subtlety

[brittle plinth]

who is the mod? I want to make bad faith arguments to hide my bigotry

[keen dome]

I don't think there's any balance around "We don't like bigots" lmao

[alpine wraith]

yea sorry we dont defend baddies here

unluck

[keen dome]

You are unbelieveably stupid

[leaden prairie]

You are so stupid Omegalul

[alpine wraith]

they can go somewhere else

[leaden prairie]

[native hawk]

ur dented i think

[leaden prairie]

@keen dome 🤝

[keen dome]

If you see people going "Being bigoted to a marginalized group is bad" and decide to argue that, hey, BOTH SIDES.. I'm sorry but you are really fucking stupid

[brittle plinth]

bad faith arguments came soon as I mentioned them lol

[leaden prairie]

Yo

What do you think about Nazism

Idk I'm just curious

[brittle plinth]

if the immediate answer isnt condemnation or offended at the suggestion, you can safely assume support of 😛

Just saying

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-tip-toe-sneak-gif-14828116

as you write each word

this is going to get fun

[leaden prairie]

curious answer

[brittle plinth]

discriminating against what?

[leaden prairie]

against people that discriminate

[native hawk]

idk ur trying to blur the lines against someone being banned for being a bigot

hard to understand what the end goal is here

[brittle plinth]

bad faith argument to hide the underlying point he wants to make

😄

this is internet 101 remedial addition

[keen dome]

It's just a bad faith argument and / or a dogwhistle argument. Slop brains

[brittle plinth]

"but the slippery slooope!"

[patent lichen]

Is he trying to say it's discrimination to bigotry?

[alpine wraith]

yea we are being mean to people that are hateful

the sadness

[patent lichen]

But he's trying to say it subtly?

[lucid jackal]

@spare garnet what do u think of this

[native hawk]

subtlety rogue ...

[twilit phoenix]

Well yeah it’s the sub chat

[lucid jackal]

Any opinions?

[weary saffron]

think he vanished

[twilit phoenix]

Big ronk in the house?

[lilac stag]

Always is

[tepid trellis]

he a certified lurker

[tepid raven]

!ban @spare garnet you don’t need to continue

[lilac stag]

He lurks for doggo pictures

[alpine wraith]

not anymore

[tepid raven]

I was taking a screenshot

For mod chat

[native hawk]

ronk reverb

[leaden prairie]

[alpine wraith]

man though he was teaching the uncultured

[leaden prairie]

banger man

[alpine wraith]

about history

you dont understand people!

[short radish]

What the fuck did i miss

[lilac stag]

My trigger finger on the Ronkley Signal is quick today. I ain’t got no patience for this shit.

[alpine wraith]

someone defending general big bad

[twilit phoenix]

4 days into the month btw

[alpine wraith]

8

?¿

[native hawk]

8?

[alpine wraith]

bans already

[native hawk]

oh xd

[alpine wraith]

i got a message usually i write faster

[short radish]

???????

[twilit phoenix]

I think it’s more like 20 bans

[short radish]

8

Tf

[native hawk]

8 days into the month

[alpine wraith]

might be more that went while i was asleep

[brittle plinth]

he got netherealmed lol

[tepid raven]

[short radish]

Ronkled reverb

[alpine wraith]

and this is sub chat

cant imagine the other 2

must be a bloodbath

[lilac stag]

Ronkels Sectech don’t miss

[leaden prairie]

Well

[patent lichen]

Damn dude, that's enough to make a whole pride of them

[leaden prairie]

The people that got banned in outlaw

I never saw before

Swear they joined just for pride month

[alpine wraith]

they stopped lurking

[tepid trellis]

there is waaaay more lol

[alpine wraith]

just to get hammered

[brittle plinth]

Okay back to sub talk, what do I drop to pick up Exhil in a m+ build? weapon master go bye bye?

[alpine wraith]

ok stealthi confirms

we are on double digits

you never drop exhil

da fuq

[lilac stag]

jesus. Lashga back

[brittle plinth]

u red wel!

