They're the flipside of the Demon Hunters
#subtlety
fervent elm
yeah that too
swift tinsel
opal basalt
making cloaks like these seems hard in wow tho
keen dome
Ye, impossible really
fervent elm
the helm in the trading post set is off and the chestpiece and they added lights to the shoulders for some reason
and thats just the half of it
keen dome
Specially constructed for the night elves' wardens, these green velvet cloaks bear a fringe of deadly, razor-sharp blades along the hem, resembling the wings of an owl. Wardens learn to shift and swing the cloak dramatically, presenting the blade fringes to anyone who might get too close. The cloak is both a defensive measure against sneak attacks and a potent weapon for the warden when surrounded by enemies. It also provides numerous knife blades for the warden to use with her slicing torrent ability
From the RPG blurb, so not canon anymore but it's still cool
Kaldorei Batman class
Also, Maiev got so fucking buff as a Warden
fervent elm
yeah so if they added a warden class or even a spec i'd switch mains
but they'd have to not screw it up
bleak night
Shoulders twice as broad
fervent elm
well i would imagine it comes with the job
bleak night
Juiced
keen dome
Although Maiev does appear to be sharpening a gigantic spear in that image sO I guess it tracks
bleak night
Not natty for sure
fervent elm
eh no shot that spear is as heavy as Warden Chakrams
keen dome
They have that two-handed glavie chakram but we've never got it.
Also the only way the full outfit can work in-game as a bespoke model
swift tinsel
keen dome
Oooh, good catch
opal basalt
i actually didnt know maiev was anything before being her TBC model
keen dome
When WoW goes metal as hell, it rules. I love the Warden'sbecause they're such a "rule of cool" style thing.
keen dome
i actually didnt know maiev was anything before being her TBC model
She actually has a model out of her armour in Legion!
swift tinsel
oh yeah don't you free her from the catacombs
fervent elm
we should have kept her armor for ourselves smh
keen dome
Something confusing is she doesn't have her markings in the priestess image but she has the blades there.
swift tinsel
as part of the illidan campaign thing
keen dome
although maybe it's pre-sundering I dunno
swift tinsel
or is it one of the artifact quests
keen dome
I don't remember if Kaldorei did markings pre-sundering
I imagine they could make Warden's work as a Night Elf only class, but that in of itself is a design issue.
swift tinsel
they have it for dh's already
fervent elm
well ya know they did it in vanilla
keen dome
So the Horde counterpart should be Vol'jin's class
fervent elm
20 odd years ago
keen dome
Ye.
keen dome
they have it for dh's already
Ye but Belves. Belves can't be Wardens
swift tinsel
ah true
keen dome
Warden's, Vol'jin's weird Shadow Hunter class, and Sylvanas's class are the three off the top of my head we've never had (and probably won't)
fervent elm
They could always write "oh yeah and since the wardens were desperate they started recruiting blood elves"
swift tinsel
I mean everyone is nelf for meld anyways
opal basalt
wow is not enough of an rpg anymore for faction-locked classes
keen dome
They could always write "oh yeah and since the wardens were desperate they start...
Ye, absolutely
keen dome
wow is not enough of an rpg anymore for faction-locked classes
100% agreed
keen dome
I'm on the bard train if it's a rogue spec
fervent elm
they could always just remove factions im just saying then it being only night elves not a problem
opal basalt
i wish they'd do more support specs instead of just nerfing aug into unplayability
keen dome
I don't know if tinker will ever happen because it's now such a 'thing' that nothing would be right
opal basalt
i really don't have any problem with the archetype
it's just dont lock it behind one class
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
I feel like bard kinda falls into that too
too much self-injected fantasy for blizz to make it acceptable enough
keen dome
DH suppot spc built around ripping souls out of enemies, etc. Rogue bard which buffs and annoys with song and dance.
opal basalt
warrior shout spec
keen dome
YES
swift tinsel
if Bard isn't Scanlan its a miss
runic trail
warrior shout spec
death metal bard spec
keen dome
Warrior should have a Bloodlust and a res, prove me wrong
fervent elm
they could always just make warden only night elves and i mean so many things are cross faction these days anyway
keen dome
(Also tanks should have a bloodlust honestly, from a design perspective)
keen dome
but also: warior shouting BIG LOUD and you get PUMPED. or shouting at a dead person "GET UP"
swift tinsel
better than any other class
closest they got was Banner years and years ago
for the crit damage %
keen dome
"Stop being dead" I shout at the guy on fire on the floor and he does.
opal basalt
closest they got was Banner years and years ago
MoP is relaunching soon
maybe banner is liked so much they bring it back
keen dome
Give every healer a combat res and every tank a lust and blammo you've solved a major comp issue
fervent elm
well that's already the case yeah
keen dome
Sure, I think that's a fair point but you don't have to take them away from ther classes
I just think every healer should have one.
swift tinsel
honestly removing some of the utility from prot paladin/vdh in favor of lust for all tanks would be a move I'd support
keen dome
But tanks having Lust makes a lot of sense to me.
opal basalt
But tanks having Lust makes a lot of sense to me.
that for sure
runic trail
But tanks having Lust makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah, tanks kind of control the tempo of a key so, it'd work out
swift tinsel
was having this discussion in guild yesterday
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
plus you ask your tank when they want it lol
keen dome
Yeah
swift tinsel
so just let them choose when they press their own button
keen dome
Amount of times I run with a very good tank and the shammie or mage doesn't lust and we just groan
keen dome
Haha yeah
But in those situations I just assume they pushed it by accident
After being asked dozens of time "hero please" and then they push it randomly
fervent elm
i actually unbound my timewarp as mage so now i have to click it
never use it by accident
keen dome
Smart
swift tinsel
on pull during first boss Mists 
keen dome
On the trash before the stealth bit after second boss of Workshop.
swift tinsel
I have lust on f4 so I gotta go a little out of my way to get it
should have a Captcha on it just in case tho
fervent elm
f4 is usually my mount
or smokebomb if im playing rogue in pvp
swift tinsel
"which of these pictures have stairs"
fervent elm
my kick is f1
runic trail
should have a Captcha on it just in case tho
just tie it to the transmitter minigame
swift tinsel
I used to have f3/f4 be ground and flying mounts but now I lean on Opie too much lol
fervent elm
bind lust to alt 6
bleak night
Opie is fantastic, though it likes to randomly break horrifically
swift tinsel
Opie bricks my other addons more than any other I swear
bleak night
Like making the game completely unplayable levels of breaking
I still use it for mounts and hearthstones tho
swift tinsel
I click my hearthstone lol
keen dome
Opie is functionality blizz should bake into the game
keen dome
You know what racial change owns? Human double hearth charge
opal basalt
wait what?
does my hearth just not go on CD or sth?
my rogue is human and i haven't paid attention to that
keen dome
Yeah you have two charges
opal basalt
interesting
swift tinsel
big W
keen dome
It was when they got rid of Diplomacy. We got an extra Hearth charge
ornate quest
Human gets 2 charges?? That seems a bit motivated.
keen dome
Which is pretty nice
opal basalt
It was when they got rid of Diplomacy. We got an extra Hearth charge
sweet
the rogue was made as goblin first for a all-goblin raid event
but i cba'd playing goblin again
keen dome
Haha, that sounds rad though
opal basalt
and haven't played human in ages
so i just racechanged it to human after we cleared heroic lou
ornate quest
I play undead cause wotf is the best
runic trail
Okay, time to play the game of 'practice cooldown rotation on a target dummy until it clicks'
opal basalt
i was leaning towards just going for the fotm race
keen dome
Okay, time to play the game of 'practice cooldown rotation on a target dummy unt...
