

Plays like DF s1/2

[lilac stag]

We need more BP buffs

[shrewd lantern]

ok say less im out

[plush roost]

its actually pretty nice, loses a bit on boss dps but your overall is quite good

[shrewd lantern]

df s2 is the worst iteration of sub

[hollow spear]

All these variations sim quite closely to each other

[shrewd lantern]

i've played in awhile

from a fun pov

[viral phoenix]

rupture dam goes hard

[hollow spear]

So you can play whatever you want ig

[plush roost]

yeah, the current live build is sitll good on ptr

[lilac stag]

Fuck rupture dmg. Go play assa.

[shrewd lantern]

flat damage profile sub

is just so boring

[left ledge]

midnight angle i fear

this not a rogue expac

[plush roost]

its not flat, its peaks and valleys are just smaller compared to current

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[viral phoenix]

yeah its not outlaw all the sudde nlol

[plush roost]

flag/blades still does abajillon dmg

[shrewd lantern]

df s2 sub

was basically outlaw flat

for the most part

[plush roost]

yeah s2 sub was flat af

[left ledge]

s1 and 2 of df

was literally 2 buttons

[plush roost]

this just plays like s2 sub, its profile is way diff

[left ledge]

storm bp storm bp storm bp storm bp

[shrewd lantern]

nah "prio"

storm evis

[left ledge]

you could press blades if you wanted to

[shrewd lantern]

lose to the sv

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[left ledge]

lmao "prio"

i remember people trying to argue

[shrewd lantern]

[left ledge]

for funnel

in s2

brother

[shrewd lantern]

wheres that copy pasta

about not pressing bp

[lilac stag]

Can I argue for a new dev for midnight? Or a dev for midnight?

[left ledge]

funniest thing is

our ST was basically just gloom evis

[viral phoenix]

is it similar situation where tornado haters can play veil touched but technially tornado is simming higher

[left ledge]

you actually just hit the 2 buttons

[plush roost]

pmuch

[lilac stag]

sephuz please come back

[viral phoenix]

tornado off cooldown outside of shadow dance to spread ruptures right

[swift tinsel]

ye

unless something changed

[left ledge]

yep yep

always gonna be that way

[plush roost]

My intense dance rotation: gloomblade, evis, strike(maybe 2) , secret technique, WOAHHHH

[left ledge]

unless you're in MASS aoe

then i guess you can nado into a dance with bp

but most of the time you're gonna be flurrying

[shrewd lantern]

when people tried to argue with me early df sub wasnt flat damage

"but cb sectec"

yeah one gcd every 45

[left ledge]

early df we were a gloomblade spec

you pressed gloomblade

[shrewd lantern]

*goonblade

[left ledge]

you pressed dance so that when it ended your gloomblade did more damage

[plush roost]

mfw my gloomblade at 100% lingering crits for 1m and my evis crits for 800k

[left ledge]

i remember popping blades AFTER dance

[shrewd lantern]

Also

PV trait era

pressing in dance

because more damage than strike

[lilac stag]

Good times.

[shrewd lantern]

I like when my damage breakdown was

1. evis
2. banshee's blight
3. blood link

imagine if blizz actually made eon a talent node

but nah you'll take goremaw and like it

[swift tinsel]

dom shards can die in every single fire

literal worst gearing ideas ever created

[shrewd lantern]

wdym

just get rank 4 unholy week 2

(Yes i had my unholy set first week of mythic)

[lilac stag]

They’d actually have to look at talents and the talent tree. Not going to happen.

[swift tinsel]

needing shards plus the gear with sockets

had multiple people quit that tier

[lilac stag]

Choose wisely.

[shrewd lantern]

Nah shroud movement speed is HUGE

necessary pathing

[lilac stag]

The zone was a banger though

[swift tinsel]

yeah Korthia wasn't bad, there was plenty of stuff to do there

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah i mean i probably would have had a worse sanctum experience

[swift tinsel]

ZM was shit tho

[lilac stag]

always felt busy

[shrewd lantern]

if i didnt get my unholy set the first week of mythic

[hazy breach]

Shroud movespeed is actually so nice though

[shrewd lantern]

Sure but having it mandatory

is so cringe

[grand galleon]

should this disclaimer be still up?

[lilac stag]

Haste buff says hello as a troll joke.

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah that is a questionable choice node

"would you rather haste or crit"

But I mean here's my hot take

[plush roost]

⚠️ WARNING SIGNS⚠️

[shrewd lantern]

shuriken tornado is a dogshit ability

and needs to be removed

[swift tinsel]

based af take

ice cold

[lilac stag]

buffs to BP, nerfs to tier set we are never using. on god we just getting trolled

[hazy breach]

Bro thats the coldest take there is

[plush roost]

I like tornado

makes me go brrr

[swift tinsel]

removed and yeeted into the abyss

[hazy breach]

They should make it passive like they did with bonespike and er

[lilac stag]

Nice take outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

They could have just made your next 4 finishers refund but i guess that would conflict with shadowcraft

[plush roost]

I dont play outlaw much its just what the name defaulted my color to and im too lazy to switch

[swift tinsel]

have it stack like that legendary but instead of adding damage it adds storms

[bleak night]

Salmon gang rise

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker icon

[lilac stag]

What did you end up on last tier. I legit forgot

[bleak night]

No allegiances to any spec color

[vestal escarp]

outlaw deathstalker

[warm marlin]

I have allegiance to not playing assa

[plush roost]

played sub/sin mostly, in m+ sin obv

[hazy breach]

Same except its outlaw

[swift tinsel]

blue name exclusively unless I wanna mix it up on reclears

[vestal escarp]

imagine having to build to 7 and getting forced to press dispatch during subterfuge

[lilac stag]

[plush roost]

i lowkey thought their cook was gonna be to open up the 3r d hero talent to everyone

but neverlacky

[warm marlin]

💸

[vestal escarp]

fatebound sub

deal fate works with sht

sign me up

CB now works with 2 evis

but 0 aoe support

[swift tinsel]

tails would buff our baseline which wouldn't be bad

[shrewd lantern]

Fatebound assa just felt like

they threw it in last minute

[hazy breach]

Fatebound was like 3 weeks before alpha ended

[swift tinsel]

same with sub deathstalker

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker was literal last week

[warm marlin]

trickster was based around feint until like a month before

[swift tinsel]

"hey should marks be stacking this much?"

