subtlety

[hazy breach]

But its not amazing

[lucid jackal]

It's a very good raid buff

But in dungeons it's only okay

[vale pine]

the benefit highly depend on your group

if you overgear the content and don't plan to cut healers, its whatever most of the time

[tepid trellis]

just a slightly worse version of devo aura

[hazy breach]

Ye it was in the context of dungeons

[hazy breach]

Idk id say its generally about the same as devo

Since devo is slightly weaker, but works on everything

[tepid trellis]

depends if its from a ret or an Hpal

[hazy breach]

Do holy get more DR than the others

[tepid trellis]

with aura mastery yes

[hazy breach]

I thought it was only during AM

[short radish]

so we can run fast

better than roar

[hazy breach]

Lightsmiths have a thing that makes the aura better at times it seems

[vale pine]

the additional dr from assassination regularely makes probably more diffrence

then atro

[hazy breach]

You mean iron wire?

[vale pine]

yes

[tepid trellis]

which you dont play?

[vale pine]

you don't?

[tepid trellis]

nope

[vale pine]

funny

[hazy breach]

Its a fairly big dps loss

[vale pine]

oh ye i remember

higher trade offs from talents

i just did not realize people would not play it at all because of it

[lucid jackal]

It's generally better than devo

I'm aware it doesn't work on everything but more often than not, it does

[hazy breach]

With the build most people are playing in high keys its like a 4.5-5% dps loss in sims

[tepid trellis]

the times ive bothered to check, it has not been

[lucid jackal]

The times I've checked atro was better so idk

[hazy breach]

I do think iron wire is absolutely insanely OP though

Especially with subterfuge and 2x vanish ready

[tepid trellis]

just depends if you get from ret/prot or from an actual hpal

[hazy breach]

Being able to silence a pack for 50 seconds is quite silly

So if they made it not cost such a steep amount of DPS (ie by making it baseline or moving the talent) it would likely get nerfed very hard

Im very fond of speedshroud though, i miss it everytime i play assa

Saves a fair bit of time in some keys

[chrome palm]

Iron wire is not very a useful without like 3 extra talents

When you don’t run garrote talents it’s just your prio and 2 randos getting it for the very start of the pull

[lucid jackal]

But u always take those talents

[hazy breach]

You dont

[chrome palm]

You don’t run subterfuge in high keys

[lucid jackal]

Don't u?

[chrome palm]

Or garrote stealth no cd

Whatever it’s called

Imp garrote

[uneven fern]

nah ppl drop garrote talents for ttk and shit

zeross build

[vale pine]

think it was one of the best talents added to subtlety

[serene notch]

So many places to use this ability super amazing

How long does this season go for??

Till Aug something??

[vale pine]

we have no date for the next season

but there is 10.1.7 soon too

which will add a belt

somewhat similar to seaosn 1 ring

[clever delta]

belt is big ?

[empty cargo]

Bis?

[hazy breach]

The newly introduced belt that goes up to 700 ilvl is very likely to be better than your current 684 belt yes

[proven plover]

is echoing void still oversimming?

[hollow plinth]

yer

[hazy breach]

Should probably get it manually fixed in simc so it doesnt

Since blizzard fixing it seems unlikely now

[hollow plinth]

i haven't kept up with the investigation on the simc side. but it has some quirk where its not like this for every class or something

[hazy breach]

I havent either

[hollow plinth]

can use this override so it looks more normal override.spell_data=spell.1225883.rppm=10

But that is just an estimation ofc

[hazy breach]

I just equiped void ritual and then stopped caring about corruptions

[hollow plinth]

[hazy breach]

Them not sticking around for s3 was certainly a choice

[lilac stag]

Just like Blizzard

[hybrid prism]

I’m using twilight dev because I love summoning a giant shadow beam. Looks sweet. Pretty decent too.

[bleak night]

[hazy breach]

Fair enough

[young path]

I run it with the 50% cooldown… TOP is awesome speed boost for mini skip as well as later throughout the map

[brittle plinth]

What if there was a talent, that let us change our "shadow-ness" with fire or ice ... we'd shoot to the top immediately.

[vale pine]

its also rly good for solo play

[serene notch]

I just glanced at Fuu’s guide and saw echoing void was best and moved on….guess there is a bug and should use the stat one or something?

[vale pine]

yes, it procs less than you would assume

which makes it worse

[serene notch]

Ok, thanks!

[fallow nimbus]

Twilight dev for that big beam animation, also it simmed like 4k less than gw in st but a huge chunk more in aoe

[serene notch]

I feel like I should like the way they handled this power up as it’s really accessible, but man the activity is a really boring choir I have not even completed the greater version yet

[stuck girder]

guys if anyone knows about mop, sorry idk where to ask but i wonder

what race is the best for sub pve in mop?

i cant decide between troll and orc

[heady helm]

well those are your options for horde pve troll or orc

do you want ap or haste

orc has always been best for sub and sub in mop is huge st

troll is bis for combat

[left ledge]

Pretty sure troll is bis for sub too in mop

Just not in pvp

[heady helm]

yeah i had a trol rogue for pve and an undead for pvp becasue warlocks are op in that last patch trust

[shrewd lantern]

Doesn't troll still have beastslaying in mop

So yeah

[heady helm]

deathstalkers tmog looks so good on trolls too XD

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah all 1 pixels of it.

[heady helm]

lol

[shrewd lantern]

People using pre cata mogs don't have eyesight.

I swear

[heady helm]

i mean im half way blind

its what happens when your almost 40 😛

and i still bang in this game

[shrewd lantern]

Mop you just play cm set no helm

and call it a day

[heady helm]

CM?

challenge mode?

i have the gold set on my druid need to look at the rogue one if thats what you are referencing

silent assasin armor?

yeah drop the helm solid set

[lilac stag]

Copy Pasta the Assa PIn on Corruption

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah rogue sets prior to that are kind of mid

can use t3 on classic if you have

[heady helm]

yeah i like that one

having the old school mogs just mean so much to me lol especially when i had farmed them in real time

[shrewd lantern]

going into 2-3 expac old content is kind of whatever

[lilac stag]

OG merciless is a banger. Bloodfang is a banger..Nightslayer was good minus the shoulders.

