They did it right after we killed mugzee and I didn’t get to blow my load onto the stacked adds in the end because my raidleader said we aren’t finger gunning them
#subtlety
lilac stag
kekw
jaunty heath
And I’m on the opposite side 
lilac stag
i was prison bitch
tender frost
aight to follow up on this it looks like reel assistant damage is being filtered by wcl?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LbWPvyh3TCpcag4D?fight=18&type=damage-done&target=76.12&by=ability like my nimble flurry is cut in half for some reason
oh its damage done sub 25% prob nvm im dumb
obtuse orbit
if simming for gally, do you do hectic cleave or patchwork?
tribal blade
if simming for gally, do you do hectic cleave or patchwork?
hectic add cleave would have too many adds
too often
obtuse orbit
i thought so but wanted to ask
tribal blade
instead of simming just look up what top parsers are doing/running on the fight
obtuse orbit
thanks!
vale pine
instead of simming just look up what top parsers are doing/running on the fight
I did recently, they pad on adds. I would not recommend to do so on progress
tribal blade
I did recently, they pad on adds. I would not recommend to do so on progress
oh yeah for sure
that's the holding cds for the first 30 seconds of the fight iirc
vale pine
Think it's a bit longer even but ye
vale pine
True true
haughty mural
Me thinks the problem is perception
Most people go zugzug - and if players won’t have high parses they must be bad
And in order to have good parses you often have to pad ur ass off
bleak night
if im not high on details whats the point in living
bleak night
100 pulls of less damage
haughty mural
It’s all bout the numbers i know
runic trail
100 pulls of less damage
The less time I have to spend playing wow the better
warm marlin
The only boss this tier u can really pad is gallywix at this point
bleak night
is the bar
haughty mural
Earlier there were other bosses too
warm marlin
Yes certainly
haughty mural
But now only gally is left true
obtuse orbit
yea i care less about a parse and just killing the boss since its prog. I just wasnt sure how simming that fight works. i was thinking of swapping to sub instead of playing sin but wasnt sure how it looked personally so wanted to compare
runic trail
yea i care less about a parse and just killing the boss since its prog. I just ...
For gally prog, honestly it depends on your raid comp. For us we had several classes that just demolished adds so there wasn't a whole lot of need to optimise myself around that
haughty mural
It’s the same thing early prog when ranges zugzug melee barrels for a lot of guilds and then wiped because of range barrels or smth like that
Small example
*on rik
obtuse orbit
For gally prog, honestly it depends on your raid comp. For us we had several cla...
I dont think adds will be an issue to be honest
warm marlin
yea i care less about a parse and just killing the boss since its prog. I just ...
imo, sin is probably a bit better if you have add damage, sub is a bit better if you need add damage (but still play the on cd timings, just hold dances occasionally)
vale pine
Me thinks the problem is perception
Did hear this too much, many guilds seemingly bench people based on parses in incomplete progress logs. Some guilds are strange
haughty mural
Yea absolutely
warm marlin
You can still do good boss damage on sub if you play for it on gally
and execute doesn’t particularly matter
runic trail
You can still do good boss damage on sub if you play for it on gally
Yeah 100%, also damage for gally doesn't matter a whole bunch
vale pine
Would suggest players switch to boss damage
warm marlin
well boss damage does matter on gallywix
maybe less now but every second you take off you remove risk of a cuff bomb player making a mistake
runic trail
Yeah but in terms of enrage times, it's chill
warm marlin
yea
vale pine
I mean people did think I was lying when I mentioned secret techniques not being attributed correctly on cauldron in my guild. Even tho there is a 21 damage source, a instance of it, in the log.
Don't expect people to put in effort when looking at logs.
(officers typically do, but your average player does not care)
bleak night
all wipes, overall damage done, big bar gud
tribal blade
Did hear this too much, many guilds seemingly bench people based on parses in in...
oh interesting
that does kinda make sense i guess
like sometimes on prog bosses i'll be doing the most damage across all wipes
and then on the kill something happens that destroys my parse
runic trail
and then on the kill something happens that destroys my parse
Every fucking time
tribal blade
Every fucking time
happens so often /cry
bleak night
i always know when we're going to kill a boss
because it'll be the first time i die in 100 pulls
runic trail
because it'll be the first time i die in 100 pulls
If you died on pull 1 boss would have been one shot
wet haven
because it'll be the first time i die in 100 pulls
same here :D
tribal blade
because it'll be the first time i die in 100 pulls
"yep this is definitely the kill, this is the most cursed pull i've ever had"
boom boss dies
eternal suffering
i got a rank 12 bandit kill today
and that pull i messed up at the start and screwed up consuming a mark
not a huge mistake, but still i was like "bleh this is gonna be the kill isn't it"
tribal blade
Our bandit reclear we didn't have a shaman <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
oh that's omega cursed
runic trail
They don't fucking exist
tribal blade
i did the hearth out and swap to sub tech for a 19 rookery that didn't have a shammy in it
and it felt so bad
so, so bad
keen dome
i got a rank 12 bandit kill today
The blaster, hell yeah
tribal blade
i wonder how much dps i lost screwing up that 1 mark consume
prob not a great deal, but considering how the entire hero tree revolves around rotating through marks and getting DN as much as possible
who knows
haughty mural
keen dome
i wonder how much dps i lost screwing up that 1 mark consume
12 dps
mental dune
ran into myth raid for the first time n it felt like the game was just EATING all my inputs
dont think ive ever had it struggle to register dance or blades this much before
peak chaos but still pretty fun
haughty mural
I wish there would be notes today
lilac stag
i got a rank 12 bandit kill today
Not even playin sub on rekills. SMH my head.
tribal blade
Not even playin sub on rekills. SMH my head.
i know i keep meaning to but don't haha
it's so much work changing specs
i'm but a helpless rogue
vale pine
i got a rank 12 bandit kill today
nicu, gz
tribal blade
traitor <:pepespit:727882936195612702>
i know i'm a filthy traitor
revoke my sub badge
i've become what i was sworn to destroy
lilac stag
@vale pine change his color. 
runic trail
<@194804407706189824> change his color. <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Turn him yellow
north schooner
is there a shame role yet? (other than assassination - bleed build)
tribal blade
<@194804407706189824> change his color. <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
noooooo
median nacelle
lilac stag
is there a shame role yet? (other than assassination - bleed build)
You have it on already.
runic trail
Bleed build is fun fight me
north schooner
You have it on already.
no sub is not shameful 
tribal blade
it's fun until you get to reasonably high keys and get asked "No KB?!?!?!"
when you join a group
lilac stag
such a shame they’re never going to fix the fucking spec rework
remote shuttle
i've become what i was sworn to destroy
Wasn't It law bud? 😂
keen dome
it's fun until you get to reasonably high keys and get asked "No KB?!?!?!"
