subtlety

[remote shuttle]

If u run crit/mast yep, useless out of cds

[plush roost]

Backstab because its more damage than not pressing any buttons whatsoever. The 3 dry eviscerates you'd do in that 15 second window coming up to flag don't do a lot of damage compared to cds and losing tier set before cds is a significant loss.The sht stacks are just a bonus.

[maiden oar]

oh ok thanks

was more comparing backstab to rupture spam

since i figure sht stacks > rupture right

oh also is rupture > evisc for this same reason if you need the cdr?

[chrome palm]

You can overcap on rupture by casting it after flag

Shouldnt conflict with sht

You also shouldn’t need the cdr if you’re holding dance properly, unless you’re talking about keys where you might send dance really late for a certain event

[runic trail]

I'm waiting on the tech where we hit nothing for 20seconds before flag

Back to the boss, no abilities

[vestal escarp]

peak tbh

[runic trail]

Charging our spirit bomb

[chrome palm]

This is as close to that as it’ll come lol

[runic trail]

No, we can sink deeper

Just need Eleem to cook some meth

[chrome palm]

Have you done high rookeries as sub

Legit afk

For longer than 20s just backstab

Peak

[plush roost]

Did we ever confirm if its a gain on ptr for 7+ shadowtech stacks into cds with coup ready?

[runic trail]

Nah, I hate m+ pushing

[vestal escarp]

you've done your job if you do 0 dmg on shield

[plush roost]

So you're not wasting escalating blades

Or just L escalating

[runic trail]

I just do weekly 10s if I need vault and that's as far as I go m+ wise

[chrome palm]

To be fair you can probably mega hold even then if you’ll have flag

For fun

[plush roost]

Someones gotta hear me out, 4 seconds before cds, symbols and get some sht stacks before cds and send with enough time on symbols to maintain the entire cd set am i fried or am i gigabrain 🤔

*on ptr

[chrome palm]

You lose more uptime than 4s because of inevitability

Unless you mean at max cp

[plush roost]

Ye at max keep playing backstab soup for 3-4 globals

[maiden oar]

im just curious about raid yea

my thought process was rupture spam means i lose sht because i have to generate more cp

[chrome palm]

Nah just keep rupture up and always use it after flag

[maiden oar]

ok ty

[chrome palm]

And yes it does make you lose sht so you have the right idea

[maiden oar]

i will try backstab / sht farm 20s before flag and see how it is

swapping off sin to familiarize myself w sub for next season now that the spec i play really doesnt matter

[chrome palm]

As long as you can double dance and have sec tech <~10s you don’t need to worry about cdr

[maiden oar]

ty

[chrome palm]

For flag that is

[maiden oar]

[chrome palm]

20s too long though I think

That was a meme

[maiden oar]

ah ok

[chrome palm]

This is kinda feelycraft but

I do 15s

Or

If you have vanish and winning streak stacks and 2x eb you can just purely auto at 0 cp

[vestal escarp]

sounds omegacursed as soon as you try it fr

[chrome palm]

And vanish premed before flag

That is ryldd tech

[maiden oar]

that makes sense

im just aggressively vanishing for cdr but i probably have enough cdr anyway

[chrome palm]

I don’t think it’s supposed to make a big difference though

Doing that is perfectly fine too

[runic trail]

Huh, I was just vanish on CD outside of cooldown windows for the CDR

[chrome palm]

Vanish is not a bad defensive outside of dance too

Vanish for cdr is also good

Helps keep fw too

If you’re eviscing

[maiden oar]

yeah i was using it for fw before flag in situations where i have to look the boss in the eye due to mechanics

[chrome palm]

Sprocketmonger

[maiden oar]

is bs spam marginally more dmg than this because of energy waste

or is it like actually pointless to worry about

[chrome palm]

Probably pointless

[maiden oar]

ah ok

[chrome palm]

I just look at it as

[maiden oar]

i gotta get used to pre disorienting also its really annoying

[chrome palm]

If I have vanish and ws and eb

Might as well get the extra sht stacks

Yeah it is

If you play the first dance in raid

It’s even better

[maiden oar]

i was going to look into that

[chrome palm]

Anything <5 min

Also

[maiden oar]

[chrome palm]

Pacemaker outperforms hotline with tfd I noticed

[maiden oar]

oh ok i dont have hotline

first season raiding in wow so i killed mugger late and just extended til ce

[chrome palm]

W

[maiden oar]

maybe i can get it soon

[chrome palm]

Just get pacemaker tbh

[maiden oar]

yeah i have that

[chrome palm]

Oh nice

[maiden oar]

next season i will frag out of my mind for sure

[chrome palm]

Ce on first season is good work

[maiden oar]

ty ty

im ffxiv refugee so im kind of cheating

not authentic noob guy

[chrome palm]

I got my first ce last season, and I started raiding in || 7.3 ||

[maiden oar]

well i guess

it depends on how serious you took it alot of my friends who played xiv just casually raided and when they randomly decided to tryhard they were insane gamers

[chrome palm]

Turns out if you actually apply to guilds, you can do things

[runic trail]

First CE this season but I only got dragged kicking and screaming into mythic raiding last season

[maiden oar]

yeah

[chrome palm]

Went from never pulling a last boss on mythic to just getting it on reclear with a new guild lol

[maiden oar]

for mugzee do you think its worth overcapping rupture on the boss to rupture rocketeers

or does that not matter

[chrome palm]

Nah

But you can hold dance

After he does his jump

[maiden oar]

i progged that fight on havoc for raid buff reasons and i tried to reclear on sin and i could not spatter the goons through the wall for some reason

so i think its a sub angle

oh ok

[chrome palm]

That’s a tank diff

[maiden oar]

ok yeah definitely a sub angle then

[chrome palm]

Sub can sec tech goons apparently

[maiden oar]

no way...

