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#subtlety
keen dome
brittle plinth
is there any reason we shouldnt take Shadowrunner over Rushed Setup?
trail furnace
Looking for some insight on M Rik CD usage. Raid leader said not to use offensive CDs unless it’s on barrels, but Dance + Symbols has multiple charges, so should I just be saving 1 charge of each for barrels or literally saving everything until barrels? Also if I Flag + SBlades on pull, they’re up again on time for last set of barrels which is the most difficult to down, should I open with Flag + SBlades on boss then use Flag + SBlades on last round barrels? And should I be saving 1 charge of each Dance + Symbols for every barrel spawn? Thanks
I know asking “should I open with offensive cds” sounds dumb even though raid lead said not to but generally raid lead trusts me to do my own research and will understand if opening with offensive cds is standard for sub rogue
alpine wraith
your leader is cooked or you have other issues if they only want cds on barrels
hollow spear
You should check lorrgs
alpine wraith
you can just follow the lorrgs usage kinda yea
use flag at 13 or so after he hits the ground on his aoe
hollow spear
People time their dances for barrels anyway to pad
swift tinsel
you can import the timeline right from there into MRT reminders which is helpful
and make alerts/countdowns
btw anything worth resubbing for in 11.1.7 or just another nothing patch
keen dome
11.1.7 has the delve stuff and lorewalking I think
And that's.. it. So maybe Lorewalking wil be fun?
lilac stag
Timegated I’m sure
keen dome
1 Lorewalking per week
cursive vapor
1 world of warcraft per week
swift tinsel
I'll take my no world of warcraft per week over that lol
keen dome
I can give you a review of it if you ping me a week after it's lanched
swift tinsel
bless up
trail furnace
You should check lorrgs
What is this lorrgs you speak of
alpine wraith
trail furnace
Thxxxx
alpine wraith
this is rik for ex what haptics said is you can use this button
to get an import on MRT or another reminder wa
those spell whatever it is will be the icon of the ability and you can make it TTs too if yo want
warm marlin
this is rik for ex what haptics said is you can use this button
lorrgs shortening to bingus
alpine wraith
kek
tender frost
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m7WDQMBvkqny62cX?fight=43&type=damage-done&source=13 can anyone check out my recent mugzee log when they have time
lilac stag
Can you be more specific as to what you want checked?
alpine wraith
you could have padded more
when the 2 or 3 electro boys get amp
you can sec tech them with cds
but apart from that i see you got the elite life of no gaol
im forever blue
lilac stag
SP and locks had them. 
warm marlin
when the 2 or 3 electro boys get amp
imagine getting your shockers broken out
Couldn’t be me
thank god they are gone soon 
round latch
its when pvp was at its best,still shivers shoot down my spine from the thrill
hollow spear
thank god they are gone soon <:garf:1179157627738013696>
Did they decide to take them out of the logs? Just saw the poll, but not its result.
warm marlin
I see poll I assume it’s happening
clever delta
will the sectech off boss hit adds on galliwix?
or i need to target them for ethnical dmg
hazy breach
The ones during the later phases will not be hit if you target gally
bleak night
or i need to target them for ethnical dmg
maybe lets not target people for ethnical damage
clever delta
i have R1 boss dmg log from first kill, i can pad now as much as i want
clever delta
The ones during the later phases will not be hit if you target gally
that explain a lot thanks
lilac stag
Just mouseover Sectech the adds 
clever delta
we had 9:30 kill last week 😄
alpine wraith
troopers
clever delta
damn mouseover sectech 😄
strange chasm
!fuu
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trail furnace
How miniscule is dmg loss from not being an orc for racials? <1%? Or is it worth buying a race change
shut ridge
<:Cinema:1282411295496474798>
white people don’t say kino anymore they say absolute cinema
daring marlin
tender frost
Can you be more specific as to what you want checked?
Sorry, I know my last CD set pad got wrecked because the finger guns didn't break the 2 bots under boss 
otherwise just wondering if cd sequencing and dance usage outside of flag looked ok
swift tinsel
how long a raid fight has to be to have weaponmaster>tfd ?
closer to 5mins
steel wasp
!wa
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steel jolt
because you are hekili player
shrewd cairn
😦
lilac stag
why is my aoe so shit
- Hekili adjust to your mistakes. It will always priority getting the apl conditions for flag & sblades window which isn’t always the play in m+
- Sub is no dmg outside of CDs
haughty mural
why is my aoe so shit
be aggressive with ur cds
smoky mica
do i understand supercharger correctly that the next 2 finishers are always empowered, no matter if i hit the charged points or not?
hazy breach
yes, there is no "charged point"
smoky mica
okay. the game does certainly not indicate that...
but yeah, i see them being used no matter where i am at
smoky mica
could have been so much clearer... even the supercharger tooltip is whack
ty tho for clarifying
swift tinsel
hard to say without knowing what your gear setup is
daring raptor
before when i simmed everything a few weeks back same gear, all vers mas was best on rings etc. not i need crit vers
here you go
this is my char
but a few weeks back with the exact same gear besides my crafted ring which was vers mas (have changed it due to sim now to crit vers) i was simming better with vers mas on everything, same with bandit ring etc
swift tinsel
idk if you go from pure mastery/vers gear crit is gonna look better but gems/enchants account for so little
using your sim
daring raptor
it's more the ring from bandit i am confused about
it wants me to get high vers low crit
and not mas as before
which i just find funny
and it wanted me to get one ring with crit vers
where before it was 2x ers mas
wraith solstice
What we think of belt next patch? any simmers yet?
signal moth
@steel jolt is this where we go?
hazy breach
What we think of belt next patch? any simmers yet?
