subtlety

[keen dome]

the DDR of rogue

[leaden prairie]

i wouldnt care if it was deleted

yes

[sly shore]

that's the thing

would you care if energy was gone

[leaden prairie]

ppooling for the thing is good imo

not for outlaw

[sly shore]

I'd say most people would say no

[leaden prairie]

for assa and sub ye

i think it does a lot for both specs

when its good

[sly shore]

I trust blizzard to make it good for 1/10 tiers

[leaden prairie]

Currently assa energy is bad

[leaden prairie]

Ye I mean sure

Sub tho

Relies on energy

Yo have the slow/fast gameplay

[sly shore]

does it

[leaden prairie]

Within cds

So idk

[sly shore]

energy in cd's is irrelevant

[leaden prairie]

Well ye kinda ?

Ye that's my point

[sly shore]

damage outside of cd's doesn't matter

[leaden prairie]

Ye but it's slow outside cd

Doesn't matter if you do no damage

Gameplay wise

You are slow outside

[short radish]

sub being slow outside cds is the best thing ever

[leaden prairie]

Fast in

[sly shore]

yeah but that can be limited by 1s gcd

[short radish]

fuck having perma uptime

[leaden prairie]

I think it's good

[sly shore]

rather than energy

[leaden prairie]

For people that like that

[short radish]

i like controlled simple downtime

[sly shore]

cos it is the same result

[leaden prairie]

I don't particularly like that but

[leaden prairie]

Uh

So what

[tribal blade]

i don't like sub being slow outside cds

[leaden prairie]

How do you make it faster in cds

[sly shore]

it has off gcd buttons

[leaden prairie]

oi guess

[white briar]

prework sub was better than now.

[void hound]

i like sub being slow and doing no dmg outside cds personally

[sly shore]

aberrus sub was an offense in class design

[leaden prairie]

i dont think i played aberrus sub

did i

what was it

[void hound]

i did, it was ass

[tribal blade]

it was gloomblade build

with lingering

[void hound]

it was lingering shadow = the build

[leaden prairie]

which tier was aberrus

[keen dome]

baseline gloomblade when

[tepid trellis]

2nd in DF

[short radish]

abberus sub dps profile was flatter than outlaw

[white briar]

but the spec was infinitely more fun than now

[leaden prairie]

ah i did play sub that tier i think

nvm i didnt

[tepid trellis]

the tier where outlaw had a bugged tierset for 6months

[leaden prairie]

outlaw one trick

[void hound]

old SHT was also sooooooo bad compared to what we have now

[tribal blade]

that was when sub was a lot more press stuff on cd

[tepid trellis]

i didn't really mind old ShT

[sly shore]

[void hound]

the only redeeming quality of the old sub was no nimble flurry

[sly shore]

hero talents were a failure for rogue, undeniably

it did "fix" subs 2t cleave I guess

[void hound]

y

[tribal blade]

watching blizz do rogue hero talents last minute felt awesome

and i remember the massive outrage when they dropped ds and trickster haha

[north schooner]

i wonder if they would ever consider scrapping a hero tree entirely

[tribal blade]

it got wild in here

[sly shore]

It's just

[tribal blade]

they wouldn't, too much work

[sly shore]

really shit

the issue is that no one at blizzard knows what to do with rogue

[tribal blade]

i can't remember exactly who said it, was either stealthi or eleem

but when they dropped DS "getting last minute homework vibes"

[sly shore]

Rogue has always been neglected on ptr historically

idk what we even expect

[keen dome]

Initial launch DS where neither spec could use it was hilarious

[tepid trellis]

that kinda sounds like something armin wouldve said tbh

[tribal blade]

yeah it was pretty bad

[tribal blade]

haha might have been

[void hound]

i expect a meaty 10% BP buff to get this spec in order

[keen dome]

!cooldown

hm. What was it..

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[keen dome]

There we go

[leaden prairie]

!cuck

[leaden prairie]

I think the funniest thing is assa

that got stuck with the worse gameplay hero talent

and the coins

💀

[keen dome]

haha, yeah

[sly shore]

outlaw also got stuck with the worse gameplay hero talent and the coins

[white briar]

sub is the definition of this.
watches the rest of the raid do all the work, then blows it's load

[sly shore]

[leaden prairie]

at least outlaw and sub are half saved by trickster being less dogshit

[sly shore]

wait so did sub

trickster is okay for sub

[leaden prairie]

i mean trickster is ok tho

if you ignore ks

[north schooner]

nobody wants to touch coinspec

[sly shore]

trickster is okay if you ignore 75% of it

[leaden prairie]

[vale pine]

11.1.7 Summary:

📀 D.I.S.C Belt:

• Best For Single Target: Crit Chain (+2.7%)
• Best For Dungeons:Crit Chain (+0.9%)
  🎫 Sim: Single Target | Five Targets | Eight Targets | Dungeon Slice

🐙 Corruption:

• BUG Echoing Void rppm is lower than in spell data (use is not recommended)
• Best for Single Target: Wounds / Void Ritual
• Best for Dungeons: Void Ritual
  🎫 Sim: Single Target | Five Targets | Eight Targets | Dungeon Slice

🖱️ One Button Rotation:

• Requires the manual use of Shadow Blades.
• Damage Loss Single Target: ~ 16%(Assist) | ~25% (One Button)
• Damage Loss Dungeons ~30%(Assist) | ~35% (One Button)
  🎫 Sim: Single Target | Dungeon Slice

🪙 Puzzling Cartel Chip:

• Spend your first Chip on 🃏 House of Cards, it is the absolute best item.
• Use simulations to decide on further purchases.

🕺 The First Dance Bug: - Credits to Eleem

• Using a Macro allows you to start the 6 sec timer while continue attacking.
• The Macro/Bug does not work during Shadow Dance or Boss fights.
• 📖 Macro:

#showtooltip Vanish
/cast Shuriken Storm
/cast Vanish```

[leaden prairie]

nice

[vale pine]

I am efficient, used every character discord let me

XD

[leaden prairie]

sub players abusing bugs again ..

i cba man ..

ban all sub players ..

[void hound]

send every sub player to the shadow realm

[fleet wharf]

thats like 20 players bro

[north schooner]

only 25% loss for OBR is pretty good tbh

[sly shore]

does the rotation not use shadow blades and dance?