[warm marlin]

wait im sensing a trend

[plush roost]

DS was cool when you could use dn ontop of a stacked mark for double procs

fuck you echoing reprimand

[shrewd lantern]

I feel like one of the few people

who liked ER

as an ability

[plush roost]

i liked it before they "fixed it" to work with DS

[swift tinsel]

it was okay but I like supercharger wayyyyyy more

[shrewd lantern]

i also like how they brought back the cov ability no one liked

for all 3 specs

aka sepsis

[swift tinsel]

don't let dino see that

ahaha

[alpine wraith]

it is not like i loved sepsis

they also did ER dirty

and just slamming sepsis as a CHOICE node with inev

was offensive

same as MFD with deeper

[swift tinsel]

yeah that one I'll never get

[alpine wraith]

they knew they were going to delete it

[lilac stag]

You managed to cook with it more than salt

[shrewd lantern]

They put sepsis as a choice node for outlaw

with underhanded

didnt they

[alpine wraith]

also it didnt have any of the cov of cool conduits things it had

and also nerfed rotten anyway

[shrewd lantern]

flag without lashing scars

[alpine wraith]

so was DoA

[shrewd lantern]

never felt great

[alpine wraith]

same thing

or obedience

imagine if we had obedience with our CP gen now

[swift tinsel]

even more cdr

[alpine wraith]

flag to 45 secs

BRRRRRRRR

[shrewd lantern]

well technically they changed flag to be mastery instead of haste

but yeah

[alpine wraith]

that was a good change yea

[swift tinsel]

know them though it would make it so you're still holding everything at weird times to try and get 3 cdr abilities to line up lol

[alpine wraith]

ok now time to timestamp this 25 min video zzzzz

[shrewd lantern]

imagine if flag just gave haste

[swift tinsel]

and still did the same piss damage it does now

[shrewd lantern]

yeah atp idk why its not just baked into sb

[swift tinsel]

preaching to the choir

24 second buff

instead of adding dmg to blades

[void ocean]

porn?

[alpine wraith]

no the full guide

just recorded it

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-yeah-baby-yeah-oh-behave-behave-gif-26978564

[vale pine]

i should reword it for sure

[alpine wraith]

tornado now is a cdr farmer

and rupture spreader

[void ocean]

disgusting

[alpine wraith]

watch everyone first week using it before cds

and wondering wtf

shadowcraft JUST PROCCED

[void ocean]

was about to ask, is that gonna be our opener now on a pack

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-pass-the-butter-purpose-of-life-robot-gif-9358372

[alpine wraith]

just lost 14 cps babyy

[alpine wraith]

you tornado after second dance

then you can choose to dance twice or once depending on pack hp

then from then on it is to get ruptures and also cdr

[remote eagle]

what is the dps loss if not speccing tornado?

[void ocean]

42

[hazy breach]

Not big

[remote eagle]

thank god

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-frieza-five-minutes-namek-goku-gif-4623667065803416291

[plush roost]

Tornado is also kinda lit

when youre on a naked dance

with no symbols

if yknow ruptures are all out and its like 15 seconds on cd on pull

sometimes slam that shit in a dnace and go brrr

[vale pine]

tornado is a filler, its still not bad

[naive zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal escarp]

🌪️

[alpine wraith]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[grand wyvern]

how do we use tornado? just press on CD in aoe outside dance?

[mystic veldt]

are crits per hit or per ability ?

like if something hits multiple targets will it crit on all or just on some

[alpine wraith]

it goes per hit

so every hit of evis can crit on main hit and/or shadowed

same with coup and sec tech unless CB

oh and bp

[alpine wraith]

to spread ruptures or get cdr back for more dances

[vale pine]

can also use it on st but yes pmuch

[mystic veldt]

Atrophic Poison over Numbing ye ?

would be my instinct for open pvp

i mean probably people use slow

[alpine wraith]

on pvp you use crippling

[mystic veldt]

but dunno

[vale pine]

atrophic

wound for pvp

iirc

but can ask in #pvp

[alpine wraith]

wound is the lethal poison

[mystic veldt]

i moustly want the crit chance after it lol

[alpine wraith]

the utility is crippling

[mystic veldt]

but im level 40 so got some time

till pvp is a thing

i can sign up but i assume there are not many lvl 40s doing pvp

[alpine wraith]

there are people doing bgs at all levels kinda

some like to lvl that way

but it wont be pretty as a rogue

let me tell you

[mystic veldt]

oh i will suck no matter when i start lol

[alpine wraith]

ok guide is up now time to rest

[mystic veldt]

but i gotta say the class got way better with more crit and point generation

the early levels where kinda slow

[alpine wraith]

early levels is why rogue is super unpopular

and blizz has done nothing in 10 years so

[lilac stag]

You could make an argument they haven’t done much of anything with 2/3 of it at max level as well

[lucid jackal]

Rogue has been unpopular for decades. Idk if it's just the leveling experience

Decade*

[lilac stag]

it’s a combo

[lucid jackal]

A decade

[lilac stag]

Visuals suck

Leveling sucks

[lucid jackal]

Did it suck in cata?

[lilac stag]

It’s complicated for most players

[mystic veldt]

i dunno i like the visuals

[lilac stag]

solo experience is trash

[mystic veldt]

as long as dmg pops up im happy

[lilac stag]

What visuals?

[mystic veldt]

im fine with not everyone being rouge

[lilac stag]

There’s a difference between not everyone being a class and underplayed to the levels the class is at.

