these bosses are cursed for ptr
#subtlety
ripe flame
slate marlin
would be even more cool if they gave subt more purple
a fuck ton more purple mind you
swift tinsel
I legit wanna become a void ethereal during dance/blades
make me a Queensbane clone
swift tinsel
Imma have the new glamour up as much as possible
slate marlin
i use amazing a lot bc i cba to think how to express myself better on english atp
swift tinsel
1 hr duration with 2hr cd is troll though, lemme have it up perma
slate marlin
just add it as a race
i dont like allied races being recolors of old ones
that being said i like zandalari as a distinct race from standard trolls
but you have to play them barefoot and i hate that
bright sundial
so no chnages that means full rework in midnight right?
swift tinsel
or midnight=shadow=spriest
shrewd lantern
so no chnages that means full rework in midnight right?
bright sundial
https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395
ill have what hes having XD
at least one of my specs getting some love maybe alittle to much love fdk XD
swift tinsel
they took out cleaving strikes so at least that's done and dusted
bc that fucking sucked to play
bright sundial
yeah btu almost every week they chaning something like bruh give some to rogue yk
and this week they got fat buffs cause of there "raid buff not doiing anything in ptr raid" XD
lilac stag
could always get unwelcomed changes. 
keen dome
THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE
keen dome
Do the lottery
keen dome
Huge
shrewd lantern
i need to try and get power torrent
bleak night
got ashes, blazing drake, stone drake, and abyss worm so far
shrewd lantern
the illusion
sly shore
can't be stopped tbh
swift tinsel
haughty mural
cant stop wont stop
teal prawn
I got both zul'gurub mounts the other day
I got two panthers at once
shrewd lantern
i got the hunter sanctum bow first try
clever delta
i did very bad dmg on first boss wtf
teal prawn
i got the hunter sanctum bow first try
Same. The mount too
shrewd lantern
i got the mount when it was current
bleak night
ive gotten the bow every time ive killed on my rogue
hunter has yet to see it
so no achievement
shrewd lantern
it's an achieve?
bleak night
ye same, sylvanas bow is hunter locked tho so cant equip
frail kindle
runic trail
Hell yeah
clever delta
now need to fix the flurry 😄
haughty mural
What trinkets did you play ?
clever delta
Stop immediately
well i was eating dirt on first boss
clever delta
What trinkets did you play ?
hoc and pacemaker
haughty mural
Oh none of the new ones available right now on ptr ?
clever delta
they are all avaible
but the new 90s is worse than hoc
and idk what secondary trinket to play as they all feel scatchy
clever delta
i dont think they will
but its better to have lily avaible than playing transmitter whole progress
clever delta
no, we are happy that we escape current tier set
past vault
New tier set much better?
clever delta
its more like current one is so bad
hazy breach
yo guys, are we as depressed as the fury Warrior discord atm?
Not as much
Raid should be fine/good, but m+ is a bit eh
alpine wraith
we can tailor out kit a lot on raids
even at the detriment of optimal dps
on m+ it is kinda more of a numbers game
and our cds are not impactful enough
sly shore
now need to fix the flurry 😄
ur playing with people with no hands
clever delta
that happen on pugs
sly shore
cos there's zero chance you'd be doing that damage with people who can play their classes
alpine wraith
big muncher situation
remember tindral
sub POG
then you played with real people
XD
remote eagle
bros anyone has a plater mod for nameplate color/border changing with rupture active? one from wago doesn't work
swift tinsel
Yeah I can share it after work
Has a purple override for ds mark you can delete if you don’t like
swift tinsel
🫡
Think I’m gonna mod it to change color with find weakness when I get home
Instead of rupture
hazy breach
Im personally just keeping the nameplate colours to more easily spot casters n stuff
But each to their own
remote eagle
yea border only
swift tinsel
I have a script that makes interruptible casting mobs nameplates get bigger and go to top frame strata so they’re in front of all others
brittle plinth
Every time we talk about FW, I'm worried it turns into something I actually need to track
It better not 😡
swift tinsel
It’s just for a quick visual for me
I used to use an aura that tracked the number on nameplates but it updates constantly and slows things down more than I’d like
Made it idiot proof so it showed evisc or BP icon based on number of debuffs in and out of blades
spice matrix
!wa
formal helm
I have a script that makes interruptible casting mobs nameplates get bigger and ...
Might ask you to share this if possible 👀
swift tinsel
For sure! I should be home in another hour or so
formal helm
Ait
If I'm not 😴 I'll @ you in an hour
brittle plinth
Made it idiot proof so it showed evisc or BP icon based on number of debuffs in ...