[shrewd lantern]

thats just t5

too low res however

[heady helm]

we dont play wow for the graphics mate

[lilac stag]

The original is better than the t5

[heady helm]

we play wow becaseu we like the shit graphics lol

yes

[shrewd lantern]

t5 and merciless are the same

[heady helm]

merciless is a banger uluar set with firelands purple dagger is a banger

ulduar

yes bloodfang armor is so sick

if you had blood fang armor on ppl would not fuck with you

[shrewd lantern]

bloodfang looks good on one race

or rather

much better on

[heady helm]

classic and tbc were something else you would simply see someone in some gear and just go ooopppe nope ima walk the other way

[lilac stag]

My human running around with CTS, the claw OH and full bloodfang def got looks

[heady helm]

for sure

[shrewd lantern]

on og vanilla yeah

[heady helm]

fuckin i played disc leveled as disc in classic

[lilac stag]

that’s all that matters

[shrewd lantern]

Gonna wheel you into the retirement home

[heady helm]

teenage idiot i was

[lilac stag]

Classic was lulz for lulz

[heady helm]

just gnomish death raying ppl mind control capping them off mountains and shit for fun

[lilac stag]

who’s the dumdum. The ones playing the game when it was fresh or those new to a 12+ year old game.

[heady helm]

dueling opp factions then having another friend rogue or feral druid stealthed to kill them after the duel some sinister things

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yay-si-cool-dope-gif-3965414047141135271

[lilac stag]

It’s kinda crazy they’re trying to set gameplay back to that era. Idk enjoy Xbox live

[heady helm]

i think nostalgia is what they are trying to sell

[lilac stag]

Xbox is boomer box?

Or they trying to capture zoomer suckers like they just discovered deftones on tiktok

[tulip gorge]

is it normal to get outbursted by BM hunter?

[chrome palm]

when they reroll to mm, yeah

[tulip gorge]

sub used to burst so hard

now devoker mops the floor with us

[chrome palm]

sub does burst so hard

bm should not be close to sub burst

on oab dev will open a lot harder because theres adds at the start though

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[tulip gorge]

damn I fell off hard

[shrewd lantern]

Rare hack: tricks the devoker

[brittle plinth]

Opening as sub is followed by anxiety of trying to stop the gap closing before your next big cds

[tulip gorge]

yeah the bm hunter was actually mm

mb

but still once my burst is done I fall of so quick

[random hare]

yo

[tulip gorge]

it's crazy

[random hare]

sub gamers

i need a quick one

is depths always better on pure st

[hazy breach]

Nah its about the same now

[random hare]

for last boss rook which u recommend

i just stick to radiant?

or 1x radi + 1x depth

[lilac stag]

depths more consistent. Still looking to roll radiant during cds so more rng

sim the enchants with whatever your fight length is

[tulip gorge]

I think I know why my burst could suck on mugzee

i think the boss gets moved out of my sec tech

[void ocean]

what a sad night, my fellow sub rogues

[graceful crown]

TFD should be changed for "if you dont attack in 6 seconds..." instead "remaining out of combat for 6 seconds"

[tulip gorge]

what's so sad about it

[tulip gorge]

tfd should straight up just reset when combat ends

[graceful crown]

yeah that too

[haughty mural]

Aww was just checking in for a new pin

[tulip gorge]

what is the point of that minigame

[void ocean]

had 16-17th dps on Vexie HC and my rl forgot to log 😦

[haughty mural]

But there is none

[lilac stag]

“Upon entering stealth” fixed

[haughty mural]

[tulip gorge]

making vanish an actual CD?

[haughty mural]

Are you telling me it’s that easy ?

[lilac stag]

Log. Your. Damn. Self.

[haughty mural]

[void ocean]

i forgot... I had 5.3M...

would beat sappuchino with 3 ilvls less, thats a big deal 😄

[haughty mural]

I literally intend my last mythic vexxie as I potted on pull

[lilac stag]

auto log is your friend

[haughty mural]

[void ocean]

and after that rl on cauldron wasnt in my grp, i lost like 500k dps and still got 94 😄

[tulip gorge]

yeah that's the issue, I checked the logs of other sub rogues and they straight up start with flag

[void ocean]

where is this toaster, gotta take a shower quickly

[tulip gorge]

I was doing the shadowstep - eviscerate - vanish - flag thing

[lilac stag]

Draw a bath if you’re going to do it.

[void ocean]

naa, that would kill me fast, i just wanna sparks of pain

[haughty mural]

But sectech follows your target, no?

[tulip gorge]

no, I think it's just an area where you casted it

[haughty mural]

Huh

[swift tinsel]

it does to an extent

[tulip gorge]

but I could be wrong

[swift tinsel]

follows, that is

unless its a very fast displacement

[tulip gorge]

I will try the opener without vanish to see if there is a difference

I really hope they take a look on rogue in 11.2

[lilac stag]

Why are you vanishing in opener?

[haughty mural]

You shouldn’t vanish in opener imo

[swift tinsel]

there's no point

[lilac stag]

You vanish after first go

[void ocean]

i mean u can, its just not gain

[lilac stag]

For CDR

[haughty mural]

Just delays it opener

[tulip gorge]

idk I read the opener at the start of the season

and I just kept doing it

[lilac stag]

lol

[tulip gorge]

[lilac stag]

Hi my is change

[swift tinsel]

ew

[lilac stag]

I come here often

[tulip gorge]

once assa got buffed I stopped playing sub

[void ocean]

worst part is, makes bigger time diff between flag and blades, so the first burst after that u gotta delay flag a few sec

[tulip gorge]

and didn't stay updated

[void ocean]

i mean, i think vanish was out of rota in first week or so

out of opener*

[swift tinsel]

I pretty much stopped vanishing during ptr stuff

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/allow-me-to-introduce-myself-perform-sing-sing-for-me-crowd-pleaser-gif-14742494

[swift tinsel]

and it was the same

[lilac stag]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tulip gorge]

yeah the guide definitely got updated lol

does the symbols prepull thing also work in raid?

[lucid jackal]

Yes

[tulip gorge]

do the supercharger combo points ever expire?