[alpine wraith]

yea wm is dog

tfd way better

[brittle plinth]

Ya I dont understand that vanish macro reset

im too dumb

[alpine wraith]

it does not work anymore

[graceful crown]

yay im happy

<3

[brittle plinth]

+1 idiots

I win

[alpine wraith]

you can still vanish to reset tfd but you cant do the macro to keep hitting

so it is situational like before

still quite strong

[lilac stag]

How is aggression with CDs going?

[graceful crown]

rookery 15 was

[brittle plinth]

wowhead guide doesnt have exhil for m+, im trying to sneak it in.

[graceful crown]

its cool whenever i see 20s left for big CDs and 1 and half charge of 2nd shadow dance i stop bursting with dance and symbols

[tepid trellis]

its exil vs eph bond

[graceful crown]

without worrying on set buffs

[graceful osprey]

With the recent buff, I did notice that my damage seemed a bit chonkier… could be better but it is nice. Still coping for 11.2 tho

[brittle plinth]

my hero ty

[empty cargo]

So you would vanish & stay out of combat for the 6 seconds I’m guessing right before you pop ur CDs?

[patent lichen]

Yes

[graceful crown]

i still dont get that storm and vanish macro neither, still working on it i used it sometimes and the TFD buff starts sometimes it isnt, maybe because im in the middle of something or im autoattacking

[brittle plinth]

can I make it to 2nd st with tfd?!

jk I can figure that out myself

[haughty mural]

Huh

[tepid trellis]

well the macro doesent work anymore afaik

[neon frigate]

Guys i play ML +13 with my wife. My has a little bit trouble with the 2nd boss doding the 2 mobs. She is a Beast Mastery hunter. Can i do something to help her? Does blind or kindney shot work?

[leaden prairie]

wtf

they fixed it ?

[haughty mural]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

usually you do it if pull is slowing down or before some bosses

[leaden prairie]

slow poison

[alpine wraith]

tell people to stop being apes and they can use the totem thingy

kite to one side

then it gets ccd forever

[leaden prairie]

if you mean she has trouble kiting the add

[leaden prairie]

idk if that sgood tho

[neon frigate]

Yeah trouble kiting

[alpine wraith]

well in a 13 dying to getting meleed

[leaden prairie]

I think you need to kill it after a whole

Or

[alpine wraith]

is a bigger problem that the extra dps

nah

only the empowered one needs to be killed

and it always chooses the new one

so just let him cast it once kill that one then cc the other in the corner

with trap or the totem thingy

every time he will cast get 1 new and you kill that one

[leaden prairie]

Play slow poison

Slow poison spread with nimble flurry same as bf right guys

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

want to know?

[neon frigate]

What is the totem thingy? Slow poison thx!

[alpine wraith]

there are 2 totems before the boss

[leaden prairie]

Don't you get like

Too many little ones

I think the stomp damage increase with each add alive

Or something like that

[alpine wraith]

it only spawns 1 at a time if 1 is alive

[leaden prairie]

Ah

Idk I'm clueless

[alpine wraith]

well it is a joke of a boss

so no real need to do it

but if you have 2 of the casters that dont want to move

it is a legit strat

to cc 1 kill 1

[leaden prairie]

What root are you talking about tho

[alpine wraith]

dps increase is high

it is a totem usable that you can get from an npc just before the boss

it is a shaman

[bleak night]

wtf

[alpine wraith]

maybe your mind blocks it but it is there

[leaden prairie]

bro what

[alpine wraith]

he has2

[leaden prairie]

i timed that key in 20

i have no idea

[alpine wraith]

i mean most people ignore it

[leaden prairie]

thats even a thing

[alpine wraith]

well people bitched a lot in bfa

so it got introduced

but most people are decent players and can just kite it or slow it or whatever

but if you have for ex demo and MM

or some shit like that

might as well cc it

[leaden prairie]

i mean idk if its free

it sounds good

[alpine wraith]

azerokk always empowers highest hp one

otherwise you could cheese

so he will just keep empowering the one he spawns

[leaden prairie]

You. Can cheese it actually

Idk how it works exactly

I think it's when you use blind stuffs or roots

I know feral does it ?

