subtlety

[opal basalt]

9.5k dps is best sire d log

[tribal blade]

and then in later seasons it got to like 10s of thousands?

[fleet wharf]

At some points they should just make it so that all expansions start and end at the same level instead of doing this lvl squish dance every so many years

[north schooner]

they need to squish it a lot so that they don't have to do it again 1-2 expansions after

[opal basalt]

what i think is funny is that we're doing argus numbers in details

with like 300ilvl less

[north schooner]

especially with how aggressively gear gains stats each season

[fleet wharf]

but would it be ok for us to do 300 dps next patch though? lmao

[graceful osprey]

I have no idea how they’re going to solve their numbers thing. But I honestly prefer them not to mess with it. It seems like it messed up some things when the did the squish

[tulip gorge]

I would be okay with 3k dps

[north schooner]

2k+ plus is enough to allow for all the tiny procs the game has nowadays

[opal basalt]

10k-100k over 3 raids

sounds good imo

gives you the feeling of gaining enough damage with a new tier

but yeah in the end its all just what looks more neatly in details

because i really dont like the millions

[north schooner]

are you saying 10x-ing your dps in the same expansion?

[opal basalt]

maybe 50k is a better end youre right there

10k first tier, 20k 2nd tier, 40-50k last tier

[tribal blade]

it's just mostly so the numbers on the screen aren't obnoxiously big

[opal basalt]

but then again, its all arbitrary if we're being honest

exactly

[tribal blade]

so thousands works for me

[opaque valve]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[opal basalt]

i dont need diablo size numbers on my screen in the mmo

like idk but were gonna have key overalls over 10m next season surely

and that just sounds dumb

[north schooner]

smaller numbers are much easier to parse as humans. If you get similar - meaningful - precision with 10k and 10 mil, there is no reason to have 10 mil

[sly shore]

It also reduces overall computational complexity for the game having smaller numbers

[keen dome]

I hope we go back to small good numbers in Midnight

Bring on the squish

It's all relative

But smaller is betterer

[hazy breach]

Well theyve already confirmed a squish so

[keen dome]

Ye, hence bring it on

I'm curious to what level it'll be though.

Legion -> BfA I guess

[hazy breach]

Probably doing a couple of thousand dps

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[north schooner]

it should be possible to get an idea in August

[alpine wraith]

like a 100x down

[north schooner]

all they have to do is show 1 item with stats

[keen dome]

Yeah, maybe

I imagine it'll be a talking point

it was back when they announced TWW iirc

[north schooner]

it can even be an irrelevant point tbh. They do tend to show item tooltips

[keen dome]

Absolutely

We'll (presumably) be hitting level 100 in Last Titan so that'll probably result in another Level squish in whatever comes after. Which'd make a lot of sense. Back to level 60

At least they'll finally land hitting level 100 for the big important expansion finale unlike Legion where we hit.. 110 I think? haha

[runic trail]

Revert the changes, let us hit level 150 you cowards.

Or whatever max would be

[graceful osprey]

What if every expansion, damage numbers and ilvl are reset. Say we go from ilvl 1-100 by the end of the each expansion. For farming old raids, players damage are just giga buffed. And raid gear from previous expansion will equal like ilvl 30 for the new expansion

[keen dome]

I imagine it'd feel pretty mid as a big part of it is the psycholgy of "number go up"

And having it be a constant flat cycle would probably not spark the same response

[graceful osprey]

Yeah perhaps. But surely there’s an easier way to do things instead of squishing everything every 3-4 expansions

[swift tinsel]

No level cap, we're Paragon gaming now

give infinitely talentable nodes

1000/1 points into Sectech

[runic trail]

No level cap gotta grind infinitely to keep up to date for prog

Blizzard engagement numbers go brrrr

[keen dome]

I wish they'd just plan it out better, haha

[keen dome]

[runic trail]

Add artifact power as well so you can grind that while also grinding levels

As a treat

[keen dome]

Post TLT going into alternative leveling would be interesting. Who knows what'll happen then anyway since we're probably 2 years away from that expansion, so probably 4 until that's done

[alpine wraith]

imagine if MS said fuck it and wow becomes a gacha

and we have to roll to get our abilites empowered

[keen dome]

haha

[alpine wraith]

LF dps need MLB 1:30 min cd

[keen dome]

Save your pulls for Illidan he's gonna be a limited 5*!!!

Ah man I didn't get him guess I can't raid CE

[alpine wraith]

POG i rolled a 5* flag

now i only need 5 more copies

[keen dome]

Well, depends on the gacha style

[runic trail]

Racing world quests become a clone of umamusume

Let's go

[keen dome]

5 more copies if it's the good style. 60 -> 80 -> 100 -> 120 -> 150 shards if not.

[runic trail]

Duplicates only drop in torghast sorry bud

Back to the tower

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, they teased the wierd DUskwood mode that's coming at some point

Wonder what that'll turn out to be

[weak atlas]

is it worth not using finishers (evis/black powder) when nearing next flag (20/15s left on the cd) to hold tier set stacks?

[alpine wraith]

you can hold coup for about 15 secs or so yes

but normal evis/bp not really worth

it if happens it happens

[weak atlas]

even if I risk dropping 8 stacks of the set?

[remote shuttle]

Also if u desperate Need CDR and dont wanna drop set spam rupture

[alpine wraith]

you get them fast

[hazy breach]

Its usually better to just not finish than to spam rupture

[weak atlas]

so just backstab spam?

[alpine wraith]

yea just stay full cp

as funny as it sounds

[hazy breach]

Even without the undermine tier

Just stack Sht stacks for your burst

[alpine wraith]

then just flag rupture and go into dance

[weak atlas]

makes sense

[alpine wraith]

i dont like to gamble so i sometimes do that

[weak atlas]

also how big of a clip is it fine to do on rupture before flag? because rupturing during burst feels so shit

or do I just rup during burst

[alpine wraith]

that should kinda never happen

rupture is like 30+ secs long

[brittle plinth]

s3 aug5?

[alpine wraith]

and as you flag rupture it will last enough

s3 is the 13

12 for na

[weak atlas]

so it's fine to clip outside of pandemic for flag -> rupture?