[leaden prairie]

Guys what is better

[void hound]

im gonna reroll to one button evoker i think

[leaden prairie]

First dance bug or snd bug

[void hound]

just to feel something

[leaden prairie]

Uses dance

[north schooner]

isn't snd bug +5 mil overall?

[vale pine]

keep in mind thats with the use of shadowblades manually

[leaden prairie]

Not blades

[leaden prairie]

+10 mil overall ye

[sly shore]

it uses flag?

[leaden prairie]

ye

[sly shore]

crazy

[leaden prairie]

flag isnt a major cd dummy

blade is !

[sly shore]

[north schooner]

sure, but honestly I expected it to be like -50% given the state of what blizzard releases

[void hound]

btw

[vale pine]

it kinda is

let me show

[fallow nimbus]

Why not embrace our lord and saviour, twilight devastation?

[void hound]

whats up with every .7 patch adding some annoying ass borrowed power item

[short radish]

snd bug because vanish bug is only in keys which no one should care about

[leaden prairie]

wdym

[sly shore]

what is that

[short radish]

snd bug you can do on boss fights in raid right?

[leaden prairie]

why does vanilla not have the gcd thing

[leaden prairie]

you could

why tho

[vale pine]

ill add it

[short radish]

vanish bug you cant do on boss fights on raid

[leaden prairie]

I mean imma be honest

[vale pine]

ill re-run the sims for you

[leaden prairie]

Idk if it's a gain in actual combat

[vale pine]

and try to make the lables easier to understand

[leaden prairie]

That's part of the reason I don't want this snd bug in sims

We just ignore that it's potentially a minor gain in combat that way

I doubt it is but you never know

But ye it's useless in raid mostly

I use it on rik intermission

Holy shmoly

Might be +1% dps

[fallow nimbus]

What's the snd bug?

[leaden prairie]

Eh

Cba

It's been a thing since SL s1

If you don't know about it by now

You don't deserve to know

[short radish]

LIL TIMMY DOESNT KNOW ABOUT IT

[leaden prairie]

ye fuck lil timmy

[short radish]

WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF LIL TIMMY

[sly shore]

I was about to type that

[short radish]

please stop fucking little timmy

[leaden prairie]

he likes it

[fallow nimbus]

I probably know, but i am old and forgot

[short radish]

[leaden prairie]

its an outlaw bug

that is barely relevant

but people like to make a big deal out of it

because it looks gooder than it is from an outside perspective

[sly shore]

it's the infinite 1cp generation snd caster isn't it

[leaden prairie]

why is gooder not a word

[sly shore]

mega roller

[leaden prairie]

its cool word no ?

[leaden prairie]

ye

[sly shore]

I prefer gooderer

[leaden prairie]

woa

[sly shore]

mind explosion

[short radish]

because english fucking sucks.

why is do-gooder a word but gooder is not

gooders rise up

[north schooner]

if you want to know about the snd bug, you should just check zac's stream chat every 5min

[leaden prairie]

i hate that shit man ..

[north schooner]

it's either that or hoc

[leaden prairie]

People only ask me about the most irrelevant things

Snd or trinket

RIGHT

Like my trinkets are useless anywya

Stop asking me about trinkets

I beg

[north schooner]

that's why you need ryukage more often to break that pattern

[leaden prairie]

[vale pine]

think thats easier to understand in terms of lables

[sly shore]

shadow dance useless on on button rotation

but not on rotation assist

[vale pine]

ye

the additional gcd fucks with stuff

(one button rotation adds 300 ms to your gcd)

[north schooner]

that makes me wonder if the extra gcd is even noticeable for specs like devastation?

[sly shore]

30% of gcd, rather than 300ms

[vale pine]

well its 300 ms for us ^^

[sly shore]

so it's variable for gcd affected by haste

[vale pine]

kinda

[north schooner]

did they change that? initially the tooltip said 0.3s

[vale pine]

wowhead will release a list compiling the rogh estimates from all specs if they haven't already

[sly shore]

they did change it

[vale pine]

else think every rotation page has a paragraph for it now

[sly shore]

because 0.3s on a 0.6s gcd is more punishing than it is on a 1s gcd

so it's 30% instead

[north schooner]

of course

[sly shore]

it's still god awful either way

[vale pine]

its not needed

the rotations are simple enough to always value personal play

all it does is making people who use the one button rotation worse

[keen dome]

Would've been interesting without any kind of limit, yeah.

[north schooner]

they were scared that it might be too good for no effort

[vale pine]

i mean

if you search my history in here from somewhere around bfa

i posted a video of a actual one button rotation, which performed the rotation of a havoc Dh roughly ~98 or 99% of the actual apl

soo

all with only in game macros, so legal

[north schooner]

the reality is that even if it was good now, I am sure they will slip at some point and not update it on time with class changes. Not that it matters considering the target group of the functionality. It would be interesting to see how many people actually use it in the end though

[vale pine]

(and gnome sequencer to allow it on one button)

for subtlety they just need:

• To not use dance when secret is not up (or up soon)
• Add shadow blades (can use the same condition they use for flagellation, just low cp instead of max)

both seems not that big of an effort

[lilac stag]

My question is are they creating their own apl or just taking the work of others freely

[vale pine]

but removes ~10% of the loss, and gives reasonable numbers

[north schooner]

how does OBR handle off-gcd abilities/actions? Do you have to mash the button several times for each ability?

[vale pine]

blizz created their own apl, which is just a simplified version of the rotations

[lilac stag]

I see

[vale pine]

you should be able to just spam it

basically if you look at the sim

[lilac stag]

The assa one in pvp is apparently 20 million burst or some shit

[vale pine]

one from the simc team did write a parser for blizz rotation tool

so it translates to simc

however, it needed a bit of cleanup

and after that you also need to add trinket/potion/racial use

to have a somewhat fair estimate

all it shows is they missed shadowblades as a cooldown

which is why you need to use it manually, so its not a 1 button rotation anymore

[north schooner]

at least it's a 90s button

[keen dome]

It shouldn't be using cooldowns, anyway, as I understand it?

[vale pine]

^ but if they do this

[keen dome]

Does it use flag?

[vale pine]

yes

[keen dome]

Huh

[vale pine]

only missing cooldown is blades

[tepid trellis]

look at what blizzard needs to do to just recreate a fraction of my 1 button rotation power for Assault

[keen dome]

Haha

[vale pine]

lol

[keen dome]

Could've sworn I read it wouldn't use cooldowns. Which is interesting if it does use flag but not blades, what do blizz identify as a cooldown, etc. Although it also does make sense it'd use flag 'cos of how Sub is built.