Insanely mid, almost surely getting buffed to be good
Like for most specs its like +0.5% at 700 ilvl, not really worth at base ilvl
brittle plinth
But it's good for crest discount ya?!
lilac stag
What are you discounting? It’s mid. If your belt isn’t 684 it’s going to bs better then what you have and you’re not spending crests. It’s gonna get buffed anyways.
solemn lance
Is sub moving up thisblate in the season due to loss of execute time for execute classes?
solemn lance
Of the 5 percent
solemn lance
Forgot we still had that after reverting the 10 to the 5
alpine wraith
we might get some places because of kill timers favouring us
but dont expect a lot
like mug zee being 5:30 etc
random hare
Forgot we still had that after reverting the 10 to the 5
Its only 1-2% difference now
If not 0 idk how long it was
Raid buff exists u know
alpine wraith
im just happy MM is good and bm is not as good
fleet wharf
i just noticed but it seems flag doesn't reset but shadowblades do?
left ledge
i just noticed but it seems flag doesn't reset but shadowblades do?
flag was always 1.5, shadowblades was 2min
so shadowblades is still flagged for reset
alpine wraith
it also worked when blades was 2 mins because it was 3 mins even before
brisk onyx
!fuu
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fleet wharf
So they have the technology to make 1.5 min classes suffer less but just can't be assed to?
plush roost
Sustained 6m the entirety of the rookery downstairs today
Idk if thats a good dps number but i felt like we blasted the basement
Till boss ofc just the downstairs trasn
rocky ocean
rogue
wild vine
im just happy MM is good and bm is not as good
You are so real for that hacha
serene notch
not sure what to do with this info but, never knew you stay in stealth if you one shot something with shadowstrike
stone robin
is it fine to macro tempered potion into Shadow Blades?
haughty mural
!macro
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
uneven shard
!fuu
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chrome palm
is it fine to macro tempered potion into Shadow Blades?
its typically fine but its not optimal. if a boss has a "burn" phase, then binding your potion to shadow blades may cause you to not have your potion during that phase
fleet wharf
Btw, when is the optimal time to press pots? Is it with the trinkets on Shadowblades activation?
short radish
!guide
fleet wharf
Yea, I was going through logs today, was kind of annoyed that sometimes my pots went off after the first sec tech
fleet wharf
yea, the 1 gcd prolly isnt worth sometimes fucking up
short radish
yeah it really isnt
you can even pop it on pull and its kinda whatever
theres a bit of a minor min max
in getting your 3rd dance
in the potion window
but thats about it
fleet wharf
True because it covers your first burst phase anyway
short radish
yeah
fleet wharf
yea, you beat me to it
fleet wharf
shouldnt the trinks and sb come before sec tech though?
short radish
i guess that's the most optimal time
uhhhhhh
i know you want to sblade after sectech
fleet wharf
wait really?
fleet wharf
i mean I'm new ish, so I'm always happy to learn the more optimal plays
short radish
i think its because sblade doesnt affect sectech initial hit much or something
or because the damage comes from the clones
which is 1sec after
and this way you gain a gcd of sectech
fleet wharf
but wouldn't you want the house of cards to go off before sec tech in that case though?
short radish
dunno someone smarter than me chime in on the sblade sectech thing
im pretty sure its still the play though
this is r1 log on sprocket. potion is casted before flag
really doesnt matter where you pot
as long as you press it
chrome palm
Blades just before or after sec tech is the same no?
fleet wharf
well I havent done the math, but it seems like potentially getting one more use out of the SB maxing your combo points vs getting that extra shadow damage on your sec tech
so not the same
short radish
the damage from sectech is all done 1sec after the cast anyway
chrome palm
Last I checked apl uses it before, but the apl isn’t a perfect representation of how to play the spec
fleet wharf
oh is it? no damage on the initial hit? Do you know if it snapshots at all or not?
short radish
snapshotting doesnt exist except for feral
fleet wharf
smh fucking pandaland ruining snapshotting
chrome palm
Assa has snapshotting, especially with how sudden demise works
fleet wharf
it's not really snapshotting as much as pandemic not giving you the damage buff
chrome palm
But sec tech doesn’t snapshot which is why you can cast blades and trinket after if you want to
chrome palm
it's not really snapshotting as much as pandemic not giving you the damage buff
Sudden demise assumes the full duration of your bleeds enjoy whatever buffs you have up
So if you have 1s on death mark and a 30s rupture, it will check if a 30s rupture (with death mark the whole time) would exceed 150% of the remaining health
As I understand it
fleet wharf
TIL. that is fascinating
chrome palm
Could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s how it works
fleet wharf
so the biggest gain would be to make sure you get the aoe bleed thing off before your death mark up
chrome palm
It would be much more complicated for the server to calculate damage otherwise
fleet wharf
smol indi gam
chrome palm
I mean it would be inefficient
chrome palm
so the biggest gain would be to make sure you get the aoe bleed thing off before...
You do that anyways but if you have a target with death mark about to expire at like 20-25 mil hp left then refreshing rupture would be smart since it could demise it early
In bleed build of course
fleet wharf
yea, I need to get better about my Deathmark usage
chrome palm
Just press on prio target 🐸
fleet wharf
it ends early if the taret dies right?
whats the prio for while you're in it? Do I want to pair it with vanish if I don't have indiscriminate carnage up?
haughty mural
Blades just before or after sec tech is the same no?
Iirc that was the last info ?
More important that you don’t waste premed
It’s muscle memory at this point to just press it after sectech
But I’m also not the smartest person in here 
short radish
!guide
vale pine
what exactly is the qestion
if you cast blades before or after secret?
just cast it before, but it makes no diffrence
fleet wharf
How exactly does Sec Tech and Mastery interact? Wouldn't it be better to at the very least be better to pop HoC before SecTech goes off?Also, how does Sec tech work? There's the physical hit and then the clone hits are also physical or what? Why does it make no difference whether Sblade + Trinket are popped after pressing Sec Tech?
chrome palm
How exactly does Sec Tech and Mastery interact? Wouldn't it be better to at the ...
1 instant physical hit, 2 delayed shadow damage hits by invisible pets (“Akaaris Soul”). About 30% physical 70% shadow damage
warm marlin
this is r1 log on sprocket. potion is casted before flag
it could matter a bit depending on how quickly you cast your 3rd dance after flag
you probably want pot to cover all 3
fleet wharf
If there are no vuln phase or adds, wouldn't you always want to do the 3rd dance right afterward to get a bit more value out of flag?
haughty mural
Sectech is a finisher and therefore gets the mastery interaction
warm marlin
If there are no vuln phase or adds, wouldn't you always want to do the 3rd dance...
im not sure if fuu has shown any specific sims on it but that's my thinking ye
fleet wharf
So wouldn't you want to pop HoC before Sec tech for the mastery boost?
haughty mural
Most important is that the mastery boosts the clones
But yes you can also blades/hoc into sectech
warm marlin
if you're playing tfd I would probably try to cast pot with blades since you're chaining 28s of dance straight
fleet wharf
I thought TFD doesn't get run in raid builds?