[brittle plinth]

Blizzard has never failed an august release on something, why do I keep booking my vacatioons same time.

ill never learn

[opal basalt]

5th patch 12th season for NA

Day later for EU

Poor Asians having even one more day

[brittle plinth]

I wont be playing till 1st week of september best case

😦

[opal basalt]

Wonder if they’ll ever switch away from that

I mean in classic raids just open globally

[hazy breach]

Always rupture after flag

[opal basalt]

Why not retail

[weak atlas]

ok got it boss

[hazy breach]

Ideally you dont cast rupture like 5 seconds before flag

[weak atlas]

yeah I've just been doing pandemic range and then flag -> rupture

but wasn't sure if it was wrong

appreciate the help

[summer lynx]

Alrighty gang, so be honest with me. How cooked are we? Is Sin still the go too for raiding or do we stand a chance of not being laughed at for raid and m+?

[swift tinsel]

🔮

no tuning passes for us yet so who knows

still four weeks to go

[summer lynx]

Man I dont think we're seeing a tuning pass, just that gut feeling.

[swift tinsel]

then nothing we tell you matters

[summer lynx]

lol

[warm marlin]

sin isn't the go to rn fwiw

in current raid

[hollow spear]

No tuning pass until patch

Kek

Most cooked take I've read today

[hazy breach]

Sin tier stinky

Sub tier good

[warm marlin]

ye sub tier imo

[hazy breach]

I meant tier as in tier set

But ye

[keen dome]

We're a really nice stew. Could use some more salt, and maybe some kind of side dish. Not sure what is in the stew, but it's got a decent medley of purple vegetables.

[hollow spear]

It'll be sub tier for me

[summer lynx]

we gonna see much improvement in M+?

I mean I've played sub this whole expansion and most of last so.

[leaden plover]

Since there has not been any changes yet, I’m sure their cooking up something. 🙂

[keen dome]

I like the positive attitude.

[hazy breach]

Without bugfixes i dont think our position in m+ changes much, probably still middle of the pack

[summer lynx]

Fair enough.

[hazy breach]

In raid sub is probably gonna be really strong though

[short radish]

So nerf w -1 again?

[north schooner]

the tier bonus needs to survive ptr first

[vestal escarp]

why did i already hear this not long ago?

hmmmmm

[lilac stag]

Without tuning of sub, I’d skeptical of being really good. A number of specs have really good tier and already ahead of rogue in general.

Hold on for the tuning rollercoaster.

[alpine wraith]

dont worry they will jut buff assa as needed

[lilac stag]

Of course

[alpine wraith]

maybe sub is just in the middle anyway

[lilac stag]

“Rogue will be fine”

We were strong leaving S1. Fell off in S2. Not starting S3 in a strong position without tuning imo.

[alpine wraith]

yea we are fine carpets

for everyone to be above

but being in the middle is not horrible i guess

[median nacelle]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lilac stag]

the lack of tuning in s2 really (and the damn renown bug) stomped out any optimism I had left.

We mid we mid. Someone has to.

hopefully not fighting Aug for last

[alpine wraith]

aug was only last because everyone cbad

same as when sub was not as horrible but we just didnt have people that highrolled ever

as i and many others are unlucky fucks

[lilac stag]

zero high rolls is a tuning issue

[alpine wraith]

always

[frail skiff]

@alpine wraith i cant launch my game

[alpine wraith]

why dont you crit all your evis and proc everything in flag?

you casual blizz problably

why cant you launch the game any error it gies

[frail skiff]

nop

it just opened

when i closed

bnet

rofl

[alpine wraith]

bnet is a virus confirmed

[swift tinsel]

bnet loves hitting me with the 360 noscope crit error from the top rope

[lilac stag]

Welcome to NA

Beta test Tuesday.

[brittle plinth]

I called it off before illidan kill today

Had a feeling the buff wasn't working

Never do things on Tuesday

[swift tinsel]

only thing I'm doing today is getting some mf Caramel Carnival ice cream at work

[alpine wraith]

it let me in

pog

[keen dome]

Did you get enough for all six sub rogues

[swift tinsel]

if y'all come to my work I will buy you ice cream

might be a bit of a hike for the EU folks

[keen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-forrest-gump-running-run-omw-gif-10248245

[heady shell]

wait blueberry cheesecake, I'm omw

[keen dome]

Damn, yeah

I used to work in food retail and one of the few things I miss is getting cheap stuff from the backroom we couldn't sell. Just taking home an entire blueberry new york cheesecake for 90% off was a good day

blueberries make everything better

[alpine wraith]

damn blueberry cheesecake is gaoted

[steel zinc]

Rogue is one of the worst damage wise rn on ptr. Only warrior is worse off imo.

You will play one rogue in raid that's it.

[keen dome]

esp when it's a baked new york style one. Insanely good.

[alpine wraith]

wait until they hit you with the oh wait

and play 0

[steel zinc]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

If I say that I’m a doomer though.

[swift tinsel]

I went from not really fucking with blueberries until a year or two ago and now I have them every day lol

[heady shell]

I thought on the PTR DPS logs subtelty rogue is actually doing p well this time no?

[steel zinc]

Monk, dh, enhancer all going strong rn

[steel zinc]

They mean jack shit

Mythic logs if you kill maybe

In hc you test all the stuff

Check more m+ imo

More data

[alpine wraith]

i mean problem with sub is our baseline is low so even if tier is good

[steel zinc]

Also sub scaling is just omega bad. Haste is a dead stat

[alpine wraith]

others go brrrr

they will let us be like this and be mid to bad or aura buff or something

at least the 2p change was good

[steel zinc]

Even if sub gets another 5% aura buff it's not even top 3 dps

[alpine wraith]

sub wont top dps ever anymore they kinda hate it

maybe for 2 or 3 days because of a bug or something

[swift tinsel]

I'd honestly kinda prefer not being top 3

[steel zinc]

Like gameplay wise sub is fun but well numbers are bad

[alpine wraith]

even in WoD or pandaria where we had the most busted shit

[swift tinsel]

top 3rd maybe

[alpine wraith]

mage was still better

[lilac stag]

praying for dmg amps to work with cds isn’t healthy.

Which is the other cope in here

[alpine wraith]

then you have boomkins doing 3x your dmg anyway

[steel zinc]

The damage amps I saw for mythic prog are all 2ish minutes

[alpine wraith]

but they will get tuned likely

[steel zinc]

Yeah if it stays this way you will play 2 boomkins 2 sp 2 hunter 2 mages and rest buff those classes

And double stack like monk this tier in prog 2 of the best melee

[warm marlin]

we cannot seriously be looking at one week of heroic testing where half the specs were bugged as the meta for raid right

[alpine wraith]

still plenty of time for tuning but idk

[steel zinc]

Yes

Ofc

[alpine wraith]

i mean yes you look at the current data

[lilac stag]

You can look at current tuning on live and realize our tier isn’t enough

[swift tinsel]

we're getting eb stack change today or thursday

[alpine wraith]

where more do you want to look

[swift tinsel]

next week we get dn/mark bug fix

[alpine wraith]

true believe max stacks to 7

[swift tinsel]

week after fixes to nimble

[fleet wharf]

is this wishful thinking or do we have some reason to believe this is the case?