It can make it change target and go on the lower hp one

[alpine wraith]

no idea tbh boss is a joke always at my lvl

[leaden prairie]

It scales very roughly

In very high keys

Most bosses with adds of this type do

Cause when you are hitting an add you aren't hitting a boss

So it end up lasting forever

And the adds are a DPS check

Which can be hard to meet

Idk if you watched mdi this season

But it was a struggle for their comp

In ml 23

They have to send cds on adds

Which means boss never dies

[hidden spade]

Does anyone know a way to sim double pyrotechnic needle dropper? raidbots wont let me sim both but im able to equip both in game

[lilac stag]

Add another one in top gear

There’s an input to add items at the top

[hidden spade]

I have both in bags but get a red warning:

[lilac stag]

or if you actually have two are you putting one on each slot?

[hidden spade]

yeah

[lilac stag]

What does the warning tell you?

[native hawk]

you're selecting the same one no?

rather than the one below

[hidden spade]

omg yeah

sorry

[lilac stag]

Add the lower one to Mh

[hidden spade]

im an idiot haha

[lilac stag]

nah sometimes just helps to type it out and feel like it. It’s all good.

[hidden spade]

thanks guys

[lilac stag]

Make sure you change your embellishments

[hidden spade]

yep will do ty

[paper stirrup]

Is the new belt even worth?

[wild hornet]

mugzee mythic still seems like a fight with flag on cd

[opal basalt]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lilac stag]

You delay second flag at least to have cb st also hit dmg amp add

[wild hornet]

Is that amp add the reason there's a 105 second gap between the first two

[lilac stag]

Idk seconds timing. You send it 2-3 seconds after you dip in fire

or you’re stuck in jail like me and send it as soon as you kill add

[wild hornet]

By fire you mean the big aoe soak?

[lilac stag]

No. You should be baiting ice shoes

[wild hornet]

I'm not a velf so I prob won't get sent to them fortunately

[lilac stag]

Between 2 jails

[jaunty heath]

We are so doomed

Why is wowhead making a post

[bright sundial]

wtf 5% is that much nerf incoming

[wild hornet]

10%

Not 5

It was a fake 5

[bright sundial]

wait really so -15% next patch XD

[leaden plover]

Yes 👍🏻

[native hawk]

wowhead slop :(

[vale pine]

its falsified

basically, they added the buff twice

and now the wcl rating is wrong for 2 weeks

[bright sundial]

oh didnt know that havent been looking at dis this week

[vale pine]

before the 9% buff logs get thrown out

wcl decided they don't want to exclude logs pre "nerf"

means we look great for the next 2 weeks

[graceful osprey]

On mugzee, is it better to full send in the beginning or wait for jail first?

[vale pine]

then fall off

[bright sundial]

so next patch we go down 5%? which is intended

[vale pine]

no we already are

wcl just has logs in the statistic which are before the 5% nerf

and given that it uses data from 2 weeks for the statistic

[tepid trellis]

no point in holding

[bright sundial]

gottcha ty for info 🙂

[lilac stag]

Hold second go for cb Sectech on add

[wild hornet]

@lilac stag is that the add you meant earlier?

[limpid sage]

do spare keys seriously not hit gally

when he's on his robot

;-;

[wild hornet]

i stand close to the edge and jump before using keys

just to make sure it hits

[lone halo]

!fuu

[sly shore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vshyu8EKgWjnceTpufgngp

I think I am done with gear for sub

[wild hornet]

btw are there any downsides of having a sstrike/backstab modifier

[vale pine]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

nice

[wild hornet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j5GMw2YtRn4bRVPeAAZFaa
could say the same

[sly shore]

fake echoing void sim!!!!