warm marlin
wm is only better at about the 5 minute mark or so (even higher if you're casting shuriken storm)
i played tfd on all but last 3 this week
if you're advance you play it on all but gallywix
fleet wharf
Do you mind sharing your TFD build? sounds pretty interesting. So basically all fights where you wouldn't bother with the Eye of Kezan you can run TFD?
warm marlin
it's the exact same thing but you swap weaponmaster for the first dance
lilac stag
i played tfd on all but last 3 this week
You can probably play on all but Gally safely if there’s any bit of downtime
warm marlin
You can probably play on all but Gally safely if there’s any bit of downtime
ye I thought about it the tfd opener is just a bit awkward
lilac stag
it’s fine once you’re used to it, change will always feel awkward at first
short radish
you probably want pot to cover all 3
yeah i mentioned that earlier. overlap is usually okay though unless you get absolute ass procs
and the sectech is usually comfortably in there
short radish
i played tfd on all but last 3 this week
how you rate it?
warm marlin
didnt matter on sprocket this week anyway since i somehow only had 2 stacks at the 30s mark and didnt crit any spells hehe
short radish
FUCK THIS TIER SET
HOLY SHIT
that happened to me as well
i think i had a pull
where i got my first stack
after my second sectech
warm marlin
spot the difference
short radish
acutally
can you tell why im doing so much less damage than this guy on the opener
leaden prairie
you are washed up
short radish
everything else is the same for the rest of the fight
mostly
just the opener i get absolutely gapped
leaden prairie
he critted evis
short radish
yeah but why is his sectech doing so much more
racial thing?
i think i didnt have hunters mark as well
warm marlin
he probably had the tier set bug right
warm marlin
washed up fr
short radish
ive peaked and its now all downhill from here
fleet wharf
just crit 50% more bro
short radish
this is why he's in a better guild than me
leaden prairie
indeed
north schooner
they have 4x the gushing wound damage
void hound
top log
crit evis do more damage than regular hits
many such cases
north schooner
look at that coup difference though. 1 extra coup but double the damage
north schooner
don't use 2min trinkets with sub
fleet wharf
yea, you want a 1.5 mi n cd trinket. go get the pvp one if you have nothing else
north schooner
either HoC or glad trinket
north schooner
yes you use it as if it was 90s trinket
honest grail
I see
hollow spear
ye I thought about it the tfd opener is just a bit awkward
My second sectec always lines up with my second dance. It's pretty feelsbad to yank that out with 0 danse macabre stacks
hazy breach
Sure but you get your flawless stacks earlier and you can fit more of your third dance in pot
You can also often get a second coup in your second dance too, but maybe thats only with having disorienting strikes on pull
warm marlin
its definitely a little less sectec dmg but a lot more burst overall
just feels weird casting sectec as the last global of dance
hazy breach
Flawless
hollow spear
Maybe I'll play the cursed tfd + kezan combination on MugZee
brittle plinth
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haughty mural
just feels weird casting sectec as the last global of dance
plush roost
just feels weird casting sectec as the last global of dance
But in m+ if u just finished a pack with coup up.. and farmed some shadow tech stacks.... Whew lad. You're getting a 6 stack macabre sec tec with coldblood and at least 8 flawless stacks off before your first dance ends
The burst is unreal
warm marlin
ya in keys with more sht its fine and its optimal in raid it just feels wrong to cast sectec and then have dance run out/be reapplied
hazy breach
The burst is unreal
Ye being at 7 mil after 30 seconds on a boss like candleking feels real good
Too bad that shit doesnt translate that well into huge pulls
plush roost
Ye a real shame that
hazy breach
Feels bad that sin does higher burst in large aoe pulls than sub when sub does practically nothing outside of cds
keen dome
outside of CD is posting time. Or pun making time.
graceful crown
boring time :p
swift tinsel
I usually get up and take my cat for a walk
graceful crown
cds, sleep, cds, sleep, cds, sleep
i thought i was gonna like sub more tbh
but atleast for me its funnier than assa
haha
tulip gorge
if sub could fit one more dance window between flags it would be perfect
tulip gorge
the issue is that for like 30 seconds you're doing nothing pretty much
graceful crown
yep
graceful crown
half of the time you re doing nothing
tulip gorge
I wouldn't say half of the time but it's still a large amount of time
graceful crown
40s of full burst then 1 or 2 dances with symbols and sectech then wait again
is so so
graceful crown
maybe its me too, i played outlaw since 2 weeks ago and wow the difference is huge
tulip gorge
yeah on outlaw you need to keep your foot on the pedal the entire time
graceful crown
its very fun tbh
im trying arcane mage now and its pretty cool too
and good effects
tulip gorge
I finally managed to kill mythic mug'zee yesterday and I played sub. I was just doing mine soaks during my downtime
tulip gorge
now I need to figure out what is better for gally, sub or assa
graceful crown
they are pretty close at dps i think? it depends on your guild
in my guild we dont have warrior nor monk
-_-
tulip gorge
we have all the buffs, I just need to figure out which CD timings are better
1.5m or 2m
hazy breach
Probably assa but its close enough that playing whatever youre most comfortable with is gonna be better
swift tinsel
laughs in two warriors two monks
hazy breach
1.5m or 2m
Completely irrelevant on gally
graceful crown
than assa? for sure
vale pine
yes
graceful crown
even if i need to wait 1 min to align all cds
better than assa
haha
the cd combo is so cool
I would like an update of the effect of sectech, like more shadows or something
swift tinsel
don't we all lol
graceful crown
:p
brittle plinth
if you find assassination fun, thats awesome cause they're in a good place. Personally, I can't do it.
tough knot
graceful crown
yeah something like that
would be cool
take some animation of the killing spree but just 1 jump
hahaa
lusty epoch
why is rupture recommended to be refreshed outside of CD windows? It also benefits from CDs and does more damage overall than eviscerate, so in my head it should result in more % boost in dmg.
Am i missing something?
or am i just stupid
hazy breach
The damage increases from cds dont last the entire rupture
They apply to rupture when theyre up only, regardless of wether you cast it outside or inside of cds
lusty epoch
aah, that explains it, thanks!
twilit phoenix
aah, that explains it, thanks!
i'm going into battle
and I need only your strongest potions
lusty epoch
potion sellaaaah... enough of these games
lusty epoch
lol he's so good
thin sinew
What is the 'new' belt looking like for sub?