[lucid jackal]

Nope

[tulip gorge]

good to know, thanks

[void ocean]

once tho

[hazy breach]

It resets you down to 2 whenever you pull a boss

So you cant prestack more than that

[tulip gorge]

yeah, I noticed that on outlaw at the start of m+

never bothered to do the trick in raid

[lilac stag]

You can also Sectech on wipe

[hazy breach]

Disorienting strikes also doesnt reset on death or anything

[tulip gorge]

hold up, we now shadowblades before sec tech?

[hazy breach]

And it doesnt have a timer

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

Either works

[tulip gorge]

at least that

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[void ocean]

i keep tellin ppl to macro sb and sec tech and forget about it 😄

[tulip gorge]

I usually just sec tech and immediately after press my sb + trinket macro

[void ocean]

sure but u can put all 3 of those in a macro

in any order u want

[tulip gorge]

fair enough

[void ocean]

i pop trinket and blades before sec tech with my macro

[graceful crown]

@vale pine

[lilac stag]

What?

oh what’s the troll racial called?

[heady helm]

Berserking

[void ocean]

ppl play trolls?

[lilac stag]

lol wtf plays troll

[bleak night]

[heady helm]

Troll is master race

[graceful crown]

haha i know just that the guide is so beautiful

that ticks me

[shrewd lantern]

yeah troll racial kind of useless

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-dungeon-harrypotter-gif-5157432

[shrewd lantern]

just macro it to anything honestly

[lilac stag]

He’s just trying to save people from making a moronic race decision.

[shrewd lantern]

You know your race is bad when its worse than vulpera

[heady helm]

troll is better than vulpera for dmg in all rogue specs hello?

[void ocean]

vulpera has its own issues

[heady helm]

vulpera is bottom of the list for sub lol

[lilac stag]

we banish you to #assassination as a Vulpera, right @heady dragon

[void ocean]

cause ppl who play vulpera are bottom

[heady helm]

i swapped from tauren to undead just for my nostalgic asthetic

[void ocean]

yea, its jaw droppin

[swift tinsel]

atomic recalibrator ftw

[shrewd lantern]

If you could play old undead model

I'd be inclined to agree.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/go-leave-me-alone-golden-girls-you-have-to-go-now-rose-gif-22287138

[shrewd lantern]

Old undead models+chinese wow client

infinitely better

[heady helm]

if they buff touch of the grave yall gonna be jealous

[swift tinsel]

undead male gets the devilock hairstyle

so they're op

[heady helm]

the fears in DFC no sweat off my back

[shrewd lantern]

Undead was ironically the worst simming race

when i ran it 3 days ago

[heady helm]

undead swing animation is still goated

no one picks based on racial pick on what you want to play none of us are in race to world first

maybe race to world last

Trolls get old just lookin at them toes and no capes or back pieces look good

well stand up troll is decent

[shrewd lantern]

playing a race that has proper back posture

aka not 90% of horde

[heady helm]

so i almost 2 chested a dfc as assa with a fire mage and an aug evoker gapped the mage by 1 mil overall....then i get in a 15 ML and we miss timimg by like 15 seconds....healer died twice early hunter died twice early and they fucked around and missed pillar drop on last boss 3 fucking times

healer tells me to be nice whne mid fight in chat im like lol wtf are you guys actuallly doing?

[heady dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-15323150284858550332

[heady dragon]

you literally play SUB rogue

jfc

[heady helm]

lul

[void ocean]

its short of substantial 😄

[vale pine]

oh, let me check

think i had the wrong spell id, will fix in a sec

[void ocean]

cause we gigachads

[vale pine]

thanks 👍

[graceful crown]

u welcome :D

[lilac stag]

ty for not disappointing.

[heady dragon]

[brisk hare]

what is good damage overall in DFC as sub?

[heady helm]

depends on key level and groujp comp and tank pacing

[brisk hare]

+!2

[heady helm]

3 mil overalll is good in 12 keys i think

are you first or last or middle in yuour group? are you getting gapped?

[shrewd lantern]

3m sounds low post turboboost

but yeah dependent on run

[void ocean]

U cant ask ppl that

[shrewd lantern]

Dfc for assa is like 5m post turbo boost

idk for sub

[heady helm]

its a perfectly oki question

he didnt notate his gear or the key level lol...some keys as sub i do 3mil overall in 15s some keys i do 5 mil overall just depends

[tulip gorge]

isn't 3 mil low dps

[heady helm]

assa keys i can do 6 mil overall or i can do 3.5 mil outalw keys are the same

in a key overall?

[tulip gorge]

yes

[heady helm]

it all depends on group comp

and dungeon

[tulip gorge]

nah no way

[shrewd lantern]

3mil is kinda low

[heady helm]

3 mil overall is fine in 12 keys

if everyone does 3 mil overall in a 12 keys its smooth run

[void ocean]

Its like single dagger dps... 🤣 Lol jk

[heady helm]

i do 12 keys wat 660 ilvl

[haughty mural]

When first created my rogue way way way back then it was a troll

Thought they were cool

But that was back in BC

Judge me

[shrewd lantern]

That was a lifetime ago

[heady helm]

you tend to have an elitist attitude and you dont even play all of the rogue specs

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i’ve played everything

sorry i dont play the meme that is killing spree

[heady helm]

youve legit said you dont play sub....any class is playable to 17 keys lol

any spec

[shrewd lantern]

I’ve played sub

literally last week

[void ocean]

U should be ashamed

[shrewd lantern]

also played a buttload in s1

and df

sub isnt that bad that it only does 3m in a pug where assa can do 5m

[graceful crown]

is sad

when MM outdps you in bursts windows and has an aoe much better overall

[tulip gorge]

well you forgot this important detail

I was comparing to a fully geared 680 ilvl character

[heady helm]

you are comparing when there is no need to compare

some random guy asked what is good sub dmg in a 12 dfc that is all

you guys need to stop riding my D*ck

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah good sub damage

[void ocean]

42, as usual

[shrewd lantern]

3m isnt good

[tulip gorge]

yeah 3m is low

[lilac stag]

You can say dick

[heady helm]

sure sure when 3 mil overall gets by smoothly in a 12

sure the numbers are terrible

must do giga pump

over gear the dungeon

[void ocean]

Cause its pride month?