[ornate heron]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sly shore]

I refuse to believe goon trinket is good

In fact, I know it's not

[wild hornet]

its completely real

that 4k dps is completely true

[sly shore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e4fPP8tUJyGkSoXZRLhRVW

7k!!!

[wild hornet]

(i forgot to take echoing void from the sim)

[sly shore]

sure thing bud

[wild hornet]

but i love making out with my homies

🥲

[sly shore]

[dry plank]

Did they fix echoing void?

[wild hornet]

no

[dry plank]

Simc battle toads

[stiff spear]

Was there a way for us to get out of Mugzee prison? as not void elf

[wild hornet]

evoker rescue

priest grip

i dont think you can time the shadowstpe

[stiff spear]

ok just checking if there was a personal way

[haughty mural]

Why 6 minutes ?

[wild hornet]

gonna do mugzee prog

then gally

then uninstall game

[rocky ocean]

[lilac stag]

Shit as soon as your shaman launches lust prepull

[haughty rose]

sooo, whats the highest rating i could realistically achieve with pugs only? in eu

without switching to assa ofc

[young path]

I’ve pretty much pugged all the way to 3581

I do game with a prot war tank buddy quite a bit

It’s all about volume

Brick tons time few

[hexed sluice]

Im nearly there to 3k with pugging, youll be fine for all the rewards easily if you are after the 3k mount

[shut ridge]

okay but are you considering intangibles like name value

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, that's really powerful!

[young path]

Warrior Druid sham and monk such a synergy to build around as sub

It is glorious

[keen dome]

Rules

[haughty rose]

i'm almost 3,2k but wanna go as high as possible before s3

[haughty rose]

thats refreshing to hear

[keen dome]

I did 3k more or less via pugs. But I had a friend join me for all the 12's I did + the few 13's I've done so it wasn't fully pugged. She's an absolute monster tank so I got a very chill ride to the finish line.

Best tip for pugging is to make friends with a really good tank, I guess. Instant invites and you can get them to play around your cooldowns and shit.

[fallow nimbus]

man delaying cds by 30sec at gally is big, when you don't die in p3 soak because you used cloak to greed a few sec before that

[ivory laurel]

I can't for the life of me get used to the sub rotation

and Outlaw felt rlly intuitive -__-

[opal basalt]

The hard thing is to actually wait for ur CDs and line them up properly

I like classes like that so it felt really good for me but if you’re more of a flat damage profile enjoyer it might be harder for sure

[tidal marsh]

When are you doing 3581 more or less via pugs? @keen dome

[ivory laurel]

Could u explain a few things simply bc the guides are confusing me a bit. (i'm ignoring backstab/dance mecabre optimization for now)

• Always start stealth (use Symbols pre pull for supercharge)
  -> Shadowstrike
  -> Flag -> Rupture
  -> Shadow Dance + Symbols
  -> Shadowstrike
  -> Shadow Blades
  -> Secret Technique

Into basic rotation (Backstab-> Evicerate)

Im cofused when I need to use Shadow Dance and Symbols and Secret technique
outside of the major CD phase

& is the above rotation good?

[opal basalt]

you basically pop the next dance + symbols when the others ran out and sectech is off cd afaik

[pliant topaz]

Look at it more of as concepts rather than specific list items to check.
concept wise, lets say cds (flag/blades) arent up, so now, when do you dance? well, u dance when you have sod up.
okay, when do you sod? well, you sod when you can get sectech first or second finisher in dance (general concept for now ignore giga optimizations). okay, when is sectech up? well if you have supercharger, then your firt finisher refunds 10 sec off sectech, so you go off of that.

Now, this ges a bit confusing when you add major cds to it

[opal basalt]

but tbh i only played sub for one week now and always had hekili running in a corner so i could check when i was out of ideas

[pliant topaz]

the most important thing for cds is that u want to be able to get 2 dances and 2 symbols for each major cd. so if cds are coming up and u onyl have 1 charge of sod, u just kinda save it and skip the dance+sod.