[lucid jackal]

But it was unpopular in cata too

And probably even before then

[mystic veldt]

i love my big yellow crit numbes plopping up 🥺

[alpine wraith]

rogue was unpopular forever after classic where everyone took 2 months to level

in tbc it was kinda funny

[lilac stag]

Those aren’t visuals

[mystic veldt]

pff lemme get my dopamine

[alpine wraith]

but wotlk ahead it was fine for a bit then cata made it weird to lvl again

[upbeat oracle]

daggers>every other weapons ingame

[lucid jackal]

I think rogue has just been unpopular for a long, long time. Idk if it's anything about visuals, or the leveling experience or anything

Rogue is just an unpopular archetype in general

[alpine wraith]

likely a combination

[grand wyvern]

my theory is rogue was the edgy class, then dh came to be

[alpine wraith]

plus people liking other classes better

[lucid jackal]

Dk says hello

[lilac stag]

Vanilla was awful to level as a rogue. Warrior as well. PvP made it worth. The game shifted. Now what matters isn’t addressed when before you still had outside enjoyment.

Wotlk was dk arena god mode and rogue disappeared

[alpine wraith]

rogue was also very cool with its thematic things in pve

you had lockpicking sapping blinding long stuns

[mystic veldt]

i just like the come from stealth fantsy and making lots of crits plop onto the screen

https://youtu.be/6mtzzGhM8ko?t=290

like this as well

[lilac stag]

legion I don’t think did any favors

[mystic veldt]

i constantly play burst classes

for that single reason

[alpine wraith]

i legit despised legion for a bit

[lucid jackal]

Rogues population has been low for years idk

[alpine wraith]

had to play shadowpriest first tier

[lucid jackal]

I don't think a literally any modern thing caused this

[alpine wraith]

then second one i was a glorified healbot

[lilac stag]

I mean it just keeps dropping off

It’s cumulative at this point

[lucid jackal]

Well there's more total classes in the game

[mystic veldt]

i think its as well that a class with a tight window just punishes you for messing up

[lucid jackal]

And 2 of them are the edgy classes that take from rogues lol

[upbeat oracle]

dont need rerollers

[alpine wraith]

other archetypes are way cooler

most of the time

because pvp has to be "balanced" for competitive you cant assasinate people as you used to

[lilac stag]

DH has been very polarizing but idk. DK has a solid base.

General consensus for rogue from guildies that have tried it. Too much work for too little reward. The theme is just bland.

[alpine wraith]

and pve is long form

so you also cant assasinate there

we are a weird class thematically now

[lilac stag]

the one with severe adhd loves outlaw.

[alpine wraith]

most rogue games also lean a lot onto ranged and mid range things like throwing weps or bow/xbow

and you have hunters

and cant make a throwing spec

because that would be ranged

[lilac stag]

but is amazing on dev

[alpine wraith]

and become insta mandatory

[lucid jackal]

Most ppl I hear just say "I don't like energy"

Lol

[grand wyvern]

literally every other class copied energy and combo points

[mystic veldt]

dunno for me Rought equals my old Aion Assasin and that was pretty much the same style of play close ranged lockup and burst

[lucid jackal]

There's like 3 energy classes in the game

Feral ww and rogue

[maiden oar]

i think we should steal a little from dh

but like blade dance

very fast stab guy

[lilac stag]

our most popular spec is a “dot management” spec and dot management as melee needs a certain mental

[alpine wraith]

blade dance and throw glaive are cool yea

[grand wyvern]

i am scared of purple dh stealing from us

[lilac stag]

little do they know you just press envenom

[alpine wraith]

im sad every day assa dots do no dmg

envenom zzzzzzzzzzzz

[lucid jackal]

Yeah but what's the solution then? Just streamline rogue in a way that makes it popular but kills everything that makes it special rn?

[alpine wraith]

same with feral

[lucid jackal]

Somethings always gonna be unpopular idk why that affects me much

[mystic veldt]

i like being unpopular

its fun

imo

[maiden oar]

yea i really hope they dont streamline rogue

[swift tinsel]

There’s ways to do it that don’t kill the uniqueness

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

But I don’t trust blizzards track record

[alpine wraith]

well at least sub got some uniqueness back

that we lost from S2

[hazy breach]

I think assa could benefit from something that requires pooling energy in some form like the 4p from amirdrassil

[upbeat oracle]

idk guys ur dooming, out of 3 tiers i was forced to play priest cuz rogue spot was taken in 2 of them

[alpine wraith]

we lean more into burst now

[hazy breach]

But i like the ebb and flow of subs energy

[alpine wraith]

sub has some cool mechanics

we just feel

unfinished

like as if someone ran out of time

SEVERAL times

[maiden oar]

yeah i wish assa had more decision making

[lucid jackal]

Why do u keep saying this like sub in s2 wasn't abt burst

[hazy breach]

Unpolished ye, but the core is solid and fun

[alpine wraith]

it is still is about burst we just got to feel the real one then changed back to a more baseline vers

[swift tinsel]

I’d legit take a polished sub over any other spec in the game ez

[alpine wraith]

nothing wrong about current one

[mystic veldt]

dunno i think it needs to be kinda hard because a class that comes from stealth bursts you down cant be free

[alpine wraith]

just tier set is there and strong

but we dont interact with it any way

it is like DS

it is just dmg here and ther and there

and annoying DN fuck you

i did like when trinkets or sets changed rotation quite a bit

now trinkets are so weak

[mystic veldt]

like i just think sub cant be a good PvE spec by virtue of what its supposed to be

[alpine wraith]

no cool weapons either

[hazy breach]

And like I think singletarget is very close to or it is the best iteration of sub ive played

[lilac stag]

To make it more popular? Streamlined in the design approach. Stealth modifiers need a rework from gameplay and coding perspective. Visual improvements. Sound improvements (old school backstab made a meh ability fun to press just by hearing the crack). That’s where you’d start imo.