"no I don't recognize monarchy so I have no need for it"
runic trail
it's fun until you get to reasonably high keys and get asked "No KB?!?!?!"
But then after the key you look at details and look at your demise numbers.
And life is okay
tribal blade
Wasn't It law bud? 😂
nah my biggest battle was always against sin lol
lilac stag
runic trail
It's a good thing I only run 12s, I'm safe to bleed
tribal blade
outlaws are at least mega sweating pressing a billion buttons a minute
runic trail
Not ran a m+ since the turbo boost and life is okay
lilac stag
I still need renown 19. Fucking 2499 bullshit
runic trail
except maxing out belt
Belt is maxed and then there's barely any time until the new season
The constant drip feed of power has been never ending
lilac stag
Can’t wait to not be able to get renown 20
tribal blade
it was annoying for pushing keys because it made all the work you did irrelevant
keeping you on the hamster wheel more
vale pine
I still need renown 19. Fucking 2499 bullshit
enjoying the renown grind?
runic trail
Can’t wait to not be able to get renown 20
You'd have thought blizzard could just... Add +1 renown
lilac stag
Company is a joke
Their support is abysmal
QA is non-existent
If there’s no renown gains after rank 20 there’s gonna be a lot of very angry people
lilac stag
You'd have thought blizzard could just... Add +1 renown
run a fucking DB query and adjust it. They’re just bad/lazy
They clearly have the tools as they adjusted the exploiters
plucky parrot
!wa
wicked joltBOT
mental dune
does it matter if i happen to dance --> backstab --> symbols --> evis instead of doing symbols into backstab?
tends to happen a lot if i have 15-ish seconds left on sectec cd
tepid trellis
nah thats fine
just remember to not evis first, in the big goes, in those you actually want Sectech as the first finisher
mental dune
like the 1st finishers after dances during blades?
remote shuttle
You sec te and After that Blade,to save 1 sec of Blade buff
tepid trellis
yes Sectech should be your first finisher inside of Shadow dance during flag/blades windows
remote shuttle
Sec tec (1st dancing finisher) , then u Press shadowblade to buff 1st builder After sec tec to generate max cp
hazy breach
Theres no difference pressing shadowblades after or before sectech anymore
remote shuttle
Does Blade buff sec tec (iirc doesn't)
hazy breach
It does
remote shuttle
Uh? Was fixed? Missed that
hazy breach
Yes in .1
tepid trellis
quite awhile ago
tepid trellis
like the 1st finishers after dances during blades?
should look something like this
remote shuttle
So... SD symbol backstab Blade+sectec shuriken and etc
mental dune
sorry but whats the talent interaction that makes it better to have sectec be better as first finisher during blades?
remote shuttle
Ofc hoc same time with blades
tepid trellis
sorry but whats the talent interaction that makes it better to have sectec be be...
the hero talent
remote shuttle
sorry but whats the talent interaction that makes it better to have sectec be be...
Hero tal
Flawless form buff stacks
tepid trellis
sectech lets you bypass the cooldown on unseen blade procs
for 2 stacks
and to get it on cd so you have it ready for the next dance, that you do back2back
essentially just this
mental dune
ahhhh ok
so im fine having like 3-ish seconds where im not in dance during my blade window?
generally after the first dance sectec still has 20 seconds left so ive been doing dance-backstab-evis-symbol-shadowstrike-evis-shadowstrike-sectec
just so dance is always active during cd window
hazy breach
No you should dance back-to-back
tepid trellis
the 2nd dance if you arent playing TFD, its gonna be around 18 sec or so
so you insta dance again
wait with symbols until sectech is at 10 or less
like this
mental dune
ok so what im doing is correct then?
this is mainly for raid specifically where tfd is run way less
lilac stag
You should run TFD on everything but gally
tribal blade
ok so what im doing is correct then?
this is mainly for raid specifically where...
yes what you described dancing back to back is correct
lilac stag
even on mugzee you have some down time and press storm so TFD will win out.
tepid trellis
you should not be pressing storm on mugzee
tepid trellis
why 2x backstab ?
dunno its not my log
mental dune
in mythic? i woulda imagined that when fights are 4-5 minutes tfd wont be better
lilac stag
TFD cut off is closer to 5 at current gear
tepid trellis
its around 4-5 where the breakpoint is depends a bit on gear
remote shuttle
With tfd u can fit 2x sectec in 12sec of ur 1st dance, and then insta dance again so ur clones end up hitting on ur 2nd dance
lilac stag
Mugs is only one slightly over
And you won’t have 100% uptime on WM which sucks so just pump the opener.
tepid trellis
even on mugzee you have some down time and press storm so TFD will win out.
we need to find out who does this
and have them publicly shamed
lilac stag
you can storm the army if bombs depending on strat outside of cds
Either or just run TFD
mental dune
so how do i play around that? just vanish n afk a few seconds before going into cds? (assuming at 1:30 or 3:00 in the fight)
or do i just not play around it n the first cd window is THAT much stronger with tfd
tepid trellis
it doesent reset
in raid (or boss fights in general)
you only get it for your first dance
lilac stag
TFD is very strong in comparison to all the other awful talent choices you have. That’s all there is to it.
tepid trellis
comparatively strong (cuz WM is dogshit)
lilac stag
It’s not amazing. Everything else is shit
I love this spec.
Can’t wait to relearn timings for reclear next week. 
runic trail
Gonna need to try out TFD then, just been running base weapon master spec
Hopefully it ain't gonna throw me off too much
mental dune
so to clarify
having dance up 100% during blades should be prioritized above having sectec be the first finisher after dance during cds?
short radish
i got a rank 12 bandit kill today
congratz dude but yeah posting in wrong channel
i'd be happy for you
wait no
lilac stag
so to clarify
having dance up 100% during blades should be prioritized above hav...