Oh that's smart, have you linked that before
swift tinsel
I think so a long time ago but I don’t think that version had the shadow blades conditions put in yet
#subtlety message for the blades-less version
I can update the version in like 20mins
swift tinsel
Ait
If I'm not 😴 I'll @ you in an hour
something broke with it so I need to troubleshoot
swift tinsel
I'm actually 95% sure I did it in plater itself but I can't remember how so I'm looking atm
shut ridge
swift tinsel
Oh that's smart, have you linked that before
https://wago.io/ZpPc-YY4v updated version. If you have <5 find weakness out and no flawless up it shows flawless icon. If you're in blades and have >=3 find weakness out it shows BP icon, same with outside blades and >=5 find weakness out
feel free to mess with conditions as you see fit
can probably do a slimmed down version with just text but the icons show least remaining time so I figured that might be more helpful for folks
silent ruin
Imagine not pressing rotten buff shuriken, but using an aura
chrome palm
@warm marlin well i had a not scuffed mugzee
old opener with tfd
is in fact nuts
that opening burst is quite something
swift tinsel
old opener was just strike evisc vanish strike flag rupture wasn't it
also fuck warlocks btw
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992> well i had a not scuffed mugzee
i bet you didn't get gaols x2 and frost boots 
huge gold number tho
chrome palm
i got no frost boots and 1 gaol
and got like 10k on you lmao
im gonna start paying your guildies
to grip you on the bosses i need
chrome palm
but your opener adds 3 mil to my top hitting sec tech
when you arent turbo unlucky with sht
warm marlin
i watched my vods back and once it did kinda grief my sectec
i fucked the timing up a bit so the second clone attack didn't hit in dance
11.5M first hit, 5M second hit 
chrome palm
rip
i had a bad parse on sprocket but
beating mm and dev inside of lust is really good
warm marlin
our kill times are getting scuffed because the rat brigade is just flooding our roster
chrome palm
rik died before clones on 2nd sec tech hit him lmao
cursed kill timings
do you mean trials lol
or alts
warm marlin
alts
warm marlin
rik died before clones on 2nd sec tech hit him lmao
ive never had the 3min flag
we always kill at like 3:00-3:15
short radish
also fuck warlocks btw
warm marlin
to grip you on the bosses i need
i literally just need vexie
but it continues to elude me
50% chance we even phase at the right time
chrome palm
vexie is literally
when you kill the boss
like my best kill there
if we got it 3 min
it wouldnt been same as r1
warm marlin
idk every time we kill at horrible time and i proc nothing in the burn if we even start it at the correct time
a couple weeks ago I shot 4 bikes 
wish i had a dinar still so i could buy signet for that fight
chrome palm
i am really dumb
and i just afk for 30s every time
i think my guild just holds bikes so they get their 2min send
i should just dance instead idk
ill have to send my bikes ig
sht be damned
chrome palm
honestly probably is if boss dies faster
final agate
So, I'm following the wowhead sub guide for delve/open world... Playing rogue for the first time in forever I figure I'd use it to get a basic understanding. That said... They have me taking Blackjack and note ToT in the class talent tree but So tricky in Trickster talent tree... Why? Am I missing something? What's the benefit of taking a talent that interacts with a skill you didn't take. O.o
warm marlin
and i just afk for 30s every time
i mean i think its fine
2 dances after flag window, 1 symbols sectec at 125-130ish
overcap dances a bit but having 2 full charges going into burn is good, lets you 4x dance 4x sectec
final agate
Feel free to take the other talentin the hero tree
Was planning on that, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something about a proc or some such.
tender granite
Was planning on that, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something about ...
ToT+So Tricky makes for an easy delve experience, maybe the guide was implying to swap based on whether you're delving or doing open world stuff
final agate
ToT+So Tricky makes for an easy delve experience, maybe the guide was implying t...
Possible. I could see it.
tribal blade
https://wago.io/c2bNfOnQV
is there a WA that does this too
i've been trying to find one
swift tinsel
I haven’t looked for one, I figured plater was the route to go there
I can poke around a bit tomorrow though
Modifying nameplates via weakauras is a bit beyond my current knowledge but it would be really cool to learn if it’s possible
tribal blade
mostly because i'm not using plater atm
maybe i should just take the plunge and use plater
pliant topaz
YO U GUYS SEEING THIS GAME 5????
DRAVEN PYKE
NID RENEKTON
CHOVY AURORA FAKER SYLAS
bleak night
dude
pliant topaz
MY GOD I LOST
bleak night
t1 actually drafted the most gigachad comp possible
this is a stomp one way or another
pliant topaz
oooneeer
my gfoat
he canceled it
holy fuck doran
DOOOOOOOOOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
pliant topaz
u know, one time, i was coaching a plat 3 player how to play midgame
and i told him, when u dont have tp, dont be on the fuckign opposite side of the next objective
unfortunatey that faker doesnt know that lesson
then doran runs it down
then doran runs down without tp when attakan is up
pliant topaz
deserved loss
disgusting animals t1
they played so bad the entire series
shoulda gotten 3-1'd btw
idle aurora
What would play out better maining assassination gear and stat wise and also playing sub or maining sub and also playing assassination
What has the less hurt on the switch 🙂
bleak night
playing sub stats is probably easier
sub probably dislikes haste more than assa likes having it
idle aurora
That statement makes a lot of sense ty 🙂
gilded ferry
disgusting animals t1
round 2 will come
formal helm
https://wago.io/c2bNfOnQV
Ty ty
brisk onyx
runic trail
short radish
keen dome
bleak night
runic trail
<:frag:1364586955765186671>
Illegal
runic trail
<:garfem:1364594282052321410>
PTR folk, how's the shuriken storm in cooldowns thing feeling?
vale pine
things feel very similar to live
formal helm
fallow nimbus
We won't have to do that if coup stacks could go beyond 4
So sectec strike coup strike coup would never waste stacks
Or sht stacking before cds
kindred jacinth
How does new tier affect st dps profile of sub? More or less burst? Changed timings? Compared to 11.1.x
tight bloom
You have more CDR for sure
runic trail
things feel very similar to live
That cow discord skin thing is cursed
brisk onyx
<:garfem:1364594282052321410>
wtf I like this
short radish
wtf I like this
brisk onyx
umbral topaz
So we got any logs from raid testing?