[chrome palm]

So I’ve heard

I keep

Getting sent into the cage

[maiden oar]

so strong

[chrome palm]

To just auto attack the goon

Because I’m not sending cds on it lol

[maiden oar]

hehe

is it bad to send a non flag dance on the goon

i feel like its fine if it doesnt mess with cdr right

[chrome palm]

For my timings yes

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[chrome palm]

It never lines up like that for me

[maiden oar]

i see i should look at timings then

[chrome palm]

Well if you push at 3 min

You would never dance without blades for cages

You get flag after 1st cage

Skip 2nd and get flag at the beginning of 3rd cage

[maiden oar]

i see

[chrome palm]

Last week I had to dance a goon beside it was me and a brew master alone

Feelsbadman

[maiden oar]

in my head i was last flag w 5m potion because slow killtime

so maybe i get to dance a goon

[chrome palm]

Yeah I’ve been doing that but I’m gonna stop

I’m just gonna send early and pot mid flag I think

Pray for a sec tech cleave

[maiden oar]

idk what time exactly the last rocket guy hops over post gaols

but yeah maybe lining that up is gaming

[chrome palm]

Could be

He takes a minute though

[maiden oar]

yea hes shy

[chrome palm]

[maiden oar]

also congrat

ty btw appreciate wisdom

[umbral topaz]

Any pros/cons for sub vs assa for gally mythic?

Writing here because deathstalker assa makes me wanna puke (but i still play it for most content...)

[runic trail]

Sub can help murder adds better if your raid is struggling with that, but both are fine

But at this point in the season the adds kind of fall over, I never really swapped mark off of boss for the most part.

[maiden oar]

sub is really good at add damage but if you play that way (have to target adds with sectech for optimal cleave because gallly hitbox hides the clones because hes fat) you do awful boss damage

sin is way better at boss damage but worse at killing adds

depends on what your group struggles with and what your tanks are doing

if gally isnt positioned well in p1 sub feels alot less impactful

and same goes for people exploding adds before you can finish bursting them

but if you have all boss damage guys then sub can go insane

[hazy breach]

My opinion is that it doesnt really matter, as soon as you do the baits, the bombs and the cannisters correctly the boss will die

Play what you find the most fun imo

[tepid trellis]

as long as it isnt outlaw

then yep

[tribal blade]

we have so much gear and raid buff at this point and gally isn't a dps check at all

so play w/e makes you happy

[maiden oar]

for me sin was more fun due to comp and boss positioning but if it wasnt like that id play sub

but i agree it doesnt matter too much in terms of clearing

[tepid trellis]

he wasent a dps check period xD

boss was a joke

[tribal blade]

TRUE

watching liquid raw dog the final what, 20%?

[maiden oar]

i do think sub on gally is infinitely more fun if you get to blow up all the adds in p1

but if you dont then yea

[lilac stag]

new pain unlocked. Reclearing mugzee with 5 new people. Somehow raid dps went down in 3 weeks.

[runic trail]

We tried reclearing with 8 new people

Its no longer a reclear at that point, its reprog

[lilac stag]

we had 2 missing, and our warrior quit. So yep. Reprog pain.

[tribal blade]

that's a lot of new people to put on mugzee

1/4 of your raid hasn't seen the fight yet OwO

[tepid trellis]

tbf at this point

mugzee dont really do a whole lot of mechanics xD

[runic trail]

We got CE and like... 20% of the raid team went, 'nah I'm out'

[tribal blade]

lol classic

[lilac stag]

soaks and mines and actually killing jail adds. More than enough for people that didn’t prog on it.

[tribal blade]

my raid team is like a big family so that never happens to us

[maiden oar]

im getting my bench ce then doing that because i feel like its polite

[lilac stag]

also using defensives. Kekw

[sly shore]

!fuu

[maiden oar]

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden oar]

so i cannot judge them

[runic trail]

Our issue was the positioning of p2 gaols, we were essentially just hitting our head against a wall waiting for the right people to get it

[lilac stag]

round 2 Thursday.

ended up back on assa. We needed the execute dmg.

[tepid trellis]

do those said people not have the like map that literally shows where to go?

[vale pine]

lol

[lilac stag]

Stealthi needs to raid later tier CE just once.

[runic trail]

They do

[vale pine]

you overestimate peoples ability to follow instructions

[runic trail]

Late tier CE is a zoo

[tepid trellis]

i guess i just expect people to have above room temp

iq

EU temps

not NA

[alpine wraith]

likely they dont use liquid but maybe they could have a second screen with the map or tactics

[hollow snow]

get tariffed bozo

[runic trail]

We used liquid and still

[lilac stag]

the IQ is there. It’s the multitasking of doing dmg, moving, using defensives and knowing where to go.

[tepid trellis]

then the IQ is not there

[lilac stag]

One a good day, you get 3/4

[tepid trellis]

if you cant follow a fcking map

u dont even have to press anything

just go the mark

[runic trail]

All I know is, I go to moon, life is easy

[tepid trellis]

stand still

jobs done

[lilac stag]

you need to watch Max do the RL stuff with a RWL guild.

will give you some perspective

[tepid trellis]

i mean i run into people in wow that im surprised if they dont have to manually remind themselves to breath

so

[runic trail]

The RWL folk are in RWL for a reason. I say this as a RFWL player

We ain't the best but we try

[tepid trellis]

i think what i would count as trying, is not the same as you just put it

[lilac stag]

in general you’re putting you best team out on prog. The skill of your bench is going to not necessarily be the same. Be it overall skill, preparedness, whatever. You’re quite happy you’re not canceling raid for roster boss.

any fight that needs self preservation is usually a struggle

[tepid trellis]

cuz to me trying actually means being fully prepared for a fight, so you dont get lost in a heart shaped room with a map telling you where to go

[runic trail]

For us the issues were, we had assigned places on the raidplan and sometimes the weakaura said something contrary

[tepid trellis]

well yeah

[runic trail]

So you had people flapping and not knowing which one to follow

[tepid trellis]

it accounts for people getting the gaol spawns

[runic trail]

Which led to scuffed gaols

[tepid trellis]

its needs to correctly place 4 gaols, make sure all the assigned immune soakers are in 1-2

so yeah people will get shifted around

[lilac stag]

gaols work best when no one is dead. Got someone dead and all of the sudden the plan gets turned to chaos.

[tepid trellis]

you can have 2-4 people dead

[lilac stag]

adjusting on the fly is a struggle for many

[tepid trellis]

before it goes to full shit

[runic trail]

That's something I struggle with, I play in a sort of... Machine like way. So when shit differs from the norm I kind of freeze

[tepid trellis]

im an react on the fly person

im fine with playing fully on reaction

[runic trail]

I can't do that, hence why I'm in a low rank guild

I know my limitation, that and panicking

[lilac stag]

most people can’t

Not at our rankings

[tepid trellis]

trust me

people in wr 50

cant either

[lilac stag]

Those that can are usually the ones insta assigned mechanics.