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
short radish
i am happy for you
keen dome
He's a purple assa rogue
lilac stag
Nah. He’s a boomer assa rogue. Just wants to be purple. The word betrayal was used.
tepid trellis
so to clarify
having dance up 100% during blades should be prioritized above hav...
it wont be your first finisher in the 2nd dance unless you run TFD, so yeah make sure you back2back dance
mental dune
ok perfect
lowkey kinda disappointing though
like im glad ive been doing it right but also im really trying to figure out where im missing out on damage
lilac stag
You can use !log
my guess is if you’re doing everything right you’re not add padding
on whatever flights still allow for it
or your kill times suck
runic trail
No room for ethical DPS 
mental dune
TRUEEE
my myth logs are kinda stinky but im pretty sure my uptime was just bad since i had never seen the fights before so i was just scrambling to not die
but yeah my assumption for heroic has just been that my kill times have been bad
just really wishing it wasnt that
lilac stag
it’s a nothing burger upgrade for assa and sub
mental dune
current fastest vexie kill for me is a 2:52
n i got a 92 on that
so i cant tell if thats a me issue or a group issue
(heroic)
lilac stag
Vex is is how well carts are stacked. Did you hit amp phase and adds
At least assuming add dmg still counts
I forget what vex looks like.
lilac stag
and yeah 3 min kill time is sloooooow
keen dome
huge part of it is stacking adds though
mental dune
i think she did die within 5 seconds of cd ending but someone whiffed a bike so it delayed it a boatload
other pain points have been cauldron which has been like 4 minute
and rik which was 3:30
im assuming for a really good rik kill it just kinda needs to die before intermission or else you lose half a mill?
rare shell
!wa
wicked joltBOT
keen dome
Boss in middle of the room? Haha nice blue parse
Ye, most pugs just yolo it now so parsing vexie is legit nightmarish lmao
Also hero on pull
My best was a 5.2m kill but I've yet to come close to that again because pugs are so chaotic
lilac stag
Nice 10% buff cope
I’m just glad we’re done. I think we’ve got 4 people to get ce in still
keen dome
Nice
runic trail
I’m just glad we’re done. I think we’ve got 4 people to get ce in still
We're reprogging mugzee tonight
tepid trellis
im prolly clearing on shaman this week
runic trail
With the people who are incapable of surviving intermission 
tepid trellis
need it ready for splits next tier
lilac stag
I fear reprogging bandit
runic trail
But yeah I wish we'd just do multiple reclears with one or two bench warmers in at a time instead of one big reclear with all of them at once
lilac stag
I think we’re doing 2 at a time. Not swapping out 20% of raid
runic trail
I think we’re doing 2 at a time. Not swapping out 20% of raid
We have all of them.
Every single one
It took 30 attempts to re-kill bandit
I don't wanna prog again man
lilac stag
Slam you head against mechanics with dps
tepid trellis
thats almost the same as my prog pulls
runic trail
Slam you head against mechanics with dps <:Pepegrin:1375228958282612797>
Pretty much
lilac stag
I don’t even remember what spec I was for bandit 
keen dome
outlaw
lilac stag
I think I went assa. We needed the execute
runic trail
But yeah even on bandit half of them just... Fuckin' died, so mugzee is gonna give me an aneurysm
tepid trellis
mug i feel like is easier now than bandit is
mental dune
im having opposite issue
going into mythic for the first time and trying real hard to not completely whiff my trial
doing the later bosses completely raw and having good enough damage is rough
was feeling totally lost
tepid trellis
bandit is just cringe
lilac stag
If we spend more than one night on reclear I’m going to combust
keen dome
That's mage talk
runic trail
mug i feel like is easier now than bandit is
I hope so, issue is we're going for 3 minute push AND we have the people in the raid who legit just... Can't survive intermission
tribal blade
mug i feel like is easier now than bandit is
you should see how much my raid team likes eating bombs
runic trail
We've had to tell the Ret Pala, 'yeah, you're bubbling here'
tepid trellis
I hope so, issue is we're going for 3 minute push AND we have the people in the ...
atleast you'll get to that point fast
so bunch of tries at not standing in lightning
tepid trellis
you should see how much my raid team likes eating bombs
they should download the "eyes" dlc
heard it works wonders on that mechanic
or get the stop sigh WA
tribal blade
haha i got the stop WA
tepid trellis
if you are too stupid to look yourself
runic trail
Sometimes the mines call to me
I grew up near a coal pit. I yearn for the mines
It's in my blood
lilac stag
I’m happy we’re reclearing, but my excitement for next tier is all time low.
tribal blade
reclearing mugzee didn't go so hot today
mental dune
is tuning that bad?
the raid itself looked pretty fun
lilac stag
rogue is literally playing the same
runic trail
reclearing mugzee didn't go so hot today
tepid trellis
reclearing mugzee didn't go so hot today
very rough
brittle plinth
Is there some sort of pvp flag bug? I got killed during a goblin spawn with warmode off.
runic trail
I see what awaits me tonight
tribal blade
very rough
reeee
runic trail
I just don't wanna prog again, I'm tired boss
tribal blade
granted we had a new tank in on the fight haha
a trial
and people swapping roles around
it was kinda chaos
tepid trellis
thats how long it took to reclear
tribal blade
thats how long it took to reclear
lilac stag
thats how long it took to reclear
Add 4 hours to that and it will be our first reclear
short radish
ran TFD on rik and ended 2nd dance with only 2 stacks of tier
then proceeded to get the lightning circle as soon as i popped flag
actually just wanted to wipe the raid
runic trail
Rik can just fuck off, the slam is a straight up 'fuck your cooldowns button'
runic trail
I miss evasioning it
tepid trellis
cant get mad at what you dont know
short radish
stop tracking your tier
how do i fix getting mechanics in cooldowns
runic trail
how do i fix getting mechanics in cooldowns
Hit cloak, pretend it bugged out
tepid trellis
dont press them until the mechanic has gone out?
tribal blade
ran TFD on rik and ended 2nd dance with only 2 stacks of tier
then proceeded to...
holy fucked rng
mental dune
a wise man once said
luck is a skill
lilac stag
not playing rogue is luck
runic trail
not playing rogue is luck
Too bad we're here forever
tepid trellis
im used to it
lilac stag
we’re all just too emotionally attached in an unhealthy Stockholm Syndrome kind of way.
runic trail
we’re all just too emotionally attached in an unhealthy Stockholm Syndrome kind ...