How we looking? Good or dooming?
short radish
So we got any logs from raid testing?
How we looking? Good or dooming?
good in the sense that we're getting rid of this shitty ass tier set
numbers are a meme atm though
but yeah as always
expect nothing
to minimise disappointment
tribal blade
to minimise disappointment
insert mj spiderman disappointment meme
i post it too much, just imagine it this time
cloud rover
insert mj spiderman disappointment meme
Prophet (Doomhim)
umbral topaz
True, current tier set is shit...
New ones look janky aswell tho.
But ye i already accepted that i'll play a non-rogue alt next season, because i aint expecting anything good to come to rogue...
Midnight hero talents rework pls 
(i seriously doubt they'll even do anything at all, so cant even cope for full reworks)
vale pine
That cow discord skin thing is cursed
you can get it by watching a 1 min cringe fortnite video
keen dome
we'll get the sub buff patch tomrorow, 100%
tulip gorge
we'll get the sub buff patch tomrorow, 100%
why tomorrow
keen dome
Because it's the future.
runic trail
He can feel it in his bones
keen dome
And I can't be wrong yet.
keen dome
But what if it did (Also ptr, not live 'cos lmao 11.1.7 is donezo)
runic trail
Keeping us on our toes
keen dome
true 😦
runic trail
I don't think we need buffs anyhow, just some hero talent tweaks and bug fixes would be nice
keen dome
I want the 15th to roll around so I can start leveling my DH (while getting mystery bags)
keen dome
I don't think we need buffs anyhow, just some hero talent tweaks and bug fixes w...
pretty much ye. I'd rather any work done goes on fundamental reworks of a few talents, etc. Sub is good.
We could just be better.
And by better i mean they could delete PV and replace it with a node that goes "When you crit, you shoot fireworks" and it'd actively be a better talent node.
runic trail
I'd rather have some issues with the specs and talents fixed instead of a 'here, have an aura buff'
strong shoal
Ily homies
keen dome
same, royal
runic trail
Ily too
strong shoal
void ocean
r we S-tier yet on ptr
keen dome
yes
short radish
no because we cant shroud past anything in the new raid
alpine wraith
we are good for sure guys this time trust
keen dome
I know it
void ocean
augs, eat ur hearts out
void ocean
they take our spots in m+
alpine wraith
tell them to ignore those other unethical specs doing too much dmg
formal helm
And by better i mean they could delete PV and replace it with a node that goes "...
isn't this the case for like...half the tree?
vale pine
r we S-tier yet on ptr
not sure, but i got this tier list leaked from a very accurate source
alpine wraith
not sure, but i got this tier list leaked from a very accurate source
that will never get old
lilac stag
I don't think we need buffs anyhow, just some hero talent tweaks and bug fixes w...
wcl stats would disagree. dev time as well. far easier and less time to smack another 5% on the spec.
keen dome
isn't this the case for like...half the tree?
Less than half, imo. There's like.. a handful of really pointless nodes that just don't fit with it,imo. And then a load of others that are very "eeeeh"
vale pine
to be honest, blizz seems like behind shedule
keen dome
I'd rather they focus on stuff like: PV, Lingering Shadow, Shot in the Dark, etc. Just stuff that really.. why does it exist where it does. What does it do.
vale pine
in general, not just specific classes/specs
keen dome
Ye, same
It feels like they're rushing to get content out again and that never goes well.
vale pine
tww seems like a xpac they tried (again) to reduce the release cycle time
and faild in execution besides introducing strategies which mean they need to do less work (content re-use)
keen dome
Everything has felt like it could've benefited from an extra month or two of cooking time
runic trail
I'd rather have content droughts than rushed things as a player however, as a business, that'd not be the best
keen dome
Ye
lilac stag
It feels like they're rushing to get content out again and that never goes well.
We’re back in the SL Ion era imo
slate marlin
they said tjey wanted shorter expansions
vale pine
I'd rather have content droughts than rushed things as a player however, as a bu...
you get now the best of both worlds.
- less content and at the same pace as before
slate marlin
not fun when that means we get less content or recycled one
keen dome
We’re back in the SL Ion era imo
Ye. S1 was such a harsh step back towards a more frustrating design space. S2 has been considerably better until the mess of 11.1.5. .7 has been solid though.
vale pine
bonus points for early access, so you also spend more money on it
lilac stag
what is solid in .7?
keen dome
Collectors bounty is really good. The delve stuff is absolutely fine and they clearly learned lessons from the ring, which was good.
lilac stag
the delve stuff was absolutely pointless (saying this as someone that enjoys delves)
keen dome
Duos?
keen dome
You know, it's called Duos but you typically fight 4 - 6 bosses at once
Then again the whole mode is some of the most confusingly designed content I've ever seen in WoW lmao
lilac stag
A 5 year old that can taste purple
keen dome
me
lilac stag
If the crayon fits. 
alpine wraith
maybe it was a 1 dev journey like the DMF upgrade
alpine wraith
and they just sent it
keen dome
If the crayon fits. <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
my main rank in another discord is "Crayon Eater" so, it def fits.
lilac stag
maybe it was a 1 dev journey like the DMF upgrade
1/2 a dev and copilot
alpine wraith
so you are a marine
vale pine
i mean i can't complain much about them
keen dome
No, a titan main in Destiny 2
vale pine
outside of:
- some of the achivements don't work
- the game mode is chaotic, its hard to follow whats going on
lilac stag
Renown not working for their catchup mechanic
lilac stag
so .7 👎🏻
vale pine
reminder that it took blizz a month to fix their combat logging so subtlety did actually appar in logs again
keen dome
collectors bounty is extremely good because it's a bit of "reivist old content" impacting every kind of player, and something I hope they revisit and redo.