[runic trail]

Tbf our guild also had to resort to using a ret pally to throw bandit coins, you... Can't trust us to do things

[lilac stag]

I put r3 vantus runes in bank. Everyone was told to use them. Want to guess how many didn’t?

[upper narwhal]

This is why you always pretend to be an npc in raid

[tribal blade]

haha i feel that, best thing you can do is when you have mechanics that cause you to panic is to watch multiple POVs of other rogues doing the same thing

and drill what to do into your head

[runic trail]

Yeah, normally it's fine, sometimes things are skew and i just freeze and don't know how to adapt

[runic trail]

13

[tribal blade]

i think that's normal usually

for most people

[tepid trellis]

thats when the MRT ready check list comes in

[umbral topaz]

Ty for answers all 😀

[lilac stag]

Close. 7

[tepid trellis]

so you can tell them to stop being idiots

[lilac stag]

yeah well…

[runic trail]

I wouldn't mind trying out a higher wr guild but the extra pressure might not be the best for me

[lilac stag]

At times you get told once and then figure it out approach backfires. Haha

I was questioning why I added a month of game time last night.

[rich stump]

I just discovred that talent doesn't work with dance, which makes it absolutely useless under any circumstance

[tepid trellis]

whats the worst that can happen, you fail trial and you learn from it and go again

[lilac stag]

just keep laughing like everything else. Comedy good for the soul.

[hazy breach]

Correct

[runic trail]

Yeah but I am terrified of fucking up most of the time

So I just stay put

[lilac stag]

Don’t read the other talents. You’ll really get mad.

[tepid trellis]

you should only be afraid of not learning from your fuck ups

everybody fucks up

[rich stump]

I mean all the others at least do something

[runic trail]

Yeah, I just put a lot of pressure on myself to not fuck up

[hazy breach]

Shadow blades not working on nimble flurry is another classic one

[runic trail]

Which adds to the panic issue

[hazy breach]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[hazy breach]

Can check the spreadsheet here for more bugs to be "happy" about

[formal helm]

surely they address them in next patch notes

right?

at least 1 line of rog changes??

[hazy breach]

Well i prefer if they actually fix the bugs

Rather than say they fix them in patch notes

[formal helm]

fair

would be nice if we were at least mentioned in patch notes for starters

[lilac stag]

warriors and DH’s trying to compare their lack of notes to rogues on reddit was cute.

[formal helm]

think there was some hunter

complaining about lack of changes

on wowhead

on last ptr notes

[alpine wraith]

before or after getting hammered

[lilac stag]

likely

[formal helm]

wdym, hunters are hammered at birth

[runic trail]

But yeah I don't think I have the right mental game for higher end mythic raiding, mechanical stuff probably needs work but its a mental thing

[formal helm]

hence their iq defects

[haughty mural]

When you’re that much ahead you deserve a bit of hammering

[lilac stag]

YouTube told me latest FDK rework is best ever. Is this true chat?

[haughty mural]

Yes

Looks good, sounds good, tuning is also coming for them

[formal helm]

oh you've been recommended that video too?

[haughty mural]

No abom limb though

[formal helm]

fuck abom limb

[lilac stag]

imagines getting sub rework

[formal helm]

surely it'd be the best ever too right?

[haughty mural]

Agreed, but there is not a really a replacement

[lilac stag]

Surely it’ll be more than 25% completed

[haughty mural]

I am pretty sure the are cooking something right meow

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/foles-super-troopers-gif-13211090

Blizzard cooking right meow

I wonder what super troopers is streaming on.

https://tenor.com/view/super-troopers-meow-not-funny-gif-26593884

[formal helm]

20% or we riot!

can't have it completed!

[maiden oar]

3 coups

[lilac stag]

Can less than 20 people be considered a riot?

[runic trail]

In UK criminal law its 12 people and above

[runic trail]

So, yes

[formal helm]

a small gathering rather than riot ig

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[formal helm]

family gathering!

[lilac stag]

Footballers I’m assuming

[formal helm]

wait...my family gatherings are more than 12 people...so it can be considered criminal

[runic trail]

Only if you're setting fire to shit etc

[formal helm]

so no bbq? 🤔

☕

[haughty mural]

Ah the Masters of sandbagging

[formal helm]

ah okay, so any and all balkan gatherings are basically riots, got it

[haughty mural]

We could learn something front them

[formal helm]

legit

50% of all comments on wowhead are locks

[tribal blade]

it's not a warlock problem, it's the fact that in a spell cleave comp there are a few mandatory specs like boomy and mage that have to go in there

and it leaves no room for anything else

[formal helm]

ya

[tribal blade]

locks right now are actually kinda busted tbh, i've seen their dmg in high target count pulls

it's bonkers

[formal helm]

ye, ik

[tribal blade]

sorry wasn't trying to lecture you specifically

[haughty mural]

Can’t be true - they are in a crisis wdym

[tribal blade]

just pontificating

[formal helm]

ay, no hard feelings, no need to apologise

[lilac stag]

They’re good about displaying anger publicly.

[formal helm]

true

we're just keeping to our class fantasy scath

stealthy.

[lilac stag]

Yup

[formal helm]

[haughty mural]

One of my friends is a lock main and he told me they gonna be absolutely busted in m+ 3 weeks ago

[hollow spear]

We keep the whining contained in our spec channel

[haughty mural]

He also is the only lock never to sandbag or complain

[lilac stag]

our discord is hidden in the sewers so no one ever checks on us

[formal helm]

only stealthi raccoons

[haughty mural]

Can’t wait for our set nerfs

[hollow spear]

Let's see what they'll do

[formal helm]

you're gonna get half the coup refunded

not 1

but half

[haughty mural]

Pog

[hollow spear]

Balance is completely out of the window on ptr rn

[formal helm]

ye

I've seen some bonker things

[haughty mural]

Didn’t they fix it with tonight’s notes ?