[warm marlin]

[alpine wraith]

we could use 10x more SFX work on our abilities

[bleak night]

i can polish your sub

wait what

[alpine wraith]

i will pay for it

[lucid jackal]

U think if they reworked stealth modifiers ppl would play rogue more..?

[alpine wraith]

send me the bill

[lilac stag]

I think stealth confuses the fuck out of majority of the players.

[upbeat oracle]

whats so confusing about it

[maiden oar]

i just wish my stabs looked cooler

[lucid jackal]

I think genuinely no new player gives a fuck about stealth modifiers in that way lol

[maiden oar]

but not like crazy ffxiv animation

[alpine wraith]

i wish my finishers looked cool

[haughty mural]

What if unseen blade gets benefits from strike/bs enhancing talents

[runic trail]

At least the class being unpopular means the discord is slightly easier to follow, so.... silver linings! (I have no clue what the other discords are like but I assume they're busier)

[maiden oar]

just a little something extra

[alpine wraith]

instead of me doing a swirl

like a ballerina

[lilac stag]

why do I press backstab in “dance” wait is dance stealth? Why doesn’t this work in dance (leech in stealth). Yeah not confusing at all

[swift tinsel]

If FFXIV animations are a 10 then sub could use some that are like a 7-8

[grand wyvern]

assa is gonna be fotm, brace urself

[warm marlin]

ravenholdt is probably the second busiest of all of them

[runic trail]

I assumed discord business would scale with class popularity, my bad.

[lucid jackal]

"this leech talent doesn't work I'm rerolling"

[maiden oar]

i like the visual identity of dfo rogue if anyone played that game

it should be little less flashy in wow ofc but

[upbeat oracle]

who cares leech

huh

[maiden oar]

being fast knife guy is cool

[swift tinsel]

Fast knife guy with updated visuals similar to LA Reaper

[lilac stag]

You or I may not care. Leveling that’s a shit talent / lack of qol

[swift tinsel]

But less krpg

[maiden oar]

yea hunger reaper is cool

[upbeat oracle]

im confused hows stealth confusing. u either in it or not.

[maiden oar]

i think the lunar tripods are a little too on the side of ffxiv visuals

[runic trail]

Or you shake it all about

[maiden oar]

man i miss lost ark

[runic trail]

(You do the hokey kokey)

[lilac stag]

Look at overall. Just not your hardcore ce life

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it just got over the top

[rustic raven]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

Scrapper was super fun

[coarse hound]

you think you do, but you dont really

[swift tinsel]

Think I played that most

[maiden oar]

i quit lost ark because t4 reworked eo soulfist

i miss swift eo with 50s h3 cooldown

[alpine wraith]

my favourite one for the longest time was NS works but in a different timeline for almost 1 year

but i dont think many people quit over those

it is mostly they feel the class is bland

or dont like the thematic and that is fine

[maiden oar]

but yea i agree w u haptics i think la reaper is good inspiration for rogue visual identity

but a little more toned down

[swift tinsel]

Idk talking to other people they don’t enjoy how bland it looks to play so even visuals would go a really long way

[mystic veldt]

i honestly dont care about having super flashy spells ^^

[sharp lake]

i think it sucks that when we press shadow dance it just tints us purple seems like a missed opportunity

[swift tinsel]

Streamlining some of the cd stuff would be big too

[alpine wraith]

yea like people think eyecandy does not do much but i swear if our abilities made explosions or cool animations

[lilac stag]

We know

[alpine wraith]

they could be the same

MORE people would play it

[runic trail]

Gestalt would like to know your location

[lucid jackal]

My argument is that this whole idea of "blandness and bad leveling and flavor and clunky and blah blah" must have been true since literally wrath of the lich King since the classes popularity has been on the bottom for an insane amount of time now. Most of this games lifecycle.

[lilac stag]

you’re not trying to attract us to play it. You’re trying to get others to play and stick with it.

[alpine wraith]

and it is also the easiest ever to reroll

[clever delta]

sub no pins 🙁

[alpine wraith]

when it took 6 months to even get attuned

[clever delta]

always behind on those

[alpine wraith]

what pins nothing much changed

[swift tinsel]

What’s there to pin

[alpine wraith]

guides are up tho

[lilac stag]

I was drawn to the scoundrel description. Invested so much time from the get go. Now I’m just stuck with this toon.

[alpine wraith]

but we dont pin those

here

[maiden oar]

i come from ffxiv which is a game where they reworked unpopular classes with the people who did not play them in mind over and over and it ruined them for all the people who liked them before

i dont want to see that happen to rogue

[alpine wraith]

that was sub in legion for a while

[lilac stag]

How new people to the game find rogue enjoying idk

[alpine wraith]

someone took the crazy pill

until fuu saved us in Tomb

[maiden oar]

idk either but its my favorite and 11.1 was my first tier raiding in wow

cool class

[mystic veldt]

yeah this people who like rogue will play it

[swift tinsel]

I like really big damage and being flexible with it so sub is my jam

[grand wyvern]

how new people to the game dont quit in the first 5 min playing idk

[swift tinsel]

Being a boss killer is great

[mystic veldt]

Hot Warlocks near you wanna know your location

[maiden oar]

theres always going to be a least popular class and thats ok

but we should still look cooler

[hazy breach]

Nah it scales with how many dumbfucks (such as myself) like talking about it on discord

[runic trail]

The popularity thing doesn't bother me too much, I like rogue, this is fine.

[runic trail]

I'm in this post and I don't like it.

[lilac stag]

I’ve got good memories on this char. Alts while fun don’t have that same attachment. If I rolled warrior in vanilla I’d likely still be on it.

My favorite alt has been fdk. It has always scratched the itch for me, but I hated unholy and never wanted to get forced into it.

Visually and thematic frost has been

gameplay has been shit at times

[maiden oar]

ive been leveling alts and its crazy how much more visually appealing every other class is

[lilac stag]

But that’s all classes

[swift tinsel]

Losing cleaving strikes was such a good change this ptr

Holy shit

[maiden oar]

i still would rather play rogue but i wish i looked half as cool as every other character on my account

[swift tinsel]

The aoe gameplay is leagues ahead of where it was

[lilac stag]

Storm Enhance is like a visually fun version of outlaw

Why would I choose outlaw over that?