That's the kind of content drought 'content' they should look at doing more often imo
vale pine
was not a ig deal only first month of a major patch, people look at the statistics to make decisions for what to play
its a bandaid
also you can only do certain things a few times
e.g. i am not sure if i want to do timerunning again
keen dome
Nod
I'm curious how Legion Remix will feel
Positive side is it's, apperently, being run and designed by the puzzle bike guy.
vale pine
even plunderstorm got a bit meh after 2nd round, so unsure i would love a 3rd one
keen dome
They are doing another event instead
Something in Duskwood but it's gone silent since they initially announced it.
So.. who knows, haha
Something I'm curious about with Legion Remix: it'll potentially introduce a lot of people to artfiact weapons, and class halls. And I imagine they will really like those ('cos they're great systems)
And I wonder if that's potentially opening pandora's box for Midnight. UNless, of course, Blizz is planning on bringing those systems back...
vale pine
e.g. plunderstorm with new maps and abilities would probably be fine, but same map and only minor changes is just too repetitive
keen dome
Yeah
runic trail
Legion would have been perfect if they didn't fuck the legendaries up initially
vale pine
they fucked up ap and legendary items
runic trail
I'm not upset due to getting the feint healing legs initially
Not st all
(I was sub at the time, I wanted the boots)
vale pine
i got the utility legendaries first
means you essentially played with 10%+ less dps fr the first 2 tiers
very good design
coarse hound
I got the ret cape and ring and praised the rng gods yelled Deus Vult everytime I pressed crusade
didnt get to play rogue at all
4/10
runic trail
means you essentially played with 10%+ less dps fr the first 2 tiers
At least I could heal every time I hit feint, so that was... Something
vale pine
haha true
fallow nimbus
We have the car mechanic, so World of Carcraft could be a thing
runic trail
We have the car mechanic, so World of Carcraft could be a thing
Car mechanic is fun but where are my multiplayer races
alpine wraith
maybe they need to also introduce horse racing to wow
formal helm
At least I could heal every time I hit feint, so that was... Something
now you can combine it with trickster for unseen blade refreshes!
legion remix with hero talents in game? 👀
jagged perch
guys does sub just not do anything without cds or am i playing wrong
runic trail
guys does sub just not do anything without cds or am i playing wrong
We basically do nothing outside of CDs
jagged perch
so i just cry got it
runic trail
Optimal gameplay is for our damage graph to resemble a toblerone
jagged perch
most fun rogue spec with cds but then i can basically get up and go do something else for 1.5 mins then come back and play and its the same dps
runic trail
You still send mini CDs between your CDs
So you're doing some things
Its the 20 seconds before flag where its just, OKAY THEN
short radish
guys does sub just not do anything without cds or am i playing wrong
!design
MOROES?????
runic trail
He dead
north schooner
how terribly clumsy of him
lilac stag
guys does sub just not do anything without cds or am i playing wrong
!design
hmm did we break the bot
cloud rover
He just vanished
runic trail
He's been working hard, he needs a nap
lilac stag
He just *vanished*
hanging out with the rogue devs
cloud rover
True
vale pine
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
runic trail
Oh shit he's back
cloud rover
Now He cant anymore 
cloud rover
!roguenotes
Hey @tribal blade you must be desperate, maybe you should seek help
tribal blade
Hey <@146180393941336064> you must be desperate, maybe you should seek help
that's why i'm in this channel 😉
cloud rover
that's why i'm in this channel 😉
Ahh
tribal blade
it's like group therapy
tribal blade
S in sub stands for self-hatred
heehee
man i just realized outlaw essentially got a 3% dmg gain going into next season
lilac stag
tribal blade
since they buffed mystic touch
lilac stag
Needs a 15% buff because uptime cuz
lilac stag
sorry damage amps. Spec bad
tribal blade
it's always doom and gloom about the target cap until they're topping the meters
tribal blade
sorry damage amps. Spec bad
true that will be where they struggle
lilac stag
watches them be more than fine 
hazy breach
man i just realized outlaw essentially got a 3% dmg gain going into next season
Or a 3% damage nerf whenever youre not playing with a monk
Depends on how you look at things
tribal blade
Or a 3% damage nerf whenever youre not playing with a monk
lol that's so true
lilac stag
monk mandatory now
tribal blade
it'll be like sub with skyfury
north schooner
it is worse than no skyfury sub with the buff to 8%
lilac stag
Your melee comps will force it id imagine.
hazy breach
Ranged get 6% more damage from their raidbuffs and melee get 15%
Wonder whos better in keys where you dont have all of them
tribal blade
the meta of stacking raid buffs is getting annoying ngl
no matter what happens it always feels so difficult to just play with the good players you want to play with
be it class buffs or comp issues with lust/bres
slate marlin
just give raid buff scrolls
lilac stag
big scribe union talking here
north schooner
or allow to pick some permanently active raidbuffs in m+
brittle plinth
The potential meta tanks at least align to us for sure. I would enjoy alternatives to classes in m+
brittle plinth
or allow to pick some permanently active raidbuffs in m+ <:garf_sit:133488942944...