[alpine wraith]

i told my secret mole at blizz to do that

[swift tinsel]

everything I say is wishful thinking

[steel zinc]

Your are

[lilac stag]

then we’ll look at sims that are 300k behind others and still say it’s ok

[alpine wraith]

then wm gets changed to work with everything

[chrome palm]

Where ptr note

[alpine wraith]

and goremaw buffs next two finishers by 2 cp

instead of energy

i see it now

[fleet wharf]

that might be cool, bake goremaw into symbols

[swift tinsel]

I'm tryna put things into the universe

charged my crystals and everything

[alpine wraith]

i have to talk to dr strange to go to the multiverse where that happens

brb

[swift tinsel]

bathed in moon water this morning

[warm marlin]

nowhere because boomie's tier was over a 100% increase

[alpine wraith]

dont thjink im coming back

[warm marlin]

and enh was like 70%

[fleet wharf]

werent boomies just bugged to all hell and back last week on ptr?

[steel zinc]

The tierset for sub imo is fine just the hero talents are both imo bad. Trickster plays fine but without tier is pretty boring.

[warm marlin]

you can't use that data to extrapolate what things would be like

[alpine wraith]

weirder things have been let around but not for long

i still remember surrender to madness or venthyr moonkin

[steel zinc]

Yes but still broken.

[alpine wraith]

or MoP mastery monk

[fleet wharf]

i mean they'll surely fix it before launch

[alpine wraith]

press a button to do 590% inc dmg

??¿¿

[swift tinsel]

imo boomkins still haven't paid their due for venthyr boomkin

[steel zinc]

Went on boomkin alt ptr key did 60 mill opener on first pull of the new dungeon

[alpine wraith]

yea they never recovered quite after

[swift tinsel]

they need 2 more expacs of just being gutter trash

[fleet wharf]

boomkins also deserve to have their aoe capped at 8 like everyone else

[steel zinc]

So balance is balanced

[alpine wraith]

man i had to play that shit surrender

instead of rogue

[lilac stag]

Let’s see. Nothing changed for sub except tier. We’re bottom 1/3 with slightly better tier.

Extrapolate that

[fleet wharf]

top dps baby

woooo

[alpine wraith]

even with good tier we dont get as much from trinks

even the busted trink is crit

so mm eats even better

that one will also get nerfed

[steel zinc]

Also you 100% won't play sub during prog. Assa is way better rn for raiding

[alpine wraith]

but then

[swift tinsel]

mm on a generational winning streak

[warm marlin]

the mm who they just murdered this week

[alpine wraith]

im glad for them

fuck bm

[fleet wharf]

why the hate for bm

[chrome palm]

The mm nerfs looked very big but I don’t know the %

[hazy breach]

What is bro smoking

[warm marlin]

this copium is unreal

[hollow spear]

I read the last four hours of messages in here

[swift tinsel]

yeah their aoe got galik gunned

[hollow spear]

And I want to ram a fork into my eyes

[warm marlin]

ye

[hazy breach]

300k behind what, i havent seen many sims but the ones ive seen seem to suggest the opposite

[steel zinc]

Just a fact tell me rn one fight in the new raid where you think sub is better?

[hollow spear]

Unfounded dooming

[alpine wraith]

rn we can only try to do weird things with coup and see how it goes

every time i tried to touch the apl it was not good

[hollow spear]

Why the heck are we discussing ptr balance rn

[warm marlin]

people will look down the barrel of a 30% tier set while assa is wallowing in despair and say why would you ever play sub

[steel zinc]

Why not?

[hollow spear]

That's omega cooked

[alpine wraith]

because now you can get to 20k mastery

[chrome palm]

Dog we haven’t seen any of the fights on mythic

[alpine wraith]

that is important

[sacred yarrow]

we dont have much else going on :(

[alpine wraith]

everyone knows sub unlocks and extra cp at 30k mastery

[fleet wharf]

wait why is assa sad about their tier? It looked ok, no?

[hollow spear]

It's completely pointless, so much broken shit still

[pliant topaz]

happens every ptr cycle nothing new

[warm marlin]

actual victims

[lilac stag]

dude nothing changed for sub

[hollow spear]

They're going to bring 12 boomkins, they do crazy damage!!!!

[lilac stag]

Open your eyes

lol

[swift tinsel]

bro imagine being in discord with 12 boomkins

[warm marlin]

ok my eyes are open

[hollow spear]

I have to block scath, reading your doom is unhealthy for me

[warm marlin]

its the best spec on the only st fight of the tier rn

[swift tinsel]

and having to listen to them

[warm marlin]

so itll be the best spec in the new tier

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-arabic-turkish-middle-east-gif-1598914448700171832

[lilac stag]

all those ST fights

[warm marlin]

oh and its also the best for burst aoe

see: gallywix

[hazy breach]

#subtlety it seems

[hollow spear]

Ryldd is one of the only guys who's actually testing ptr and people come at him with the stinkiest takes

[warm marlin]

so if nothing changes it looks great

[hollow spear]

Unreal

[warm marlin]

i mean that stuff has nothing to do with ptr testing

if u play the game rn you can see

sub is not bad

[hollow spear]

Probably watched one of the THIS SPEC IS ABSOLUTELY CLAPPING THE METERS video and have an opinion now

[alpine wraith]

yea sub will be ok dont worry guys

[hazy breach]

Its very weak

[alpine wraith]

they play DS

so it is kekw

[fleet wharf]

are both fatebound and ds stinky for th em?

[hazy breach]

And the extra consumption of the mark feels annoying sometimes because you dont want to cast shiv with darkest night up

[warm marlin]

now for keys sure doom away

[hazy breach]

Fatebound is unplayable as usual

[fleet wharf]

So it's more janky to deal with DS and fatebound is only good if you have 1 target with no other target period right?