[vale pine]

Many specs have missing cooldowns on it

it needs iteration

to at least add all cooldowns

making it only use dance with 10 or less sec on secret would actually be benefitial too, but its mostly a benefit for raiding

[leaden prairie]

i eman

[north schooner]

OBR not using CDs would be disastrous for sub tbh (and a few more specs). I can see why they prefer mistimed CDs over not casting them at all

[leaden prairie]

it kinda is tho

its quite easy with a few lines to make a simple rotation that is 95% there

would feel quite unfair withotu the gcd penalty

[vale pine]

the two things i mentioned are simple changes

everyhting more is complicated

but getting the rotation to be within ~13-14% of the optimized one is rly good

for more or less just fixing the "low hanging fruits"

[leaden prairie]

the rotation we have in outlaw channel is 90/95% there

and its litteraly

3 lines

[vale pine]

instead of 25% with the current absence of shb

[leaden prairie]

like this

this is 90/95% of the normal apl

and its barely more complex than the one blizzard made

it would feel very unfair if there was no gcd penalty

[keen dome]

does the Blizz one button use rtb / vanish etc?

[leaden prairie]

it deosnt vanishs/adr

but we assume it will

[keen dome]

Nod

[leaden prairie]

same shit with sub you know

[keen dome]

Ye

I've not really looked at them but have been curious how it'd work for Outlaw with the crackshot windows, etc.

[short radish]

LITTLTE TIMMY CAN FINALLY PLAY THE NO VANISH BUILD

[vale pine]

vanish on sub is more cosmetic

so it does not need to be on the one button rotation

the button rly only needs the 2 mentioned fixes

and maybe the gcd penalty removed

[north schooner]

imagine if obr abused vanish for tfd

[keen dome]

why is little timmy even playing rogue in the first place

[north schooner]

because KS looks cool

[keen dome]

Why are they even playing WoW

let's be real

[north schooner]

[short radish]

honestly why are any of us still playing this dev forsaken class

[fleet wharf]

we all be masochists that's why

[keen dome]

no, dev is an evoker class

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[keen dome]

i'll be here all day because I have nowhere else to be

[runic trail]

I'm too institutionalised to swap

[hidden spade]

Not sure if I’m playing wrong, but I find that if I have coup de grace up and go into blades window, and use it as the first finisher before sec tec, then sec tec will be the 3rd finisher in the second dance - is this right?

[vale pine]

thats fine

you typically would want to use secret first for flawless stacks

[hidden spade]

Ahh ok, is this just for the opener/shadow blades windows, or would this apply to every dance/symbols? I notice on the guide it says to coup first before sec tec if it’s up

[vale pine]

you usually secret first to get more finisher with flawless form empowerment, delaying essentially is a trade off

[hidden spade]

Ahh ok ty!

[hazy breach]

It doesnt cast symbols unless theres more than 1 target

[keen dome]

Huh, wow. That's.. funny

[hazy breach]

Its not like they forgot symbols, theres 3 different lines for it, all of them just have targets>1 on them for some reason

[vale pine]

oh, let me check

interessting

ill need to check later ingame

[sly shore]

forgot the = sign after the >

[vale pine]

or well tomorrow ^^

when its live on eu too

[sly shore]

what does the blizzard apl look like

compared to simc

[sly shore]

is that directly how it's written in-game

[vale pine]

vs. ours

[vale pine]

moment

Github Link

would be the automatically parsed

[sly shore]

oh so they even write it in simc formatting

[vale pine]

no

[keen dome]

I assume there's no way to see the direct language used in-game and it's just an export converted based on casts?

[vale pine]

they have their own format, one of of the people working on simc wrote a script to translate it to simc apl

[sly shore]

yeah interested in their format

[vale pine]

the link is basically the parsed version

you can ask Dorovon, he was the one who wrote the parsing

[keen dome]

It's something I wish they'd go full technical details on 'cos it'd be fascinating

[vale pine]

his discord id is 145723515562229761, i don't rly want to ping him out of nowhere

[vale pine]

its iirc hard coded, so its not as dynamic as in simc

[keen dome]

Makes sense, yeah

[tribal blade]

oh damn outlaw is much simpler now

i haven't looked at outlaw's priority list in a hot minute, and this is not bad at all

[leaden prairie]

It's the simple prio we do for the faq

[vale pine]

I mean there is a reason i re-wrote the apl at the start of the xpac

[leaden prairie]

Yes

[vale pine]

completely from scratch

you can often simplify rules when doing so, because you re-evaluate everything

the baseline rotation from most specs is not that complicated anymore, its the special cases/optimizations that add most of the complexity

[sly shore]

I found it @vale pine

[vale pine]

👀

[sly shore]

It assigns rules

[vale pine]

oh interessting

[keen dome]

oh damn, that's cool

[sly shore]

let's check player.cpp

ah that's just simc interpreting

makes sense they do it with just numbers

makes life easier

than using words

still readable if you know how to read it I assume

[keen dome]

matrix reading.gif

[haughty mural]

Oh bte does reset now when you get stealth ?

[tribal blade]

yeah it does, really good change they did

[haughty mural]

Damn

That’s cool

[leaden prairie]

It makes the spec way more fun to play ye

Love that change

We asked about it the first time crackshot was on ptr btw

:)

[keen dome]

That does sound good

[short radish]

only been asking for that for like

5 patches or something?

i really should try it out again

[keen dome]

Same. I've been contemplating making a 1H weapon 'cos I bet outlaw is chiller in visions

[short radish]

nah assi is still chill

pop bleeds

and watch things just die

[keen dome]

True, but I found survival was painful at higher masks (because bad at game)

[haughty mural]

I used to play outlaw here and there but completely abandoned it somewhere in df when they introduced crackshot

[short radish]

tbh

crackshot is kinda fun

getting 6 back to back BTEs

is more of a rush than high rolling a 5roll

[keen dome]

My problem with Outlaw is entirely a skill issue. I just don't vibe with it, but I didn't enjoy crackshot at all.