[pliant topaz]

@hazy breach I like this, maybe we can make it a command or something lol

like !tldr or something

[leaden prairie]

always knew guy was a sub cf

[pliant topaz]

missed u zac

[leaden prairie]

wdym missed me

i didnt went anywehre

[ivory laurel]

Thanks all ;D

So do i use dance & symbols a second time during Flag & Blades also?

[pliant topaz]

yep. thats very important. always make sure you have enough sod and dance charges to use 2 of them during flag+blades

[ivory laurel]

& do I need to fit in a second secret tech during the flag & shadow blades phase?

I'm guessing I just use it when its off CD after using dance & symbols for the seconnd time

[lucid jackal]

Yes

[pliant topaz]

yep. every dance must include a sectech in it. so you will get basically 2 sectechs during flag+blades

[ivory laurel]

Just wondering if it needs to fit

[lucid jackal]

I asked fuu awhile ago for it but yeah

[ivory laurel]

okiie

ty

[lucid jackal]

It's missing some niche shit but the way guides are laid out for sub makes it hard to interpret sometimes

[pliant topaz]

practice a bit, but youll see you should have more than enough cdr to get 2 of them during flag! gl

[pliant topaz]

yeah i like this version. its missing some neuance but in general very good tldr, easy to parse and follow

[ivory laurel]

for now I like sub better then outlaw just for the fantasyy, I love having 2 daggers x_x

but i'll have to play both a bit more & see

[pliant topaz]

[haughty rose]

cool name

[ivory laurel]

or do i need to disable everything

[shut ridge]

I believe the default command is alt z? don’t quote me on that

[pliant topaz]

to disable your main bars I think its alt+z.
weakauras you have to disable manually

although, u can set your wa group to only be active when in combat (so when youre out of combat it fades away - i do this)

[ivory laurel]

thanks that worked

[abstract isle]

Hey guys,

Maybe someone is able to help me with gearing.
In my Vault I got the BIS dagger myth. I already have one crafted dagger 681 and the other one with mastery/crit 684.

The other two items (myth as well) are chest and head.
But I only have 671 ilvl on both (hero gear)

Should I still take the dagger?

[patent lichen]

Sim

[pliant topaz]

kinda just depends on you and your raid team. do you need as much damge as possible this week? if so, then sim and take the piece that gives u the most.

if not, does your team have a bunch of rogues? would it be hard to get a dagger if ti drops from raid?
are there a lot of leather wearers that dont have the chest/helm? would u be getting them if they drop? stuff like that

[abstract isle]

Alright. Thank you for your help. Got my answers 🙂

[graceful crown]

do you apply rupture in a big pull burst window? or just go for burst

[vestal escarp]

i took my myth pacemaker

for whopping 300 crit rate more

🥹

surely now im rngproof

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hybrid prism]

according to logs were in a good spot

[alpine wraith]

wait 2 weeks

[hybrid prism]

buff deathtalker now. Needs 5%.

[alpine wraith]

no

no

noo

[hybrid prism]

YES

[alpine wraith]

dont talk about DS

[hybrid prism]

YES

YESSSSS

MUAHAHHAA

buff deathstalker and gloomblade

I like being a shadow

[hazy breach]

Idk not really. Wowhead not having a disclaimer on its post is kinda wild

[lilac stag]

not really. Wowhead news posts are low effort

[hazy breach]

If you discard the bugged logs where people had +10% instead of 5% were still near the bottom

[idle aurora]

Is there a macro that explains who not to bind symbols to shadow dance?