[shrewd lantern]

Brother confuses good for “satisfactory”

[heady helm]

nah its mens health awareness month

[shrewd lantern]

[heady helm]

xiani you have issues man

go play the game and push some keys

[lilac stag]

or go outside and enjoy the fresh air

[shrewd lantern]

I’m not going for title whats the point

[heady helm]

yeah you arent going for title becasue you dont have the capabilities here we go the point is to push as high as you can to better yourself...you are being egotisitcal

rob too 3 mil overal is low dps

it times 12s and 14s lmao

[shrewd lantern]

capabilities

imagine only doing keys and capped out at 14

[heady helm]

is that you?

must be tough

[void ocean]

Guys can we all chill

[shrewd lantern]

getting ego’ed by an unc is wild

[heady helm]

i carry a ww in a 15 mech were he did 2.5 mil overall and i was doing 5 as assa its like group dependant man

[heady helm]

xiani is a troll and wont get off my jock

[bleak night]

[brazen meadow]

I mean why push if you aren’t going to title. Xiani is right

[heady helm]

why raid if you arent going to get CE

[shrewd lantern]

Either way the guy asked whats good dps

[heady helm]

why play if you arent race to world first yup ryz it all makes sense

[shrewd lantern]

time a key= / = good

[void ocean]

Then u can always prove ur greatness by stopping first... Just suggestion

[brazen meadow]

Why would you mythic raid without trying for CE 🤣

[void ocean]

We should all rejoice, sub got buffed, fights r gettin shorter, we r not fighting tanks for dps

Sun is shining

Birds r chripin

Life is good

[swift tinsel]

Tanmaxing time

[heady helm]

life is great as a rogue right now

[swift tinsel]

need to min/max my sun exposure

[heady helm]

all 3 specs viable into title range in m+

[brazen meadow]

Yeah but why do that when we have bad opinions like “play the game because it’s fun and good” in performance based content

[heady helm]

raids need rogues for our entropic poisons good shit

[swift tinsel]

bout to hit up a wine and charcuterie bar after work

[void ocean]

Entropy is not what it used to be

[heady helm]

and if you can play all three specs well you get to swap for niche things and do even better gotta love it

[twilit phoenix]

had to scroll all the way up to read the exchange

lmao it got so heated out of nowhere

[swift tinsel]

nah you just gotta jump in mid-convo and stir the pots

omg lashga got banned?!

[void ocean]

Wut

[heady helm]

bro if your not 683 ilvl you arent getting into my 12 key shit im not pushing m+ you just have to do 5 mil overall or you aint gettin an invite

total sarcasm btw

[bleak night]

twice

[swift tinsel]

wait he came back

persistent

[void ocean]

Like Kim Kardashian

[bleak night]

ye came back on another account and whispyr double tapped him

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i would hope someone asking what is “good dps”

isnt 20 ilvl below the max

[swift tinsel]

now he can hang in forums with Xaeth and Mafic

[brazen meadow]

Too bad this is partially true

[shrewd lantern]

thats a bad picture

[void ocean]

Why

[heady helm]

you see these guys they just dont stop

[shrewd lantern]

what’d he do

did he get political

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[void ocean]

About?

[swift tinsel]

apparently made some comments about the logo

[bleak night]

he was not a fan of rainbows

[twilit phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

rip the goat

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

[heady helm]

there wouldnt be a rogue discrod if everyone knwew what the y were doing just saying there would be no need for guides or anything

[shrewd lantern]

I cant give my homie quake backshots in peace

smh

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-rainbow-gif-18913403

[heady helm]

andyone asking about a dps or anything in discord needs help not to be looked down upon

[shrewd lantern]

telling someone 3m in full gear is good is not helpful

[void ocean]

God damn it

[heady helm]

how do you know if he was full gear why dont you stop Xiani just stop you told him you dont play sub and then you told him misinformation

please just stop

[swift tinsel]

typically its assumed people are fairly well-geared

unless otherwise stated

so its a fair supposition

[twilit phoenix]

i just don't get what we're malding about

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah its generally assumed to be

[shrewd lantern]

me either

[heady helm]

we all know what assumptions do lol

make assumptions make an ass out of yourself gg no re

[shrewd lantern]

guy’s partly malding because i said i refuse to play the meme that is killing spree

[heady helm]

you are just making stuff up idc

[lilac stag]

no one cares what you will or won’t play

you want to run Fatebound assa go have fun!

[shrewd lantern]

no one wants to do this

[lilac stag]

Want to play Aug? Go frolic young dragoon

[void ocean]

Ds sub? Uninstall

[swift tinsel]

Aug is so back guys

[shrewd lantern]

Can someone pull up

the updated bug list

for ds sub

[molten citrus]

[swift tinsel]

!bugs

[twilit phoenix]

DS sub

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[swift tinsel]

lingering darkness not buffing sectech is criminal

but also makes us less likely to play DS so it can stay

[shrewd lantern]

”rogue players really like bladeflurry right? Lets give it to all specs”

[swift tinsel]

inb4 they make the s3 tier set massively favor Poopstalker

[void ocean]

Next patch, shadowstrike from stealth hits up to five targets for 2.6 seconds

[shrewd lantern]

wasnt that

the sepoopoo set

[swift tinsel]

sepulcher set

yeah

[void ocean]

Not at the same time

[swift tinsel]

rando cleave and blades uptime

85%

[shrewd lantern]

”no rl i will not press feint i am dancing 4x in a row”

getmeout.jpg

[graceful crown]

its important in raid bosses stay behind them? or its whatever?

i never worried about this things as outlaw xD

[heady helm]

trickster doesnt get parried

[graceful crown]

ohh alright thank you

[heady helm]

yw

[graceful crown]

if they are fazed that is, right?

if i miss or get parried i get less energy right?

[heady helm]

id have to reread the hero talents

[graceful crown]

so it is better to attack from behind

[heady helm]

for trickster

to the side or behind sure

[graceful crown]

alright

[twilit phoenix]

yeah you should be trying to be behind as much as possible for FW uptime

you're losing damage by losing FW uptime

[heady helm]

i remember when they took away positional requirments on backstab and shred for feral druids lol

now parry is still a thing and they re cooked it in to talents i see

[crystal kraken]

On Mythic Mugzee, would it be better for me to get first jail or be out of it? Purely DMG wise.