Hell yeah, you've got this muscle memory challenge
opal basalt
but my monk is maghar already
runic trail
Hell yeah, you've got this muscle memory challenge
It ain't clicking yet but I'll get there
opal basalt
i'm still lost on when i'll do the second dance + symbols exactly tbf
hekili starts getting on my nerves tho
swift tinsel
2nd dance is right after the first during blades
and symbols is when sectech has ~10sec left on cd
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
swift tinsel
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
opal basalt
i mean hekili is doing exactly that
but i feel like i'm losing a gcd with reacting to it
runic trail
I'm tempted to install hekili just to get some muscle memory in
opal basalt
so yeah i wanna get rid of it
runic trail
I have the wowhead guide on the second monitor
keen dome
Ye. It's just getting the vibe down.
runic trail
But unfamiliarty is messing me up right now
swift tinsel
if you're having trouble getting the 2nd to cast right when the 1st ends
opal basalt
hekili is good i'm gonna be honest, but i don't wanna rely on it anymore
keen dome
I have a specifc WA that has a bar, when it vanishes from my screen I immediately dance again during my burst. It helps a lot.
runic trail
At the moment its just, because I'm thinking about what i need to hit, I'm then missing some uptimes in the cooldown window, like mark/second SD etc
But that'll come with time
opal basalt
it even tries to not use up a Coup when you got CDs coming up
swift tinsel
I think my Dance aura/cd has a glow when blades is up and dance isn't from when I first was learning sub back when
runic trail
But I think I know it in theory now, just gotta translate that into game, I'll get there.
swift tinsel
yeah just keep at it and it'll all fall into place
runic trail
Now I just need the game to give me a way to reset my cooldowns post-opener on the dummies.
keen dome
urgh, yes
swift tinsel
that'd be super nice, if they had a Testing Grounds type instance
keen dome
Yeah
swift tinsel
and could spawn X number of dummies
runic trail
Yeah, just give me an NPC who goes, 'yo, you wanna reset cooldowns'
keen dome
China had that special room for DPS testing. Give us that!
runic trail
Though knowing Blizz, it'd only reset the 2 min and above ones 
swift tinsel
and can give you buffs that only last when you're in it
so I don't need to park a shaman alt at the Org dummy when I wanna test stuff
opal basalt
fully raidbuffed rotation testing
swift tinsel
for something like Skyfury with its tangible effect on our gameplay
it makes a big difference practicing with and without it
OR ADD SCROLLS
AHEM
keen dome
It'd also be useful because it'd be a closed enviroment. In an instance.
So less chance for some weird ass world script to mess with you
(And more chance for smoe weird ass instance script but still)
swift tinsel
plus the follower dungeon shaman doesn't cast skyfury
keen dome
At least that's real behaviour
keen dome
I joined a quick Stix kill last night and the FOUR SHAMANS in the group never pushed skyfury until like, the boss was aroudn 40%
swift tinsel
bleak night
My favorite is 11 people with lust all not pressing it on pull
Then someone pressing it 3:21 into the fight or some random shit
keen dome
Espescially after you've said, multiple times, we'll lust on pull. And they have done the fight multiple times.
bleak night
Like not even aligned with their own cds
keen dome
The 'ol panic lust
swift tinsel
That’s what I liked about playing arcane in s1
I knew when lust was coming bc I was him
runic trail
Also, isn't there weird scaling in open world sort of? Or am I imagining that.
bleak night
I hate having lust because I never know when to press it in dungeons
And I'll be damned if I ask the tank
swift tinsel
I just asked the tank or sent on first pull if it wasn’t a lil baby pull
runic trail
My favorite is 11 people with lust all not pressing it on pull
The guilds drunk social raid has the opposite problem. Boss where we don't lust on pull, some fucker will lust. Every time.
Next boss, nobody lusts
keen dome
Also, isn't there weird scaling in open world sort of? Or am I imagining that.
Probably
runic trail
In their defence, they are usually drunk.
hazy breach
Playing sub is a vibe though, you never really bother holding stuff for lust or think about it
Just send your shit, if people lust or not, who cares bro
swift tinsel
Just line it up when you need to or just send when you want to
runic trail
Also huh, need to get used to second shadow dance a bit, hit it just before the first ended and the game said no
swift tinsel
Goon squad are the only ones who care and that’s only if it’s before you hit the boss lol
Yeah the no spellqueue dance bit is annoying
runic trail
Right, I know binding cold blood to sectec is a slight loss overall, but having 2 sectec binds, one with cold blood, that might make it easier right?
Or am I missing something
(Its way too early for me to be thinking about optimisations, I haven't got the basics down yet, why am I doing this)
swift tinsel
Yeah
warm marlin
Right, I know binding cold blood to sectec is a slight loss overall, but having ...
pretty sure this is how most do it
swift tinsel
I have a macro bind and naked Sectech bind
runic trail
pretty sure this is how most do it
Sweet. Cheers!
swift tinsel
R for naked, Shift R for macro
warm marlin
F / Shift F 
runic trail
My binds are fucked for it, shift+2 for naked sectec, shift+t for CB sectec
...I don't have a ctrl-2 bind, this may be an idea
vocal wolf
"But you can't change your gear in keys"
runic trail
My binds make no sense, this character has seen so many changes that I started with a coherent set of keybinds, but one by one changes over the years have made everything spread out.
formal helm
runic trail
For some reason rupture ended up on shift-s, which has then morphed into shift-s being the primary dot on all characters.
vocal wolf
My binds make no sense, this character has seen so many changes that I started w...
DW I had stealth on q for well over a decade until like 2 weeks ago
keen dome
Consistency of buttons is good
runic trail
DW I had stealth on q for well over a decade until like 2 weeks ago
Not the worst bind, for some reason its ctrl-q for me.
swift tinsel
stealth mouse wheel button 
vocal wolf
Not the worst bind, for some reason its ctrl-q for me.