The balance thing

[hollow spear]

No clue, didn't even read them

[formal helm]

I only scroleld to see if there's any rog changes

[hollow spear]

That was your first mistake

[formal helm]

true

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag my GM is trying to get me to form a guild push group for next season

it's already begun

(there's no shot, he's a father to a 3 year old)

[vestal escarp]

wowdads with title...

[merry agate]

Another wednesday
Another PTR notes

It is what it is

[tribal blade]

also the last time he tried to get title running with a guild group was S2 DF where i ended up getting title as sub and they all got hard stuck like 200-300 points below me running god comp

[haughty mural]

I don’t think I’ll still touch the game if my better halve is getting pregnant

[formal helm]

my RL was also hoping to switch to bm if it's good

from vdh

[tribal blade]

i feel bad because he gets fomo, he really wishes he could play more

but he's being a good dad

[hazy breach]

My healer has kids, so we kinda exclusively play after 8pm when theyve gone to bed

[tribal blade]

my first push group our tank had that life too 😉

we actually didn't play very many hours a week and made title together

[brittle plinth]

It's easier that way

[tribal blade]

in a way there's more pressure playing with limited time

you need to make the most of what you're working with

whereas the degens can kinda just do whatever and get places

bricks are less costly when you're degening

[lilac stag]

You should do it if you can assign the terms of the team

this coming from someone who will be lucky to get 4 keys done a week. A lot traveling for dog events over next 5 months.

[tribal blade]

i think there's no way he'll have enough steam to truly go for it haha

[lilac stag]

people surprise you.

[tribal blade]

he does this all the time

[lilac stag]

It’s not like you have a team now, mean worse case you have some guildies to push with early.

[tribal blade]

DAAAAAMN of all the people i didn't expect you to be the one talking me into it 😉

[keen dome]

"Riot may be commited in private as well as public places" is a fun sentence

[lilac stag]

I’m a positive Pete. Just like to joke a lot.

[keen dome]

"This is a private riot"

[lilac stag]

just like the devs like to joke with rogue

[keen dome]

never give up, never give in

[alpine wraith]

im sure someone somewhere is having fun

[lilac stag]

tldr - calculating what’s the worse that can happen makes decision making easier.

maybe you get surprised.

if it blows up you’ve lost nothing

unless you magically find a team the next month

I teach people that try to be perfectionists with a dog, while they’re going to make mistakes 90% of the time. build on the good. if they’re not derps and you enjoy playing with them go for it.

[tribal blade]

yeah might be ok if it's limited time playing tbh

i'm trying to avoid the massive stress and fomo

[lilac stag]

Infinite sadness of you calling yourself a sub rogue in here will continue either way.

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[lilac stag]

look at critcakes group

They’re never fomo

and I don’t think you want to turn into some of the other pushers that have graced our presence

[alpine wraith]

sometimes i miss lashga what a trooper

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481

[keen dome]

the dream

[hazy breach]

That gif is at 20x speed

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[keen dome]

lmao

That's how I feel whenever I push SecTec, honestly.

[tribal blade]

angry man face button makes me scared

maybe that's why lashga tried cooking that build without it

[keen dome]

I can cook a build without SecTec, it's easy

[swift tinsel]

Bro if I switch this one gem to crit/vers I can get less carried in this 19 ToP

Here’s a stat weight sim to prove it

What a legend

[keen dome]

There, build without SecTec

[lilac stag]

The sentinel build doesn’t use SecTech either.

[hollow spear]

The no sectec build was certainly something

He cooked so hard, he caused the last wildfires in California

[haughty mural]

[daring trail]

yo guys, is dungeon slice accurate or do you just go with a 6 boss 1:30 sim (or something similar)

[lilac stag]

For gearing dslice is fine

There’s not a lot of thinking to gear / talents for sub

[daring trail]

I just wanted to check mastery value from gems and stuff, so not really all that important

compared to single target sims that's it

thanks!

[void ocean]

just ask our Lord Of Mastery @alpine wraith

he is baiting ppl to gem everything to mastery

now theres a joke somewhere in there

[alpine wraith]

dont think geming mastery is that good after we lose circe

[swift tinsel]

I'm introducing a Haste/Crit arc

I will get one extra backstab or shuriken storm every 8 minutes

[runic trail]

Huge

[void ocean]

let him cook

[swift tinsel]

stealing that

maybe I go brewmaster alt

a Dave of both worlds

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/leroidukitch-god-save-the-rave-scooter-my-name-is-dave-gif-6947909098380474422

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-doctor-doom-sitting-on-throne-throne-sitting-down-gif-18760299

PTR

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-rodney-only-fools-gif-12640555

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-dave-dave-gh-gh-gif-21808427

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1377283740501409852/DaveRoseGif.gif

[lilac stag]

The timeline that brought us to Dave is legit a cursed one.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-like-a-master-baiter-cleo-clanton-heir-wynonna-earp-curse-gif-21060345

[rich stump]

I suppose wound poison doesn't work on boss shields or mob shields

[hazy breach]

Shield are seperate from healing, so ye it does not work

[rich stump]

in pvp they are unified tough right? I can't remeber

[lilac stag]

#pvp

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yes-approve-approval-i-approve-gif-6191609

[merry agate]

👍

[slate marlin]

that guy is in every single rogue forum post

[swift tinsel]

he tried arguing that sub is all about pooling energy for big burst windows

[merry agate]

We gonna make it bros 🙏

[runic trail]

That sounds cursed

👍

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♂️

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-prequel-darth-maul-hoodie-gif-15824739

Phantom Menace?

[swift tinsel]

mixing it up with the thinking face instead of the thumbs up

sorry outlaw bros you're just inferior Ret, Frost DK or Survival

[rotund pawn]

they should give us garrote back and add venomous wounds

👍

[swift tinsel]

He's convinced giving Relentless Strikes back to outlaw and sin will fix all their terrible pervasive energy problems

and RtB is too much rng to play with

[lilac stag]

Energy capped outlaw says what

[swift tinsel]

he literally does no content

[merry agate]

He might be onto something 🤔

Master of Shadows + Shadowfocus

[lilac stag]

So that’s a rogue dev?