My rogue was my original character, he's my boy, I can't just leave him
short radish
not playing rogue is luck
true. we actually lost at the character creation screen
keen dome
rogue 4 life
runic trail
Also I gotta play the rogue through story quests etc. cos it's jarring going through it on a rat alt and everyone going 'oh it's the champion/saviour of azeroth'
And it's like fuck off this character hasn't done shit
mental dune
is the big issue with rogue right now just the mass of bugs + very needed QOL
like needing to stand behind boss/the way deathstalker mark functions/killing spree before ptr
i only started this season but the rotations themselves feel quite nice
haughty mural
You’ll get there eventually
warm marlin
every melee has to stand behind the boss fwiw
the bug notwithstanding
unless it’s a boss that can’t parry but this season most of the annoying ones to stand behind still can
runic trail
unless it’s a boss that can’t parry but this season most of the annoying ones to...
Bandit is a bastard for parrying
But I can't go behind him otherwise coins end up in weird places
warm marlin
I track the coin bait timer and dip back in front once I proc FW (or run out of time)
runic trail
I track the coin bait timer and dip back in front once I proc FW (or run out of ...
I don't trust myself enough for that
Safer to just be in the right bait position
hazy breach
every melee has to stand behind the boss fwiw
Not if you have a trickster rogue though
Then its only sub that needs to be behind
runic trail
Also aren't we just straight up not able to be behind next boss on dimensius?
vale pine
Then its only sub that needs to be behind <:garf:1320173032743899157>
you are more subtle if you are behind the enemy
jade oasis
My rogue was my original character, he's my boy, I can't just leave him
twinsies (i haven’t played rogue since wotlk)
i geniunely thought tricks still gave a buff
(it should)
wheat edge
Not if you have a trickster rogue though
The real rogue raid buff
short radish
purple are the big wigs in here though
wheat edge
i wonder how much the no parry sub buff
Its +1000% dps to my mood when envenoms arent getting parried cause theres a goated trickster in the raid aswell
short radish
you have 2 rogues in your guild 👀
wheat edge
Yeah
short radish
damn
runic trail
you have 2 rogues in your guild 👀
We have 2 but we both tend to play sin
But I'm breaking the pattern cos boy are we shit at killing adds sometimes
short radish
ecks dee
hollow spear
But I'm breaking the pattern cos boy are we shit at killing adds sometimes
Padding paradise
runic trail
Padding paradise
I don't wanna pad I just wanna... Not sit there hitting my head against a Rik like boss next tier
hollow spear
Playing sub won't solve that problem if your ranged dps are allergic to swapping to far adds
warm marlin
Not if you have a trickster rogue though
for the 20% of the time fazed isn’t up though!
hollow spear
If it wasn't for me or our WW, ranged dps would have been top melee add padders
runic trail
Playing sub won't solve that problem if your ranged dps are allergic to swapping...
I can at least try to help
That's all I can do
Rest of it is out of my hands
hollow spear
It's an uphill battle
lilac stag
me and the DH. Ranged add patrol. 🚨
tribal blade
i forgot to check, did we get any notes
or is that a really stupid question to ask
(it's a really stupid question to ask)
keen dome
What does your heart tell you
keen dome
👍
runic trail
It tells me notes are coming next week
hazy breach
i forgot to check, did we get any notes
There hasnt been a new build y et
So no, but neither did anybody else
tribal blade
i would be very surprised, but would be dope
vale pine
Only change I read about was the revert of the 90 sec cooldown resets
runic trail
Was that the one for classic?
vale pine
Yes
charred sandal
we’re all just too emotionally attached in an unhealthy Stockholm Syndrome kind ...
so real
idle aurora
Do yall blades before or after dance the rotation shows blades dance sec tec but when I dance blades sec tec my Window is higher on the LE tracker thing
charred sandal
both dance and blades are OGCDs u can do em at same time
idle aurora
Hrrm I should put dance and blades into my blade button just so I can react quicker maybe
hazy breach
Ideally you do dance > backstab > blades+sectech
charred sandal
ye u want to cover the sectech
haughty mural
me and the DH. Ranged add patrol. 🚨
Same
idle aurora
lol I hate that I can pull great numbers on dummies but in m+ where it counts and mob counts are higher get performance anxiety 😄
lilac stag
take a blue pill
charred sandal
lol I hate that I can pull great numbers on dummies but in m+ where it counts an...
build muscle memory with repetition of real encounters u either stop getting nervous or execute stuff instinctually without thinking about it
runic trail
lol I hate that I can pull great numbers on dummies but in m+ where it counts an...
It's fine, just gotta get the reps in really.
Can't expect to take a new spec into something and perform it perfectly, it takes time.
idle aurora
❤️ instead of dabbling I’m going full send sub for season 3 I really don’t care where it performs I should be able to do anything up to get a mix of 14/15 m+
oblique burrow
i'm subbing in case sub is best in raid or we need to kill adds fast
i'm ass rogue by heart and soul
idle aurora
lol I played ass for first time this season it was a load of fun. But my m+ group is giga cleave and we shred groups so fast they want me on prio dmg
Our boss fights are….long
runic trail
i'm subbing in case sub is best in raid or we need to kill adds fast
If you ain't playing RWF you don't need to care about what's best for raid
tribal blade
Our boss fights are….long
sin is both decent boss dam and amazing prio
idle aurora
I was playing bleed and it seemed like my boss dmg was PAINFUL
lilac stag
lol I played ass for first time this season it was a load of fun. But my m+ grou...
assa is better prio dmg
tribal blade
even with bleed build you should be doing decent prio
idle aurora
Uh oh time to check other peoples logs lol
tribal blade
but try the hybrid build, it's very high prio
lilac stag
it's just math lol
tribal blade
i sometimes end up doing 40-50% of the group's dmg to prio mobs
tribal blade
bleed doesn't have the crazy high prio from envenoms that hybrid has, but when you spread all your garrotes and ruptures and smack CT up you end up doing a lot from singular focus
idle aurora
My problem is on bosses I feel energy starved to keep everything running
lilac stag
you run bleed for dungeons where shit dies too fast
idle aurora
And I’m always below sanguine
tribal blade
bleed can be ok on boss dam, but it's awkward for sure
the hybrid build is a lot more consistent with doing decent ST
runic trail
you run bleed for dungeons where shit dies too fast
I run bleed because maximising demise damage is the only fun I get in m+
tribal blade
plus if you're playing with a group and running sin they should be pulling trash into bosses whereever possible
runic trail
Does this mean I throw unethical shivs? Yes, yes it does
tribal blade
because sin gains an enormous amount of boss dam from having more targets, similar to arcane
lilac stag
I run bleed because maximising demise damage is the only fun I get in m+
ez solution, just dont m+
runic trail
ez solution, just dont m+
Gotta do for raid things, though I'm capped out now so haven't done any since the turbo boost
idle aurora
Thanks guys before s3 imma practice hybrid build and not focus on staying above 150 energy on bosses and see what happens
tribal blade
teh hybrid build is more stressful because you don't have subterfuge for leeway
on getting your mark out
tribal blade
and only 6 seconds of IC to spread bleeds
idle aurora
Prophet which build should I play?