I had disenchant on 2 til about 3 months ago
runic trail
I had disenchant on 2 til about 3 months ago
My sin build still doesn't have anything bound to 2, I forget what used to be on there
runic trail
Evisc/Envenom
...envenom was shift-e for the longest time.
vocal wolf
I put my focus kick there
runic trail
Big E for envenom
swift tinsel
1 main builder
vocal wolf
Big E for envenom
Tru
runic trail
3 is Dance lol
Behold the chaotic mess that is my bars
The sectec macro on the bottom right IS shift-2 but for some reason it doesn't show on the button
swift tinsel
I'd share mine but at work and my bars are also tiny
keen dome
I'm the double birb mount buttons
runic trail
I'm the double birb mount buttons
I don't know why its on there twice
keen dome
Add it more
runic trail
I don't know why sprint is 5 on my stealth bar either
I've not touched sub since Legion, me in Legion made some weird choices.
runic trail
Where birb mount
runic trail
Okay this is fine
swift tinsel
Murderbird is a must
vocal wolf
I'll have to post mine when I get home I got some funny binds
keen dome
Hell yeah. I love seeing peoples binds.
swift tinsel
only flying mount I use besides that is the Glory of the Undermine Raider one that we got a month or two ago
vocal wolf
I love the class mount. Im gonna start using the pirate dragon mount for a while since I just got it tho
swift tinsel
rogue def lucked out with class mount from legion
keen dome
If only it had walking (or, as a crow, hopping) animations
swift tinsel
rogue and dk def my favorite
omg if it had the hops
it would solidify it as best in-game
runic trail
If only it had walking (or, as a crow, hopping) animations
God yes. I want the hops
bleak night
ngl
hunter class mount is by far my favorite
the wolf hawk is sick
every time i say that people call me crazy though
keen dome
Nah it rules
sullen hare
If only it had walking (or, as a crow, hopping) animations
that's pretty much the only reason why I literally never used it
runic trail
Okay, yeah, played around a bit, this spec is pretty fun.
keen dome
Love to see more of this.
spice matrix
I love the crazy tier sets Wowhead post. We ended up getting an outlaw rogue bug as ours 
vale pine
lets wait a week or two for the set to work
hollow spear
trying to parse sprocketmonger level: impossible
warm marlin
trying to parse sprocketmonger level: impossible
time to play around cold blood
hollow spear
Are you squeezing them in between?
hexed sluice
2 is for kidney caus eyou give em the ole one two punch
hollow spear
but 33,3% is still pepega
hazy breach
time to play around cold blood
No amount of cold blood will make up for my 4:30 kill time
hollow spear
you had a 4:30?
hazy breach
Well 4:20ish
hexed sluice
Behold the chaotic mess that is my bars
warm marlin
No amount of cold blood will make up for my 4:30 kill time
yeah that is giga cursed
gg
hazy breach
Theres always something sus going on while fighting sprocket frfr
hollow spear
did half your raid fall asleep?
warm marlin
i think we can make it down to the dream 330 ish soon
last dinar, clean pull, another 3% buff
hollow spear
just crit more <:4head:247812158484643841>
legit sub 20% crit on all non cb sectecs 💀
warm marlin
you playing pacemaker?
warm marlin
me neither
ah
yeah feels even worse when you play a crit trinket just to crit less anyway 💀
runic trail
That ain't too bad!
tender frost
lets wait a week or two for the set to work
new set bugged on ptr?
hazy breach
Yeep
tender frost
i was just trying it out - its not triggering coup the second time right
hazy breach
Correct
tender frost
vale pine
new set bugged on ptr?
does not work ye
hazy breach
But even if they make the coup work it will still munch your coup stacks for every strike you do inbetween the coups
tender frost
was also really hoping the second one would be free but
tender frost
But even if they make the coup work it will still munch your coup stacks for eve...
for this reason
hazy breach
It should be if its gonna munch the stacks
It could just be unrelated to the stacks too
upper narwhal
Using vanish for premed to only munch one stack could be a tiny optimisation outside of symbols
solemn lance
are logs acting up again? details has me 500k higher then my log
warm marlin
are logs acting up again? details has me 500k higher then my log
stop padding blud
(they removed electro shockers from mugzee and dynamite booty from bandit on logs)
solemn lance
Ha, tricks cleave what can you do
mental dune
ive seen a lot of people mention pacemaker
are you actually supposed to play around it somehow?
vocal wolf
Hell yeah. I love seeing peoples binds.
I pretty much only play otlw but here is my sub bars as well xd
Not as fucked as they used to be, but still got some funny ones
keen dome
I like your little stacks either end
vocal wolf
Hahaha ye
void ocean
what in the devils name is that
void ocean
yea, that fits 😄
vocal wolf
You can tell I haven't touched sub very much cuz I still got potions of power on the bar lmaooo
void ocean
u also have SnD
vocal wolf
True
warm marlin
u also have SnD
but what if i end a m+ pack with remaining combo points and get a restealth and can dump the excess cp with snd for cdr on dance because premed guarantees my next ss fills the bar anyway
void ocean
Open spellbook
hazy breach
ive seen a lot of people mention pacemaker
are you actually supposed to play aro...
Not really no
brittle plinth
Hell yeah. I love seeing peoples binds.
I'm not at PC but I setup mine to mimic physical button layout
I think I posted a clip earlier
Here
hexed sluice
I stg charged bolts is ripping me out of stealth like that damn rookery buff
summer lynx
Okay, is it just a dumb idea if I say Dark Brew shouldnt be a talent and just a passive for being Sub?
summer lynx
Im fine with that
swift tinsel
Jk I’d be fine with it as a passive
upbeat cradle
I wish sectech did shadow damage
swift tinsel
I don’t have any strong feelings about dark brew honestly
summer lynx
I just feel like spells like that should just be rolled into the spec instead and free up a slot for a different talent to be put there instead.
upbeat cradle
No it does physical ?
swift tinsel
That’s like the biggest part of its damage
One phys hit two shadow hits
And the clone hits are much bigger than the phys
upbeat cradle
Pretty sure the shadow clones also do physical tho
hazy breach
They do not
swift tinsel
Nope
hazy breach
Details just lies
upbeat cradle
Oh
swift tinsel
Logs show a better picture of its damage
Unless Akaari is being a bitch
Or the person logging is across the room
(Always log yourself as sub)
summer lynx
Im just starting to get a funny feeling rogues dont have a developer anymore lol.
molten citrus
and in outlaw
swift tinsel
We got spoiled during 10.2 rework with communication in here, a bit less frequent nowadays in Sub channel
Okay that’s just rude then
summer lynx
Who is it? Is it still Realz or someone else?
hazy breach
Must be busy cooking up that new spec
Now, heading into Midnight, WoW finds itself with a distinct lack of Void-themed specializations to play into that fantasy. While Shadow Priest covers the bases for a ranged caster, the Void lacks and equivalent melee fantasy like what Paladins offer for the Light.