This.
Maybe pick a load out at start.
It diminishes class identity - wow forum lurkers
lilac stag
they legit can’t win. If you can pick whatever it’s going to be the same group setup (tuned highest) even more than it is now
leaden prairie
Wonder whos better in keys where you dont have all of them
I legit dont know
how to feel about raid buffs in m+
tribal blade
i can see the argument though of certain classes/specs never ever getting brought because they're tuned low and you can just nab their raid buff before the key starts
brittle plinth
Balance is super hard
void ocean
we need death grip
leaden prairie
without raid buffs you wouldnt have a second meta comp
brittle plinth
And thankless
leaden prairie
right
tribal blade
they legit can’t win. If you can pick whatever it’s going to be the same group s...
yes exactly my thought
good point
north schooner
they legit can’t win. If you can pick whatever it’s going to be the same group s...
yes because to them 90% of the runs using the same comp doesn't diminish it
quoted the wrong thing
tribal blade
without raid buffs you wouldnt have a second meta comp
true
leaden prairie
but like you play outlaw in the ranged comp and you do 20% less damage
which is
a big number
sooo idk
brittle plinth
In reality, this is a player created problem. Meta barely matters in 99% of the keys being done but player base ducking under ceilings they'll never hit.
lilac stag
Same combo as sub you do 35% less 
leaden prairie
sub cant even get all the buffs it needs
lilac stag
super m+ spec
north schooner
In reality, this is a player created problem. Meta barely matters in 99% of the ...
it is player created, but the community makes it worse by exaggerating the impact of comps
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tribal blade
maybe they need to just nerf every single raid buff
north schooner
you have all these tier lists etc
tribal blade
to smaller numbers
brittle plinth
maybe they need to just nerf every single raid buff
We did this before lol
This is reversing on the mop or WoD raid buff bloat
north schooner
then lil billy wants to run metagolem for this +10
tribal blade
We did this before lol
i honestly don't remember
lilac stag
it is player created, but the community makes it worse by exaggerating the impac...
Most LFG normie keys only want the path of least resistance to timing it.
tribal blade
i dunno maybe every buff becomes like 2%
brittle plinth
The comp isn't saving us
tribal blade
or even 1%
brittle plinth
Dummies = low key ppl like me
leaden prairie
i think meta matters more than you guys realize
hazy breach
sub cant even get all the buffs it needs
Ye you have to skip like dh or druid but those are like 2% so not the end of the world
leaden prairie
its easier to just copy what the top teams does
than create everything from scratch
hazy breach
But annoying that casters get way less from buffs than melee
slate marlin
its like raiding, you just copy top guild strats
north schooner
But annoying that casters get way less from buffs than melee
not just fewer buffs, but also lower impact buffs so if you miss one it's not as noticeable
hazy breach
its easier to just copy what the top teams does
Most of the time you can just copy it anyway though
slate marlin
You can just pick the meta comp and do the meta route, instead of changing it for the classes you have
which doesnt matter either for most people
hazy breach
Obv not everything, like the 8 magus pull in top from mdi
brittle plinth
Most of that stuff applies to any class
hazy breach
Not doable without beam
north schooner
sub having a -6% from no skyfury and outlaw soon a -7% from no MT is insane
brittle plinth
Some few things don't
slate marlin
skyfury is 6? wtf
brittle plinth
Ya it's scary
slate marlin
doesnt feel like a 6%
hazy breach
More like 5
slate marlin
in st or aoe?
slate marlin
i thought it would be closer to 10
hazy breach
Ye but thats with some scuffed talents that for some reason sim higher in dslice but feels way worse in practice 
lilac stag
But it doesn't matter to them
Think of it more like this. You go to a new restaurant with a friend, we shall call him Tank. You ask tank what’s good and Tank says I usually get the. Number 6 with an Onion Rings and a Coke. You: ok let’s get that! All of the sudden you got a tuna melt and you’re allergic to the tuna.
Mass wow populous just hears something is good, has no clue why or if it’s actually bad for them (toxic key leaver meta chaser).
I just wanted lunch and to get it done before my break was over.
brittle plinth
Bloodlust lol
north schooner
the scuffed talents being TFD?
brittle plinth
Think of it more like this. You go to a new restaurant with a friend, we shall c...
We agree, I'm talking a fantasy ideal state
lilac stag
Doesn’t exist
brittle plinth
Hence fantasy
lilac stag
Fantasy world based in reality
brittle plinth
I'd have Jessica Alba in bed if it did
Kinda funny first gif on search was so on point
hazy breach
the scuffed talents being TFD?
No, dark brew and only 1 extra symbols charge
leaden prairie
Most of the time you can just copy it anyway though
maybe
idk
we do completly different routes than the top groups wiht our comp
hazy breach
I agree with you
leaden prairie
i have seen people say our routes are cooked
truth is
we just dont have the same comp
crazy
lilac stag
Kinda funny first gif on search was so on point
keen dome
I can't believe i had to log off.
runic trail
I can't believe i had to log off.