[swift tinsel]

no raid, no m+, no pvp outside maybe bg's

[keen dome]

Is he a roleplayer

[swift tinsel]

if he's the rogue dev this whole class would be even worse bc his takes would bring us back to 2 buttons

honestly possible

gotta mix in some RP while throwing out 22,000 forum posts

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481

[runic trail]

He's in like every rogue thread on US forums

[swift tinsel]

yeah its insane

[keen dome]

[swift tinsel]

like no exaggeration he's at like 22,040 forum posts

[merry agate]

PASSION

[runic trail]

I wonder if he's in this discord

Lurking

Watching

[swift tinsel]

he knows he gets memed on and is happy hes infamous for spreading misinformation

[lilac stag]

I applaud his passion and effort to save the class. Better than you doomers just sitting in discord.

[swift tinsel]

but that might be because he was caught up in the outlaw feedback post

[runic trail]

I don't try and save the class cos I'd just make it worse

[keen dome]

hey I tell trade chat to buff rogue every other day

[runic trail]

Idk what the fuck I'm doing

[lilac stag]

rogue is fine, good, no issue, best prog class

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[lilac stag]

Do you type it in purple?

[keen dome]

no 😦

[swift tinsel]

wow

stolen valor

[lilac stag]

Then what are you actually doing?

[lilac stag]

Add @keen dome to the list with @tribal blade

[swift tinsel]

I've made my ptr feedback posts but everything that isn't a DK qq post gets drowned out

[keen dome]

What's the list

[swift tinsel]

because why the fuck would they have dedicated threads for classes getting reworks

oh wait they made one for prot warrior but none for either DK spec or spriest or brewmaster

[lilac stag]

Just copy paste it in a new post every hour. Automate it like thier GM services.

[swift tinsel]

hey that's not a bad idea

get a chatbot to post them for me on a schedule

[lilac stag]

Mmhm

I am a solution provider!

[swift tinsel]

👍
🏄‍♂️🏄‍♀️

I need to make that a sticker

[merry agate]

Think we found the sleeper agent

[lilac stag]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[fickle mason]

Is there any easy replacement for house of cards next tier ?

[fierce wigeon]

anyone found the rog dev yet? Dude been in stealth for months and I can’t find him

[tribal blade]

hey man i'm just trying to get a free cup of starbucks, i ain't hurting noone

[keen dome]

What's the list!

[lilac stag]

Can’t find what we don’t have

[swift tinsel]

kekw

[lilac stag]

copilot rogue edition closed and no one restarted it

[tribal blade]

i think we're so conditioned to it at this point

there's been a distinct lack of dooming in here

[fierce wigeon]

Remove the social contract and give me buffs or else

[tribal blade]

relative to before

[lilac stag]

Stolen Valor

[swift tinsel]

tomorrow new build all dreams come true

Realz been cookin up a storm

2, maybe 3 Michelin stars

[fierce wigeon]

no he hasn’t bro been afk

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-please-beg-daisy-duck-heres-a-penny-gif-9204998

[swift tinsel]

nah he's been Yes Chef mode

[merry agate]

Memeing - dooming
The duality of man

Enterly localized in the subtlety channel ❤️

[hazy breach]

Brother we already had our weekly build yesterday

[fierce wigeon]

Lots of cope, I’ll pray for you

[lilac stag]

Stop dooming eleem.

[swift tinsel]

that's not very manifesting of you

https://tenor.com/view/wanda-maximoff-gif-16537021367469447634

[lilac stag]

They need to push the priest changes this week still

[keen dome]

THey're gonna do a build just for Sub rogue

[swift tinsel]

maybe he's been looking in here seeing all the dooming and its our punishment

[swift tinsel]

see that's more like it

[fierce wigeon]

So just useless for another expansion

[lilac stag]

Fatebound fixed. DS buffed 40% for sub.

[swift tinsel]

Manifest differently plz

not very strategically aligned

[keen dome]

45% BP buff

[fierce wigeon]

Let’s manifest a rog dev first

For a nasty 75% buff to all damage

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/not-aligned-not-approved-graphic-design-approval-designer-gif-22429561

[keen dome]

I want a "skip RP" button for all these old raids

[swift tinsel]

boss portal room when

[fierce wigeon]

Are you even transmog farming if you’re not rping the event?

Soon that’s all rogue will be, a rp class no dmg

[slate marlin]

pls dont force me to play ds

[rotund pawn]

that calls for 60% buff on black powder

[fierce wigeon]

If we buff black powder, smoke bomb is allowed in pve too

[rich stump]

low key smoke bomb would have some op usses in m+

[swift tinsel]

could be Mind Soothe but worse for your lungs

[merry agate]

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

[swift tinsel]

would actually be kinda sick

[patent lichen]

No sub changes and watching game 5 of flyquest in the same week? This is my darkest timeline

[north schooner]

[fierce wigeon]

I’m here to full doom until we are saved by the mages

[patent lichen]

I need a win man 😭

[hollow spear]

The last time Realz was typing in here, he didn't send and a couple minutes later, our accidental 10% buff got nuked

So be careful what you wish for

[fierce wigeon]

Need a new rogue dev

That plays the game and class smh

[clever delta]

doubt many of them play the game

in their free time

[lilac stag]

and if they did why would they play rogue, have you not seen the state the class is in?

smh my head

[clever delta]

true actually

[carmine portal]

Haven't played sub this Season, wondering if Goremaw's bite is ever useful?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[carmine portal]

Is it a case of: The talent itself is bad, Or: Other talents are simply better.

[swift tinsel]

its bad

[dry plank]

it conflicts with other talents and became useless

[swift tinsel]

tuned low and the energy for finishers doesn't really help much/at all

[carmine portal]

o7 cheers!

[north schooner]

how do you know it wasn't marvin's fault?

[hollow spear]

Can't believe that Goremaw didn't turn out to be bis with the new tier set

Smh

[north schooner]

it will be next ptr patch

[swift tinsel]

I think I committed a bit to hard to that bit lol

[lilac stag]

[bleak night]

wtf

i was told goremaw was going to be meta

i cant believe this

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[warm marlin]

#goremawbeliever

[north schooner]

it is meta if you make it meta

[honest void]

You probs heard "goremaw is going to be metal" but sub is the one holding the L

[lilac stag]

Goremaw just needs to show up in top 3 parses week 1 and it’s go time.