I know assa it's marginal so similar for sub or?
thin sinew
Thought as much pretty sad really
hazy breach
Same story as circlet
thin sinew
then it'll probably be giga broken and compete with max myth gear next season like the dumb ring did for most
yeh
hazy breach
And the dragonflight ring before
thin sinew
"on par with hero ring" btw xD
keen dome
History repeats itself but with a twist: It's a belt this time!
left ledge
The new pseudo loot that needs over a month to upgrade fully is quite annoying tbh
Wish they just gave us something like mage tower or some other form of challenge
lilac stag
that would involve creating real content
Vs copy paste ring and assign belt slot to it
vale pine
What is the 'new' belt looking like for sub?
I know assa it's marginal so simil...
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hard sleet
what is Sc?
hazy breach
supercharger probably
hard sleet
ok thank
clever delta
i was right, there is nothing to pad on anymore, gg who did not get the fucking 10% lgos in
atleast my outlul is stacked
chrome palm
No belt in the !fuu subtlety sim, is that why the sim is only 2600, or is this some sort of simc bug since the 11.1.7 belt is being used?
or maybe the wrong link was put in the sheet since it says it should be >3mil
chrome palm
No belt in the !fuu subtlety sim, is that why the sim is only 2600, or is this s...
Oh it was right at the top Player Subtlety_Trick unable to download item id=245964 information from Blizzard, reason: The document is empty.
vale pine
No belt in the !fuu subtlety sim, is that why the sim is only 2600, or is this s...
huh?
what sim did you open
!fuu
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vale pine
2.6M is assassiantion i assume, this is the one i found with that numbers
tooltips will probably be updated once the patch is out, so for now its a bit scuffed
spring turret
can we have multiple belts or are the sockets swapable
vale pine
you can switch he power
so can switch
but the powers are all underpowered right now, so you don't rly do that
you farm it, an wait for the upgrades to even use it
spring turret
they will prob buff it
vale pine
think so too
idle aurora
Is the cold blooded on second sec tec really only a 1% diff in dmg?
I don’t ever track cold blooded cooldown and have just been sending as it’s up when it’s up
molten citrus
Is the cold blooded on second sec tec really only a 1% diff in dmg?
around that ye
idle aurora
Ty I would probably lose dps trying to track that perfectly lol
hazy breach
I mean you just dont do it besides the second sectech during cds
hollow spear
Just not use it in general besides when Eleem said to use it
The damage you gain from sending it in between is miniscule vs how much you lose if you accidentally miss out on it on your second sectec during cooldowns
I pretty much only send one if I'm holding flag for something and get more wiggle room to use cb between
manic sierra
what the helly
keen dome
And right on time, they buff the belt
kindred herald
is macroing symbols with dance a bad idea?
spice matrix
Wowhead brother
warm marlin
am i crazy or is that a nerf to the vers belt
sullen hare
lmao
warm marlin
8% buff to the underperforming mastery version and a nerf to the vers version
tame stone
WHERE VERSA BUFF
warm marlin
can't wait to see this lightning rod one pull 18 extra packs in keys
surely it wont happen this time
steel zinc
!fuu
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hollow spear
40% crit on my sectecs during our mugzee kill
I'll have to throw myself out of the cellar window
lilac stag
shoulda followed lashga’s stat weight sims for more crit
Next week you can get Critical Chain and you’ll be a Crit fiend
hollow spear
You're right. To atone for my sins, I will now prepare 18 different sims and post them all in here for you to judge whether 24.7% or 25.1% crit would have made a difference.
lilac stag
Be sure to post a screen cap of each variance
north schooner
does he have to complain about rainbow colours too to complete the ritual?
hazy breach
8% buff to the underperforming mastery version and a nerf to the vers version
Ye nerfing the vers one is questionable for sure, mastery one is probably gonna be the goto for most things besides pure ST anyway
I just cant wrap my head around the way they "balanced" them, makes no sense to me 
cedar saffron
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lilac stag
I just cant wrap my head around the way they "balanced" them, makes no sense to ...
They like their RNG. Vers your could argue is the least RNG
hazy breach
Well the mastery one isnt rng at all
And its the best on anything that isnt pure ST
lilac stag
I wonder if mastery has any rng on other specs
idk. It’s blizzard
I swear it’s like dealing with inserts political cult members though process
hazy breach
Disc belt buffs
Charged bolts good on pure ST, go for the mastery one for things involving any sort of Aoe.
Very probably we see more tuning regarding this belt, but these are current sims with a maxxed out (ilvl 701) belt in Singletarget and Dslice
brisk onyx
Pray that bolts won't ninja pull 
lilac stag
Pray that bolts won't ninja pull <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Pray they will. More funnel!
warm compass
heady shell
The bug were flag doesn't reset after raid pulls isa nnoying
lilac stag
it’s not a bug it’s a feature
brittle plinth
lilac stag
they better fix HoC resetting too. 
twilit phoenix
i feel like if you're not getting bites at that level
people must have you black listed or some shit
there's like a handful of people doing 20s/21s
tribal blade
i feel like if you're not getting bites at that level
oh nah this guy isn't even close to that, he's only done a few 19s
which is an extra layer of funny that you are trying to find a group doing key levels way above where you're at
but seeing meta specs cry about not getting invites will always make me laugh
lilac stag
@tribal blade mugz dead, we CE now? kekw
the one time I got ice boots was this pull.
at least out of assa hell
short radish
<@146180393941336064> mugz dead, we CE now? kekw
End in sight!
Gally will fall over
lilac stag
hopefully. we all played like shit tonight.
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> mugz dead, we CE now? kekw
HUGE
idle aurora
do you only cold blood in the flagellation window?
or do you also spend it once in between
alpine wraith
you can spend it in between but you need to use it literally as it comes off cd
tribal blade
you can pretty safely just ignore using CB between cd sets
not worth potentially desyncing CB
alpine wraith
yea even if you hit it perfectly it is like 0.3% or so
or even less because dances in between cds are very noodle
one thing that is kinda interesting if you have pacemaker
is doing like 2 dances on pull another one just after
then using the sod alone with a sec tech
then the CB dance
you fit that one in pacemaker 1m proc
and can also save a coup kinda for it
tribal blade
is doing like 2 dances on pull another one just after
oh interesting
idle aurora
i have pace maker
short radish
hopefully. we all played like shit tonight.
are you doing the bait -> gate strat?
alpine wraith
seems like the bolt is kinda decent now
brisk onyx
vale pine
guess its very simple now^^
short radish
IMA CHARGING MY LAZER
tidal chasm
guess its very simple now^^
don't you wanna do aoe sims too
keen dome
My prediction: they buff it again, we end up using the Belt until the end of the season.
vale pine
don't you wanna do aoe sims too <:garf:1320173032743899157>
sure can add dungeon slice
vale pine
My prediction: they buff it again, we end up using the Belt until the end of the...