From the wowhead post about that
We're literally forgotten there too
swift tinsel
What the fuck dude
warm marlin
well sub isnt void yet its just shadow
charred sandal
well sub isnt void yet its just shadow
we could cosplay kyveza
swift tinsel
Idk hopefully it’s just whoever wrote it spitballing
Unless that’s from a Blue
In either case
hazy breach
Nah its just a wowhead article
swift tinsel
Ah, imma stand by my clickbait viewpoint on it then
hazy breach
But ye its not overly voidy, but thats mainly because we just dont have any animations more so than its specificly trying to be not void
warm marlin
sectec shadow clones and black powder are specifically purple while void animations have a lot more blue in them
swift tinsel
Could add some neato shit if they go that direction
warm marlin
i think adding a void overhaul would be sick though
swift tinsel
Same, esp with the ethereal tier appearance we already got so it’s not too far a stretch
Just dangling carrots
I need to stop feelycrafting about shit they’re def not gonna do
😂
hazy breach
Sectech should just be kyveza clones 
swift tinsel
Please
It could literally be just Queensbane dash animation and it would be infinitely cooler than it is now
fleet wharf
Yea, new animation for sectech would be hype. Seems like people like the new KS animation for outlaw right?
swift tinsel
The shot impacts look a little small to me but the idea of it being like fists of fury is nice
bleak night
they like not dying when they press the button
fleet wharf
aw you guys were being sarcastic yesterday? I couldn't tell through text
swift tinsel
It’s pretty cartoonish
wary plover
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
bleak night
idk some people mightve liked it yesterday i wasnt here
but those people would be wrong
fleet wharf
I asked them just now. let's see what they say
warm marlin
I asked them just now. let's see what they say
its fine
mildly cool
couldve been much cooler imo but whatever
mental dune
maybe thats just a placeholder animation to test out the more practical iteration (im lying)
fleet wharf
Yea, am I crazy or would outlaw get more value from the extra CDR from coup than Sub?
warm marlin
Yea, am I crazy or would outlaw get more value from the extra CDR from coup than...
yes
when outlaw had this 4p as a bug this tier it was very strong
and you had to trigger it in a suboptimal way
sub likes the extra damage a lot more though
mental dune
does the tier set feel good though?
this is my first season on the spec n people seemed to have a pretty negative reaction initially
hollow spear
In a st log, coup sits at roughly 9% rn?
And that doesn't include the flawless stacks you get
fleet wharf
does the tier set feel good though?
this is my first season on the spec n people...
I thought 4P wasn't working in PTR yet
hollow spear
And the cdr
warm marlin
In a st log, coup sits at roughly 9% rn?
yea but also gotta factor in the opportunity cost of spending 7 cps on a coup vs. an eviscerate
so its not a 9% gain in that sense alone
sub gains a lot more from the "free" 5 cp that coup gives you as well since outlaw has a lot more cp gen
I think itll be a strong set
hollow spear
I'm still not sure how wcl actually calculates the coup dmg
There's 6 instances, 3 physical and 3 shadow
fleet wharf
actually i have a mechanics question, can coup be supercharged or not? I was told it doesn't matter if we supercharge it or not but don't really get why
warm marlin
actually i have a mechanics question, can coup be supercharged or not? I was tol...
it can be supercharged but like colo said evis/coup both have linear cp scaling
fleet wharf
for flawless form, they are coming from sec tech usages and if you coup when the target's fazed right?
hollow spear
And unseen blade procs
fleet wharf
20 sec cd unless used with sec tech right?
is there any other way to bypass the icd?
hollow spear
Thousand cuts
mental dune
so then would the tier set change our rotation all that much?
or it just feels good to proc coup an extra time n youre happy about the damage
hollow spear
4.5 rppm, according to wowhead
hollow spear
so then would the tier set change our rotation all that much?
or it just feels g...
Remains to be seen. There's a good chance we'll always be able to fit two dances between flag windows.
We might also use more dry sectecs (no symbols and dances)
mental dune
whats the reasoning?
like why would 2nd coup = more dry sectec good
lilac stag
CDR
hollow spear
It kind of feeds into itself
fleet wharf
Thousand cuts
this is more or less random though right?
hollow spear
Maybe there's some hidden logic, but afaik it's random procs
hazy breach
so then would the tier set change our rotation all that much?
or it just feels g...
The extra coup is 5 extra combo points worth of cooldown reduction
So not only do we get more 4 stacks of escalating blade for more coups, we're also getting twice the value of each coup for cdr purposes
(assuming they fix the munching)
fleet wharf
what's escalating blades? searching doesnt show anything
mental dune
ahhhhh okay thanks
im helping prog mugzee n i feel like a fraud for just pressing buttons with no idea why the buttons are being pressed
trying to figure everything out now
fleet wharf
Also on to the topic of what to track, I am currently tracking flawless form stacks, but if I am making sure sec tech is the first finisher in all of my cd phases, is there any practical benefit to tracking phased?
hazy breach
Not really, the only thing is that you dont want to coup if you dont have fazed up
But you shouldnt really be in a situation where your target isnt fazed while coup is up anyway
Because for some reason you dont get the +5 flawless form stacks from coup if your target isnt fazed
A type of needless restriction thats classic to current rogues
hollow spear
If you have one of the weakaura packages, they usually show you if it's safe to coup
fleet wharf
Yea, the only thing I'm not entirely sure about is what to do in the dead time when cds are down. other than sending a dance+symbols, it seems like there isn't that much benefit to continuing to spam evisc when new cds are coming up if I have tier piece bonus stacked to like 6 or 8
hollow spear
Sometimes you have to for cdr
fleet wharf
If you have one of the weakaura packages, they usually show you if it's safe to ...
yea, I'm using LE's package and I'm pretty sure it shows when I should not coup
so I've been spamming rupture and it doesn't seem to be that much of a damage loss while still getting cdr
hollow spear
Then you have to choose if you evis or rupture
My feelycraft says you can rupture quite a bit before flag
The sim doesn't like it too much
fleet wharf
My feelycraft says you can rupture quite a bit before flag
hey that's been my feelscraft too lmao
hazy breach
Generally its better to just not finish than to rupture
hollow spear
I wouldn't go further than 20s tho
Yeah not finishing is best
But sometimes you cannot afford it
fleet wharf
rupture can't break your tier bonus though
hazy breach
True, but its completely wasted combo points
hollow spear
Yes, but you use up your sht stacks to build back up
hazy breach
Where you could just stack up sht stacks to make your burst bigger instead
fleet wharf
yea, but the tiny eviscs don't feel like it's worth the extra energy if I'm not entirely sure I'll have everything up for cds in time
doesnt sht stack have a cap of 12... 14?
hazy breach
It also doesnt matter much
hollow spear
Evis without anything is omega wet noodle
warm marlin
build to 6/7, if you need the cdr before flag rupture and rebuild, if not just backstab away
hazy breach
Its a fairly low chance to lose the tier stacks anyway
And on average you'd get most of them back during the burst anyway
hollow spear
You say that
hollow spear
I'm convinced they increase the chance the higher your stacks are
To punish you for trying
fleet wharf
that's how cults are formed
hollow spear
(not really but it feels like it)
fleet wharf
Also, is there any other benefit to vanish for us other than triggering premed once for more cdr?