I know if I'm in it I don't get targeted by frost shatter

[lilac stag]

It doesn’t matter

You’re holding flag 2-3 seconds after you dip in fire

As long as you’re out by then

It’s easier to not be in jail

[haughty mural]

You still want to cuz FW

Oops somnius said it already

Ignore me

[graceful crown]

haha okay

[graceful crown]

RL said that i need to change to my outlaw for prog instead using subtlety because i stood out more with him.

i got tilted for real xD

[twilit phoenix]

outlaw for prog

[graceful crown]

idk

guess is my fault

rik reverb M btw

meh

3 days playing with subtlety and he saw it today

gj

[heady helm]

lol did you tell him you will play what you want?

[graceful crown]

i said to him that i felt offended

thats all

but i will play whatever i want

and if he doesnt want me i wont go to prog

[twilit phoenix]

play trickster outlaw on sprocket prog

[graceful crown]

i always am top 1 dps of the guild and i have to stand up for 1M-1.3M dps players in our guild

and i cant do "less" dmg?

xD

[proper latch]

Still losing sleep over this Sprocket log

[graceful crown]

im saying less dmg, but still nearly top 1 as a sub, so...

[heady helm]

that just means your guild is not that good

[graceful crown]

yep

thats what tilt me the most

they are good people and friendly

but wtf

[heady helm]

i mean there are always 2 scenarios to raiding in guilds....be the best in yoru friend group or push yourself and alwasy try to get in better guilds

if truly progression is what you aim for

[graceful crown]

i am the one who has the most rio by far and nearly always top 1, and i cant change the spec for prog

urgh

[heady helm]

lol you can play wahtever you want you pay for the game

your raid leader is obviously a clown

[graceful crown]

dh that doesnt even have a +17

tank

[proper latch]

I'm in this situation right now. People are nice and friendly but just bad. Can't really think how to explain that I want to leave

[heady helm]

its simple really

[proper latch]

First season raiding and I don't really know how guild stuff works

[heady helm]

you say hey guys its been fun and its been cool but i feel like i can better myself in a more compettive environment were the ppl push themselves to be better more consistently

guilds of wow woprogress to find suitable guilds

[graceful crown]

and i was always helping people for low m+ to equip them, progressing myself for rio and helping non stop with HC raids

hey dont play sub for prog

come with outlaw

[heady helm]

yeah mirannda you invested a lot

[graceful crown]

u serious?

[proper latch]

They gave me HoC on the first week when I still was a trial. And they constantly say how good I am

[heady helm]

i mean id tell him to have someone else beat you on the meters and then worry about what spec you play

[proper latch]

I'll get my first CE with them and leave after

[heady helm]

they stroke yhour ego if you are a quiet and good player if you have an ego like me its whatever

[proper latch]

We hit 32% on Mug today so I think we'll get CE

[graceful crown]

yeah i have ego myself, but this guys tilted me

[heady helm]

im more happy just puggin the first 2-3 with pickup shitter guilds than i am being in a guild and trying to prog lmao

[graceful crown]

i shouldnt even be top 1 in raid with outlaw man

and i always am

like wtf

[heady helm]

you are definetly a medium sized fish in a small pond at this point lol

[graceful crown]

yeah...

[heady helm]

but im not the best to take advice from when it comes to guilds lol im just in a multi server giant guild for the luls we doing fishing tourny as a group on saturdays haha

[graceful crown]

i needed to get it off my chest

[heady helm]

they are all bad and old and the most m+ they do are like 3+ lmao

even group up and do garden farming wednesdays

So im free to push m+ and pug first few in raid on mythic and if i have alts or get bored and want to go do achievment runs or mog runs or mount runs or whatever they have ppl doing events all the time its so chill lol

[graceful crown]

ah thats nice

[heady helm]

well there is an uh dk in my guild with 3850 io then two ppl with 3350 then me with almost 3300 io

[graceful crown]

i stopped weeks ago with 3460 as outlaw and im trying as a sub

but is more difficult to get into keys

[heady helm]

oh i been pushing with all 3 for this reset will make 6 weeks lol

as sub?

[graceful crown]

for me yes

[heady helm]

you just gotta find the off meta andy's

i been running things like frost dk sub fire mage lmao

and timing 15s haha

[graceful crown]

haha thats cool fr

[heady helm]

ran aug fire mage assa with a mistweaver monk and a guardian druid lmao

[graceful crown]

my guild plays meta and cant get into 3300 rio

so

[heady helm]

rofl its almost as if you just play 1 class and get really good at it

[graceful crown]

i needed to play for myself

haha

[heady helm]

its better than toon swapping its takes real talent to play multiple classes at a high level

[graceful crown]

yeah

if lucky meta changes every season

[heady helm]

outlaw is so fun

[graceful crown]

i like outlaw a lot

but sometimes i dont get into keys because it doesnt have burst

[heady helm]

yeah the more you play the better you get right? so keep playing your rogue get good with all three specs..I love outlaw and assa is cool cuz its good if it didnt pump i wouldnt play it but sub is pretty fun even though its middle of the pack but on rookery and mechagon sub is goated

i was doing like 11 mil overall with sub in motherloade yesterday up until the second boss then wipe and everyone left

i mean...there are always meta snobs

[graceful crown]

im loving sub playstyle, u need to think and timing everything

[heady helm]

And they dont realize that anything is playable into 17keys

[graceful crown]

but with outlaw u need fast reactions

[heady helm]

which is right at around title range

[graceful crown]

is completely different

[heady helm]

yeah thats a good thing about rogue right now

[graceful crown]

yeah this is the thing

[heady helm]

assa is slow methodical and monitoring targets, outlaw is all reaction based, sub is planning and cooldown managment

[graceful crown]

i think as a sub or rogue in general if i play solo, with resi 16 i should just do my keys

and try

[heady helm]

yeah it cant hurt but certain keys like cinderbrew, and i think priory may be not so great

[graceful crown]

i tried assa 2 or 3 times and if it werent for its ST i would like it a lot

but i get boring at bosses

a lot

[heady helm]

did you try the cleave/hubrid build with KB?