[alpine wraith]

sub for keys will be interesting with the 30k mastery trink

[hollow spear]

They'll probably nuke that one

Can't see that staying the way it is

[hazy breach]

Its got such low uptime

And its very random

[alpine wraith]

you can force it a bit

[hollow spear]

Okay maybe it will stay

[warm marlin]

proccing when things die seems like its going to int you by proccing it as a pack is going to die

[alpine wraith]

but yea idk i like forge + prism

[chrome palm]

It was like 15% for me in FG

[alpine wraith]

big cds

but antenna might be better

[alpine wraith]

the idea is same as kezan you play around it with your group

not plug and play

[hollow spear]

I'm our only rogue, now sub just has to not be much worse than sin and I'm a ok

[fathom adder]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-finding-nemo-mine-mine-mine-thats-mine-lulugifs-gif-20827668

@swift tinsel

[alpine wraith]

me waiting for rogue buffs https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif?ex=686dc618&is=686c7498&hm=fbab9cc2657a863e610c36136f00afe44ffb1152646b13909f93acdc5be0a7a8&

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/beth-beth-dutton-kelly-reilly-yellowstone-yellowstone-tv-gif-6348967194203380307

[alpine wraith]

never lose hope

remember we made them delete sepsis

keep it out of its misery

[lilac stag]

make them just delete sub.

we all out of misery then.

jk purple best

we’re so back

How to fix blizzards 2499/2500 bug. Get DMF buff.

Still can’t earn extra rep, but at renown 20

[void ocean]

bruh u overheatin

never seen that rollercoaster of emotions

[lilac stag]

one consistent emotion. Laughter.

none of this shit is serious.

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/zack-snyder-its-all-a-joke-its-a-joke-warner-bros-discovery-watchmen-gif-26990468

[alpine wraith]

sub is just the cool guy that never gets anything

but still trucks

[lilac stag]

The DMF thing did work though. Thankfully remembered it was up.

[alpine wraith]

you can try it with assurance of consecuence or lei shen

when mop classic is a think

[void ocean]

whats dmf

[lilac stag]

darkmoon fair

[alpine wraith]

dark moon faire

[lilac stag]

Rep buff

[void ocean]

oh

[lilac stag]

It basically got me 2501 rep vs the 2500 leaving me stuck at 2499

🍝

[void ocean]

need help to unstuck?

step-Scath

[lilac stag]

blizzard won’t help with it

if you tell gm ai to stop responding they do.

[alpine wraith]

you will get random canned messages

then told to delete cache and wtf

then someone will say sorry cant do anything i dont have the power

or to ask wowhead

[lilac stag]

I just kept opening it, the. After 2 canned responses told them to stop. It instant closed ticket each time.

who knows what actual interaction is going on

[alpine wraith]

scath helping with kpis

what a good guy

[chrome palm]

It’s probably just people in the third world

[void ocean]

hey

that hurts

[alpine wraith]

most likely

but the quality of the service can be high there too

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

companies just cheap out

asd always

[chrome palm]

I heard blizz qa (yes it exists) was outsourced to Poland

My concept of Poland has significantly decreased after hearing this

[void ocean]

Poland is 3rd world, wut 😄

[chrome palm]

It’s 2nd

[keen dome]

Nah, it's all at the big central place Microsoft use now. And then they hand it over to Blizz themselves if it's escalated.

[chrome palm]

Sorry not cs

I meant qa

Their cs is for sure India or something

[alpine wraith]

it was going to unionize so you know what happens

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, QA, no clue.

[alpine wraith]

we look forward to looking with this union people!

fire them all

welcome our new QA staff based in xxx

[keen dome]

Pretty sure their QA are all unpaid and in the USA though.

Actually, their QA pay them

[bleak night]

we're the qa

[keen dome]

YES

[bleak night]

so yes their qa does pay them

[alpine wraith]

i think im blacklisted

from reporting too many things

sometimes i remember to report goremaw and blades still dont flurry

[lilac stag]

if there’s supposed to be rep after 20 for a cache, the rep gain still broken.

[alpine wraith]

dont think there is

but would be fun if it was

free gold every week

[chrome palm]

I’m so sorry sir have you tried looking it up on wowhead.com

I’m closing this ticket now

[lilac stag]

nah. Only use thottbot here

[chrome palm]

Please fill out my survey

[keen dome]

Nah, I think it just ends at 20

[bleak night]

there's a rep cache with a recolored flarendo mount

[alpine wraith]

oh nice

[keen dome]

no way

i'll never be done running the stupid raid!!!

[bleak night]

well i made that up so you'll probably be done eventually

[keen dome]

[lunar bluff]

guys i did a rookery last night, last boss as sub and i pressed coup before sec tech

is that bad

[swift tinsel]

depends

[alpine wraith]

yea it is all over

[lunar bluff]

i for sure shouldve sec tech first gg

[alpine wraith]

your weps are destroyed

[lunar bluff]

they blew up

[hazy breach]

Thats how the bitcoin miners get to you

[lunar bluff]

poopcoin

[swift tinsel]

isn't that what happened to whispyr

[lunar bluff]

but that was my first sub xp this season that spec still just makes me giggle

[swift tinsel]

he pressed coup before sectech

[fathom adder]

do you start you shadowdances between the 2 dance big cd combo when sectec can be the 2nd finisher due to symbols or do you always try to use it as a first and wait a bit more with cd reduction of dance?

[lunar bluff]

16mil dps first burn phase, 400k dps to shield. the healer was literally on my ass

[lusty epoch]

why do guides say to use evis with 6+ combo points only?

there's a talent that says finishers do more damage with 5+

and sometimes with bad ShaTec stacks during dance you end up with 5 points... do I just use evis or use another shadowstrike and waste 1 CP?

[hazy breach]

I recently looking into it again for the next tier and it genuinely doesnt matter

[hazy breach]

I think youre reading the talent wrong, its not finishers at 5 or more do more, its all finishers do more and you can consume more than 5 cp at once

[fathom adder]

thanks for the info

[hazy breach]

But yes its better to strike again at 5 and finish at 7

[lusty epoch]

oh i read it wrong lol.. it says "Your finishing moves that consume more than 5 combo points have increased effect"

so yeah my bad just misread it totally

[lunar bluff]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/kEqfkxTCeL2sSmS6L?invite=cr-MSxUclosNDU1MDEwMw i think if i sectech'd first i get 3 sec techs in right?