[haughty mural]

I mean.. outlaw isn’t purple duh

[swift tinsel]

Tornado trigger/blunderbuss outlaw in Sepulcher was pretty fun, probably the last time I really enjoyed the spec

[leaden prairie]

its weird

it was really,..

boring ?

but a lot of people outside outlaw mains enjoyed it

but it was the most braindead oultaw has been

since forever

we were litteraly pressing ss only

and ps with bb procs

flag on cd

that was all

litteraly nothing else

[swift tinsel]

I think that’s why I liked it at the time, it wasn’t the frenetic gameplay outlaw has now

[leaden prairie]

maybe ye

i mean "now"

outlaw was frenetic all of sl df aswell

just this build

wasnt

[swift tinsel]

Before Sep I think I mostly played outlaw in BFA

[leaden prairie]

Ye I can't talk about BFA I wasn't there yet

[haughty mural]

You didn’t play sub in bfa ?

[swift tinsel]

But I was kinda all over the place class/spec-wise during that xpac

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

Lotta vdh, tons of survival hunter and uhdk

[rocky ocean]

[swift tinsel]

I was also just an lfr hero back then so I could kinda play whatever I felt like without having to commit to having anything raid or prog-ready

[keen dome]

Imagine playing Sub all trhoguh bfA

who'd do that

[swift tinsel]

I’m more sad about missing most of legion

[keen dome]

It was fun.

Some weird moments. Some obnoxious design. Overall good time. Real ton of content.

[tribal blade]

legion is one of the most insane times for the game ever

neverending content

there was so much to do

A+

[keen dome]

Also really good content schedule

Nightmare into Trial into Nighthold into Tomb into Antorus.

[tribal blade]

yeah raid tiers were banging

and constant

[swift tinsel]

I wish I could have gotten the mage tower wep appearances, that’s my biggest fomo lol

[keen dome]

Trial was a bit of a weird one on Heroic, but the others were fantastic

Yeah, I hope they bring them abck in remix as recolours or somethign

[tribal blade]

open world stuff was pretty good in legion too

you had a lot of incentive to do world content

suramar as well was really cool

AN INTRUDER

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING

[keen dome]

Suramar was fantastic but I am sad we didn'tg et it as a social zone eventually (but, obviously, why would we)

World quests fucking owned and I'm sad they've not properly itterated on them

[lilac stag]

Rose tinted glasses. The entire start of the expansion sucked between Lego rng fuckery and the artifact powers

[keen dome]

class halls were brilliant

[keen dome]

Lego fuckery made multiple friends quit.

[tribal blade]

i was in a pretty mid guild at the time so i didn't really mind

[keen dome]

I, however, as the blessed boy, had 3 drop within the span of a week lmao

[runic trail]

The artifact power sprint -> vanish thing led to some stupid interactions in raid

[keen dome]

They were so fucked on launch and they were all obvious issues anybody could've told them

[tribal blade]

my first power was the cape that made storm stack to something like 30 times to do more dmg

[lilac stag]

My last two legos were MA and the sub gloves

I had pants and the ring first two

[tribal blade]

i got the bis boots like 2 weeks before they nerfed em

sad moment

[lilac stag]

Fucked for months

[keen dome]

I got the Outlaw boots once I hit max level. Then I got the shield neck almost immediately after, and then I got Sephurz almost immediately after that. Then two months of nothing.

[runic trail]

Get mechanic, sprint to location of said mechanic, auto vanish procs, rip

[lilac stag]

legion can go fuck itself

With a bfa sized dildo

[keen dome]

class halls

[lilac stag]

we got a sewer

[keen dome]

Legion also had aggresive asset and content re-use but so much of it was done in really clever and inventive ways people didn't mind.

[lilac stag]

A+ there. Fml

[keen dome]

Like the rogue treasure gimmick thing being the MoP solo mode thing

[runic trail]

I liked the sewer, good place

[lilac stag]

Let’s farm the maw endlessly

Great content

[runic trail]

I'm fond of it just cos in WOTLK, my pc would lag the fuck out in Dalaran, but the sewers were safe

[lilac stag]

poor person living in the sewers. Seems appropriate.

[keen dome]

nobody lost more in the destruction of dalaran than the rogues

[runic trail]

Yet the mages get a 'oh we're so sad Dalaran crashed' questline

WHAT ABOUT US, HUH?

[lilac stag]

No one knew we were there.

[keen dome]

fuck the mages

[tribal blade]

it was at least cool that ours was hidden

[lilac stag]

Just like they still don’t know rogues exist.

[keen dome]

4 life

[runic trail]

Got that and voljins urn in my bags, 4eva

[keen dome]

lmao

Never give up the urn

[north schooner]

you have urned it

[haughty mural]

I had prydaz and pants first …pre buff prydaz hehe

Man was I tanky in nightmare

[haughty mural]

I got assigned to all mechanics

[keen dome]

the important items are kept

[naive mantle]

Jeb!

[keen dome]

I've got Illidan's soul and the tear of elune in my bank too

they aren't ever getting those

[woeful harbor]

Guild is progging mugzee and our lowest pull is 20%. We have no issue with damage and usually have to stop before transition. You think it’s worth to swap to assassin for the extra execute dmg. Only thing I’m concerned with is jail add damage.

[void ocean]

So I have this Wow.exe if anyone wants to review it 🤣

Small indie game

[hollow spear]

Please zip it and send me a DM

[sacred yarrow]

no zippyshare?

-# RIP

[sullen hare]

I have a beta test of the wow rotation helper

Just download this zip file Evilge

[lilac stag]

It comes down to what strat you’re doing. Right now you need everyone alive

[indigo steppe]

I usually play sub but am playing assa for the exe damage

assa pretty good on mugzee the caustic goes thru cages and CDs are up at good times at least with my guild's strats

[lucid jackal]

Sub is better for fast strat, sin is better for slow strats

if ur holding damage at all sin gains a lot of value

Sin can also deal damage inside of prisons, while outisde hitting the boss so

[serene notch]

are people really taking TFD in keys?

[fallow nimbus]

Why not?

It's better than some cp proc that barely sims a tiny bit better in a 5min full st sim

[serene notch]

seems hard to play around, i tried to run it one time and got like 18secs of up time

[shrewd lantern]

type 1 if you hate weaponmaster

[serene notch]

are ppl just vanishing and waiting while the tank chain pulls?