[graceful crown]

bleed only

[heady helm]

i mean in bleed build i do like 1.8-2.2 mil dependingy

ah yeah gotta try the other builds

Rogue is in a great spot and how easy it is to get/craft gear trying all the specs and mastering your class is a good thing to do...tellyour raid lead he needs to beat ou on the meters before he can tell you what spec to play

[graceful crown]

haha yep

[heady helm]

looking at your meters you linked nothing you do will raise the price of rice in china

[graceful crown]

nah, i will continue playing as a sub, im learning this gameplay and loving it

if he doesnt want me to play sub

well, get another top 1

: D

[heady helm]

XD

wait until next raid when they buff/fix sub and we get more burst windows and dmg amps and sub is just the main raid spec

thats what im hoping for at least i been taking sub into 12 keys and smashing things

ill probably even play sub in my 16 rook key lol

[graceful crown]

yeah the thing is that there is less merit if we got buffs and became meta or something

the thing i like is stand out with offmeta classes

[heady helm]

idk about less erit

i mean i generally just play A tier classes and hope they miss the nerf bat and when the s tier classes get hit we rise up the ladder a bit

[graceful crown]

and if the class is more difficult the better

thats a good perspective too

[heady helm]

its pure insanity that they double buffed us by accident with a what 9% dmg increase overall and sub rose 18 spots on the meters and still wasnt in the top 5????

[graceful crown]

yeah, thats crazy

[heady helm]

then instantly took the mistaken buff away lol

[graceful crown]

is ridiculous

sub as it is, can have 10% dmg increase right now and i have doubts we will be tier S

as our utility is shit

[heady helm]

well 10% on top of what just happened would in fact put them in s tier range

[graceful crown]

rogue utility in general is shit

[heady helm]

whoa whoa rogue utility is still pretty decent

[graceful crown]

we dont have group passive buffs or actives

aoe that gets canceled instant

[heady helm]

mind numbing poison is pretty nice

[graceful crown]

ah assassination

well thats nearly meta

haha

i was talking as outlaw and sub

[heady helm]

aoe blind is still really good

[graceful crown]

is not bad but...

[heady helm]

outlaw is pretty much top of a tier in keys with feral and assa

[graceful crown]

yeah outlaw is very good and versatile

but still

what people wants is CC and burst dmg in this season

except very few groups that go for a phys comp

[heady helm]

generally you always want at least 1 dps that does constant dmg

like ret/bm/outlaw/demo lock/frost mage/fury war usually one of these classes is always taken in some sort of comp maybe not the top top comp lol

[graceful crown]

im always looking for +17s and 90-95% of comps are dh-healer-chicken-uh and arcane

[heady helm]

yeah ive noticed lol

[graceful crown]

because its easier

[heady helm]

its just because thats whats easiest

[graceful crown]

yeah

[heady helm]

yeah to handle the bigger pulls, however, other comps work for sure just have to change the routes up a bit

not pulling more than 7-8 targets for the phys comps and things like that

[graceful crown]

with pugs thats very difficult

[heady helm]

its all on the tanks you know? those groups that say need boomy dh dk usually just not that great of players

[graceful crown]

yep

the 17s i have done, chikens or uh sucked hard and mages so so

but they have utility and keys can be done if u do the dps u need to do haha

[heady helm]

oh for sure i usually have been going with a no wizards rule

uh dk is the most boring thing ive ever touched this season

[graceful crown]

i guess ill go for my keys, i dont like it a lot because is slower, but atleast i dont have to wait 3h to play

[heady helm]

hit outbreak with cds and then alternating between epidemic and vampiric strike puke and just never dieing its quite boring

[graceful crown]

yeah dk

gets nerfed and even tier S

sub cant get buffed

:- )

blizz logic

[heady helm]

i made a arcane mage got him to 2800 and 667 ilvl in 2 weeks and now its just finishing the 12 keys but like....idk if that juice is worth the squeeze mot tanks dont know how to pull properly and mage isnt fun until 14 keys or higher for things to live long enough

id break out my feral skills but...i play rogue already lmao

[graceful crown]

haha i did a feral 668 too

but got bored

[heady helm]

yeah same lmao

[graceful crown]

idk why its like rogue but a mix of everything

meh

[heady helm]

yeah just with convoke for insane burst but thats is a two expansion old button

[graceful crown]

assa aoe, sub burst and all but still didnt like it too much

[heady helm]

i loved feral in cata'mop then i was released from playing druid lmao

made two rogues a warrior a warlock and a couple of monks in mop and never looked at druid again after doing the challenge mode dungones haha

[graceful crown]

hahaha

[heady helm]

i got like 6 fuckin druids lmao

[graceful crown]

wow

[heady helm]

i always level them and get them in lfr or normal gear and then im like eh fuck this class played it way too mcuh

its like why play boomkin when you can play mage or lock why play feral when you can play rogue....resto is rarely ever the god tier healer, and guardian is pretty damn boring when you can play prot war/ prot pal/ dk or dh lol

[graceful crown]

yeah

it happens to me too

boomkin is really really boring

druids in general (for me) are the most boring specs of all hahaa

feral is not bad, but i always played rogue so

[graceful osprey]

I enjoy playing feral, especially in pvp, just bleed everything

[heady helm]

yeah feral was always fun in pvp until you play rogue then if you pvp a lot you are at the mercy of meta lol

[tidal copper]

Are Assassination v Sub just personal preference or do I follow what sims higher for me or just flip a coin?

[upbeat sorrel]

Mostly just personal preference

Sub sims a little bit higher for me but doesn't perform as well in raid for me

[short radish]

always do personal preference

fuck sheeps

wait not like that

[tame stratus]

just personal pref, pretty sure even pre buff sub simmed consistently higher

[frank narwhal]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[brittle plinth]

Found the kiwi

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[twilit phoenix]

A bit fight dependent as well this tier

Sin better for mugzee cuz of the long execute

Love u babs

[lilac stag]

Not so much anymore

You’re not getting 2 DMs any more

[twilit phoenix]

Tbf I haven’t played since well before turbo boost

[tribal blade]

i just found out i'm the highest parsing raider in my guild today

[twilit phoenix]

I’m sure fights have gotten way shorter

[tribal blade]

woooo

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[lilac stag]

yeah assa 📉 with kill times.

execute phase just disappearing on a lot of the bosses

[tribal blade]

i noticed that too

on locken this week i was barely able to get off final DM+KB during execute before he died

so with additional raid buffs it's not gonna be possible unless half the raid dies

[lilac stag]

imagine still playing assa on rekills

[tribal blade]

haha i've been playing both 😉

but sin is nice because you barely need to think about cds

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bullshit-gif-25974927

[tribal blade]

i've never lied once in my life

except when i'm lying

which is all the time

[lilac stag]

Performance anxiety with second rogue in raid.