[shadow snow]

Its addicting cause you press a lot of buttons and you get that serotonin

[lilac stag]

to open locked boxes?

[bleak night]

shaman vfx goes so hard

[swift tinsel]

Esp if you go with the ascendence glyph and look like The Nameless King throwing wind blasts

[bleak night]

its insane

[maiden oar]

cool hook

and i think outlaws rotation is more fun but thats personal preference

the guns funny too

[swift tinsel]

Ngl the visuals/sfx of enh played a bit part in playing it this season

[shadow snow]

The sounds are cool

[lilac stag]

SV has a better hook.

[swift tinsel]

Wish totemic wasn’t in the gutter bc it’s stellar too in those departments

[maiden oar]

seeing my guy pull out a gun makes me smile

new killing spree animation is funnier too

[grand wyvern]

are you american by chance?

[lilac stag]

I’d love to see outlaw turn into Gunslinger midrange

[maiden oar]

maybe i havent played sv

[swift tinsel]

It’s straight up gun kata from Equilibrium

[maiden oar]

yeah but my guy is a dwarf in a goofy transmog so i think him just pulling a pistol out of nowhere is funny

[lilac stag]

It’s different as you spear into target but man it tickles the dopamine

[swift tinsel]

6 combo points -> 6 bullets

[maiden oar]

and its not bc i love guns so much

[maiden oar]

i see

[grand wyvern]

kinda like expedition 33?

[alpine wraith]

tbh the sound engineer that used the sound for Ace

[swift tinsel]

The framework is there for a ranged gunslinger

[alpine wraith]

was a genius

it just sounds so good

[swift tinsel]

Never played

[alpine wraith]

TCHS CHK

[lucid jackal]

I started and legion and it was love at first sight idk

[maiden oar]

pistoleer...

[lucid jackal]

Some things appeal to different ppl

[alpine wraith]

tbh rogue in legion had a lot of cool shit

[maiden oar]

yeah it was love at first sight for me too

and i started way later

[alpine wraith]

artifact weapons were a shame they didnt iterate into

[swift tinsel]

I dabbled in rogue here and there but didn’t get really into it until later SL

[warm marlin]

i played rogue a bit in wotlk as a kid and came back to wow in df and liked it again

[alpine wraith]

i wish we had that and the azeroth neck

[swift tinsel]

Played a lotttttt of dps dk though from WotLK until now

Some hpal

[maiden oar]

i tried to play it in df prepatch and quit and went back to ff after a few weeks and then i came back and was drawn to it a second time

[lilac stag]

Legion had some lovely rogue stuff. RTB was a good visual update, even if losing combat was polarizing.

[maiden oar]

and that time it stuck

but both times it was an obvious decision to go rogue

[lilac stag]

I still miss bandits guile gaming.

[bleak night]

i started playing rogue in bfa because i was weird and liked warmode

and somehow i got fucking stuck here

[maiden oar]

im going to like warmode once conquest is farmable

pvp trinket so cool...

[grand wyvern]

i started playing rogue cause they removed nether portal lock lol

[shrewd wren]

bfa azerite armor, yuge garrotes. absolutely broken haha fun times

[lilac stag]

We don’t discuss azerite traits in #subtlety

PTSD triggering

[native zodiac]

azerite traits killed sub for 2 years

[warm marlin]

for those curious btw

pvp trinket 📉

[native zodiac]

what itemlvl is that

[warm marlin]

both are 704

its in the full bis set otherwise so it might be mildly cooked

but i would rather farm eco dome than pvp

[native zodiac]

ye same

eco dome should be easy to farm

its like 6 item lootpool

[serene notch]

Imagine playing sub rouge and touching pvp

[maiden oar]

if you can get into a crate farm group i think its faster than gambling eco dome loot

but idk how easy that is to do

and if you arent alliance also maybe grim

[warm marlin]

eco dome has the benefit of also filling vault/getting other loot pieces tho

[maiden oar]

thats true

[plush roost]

You also get the benefit of a high verse champ track neck

[warm marlin]

and cresties

[plush roost]

If u pvp

[warm marlin]

shh

[hazy breach]

Well its either or right

[plush roost]

That shits real good week 1-2

[clever delta]

"fuu

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden oar]

does it cost more conquest

[hazy breach]

Or well, you can just farm more conquest ig

But both costs conquest

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[plush roost]

Then again, floodgate has a verse mast neck

Could farm floodyG as well

[hazy breach]

Or priory

[plush roost]

Ye

[warm marlin]

will probably be doing 30 keys week1 anyway

[plush roost]

30? Weak

[bleak night]

only 30

[warm marlin]

and who am i kidding im ripping heroic prism out of first split run

[hazy breach]

As is tradition, burn out during the first 2-3 days

[hazy breach]

Ye ofc

[warm marlin]

hoc -> prism

[plush roost]

Im gonna beg

Plsplsplspslspslspls prism

[maiden oar]

yeah i am optimistic about prism

[plush roost]

Then itll drop on my dh run

[warm marlin]

i will NOT be on the last boss of the tier with a pvp trinket this time

i will NOT

[plush roost]

!!!!