2.5% is not bad
so idk
keen dome
Ye
fleet wharf
My prediction: they buff it again, we end up using the Belt until the end of the...
by end of season you mean end of expansion right? since they said no more fatebound seasons or whatever they are called?
keen dome
Who knows.
sweet turret
by end of season you mean end of expansion right? since they said no more fatebo...
why was that with the fated season?
What was their reasoning?
fleet wharf
sell more expansions. more money for bobby's yachts
though bobby's gone now, who knows
keen dome
I don't think it was that, no.
It was because they needed to fill the time between the end of the final expansion season and the expansion launching. Without that it would've just been a very long Season 3 of DF or SL. So adding some kind of remix / fate event fills the content at minimal development time.
An efficient way to do it.
brisk onyx
sure can add dungeon slice
lucid jackal
why was that with the fated season?
What was their reasoning?
They felt they weren't needed with faster release schedules
They tried it for 2 seasons, it was fun, but I think its fine to retire the feature for a bit
keen dome
We'll see how it goes with TWW -> Midnight. Maybe just having Legion Remix is enough.
tame stone
parsing well on mythic mugzee basically means saving second cooldowns and pushing them & sectech into the broken drone right, or can anyone correct me?
and then praying boss dies shortly after your last set of cooldowns
tidal chasm
theres too much opportunity to game parses this season smh
tribal blade
@lilac stag i'm chatting with a guy i met pushing this season
standard key pushing breaking point
i actually was going to quit pushing this week, but my guildie i'm in a group with is hella hyped to do keys right now
so i'm gonna see it out for him
keen dome
Hell yeah
sweet turret
is there a build which uses dark brew + finality?
Does this work?
mental dune
i actually tried one out about a week ago
it simmed the very slightest bit better in aoe but it only works if you have a dh for magic buff
also works better in larger target count since more of the damage is from powder
this is what i landed on
could probably be improved upon but it does the job
lilac stag
so i'm gonna see it out for him
lilac stag
are you doing the bait -> gate strat?
Yeah
alpine wraith
you will wipe a bit to ranges inting
but it is no huge issue
just make people remember they have to get close to the soaks with the rockets on them
not try to go to africa
lilac stag
We killed it
alpine wraith
pog
lilac stag
Unlucky got ice boots at end. rip DM during execute and lust
lilac stag
You lust at 4 mins. Bait bombs, use gate for ice booties and kill mugz before bombs reach you.
alpine wraith
ah we dont use gate
just kill him
but that seems cool
you still pop 1 set in last phase right
leave 2 up
or not
lilac stag
You leave all up
alpine wraith
oh then it is diff
lilac stag
3 heal ad blast
iron roost
hidden spade
Was sub in mop a similar playstyle to what it is now? Kind of tempted to play it if so
brisk onyx
Not quite the same, modern sub gameplay didn't mature until WOD, sin in T15 > combat in T16, i remember
fleet wharf
Cata sub wasn't that bad was it? i guess ther was a lot of keeping buffs up but I dunno, I thought it was ok
tribal blade
Was sub in mop a similar playstyle to what it is now? Kind of tempted to play it...
didn't play sub during mop, but quite confidently can guess nah it's not similar
sub has a lot of new spells that drastically change how the spec functions
hidden spade
Sad current sub definitely the most fun wow class I’ve played imo
Well surrender to madness SP in legion a close second actually maybe on par
tribal blade
this iteration of sub is quite good, it's a lot better than what we had to deal with the past 1-2 years or so
damn someone is spilling his guts on my server's /2 right now
lilac stag
but I played as sub
Unironically I would have been better off as sub on our kill. Execute DM totally hosed by ice shoes.
tulip gorge
we didn't have issues with ice shoes, we basically would bait mines spawns on dirt, everyone would move to metal close to the fire. People that got the icy boots would go in fire then hit the mines with the arrows
while the rest prepared for the jails
lilac stag
the mines were fine, but we lusted at 4 mins
Soooo 1/2 a dm window before I ran out to narnia to drop shoes. Then got jail since someone was dead.
hollow plinth
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haughty mural
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vale pine
we just use charged bolts everywhere and cba ^^
brisk onyx
ye
void ocean
we just use charged bolts everywhere and cba ^^
graceful osprey
Are we Enhance rogues now?
hidden spade
Does anyone have a TFD weakaura? the only one i can find on wago isnt working 😦
vale pine
Are we Enhance rogues now?
we are charged for sure
fleet wharf
Does anyone have a TFD weakaura? the only one i can find on wago isnt working �...
The one that comes with LE's package works pretty well imo
bleak yew
@vale pine - the talent's been updated for 11.17? I see tornado...
vale pine
talent choice did not change
vapid veldt
heya, just wanted to ask a quick question regarding sub rogue. Only started playing in tww s2 and started off with an assa rogue but am considering swapping to sub due to how energy starved assa is for ST especially in the M+ build and I dont think I would enjoy the rng of outlaw. So wanted to check if sub rogue also constantly suffers from energy issues?
north schooner
!design
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Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
vapid veldt
I see, thanks!
soft stump
Has anyone ever used tricks on the tank, and STILL get the smoke from the boss😂? Cuz it happened last night to me. I used tricks then 2 seconds later we pulled so I shadow striked in only to get one shot
fleet wharf
heya, just wanted to ask a quick question regarding sub rogue. Only started play...
When you don't have CDs up you basically have no energy to do anything in sub either
manic relic
I’m an old gamer returning to retail. Really enjoying sub rogue and remapping the muscle memory. There seems to be a decent amount of button sprawl - anyone have a good source of macros so I can reduce it a bit and make things like setting up my burst window and big cooldowns easier? I swear I have half my keyboard mapped already….
fleet wharf
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.but generally no
manic relic
Oof not recommended
short radish
I see, thanks!
sub also suffers from energy issues honestly you don't really notice it as bad as assi
because you have energy when you need to do damage
fleet wharf
Fuu's wowhead guide is really good so go read that if you're learning the spec
short radish
and when you arent doing damage you dont press anything anyway
soft stump
sub also suffers from energy issues honestly you don't really notice it as bad a...