oblique burrow
If you ain't playing RWF you don't need to care about what's best for raid
RL said "either you learn or you get benched ^^'"
idle aurora
we are the car salemen that talk you out of a sale
Hahahahahahah realz
short radish
@warm marlin im embracing the afk downtime before flag. im probably doing it wrong but the burst just feels so fucking good
oblique burrow
he is trying to get to HOF
short radish
i dont care if it's bad
lilac stag
RL said "either you learn or you get benched ^^'"
find a new raid team
tribal blade
Prophet which build should I play?
i think you said you're doing 14-15s? bleed is probably fine for that
idle aurora
Yah
tribal blade
but you should give hybrid a try
idle aurora
Ty!
tribal blade
it's the melee arcane mage
lilac stag
its genrally good to know how to play all three specs
tribal blade
you can omega gap everyone on prio dam
lilac stag
but sub aint make or breaking your HOF push
oblique burrow
find a new raid team
i'll reclear with them, see how i feel about all of this
lilac stag
if anything assa did this tier with mugzee
oblique burrow
its genrally good to know how to play all three specs
My thought exactly,
oblique burrow
if anything assa did this tier with mugzee
it seems like they will be lots of enrage next tier, we'll see how assa goes with execute dmg
tribal blade
it's why sin is one of the most successful melee specs in the game atm
you're doing really high prio while maintaining high aoe
the dmg profile is extremely good
lilac stag
try hards gonna try hard looks at @tribal blade but you do you
tribal blade
try hards gonna try hard *looks at <@146180393941336064>* but you do you
heehee
runic trail
RL said "either you learn or you get benched ^^'"
What WR are you? You're similar to my guild, like 1300-1500 or so right?
lilac stag
it's not like you were trying to bring in an aug one trick over a dev
rogue the upper lower third of dps mediocrity
oblique burrow
What WR are you? You're similar to my guild, like 1300-1500 or so right?
guild have been created since 2months ago, so we'll see
lilac stag
hahah glhf
oblique burrow
Yeah, if it doesnt click, i'm fine with trying a new guild, still got time to apply
runic trail
But yeah at that level you can make any spec work so forcing off specs is... Not the issue
lilac stag
i'd start looking now for a side chick
runic trail
I'm learning sub mostly to be helpful, not out of being forced.
oblique burrow
Like i said, if it doesnt click, lots of guilds need rogues lol
lilac stag
i mean you were trying to avoid raiding and yet here you are
runic trail
i mean you were trying to avoid raiding and yet here you are
I wanna avoid mugzee reclear, raiding in general is fun
I'm in prog burnout mode right now
Mostly cos we went straight from queen prog into undermine
lilac stag
your RL is a dumbass swapping out 25% of your raid
lilac stag
gl
runic trail
your RL is a dumbass swapping out 25% of your raid
It be how it be but we'll make it work
lilac stag
waits for that to get c/p into guild discord
lilac stag
It be how it be but we'll make it work
how many pulls did you end up on Gally?
oblique burrow
how many pulls did you end up on Gally?
Do you raid or not at all
oblique burrow
Noice
runic trail
how many pulls did you end up on Gally?
Like.... 120? I forget
oblique burrow
same and i'm 26 lol
lilac stag
Like.... 120? I forget
ok so about the same. maybe it was mugz you were high on
oblique burrow
is mugz that annoying to reclear ?
lilac stag
yes, with new people especially
oblique burrow
Why ?
runic trail
ok so about the same. maybe it was mugz you were high on
Mugz was only 131, we had weak healers start of the season that made life hard
200 pulls sprocket though
oblique burrow
i hope i get good parses on reclear
lilac stag
ah sprocket was the one I was thinking of
runic trail
oblique burrow
so i can show what i'm made of 😄
runic trail
But yeah my guild are chill and like, I'm also bad at this game, so it's a good fit
Despite the pull counts
runic trail
can i see your warcraft logs mate? kinda curious
Like, 75 average mythic, not great
oblique burrow
75 is great
runic trail
I just have a tendency to panic mid pull and do stupid shit
oblique burrow
especially end of season
swift tinsel
Sprocket was where we ended lol
lilac stag
our final 4
oblique burrow
my previous guild is still progressing on sprocket
oblique burrow
our final 4
damn you're clicking
tribal blade
Like, 75 average mythic, not great
that's pretty good
oblique burrow
maybe its imposter syndrome
swift tinsel
we usually end up 3-4 mythic bosses in by the time we call it for the season
toying with the idea of pushing for more with a diff guild if we get walled hard
runic trail
our final 4
Apart from our sprocket we weren't too far off.
But yeah I can do alright but a) I have a tendency to panic and b) I am shit at adapting to when things go awry so like, not the best.
lilac stag
we ended like 1800 wr. i think we could have done better but had a couple roster emergencies that set us back a little. bound to happen in a part time casual guild though
swift tinsel
how late in the evening do your guys' raids usually go?
lilac stag
we start at 8 central, usually pull by 8:15. done by 11
runic trail
how late in the evening do your guys' raids usually go?
7-10 UK time
lilac stag
add in a 15 min break and it's basically 2.5 hours a night
swift tinsel
ah nice, yeah that's usually when we wrap up too but start at 9pm CST
about 2/3 of the guild is on the west coast so it's centered around their schedules
lilac stag
we swapped tanks on Sproken
so that was a bit of a setback. then we had one night both tanks were basically at the ER
swift tinsel
I think sprocken was where our roster rotation really bit us in the ass bc it was hard to get people on the same page if groups were changing up all the time. I watched a few of the prog nights and it looked like a mess
plus there were issues with whatever weakaura pack they were using
runic trail
Weakaura issues took up like 30 minutes a night on sprocket and stix
swift tinsel
our guild has to lean on them a bit heavier which is what it is
lilac stag
yeah thats basically built in
we swapped over to the Liquid setup and their patreon. cleared WA issues up
so worth it
swift tinsel
that's another reason why I'm toying with the idea of a different raiding guild that's a bit more mechanically reliable
runic trail
we swapped over to the Liquid setup and their patreon. cleared WA issues up
What do you get from the patreon v the free version?