[tribal blade]

haha i feel that

[lilac stag]

We’re playing rotating bench dps on mugzee because our one dk has aol for his internet.

I’m looking to orange parse on Goon dmg

[bleak night]

guild is suddenly trying to hard force skipping second gaols when we just dont have the dps for it

good times

[tribal blade]

the boss just kinda falls over now if you play clean

[bleak night]

if we played clean we wouldnt be progging mugzee 16 weeks in

[tribal blade]

ohhh progging gotcha

[short radish]

time to assert dominance

[lilac stag]

Not me. @tribal blade

ain’t no one wanna touch rogue in my guild. lol

[short radish]

who wants more th an 1 rogue anyway

who wants more than 0 rogue anyway

[serene notch]

parse a 99....still get omega gapped T_T

[pastel rampart]

key logging being weirdge aside

u only got a 70

[serene notch]

true

[rigid pasture]

bring back sepulcher tier set for next season

this sht boring af

[tepid trellis]

imma politely have to ask you to refrain from saying such heinous stuff

[lilac stag]

Go back to outlaw channel

[bleak night]

[tribal blade]

honestly can you imagine how insane the sepulcher tier set would be with our current sub tool kit

[lilac stag]

can you imagine how insane blood gems would be with sepulcher tier and current sub tool kit?

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[short radish]

wtf are blood gems

[upbeat sorrel]

From a dark dark time

[left ledge]

Can you imagine if they just gave us edge of night as a capstone instead of goremaw

[dry plank]

Can you imagine if they would start to design a spec instead of throwing stuff here and there

[left ledge]

Nah I can’t actually

[lilac stag]

Just give us the actual goremaws with the WM interaction.

Replace the rotten with edge of night

[brisk onyx]

ye time to get EoN

[vale pine]

Eon 2.0

[cloud rover]

Is this a Lie or truth

I DONT KNOW

[tribal blade]

that's the fun part

[vestal escarp]

.2 ptr when?

[keen dome]

I imagine 11.2 gets it's announcement at the xbox games thing this week (today?) and it's up on monday or something

[hollow spear]

They will remove all keybinds

Backstab on X, Eviscerate on Y, Rupture on A and Shadowblades on B

[vestal escarp]

Erm brother

❎ ⏹️ 🔺 ⭕

[misty tinsel]

Hello fellas im a new rogue I fell in love with sub spec, I just have one question with shadow dance I miss a combo builder aoe from stealth

Do u guys just shadowtrike -> Black Powder ?

or fuck bonus stealth and u use Shuriken storm ?

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[short radish]

check the wowhead guide first

it will answer your questions

[vale pine]

wow on xbox sounds interessting

image that, wow on a console

[misty tinsel]

ty helps a bit

[keen dome]

It's just the event name iirc

[hollow spear]

Hey, go away with your facts

I'm trying to doom here

[vale pine]

i know, i just like to think wow turns into a console game

[hollow spear]

That'd just be the first step

Mobile gaming is where it's at

WoW Immortal

39,99 € to skip Horrific Visions - get your enchantment immediately!

[vale pine]

gforce now is the mobile version

[rocky ocean]

[high isle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sweet turret]

quick question, which keys is sub currently completing and what groups is he performing good at?

[remote shuttle]

Theater feels very good for TFD users

[tribal blade]

2nd half of rookery, workshop and top

[hazy breach]

Good at candle king too

in DFC, and thats like half the key

[tribal blade]

true!

@hazy breach looks like they fixed the dagger tech in top

[hazy breach]

Darn

[tribal blade]

can't use it at max lvl anymore

[hazy breach]

Unluck

[tribal blade]

i'm honestly surprised at how quickly they discovered and fixed that

[leaden prairie]

wasnt it used in sl

[tribal blade]

oh was it?

[leaden prairie]

I think so ye

[tribal blade]

i thought people just found out about it now

ah ok

[leaden prairie]

so sad

now i have to reroll outlaw

to be able to one shot people in the arena

..

[hazy breach]

Oh the misery

[tribal blade]

i just lose every time because mark stays on boss

unless the person i'm dueling has literally 0 damage

[tidal chasm]

easy solution

play sub

[leaden prairie]

mark?

[hazy breach]

Sub is not particularly good at that boss

[leaden prairie]

outlaw is crazy just cause you play magnet trinket

one shot everyt ime

kinda poggers !

[tidal chasm]

better than assa tho

[hazy breach]

I mean ye you can instantly delete somebody downstairs

But then you come up

And do 0 damage

[tidal chasm]

i feel like surely its gotta be worth the time it takes or close to it at least but yeah i know

[hazy breach]

Or you have somebody kill you because your cds are up

So you come up and do your cds with the damage debuff

[vestal escarp]

Solution: 3 charges for dance 4 for sod

[hazy breach]

More charges

[vestal escarp]

Even more legit solution: get dance charges at start of content calculated on content lenght

Top? 36 dance charges at bubble down

[warm marlin]

i wonder if its worth playing magnet + hoc in that dungeon just to kill people in the duel now that the toy is fixed

[round latch]

what is the dagger tech supposed to be in ToP?