You got that right😂
short radish
it's the perfect spec for the up and coming boomers
vapid veldt
I see! but its fine during the mini cds of dance, symbols and sectec?
short radish
where you go to 30 apm during backstab "spam"
manic relic
Fuu's wowhead guide is really good so go read that if you're learning the spec
I did (and need to a few more times). I’m just trying to figure out how to lay out my keyboard there seems to be 50 things to map
hazy breach
Has anyone ever used tricks on the tank, and STILL get the smoke from the boss😂...
If the mobs are not in combat they will just instantly melee you when you pull, tricks or no tricks
short radish
this is average backstab gameplay
fleet wharf
I dunno, I think sub's button bloat isn't that bad compared to some other classes though
north schooner
I see! but its fine during the mini cds of dance, symbols and sectec?
yes it's fine during the burst windows
manic relic
It’s probably relative I played mainly vanilla
hazy breach
Because the tricks takes like a millisecond to transfer its threat
vapid veldt
nice! then its great, i'll start looking into it so I'm ready for s3
soft stump
If the mobs are not in combat they will just instantly melee you when you pull, ...
Noted lol
north schooner
all specs have periods of bad energy. assassination is during single target (outside of deathmark), sub outside the burst windows, outlaw with bad rolls/flourish procs or bad play
short radish
better to be a one trick pony than a half baked potato
vapid veldt
yea the lack of energy really killed any fun I had for assa
hazy breach
Noted lol
Shuriken storm is usually fine though since it has higher range
As long as youre not in melee range the millisecond you pull, its fine
soft stump
As long as youre not in melee range the millisecond you pull, its fine
Typically as soon as I see deaths caress hit im hitting shadow strike
Also it seemed that it wasn't lasting an hour and I was still reapplying tricks. Like id hit it and it would just say it lasts for 30 seconds. No indication that of the hour duration etc
north schooner
casting tricks applies a 30s buff and when you attack something it will apply a new buff and start transferring threat for 1 hour
so it's normal to see 30s when you cast it
haughty mural
Or 30s into 30s without 1hr tricks
soft stump
casting tricks applies a 30s buff and when you attack something it will apply a ...
I didnt see that buff on my buff bar or the tanks when in combat
north schooner
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1224098/tricks-of-the-trade this spell id is the short buff you get before attacking. Your next attack will give you https://www.wowhead.com/spell=59628/tricks-of-the-trade which lasts either 30s without the hero talent or 1h with the talent
vale pine
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brittle plinth
Oof not recommended
The thing about macros is that they might help in the short term but prevent you from learning properly.
I still use a cast sequence opener on my first pull but it's an absurdly stupid thing to do that I conditioned myself into. Don't end up like me :p
The rogue utility they never see or acknowledge
fleet wharf
That distract is a pretty good tech tho
remote shuttle
because you have 1second gcd
Isn't it like 0,8 0,9 s on sub during cds?
fleet wharf
I dont think sub or other energy class has th eir GCD change based on haste or other values
only Outlaw's GCD changes lower than 1
brittle echo
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
vale pine
I just noticed today that blizz forgot to include shadowblades in the rotational tool, adding it makes it not that bad:
still bad, but hey, that's quite a bit better than 40% loss
brittle plinth
So it's a two button tool
vale pine
well more like
you still need to:
- Use your major cooldowns (blades) - +1 button
- Your combat potion - can click, so 0.5 buttons
- Your trinkets - can click, so 0.5 buttons
- Your racial abilities - can click, so 0.5 buttons.
In total adding 2.5 buttons to it ^^
brittle plinth
The real test will be if a group of 5 ppl using one button can time a 10. That will be the moment of hilarity.
vale pine
it might be possible
hollow spear
Easily
brittle plinth
I'm suspecting it is
brittle plinth
But I'm here for the content
warm marlin
The real test will be if a group of 5 ppl using one button can time a 10. That w...
well the healer can't use it
unless ur talking 4dps comp
hollow spear
If they're otherwise competent, they're going to breeze through
hollow spear
If they're so bad that only a one button rotation can save them, they'll probably fail
hollow spear
If you're only 30% behind on damage, a 10 is easily possible
brittle plinth
Losing the cognitive overhead of your rotation should let more ppl do mechanics.
vale pine
like
brittle plinth
10s about to get very accessible? Worse? Better? You decide
vale pine
some classes/specs are easier by design
warm marlin
i mean you can easily do a 10 right now while losing 50% dps
hollow spear
We've got people playing 10s who are probably 60% below what's possible
vale pine
as much as a meme as it is
beast master is probably more in the 10% range
of damage loss
brittle plinth
Compared to high end/sim
fleet wharf
Where can we find sims of the 1 button specs? I heard some ppl speculate assa would be one of the better 1 button specs?
brittle plinth
In reality, BM probably gonna do just as well in reality
brittle plinth
Where can we find sims of the 1 button specs? I heard some ppl speculate assa wo...
You're a sub rogue now
No going back
hollow spear
Reality is that most BM hunters would probably profit from changing to the one button rotation
fleet wharf
I thought this was just the casual assa M+ channel reee
brittle plinth
Assassination 1 button isn't going to spread bleeds as effectively
So you'd be losing a good amount of dps on aoe I'd reckon
fleet wharf
Yea, for M+, prolly. i was just curious about how much assa would lose on ST with the 1 button spec because theoretically the loss shouldn't be that big?
hollow spear
I'd wager that a majority is playing below 90% effectiveness
vale pine
Compared to high end/sim
yes, in a similar comparison.