swift tinsel
had to spend an hour on vexxie week 2 bc people couldn't manage to ride bikes or place/clear oil
after oneshotting it our first attempt the week prior
oblique burrow
Damn that hurts
swift tinsel
There were a few nights like that, with those issues on Vexxie, shit bomb/beam handling on Cauldron, Rik barrels/mc's in intermission
lilac stag
What do you get from the patreon v the free version?
you can force syncs between all raid members, you get their TL mapper
very easy to see who isn't up to date
runic trail
you can force syncs between all raid members, you get their TL mapper
And just one person needs to be subbed?
lilac stag
you sub the guild basically
swift tinsel
ended up benching myself maybe a month and a half into mythic prog because I was getting too annoyed
runic trail
you sub the guild basically
Right, may need to speak to RL about that
lilac stag
you can pull from your MRT note
so I went and found a setup that was send on pull and adjusted for later add sets because that's what we needed. our on pull adds were obliterated and made no sense holding
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992> im embracing the afk downtime before flag. im probably doi...
you definitely want to be backstabbing at full cp not full afk like I was 
but yeah the burst goes hard
warm marlin
illegal
lilac stag
you say that, but do you really mean it?
warm marlin
next week i wont
Lock in
runic trail
what is that coup
Sometimes you just hit buttons it's fine
warm marlin
10 lashings if I see another coup like that
short radish
you say that, but do you really mean it?
honestly i might acutally play my ret paladin to get some gear for it before next season
gotta prep the alts for ~~splits ~~ sales
lilac stag
i think i'ma level the DH for kyveza spec
perma rogue since we can never find another
jade urchin
perma rogue since we can never find another
i felt that
runic trail
perma rogue since we can never find another
Other rogue just left my guild so I am now the one and only
lilac stag
like just now?
runic trail
I have asserted dominance.
runic trail
like just now?
Last hour or so apparently
jade urchin
ive been the only rogue since amirdrassil
swift tinsel
if I don't play one we don't have one lol
lilac stag
we had two briefly, so then I ended up on warrior since we didnt have that. he went to warrior since that was his old main
swift tinsel
I think the last time we had two was amirdrassil
and I think that was the only tier we had two lol
lilac stag
our dh, dk and me are perma melee core
swift tinsel
at least since I've been raiding with them
I typically am except for season 1 where we had no mage so I swapped
learned quick I dislike ranged
hazy breach
Yeeee casting stinks
swift tinsel
its fine to fuck around on here and there
but yeah I'm not a caster main by any stretch of the imagination
hazy breach
Feels so empty standing out in ranged with nothing happening
swift tinsel
plus doing any open world stuff as mage sucks
its like rogue
plus their positioning is so easy and boring to solve
sometimes you step to the left or right
woo thrilling
unless you're playing priest or evoker and you can grip/rescue people to fuck with them
lilac stag
id enjoy running SV, until I needed to swap to the other two shitters
swift tinsel
I'm trying to settle on what I want to play in keys as an alt, leaning towards havoc or fdk
warm marlin
I like mage and spriest
swift tinsel
I played a bit of spriest in s3/s4 df and it was great
warm marlin
Been alting arcane recently and it’s been more fun than expected
swift tinsel
its the best mage spec so I get it
warm marlin
I played mage in cata classic too
warm marlin
fire mage in cata is 💯
swift tinsel
because old combust was awesome
warm marlin
yeah
warm marlin
We omega pulled a bazillion mobs in some dungeon power levelling a homie and I hit like 500k dps at 350 ilvl
warm marlin
Uncapped aoe
swift tinsel
imagine a world lol
maybe I try feral on ptr after work
been a few minutes since I played it
hazy breach
Uncapped aoe <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
🤓 aschually its capped at 20 🤓
Think its might actually even be at 10 before mop
runic trail
maybe I try feral on ptr after work
Feral is pretty fun
warm marlin
🤓 aschually its capped at 20 🤓
Cata fire was true uncapped
Insane broken
You spread an omega dot to all targets near your prio one
hazy breach
Convoke is stinky, but besides that feral is real fun
hazy breach
Cata fire was true uncapped
Ah
swift tinsel
our old feral main had a weakaura that would 'grade' your convoke
and would /s
best was 'uninstall'
lilac stag
now you could do /s try turning on the 1-button rotation
swift tinsel
I wish you could import pictures of your own cat to add as a feral skin
I wanna play as my fat orange cat
candid mural
No new ptr build this week?
hazy breach
our old feral main had a weakaura that would 'grade' your convoke
Convoke still does good damage, its just intrusive to the rotation and doesnt feel great imo
Feral feels great outside of its 2 min cds and kinda ass inside it 
swift tinsel
yeah that's kinda how it felt when I played it in SL too
hazy breach
The opposite of sub
swift tinsel
I liked the bee builds way better
sullen hare
best was 'uninstall'
our moonkin also uses that stupid shit, but he also uses a ton of other shitty spammy weak auras. I used to have him on ignore because certain things would literally fill the chat box
swift tinsel
I don't mind them if they aren't spammy but the minute they are homie gets muted lol
vale pine
best was 'uninstall'
lol
runic trail
Feral feels great outside of its 2 min cds and kinda ass inside it <a:KEKWBASS:7...
Going ham with ravages is fun at least.
Never ending bites
idle aurora
lol I should suprise my guild by rolling into s3 as a feral Druid and explain I am now a bite rogue
swift tinsel
feral is often unironically solid in raid lol
idle aurora
Their rotation doesn’t seem entirely awful something hasn’t clicked with me yet I am not sure which buttons I need to remove lol
The single target builders and spenders vs ape builders spenders that are the same function break my brain with button bloat
swift tinsel
iirc the single target was just snapshot rip with bloodtalons and tiger's fury, snapshot rake with sudden ambush and tiger's fury, bite
replace rip with primal wrath in aoe
wicked urchin
Planning on doing some guild searching for next tier
swift tinsel
best of luck
wicked urchin
If I need to pick up an alt what would be a good choice coming from rogue?
swift tinsel
what do you like about rogue
if you want similar resource style feral or windwalker is pretty much exactly the same as energy/cp
with similar mobility
vagrant fulcrum
If I need to pick up an alt what would be a good choice coming from rogue?
maybe a weird reccomendation but consider hunter, it's got ranged options and is most similar ranged dps to rogue tbh
swift tinsel
do you want to stick with melee?