[shrewd lantern]

no you just enjoy the extra dance uptime

[keen dome]

Yeah, don't really need to play around it much

It'll happen naturally enough in a dungeon

[fallow nimbus]

You don't really play around it, just stealth and hope you get it or use the bug/macro if tank chainpulls

[serene notch]

i see

[north schooner]

threaten to deplete the key if the tank doesn't wait on your timer

[serene notch]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[shrewd lantern]

Ngl i’ve done that while playing assa

if tank repeatedly tries to “chain” a 5% mob

[void ocean]

what is this new pin and why r we have information about dragonflight

[hollow spear]

Most of the time you have TFD at least for bosses, which already makes it more valuable than WM

Anything on top is just gravy

[keen dome]

A lot of dungeons, even with chain pulling, will probably have a moment or two where you can get it back up too.

[hollow spear]

Yeah that's the gravy I'm talking about

[sonic quail]

lmao I used to get real ass-holish

[serene notch]

I’ve only tried once and end of run details had me at 18secs of up time, I couldn’t imagine that being better.

It did feel nice when it was up for sure.

[hazy breach]

Well 18 seconds of extra dance

is significantly better than WM across the dungeon

Because WM is atrocious

Its not that TFD is insanely good, its that WM is horrible, especially on aoe

[hollow spear]

I don't even know what 18 seconds uptime even means in this context

[hazy breach]

Should be 16 or 20, but ye

[lethal gale]

to activate tfd bug countdown do we need to be off gcd when we press vanish?

[hazy breach]

With a macro yes

The idea is to use a spell that has a slight delay (storm has travel time) and then vanish inbetween the cast and when the damage hits

Which is why you kinda need to use a macro since the delay is so small

[serene notch]

Not sure I guess I just looked at buff up time for TFD and thought nothing of it, not sure what it’s counting/how it’s counting it.

Guess I will check later after work to see if that buff is always in increments of 4 secs.

[fallow nimbus]

You need to look for tfd counts, because if you get it like right before a pull the uptime of the indicator for added dance time will be short

Every tfd gives you 4 extra dance seconds

[alpine wraith]

4 secs but yea it is very big

[warm marlin]

[brittle plinth]

And stop attacking for some time?

Dumb question maybe but I'm really missing something lol

[alpine wraith]

no actually you need to attack as soon as possible

[brittle plinth]

Oh okay

Send and forget it

[alpine wraith]

but did they put the bug back?

[warm marlin]

was fixed on ptr as of last night

[hazy breach]

Idk people said it was fixed like 2 weeks ago but it clearly wasnt

Worked as of last night

[alpine wraith]

maybe someone plays rogue but not a lot

so he just sneaked it in

like whoops

until another dev realizes

[warm marlin]

thought you said it was

[hazy breach]

The 5% yes

The TFD bug is what we were talking about

[warm marlin]

oh that one mb

[hollow python]

Did anything fixed or unfixed with this patch randomly or are we still top of the world

[keen dome]

I wanna know if the.. thing.. happened.

[fallow nimbus]

It would be so hilarious if the thing happened

[vale pine]

they already fixed the 5% before the patch on ptr iirc

so likely not

[keen dome]

NOOOO

[vale pine]

outside of that, we will see

[swift tinsel]

wait was another 5% gonna sneak into this patch

[vale pine]

basically

they added the buffs to ptr and live

then hotfixed the accidental double 5% on live

but never on ptr

[swift tinsel]

[vale pine]

soo the hope was that this will stay unnoticed, but it seems like they noticed early enough

[keen dome]

Which, I suppose, is a positive sign they aren't going to repeat the mistake of 11.0.5..

But it would've been funny.

[vale pine]

ofc something could have gone wrong in staging

but i don't think there was anything

[swift tinsel]

any whispers of 11.2 ptr or is that still waiting to drop

[keen dome]

Probably next week

It's gotta land sometime in August since the event ends.. first week of august?

[vale pine]

^

[swift tinsel]

yeah I vaguely remember it being somewhere around there

makes sense then

[wise scaffold]

Fuu!

[vale pine]

anras!

[keen dome]

they're just gonna release a splash screen that goes "Gestalt was right: more purple" and then it's just player ethereals doing /dance for 20 minutes

[vale pine]

i hope we get etherals as playable race

[swift tinsel]

^^^^^^^

[vale pine]

[swift tinsel]

esp if they have the cool phasey-hover run animation

oh man

if the transmitter toy was like kalytha's haunted locket in terms of duration and cooldown so it could be up perma...

[keen dome]

I'm torn on the phasey run 'cos I think it'd get annoying

But I absolutely think it should be a racial button

[swift tinsel]

even if its just the sprint animation

I'd be happy

[keen dome]

I'm curious what rigging they'll use but I bet it'll be Zandalari (I forget which one they use. Draenei?)

[swift tinsel]

or you move like that during dance

[keen dome]

Since all playable races use one of the common skeletons

[sullen hare]

the new models for transmitter have pretty ass stealthed movement

[vale pine]

i liked the old one more too

[hollow spear]

parsing on sub is so pepega

rank 12 parse = 96 log

[sterile kiln]

isn't it fun to be part of the least played spec in the game (aug doesn't exist)

[clever delta]

yeah ranking on sub is kinda cooked

[tender frost]

at least logs are reset from the accidental buff now

[clever delta]

well will be fun to hit rank 2 on some boss and be like 90% parse 😄

[vale pine]

its not the first time we are, and probably won't be the last time

[sterile kiln]

idc sub main til i die cuh

[vocal wolf]

Parsing is ez, just beat everyone else

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

That's the problem with sub. You're competing with people who slept in subtlety themed pyjamas since they were four years old.

[vocal wolf]

This is also true

Type of people who still played sub after it got nuked from orbit back in BFA LMAO

[runic trail]

Being asked to learn sub for s3, time to pray that the spec ain't too bad to learn.

[swift tinsel]

Nah it’s not too bad

[runic trail]

I played it back in Legion but a bunch of things have changed.

We have 2 sin rogues and a fire mage in the raid, so for early bosses with prio adds, it... isn't optimal.

[swift tinsel]

It’s perceived to be way more difficult than it really is

Execute your flag windows and you’re basically set

[runic trail]

Yeah, from what I'm looking at, its all about nailing the cooldown windows and then, kind of just idling.

[swift tinsel]

Don’t over-send dance or symbols between them

[runic trail]

Not idling but like, maintenance.

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[swift tinsel]

Once your cd windows look like the one from the link you have 85% of the spec figured out

[runic trail]

This is a 'next week' thing, I'm just watching Shindigs video on it. Still on Gally prog at the moment so swapping specs on that would be absolute chaos.