(offensively, that is)
hazy breach
Nop
mental dune
wait whats the point in rupturing for cdr over black powder?
granted ik it would do virtually 0 damage in single target anyways
but it seems like an intentional choice
fleet wharf
be more specific. like in m+ after you pull?
warm marlin
wait whats the point in rupturing for cdr over black powder?
black powder can lose you tier set stacks
rupture cannot
mental dune
ahhhhh ok
warm marlin
you can also just eviscerate instead if you don't have coup ready
fleet wharf
hmm but that could make sense next tier since we won't have to care about tier set anyway right?
is a good rule of thumb to only spend coup after sec tech in some form of cd window? minimum being dance+symbols?
hazy breach
Generally people end up losing more damage than theyre gaining trying to maximize the tier set stacks of the current tier
Next tier we are probably gonna get so many coup procs that holding coup for a longer period is gonna be really bad
fleet wharf
would we just send coup even without having anything up like any other evisc or would we want to use it only with dances?
hazy breach
But also ryldd after thinking more about it i dont think the new tier is more focused on the 90s than the current one is
Since the 2p does very little for the 90s burst
warm marlin
my thinking was honestly more that the spymaster trinket itself will warp us a bit more towards blades windows
hazy breach
Ye the trinket does for sure
But the tier doesnt really
Since most strikes during burst are unseen blade procs anyway, the 2p is mostly just +30% damage to the proc
But the extra coup is obviously really good
warm marlin
I also think sectec coup coup in cds is just so warpingly powerful that you will be forced to set it up by sht stacking
and its a bit hard to dance a lot between cds when u gotta sit there autoing for so long
hazy breach
If they dont fix the munching probably ye
brisk onyx
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warm marlin
I really want the tier set etc. to be on raidbots so i can start looking at stuff
distant sage
idk what im even looking at
hazy breach
But also coup being 1.2s long instead of the regular 1s gcd is gonna lead to a bunch of people missing their last global in dance way more often
When we get 2 of them that is
opal basalt
What’s with the tier btw. my evisc is glowing for more than just the additional use after the first Coup
opal basalt
Huh?
hazy breach
or well, it does actually do something, it prevents you from gaining new coup stacks for the duration
Its bugged
hazy breach
#subtlety message
But this part is probably intentional
Or atleast not something theyll fix without feedback
So like if you go sectech > strike > get 4 stacks > coup > strike > coup you'd be at 0 stacks of coup at the end
Because the strike that you do inbetween coups doesnt count since you "can already coup", but it still uses up your guaranteed procs from disorienting strikes (the thing that gives you 2 procs after sectech)
Which is the munching we mentioned earlier
fleet wharf
surely they'll fix all the bugs
fleet wharf
but that makes it way less efficient than what it appears to be at first glance, no?
hazy breach
Yes
warm marlin
Because the strike that you do inbetween coups doesnt count since you "can alrea...
outlaw uses alternate builders when you have guaranteed unseen blade procs ready and coup also ready (i.e. pistol shot, ar, bf) any world where we shuriken storm between coups in blades to build instead?
iirc I looked at it this tier and it was real bad
hazy breach
Probably
Does like no damage though
Probably more worth to just throw away an unseen blade and hope you get 2p procs
Either way both options feel like shit, shouldnt be designing stuff in a such a way
But that seems to be the main trope of new rogue mechanics nowadays
Like why isnt storm applying unseen blade so we can use storm in aoe
Or why doesnt darkest night work on BP so its useful in aoe
warm marlin
talenting shuriken storm so we can sectec coup coup with no sht 
hazy breach
More coup probably means finality is better too, so we might move over to speccing 2x of that
Which means were forced to take perforated veins, a close to a 0 dps talent
brittle plinth
Blizzard is going to be outraged if it's not 0
hazy breach
The 50% damage could be active all the time on all builders and it would still be a bad talent
warm marlin
distant sage
i have a question regarding telents in the sims its shown that they used dark brew and shuriken storm but ive been playing whole season with the build ive found on wowhead and ive never seen the darkbrew build before(this is my first wow season and im just trying to learn more)
shuriken tornado not storm mb
warm marlin
i have a question regarding telents in the sims its shown that they used dark br...
I believe this is the highest simming dungeon slice build but no one really plays it
rough sigil
For those of you who have been on the test realm, or just random thoughts on the hero tier options, how do you feel about it. I think Fatebound for Sin/Law sounds cool and warps gameplay a bit, Deathstalker is alright, but Trick just feels boring (even if it does good damage). Realistically both DS and Tricks feel kind of meh compared to some of the other class tier sets.
warm marlin
shuriken tornado is generally disliked and iirc that build also loses a bit of st
hazy breach
Tornado is pretty good, but the dark brew bit seems to mostly just be in sims for some reason
I havent really had any success with it compared to just playing the regular thing but swapping something like voidtouched for nado
But ye nado is not particularly fun to play, youre pretty much always wasting 1 refund from shadowcraft during it
hazy breach
For those of you who have been on the test realm, or just random thoughts on the...
Idk the trickster one might look boring but has very interesting gameplay applications because of the very sizeable increase in cdr
The deathstalker one is unfortunately tied to the deathstalker tree
And in true deathstalker fashion has antisynergy with the rest of our kit
distant sage
will deathstalker be better in st scenarios in the next season
hazy breach
Hard to tell
lucid jackal
Nobody knows numbers, or probably cares atm
warm marlin
will deathstalker be better in st scenarios in the next season
the cabal will keep us safe do not fear
lucid jackal
Because theres gonna be like 4, probably large scale tuning pass to these tier sets
U know how WW does infinite damage in CDs
WW has like 80-90% uptime of their CDs with new tier
Enhances is apparently absurd
I feel like the outlaw ones are way insane
Sin too
Stuff is gonna get tweaked so getting numbers atm is hard, especially when BOTH will change the rotation
warm marlin
my spriest guildie has said the spriest changes/tier are just busted
lucid jackal
There likely needs to be a separate APL for each as they both actively change ur rotation
bright elk
how are we feeling about the tier set bonuses? my first impression is they feel kinda boring but idk I come here for my opinions lol
steel zinc
Nobody knows numbers, or probably cares atm
Gotta be topping those ptr tests somehow 
So need sims
brisk onyx
warm marlin
damage amp with a spymaster trinket 
wicked urchin
more tindral flying too
hazy breach
how are we feeling about the tier set bonuses? my first impression is they feel ...