Rip the 2 year logged in streak
lilac stag
confirmed. sub rogue deleted.
brittle plinth
Wow = mount gambling simulator
steel zinc
https://wago.io/ZpPc-YY4v updated version. If you have <5 find weakness out and ...
nice gj
hollow spear
https://wago.io/ZpPc-YY4v updated version. If you have <5 find weakness out and ...
I will steal this, try to make it part of my WA package and nuke the whole thing while trying
swift tinsel
Lmao help yourself!
Might need a little fine-tuning so if y’all find stuff that’s weird with it lmk
steel zinc
Might need a little fine-tuning so if y’all find stuff that’s weird with it lmk
Tbf this is really good because it's 2 in one target count and conditions for it
Most specs you just have st or aoe
And not something in between
idle aurora
Think of it more like this. You go to a new restaurant with a friend, we shall c...
I have two friends who one trick Windwalker and demonology doesn’t matter good or bad they play it they 99 parse damn near everything and always out dps everyone even when class is bad. Hard to pug m+ for them. We have another friend who is endlessly rerolling and regearing to “best” meta spec. His play experience is awful always complaining always doing bad dps and bricking high level keys yet he always gets invites it’s insane how stupid people are.
daring marlin
Bro we have literally the worst uhdks on our raid group which was doing 2.2m damage on oab but still timed +18s. They took their oab kill and immediately left progress
hazy breach
Some people are just silly like that
fallow nimbus
I get actively denied 99 parses because the sham thinks he needs to play his 684 dk for vault
swift tinsel
time to catch the t1-gen series I couldn't watch yesterday
tender granite
time to catch the t1-gen series I couldn't watch yesterday
Some really crazy moments in there, great series
swift tinsel
its the perfect distraction from the SharePoint mining I have to do today
vale pine
Good luck with that, SharePoint is for sure one software not that fun to work with
oblique burrow
True, i hate working with it
swift tinsel
I try to actively avoid interacting with it since we pretty much only use Drive but the university forced SharePoint previously and I have to hunt through it to find old docs from prev student scans and its giving me more grey hairs
alpine wraith
i hate onedrive/sharepoint and teams
i mainly do L3-4 things but sometimes i get called by the big wigs and have to do some things on those
the pay is big per call but having to fix cameras on teams is always silly
swift tinsel
Teams' reliance on Edge is criminal
also sharepoint just ignoring booleans is driving me nuts
keen dome
I have to use teams twice in the coming weeks and I'm not looking forward to it
swift tinsel
I usually have at least one or two meetings via teams a day and its the worst part of my day
keen dome
if I was microsoft I would simply not make my ciritical business tools hell to use but then I'm built different
lilac stag
They need Apple to do more interface upgrades to copy.
oblique burrow
Anyone got a good raid guide for sub? Into season 3 😁
void ocean
Anyone got a good raid guide for sub? Into season 3 😁
yes. just follow the 5D rule
dodge, dive, dip, duck and dodge
sacred yarrow
void ocean
if u can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a swirly
oblique burrow
No i mean to do damage
void ocean
No i mean to do damage
u know how they say, defense is the best offense
oblique burrow
True very true
lilac stag
https://tenor.com/view/dodge-the-matrix-swerve-lunge-dive-gif-22197111
Rogue dev avoiding blue posts and sub bugs
pliant topaz
void ocean
is that PS5
left ledge
Keyboard
toxic cedar
g+z+1 brother how do you press that LMFAO
void ocean
looks like a Mortal Kombat fatality cheat sheet
left ledge
Fingers
void ocean
if u r old enough to play Mortal Kombat
left ledge
I’ve played my fair share of all fighter games
Shit on shao khan few times as a younger me
graceful osprey
No way goremaw is a thing now is it?
hazy breach
nop
Any talent whose main purpose is to give energy is going to forever remain shit until they rework shadowcraft or our energy economy
(thistle tea is alright in aoe next tier but thats moreso because the mastery it gives)
vale pine
goremaws solves a problem we don't have
left ledge
goremaws solves a problem we don't have
Ironic considering when it was introduced
vale pine
i mean it was rly just a few people who even wanted it
left ledge
i mean it was rly just a few people who even wanted it
Yeah, and sadly instead of anything else, we got goremaw 
swift tinsel
hey we got sepsis too
left ledge
No that one got removed
swift tinsel
we still got it the same time we got goremaws
left ledge
I think sepsis would’ve unironically been better than goremaw
void ocean
we dont need that many cds
hazy breach
Ye but not by a whole lot anyway
void ocean
especially if it would also be 90 sec
swift tinsel
if anything please combine flag and blades
bleak night
i want more cds personally
left ledge
Ye but not by a whole lot anyway
Trash or garbage pick and choose
void ocean
flag 45sec, blades 90sec and we gucci
bleak night
i dream of a world where we have sepsis, goremaw, and tornado all together again
left ledge
For what it’s worth I think flag and blades are in a very good spot
I would be very disappointed if they changed them
swift tinsel
unless they wanna add an appreciable amount of damage back to flag
swift tinsel
they've been memed on since 10.2
legit never taken unless its people dead set on making them work
pliant topaz
wait is roue officially the least popular class as a whole? even less than monk and evoker?
LETS GO WE DID IT GJ LADS!
bleak night
ye incredibly based
left ledge
wait is roue officially the least popular class as a whole? even less than monk ...
Hasn’t it been this way
swift tinsel
I think evoker might be just barely below
left ledge
Since forever
runic trail
wait is roue officially the least popular class as a whole? even less than monk ...