Also tbf it'd be nice to be able to do meaningful add damage for once.

[runic trail]

Yeah, flag -> dance/symbols -> backstab for full CP and secret is my understanding of it, so just need to get that into muscle memory.

[quasi mantle]

bro what the hell i just bought house of cards last night, and this morning new patch drops and i get another house of cards from the timewalking weekly

[swift tinsel]

Yeah with a little practice the whole cooldown window becomes pretty autopilot

Bc it’s mostly scripted outside of getting shadowcraft cp refunds

[runic trail]

Yeah, then it'll just be kind of a case of getting used to knowing when to swap from maintenance mode to cooldown mode, but that'll just come with time.

[runic trail]

Thanks for the tips though, I'm still in initial research mode but it makes the learning process less daunting!

[swift tinsel]

Pretty much, or learning when you can line them up with certain boss abilities or add spawns etc

Anytime! If you have questions while you’re working through stuff feel free to pop in and ask questions

Sub can be quirky sometimes

[runic trail]

Looks like a fun spec, also, less downtime than sin

As I sit there, waiting for energy for a mutilate.

[vale pine]

unlucky

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s a spec of highs and lows in terms of energy and cp economy, you have infinite resources during cooldowns but outside of them you’re just kinda chillin

[hollow spear]

I'd like a ds rework

Kinda vibe with the theme, but it just feels like ass to play unfortunately

[lilac stag]

last week couldn’t get max renown. This week can’t turn in belt quest.

[north schooner]

frill issue

[hollow spear]

They're really hitting you with the door on your way out

[lilac stag]

Can’t even abandon it. lol

[swift tinsel]

Blizzard quiet quitting their own player base

[shrewd lantern]

since when does timewalking give heroic

[runic trail]

Is it part of that time walking 6 week event thing?

[shrewd lantern]

only thing i can think of

[lilac stag]

It’s their lorewalking shit

[quasi mantle]

the new bfa timewalking weekly quest from this patch

apparently gives house of cards

[brittle plinth]

The 649 one could always give hoc

It's just probably gonna be a nogen tho

[hybrid prism]

did they fix echoing void yet?

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt expect them to do it at this point

since its going away with the next season

[hybrid prism]

doesnt really bother me that much, just wanna make sure im not leaving damage on the table

[lilac stag]

buy it and try it.

[brittle plinth]

Did they fix the fix yet?

[thick temple]

why im kicked from rookery for not having a parasol what did i miss out on lol

[steel jolt]

you use it to go down in the hole to skip stuff

[thick temple]

like after first boss? dont u just get the feather?

[steel jolt]

different hole

it's after that

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/teLFGk7BtWw?feature=share

you can actually just jump down without any parasol but not everyone knows that

[thick temple]

what if i dont have a parasol cant i just shadowstep to tank as i fall

[steel jolt]

i know wild charge works so it's possible

[thick temple]

i cant even buy it anymore why tf i play this game thats worse than a p2w system

[steel jolt]

you can get a parasol from Revendreth in SL too (for free, you just pick up an item)

here is how to do it without a parasol too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzVn3UR9-w4&pp=ygUXcm9va2VyeSBubyBwYXJhc29sIHNraXA%3D

[serene notch]

Yes, I do this more often and also goblin rocket boots

[supple verge]

why this disc quest not complete

i did the delve

[civic oyster]

I know the disc belt has a socket already but can you use vault tokens to add another?

[steel jolt]

no

[civic oyster]

lame

[dreamy pumice]

Did you kill the pylon things inside it

[lilac stag]

Does it list the quest as “on hold”? In your objectives?

[warm marlin]

any knowers on how long it takes for akaari's soul to reattribute to you

uploaded my own personal log once i noticed it bricked on our guilds

[warm marlin]

took about 30 mins

[clever delta]

cant wait to get new tier set

[kind bluff]

loorgs has sub not using cds on cd. what is it we are lining it up with? oin myth gally

[warm marlin]

what boss

[strange chasm]

TFD is probably better now hey with how short boss fights are?

[short radish]

im gonna run it this week

[lucid jackal]

TFD was barely simming higher for me even on a 3 min fight

Just seems like a meme talent tbqh

[warm marlin]

tfd was about equal on 5mins for me

[hazy breach]

Ye but so is weaponmaster which is the alternative

[kind bluff]

myth galy, sorry my brain today is just dead.

[warm marlin]

they're lining cds up with adds

you can cast on cd if you're looking for boss dmg and your raid already has sufficient add dmg

[wicked urchin]

really out here griefing me hey? @warm marlin

next week surely...

[warm marlin]

bro i inted so bad man

im actually disgusted

[wicked urchin]

you could have inted more

[warm marlin]

thoughts on this burst window

sitting there wondering why my sht isnt refunding me or why im backstabbing

[hazy breach]

Mad snd cast

[warm marlin]

snd

[hazy breach]

Oh its a coup, im fucking dumb and didnt look enough

[warm marlin]

why u dont play sprocket

that fight is sick

[wicked urchin]

lemme tell you about that

we've failed killing it on every reclear

[warm marlin]

[wicked urchin]

[warm marlin]

tough

[wicked urchin]

that log is staining me

i pressed the wrong modifier for my gateway shard and that was my only death on prog

[hazy breach]

Idk it should be but i feel like its just annoying as hell

[wicked urchin]

its my favorite fight i think

[warm marlin]

we killed on a pull where someone early pulled while flag was on a 20s cd

[wicked urchin]

pain

[warm marlin]

really?

ig if ur assigned to cringe bombs

[sly shore]

Did they remember to not give sub the extra 5%

[hazy breach]

Yes they removed it

[sly shore]

Surprising

[warm marlin]

tfd also feels sooo good

now that i am used to it

[hazy breach]

Im not its just idk, i dont find the fight fun

Like you just hit boss, then you hit boss while pressing W on the belt, and you hit the boss some more

[warm marlin]

I think its fun because its the only pure st fight of the tier and you have minimal downtime while still having some mechanics

idk just hit boss

zugzug

[wicked urchin]

aint no wait i had my heroic kezan on for gally

fml

[short radish]

bro same i cant parse on sprocket to save my life

every other boss is fine but somehow on sprocket

something fucked happens

and the timing is all off

[short radish]

youre TFD on all fights now except gally yeh?