I don't know the exact numbers but i remember it being below 15%
brittle plinth
I'd wager that a majority is playing below 90% effectiveness
Speak for yourself, I'm barely 30%
vale pine
which is a range you should be able to do a 10
assuming no big gear defcits
but for subtlety
vale pine
you sacrafice way more
more like 30%
which is probably still okay if your other dps are good
but more noticable and could mean the timer is fairly tight
hollow spear
I feel like we're exaggerating how hard a 10 is
vale pine
keep in mind that you already did 10s on way lower gear levels
and the gain from item levels alone means
they are very easy now
brittle plinth
I feel like we're exaggerating how hard a 10 is
If you haven't done a 10 in last week or two
You'd be surprised
vale pine
I feel like we're exaggerating how hard a 10 is
^ my point
hollow spear
If you fail a 10,it's not about low dps
brittle plinth
12s are much easier
fleet wharf
Yea if you have competent players you can time 10s even at luke 635 or thereabout
brittle plinth
I'm slowly working towards 3k and it took me longer to time 10s than timing most my 12s
hollow spear
If you got to keep your stamina, you could probably time a 10 with half your gear missing if your group knows what they're doing
brittle plinth
The quality of player is super low in 10 atm
Gear improvements have made it accessible
hollow spear
Hence my qualifier
brittle plinth
You're 100% right
fleet wharf
The quality of player is super low in 10 atm
very true. lower keys are even worse somehow
brittle plinth
I'm validating
fleet wharf
like healing a 8 is nightmare fuel
hollow spear
The average player also doesn't know what a defensive is
hollow spear
No one button rotation will ever fix that
hollow spear
One for acronyms
The list would be endless
brittle plinth
The list would be endless
Lol everyone seems to use them so naturally
My old ass can't figure it out
hollow spear
Like what
vale pine
to go further into detail
if you add another condition to shadow dance to align it with secret technique
it suddenly becomes somewhat fine
brittle plinth
So you add some situational awareness and filler backstabs for when to start on rotation during m+
It could work. Filler on our own bar not in rotation.
vale pine
like the rotation of the button is still not optimized
but the above would be with two low hanging fruits
and it would mean the roation button changes
void ocean
What do you guys think, what are the chances blizz ever makes mythic raiding flexible in terms of roster size, in foreseeable future
vale pine
from being a ~30% loss to a more reasonable 14%
brittle plinth
14% is very acceptable
warm marlin
What do you guys think, what are the chances blizz ever makes mythic raiding fle...
nop
too hard to balance
fleet wharf
What do you guys think, what are the chances blizz ever makes mythic raiding fle...
next couple of tiers will tell I think. Mythic Raiding guilds seem to be on the decline at least numbers wise
void ocean
Everyone is fighting the roster boss, this is just fckin insane
fleet wharf
Is it just me or are a lot of guilds also disbanding?
vale pine
Is it just me or are a lot of guilds also disbanding?
its always like this if the content is meh
fleet wharf
I dunno, I thought this tier was fun enough, but I haven't been playing retail very long
rigid walrus
i mean we're like 4 months in
vale pine
but there is just not much to do outside of the endless farming sim we get every patch
rigid walrus
its only natural
severe prism
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rigid walrus
its just how seasonal mmos are
fleet wharf
but there is just not much to do outside of the endless farming sim we get every...
hey the race to world last is still on. how dare you
rigid walrus
farming reputation is a big time sink for little reward
vale pine
are just ways to keep you engaged
rigid walrus
apparantly the undermine reps are weekly timegated???
void ocean
Imho its so fckin hard when u gotta maintain the specific amount of ppl, u dont wanna overrecruit, cause dafuq u gonna do with 10 benches, but then again if u r tight on ppl that just means sooner or later it will drop under 20
rigid walrus
which is insane to me
vale pine
so unless you rly like mythic+
lethal gale
!tfd
vale pine
or progressing very slow
you are out of content
this is perfectly fine, because there are a lot of great games to play during the downtime
void ocean
A lot of grass to be touched
warm marlin
i really enjoy my 90 mins of raid a week but have kind of exhausted most other games outside of wow 
void ocean
🤣
vale pine
but guilds typically need a somewhat active enviroment to not disband
fleet wharf
I def agree with the recruitment part being tough, but was there anything else in particular about this season that made it particularly worse?
void ocean
I def agree with the recruitment part being tough, but was there anything else i...
Dont think so
fleet wharf
honestly, I feel part of the issue might be that more ppl have real life conflicting with gaming schedules leading to some of the roster troubles
rigid walrus
this is perfectly fine, because there are a lot of great games to play during th...
ive been playing a fuck ton of Hundred Line now that I've finished my FF raiding
such a good game
lethal gale
do you need to be off gcd to cast the tfd vanish macro and get the reset?
void ocean
do you need to be off gcd to cast the tfd vanish macro and get the reset?
Thats fixed bro
lethal gale
RIp
void ocean
That pin should probs be deleted
lucid jackal
done
void ocean
Don't @ me
Dont tell me what to do
vale pine
I def agree with the recruitment part being tough, but was there anything else i...
Nothing new compared to S1 ^^
void ocean
Imho there r always more guilds than players to man them
worldly portal
honestly, I feel part of the issue might be that more ppl have real life conflic...
yeah i need money for an irl house so i can be comfortable and play wow and get a wow house in the future
fleet wharf
yea, who needs to eat when I can get my digital character a sick pixel house
void ocean
Altho I don't have the exact data, I could swear just on my realm there r like 10 guilds that sit on under-20 roster
fleet wharf
Altho I don't have the exact data, I could swear just on my realm there r like 1...
but mergers almost never go well though
void ocean
Yea, I guess everyone wants to be the one who absorbs
void ocean
So imho the only fix would be to make mythic flexible
fleet wharf
Balancing nightmare though
void ocean
I mean
fleet wharf
wasn't this tier particularly hard if you were in a small aotc guild for heroic?
but much easier if you have like 29 man
void ocean
Blizz already does mediocre job for balancing
I would understand if they make like lower bound
Like 15
fleet wharf
I disagree, the RWF tuning is pretty exquisitely done and there's some argument to be made about subsequent nerfing, but fights feel challenging enough
well you know what
there was gally this tier
maybe I need to eat my words
fleet wharf
i dunno man, kyveza was pretty cool
fleet wharf
yea the diff mechanics for the mythic gaol was a strange choice
void ocean
They had some bomb issues iirc what Max said
They were under textures or some shit
Caused em to wipe many times
latent finch
They had some bomb issues iirc what Max said
Isnt it still the same issue with them desyncing when you cc them but they needed to cc them because of the cages back then
hazy breach
I dont really think think M gally was much of a tuning problem either, if were talking about numerical tuning
void ocean
Isnt it still the same issue with them desyncing when you cc them but they neede...