[haughty mural]

Im here for it

[short radish]

Is this how we sandbag ourselves

[haughty mural]

We just need to go over to the warlock discord and ask them how to do it properly

Or Altered Time

Since they made them give arcane 2 buffs in a row

[vale pine]

preperation to get shuriken combo back ^^

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

make it affect sectech too

[vale pine]

oh true

actually thematical

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[slate marlin]

Then u see storm energy cost

[swift tinsel]

we just completely ignore nimble at that point

unless they add that into the fold and change the name to Nimble Shuriken Combo

[hazy breach]

During cooldowns we already have infinite energy, so talents that give us more energy dont help much.
Outside of cooldowns we do no damage, so more energy doesnt help much there either

Which is why pretty much all energy talents (that arent shadowcraft, because thats the reason we have so much energy in the first place) are doomed to be bad

Tea seems pretty good for big aoe next tier, but its macroed with dance so the energy is pretty much almost wasted, its just used for the mastery.

[lilac stag]

We can doom, or we can have a plan.

[glacial orbit]

how is sub looking for s3

[hazy breach]

As Sectechs damage falls of at higher target count (because its softcapped at 5 targets instead of 8 like all the other effects)

[lilac stag]

Same as S2

[hazy breach]

Nothing changing, so about the same

[glacial orbit]

damn

[hazy breach]

Pretty good in raid, probably mid in keys

[lilac stag]

Goremaw gaming s3

Maybe

[warm marlin]

goremaw sucks unfortunately

[hazy breach]

Unless they kneecap shadowcraft its never going to be good

[lilac stag]

Blasphemy

[glacial orbit]

so do you think sub will be the raid spec ?

[hazy breach]

Well subs new tier is good

[tight sparrow]

No flag gaming

[hazy breach]

Assas tier is really bad

[tight sparrow]

Soon tm

[hazy breach]

Outlaw is unplayable as usual because downtime and damage amp phases

[glacial orbit]

[lilac stag]

assa tier will get the last week treatment.

[glacial orbit]

ye that's what i expect \

they will buff all sin numbers by 200% of something

a day before patch

[lilac stag]

Outlaw will complain muh uptime

Sub will get tier nerf

[slate marlin]

sub will be the go to, then assa will get a buff and everyone will swap to assa

[lilac stag]

[ripe flame]

https://tenor.com/view/seen-it-marty-back-to-the-future-ive-seen-this-one-gif-5960361

[lilac stag]

All while 3 mage specs, fdk, 2 hunters and dev run wild

[glacial orbit]

didn't mm get nuked ?

[lilac stag]

never
trust
hunters

[bleak night]

they tapped its aoe

with bleak powder

its aoe isnt what made it good in raid

[glacial orbit]

insane

[graceful osprey]

I wish sectech hits everything. I dislike target cap

[glacial orbit]

another season of dev and mm being 20% ahead of every other spec in the game

[hazy breach]

It hits everything, it just does less damage after more than 5 targets

[lilac stag]

FDK will be up there with them. Arcane as well. 🔮

[hazy breach]

Just like black powder does at more than 8

[glacial orbit]

fdk was meta in s1

why meta again

[hazy breach]

Rework

[glacial orbit]

[lilac stag]

rework

[graceful osprey]

I mean like max damage for all targets lol

[swift tinsel]

they got super streamlined too

[glacial orbit]

fdk s1
udk s2
fdk s3

tww = dk expac

[swift tinsel]

don't tell them that

the cognitive dissonance will make their heads explode

[lilac stag]

Waiting for amz to be cracked

[hazy breach]

Im not disagreeing with you. Its one of the few things on my list of quick fixes i would like to see to fix our aoe

#subtlety message

[obtuse phoenix]

how muich of subtlety's dam is phys?

[hazy breach]

But alas, no such luck

[hazy breach]

~60%

[swift tinsel]

we get our aoe fixes in 11.2.5

[graceful osprey]

And think of the big numbers dopamine

[hazy breach]

Just raising it from 5 to 8 (which is what all of our other spells are capped at) would be roughly 25% more damage on it

Its weird how its so random what spells are capped at what target counts

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[hazy breach]

Nimble - Hard 8
BP - Soft 8
Sectech - Soft 5

Crimson Tempest - Soft 8
Arterial Precision - Hard 8
Caustic Spatter - Soft 5
Poison Bomb - Completely uncapped

Like why

[swift tinsel]

dartboard

[lilac stag]

Assa ST spec.

[swift tinsel]

that's just where the darts landed

[warm marlin]

CT saying 5 target soft cap while actually being 8

clearly a lot of thought went into it

[lilac stag]

Tooltips gonna Blizzard

[hazy breach]

From what ive heard its intended to be 8, but for some reason tooltip says 5

[haughty mural]

Tooltips wrong

[hollow spear]

Me playing sub even when sin is meta - Hard

[haughty mural]

Can’t be blizzard

[clever delta]

smile

[vale pine]

to make things even more fun, crimson states in the tooltip a 5 target soft cap

[hazy breach]

Me playing sub even when sin is meta - Hard

Wait hol up

[haughty mural]

Nimble tooltip also still not showing every ability it works on right ?

[hollow spear]

Also true

[ripe flame]

[hazy breach]

It does, it was only ER that it worked with but didnt show in the tooltip

But that got removed so problem fixed itself

[slate marlin]

want some help with that eleem? wink wink

[clever delta]

i have fun playing sub rn, only thing which fucking with my brain is current tier set

[haughty mural]

Thought gwb would also work

[clever delta]

cant wait for new

[haughty mural]

But true ER gonzo

[hazy breach]

You'd think so, but no

[hollow spear]

Yeah, nothing makes me less hard than losing tier set before flag

[haughty mural]

[hazy breach]

But also even if it would work, it does shadow damage

So it would only do like 42% cleave

[haughty mural]

What a Spaghetti our spec is

[sinful zephyr]

Yeah same

[hollow spear]

I'm not unhappy with sub for sure

It definitely was worse in s1 gameplay wise

With rs bug and coup charge

[hazy breach]

I think sub plays really well in ST

Which is why its such a shame that the AoE is a bit jank, when it could just not be with very small adjustments

[hollow spear]

And since I don't push m+, the aoe is good enough

[clever delta]

i like the eleem effort

to push it as much as possible to be noticed by certain person

[hollow spear]

I'd still like aoe to be satisfying ofc

[lilac stag]

remove nimble for that

[clever delta]

let me press BP when its baseline finally

[lilac stag]

Bring back combo

[hollow spear]

Just copy paste Eleems cook

It's some pretty tame stuff

[swift tinsel]

even just bugfixes for nimble go a long way

[hazy breach]

That certain someone is certainly aware, ive just been told that he is forced to work on other things

[lilac stag]

make dance the actual cd

[clever delta]

they are always force to work on other things

thats not something new

[lilac stag]

pillow talk

[hollow spear]

He's forced to work in the salt mines

[clever delta]

im pretty sure he is pretty fast with fixing bugs, as you can see in past.. issue is they never have time for it

[swift tinsel]

the devs yearn for the mines

[bleak night]

santa?