[hazy breach]

Its just saying you can use 6 cp and it will do 6x damage instead of the 5X it would do at 5 cp

[warm marlin]

could also have symbols/danced right after your first dance since you had 11s left on sectec

delayed your 2nd sectec by 2 gcds

[lusty epoch]

okok got it, thanks

[lunar bluff]

u right

[hazy breach]

Yes, you also shouldve started flaging and rupturing the millisecond the shield breaks, isntead of after the buff is applied

[warm marlin]

rupture falling off is probably also bad

[hazy breach]

The entire damage window is around 24 seconds long

With 20 seconds of it being the damage amp

[lunar bluff]

this was deliberate as i didnt want to SC a rupture but my deliberate thought could be wrong as i havent played sub this tier

hmm ok i tried to send flag right before amp starts but i should start as shield breaks?

ok

[hazy breach]

You dont want rupture falling of, but the main thing is that you waited like 4 seconds to flag

Ye because youll go flag>rupture>backstab (with dance+symbols)> sectech

So by the time the clones hit the amp has started anyway

[lunar bluff]

makes sense ty

[hazy breach]

And you dont need to use any globals during the amp to rupture or flag

[lunar bluff]

yeah i purposefully didnt refresh rupture but the real skill check is refreshing before ok ok

i missed a whole sec tech in there

and still did 16mil dps

funny ass spec

[warm marlin]

also cold blooded the first sectec, didn't backstab for dm in either dance

[hazy breach]

A good burst on that boss is around 300M

With BL and pot you can go a bit higher ofc

Or well, thats with my comp which is only shaman+dh for buffs

[lunar bluff]

i did 340

[hazy breach]

But you have the whole simp squad so yours should be way higher

[lunar bluff]

yeah

this is just the time frame of the boss having dmg amp i think

[lunar bluff]

u want to cold blood 2nd sec tech?

[hazy breach]

Yes

Youll have more flawless form stacks for that one

[lunar bluff]

ur telling me i need to unmacro sectech cb

or have 2 buttons

[hazy breach]

Yesnt, you want a sectech bind without it

[lunar bluff]

do u do 2 binds for sec tech

or just bind cb

[hazy breach]

I have CB+Sectech on my tea bind

[lunar bluff]

why did the music drop on dmg amp

[warm marlin]

i like 2 binds

[lunar bluff]

thats so lit

i think i do 2 binds

V is sec tech

shift v is sec tech cb

[hazy breach]

Or a modifier

Ye

[warm marlin]

f/shift f

[haughty mural]

Also habe 2 binds

[lunar bluff]

nope

[haughty mural]

4 and shift y

[lunar bluff]

f is fan of knifes

knives

[haughty mural]

[north schooner]

4 for plain sectec, Z for CB sectec

[lunar bluff]

no

4 is backstab

[north schooner]

nono

[lunar bluff]

1 is shadowstrike

2 rupture

3 evis

r dance

mb2 is symbols

shift R is blades

gg

[haughty mural]

1 is backstab out of dance and 3 is backstab in dance

[lunar bluff]

get outta here

GET!

[haughty mural]

I have the most cursed binds

Fight me

[hazy breach]

Almost except its 5 in dance

[north schooner]

I also have SB+trinket+racial+sectec on Shift+E. So 3 sectec buttons in total

[lunar bluff]

i bet you have poop your pants bound to every button @haughty mural

[hazy breach]

My most cursed bind is kick being on shift-4 instead of something simple

[lunar bluff]

shift 4 is keep it rolling

[haughty mural]

You bet

[north schooner]

kick should be on F and then you shift+F for focus kick

[lunar bluff]

no

kick is t

shift t focus kick

ctrl t set focus

[hazy breach]

Rupture is on regular 4, so alt-4 is mouseover rupture and ctrl-4 is focus kick

Not ideal

[lunar bluff]

eleem we need to get you in the lab

fix that

[haughty mural]

Rupture is Q for me

[north schooner]

I have ||shuriken toss|| on T

[warm marlin]

why don't you just have a backstab bind and a shadowstrike bind

why are they different in and out of dance

[hazy breach]

Well 1 is the "ST builder" bind

[haughty mural]

Have that since legion

[warm marlin]

i was doing this until i got annoyed by stance delay

[swift tinsel]

1 is bs/strike but 3 becomes bs in dance

[hazy breach]

So backstab in dance just gets a scuffed bind

[warm marlin]

but even then it was 1 backstab 2 bs/shadowstrike

[swift tinsel]

since 3 is my dance bind

[hazy breach]

Im personally of the opinion they should just make backstab turn into strike in dance

[north schooner]

2 seems more comfy for builders

[hazy breach]

Im not a fan of backstabbing

[lunar bluff]

4 is best builder bind but since sub has backstab and shadowstrike i have to use 1 and 4

[swift tinsel]

2 is my evisc/envenom/dispatch

[warm marlin]

one too many times i vanish backstabbed because my bars did not change fast enough

[swift tinsel]

4 is my step bind lol

[chrome palm]

LETS GOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-shirt-rip-gif-26569973

[warm marlin]

huge

time to never do a key again?

[blazing iron]

evis on 3 is diabolical work, 2-3 are always ‘maintenance keys’ for me and 4 is excess spender button(evis/envenom)

[lunar bluff]

envenom he says

[swift tinsel]

I use my middle finger 1-3 pretty comfy so its not that weird

[blazing iron]

red name in blue name channel i am cooked

[lunar bluff]

lucky plays bleed build confirmed

[sweet turret]

I have
Q Shadowstrike
E Evis

[lunar bluff]

"HEY GUYS DID U SEE MY SUDDEN DEMISE DMG!!!"

smh

[swift tinsel]

Q symbols E kick

[keen dome]

Perfection.

[blazing iron]

q shadow step goes crazy bro

[swift tinsel]

quite easy to SoD+Dance insta with those binds

[lunar bluff]

bro uses 6?!?!!

ok edward scissorhands

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[keen dome]

FEAR MY REACH

[lunar bluff]

i bet you hit like 3 with your palm

big ass hands

[keen dome]

It's way simpler than that

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/concert-crazy-old-man-crazy-concert-old-man-on-stage-onstage-gif-2583354641826449906

[hazy breach]

Its cheap shot, so technically yes i use it but i dont actually

[lunar bluff]

eleem im kinda done with u today

[keen dome]

haha

[lunar bluff]

i spend one hour in sub chat

[swift tinsel]

cheap shot f2 gang

[lunar bluff]

and this is what i see?

[keen dome]

Thumb on control, pinky on 6.

The ideal setup

[void ocean]

thumb on everything

cause 19 buttons mouse

[hazy breach]

Gotta switch it up from the constant dooming thats usually going around these parts

[lunar bluff]

outlaw is doom

but valid doom

[hazy breach]

Key doom seems valid for sub, but raid seems good

[void ocean]

but i wanna do keys as sub

[bleak night]

too bad nerd

[void ocean]

dont make me do that bleed shit again

[crude bridge]

Thoughts on Deathstalker? My Trash DPS seems lowish but does decently on bosses.

[north schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[lunar bluff]

outlaw had to play killing spree

for a WHOLE tier

HELLO?