No idea, I stopped progressing after Stix
hazy breach
Like the last phases theres nothing happening, sure you wouldve had more wipes if everything oneshot you instead of doing 70% of your health, but not that many because ultimately theres just not a whole lot going on
fleet wharf
yea, more of a design issue than a balancing issue
void ocean
Patchwerk end boss 🤣
hazy breach
And then its a cataclysm boss
latent finch
If they didnt cut the p1 mechanics in p2 would the boss be fine?
twilit phoenix
imo every fight should be a static 4-6 min patchwerk
fleet wharf
that sounds awful
twilit phoenix
To simplify, they can just name each boss Patchwerk_1, Patchwerk_2, etc.
hazy breach
More kyveza less stix 
fleet wharf
how do you guys feel about sproket? Should that also be classified as a patchwerk boss?
hazy breach
how do you guys feel about sproket? Should that also be classified as a patchwer...
Weakaura boss, big L
void ocean
All those bosses were nerfed sometimes in april or early may
fleet wharf
they nerfed sproket pretty quickly though. i think as early as week 2 guilds weren't having to deal with enrage timers no more
void ocean
Them we got dinars and turboboost
twilit phoenix
weakaura bosses like ovinax are cringe
zenith prism
20 mil ST burst
fleet wharf
Yea, i forgot about the WA issues. Somehow though sproket didn't feel as bad as Ovinax
zenith prism
yeah, insane damage
latent finch
how do you guys feel about sproket? Should that also be classified as a patchwer...
Its a boss where every ranges is a secret spy and trys to kill you so not the biggest fan
fleet wharf
can someone share this build? I'm curious now
fleet wharf
Its a boss where every ranges is a secret spy and trys to kill you so not the bi...
just have ranged stack outside of melee. with the gear we have now, no need to stack so tightly
void ocean
Thats m+ build, right?
zenith prism
only for rookery's last boss
void ocean
Oh
latent finch
just have ranged stack outside of melee. with the gear we have now, no need to s...
We recleared it yesterday after not seeing that boss for some weeks with half the roster never played it. 10/10
hazy breach
Its for st, it sims like 0.7-1% lower than the regular build but has slightly higher burst
fleet wharf
sproket is so miserable as ranged though
hazy breach
If perforated veins provided any sort of dps we probably would play something like that by default
But alas its a 0.1-0.2% talent
zenith prism
another secret is using eye of kezan
hazy breach
Ye
fleet wharf
only for rookery's last boss
would you only swap to it for the last boss or how do you use it?
Wouldn't you want the replicating shadows talent for general M+ though?
hazy breach
Assuming he plays assa until after second boss
lucid jackal
I dont really think think M gally was much of a tuning problem either, if were t...
Everything on gally should have been actually lethal like shit on queen was
zenith prism
swap to sub after second boss
lucid jackal
Queen p1 isn't a hard fight if lines, and waves didn't 1shot u
Meanwhile the bombs on the ground on gally don't kill u
The lines dont kill u in p2/3
worldly portal
Whats my secret build, the dark brew+pe one?
you mean your...
secret technique
fleet wharf
at what key level would you even bother swapping talents mid key?
zenith prism
Im not doing extreme high keys like 20s
fleet wharf
Is exhilarating execution better than ephemeral bond?
zenith prism
but I feel good swapping at 17 or 18 for less shields
hazy breach
Everything on gally should have been actually lethal like shit on queen was
Ye im not disagreeing, but im saying it needed more to be proper difficulty. Like not being forced to run out from the beams etc
lucid jackal
Uhhh perhapts
The amount of times on prog I just ran thru the ground beams and just lived is insane
Like if u ever missteped on queen p1 u literally exploded
Meanwhile gally u can just drool on urself and u take like, 50%, 80%
hazy breach
Ye
But its also like, im hitting the boss and the next mechanic happening is a frontal in 15s, but thats on the other side
lucid jackal
Ya
hazy breach
So im just afk hitting the boss until supression thats like 15s after that
lucid jackal
Ya
the thing is I don't hate gally as a fight but yeah
Hes a bit too easy and also doesnt do enough
hazy breach
Shouldve just cut the HP in half (of p2/p3) and doubled the speed of mechanics or something
P1 is great imo
alpine wraith
tbh he just needed to get a shield also every time he does the spiny beam
so the dps race was something
hollow spear
I feel like that would have just added two unnecessary minutes
warm marlin
Meanwhile gally u can just drool on urself and u take like, 50%, 80%
it's kind of crazy i can run out into the blue from suppression, eat a line, eat an orange circle, eat the little orange circles that leave a dot, and just walk it off
azure mauve
only for rookery's last boss
legit?
valid marsh
echoing void working yet?
hazy breach
Nop, probably wont get fixed either
zenith prism
@hazy breach chances of shadow technique increase from 28% to 31% with improved shadow tech
does that actually take effect?
tribal blade
@hazy breach did a 17 dfc, not bad
testing sub
granted i was pressing BP quite a bit here
so if i was being more ethical it would def be lower
zenith prism
more BP, and CB on the first sectech
brisk onyx
<@212854714197344256> did a 17 dfc, not bad
do you run tfd ?
tribal blade
do you run tfd ?
hell yeah
tribal blade
i'm gonna be real, in some ways sub feels easier to play in M+ than sin
because you can target swap freely
as sin you have to preplan when to hold DN for upcoming target swaps and juggle your mark around, it's annoying af
lucid jackal
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
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haughty mural
as sin you have to preplan when to hold DN for upcoming target swaps and juggle ...
Wouldn’t say it’s harder but it’s just annoying
Else you just run into each pack press ct and pump (obv not exactly like that)
But agreed in ur point
tribal blade
Wouldn’t say it’s harder but it’s just annoying
yes true, not harder
god i hate playing around DS so much
it seriously cuts my enjoyment of playing sin by like 30% at least
short radish
it seriously cuts my enjoyment of playing sin by like 30% at least
30% less of 0 is still 0 though
tribal blade
today in cinderbrew the tank tried to body in a honey harvester late into a pull and i got 1 shot from trying to apply mark to it
i'm so over DS
tribal blade
30% less of 0 is still 0 though
LOL fair
short radish
and we're going to have this here
for the foreseeable future
ugh
oajsdlasjhdkasldhsad
delete DS
tribal blade
it's funny how every single person i talk to who's tried playing DS