[bleak night]

lmao

[maiden oar]

i think everyone will fight over forge

[hazy breach]

Our tier is good too though, otherwise id just go "fuck everything else just give me prism"

[maiden oar]

and i will sneak in and get prism

[hazy breach]

Yep

[bleak night]

fuck everyone else, give me tier and prism

[hazy breach]

Then theyll realize people are using prism for amps n stuff

[maiden oar]

should be mandated by law to make all gearing decisions based on 5m patchwerk droptimizer

% only no raw dps value

[bleak night]

sub rogues get tier and prism early>do well on early logs>get nerfed immediately after rwf

[warm marlin]

when rogue generally sims low maybe not the best rule

[hazy breach]

Most are doing that

[plush roost]

As is tradition

[hazy breach]

Well if you go by percentages its fine

[plush roost]

Shoutout outlaw heroic week season 1

[maiden oar]

ok yea ill edit it to put the % in there

[warm marlin]

do yall do %? every place ive been has always been raw number

[plush roost]

We do raw gain

[native zodiac]

same its usually raw number

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really matter as theyre usually similar

[plush roost]

The only time we didnt go by raw gain was transmitter -> hoc

[maiden oar]

ok maybe all gearing decisions should be bloodmallet.com

or wowhead trinket tier list

prism for me...

[plush roost]

Gearing bases on how funny you were on raid team keyspam night

Thats the play

[bleak night]

gearing based on not doing keys and so everything is a larger upgrade for you

[warm marlin]

i actually lost my hoc because i put it in void storage guys, unrelated prism is a 500 gorbillion dps gain over my 626 skardyns grace

[ripe flame]

I'm writing this down for next week

[vestal escarp]

now you can tell loot council that single piece of loot is worth 28% dps on you char

[merry agate]

tale as old as time

[hazy breach]

Just be the loot council guys

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[hazy breach]

🤯

[tulip token]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden oar]

is the sim doing anything crazy with antenna like kiting the orbs until flag/dance

[fierce elm]

"wa

[hazy breach]

No

[fierce elm]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[hazy breach]

And even if we found that to be a gain we likely wouldnt put it in by default since its not feasible for most players to do consistently

[maiden oar]

oh ok

ty ty

[topaz crow]

does anyone know what crafted dagger is best next season and also can i buy mats for it now?

[lilac stag]

The one with agility

you can buy mats now

[stable plume]

Doesn’t a good agi dagger drop from mythic boss 2? Might not be worth to craft if that’s the case

[bleak night]

then you just move it to offhand

[hazy breach]

Depends on if you expect the second boss to just instantly fall over, but ye worst case you still use it just in offhand

[tepid trellis]

its gonna be more expensive to upgrade that dagger

than to craft one

[lucid jackal]

Unless raid literally drops 2 on week 1 it'll almost Lwyas be better to just craft

[warm marlin]

you would have to spend 75 crests to upgrade to max myth anyway, and then you've spent 60 crests on an offhand

[stable plume]

I thought dagger starts 2/6?

[warm marlin]

60 then same as craft

[tepid trellis]

thats why u craft a dagger, then slap the one that dropped into off hand and take it from there

who knows u might get a myth track tier as well

[warm marlin]

but offhand is a trash slot to have spent the crests on. im not saying its a great idea to wait but it is a gain if even 1 drops

[tepid trellis]

you arent spending crests

is what im saying

u take the dropped one and put into off hand

[stable plume]

Yeah I’m just sweaty trying to minmax iLVL per gilded until crest cap is removed it’s a bad habit

[warm marlin]

yes, and then technically you've spent 60 crests crafting an offhand that you could have spent on a tier slot

[tepid trellis]

last tier

i checked that for fun

[bleak night]

im not getting a dagger drop for 5 weeks at least so im crafting regardless

[tepid trellis]

it was still more dps for me to send crests into a craft

[steel jolt]

i'm the only rogue in my raid

[tepid trellis]

with the dagger dropping from rik week 1

[steel jolt]

ez daggers

[bleak night]

plus if you remotely plan on playing assa you'll want it anyway

[bleak night]

same but daggers dont exist

mythical creatures

[warm marlin]

but not an offhand craft, those suck

idk i got a rik dagger week1 after crafting, obviously not gonna happen often but it felt bad having a shit crafted offhand dagger instead of boots or something

[tepid trellis]

it wont be an off hand for a bit, dunno how other guilds do it but we do not send crests untill we need to

[stable plume]

Yeah that’s my philosophy as well ^ every iLVL matters more for end bosses than earlier ones

[tepid trellis]

only way to get fucked on dagger craft is if two daggers drops

[hazy breach]

Not wrong, but also wiping to early (ie 4thish) bosses because youre missing damage from not having sent crests suck

[tepid trellis]

keep in mind getting embel ontop of dagger craft

is also another 1% or so

[stable plume]

I’m SO IMPATIENT WAITING FOR NEW CONTENT RN

[lilac stag]

for most guilds it’s do what you can do to secure a roster spot. top end of HoF saving until needed is what I would expect.

[tepid trellis]

only time we were allowed to send crests was if it was a complete nobrainer

[lilac stag]

we’re rolling a 29 person roster at this point

[tepid trellis]

think we are 23-24

[bleak night]

[tepid trellis]

(think i dont actually know)

[lilac stag]

there’s 3 of us that are pretty much the melee core

The rest can fight it out

[hazy breach]

I dont think that massive amount of greed is necessary, as long as youre not sending mythic crests into hc items you cant really fuck it up

(its also really dumb that runed doesnt go up to atleast 1 myth)

[tepid trellis]

hey we did rik week one without tiersets

[warm marlin]

i might wait until 1st clear of 2nd boss since i doubt its gonna be a gear check at all and im only rogue

[tepid trellis]

we were gamin

[hazy breach]

I think thats fine, but for example when people were doing it last tier they had like 20 wipes on rik because barrel checks was hard first week

[warm marlin]

ya especially when sub was one of the best specs to deal with them

[lilac stag]

I pretty much auto send dagger. At our level it just speeds up heroic and gets us more mythic time.

[hazy breach]

Ye

[lilac stag]

Our 2h users are “gimped” already

until 2nd spare or a drop

[pulsar hemlock]

Imagine being a caster and not being able to craft because you want to wait for the set from the raid

[mystic veldt]

shadow dmg is magic dmg yes ?