[bleak night]

spill issue

[north schooner]

scream at the tank to move

[chrome palm]

i got a classic for you

[hazy breach]

I mean im not trying to one-up outlaw doom, just explaining what the chat is all about

[lunar bluff]

i understand ya king

just not ur binds

[hazy breach]

Ye i dont either

But old dogs cant learn new tricks you know

Cant rebind shit just for fun in the middle of a season

[lunar bluff]

i tried to change my feint bind recently

and had to undo it

[swift tinsel]

meawhile I still jump when I hit flag

[lunar bluff]

i felt like no buttons worked

[chrome palm]

feint goes on q

everyone knows that

in rogue school

[lunar bluff]

feint is mb 1

Q is flag or pistol shoit

[swift tinsel]

well, shift+mb1

[lunar bluff]

yeah no

[north schooner]

feint is X

[crude bridge]

feint is 2

[swift tinsel]

I can't unbind X bc I need to teabag people

[void ocean]

shift+my bad?

[lunar bluff]

X is trinket guys

[chrome palm]

my x is || sap ||

should probably rebind that lol

[lunar bluff]

shift Y is sap

[void ocean]

rofl

ppl binding sap

[chrome palm]

maybe i move vanish from z to x

[swift tinsel]

I think mine is mb2

vanish be shift+1

[north schooner]

moving binds is always fun for a while

[chrome palm]

i know a sub rogue who had dance/symbols on shift 3+4

[swift tinsel]

I came up with my bind schema when I was 17 and I refuse to change it

[void ocean]

when i was 17 half the spells didnt exist

[lunar bluff]

i clicked when i was 17.

[north schooner]

if it ain't broke

[swift tinsel]

was about half my lifetime ago lol

[lunar bluff]

i love how old wow players are

[void ocean]

fu

[lunar bluff]

i think ill be 40 playing thi sgame

[void ocean]

who u callin old

[lunar bluff]

im 28

[swift tinsel]

gimme a few more years and I will be haha

[sweet turret]

am I young with 27 years?

[swift tinsel]

35 and almost dead but not quite

[lunar bluff]

27 is like, average ish for wow ?

which is old for gamers

[void ocean]

im expecting to hit 40 sometime during the third expansion

[sweet turret]

true

[void ocean]

of this trilogy

[north schooner]

why is it uncertain?

[chrome palm]

O_O

because im gonna kill him

[crude bridge]

Did Everquest for like 15 years before WoW - all spells were keybound, but a lot of 'extra' abilities were clicked, but there wasn't all this floor is toxic stuff so movement was limited.

[void ocean]

dunno if i can live another season like current 😄

[blazing iron]

my x is kidney o.o

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1365042674842992660/9l2o5h-ezgif.com-reverse.gif

its a dave season

in s3

plus I have it on good authority we're S-tier going into the new raid

[tepid trellis]

checks out

[graceful osprey]

Surely we’ll be S-tier

[swift tinsel]

outlaw gets cucked into Too Bad for the List

therefore its a great tier list

[lusty epoch]

I hope wow 2 will be out when i'm 40 😢

[tepid trellis]

skill issue for not having their spec start with either S-A-B-C-D-E

[lusty epoch]

In 9 years

[swift tinsel]

could have been Swashbuckler's and made it to the top

but nah they're plebs

[graceful osprey]

In 9 years : classic war within

[lusty epoch]

I wonder if the young generation would even be interested in a NEW FRESH awesome mmorpg

I guess they still prefer fortnite

[swift tinsel]

Roblox but make it wow

cozy Tillers Farmville

[keen dome]

Tillers farm was charming

I hope I can have a vegetable garden at my house

[lusty epoch]

Young brains are so cooked they will fall asleep if they have to move between razor hill and orgrimmar

[void ocean]

"i used to take a boat to Menethil harbour, then walk for an hour to IF, take Deeprun to SW..." sure thing granpa, time for a nap...

[runic trail]

Now its all 'I take a boat to menethil, swim across the bay and force unstuck bug myself over to Ironforge'

I couldn't get it to work on my nelf in hardcore so I just fuckin' swam to Westfall

[chrome palm]

survival sub meta would be peak

[swift tinsel]

survival a bit of a goated spec

10/10 support their endeavors

[chrome palm]

brew/surv/sub/arms/rsham meta when

fuck brez

dont die

[swift tinsel]

take lust from shaman and give it to warrior, give shaman brez

makes sense lorewise

in both cases

[vale pine]

the classic ^^

[swift tinsel]

I love throwing into a discord channel and watch heads explode lol

[hollow spear]

I heard survival is supposed to be quite fun

[swift tinsel]

It has its charms for sure imo

losing Wildfire Infusion kinda stinks

but Pack Leader captures a little bit of that feeling

green bomb into an aoe pack was a lotta dopamine tho

when they all had sting up

[hollow spear]

Kinda cringe when you look at its playrate vs bm

[crude bridge]

The changes to Butchery made me sad

[swift tinsel]

I mean bm is the easiest spec in the game and its ranged that has zero drawbacks that come with playing ranged

can move out of anything while still going full speed ahead

and lately has been tuned pretty well

[hollow spear]

Besides maybe cursed pet ai sometimes

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's always a caveat bc pet ai is actual ass

played bm to get the mage tower armor set and that was enough of it for me

[crude bridge]

Sub / Surv had the same Mage Tower challenge - did both

[chrome palm]

surv didnt even feel very bloated with buttons either

i think blizz really wants to keep hunter streamlined though

because its the go-to "easy class"

[lilac stag]

Bloated by Hunter standards

[chrome palm]

yeah exactly

[lilac stag]

Legion plate spinning SV still gives some people nightmares

[chrome palm]

flanking strike felt awkward in aoe

but they couldve buffed the build that didnt take it

instead they choice node it with butchery which people liked in raid

[crude bridge]

Legion SV wasn't even that hard - but it was fairly fast paced. Still like never see play SV really.

[chrome palm]

you never will unless its broken

[lilac stag]

Two button Bomber WA spec for example

SV play rate all time high.

[chrome palm]

yeah let me play the hunter spec that loses with downtime, cant do hunter jobs, and makes melee more cluttered

[lilac stag]

I still enjoy it.

just super difficult to quantify bringing it to mythic raid

[swift tinsel]

it's always a spec at the back of my mind as one I really like playing but never settle on gearing/playing

[lilac stag]

so I apply atrophic

The pacing is good. The loop is good. You have some fun visuals.