[lilac stag]

tabloid do more research on aliens

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[idle aurora]

Ty ❤️

Ohhhhh supercharge

[left ledge]

Sub rogue skyrocket giga spec

Blizz you truly perfected tuning

[idle aurora]

I was assassination all season and somehow stumbled into getting 100% Bis sub gear from last three vaults so figured might as well give er a go to close out season and see if I fall in love 🙂

[alpine wraith]

sub is kinda cool

[honest basin]

Its my favorite spec, I love it, flaws and all

[fallow nimbus]

I fumbled hard this week and took us down

I missed 1/3 of gallywix and got a green log

[lilac stag]

So the same gear as assa except a ring and maybe HoC instead of Signet

[idle aurora]

Yeah I just got ring and hoc

Don’t I want to recraft to verse?

[brittle plinth]

Wowhead tier list is gospel truth!

[bright elk]

With the second dinar what are you guys buying? I’m stuck between a heroic eye or a mythic pacemaker, already got a jastors and myth HoC.
Pacemaker eye is slightly ahead on sims for like 7/8 minutes, but not by much, and the pacemaker is about even with my current setup but doesn’t require two on use trinks

Seems like the eye is only valuable for mythic gally and we’re progging mugzee now

[alpine wraith]

i got kezan but because i already got jastor and dropped HoC

oh and i already had pacemaker too

so yea between those 4 just choose whatever

also kezan is not super horrible in mug zee but now with fast strat it loses power

[haughty mural]

Just get kezan for next tier

[hollow spear]

That's reserved for the 3rd dinar

[honest basin]

One rogue bought hoc cuz I was unlucky and didn't have it yet, other rogue got thug hotline bc I was unlucky and hadn't gotten it yet

[alpine wraith]

damn i feel sorry for the one that got thug

[lilac stag]

It helps but it’s not going to make or break you. Recrafting vers also not likely to impact you on assa.

[opal basalt]

You guys know the feeling of wanting to change sth about ur UI but not being able to pinpoint what exactly

Been using atrocityui for 2 years now and it’s getting a bit bland

Idk where to start cooking my own UI tho lol

[lilac stag]

default ui

fix name plates. Done.

[opal basalt]

I despise the portraits tho

I was thinking about using cell unit frames

[bright elk]

I’m thinking the third dinar item is gonna be a mythic eye for next tier, but seems redundant to get a heroic version as well. Probably gonna go with the pacemaker just to avoid having to think about double on use

[shut ridge]

traitor

[lilac stag]

SuF is light weight. Quazii also has a nice non elv ui on his site

[graceful crown]

Shuriken tornado should have 30s cd, my 5 cents

and would be good

[lilac stag]

Shuriken Tornado should be deleted.

it does nothing but CDR reduction outside of CDs

[hazy breach]

Needs the ER/Bonespike treatment for sure

[shut ridge]

give it to assa?

[alpine wraith]

tbh if shuriken tornado was your next x finishers use a shuriken storm

it would be so much better

it is not even hard to do

[hazy breach]

Ye something like that

[lilac stag]

FoKing Tornado.

[alpine wraith]

or strike even

idk

[shut ridge]

idk I like the delete it option better

[lilac stag]

I love how well it interacts with Trickster

[shut ridge]

delete cdr while we’re at it

[hazy breach]

We need some good aoe interactions

[alpine wraith]

as much as i hated the last SL tier set maybe having next 3 strikes clave baseline would be nice if we didnt have nimble already

[lilac stag]

it would be nice if they finished the rework

[alpine wraith]

any day now

[lilac stag]

but here we are

[alpine wraith]

tbh if they just made more talents that affect finishers

instead of being so hard on for energy

and builders

we have 0 snd or evis only talents

for some reason

not even kidney or whatever for utility idk

or maybe some extra sec tech things

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-andy-samberg-anything-gif-3653742

[chrome palm]

Something like scent of blood for subtlety would be cool, maybe buffing shadow damage specifically so it makes sech tech a big funnel hit

[warm marlin]

Each target hit by shuriken storm increases mastery by x% for 8s (up to 5 stacks)

[lilac stag]

We’re not a gdamn rupture spec

[chrome palm]

Like some sorta combo for shuriken storm?