[tepid trellis]

btw im manifesting prism for you and me week 1

[tepid trellis]

yes

[mystic veldt]

allright just wnated to know if the 20% rupture talent and the 5% more magic dmg stacks

[hazy breach]

Last tier we had a raider that didnt take tier shoulders from vault because if he got them from rik he could take a socket (there were multiple other people that needed the tier shoulders too)

[tepid trellis]

kicked

[bleak night]

lmfao

what a guy

[tepid trellis]

tbf dont take vault until after reclear, u never know what drops

[warm marlin]

for a socket is crazy

[tepid trellis]

but like on purpose taking something worse cuz "then i get it from raid"

fck off

hope they gave them to someone else

ong

[hazy breach]

He held onto the vault, he didnt take the socket immediately

But yes somebody else got them

[scarlet radish]

Still like, your obv progging if others don’t have tier. The fuck is 1 gem gonna do to your dps

[bleak night]

+200 ez

[hazy breach]

Its hc > m upgrade, not no tier

But yes still

[warm marlin]

ye i understand it sorta if you're trying to get double m tier or something, still wack but for a socket??

devious work

[scarlet radish]

Just really says he ain’t a team player, homies there raiding for himself

Despite what all the sims are showing for next season, what’s the word going around for sub in raid? Casual addict reckoned it’s real good damage wise in m+ atm , but hard to get a gauge on raid

[hazy breach]

Should be fine, expecting middle of the packish

[graceful osprey]

we are so back ladies and gentlemen

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[tepid trellis]

damn that mop sub rogue goes hard

[graceful osprey]

Ahh you saw right through it haha

[scarlet radish]

Reckon itll be much diff between sin and sub?

[hazy breach]

Probably not now after fatebound buffs, probably similar

[lilac stag]

MoP goes hard

[mystic veldt]

what that ?

[tepid trellis]

mists of pandaria classic warcraftlogs stats

is what it is

[bleak night]

mop survival holy

[stoic reef]

why does it say that on 4 or more targets we are BPing with trickster

Is this a change?

(11.2 guide)

[tepid trellis]

it was 5 before

now 4

[stoic reef]

well thats new ig

well this means ive been playing wrong ig

I've only been bping on 7 or more targets

[tepid trellis]

it was changed mid tier to use a different way to determine when to bp

(targets with FW up on them)

[stoic reef]

whats FW (dont know acronyms)

[tepid trellis]

find weakness

[stoic reef]

oh

[serene notch]

Are we BP-ing during blades in 11.2, if so at what target counts @tepid trellis ?

[tepid trellis]

a bit tbd, 2+ atm which i dont trust to be the case so id say 3+

[serene notch]

This is wild to me…

[grave delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[night sparrow]

so hero talent cleave basically useless

[tepid trellis]

big strike nimble dmg

ong

[serene notch]

“Nimble Flurry now deals a matching percent of increased damage while Shadow Blades is active (20% PvE; 10% PvP).” Shouldn’t this make evis better significantly during blades?

[tepid trellis]

they also nerfed

nimble

at the same time

so according to my math it shouldve stayed the same during blades

[night sparrow]

that's sad 🙁

[tepid trellis]

but numbers said 2+ but i think something is up with some implementation

[warm marlin]

didnt it go from 65% always to 60% outside blades 72% in blades

[night sparrow]

and so far what is your pro PoV about what spec is gonna be the best ?

[serene notch]

Whichever is most fun for you

[tepid trellis]

from what testing was done it ends up about 68% ingame

[night sparrow]

In m+ i like both sin and sub

i'll see depending on boss sin is cool with adds for funnel

[tepid trellis]

depends on the dungeon

[night sparrow]

alright

[warm marlin]

presumably the same factors like fazed and FW made it so 65% wasn't actually 65% previously but maybe im cooked

[tepid trellis]

just going from the numbers fuu gave the other day to us

[hazy breach]

Its moreso the sim implementation that might be sus, no reason why the target count should be going down in blades

But well see

[tepid trellis]

the math

do not be mathin

[serene notch]

I would like to live in a world where BP never gets pressed during blades.

[tepid trellis]

hard agree

but alas

better nerf nimble

[green niche]

Ok everyone after 20 years of assa rogue I think this patch is the day when I go sub! Yay

[mystic veldt]

For Finality do i basically do the same one twice ?

[valid yoke]

what dis?

awwww its mop

sadge

betrayal

why you break my heart

[bleak night]

he just wants more people to play mop with him

[tepid trellis]

you completely ignore it exists

its just a passive

nothing you play around

[valid yoke]

tbh I have no idea how rogue is looking compared to other classes but hopefully decent 🙂

I love the class I just want it to have love :c

[mystic veldt]

yeah i was just unclear on the wording wether or not it works if i do 1->2->1 instead of 1->1->1

if the order matters basically

[signal moth]

How dif is sub from DF S1? The last time I clicked any buttons on it lol

[tepid trellis]

press evis -> next evis hits harder
press rupture -> next rupture does more
press BP -> next bp hits harder

they are 3 individual buffs

and they just go back and forth like that

0-20-0-20-0-20 or w/e the % is for finality

[mystic veldt]

ok thanks

[valid yoke]

So I'm hoping some more knowledged people can help me out here cos naturally i've done the worse thing possible and googled shit. I saw an icy veins page that said assa is still ahead in raid? Any insight on this? really hoping for a sub tier tbh

[hazy breach]

If you like sub play sub

Also idk thats probably from s2

[mystic veldt]

This play what you think is fun

[tepid trellis]

very

[signal moth]

easier or harder? I mainly played pvp

and in AA

[tepid trellis]

harder

[valid yoke]

I totally respect that but I enjoy all three specs so I typically go for whichever is stronger

[mystic veldt]

i mean there are statistics on that no ? ^_^

[valid yoke]

Yea but i'm seeing so much conflicting stuff 😂 So I was hoping somebody more in the know could help out. I know we're still waiting on assa api for fuu's sheet

omg wait

im fucking stupid

the sheet i found was for season 2

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-3406032206381683784

its okay

disaster averted

[magic cliff]

Omega has a lot of damage amps

Sub with prism probably gonna go pretty hard

[short radish]

the real answer is - no one knows exactly which is stronger. sims only go as far as your browser.

until raid comes out no one can say for certain who is stronger

[valid yoke]

totally fair. So as far as gearing goes I presume I want to gear for sub cos assa is a bit more lax on secondary stats?