We are if you look at warcraftlogs parses as well, probably not the best metric but I take what data I can get
pliant topaz
Hasn’t it been this way
nope, was more popular last time i checked. monk and evoker were lower
now theyre both more popular
left ledge
I swear at least on rio rogue was always lowest
void ocean
we the few willing
swift tinsel
monk gonna see an upswing next season too if brew is lookin good
left ledge
Evoker yeah
But monk I’ve never seen lower than rogue
@pliant topaz is sub the lowest one
On that triple bar
Surely not right
Haha
thorny rivet
Rogue is butt cheeks
void ocean
outlaw was lower this season
runic trail
Total rogue parses in mythic undermine: 21267
Total evoker parses in mythic undermine: 33658
Thats over the last 2 weeks
pliant topaz
<@639956635300790285> is sub the lowest one
okay i checked, It was basically even with the bottom 3 in dragonflight season 1, 2, 3 like look at this. bottom, but very very close
left ledge
outlaw was lower this season
You know I wanted to believe this so I went and checked
runic trail
May not be the best data set to work on but yeah, I take what data I can get
left ledge
okay i checked, It was basically even with the bottom 3 in dragonflight season 1...
Ah yeah
pliant topaz
but now, its basically half as much as the other low ones
and yes, sub is the lowest
left ledge
pliant topaz
gj team! we did it! im proud of everyones effort!
left ledge
Back in our prime
hoary sun
People lack taste fuckem
left ledge
Maybe they’ll forget about us and let a lil prepull fuckery happen again
void ocean
tbf i did stop checkin logs like before April ended but back then outlaw had the fewest parses for sure
runic trail
Ret pala has almost twice the number of recorded parses as rogue in the same time period
pliant topaz
People lack taste fuckem
by taste you mean they dont wanna pay $xx a month so the dev team can drop em a huge fuck you every wednesday?
kinky
hoary sun
You just made me sad
left ledge
slate marlin
if anything please combine flag and blades
yes pls
swift tinsel
duuuuuude.
hazy breach
Why 
void ocean
DS SUB IS BACK
leaden prairie
Why <a:KEKWBASS:740244635540258836>
cause its piss for outlaw
runic trail
DS SUB IS BACK
NO
leaden prairie
so outlaw get a normal 20% tier set like every spec in the game
runic trail
TAKE IT BACK. I DON'T WANT THIS MONKEY PAW WISH.
swift tinsel
DS SUB IS BACK
NO THE FUCK IT IS NOT
leaden prairie
and sub get a 70% tier set
and no one ask any questions
i wont ask any if you dont ask any eleem
deal?
void ocean
everyone delete ur ptr clients
swift tinsel
bro if I log in and see bugfixes on top of this I'm gonna fucking pre so hard
runic trail
not ds buffs
not ds buffs without changes to how ds functions
pallid inlet
Fuck it, who cares number go up
void ocean
slate marlin
not ds buffs without changes to how ds functions <:uglyassdog:137050982728086740...
managing mark on aoe is so fking depressing
swift tinsel
I'm certainly not logging into ptr right now
runic trail
I'd much rather tweaks to how the hero talent works instead of just, here, have some number.
slate marlin
BUT trickster buffed too so
runic trail
Like, I'll take number
runic trail
I'm not going to complain about number. But tweaks would have been better.
swift tinsel
this is absolutely not a lesser W lol
severe prism
Like, I'll take number
I don't feel like we're getting anything else than numbers anytime soon 😅
runic trail
this is absolutely not a lesser W lol
This is them going, 'huh, things are a bit scuffed. idk aura buff problem sorted'
void ocean
now we S tier for sure
graceful rock
slate marlin
this is absolutely not a lesser W lol
lesser W compared to bugfixes and tweaks to how hero tslents work
but obviously still a w
runic trail
Effectiveness of second cdg increased, so is this just damage or does effectiveness tie into cdr somehow?
chrome palm
just damage
runic trail
Its weird that they worded it that way then. Normally they'd just say 'Damage increased for...'
chrome palm
id be suprised if it meant all the effects
slate marlin
well cdr os bc of combo points spent
swift tinsel
checking atm
chrome palm
would be cool
swift tinsel
but I suspect its just damage
runic trail
id be suprised if it meant all the effects
Same, its just worded weird so it made me think. (A rare occurrence dw it won't happen again)
chrome palm
they use similar language
hazy breach
My reaction to the buffs
chrome palm
for current mm tier
runic trail
Okay fair
bleak night
well its tier so maybe week 2-3
chrome palm
hopefully the fuck not
alpine wraith
im quite amazed
left ledge
OH BABY
alpine wraith
does the 150% apply to the cp?
left ledge
IVE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE
slate marlin
we need the sims only to see if trickster still ahead
alpine wraith
time for a week 1 slammer
slate marlin
does the 150% apply to the cp?
no way
alpine wraith
could be
left ledge
Gutted like a fish week 1
sly shore
150% coup is nice team
swift tinsel
looks like cdr is not affected
sly shore
ds sub still unplayable isn't it
runic trail
we need the sims only to see if trickster still ahead
I mean I'm playing trickster anyhow
Like, nah, DS could be 50% ahead, I don't want it
left ledge
Please please nobody play sub
swift tinsel
at least not for sectech
bleak night
it says all effects but its just damaging effects im 99% sure
runic trail
Just don’t touch the spec
Can I play it and do badly?
left ledge
Let’s make it past actual patch release this time
left ledge
Can I play it and do badly?