[lilac stag]

figure out some new shit for sub so assa can take it in 12.0

[warm marlin]

Just a generic damage buff for aoe

With rotten fix wouldn’t even cause rotational change

[lilac stag]

our “rework” was released on Nov 7, 2023. How’s that for depression and being ignored.

[chrome palm]

They reworked it last tier

[lilac stag]

they did one change lol

Didn’t fix any of the broken talents

your definition of rework clearly not mine

[chrome palm]

Supercharger and death perception definitely reworks how you play the spec

[lilac stag]

lol

[shut ridge]

my depression precedes that date by a fair bit

[chrome palm]

That’s a massive change

[shut ridge]

[lilac stag]

10.1.5 was supposed to be our full rework. Since apparently you need the word full added.

That got pushed to 10.2 with roughly 65% of the talents being dead and useless with awful connection points.

They then removed dust (not a rework)
They added super charger (not a rework)

changing the rotation isn’t a rework. Tier (when they didn’t half ass those) changed the rotation.

our spec tree is an absolute joke

[graceful crown]

half-assed talents

the mayority of them all sucks

[heady helm]

sub just idk

ive been messing with it in some 12 keys

seems to do around 3.5 mil overall

good boss damn destroys a prio target...but other than that

BP is weak

nimble furry is my top dmg and it just seems weak as well

its like they just tried to give sub blade fury but weaker and on our abilities instead of auto attacks

[tepid trellis]

Ez fix. Buff sub by another 5% actually fix our nimble flurry bugs instead of lying that they did + make nimble work with sectech

[heady helm]

oh nimble with sech tech owuld be a good increase to dmg

like slamming evis feelse good

just the numbers dont show up

[solar geode]

wait what nimble bugs are still around

targeting corpse?

[chrome palm]

No the one with fazed

They said they fixed it but then they did it only for outlaw

[solar geode]

what's that bug about?

[heady helm]

seems like it we not getting the dmg amp on fazed targets?

[chrome palm]

Fazed increases damaged taken, but does not increase nimble damage

Yeah so -5% nimble damage

[heady helm]

thats kind of big on our number 1 dmging ability

[solar geode]

damn...

[heady helm]

in pve at least

I dont really raid so i cant talk about that.

[chrome palm]

It’s not a crazy difference like 1-2% I think overall but still hurts when sub is already behind in m+

[heady helm]

yeah

2% of 5 million is quite a bit

[exotic kelp]

I know im wrong, but im always slamminng keys as sub, which has given me the feeling thats its not as terrible as people say, though I understand its not worth taking over other specs.

[chrome palm]

It’s definitely playable but also definitely worse than sin in a few dungeons

[heady helm]

its overall dmg is pretty bad just in general

[tepid trellis]

Few being all sure

[heady helm]

like my outlaw set will do 5mil overall sin will do like 6 mil overall then sub at 3.5 mil

[chrome palm]

Idk I think sub is competitive in dfc and top at least

[heady helm]

dfc?

competitive?

where?

[exotic kelp]

dfc first pull going for 20 mins because my tanks cant pull properly lol

[heady helm]

assa will end big pulls in the beginning of a dungeon with lust around 20 mil lol

sub isnt see any where close to that

but niether is outlaw

[chrome palm]

Sin has trouble on first boss

[heady helm]

of DFC????

[chrome palm]

Compared to subtlety

[heady helm]

no shot only with the cart but if you get a darkest night prock lol what?