[warm marlin]

ya

its maybe a bit iffy on mugzee

im pretty sure tfd also gains a lot from pre disorienting strikes

if u sim it itll probably be good on 5mins even

[short radish]

im so keen to run it tonight

[lilac stag]

It’s not. There’s downtime / movement

you also use storm 1-2 times

[warm marlin]

isnt it only 3target

but ya tfd prob the play on mugzee even

[tribal blade]

hrm this belt sure is rng as hell huh

[warm marlin]

low ppm + immune/excluded targets on multiple bosses

very cool

i hope they buff current so that its usable

[tribal blade]

oh shit you're right

i shouldn't run this on mugzee huh

probably sending all my bolts into the immune adds

[warm marlin]

from my testing with some raid events stuff

charged bolts is just so far ahead that even if half the bolts go into an immune add

its still bis (on average)

same thing applies to vexie fwiw

[tribal blade]

mm ok

because on bandit it was doing ~4-5% of my dmg (as sin)

on mugzee it's doing ~2%

[short radish]

[warm marlin]

its just turbo rng

what can u do

[tribal blade]

oh holy shit

[warm marlin]

some of those were due to hitting dynamite booty (i did more dmg to dynamite booty than bandit with the belt)

but its still like 100k variance between raid members

[tribal blade]

are the other powers as rng as the bolts

[warm marlin]

theyre all 1.5ppm iirc

current is not rng at all though

it just goes up down

[tribal blade]

mmm gotcha

so it could be a better option in M+

[warm marlin]

the stat ones are all a bit better since theyre not gonna hit random immune adds

but still buff current

[tribal blade]

yeah the mastery proc seems quite small

oh wait nah it's not tiny

but it's not huge

[alpine wraith]

it is quite decent

[tribal blade]

ok yeah the variance on this thing is enormous

[serene notch]

thats freakign wild

[haughty mural]

That looks like full panic mode, ngl

[warm marlin]

i dont usually sectec as the first global of flag

was just unfamiliar

[haughty mural]

Even a cb one

[warm marlin]

ye was for timings

[haughty mural]

Ah

[warm marlin]

need to sectec+cb super early there

[haughty mural]

Wait

Oh yea ofc I’m so stupid

That’s gally

Sorry friend, it’s early

[warm marlin]

npnp I did grief it omega by not dancing or symbols for 2 full finishers

[haughty mural]

still r1

does the disc belt come with a socket or did you install throw one one on it?

[warm marlin]

comes with socket

[haughty mural]

Pog

Still mad I’ll loose my cauldron belt which came with socket and leech on our first kill

Why not my crap hand slot

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty rose]

was just testing the single button thingy for fun. wth isnt it using blades

[runic trail]

It's not meant to use major cooldowns I thought

For sin I don't think it uses deathmark

[short radish]

it's okay to let go of things. the belt had a good life but it was never meant to last forever.

[haughty rose]

it uses flag

[haughty mural]

Im not good at letting go
I still carry my transmitter with me in my bags

[runic trail]

Huh, weird.

[runic trail]

Nah, delete it, fuck the transmitter

[keen dome]

It's weird. I think the must've gone back on their "doesn't use major CD's" 'cos it seems very.. much using them haha

[haughty rose]

and it makes total sense but if it uses flag then not so much tbf

[vale pine]

yes kinda

idk

[short radish]

same but only because i still want the toy

[keen dome]

I just sat outside dornogal spamming it on a rock until it spawned

[haughty rose]

but yeah it came out today/yesterday so it surely get some tuning

[haughty mural]

You don’t have it yet

[haughty rose]

would be cool for kids and handicapped people if it works properly

[haughty mural]

That’s unlucky af

[short radish]

i also havent tried that much

[haughty mural]

I see

[vale pine]

i did spawn the rare for my gf because you apperntly don't need to have the trinket anymore for the toy

so we stood there me using the trinket every 90 secs

and after an hour or so, the rare spawned finally

aaaand... the toy seems to not drop for her

so i can't confirm if you need the trinket or not, but i assume your cahnces without the trinket are low to get the drop

[cinder steppe]

just got the new belt how do i get the socket?

[keen dome]

it's already got it on it

[cinder steppe]

hmm how do u change the power?

[keen dome]

Use it

[cinder steppe]

ohhh got it

just click

[keen dome]

You should read the item haha

[cinder steppe]

yea

[keen dome]

It's a weird UI, to be fair.

[vale pine]

its diffrent than the ring/etc

[keen dome]

Yeah

[steel zinc]

Did they accidentally apply the 5% buff again?

[keen dome]

no 😦

[rustic geyser]

every time I see you in disc I remmeber this pathfinder gestalt game I played once - good times

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[proven plover]

I was hitting the dummy for like 3 minutes and the belt didnt proc once

am I missing something

or is it only working in indoor content or w/e?

[keen dome]

I just did a quick VexieH and it did about 13m damage (around 2%ish)

[fallow nimbus]

No more nitro booster with the belt

[summer mica]

can u even add another socket on to this belt with vault thingie?

[sly shore]

NO

oops caps

it comes default with socket, so no

[rocky ocean]

Subtlety

[keen dome]

Purple

[haughty rose]

Bubbletea

[clever delta]

so im playing this

surely i dont need more delves?

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

@warm marlin TFD feels good

[hollow spear]

I greeded for my cb sectech on the 7 min add set and walked into the beam

stunned during 2nd dance

at least I got the sectech off 😄

[haughty mural]

It doesn’t feel so different for me

[lilac stag]

Opener is slightly different. Outside of that it’s just more dmg than WM

Ryldd want a fan initially.

[short radish]

having more stacks for 2nd dance

[lilac stag]

Just takes a few pulls to change muscle memory.

[mighty citrus]

^good question. how would i change it at all? i expected it to be like the ring from the island

[clever delta]

you just use it

[mighty citrus]

oh lol

ty 😄

the tree i can enhance per 100 fragments in delves, is clearly just for delves?

[wary plover]

Which belt power Should I use on M mugzee?

[lilac stag]

Bolt

@vale pine why are we back in Dragon Flight?

[alpine wraith]

rn charged bolts on all bosses

mastery is kinda for m+ only and even then

it can be close

[warm flicker]

Does anyone know if you can make engineering enchants work for this new belt?

[willow pollen]

whats popping my G's

Glad to see the same pumpers in here again

Classic Time is over for me now, time to do some HoF again

how is every1 feeling about rogues state atm?

more complicated or less compared to df shadowdust?