Trickster: Seems fine, 4p provides more cdr and damage in a cool way, 2p kinda underwhelming (even though it might be strong numerically) but overall its alright.
Deathstalker: The extra symbols duration kinda interacts poorly with supercharger since we might end up using it earlier than pandemic now with the +2 seconds and while i think buffing the effects of the tree is cool, the effects that are getting buffed are not cool at all so its kinda whatever, doesnt seem that strong and doesnt adress any of the issues deathstalker has
short radish
more tindral flying too
time to bring back my dangerzone weak aura
hazy breach
damage amp with a spymaster trinket <:monkas:295010752618561539>
Its 15 seconds of +200% damage
short radish
dont worry im sure we'll be nerfed enough so that at most we end up mid for it
sub doing too much burst is illegal after all
warm marlin
i dont think its possible to nerf sub to the point where its not at least good for that sort of thing right
like especially if you can properly ramp
tiny mauve
Is cooldown tracking included in the "addon removal" agenda?
warm marlin
https://tenor.com/view/new-here-scammer-gif-26655837
fair enough
bright elk
do we know if the extra coup de grace from the tierset is gonna be a free finisher or still require us to use our own combo points?
swift tinsel
Is cooldown tracking included in the "addon removal" agenda?
depends on how much blizzard wants to iterate on their own cd manager
but its possible
lilac stag
fair enough
At the same time Dev will get a 6% buff
tiny mauve
I have an issue tracking cooldown by looking at icons so I have addons display them as bars
gonna be sad if I have to look at icons
swift tinsel
I'd like to see a collab between the weakaura folks and blizz if they want their cd manager taken more seriously
wicked urchin
second boss drops vers/mast dagger love to see it
swift tinsel
day one power spike here we go
wicked urchin
our raid loot overall looks kinda scuffed though but i might have missed some
hazy breach
how are we feeling about the tier set bonuses? my first impression is they feel ...
As a sidenote, this is what i would like to see changed about the tier set:
- 2p: We typically have most of our strikes in blades+flag already guaranteed to proc unseen blade from disorienting strikes so this resetting the cd is quite unimpactful during our cds. I would like to see the 2p instead either trigger unseen blade twice immediately or something similar so it doesnt feel wasted during cds. (This might be an intentional design choice, but it doesnt feel great either way)
- Since we pretty much always go sectech >strike > coup we will now instead do sectech > strike > coup > strike > coup. This makes it so the strike in italic is always going to waste its unseen blade as you cannot stack up for a new coup until the extra coup from the 4p has been used. So either make it so we can start stacking while the 4p is active or make the second coup free so we dont have to use a finisher inbetween
swift tinsel
iirc we're pretty good for off-pieces from dungeons for the ones we don't get from raid
warm marlin
there are quite a few vers mast pieces in the rotation
warm marlin
only one vers/mast ring and no mast/vers neck though
swift tinsel
isn't there a mastery heavy crit neck
hazy breach
Trinkets and special effects are the most impactful, and there seems to be some decent trinkets available and not much special effects
swift tinsel
or was it haste
warm marlin
isn't there a mastery heavy crit neck
yeah youll probably just play that one
its off like the 7th boss though
swift tinsel
yeah it'll likely be a craft angle until then
idk if I saw any cantrip items besides the pointless 2h str/agi one
that just has crit on it
warm marlin
and good luck rnging the vers/mast ring from dungeon vault
swift tinsel
not having infinity rings from top in the pool is nice
hazy breach
Well crit is fine too
lilac stag
Go PvP
warm marlin
champion track soo bad though
lilac stag
for jewelry, especially at the start? 
warm marlin
actually nvm
i forgot turbo boost was temporary
with hero being back to 6/6 its not so bad
pliant topaz
As a sidenote, this is what i would like to see changed about the tier set:
- 2p...
I still dont like how the 2pc works in aoe. it feels completely dead
hazy breach
Well they should make unseen blade proc of storm
But ye aoe is an afterthought that nobody designing sub seems to care about
pliant topaz
u know they wont. it goes against their little "design" of doing single target stuff to get benefits
ive said this many times but subs design in aoe is problematic because it just doesnt get any benefits from extra targets
all other specs (even outlaw) can benefit from haivng more than 1 target to hit. they get resources sub doesnt.
during dance youre kinad getting to 5-6 cps per strike anyways
during blades youre capped anyways
and thats your only resource + energy (which u dont get any extra from aoe - wouldnt even matter if u did since your damage is so dance reliant)
hazy breach
Ye they just havent made any attempts at designing the aoe rotation since DF beta, the aoe part of sub was forgotten/ignored during the rework and the hero talents havent fixed any of it
In fact hero talents just make it worse
pliant topaz
kinda fnny how every iteration of TC for deathstalker made it worse
it was so obvious 0 thought was put into it when it got announced on wowhead during beta
hazy breach
Trickster plays fine in aoe, if you pretend its singletarget
pliant topaz
we read it, and were like ... sub cant proc the capstone what the fuck
then it ook them 5 weeks to do exactly what we said to atleast let sub proc capstone
pliant topaz
Trickster plays fine in aoe, if you pretend its singletarget
some people might like this for ex. guy, but idk I dont want this. i hate it in fact
i didnt want every rogue spec to be bladeflurry.x
hazy breach
Well its not optimal to pretend its singletarget is the thing
Not to mention a lot of our talents buff and/or interact with backstab and strike, but not storm for some reason
So theyre just dead on aoe
pliant topaz
sub did have an identity in aoe. they removed it cuz "limited their design" (i call bs, just lack of creativeity imo)
then ever since then, put a bandaid with bp
kinda worked in df s1
because dance cdr was so high
and u had so much energy
u were just in perma dance
then with resource adjustments and dance cdr reduction it never got fixed
lucid jackal
Yeah bp always felt like a Band-Aid to sub not having aoe. It's part of why I enjoy trickster being good because I just hate the button so much
pliant topaz
I hate it too. most people do in fact.
hazy breach
BP does more than evis does at 5 targets (with FW up) though
Which is the stinky part
pliant topaz
just that, blade flurry the class wasnt my idea of rogue is all im saying
hazy breach
So even trickster should be BPing most of the time in aoe
short radish
just remove find weakness
OR
HOT TAKE
MAKE IT A RAID BUFF
THAT THE ROGUE APPLIES ON HIT
pliant topaz
just remove find weakness
would be great but theyve tied so much random non sense filler talents that it would require them to actually spend more than 5 mintues of work to make up half the tree
like so much of the tree is tied to fw
short radish
yeah i know
bright elk
for mythic Gally is the strat where we save cds for 30 secs on pull just a pad thing for parses?
or is that the go-to
hazy breach
Its purely pad
bright elk
kk
lucid jackal
for mythic Gally is the strat where we save cds for 30 secs on pull just a pad t...