[swift tinsel]

we had a surv hunter main for late SL and all of DF until fated and has played WW since

the Little Spec Who Could

the last time I really committed to it was BFA

[lilac stag]

You have to narrow down which of the 3 specs you’re talking about. sV, WW or Sub

[swift tinsel]

lmao fair point

the saddest umbrella

[lilac stag]

it be what it be.

[shrewd lantern]

WW at least brings monk buff

SV brings well, nothing

[lilac stag]

If I ever go full casual instead quitting, SV time.

[shrewd lantern]

who has worse defensives sv or enh

[lilac stag]

Enh

[swift tinsel]

does survival get double Survival of the Fittest charges

or am I imagining that

[lilac stag]

It was yes.

Not sure if still yes. Mine it a pot dealer atm

[shrewd lantern]

Enhance just feels like

if the wind blows a bit too hard

your healthbar is in danger

[jaunty heath]

ptr rogue buffs this week!!! whos ready

[swift tinsel]

ah you can get a second charge in the class tree

[rich stump]

I am curious why is Assass preffered over sub in the meta? I have been doing either the same or more damage than people higher ilvl than me, I don't think assass can do that.
Sub has Better survability, flexibale cooldowns, better damage profile since burst damage tends to be better and on par if not better priority damage.(Also 100% move speed shroud is also nice). Why is assass considered the go to spec?

in m+

[jaunty heath]

dmg profile

[hazy breach]

No its just more damage

[jaunty heath]

sin has way better funnel and aoe

[hazy breach]

Straightup

Sub isnt bad

[jaunty heath]

yea technically sin is a lot more dmg too

[rich stump]

yea it's just I see 0 sub rogue around, it's Assass or rarely outlaw

[swift tinsel]

sub is not popular most of the time

[jaunty heath]

yea sub doesnt do shit

[swift tinsel]

so you generally won't see it around often unless its tuned favorably

[shrewd lantern]

assa does more damage

it's like, not even debatable

[rich stump]

Guess I'll have to invite an assass and see the difference

[shrewd lantern]

The amount you can do with pretty much no cooldowns is ridic

[swift tinsel]

just farming damage and demise executes

[shrewd lantern]

I mean if you exclusively giant pull around your shb/flag

maybe sub can do comparable

[swift tinsel]

yeah you've gotta have a tank pulling around you which good luck

[rich stump]

I just dispise having to click nameplates to dot everything main reason I don't like assass

[jaunty heath]

nah sin still wins i think

in higher keys at least

[swift tinsel]

ye

mouseover garrote/rupture goated tho

or tunnel into one target and ID spread for you if you cba

[shrewd lantern]

The second your tank does cooked ass pulls as sub you hate your life

do i send flag into a 3 mob pull

[rich stump]

but I feel like sub pretty much always has CDs, I sometimes send Blades pack before boss cuz I know I will still get 2 uses anyway during boss fight. Blades is up every second pack and dance is always there atleast 2 times per pull

[swift tinsel]

yuuuup, or you play with an arcane mage who just does your job better in every way lol

[tepid trellis]

now imagine if nimble actually flurried like it was meant to

[rich stump]

the way I see it , I always do, just because no one else does and we spend 2 min fighting 3 mobs cuz no one will press anything

[shrewd lantern]

yeah and sin does almost the same

while committing one shiv at best

often

[swift tinsel]

and soon just pressing shiv will give better funnel too

[rich stump]

yea I mean that's true, Deathmark isn't as big of a CD as Blades is

[shrewd lantern]

look at the dh tier bonus

[rich stump]

what about outlaw though how does it comapre?

or is it dead spec

[swift tinsel]

ye AR is going to be the best

[shrewd lantern]

reaver glaive hits 12x instead of 6

[swift tinsel]

ez

[tepid trellis]

Outlaw does insane dmg

if you are good at piloting it

[swift tinsel]

was already really good funnel and with s3 set havoc will dumpster everyone else probably

[shrewd lantern]

I mean wounded quarry is literally

a better singular focus

[swift tinsel]

their tier set gives bonus glaive bounce and phys damage done which is a nuclear combo

[shrewd lantern]

like sf is maybe 3-4% of your damage overall as ds sin

max

quarry can easily be over 8

[shrewd lantern]

yeah its crazy especially when i remember havoc's tierset this season sucked

compared to veng resetting hunt cd

[warm marlin]

sure, but assa also gets more energy/more cp from more targets

[shrewd lantern]

I dont think its more damage end of the day

[warm marlin]

i do think havoc is in a position to maybe be the best funnel in the game in s3 tho

[shrewd lantern]

if aldrachi bonus goes live as it is on ptr its gonna be king

and its not like vdh cant use the bonus either

[swift tinsel]

don't they get more souls from enemies hit from sigils

[shrewd lantern]

who veng or havoc

[swift tinsel]

both

thought there was a class talent that did that

[shrewd lantern]

fracture generates 2 lessers per use

[shrewd lantern]

yeah that

[swift tinsel]

that's the one I was thinking of

[shrewd lantern]

you also get from sigil of spite

[swift tinsel]

yeah

that's the closest I'd say they get to getting more resource with more enemies since you need souls to fuel reaver's glaive

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=442806/wounded-quarry

sometimes shatter a lesser fragment

also if you stun you have a 30% chance to generate one

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah forgot that last part of quarry

[summer cliff]

I would be a DH main but I hate the Shattered Souls mechanic so much

Feels terrible as Havoc when a soul frag spawns on the other side of the mob and you have to skip around to collect it

[swift tinsel]

felblade collects them for you

for AR at least

we're gonna get a blue post sometime this week, I can feel it in my plums

[shrewd lantern]

if you don't AD like you have severe adhd are you really a dh main

[swift tinsel]

We picked one up towards the end of last season and he’s one of the funniest people I’ve ever played with lol

[bleak night]

can i feel your plums

wait sorry this isnt assa

[hollow spear]

Assa wouldn't be so timid with their request

[swift tinsel]

Only if you provide 2-4 additional Escalating Blade stacks above the current cap

And/or fix nimble flurry bugs. All of them.