anecdotally sub rogues/rogues often end up playing arms warrior for some reason lol
wicked urchin
Melee ideally yeah
bleak night
ww is green sub
swift tinsel
if you have alts ready you can always hop on ptr and give them a shot to see what you might like going into next season
wicked urchin
no alts unfortunately, been a rogue otp since i remember
i have like, a level 72 ret pally lmao
swift tinsel
windwalker also has the mastery minigame which is pretty fun
I have problems with alts, I think I've had every class at max level since legion?
it is helpful though knowing other classes/specs' kits
bleak night
yeah
i make it a point to know other specs kits so i can more accurately flame them for playing poorly
swift tinsel
i make it a point to know other specs kits so i can more accurately flame them f...
mostly this lmao
vale pine
if you want similar resource style feral or windwalker is pretty much exactly th...
makes sense, ww seems to me heavily inspired by rogue
swift tinsel
for sure, I can absolutely see the crossover design-wise
if I do play mop classic I'd roll windwalker because they were very quirky at the outset
no autoattacking
had to Jab lol
plus old Tigereye Brew mastery was really cool
sniping with spinning fire blossom was super fun in pvp too
idle aurora
if you want similar resource style feral or windwalker is pretty much exactly th...
Windwalker has one of the if not the most satisfying rotation in game and also one of the best damage abilities in that it runs on two charges so you get flexibility on its mini burst
It’s like a rhythm game.
swift tinsel
I've always been a fan of it, it just seems to flow very well
idle aurora
Flying dragon punch can eff off tho
idle aurora
As far as pure feels good rotations if you are alting away from rogue. Marksman.(energy) WW(energy combo), arms warrior just for how smooth and deliberate and satisfying the big hits and cleave is
wicked urchin
It’s like a rhythm game.
8 years of rhythm games about to pay off
idle aurora
If you can memorize the 8 if then statements that make up arcane barrage and all the rotation nuances arcane is like watching a light show at a rave and feels extremely fun but is like the sub rogue of mage
Very hard to casually alt imo
idle aurora
8 years of rhythm games about to pay off
You will love it
warm marlin
all the big wa packs for arcane seem to have the hekili lite barrage helper thing
idle aurora
I am trying to not use poroms barrage helper and learn it cause when blizzard pulls the hooks it’s probably best to understand the rotation in full
There is a dude from liquid I think who has like a 2 hour you tube video where he trains a complete newbie from spell one on the dummies I highly recommend
warm marlin
I watched hopefuls video and it is very good
idle aurora
That’s it!!!!
It’s probably the best class explanation video I have seen in 20 years of playing wow
warm marlin
I don’t think I’ll need the helper for too much longer after the video, I can recognize most of the conditions on my own at this point
swift tinsel
I made my own version and just putting it together helped understand the conditions
where I don't even look or think about it
idle aurora
I have horrible adhd and learning complex things via reading a guide is painful for me. So I been very slowly going through the video it will still take me forever. Oohh id love to see that lol
swift tinsel
it was originally built for sunfury but the current iteration of arcane isn't really too complicated coming from that
wicked urchin
@warm marlin i keep having giga pulls on gally but we're struggling with reclear this week because two of our healers are out
and no warrior
and its making me so sad
warm marlin
at least you’re clearing this week
No warrior is omega cursed though
I will probably lose my all star rank being out for 3% week but it is okay
wicked urchin
almost 4.7m coming out of the first intermission add set with no warrior is so depressing
(and then wiping)
next week surely
wicked urchin
at least you’re clearing this week <:garf:1320173032743899157>
you guys breaking for the tier or just an off week?
warm marlin
I am on vacation
Poor guild members got absolutely slaughtered on reclear without me
wicked urchin
rogues holding the guild together 🫡
warm marlin
Coincidence ofc but funny to sit out a week and watch a 3 hour slugfest for 6/8 after full clearing in 90mins for weeks
patent lichen
Rogue buff confirmed op
fleet wharf
damn that 3.6% dam reduction carrying you guys
wicked urchin
rogue hidden morale buff confirmed
swift tinsel
Bingus buff OP
warm marlin
Rogue buff confirmed op
so true
wicked urchin
im curious what my logs would be like in a stronger guild
swift tinsel
inc 5% nerf
I think about that too sometimes
I know mine get scuffed trying to do on-the-fly fixing for one reason or another
warm marlin
You can get a bit of an idea by truncating kill times lower
chrome palm
you dont know what 3 weeks in a parition without full clearing does to a man
warm marlin
swift tinsel
Siegward ❤️
warm marlin
you dont know what 3 weeks in a parition without full clearing does to a man
isn’t your guild like near same wr as ours
u guys just not reclear enjoyers?
chrome palm
yeah its currently no full clear without full clear buyers
swift tinsel
3559 WR baby 
chrome palm
have sales slowed down for you too
warm marlin
mmm a little bit
Mostly the cuts
well way a bit cut wise since first ones ofc
we still have had a buyer for most bosses last month though
swift tinsel
how much is it for a single boss kill?
warm marlin
I just show up and hit the mobs
swift tinsel
based
warm marlin
I know gallywix was like 6 million a month ago though
We got 1.1mil cuts for our first sale after prog
Now it’s like 300k for 8/8
chrome palm
we had a lot of people go on vacation after tier so we were a little late to start sales
gold is kinda useless though
i just hope BoEs arent fucked up like this tier again
unobtainium
swift tinsel
there's a leather chest that's actually good in the next one
warm marlin
we had a lot of people go on vacation after tier so we were a little late to sta...
I think like half of our total was the first 2 weeks
swift tinsel
likely going shoulders offpiece tho
at least that's been how sims have been shaping up for me so far
chrome palm
theres really good shoulders from early in the raid
swift tinsel
yeah
chrome palm
also 2nd boss dagger is nice
chrome palm
it would be cool to see a cantrip dagger at some point
warm marlin
shoulders and mast vers dagger from same early boss 
chrome palm
but that would require blizzard thinking about yellow class for more than 15 seconds
is it a fist weapon again
or is it just the int 2-piece weapons
and no other cantrips
chrome palm
at least there is more than 1 good trinket this time
swift tinsel
pretty sure we get most if not all of our gear pre-Dimensius
chrome palm
and probable bis is limited to agi/str
warm marlin
ye prism should be relatively easy to secure
we talked about it a bit recently but sub should be one of the only contenders
pending tuning obv
chrome palm
FDK in my guild didnt seem to think it was good
swift tinsel
I didn't realize it wasn't open to all main stats
chrome palm
its not
swift tinsel
a lot of people are hating on it bc no opening burst
chrome palm
its just agi/str i think
swift tinsel
I think so yeah
chrome palm
dont think int can use
chrome palm
inb4 int rolling on it for dam proc 🌚
swift tinsel
lmao I can see it
warm marlin
No int rolling on it, no 2 min specs really rolling on it since the 2min trinket is really highly tuned, no haste specs really rolling it since you don’t have it for lust pull
swift tinsel
Yeah we're kinda primed for it which is cool
chrome palm
and most importantly, no transmitter this time around
so we actually have an upgrade
swift tinsel
and we have a few good options for 2nd trinket so we aren't completely hamstrung
warm marlin
Prism is so much better than hoc lol
swift tinsel
Yeah I'm excited to get something I actively can play around lol
chrome palm
prism should mean we get to stack more mastery no?