I cant believe ppl think holding flag on pull is good
Whoever started that trend is a sinner
short radish
does it make any difference to boss damage though?
short radish
also arguable it's acutally good to do it because then you can kill the adds at 30 seconds easier
oh true we did kill super fast this time
warm marlin
does it make any difference to boss damage though?
i lose like 500k boss dps playing those timings
midnight ledge
probably too early to tell, but if your buddy is playing either prot war or brew monk, what spec of rogue do you think is ideal to pair with it for next season?
warm marlin
you can argue the 30s technician and 4min 7min adds need to die fast depending on your comp but its mostly just pad
bright elk
I remember saving cds for like 10 secs on Rik, and saw that like 80% of the lorrgs listings have the cds delayed on gally, but yeah makes sense its more of a pad tech
hazy breach
probably too early to tell, but if your buddy is playing either prot war or brew...
The one you like the most
But in terms of numbers its significantly too early to know
midnight ledge
subs currently my favorite but I was lurking and looking at people talking about cancel aura macros and whatnot, that sounds more annoying than fun. unless it's like a .1% difference
hazy breach
Thats deathstalker, not trickster
swift tinsel
icky
hazy breach
Which is what were playing
swift tinsel
we don't touch deathstalker
midnight ledge
oh okay, so I can still just chill as trickster and have fun
swift tinsel
heck yeah you can
this gives me a bit of hope that the 2pc isn't going to go live as-is
pertains to outlaw in this context but still
maybe something like Disorienting Strikes makes next two UB's grant 2x EB stacks
hazy breach
Never left
hazy breach
Just toned down the amount of posts
swift tinsel
Can't really ask here about tier feedback until it works enoughto test
midnight ledge
srry if this is the wrong place, but is it possible to get a target dummy void review on sub opener? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et2SxZJbJH0
bright elk
oh cool I thought realz wasnt the rogue dev anymore for some reason
lucid jackal
Fan fiction
swift tinsel
lotta people think that apparently
lucid jackal
Ppl really enjoy creative narratives about Devs lives
swift tinsel
there's also just not a lot to talk about in here in terms of dev stuff atm
brisk onyx
No one really cares about devs’ lives
swift tinsel
short radish
Ppl really enjoy creative narratives about Devs lives
what else are we supposed to shit talk about in content drought
lucid jackal
Ik ur being ironic but probably not writing fan fiction about people doing their job
swift tinsel
were people throwing out weird parasocial shit or what
short radish
yeah it started getting weirdly personal when realz went on leave
swift tinsel
gross
pliant topaz
yeah it started getting weirdly personal when realz went on leave
people were tilted out of their minds that rogues and demon hunters (the classes hes known for ) got so fucked during tww beta, that someone started coping hes no longer working on those classes or w/e then it blew up in dh discord, then it came here
brisk onyx
Most famous rumor: Rogue (and DH) no longer have devs, as if they were sitting in the Blizzard office
lucid jackal
?
brisk onyx
？
lucid jackal
u r weird
brisk onyx
I don't care about your opinion, because you just habitually refute others
molten citrus
I don't care about your opinion, because you just habitually refute others<:OMEG...
u r weird
lilac stag
I don't care about your opinion, because you just habitually refute others<:OMEG...
u r normy
tribal blade
hey does anyone remember what the meta specs were for S2 SL
that was my first season hard pushing, but i had a 5 stack so i never even looked at a single tier list
lilac stag
tribal blade
ah ok yeah that was a sub rogue season
cobalt vector
Ye flag + bp spam
mental dune
sub has a good amount of damage variance from pull to pull right?
at least on pull just based on procs
im ranging from 10 mill to as much as 15 single target
mental dune
ye i just meant about opener
most of the specs ive played till now are extremely consistent
so im not used to spiking 5m more
tepid trellis
First 30 sec depends on coup rng. If you managed to proc it early or not
Which is why some of us prep disorienting strikes pre pull
short radish
i hate being summoned in for stix
and having to then run for ages to find a critter to hit
warm marlin
there are bugs under the stairs right in the entrance of the raid
i walk in get my disorienting then take summon
warm marlin
pretty sure they respawn too
mental dune
wait how do you prep it? just symbols and strike a random thing outside raid then get summoned into instance?
warm marlin
this talent has an infinite duration and persists through death so just cast sectec on something before pull/wipe and dont backstab until pull
again also minor
less than 1% iirc
opaque barn
I lost the link, what's the site to sim a character
mental dune
raidbots
fallow nimbus
Don't skip trash and just sectec then spam storm until trash is dead
tribal blade
i remember when i was fully convinced they would put UB on storm
because having to press backstab in aoe is omega cringe
but that day never came
delicate steeple
am i tripping or is the second shadow hit of sectec not critting with cold blood on ptr
sweet turret
do i ever press Sercet Tec in a non Shadow Dance Period, or do i hold it?
Same with Coup de Grace
tepid trellis
- sometimes yes, in the big downtime between 2nd and third flag where you can only send one dance
you can send sectech alone there
just make sure it will be back up for cds
hollow spear
but that day never came
It would be a great day
tepid trellis
- rip it whenver its up
keen dome
Hell yeah
haughty mural
hollow spear
Chat full of boomers
runic trail
Nah, anyone older than me is a boomer, anyone younger is a zoomer
I don't make the rules
hollow spear
And how old are you?
runic trail
32
warm marlin
damn unc
remote shuttle
so is yu-gi-oh
Pls don't 😂 why not Magic and become a wizard?
Rather than be a yugiiohyogi
mint swift
Am I reading it wrong, or does the trickster set bonus actually seem pretty cool
runic trail
Pls don't 😂 why not Magic and become a wizard?