Yes
runic trail
Fair
swift tinsel
ye looks like just 2nd coup dmg is buffed
slate marlin
Remove evis off your bars
so play ds and spam bp
left ledge
Ngl I don’t like seeing DS buffed
At this rate surely you just play DS at 2p until you get 4p for trickster
swift tinsel
idk trickster 2pc still good
slate marlin
I dont want to manage mark on sub aoe
left ledge
You guys think the trickster 2p gonna outdo the DS one?
swift tinsel
you're still getting more coups ing eneral
yes
unless they change stuff with core ds
left ledge
Damn idk at least in ST I can’t see that
swift tinsel
i.e. everything about mark
slate marlin
Cant funnel if u are smashing your keyboard bc of deathstslker
runic trail
Cant funnel if u are smashing your keyboard bc of deathstslker
Apparently there are still bosses that just eat your mark
alpine wraith
i would use trickster anyway
runic trail
Hopefully that gets fixed
left ledge
How much of our ST is straight up DS damage?
swift tinsel
actually with the tier set change and timing fatal intent might show up on details
left ledge
Like 15-20?
shrewd lantern
can we just having flensing knives back
instead of fatal shit
Lowkey feel half the reason they removed it is because it feels like a copy of hunt them down
left ledge
If DS is only 15% our dam (which I think might be lowball) then 2p is straight up 7.5% damage no?
swift tinsel
omg it tickles a tiny bit harder
gonna find a more secluded dummy to see if I can get more stacks
crit procs for less than an Unseen Blade lol
hazy breach
Exact same as last PTR 
bleak night
swift tinsel
Yeah I'm already mentally prepared to lose both buffs and see outlaw keep them
left ledge
Exact same as last PTR <a:Classic:1115740226476855448>
Hehehehehe
alpine wraith
only 8% might not be enough
alpine wraith
from 150& effect to 75
and chance to proc double unseen to 15%
200% inc dmg to backstab
steel zinc
Exact same as last PTR <a:Classic:1115740226476855448>
yeah just didnt expect it
slate marlin
Are we forgetting the mandatory bp buffs or...?
left ledge
Then we will have certain people come in here
And argue that sub did get buffed
And so the cycle continues
alpine wraith
man that time we lost our identity once again
pliant topaz
@hazy breach "effectiveness" means purely the dmaage right? now the buffs, cdr etc
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> "effectiveness" means purely the dmaage right? now the buf...
I think its only the damage
swift tinsel
yeah
slate marlin
yes
swift tinsel
I don't see any extra cdr, snd duration, etc
pliant topaz
its a really big buff still then...
hazy breach
Not huge no
pliant topaz
2nd coup has more flag stacks always, more dm stacks, more flawlessform buffs, its the harder hitting one
hazy breach
But i was expecting a nerf not a buff
pliant topaz
not a huge buffm but a suspicously large buff
swift tinsel
I'm not looking this particular gift horse in the mouth
left ledge
But i was expecting a *nerf* not a buff
Oh dw my dear friend
swift tinsel
but I'm battening down the hatches
keen dome
Wait, did they buff something? Was my wild prediction right.
runic trail
Wait, did they buff something? Was my wild prediction right.
Changes happened
slate marlin
kingsbane stacks uncapped, dmg increased by 25%
swift tinsel
never doubt my motherfucking plums
jaunty heath
could still be beans but happy to be in the notes
bleak night
swift tinsel
I'll venmo that beautiful man rn
brittle plinth
swift tinsel
keen dome
150% coups sound nice
swift tinsel
I'm a fan
pliant topaz
its just a numerical tuning buff, not really a change. but also probably gnna come with nerfs to subs core abilities to compensate
who knows
runic trail
never doubt my motherfucking plums
Pondering the Dave instead of pondering the orb
bleak night
another sectec nerf huge
tender frost
this tier set has to be upwards of like 30% now right
keen dome
its just a numerical tuning buff, not really a change. but also probably gnna co...
noooooooo 
You are probably right.
But noooooo.
swift tinsel
what's our baseline relative to other specs
30% tier set in a vacuum vs us w/o tier
keen dome
Sub season
left ledge
We gotta bot frag the logs on ptr
crisp lion
where'd they post the buffs?
sly shore
everywhere
crisp lion
thanks!
bleak night
crisp lion
chilling man bout to do some mythic testin
swift tinsel
lmfao coup is silly its def getting nerfed
crisp lion
you watch t1 gen g last night?
bleak night
lmfao coup is silly its def getting nerfed
shut up
pliant topaz
you watch t1 gen g last night?
dont bring it up im still tilted....
crisp lion
🙂
bleak night
i actually dont think they beat AL if they play like that again
warm marlin
so here's a fun implication (from what i understand about the tier)
bleak night
was wild
crisp lion
im going to the finals on saturday, if T1s not there I swear...
dude thats gonna be sick
I believe in t1
warm marlin
if the second coup is 150% effectiveness, each cp is worth 50% more than usual
so you always want to build to max for that coup
bleak night
gen g debuff is too huge for t1
pliant topaz
I believe in t1
dude I wanted the finals to be T1 vs AL but now its gonna be geng vs one of them and now im sad
I also had tickets for T1 BLG games and dude the stadium was blowing up, it was such a vibe! i feel like AL t1 woulda been the same