[hollow spear]

Maybe he'll listen to the guy on the forums

[lilac stag]

They fix the positive bugs. Ignore the negative.

[north schooner]

make mafic the rogue dev

[hollow spear]

I'm ready for a round of surfing

[clever delta]

nah

its just for them its too small issue

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317321735569408030/1317321817798479872/E66C1502-FB56-4021-97BC-BA8B22911F23.gif

[clever delta]

its not affecting gameplay or anything

so they dont care

[north schooner]

how did you get hold of my picture?

[lilac stag]

rs was impacting gameplay

They don’t care unless it’s positive

[swift tinsel]

teehee I'll never tell

[clever delta]

but when you start spamming rupture as dps gain, than they step up quickly :D:D

[north schooner]

people have to pay normally

[hazy breach]

It does affect gameplay though

[hollow spear]

They do get to care half a day every three months

[clever delta]

most ppl dont even know about it

i would not know if im not here all the time

[lilac stag]

Or they care for outlaw and let the sub fox stay non-existent.

[hollow spear]

True

Ignorance is bliss, as usual

[lilac stag]

most people don’t know about it because no one plays the spec.

[hazy breach]

Well ye my point is that nimble reads like it would be the best to use until more than 8 targets

But its actually better to BP at 3 targets with blades, and 5 without

Assuming all of the targets have FW

[swift tinsel]

the fact that that isn't the case has bothered me all xpac

[clever delta]

what

[lilac stag]

and whatever QA department existed is now just run by copilot

[clever delta]

or you can play DS and BP all the time

just for fun

[hazy breach]

Well no

[north schooner]

does that shift with gear?

[hollow spear]

Wait what

[hazy breach]

Because you'd want to strike a new target when you have 1 stack left of the mark

So to not proc darkest night

[hollow spear]

Where's the 3 targets with blades coming from

[hazy breach]

[hazy breach]

Well blades doesnt do anything with nimble

[swift tinsel]

blades doesn't nimble

[clever delta]

so now we BP from 5 targets ?

and 3 with blades?

[hazy breach]

Find weaknesses*

Not targets

[hollow spear]

I think I asked a couple days ago

[clever delta]

bro im confused

[swift tinsel]

I think imma code my plater mod to fw instead of rupture for sub

[hollow spear]

But does the target selection account for find weakness

[hazy breach]

Ye thats why im asking for them to fix it

[swift tinsel]

ez to see w/o needing a weakaura that is super heavy

[hollow spear]

Because if there's ten targets and three have find weakness

How do I know that the ones with find weakness get hit

[upper narwhal]

It’s very silly that the cleaving Evis isn’t just better every time on 8 or less targets

[swift tinsel]

yep

[warm marlin]

bp hits everything wdym

[clever delta]

idk

i willl just wait for guide at this point

[hollow spear]

I could swear I had a thought that made sense a week ago

[clever delta]

to read what im suppoise to do

[hazy breach]

Nothing changed really

Only thing thats different is storming once inbetween your coups during blades

Which is also silly

[hollow spear]

0.7% gain from that, still cannot believe it

[hazy breach]

So most cooldown dances are gonna be 1 backstab, 1 storm and 1 strike

[bleak night]

based

[swift tinsel]

inc 12 danse stacks

[north schooner]

perfectly balanced

[warm marlin]

down with weaponmaster

tfd stonks up

[hazy breach]

We're not beating the piano spec allegations boys

[hazy breach]

Ye tfd sims like 0.4% higher even with prism from what ive seen

[swift tinsel]

I'll need to do my warmups pre-raid

[clever delta]

what timer ?

[warm marlin]

i swear the vanish thing makes tfd crazy

[hazy breach]

Standard 5

[clever delta]

damn

thats sick

i actually love it

ngl

i dont hate on that storm

[swift tinsel]

is that natty pull or with pre-sod/pre-disorient

[clever delta]

i dont hate on backsteb either

[warm marlin]

has to be predisorient

[hazy breach]

But im kind of a prism hater now

[hollow spear]

Didn't you say vanish + pre dis was already making tfd better on live @warm marlin

[hazy breach]

Because it doesnt stack up enough to hold

So its just a 90s trinket you cant use on pull or after you've died

In most cases

[swift tinsel]

flexy for m+

[warm marlin]

seems so but i dont have sims for that

i just sent it this week

[hollow spear]

Slacker

[clever delta]

btw

[hazy breach]

Well ye but even in m+ your goal is pretty much always to use your cds asap anyway

[warm marlin]

but look how early you get the cb sectec

this is first dance of the fight on cauldron

[swift tinsel]

need to see how hard they nerf halls trinket

[hollow spear]

That's crazy

[swift tinsel]

I'm kinda sold on sigil or antenna

for 2nd trinket/passive option

[clever delta]

whats the dance combo with new tier set? Sectech first into coup coup?

[hazy breach]

Ye it was, just seems silly to put it in the default APL

As it would be quite the clutter, but maybe

[clever delta]

or we sand coup first sectech coup?

[hazy breach]

Same as now, sectech first

[hollow spear]

I don't think most players will bother with pre disorient

[warm marlin]

i dont think it makes sense to put predisorient in default apl

[clever delta]

even with coup ready?