warm marlin
Ye
chrome palm
that is also really nice
swift tinsel
And we get a ton of mastery/vers gear
warm marlin
The ring situation is a bit cooked
chrome palm
i saw that
warm marlin
The only vers mast ring is from dawnbreaker
swift tinsel
that was the only thing I saw as being contentious but crafting exists
chrome palm
but since we have artifact cloak and artifact cloak boots
swift tinsel
Isn't there a 2nd from priory
chrome palm
ring craft looks almost certain
swift tinsel
or was that vers/crit
warm marlin
Isn't there a 2nd from priory
Yes, but the neck from raid is super mastery heavy
hazy breach
The only vers mast ring is from dawnbreaker
Priory has one too
warm marlin
I don’t think you’ll end up playing the priory one
warm marlin
There’s like no vers heavy jewelry
chrome palm
they hate vers for some reason
warm marlin
The priory one is mostly mast, so not as good as db one
chrome palm
unfort that we have to craft jewelry then because i am a duskthread enjoyer
duskthread truther until i die
i like ascension too
i imagine we craft dagger again
warm marlin
the first week I swapped to duskthread this tier we cut a healer from like every fight and proceeded to fuck up every mechanic so I was perma low hp
warm marlin
Toys hitting during cauldron intermission, double rik towers going off, bomb going off on sprocket 💀
Does ilvl change the embellishment math much @hazy breach
tepid trellis
no
tepid trellis
iirc focusing lense scales very very slightly
but its so little that its irellevant
hazy breach
Ye very slightly, the others dont scale at all
So next tier embellishments are completely irrelevant pretty much
bleak night
hell yeah
vale pine
embellishments are basically very weak this xpac, and this stays true for the entire time
chrome palm
should probably just remove them from the game
vale pine
you can go without them, and it won't make a big diffrence
warm marlin
I just don’t like lens since it doesn’t scale with targets
chrome palm
im going ascension so i can feel like the time i spent thinking about embellishments made a tangible impact
vale pine
think of it like this
players in the wfr did not care that much about embellishments, so you probably shouldn't later when content is relatively seen easier
chrome palm
iirc echos rogue was using 1 embellishment for a bit, dropping the 636 item in favor of something higher ilvl probably for stamina alone i imaigne
before they gave everyone the extra spark
swift tinsel
I'll probably toss lens into whatever I end up crafting just bc
pretty sure that's what I did last season
alpine wraith
you will see lens quite a bit it is one you can craft on weapons
same as darkmoon ascension
swift tinsel
we're essentially locked out of cloak and boot slots for crafting this tier
shrewd lantern
yeah
swift tinsel
so that limits it a bit too
shrewd lantern
no blessed weapon grip copium
sullen hare
I'll probably toss lens into whatever I end up crafting just bc
this is also my take
swift tinsel
I need to start a campaign to discourage our windwalkers and warriors from rolling for netherprism
wow english is hard today
jaunty heath
hi guys, how is sub looking on the ptr?
swift tinsel
subtle
sullen hare
very purple
swift tinsel
its very similar to live
don't have to worry about winning streak dropping so that's a plus
other than that, slightly more cdr
both sets are pretty meh in aoe
DS sucks as usual
(good don't make us play it plz)
vestal escarp
about time i guess?
lilac stag
who is good ?
not rogue
vale pine
hi guys, how is sub looking on the ptr?
fun, you should play it
jaunty heath
im a sub truthr
charred sandal
very 
runic trail
Start mugzee re-prog, tell some of the mine-prone people 'please step back when mines spawn', immediately after they spawn one of them dies
Gonna be a long fuckin' night
wild hornet
im trying to pad on the gally p2 adds but tank doesnt pull boss close to melee movement part
so i have to risk dying for pad
haughty mural
you live by the pad, you die by the pad
uneven shard
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
coarse stratus
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patent lichen
Buffa today! Who's ready
?
vivid trail
Do people just hate rogues? I'm having a really tough time trying to get into 13+ keys at 670+
vivid trail
I made it 2 weeks ago tbf
swift tinsel
yeah gonna be tough when everyone else is like 680+
vivid trail
I cant get 680
vivid trail
lilac stag
also no one wants sub. Play assa if you want easier invites
hexed sluice
Basically stuck doing gilded crest farming to just get 681
stone perch
What does people run in the belt this week? been trying out some different ones but dont really know what's best
lilac stag
Crit
sullen hare
Crit is pretty much all you run after the nerf
lilac stag
But you can sim it
stone perch
cheers
steel zinc
What does people run in the belt this week? been trying out some different ones ...
Crit but you can also run versa or mastery
all very close
charred flicker
!WA
wicked joltBOT
charred flicker
Anyone know what this person is using for the HOLD CD alert?
tepid trellis
prolly just timeline reminders
swift tinsel
okay operation Gaslight My Guild into Giving Me Netherprism is working
I'm making it sound like the worst trinket for every spec that isn't sub
bleak night
oh good idea
swift tinsel
"it's only worth it if you can make it work by using it at 25-30sec into a fight otherwise you're kinda screwed"
bleak night
hollow spear
I wonder if it was an option to make ub a buff that stacks up to 4 that you can then consume to stack eb
Or if that gave you too much control / made the spec feel weird to play
swift tinsel
swift tinsel
Yeehaw
frail skiff
getting this mastery/vers
swift tinsel
frail skiff
is there anything better?
swift tinsel
Crafting a mainhand wep is best if you don’t have a 680+ one
alpine wraith
any day now
chrome palm
Then edt, then cest
bleak night
east coast now practices daylight savings time but west coast does not
frail skiff
idk lens looks cooler
chrome palm
Lens shoots a thingy