[alpine wraith]

you break someone's skull with it

[tribal blade]

there was this mop item you could use to kill yourself, it shouldn't have still been working at max lvl but it was

and you could use it on xav to instantly end duels

[round latch]

ah ye

[tribal blade]

by using it on yourself and dropping to 1 hp

[round latch]

i thought u meant like wpn swapping etc

yup yup

[tribal blade]

oh no haha

[round latch]

the jinji knife

[tribal blade]

no cursed outlaw weapon swapping

yeah yeah

[round latch]

truth is i refuse to lose to anyone when xav sends me in arena

had this mage trade me 2 blocks/at/2blinks and died upstairs

lost arena as well

left after we killed xav

[alpine wraith]

hit them with the cheapshot

into kidney

[velvet nova]

guys is there a huge difference between the correct opener (specifically the 2nd dance without symbols and then using symbols when u can sectec with empowered cp) and delaying dance a couple of globals to just cast it with a dance/macro symbols and still get sectec with empowered cp?

i always wondered this but idk how to check it

[tidal chasm]

yeah it is big, you are losing a lot of damage not using flag + shadowblades to full potential + you will lose your tierset bonus if you even cast 1 evis outside of shadow dance (not really but really)

[hazy breach]

Like 1% or so iirc

Cuz youre wasting like 2 or 3 seconds of your blades and trinket all the time

Either way its definitely not worth

[timid pulsar]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[tribal blade]

LOL

i honestly don't give a shit anymore, i just wanna go back up asap haha

so whoever wins VERY cool we did it together as a unit

well done team

but blowing all your defensives down there is next level

[keen dome]

I just turn around, sit down and pray they get the message

[void ocean]

cause imagine trying to time +10 without a dk 3 months into the patch 😄

[velvet nova]

i didnt think about the potential tier set loss. thanks

[tribal blade]

asking for specific classes for a 10 is CRZY

although whenever i would help guildies get weekly keys done i would always make sure to invite a skyfury bot

no matter if they had horrible IO or not, just so long as they pressed skyfury for me

so some lucky shams got free rides to getting 10s done

[lilac stag]

Got to 3% last night. Next week for sure. Missing our disc priest on Tuesday. 3 healer super speed strat. Kill next week for sure.

We shall see if they move me out of 4 jail duty and I turn into caustic splatter boy

[tribal blade]

you should be yeah

and you can also immune soak during that set

double win

[lilac stag]

yea

What’s funny is the prison I’m in we’re out like 6 seconds ahead of anyone else.

[tribal blade]

ask your RL, if he's smart he'll unassign you

[lilac stag]

I sent it over already

Was log snooping 3 min lust strat

[tribal blade]

yeah if you're doing speed strat you also want one of your highest boss damage specs to stay on the boss

and that's during execute

that's also during a solo KB

you really want to get that solo KB off on the boss not going in a jail so it'll be back up for final DM+KB if the boss is still alive

well it'll be back up regardless, but you wanna actually be hitting the boss with 30% dmg amp

[lilac stag]

Well there’s no way you’re getting a fourth DM off with 5:10 ish kill times

but it's amusing the cleave bascially doubles up your dmg with just KB

[tribal blade]

yeah you just pray enough people die so you can get that final full DM off haha

[lilac stag]

i only pray the boss dies

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[lilac stag]

our tank is gonna have to heal and our ret likely have to tank

weeeeeeeee

[tribal blade]

you're in prog brain and i'm in reclear brain

you right

[tribal blade]

ew gross

wtf

that's also not a simple fight for tanks

[lilac stag]

we shall see

[lilac stag]

ethical goon dmg

[tribal blade]

huge

[lilac stag]

Ret at least knows the movement patterns which is the hard part to learn

[idle aurora]

Can I ask for a clarification

Just to understand

I want the first symbols to run out before using to go into next shadow dance in a flag window for super charger?

And do I always want to dance, symbols, evisc, gloom, sec tec? Or is it fine to dance, symbols, sectec

Trying to break this up into manageable peices in my brain 😄

[chrome palm]

When you use symbols depends on when sec tech is coming off cd

If sec tech is at ~11s on cd (15s with coup de gras up), you can use symbols again with <3s left on its duration for pandemic

In shadow blades, you should always have shadow dance and symbols up, and you should not delay the 2nd sec tech at all

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[idle aurora]

Omg I was way overthinking this

Thank you

It’s do a finisher to make it come off cd then gloom and use

Second go around should have full combos and be up so just send it back to back

[chrome palm]

you shouldnt talent gloomblade generally

its not a strict combo per se

[hazy breach]

Generally the sectech cd makes it so you never really have to think about the <=3 for pandemic

Just using it for sectech lines up pretty well with it anyway

[chrome palm]

i feel like it definitely comes into play if you have sht stacked up a bit

[graceful crown]

this tree sims no difference btw the normal one -0.0%

for me

someone tried that?

this is the normal one

[proper latch]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[idle aurora]

Also idiot again I meant the stealth version of backstab

Mixed up the name

lol so many terms too quickly 😄

[vale pine]

shadowstrike

[frail sierra]

Is there any spreadsheet which shows how much we benefit from each group buff

[crystal kraken]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail sierra]

TY

[graceful crown]

why someone gonna invite to +17 a sub when u have much better options :>

blizz help

[lilac stag]

Remember that joy your found in 14/15s?

Yeah? Just stay there and be happy.

[alpine wraith]

get better friends

or just be like us and say lul m+

[bleak night]

friends dont let friends push keys

[graceful crown]

lul m+ :-)

[vestal escarp]

yeah... lul m+ ....

[soft summit]

Rogues have always had this problem. Any attempt to improve the class/spec however is met with hostility and “it’s fine you need to get gud” so blizzard leaves sub rogues in its sorry state

[graceful crown]

very sad tbh

[brittle plinth]

Lots of grps feel that way even in 10s, when they really shouldn't care at all

[graceful crown]

i hate this set as a sub : ->

[lilac stag]

We’ve had worse.

[oblique grove]

does nimble flurry work on mugzee boxes

[lucid jackal]

nop

Sub still good on that fight if u are doing fast strats

[alpine wraith]

no nimble does not work wit gaols

[wild hornet]

I'm getting pi during mugzee prog, I don't know if I should be happy or sad

[jaunty heath]

?????

Why would anyone even think about giving sub pi, there’s enough specs where even if it’s the worst pilot it’s worth more

[chrome palm]

sub pi bis

[boreal robin]

hey really enjoy Sub atm and i see like 0 of them now adays whats holding us back?

[plush roost]

nope nothing unethical here

[short radish]

The man.

[alpine wraith]

we are ramping dont worry

only need some more years

[steady dune]

i just want to sanity check this, but is the 681 crafted ring better than the circlet?

[keen dome]

If it sims better, sure

[steady dune]

the sims say about a 7k dps increase, but I just want to double check