[warm marlin]

so probably not worth

[hazy breach]

Well as in have disorienting strike checks so it will do the vanish thing if you have prestacked it and it wont if not

Doable, but clutters up the APL

[warm marlin]

won't it never meet that condition unless you hard put it in the predisorient thing

at least on opener

[hazy breach]

Correct

But ye i didnt

[swift tinsel]

is the vanish thing just old opener?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But its not worth unless you have disorienting strikes up

[swift tinsel]

ah

makes sense

[hazy breach]

[pliant topaz]

[hollow spear]

I mean, he's playing with the nutgod

[lilac stag]

Castsequence builder macro

[vestal escarp]

Interesting that the 4p leads to a lot of coups casts that end outside dance

leading to effective dps loss over the evis

[hollow spear]

I mean, they wouldn't be there without the set, so it's kinda priced in

[vestal escarp]

can we ask if craft refunds at your sht count regardless when 4p is active

[lilac stag]

Did you run it on gally this week. Thinking with the amount of storms it’s maybe worth it.

[warm marlin]

yep

that one is maybe a bit more sus though

[lilac stag]

I go back and forth in my head on it

I like the TFD opener

and trying to factor in movement and storm I bet it’s close

[warm marlin]

i didnt have predisorient for the kill since we had a cuff bomb blow up on our 1 wipe

[lilac stag]

but I’m also a TFD supporter

[warm marlin]

probably not worth without it

[lilac stag]

should put a turnip out

[warm marlin]

they took away our indoor dummies man

[lilac stag]

I hadn’t tried it there

[warm marlin]

i farmed the love fool just for them to fix it literally the next day

[lilac stag]

bummer

[vestal escarp]

yeah they took that out right after valentines

[lilac stag]

must have missed it with all the rogue blue posts.

[rich stump]

Is the 1 Hour tricks talent bugged? I've had awful aggro problems this season while pull is gathering

[patent lichen]

Why you gotta hurt me like this

[lilac stag]

you have to activate it after casting it (attack something)

you can’t cast it and then attack something 2 minutes later

[slate marlin]

theres a slight delay between activating it and aggro being redirected

[rich stump]

so what's the point of the 1hour durations then?

[slate marlin]

that you don thave to press it for an hour

[lilac stag]

it works. You just have to start it like you normally would.

lol

It’s not a start before the key turn buff

[rich stump]

no I mean key starts, I cast on tank, buff is active, then mob is following tank and then cheat deaths procs

[lilac stag]

you waited too long to hit something more than likely.

Cast on tank. Wait a second. Hit storm

[rich stump]

i'll try that then

[lilac stag]

pretend you’re casting tricks as assa for the first go

then it should be good until you die

[rich stump]

I never noticed but does it need to be cast on tank again after he dies? I've had some whacky pulls where tank dies and I am the only one alive but mobs follow tank to spawn lol

[inland galleon]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[haughty mural]

Predesorient and vanish

Backstab > storm > strike

What a timeline

[swift tinsel]

collecting the degen Infinity Stones

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure sometimes if tank is afk enough

[warm marlin]

I have also become aware that it wasn’t actually stance delay bricking my vanishes but the fact that if you press an ability during gcd in vanish your auto attack will break the stealth

[shrewd lantern]

you can get proximity aggro

which tricks does not redirect

[north schooner]

do you have /startattack in macro'd in your abilities?

[warm marlin]

No

Melee abilities do it by default no?

[bleak night]

should do yeah

start attack is only for stuff like bte

at least afaik

[warm marlin]

It does seem to be doing it much less since I put stopattack in vanish but I’m pretty sure that’s baseline behaviour

[north schooner]

it stops attacking when you vanish by default ye

[clever delta]

what if we play that 2min decay trinket with prism?

[swift tinsel]

you can make it work

it's not ideal

if you're saving prism for 3min burst you just don't have a trinket for 1:30 flag

otherwise you just alternate and play forge like a 3min

[hazy breach]

I suspect people will play it despite it simming poorly

Just like in s3 of df

[swift tinsel]

if there's a fight where it makes sense (I haven't looked at any timers or anything yet) I can see it being an option but I don't anticipate it being the go-to

[clever delta]

i just hate not having opener trinket

im playing the new 90 trinket tonigh since they added it to vendor

[hazy breach]

With current tuning nothing is even remotely close to the cursed idol from Halls

[clever delta]

thats not on vendor isnt

[swift tinsel]

nope

[hazy breach]

[clever delta]

yeah

[swift tinsel]

at least not as of yesterday

the dungeon trinkets are doubled up on the vendor for some of them

so I'm assuming they scuffed adding them lol

[bleak night]

what

no

that doesnt sound like something blizzard would let slip by qa

[swift tinsel]

putting the Ass in Assurance

[slate marlin]

havent been paying too much attention to ptr, what trinkets are hot apart from idol?

[hollow spear]

Prism ig

Even tho Eleem is our resident prism hater

[hazy breach]

Mostly just pacemaker or the execute one

[hollow spear]

Prism will probably live or die by specific mythic fight timings if I had to guess

[hazy breach]

Nothing really important aside from the on-use

[swift tinsel]

pacemaker better than antenna?

[hazy breach]

Mostly a hater because its so close to being really cool

[slate marlin]

oh floodgate is on rotation, forgot about it

[hazy breach]

In sims atleast

But theyre all kinda the same

[hollow spear]

What was your problem with it? That it doesn't stack for 3 min?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[swift tinsel]

ah, I didn't dig into uptime on antenna too much but iirc it was more per 1 stack than pacemaker

[hollow spear]

That's true, but I believe there will be quite some cases were we hold flag for a bit

Which should make it more valuable than 90s trinkets at least

I personally dig the flexibility it gives us

[swift tinsel]

you just kinda have to do weird shit to get it to line up for your later burst window

if you don't want to be sitting on max stacks for about half a minute

so you're only getting the damage proc out of it for potentially over half the fight depending on timers

[slate marlin]

why cant i find cursed idol trinket

am i a boomer while on google now?

[swift tinsel]

cursed stone idol

might need to be in ptr section of wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=246344/cursed-stone-idol

[slate marlin]

found it by name ty

didnt see it on wowhead post

[swift tinsel]

its not listed

[slate marlin]

oh ok i was losing my mind

[swift tinsel]

its in the dungeon journal on ptr but not on the trinket vendor

so idk if they just forgot to look at the journal or what

[slate marlin]

No clue, but i cant log in to ptr since i cancelled my sub

[swift tinsel]

they were probably busy scrambling for more void dh bait for another article

[slate marlin]

Lmao

i hope dh gets a void spec tho, would be cool