[hollow spear]

That would fill my plums with joy

[bleak night]

i dont think i have the capacity to do that

im just a humble plum feeler

[swift tinsel]

Hm okay you win this round

[lilac stag]

Ofc we will. Priest to Shaman style

[proven plover]

Our only post will be week 1 when we will get nerfed without a real reason

[swift tinsel]

"We've heard your feedback regarding Escalating Blade with the season 3 tier set so we're going to change the way it stacks so it doesn't lead to as many wasted stacks"

and everybody clapped

nah we're not gonna get a drive-by nerf this time

no perma-Winning Streak stack bug

[lilac stag]

I hope all your dreams come true.

https://tenor.com/view/pinch-same-choke-welcome-to-fantasy-island-cheers-gif-13742951

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

me when they do

Resolving to be the anti-doom

a being of pure hopium

I'll just get annoying with other things like there being no good black leather leggings that match the darkfuse trenchcoat

the shaders are just slightly off enough to look bleh

closest ones are from Deaths Advance exalted so Korthia/Maw farming

[keen dome]

What about the pair from Venthyr rep?

[swift tinsel]

googles

[keen dome]

Sinful INquisitors Leggings

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-night-sentinels-doon-gif-12594970713074372149

[swift tinsel]

these may actually be perfect

[lilac stag]

Can you use the black tuxedo?

[swift tinsel]

I think so but I vaguely remember it not quite matching

[lilac stag]

I like the s2 recolor we got this go

[swift tinsel]

but I think I had them as a backup option jic nothing else really worked

they're like 100k on the ah so not the worst

[lilac stag]

I may try to do the rep with the winds thingy

haven’t had the stomach for it tbh

[swift tinsel]

I think I skipped almost all of the rep stuff in DF

maybe do Iskaaran for the mount

with the buff for darkfuse it'll take maybe 4-5 hours if you're unlucky with groups

[runic trail]

'only'

[swift tinsel]

for a rep farm that's actually really fast

Skyguard took idek how many

same with Talon King/Queen

[runic trail]

I'm on honoured already so, I'M PART WAY THERE

[swift tinsel]

I usually only care about rep stuff if there's a cool title or appearances behind it

or if I'm required for certain power gains

and I always use the same mounts so collecting those is kinda w/e

[runic trail]

Same, been on the class hall bird since I got it

Its a bird. With a hat.

[hexed sluice]

got a mythic pacemaker, its just equip an forget right for sub?

[swift tinsel]

Class hall bird or undermine achievement blue mech

Occasionally go with the code red mt dew sl ksm one if it fits the mog

[lilac stag]

what else would you do with it?

[hexed sluice]

Try to line it up with cds, though re reading it seems it does that already

[lilac stag]

yeah there’s no playing around it

[hexed sluice]

bless

[lilac stag]

the only thing your worry about as Sub with trinkets is getting House of Cards. Other than that ignore em.

[tender frost]

no notes

[warm marlin]

huge sub buffs indirectly

need someone to log in to ptr to see what unwritten changes we got this week

[slate marlin]

there is no way theres no rogue notes even on tier tuning

[tight bloom]

Realzed

[graceful rock]

They’re there

ThEyRe JuSt In StEaLtH 🤪

[midnight ledge]

Rogue not even listed again Lol

[warm marlin]

escalating still capped at 4

[summer lynx]

Remember when someone said earlier that I was cooked for saying there is a chance we dont get any tuning lol

I do.

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[clever delta]

i cant find rogue in last bluepost

[fierce wigeon]

shoulda been an ez call , theres no rogue dev

[summer lynx]

its okay blizz cant seem to find it either.

[steel zinc]

Rogue done dumpster more dooming now

[lilac stag]

Just remember. We’re “good”.

[steel zinc]

Blizzard forgot the class existed

[midnight ledge]

Which rogue spec does that monk buff help the most?

[lilac stag]

have fun.

[clever delta]

its very good for all 3

[warm marlin]

outlaw

[dry plank]

this monk change are stupid

[pliant topaz]

the buff doesnt mean youre gonna be doing giga damage. just that in raid, youll be tuned more around it (so instead of needing 5% to do about the same damage as others, u need now 8%)

so if youre missing the buff

youre more fucked

for fun

enjoy

[dry plank]

now we need to have shaman and monk friend

it is disaster in m+ comp

[pliant topaz]

I think that was maybe their reason? like monk buff was such an xD in key groups they buffed it to make it more desirable?

idk didnt read their "dev comments"

[fallow nimbus]

Rogue should get the 8% phys dmg. What would be a good name? Maybe exposed armor or something

[swift tinsel]

Looks like I saved $5

[pliant topaz]

im savign 20 every month

get on my level

[clever delta]

seems like wowhead now spamming for fun

[swift tinsel]

Also they changed the tier set on a Thursday last time so there’s still hope

And also weeks

[clever delta]

what you guys wanna change

[dry plank]

we should do same thing blizzard do to class, disappear like armin

fuk dat shit

[tender frost]

the mystic touch buff seems like itll do more harm than good

[swift tinsel]

Lmao then they have less people to worry about, win for them

[tender frost]

in raid it does absolutely nothing they're not just gonna let phys dps be 3% better off, in keys you're now cooked without monk

[viral phoenix]

yo was on last boss of rookery in a +19, first amp sent full cds but on 2nd amp flag was 12 seconds away. It's correct to just send 2 dances and hold flag/blades for 3rd amp right? We barely ended up not timing dungeon by like 7 seconds.

in those scenarios where flag would be 10 seconds away is there any merit for dps holding damage a lil so sub could slam into every amp? just felt hella awkward then we mistimed

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/besties-chaelisa-roseblackpink-blackpink-kpopreaction-gif-21635929

[dry plank]

Your group should play around your cds

[hazy breach]

In those scenarios the correct move is to spam the chat or voice to hold dps

[swift tinsel]

EB capping and wastage

If speaking purely about tier set

[clever delta]

ok

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[swift tinsel]

Bigger picture nimble bugs

And DN/mark

[vestal escarp]

damn 3% buff

[clever delta]

this is joke and never happen

rest is valid

[swift tinsel]

Allow marks to be consumed while DN is up by non-evisc finishers and tier set feels 1000% better

[viral phoenix]

ok damn that woulda been the difference ty

[swift tinsel]

Still shit but less so

[hazy breach]

It would be nice if our main cooldown actually worked with nimble

But alas, no can do apparently

[idle aurora]

I can’t decide if I wanna main sub or assassination :0 I hate that both specs are fun

[swift tinsel]

Play both

[clever delta]

yeah but you werent born yesterday either, so you know how fixing for us go

but its nice you guys keep pushing it surely realz read it

[swift tinsel]

Maybe that’s the change we got

No notes ever so who knows

(Unless one of y’all checked)

[idle aurora]

Can you effectively play both what would be best way to do that

[swift tinsel]

Flip a fatebound coin seven times

Then follow your heart

[idle aurora]

lol

[swift tinsel]

Gearing between the two isn’t drastically different so you can swap between the two with relative ease