[brittle plinth]

What's different?

[willow pollen]

havent touched any tww so far

[brittle plinth]

Assassination is the go to "not meta but not bad" spec. Outlaw is pretty good and sub is fine ... just fine. Really, we are wonderful.

[vale pine]

huh, what do you mean?

[north schooner]

major patch is 10 in the pin

[vale pine]

ohh

[willow pollen]

aight, need to check with my guild anyway if there is space in reclears atm and if they even want me as a rogue or if im doomed to multiclass again

[vale pine]

fixed

[willow pollen]

MAN IT FEELS SO GOOD TO USE THE KEKMAN EMOJI AGAIN WITHOUT NITRO

i missed this dc haha

[north schooner]

the world is healing

[vale pine]

tbh blizz should have made a 11.1.11 patch

just for symetry of numbers

[haughty rose]

what tanking spec do sub rogue mains enjoy? currently leveling a VDH and i'm level 40. while i'm sure it will get better at max level the rotation so far is hella boring and everytime i run a TW dung i struggle to not fall asleep.

[sacred yarrow]

I enjoyed the difference in pace with a prot pala, less buttons and being reactive was fun

[tribal blade]

from what little i know about tanking it's always relatively a simple rotation compared to dps

the main difficulty comes from knowing to rotate defensives properly, gathering, etc etc

[cosmic slate]

!log

[willow pollen]

bdk all the way

[naive mantle]

i think the most engaging tanks are brewmaster and blood death knight, having played all of them this season

[oak grotto]

Has any1 used Maestros Megamagnet on Sub? Was it yay or nay

[real panther]

this patch is "meh" at most

[sage pond]

might be basic but: do we have to use a S.A.D. socket token to give the new belt a socket slot?

[heady wing]

Hey, I’m little new to spec and rogues class overall, is it worth to use 1 button macro, or it’s completely disaster compared to how to use ur skills in optimal way (know that for some classes it works excellent so, wanted to try something more complicated)

[crystal bone]

it comes with a socket already on it

[keen dome]

brew is the best tank

[iron roost]

!pins

what was the belt name sims the best for us? Cannot open pins

[vale pine]

📀 D.I.S.C Belt:

• Best For Single Target: Charged Bolts (+2.7%)
• Best For Dungeons: Charged Bolts (+0.9%)
  🎫 Sim: Single Target | Five Targets | Eight Targets | Dungeon Slice

if you want to jump to the pin itself:
#subtlety message

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l5E5RnMnTk

damn gingi being called out

i haven't looked into this guy's claim, but i'll bet everything he's right because it's literally impossible for an arcane mage to outdps a boomy and udk in high target count keys

[vale pine]

Easiest way to varify is to look at a log of the key

[clever delta]

well they are doing keys rn and both kush and gingi were using it (kush just for one key)

[vale pine]

if there is no log, its easy to fake details. But i don't think gingi does it

[vale pine]

the weakaura?

[clever delta]

ye

[vale pine]

interessting

i mean its just fake numbers

[clever delta]

kush did 10m dps in rookery when others 5mil on his details

but than he turned it off for this key

[vale pine]

i assume it does something simple as multiplying his output by a certain factor

[hollow plinth]

this has to be some psyop for blizzard to push their homebrewed details

[tribal blade]

10 million is fucking WILD lol

[clever delta]

yes you just set up 1.2 mutlipler in the WA

[vale pine]

not a bad idea

tbh idk why streamers don't do it

but live dps graphs are sick for viewers

and you can also make your own dps look great without having the othes even shown outside of a secondary window

[clever delta]

look at this, one is from meeres stream and one from gingi

[tribal blade]

it's funny he feels the need to do this because everyone who has half a brain knows arcane mage doesn't top meters in big pulls

[vale pine]

its for engagement

[lilac stag]

Is anyone shocked gingi is cheating

[tribal blade]

i think it's lying

which i'm not a fan of

[vale pine]

especially youtube crowds won't second guess

i mean

[clever delta]

well gingi have this aura from last race when hopefull gapped him on every boss

[vale pine]

i think gingi and kush are both nice people.

[lilac stag]

it’s unethical as fuck

[clever delta]

for sure

[vale pine]

But you should not trust any content creator at the moment (mainly talking about these with bigger audiences)

[tribal blade]

i think they're very good at what they do

[vale pine]

content creation is in a abusive position with paid opinions and very little honesty/trust

[tribal blade]

but why lie, makes me sad 😦

[clever delta]

it just community was makeing fun of gingi that he cant keep up with hopeful and he took it personaly i thiink

[keen dome]

Details should just give random figures if it detects the WA. "yeah, i did Apple damage today."

[tribal blade]

i've always defended gingi by saying he's the best shotcaller in M+

and that's why his numbers aren't quite as high

i know for a fact that shot calling always takes a toll on your dps

[keen dome]

Raid leader DPS malus

[clever delta]

unless you play bm hunter

or retri paladin 😄

[lilac stag]

or assa rogue

[keen dome]

or Sub rogue

[lilac stag]

Nah. No raid leader is dumb enough to play sub rogue.

[vale pine]

Raid leading on a spec which requires a lot of thinking

[fallow nimbus]

Hey, a save raidspot it is

[vale pine]

probably not the smartest idea

[lilac stag]

next you’ll tell me people pug raid lead aotc

[vale pine]

specs like ret

dev evoker

or tank druid

[naive mantle]

sometimes lying is just funny

[keen dome]

[vale pine]

perfect raid lead specs

bm hunter too usually

[keen dome]

I actually think Sub is real good for it if stuff happens outside your cooldowns.

[tribal blade]

yeah bm is the best RL spec

[keen dome]

Agreed, actually

[vale pine]

+1, especially if disclosed

[fallow nimbus]

BM hunter and then commanding other hunters to play the mechanics, like coin toss and gally bomb

[keen dome]

lol, I've seen that multiple times

Super common in pugs.

[clever delta]

nobody want to do coins in my guild

so they take turns 😄

[keen dome]

Democracy!

Coinocracy

[runic trail]

We had a Ret paladin do coins on our prog

[clever delta]

no way

[runic trail]

Dude got a 3 log for that fight

We couldn't trust the ranged

[fallow nimbus]

We are multiple reclears in and now the coin tosser calls where the coins are going

[keen dome]

He should just.. not. As a joke.