[short radish]

well its a brand new season

you go ilvl > everything else

[valid yoke]

Yea, I need to build the habit of simming as well I guess

instead of just guessing game

I'm like, completely new to char optimisation so im very much just learning lol

[short radish]

all good

just remember stats matter much less than you think

[valid yoke]

fairs i probably care way too much about stats

[mystic veldt]

my apporach is in any big group of people with a common goal a decent result will be avaliable

not everyone needs to sim individually if competent people are showing what they get

then again its fun

[valid yoke]

true haha

Its mainly because im trying to transition from an assa one trick into all three rogue specs but I'm kinda struggling on how to juggle them lol. Outlaw is bottom prio for me but sub and assa I think im kinda just jumbling myself up

and overthinking shit lol

[mystic veldt]

i just decided Sub was the fantasy i want and ill try to get as good at that as i can sure sometimes it will get buffed or nerfed but whatever

for me the fun part is sneaking around and blowing people up lol

[short radish]

unless youre in top 20 guilds then whatever spec you play doesnt matter

and youre better off being a OTP assi

than an average sub/outlaw player

[stoic reef]

guys

do we play tea now

on keys

[lucid jackal]

Idk if this is accurate

[valid yoke]

totally understand the point but I want to increase my skill level to being proficient at all three 🙂

that and the fact that deathstalker makes me want to eat glass but we dont have to talk about that

[stoic reef]

well fuck cold blood ig

[zealous hedge]

So are we cooked

[short radish]

understandable. fuck DS

[bleak night]

real

[half comet]

!fuu

[worn cliff]

!fuu

[strong shoal]

Moroes might be sleeping

[blissful flare]

!fuu

[steel zinc]

#subtlety message

[zealous hedge]

huh

[blissful flare]

i am surprised to see so much crit on our gear for these sims - especially the Astral Antenna trinket

[sharp lake]

DRs really, even this season sims kept telling me more crit

[blissful flare]

seems bis for a lot of classes, yeah

[swift tinsel]

@lilac stag if you thought toss/storm were bad

credit to @near rivet in the sub tc channel

[bleak night]

finally i can shiv for dps as sub too

[swift tinsel]

does more dam than storm/toss

[lilac stag]

yea that’s ok

[swift tinsel]

costs less energy

[bleak night]

actually that is kind of hype

now i have another excuse for not soothing

[swift tinsel]

wait I don't think they have blades in the call though lemme check

[bleak night]

you got my hopes up

[swift tinsel]

wait nvm they do its legit haha

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

the variance is all over though

sometimes it sims for 3k, sometimes 770 lol

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hevdE911w2SjwqXtXktskY

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/obU1yoN5bPMmCJyvrJ9Zf1

exact same sim run twice lol

[zealous hedge]

LOL

[swift tinsel]

granted the tier set has its own hefty rng factor

[manic sierra]

!fuu

[swift tinsel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml

• Moroes, probably

[tepid trellis]

its very much just within variance

[swift tinsel]

ye seen the needle move just as far in either direction

[lilac stag]

or just accept this is where we are as we already deal with dumb deranged spec shit.

[young mural]

Who else is jumping around

waiting for patch to drop

im hyped rogue

[short radish]

i want another month of not playing wow

[young mural]

I be hype for double rogue man doing double big evisc

2 dagger

2 coup

(im going to take 1month+ to get my 4set)

[short radish]

sounds about right

[jagged rover]

hyped for patch because I've been wanting to play wow, but no reason to do so

[young mural]

btw if your ilvl is 681 or higher you have nothing to do next week other than quests

but ill be running M0 for champ track gear

[brisk onyx]

!bs

[warm marlin]

hello am moroes

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:
#Showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

This will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[bleak night]

good bot

[brisk onyx]

ty sir

[chrome palm]

Moroes, jerk it a little

[warm marlin]

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[lilac stag]

[young mural]

dude

no fucking way we're playing shuriken tornado again

[half comet]

!fuu

[young mural]

https://tenor.com/view/salsa-dance-salsa-dancing-dance-football-twitter-sports-twitter-dance-sports-twitter-gif-9983991042154241861

we're so back

[swift tinsel]

You don’t have to, it’s not that much better than not playing it

[half comet]

doesnt it sim high in dslice often but not actually useful

[young mural]

I WANT to though

[swift tinsel]

St too iirc

[young mural]

I really enjoy shuriken tornado

lol

[half comet]

ay you go for it then

nothing wrong with that

[slate lantern]

M0 for potential tier pieces in first vault tho

[young mural]

yhea im gonna spam..

[swift tinsel]

Gotta do that and 8x8 delves

Farm keys first

Run bleed sin spec and speed clear

[slate lantern]

Are we getting keys first week? I thought that was delayed or smth

[swift tinsel]

I’m pretty sure you could

[hexed sluice]

🌪️ 🗡️

[young mural]

dont forget to stock up on these to complete the new quests

[bleak night]

even if we dont its hero track vault

so next week is delve gaming

[young mural]

we're not getting keys next week

[swift tinsel]

I’ll have to check

Thought you could get keys and map first week

[young crypt]

do those stack with the ferris wheel buff tho?

[swift tinsel]

I wfh tomorrow so I can see when it’s live

[hexed sluice]

I wonder if the gilded from t11 will be avail

[slate lantern]

Undercoins resetting? God Blizz needs to make more posts about what is actually happening

[swift tinsel]

I’m pretty sure they stay

Undercoins that is

Last time they reset

[young mural]

not sure, i think they're the same buff and the item just refreshes it up to 1hr duration again and doesnt stack

[swift tinsel]

But I thought they added them as transferable and staying for s3