I don't play magic cos I don't want to have to remortgage my house
runic trail
Can play MTGA totally free
I already play wow I don't need another unhealthy hobby
keen dome
Am I reading it wrong, or does the trickster set bonus actually seem pretty cool
It does! (when it works)
remote shuttle
But mtga is brain wealthy
runic trail
It does! (when it works)
What's broken about it?
mint swift
My guess would be you press it and it does nothing
runic trail
My guess would be you press it and it does nothing
Just like stealth half of the time
mint swift
Half of the time is a very generous estimation
If I play and have stealth work that much it’s a blessing
runic trail
I try to be positive sometimes
keen dome
I'm not sure. Eleem mentioned it wasn't working and I'm just going to repeat him 'cos he's smart and i am not
mint swift
This is wow
People are doomers
runic trail
And sometimes I doom, as a treat
keen dome
But it's the first PTR itteration so it's probably just a small bug
runic trail
I'm not sure. Eleem mentioned it wasn't working and I'm just going to repeat him...
Real
mint swift
I mean if they get it working I could dip my toes into sub but they made dire beast passive and that’s fucking amazing
warm marlin
the 4p doesnt do anything atm on ptr
you just cant cast the second coup
eviscerate glowy glowy
keen dome
Bet it's because of their script or hotfix fixing the bug
warm marlin
perhaps but it works for outlaw
keen dome
Oh. Well, then I dunno haha
Maybe it's because our Coup is a frankenstein's monster of 7 evis's or w/e haha
Maybe they'll use this to give us a singular big Coup
warm marlin
its actually actively a damage loss because for 5 seconds after coup you can't get escalating blade stacks anymore
so any you proc during that time just dont give you stacks
keen dome
geez
warm marlin
itll be fixed soon im sure
keen dome
Hopefully in the next PTR batch
tulip gorge
hopefully it won't be a repeat of 11.1 ptr
where they left rogue to rot until the last weeks before release
graceful osprey
If not 11.2, surely 12.0 
runic trail
I have hope, it's fine
swift tinsel
Still waiting for my Sectech clones to benefit from Winning Streak consistently
Ope
runic trail
Turning 33 next week. Dangit, I'm a boomer...
Got 6 months on me. Okay boomer.
hollow spear
I've already put the champagne on ice for the moment where I get rid of our current tier set
Can't wait for the next tier set, where I'll rupture before flag for a new reason!
short radish
Turning 33 next week. Dangit, I'm a boomer...
turned 33 last month
have you gone through your 1/3rd life crisis yet?
hollow spear
Twice
short radish
noice
hollow spear
That's when I decided to play wow again
short radish
not so noice
hollow spear
True, but it's also not like competing mmo got much going for them
hollow spear
I've been doing a lot of that the last years
short radish
attalad
tepid trellis
I'm not sure. Eleem mentioned it wasn't working and I'm just going to repeat him...
when coup up, you cast coup you cannot cast again in so no worky worky
short radish
i have started my couch to 5k again for the 9th time
hollow spear
Can you explain that like we're five, Stealthi?
tepid trellis
u mean like i just did?
hollow spear
That was too advanced for me
runic trail
u mean like i just did?
I need the 'like I'm 2' explanation
hollow spear
What do words even mean
tepid trellis
button glowy, u press glowy button, glowy button stop worky
runic trail
makes sense Ty
keen dome
Now that's a pinworthy explaination
hollow spear
At least we get double the chance of coup sht resets fucking us over
runic trail
Now explain it to me using PhD physics student terms
We can pin the root cause of the bug to string theory
swift tinsel
Make Sectech one big shadow hit you cowards
tepid trellis
Now explain it to me using PhD physics student terms
best i can do is
scripted tierset, they forgot the spell trigger to trigger our 2nd Coup for sub
but didn't forget it for outlaw
vestal escarp
Ask for better dance cdr -> havoc gets reworked cycle of hatred
Ask for void reaper/kyveza visuals -> dh gets a whole spec about it
Hmmm i see a pattern here
runic trail
Ask for better dance cdr -> havoc gets reworked cycle of hatred
Ask for void rea...
Just need to ask for things we don't want
tepid trellis
Ask for better dance cdr -> havoc gets reworked cycle of hatred
Ask for void rea...
gets more funny when you think about the fact that realz works on both of those classes
he just sees our great ideas and applies them elsewhere
vestal escarp
I didnt mention that for the sake of funny
short radish
gets more funny when you think about the fact that realz works on both of those ...
careful you're going to give the fanfic writers more content
runic trail
But yeah DH already muscled into warlock territory for themes, they can stay the fuck out of shadowy territory
That's our niche
And the priests I guess
swift tinsel
“Our niche” - DH’s
vestal escarp
At least we now know he mains reaper in OW for what it's worth
haughty mural
Ask for better dance cdr -> havoc gets reworked cycle of hatred
Ask for void rea...
I won’t believe it till it’s 100% confirmed
swift tinsel
It’s all a psyop
swift tinsel
Imagine a world where they drop a new spec and hero tree and it doesn’t break everything
keen dome
I'll be very mildly annoyed.
short radish
imagine a world where they decide "you know what, we should polish and refine what we currently have instead of adding new broken shit"
hollow spear
marketing likes new broken shit
swift tinsel
The day that happens and they follow through is the day I sub for life
runic trail
imagine a world where they decide "you know what, we should polish and refine wh...
They were cooking up a sub changes and went, nah, give it to the DHs
keen dome
But I am very confident that it won't happen. It makes no sense.
short radish
they were never cooking that for sub
it was always meant for the DHs
because demon hunters are known for their connection to the void
swift tinsel
We just wanna have nice things so it’s a projection
runic trail
Can I have a little bit of copium, as a treat?
swift tinsel
Because they’re never cooking anything for sub, should have stopped there
haughty mural
Single hits instead of splits is all we are getting
swift tinsel
And if they were, they wouldn’t tell us
swift tinsel
Bc why the fuck would we get that kind of communication like mage, hunter, etc do
keen dome
Who knows.
short radish
if you expect nothing, you don't get disappointed as much
runic trail
Didn't dark ranger hero talent get like it's, 2nd sort of tweak/rework this expansion
keen dome
But I don't think void DH is a thing. It makes no sense, wtf would they do with hero talents, etc.
swift tinsel
And totemic
hollow spear
Bc why the fuck would we get that kind of communication like mage, hunter, etc d...
Based on me getting a 91 parse for a rank 9 log on sprocket: rightfully so
haughty mural
Atleast we will be the prog spec again
swift tinsel
Idk people can’t wrap their heads around blizzard adding a new void dh npc for a council fight without it becoming a playable spec
short radish
Atleast we will be the prog spec again
dont say that, you'll summon guy again
hollow spear
dont say that, you'll summon guy again
I think he has an advanced warning system that pings him if someone says "prog spec"
swift tinsel
“They had to come up with a third one to make a council so surely we get to play it!!”
hollow spear
Well, brings you clicks ig
haughty mural
dont say that, you'll summon guy again
On purpose