[chrome palm]

Damage on cart can be pretty tight

[heady helm]

if boss is tanked on cart your caustic spatter does just fine on sin

[chrome palm]

Yeah it just depends on your comp, but sub is more flexible

[heady helm]

lol i dont think so

[chrome palm]

Ok

[heady helm]

assa players have a whole 200 more io than the top sub player

the difference in 3900 and 3700 lol

and outlaw is right there with ass

I want sub to be good its fun its a change of pace not as fast as outlaw but faster than sin

and just smacking things with evis is fun

[lilac stag]

3700 is the definition of good

3900 is great/near meta

and lol at blizzard balancing m+

[heady helm]

I mean when the top sub player is 200 io behind a sin player something is wrong

[lilac stag]

nah. You’ve hit a range where specs are gonna fall off

[chrome palm]

Idk you can play both in different keys

[heady helm]

yeah i think sub does well in rookery and mechagon and top its playable any other dungeons its just underperforming or there isnt a niche for it

[hazy breach]

Rookery and workshop sub is actually solid in

[chrome palm]

Sub is particularly bad in certain keys so if you look at a sub exclusive player yeah they won’t be able to time certain keys very high most likely

[lilac stag]

20s are a different animal

so eleem tells me

And I trust

We could be in caster meta hell

[heady helm]

yea taking sub into rookery on the last boss just doing like 3.5 st and everyone else bleow 2 mil lmao

no wizards harry

[chrome palm]

Who is below 2 mil on that boss

[heady helm]

these last two seasons have been so fun just zug zug melee comps

fuckin i think i played with a ret and a frost mage in a 15 rook lmao

[chrome palm]

🙅‍♂️

[heady helm]

or it was bm hunter and ret lmao

[chrome palm]

I think tanks can do more than 2 there

[heady helm]

brother these 15 keys its rough out here in the streets

timed a mech today where i was top dmg at liek 3.8overalll as assa and then a monk did 2.2mil overall

i was like how much is this guy paying for his carry

[lilac stag]

What actually impressive is outlaw with KS keeping up with assa in IO. Them boys built diffy.

[heady helm]

like in mech the first pull and then the tunnel or whatever between the first and second boss are im pretty sure the only uncapped spots of the dungeon granted i had done 22 mil on the first pull

lol i play outlaw in my keys too just depends on the dungeon and how im feeling

[hazy breach]

But like going of the russian guy whos playing sub in 19s and 20s hes doing very reasonable damage in most keys. Meadery seems particularly grim though

[heady helm]

I've completely fallen in love with rogue again i was playing outlaw in df then got asked to play enhance so i played enhance last season then when i came back this season its been rogue all the way

[hazy breach]

Floodgate and priory and kinda meh, not too far behind but definitely behind

[lilac stag]

well KS just awful to play and if you can avoid killing one’s self that’s amazing

[hazy breach]

The others its like slightly worse

[heady helm]

eleem your talking sub?

[hazy breach]

Yes compared to assa

[heady helm]

so rook mechagon sub is good

then top floodgate and priory its okay

[chrome palm]

my goat salatikoke

[lilac stag]

ToP still sub I’d assume

[hazy breach]

Assa is really good in ToP

[heady helm]

Top is an outlaw key tbh and assa kind of carries before the mage boss and the gorechop trash

[hazy breach]

You can have tons of mobs on most bosses

[lilac stag]

everything lives long enough for KB build?

[heady helm]

yup

givein assa that funnel

yeah dude the butchers and whatever have a lot of health

[lilac stag]

it’s almost comical how the cd usefulness changes across key level

[heady helm]

yeah its fun to adapt though

[lilac stag]

yea

[heady helm]

and when you get a tank who knows how to play around everyones cds its so nice

i was playing sub eaerlier today and a tank was markin gthe kill targvet just for me

like giving me my own target to nuike i felt so special

[lilac stag]

I wish I enjoyed keys. Just chores unfortunately in my head.

[heady helm]

I wish i enjoyed raid as much as i use too

[lilac stag]

The people make the raid

[heady helm]

6-8 hours a week locked in a raid with ppl i dont know or like no thank you lol

[lilac stag]

and I’ve enjoyed the bosses for the most part

[heady helm]

wiping 50-100 times on a 20 wipe average boss becasue ppl no thank you

[lilac stag]

our raid team is all pretty tight

[hazy breach]

Thats why you play with ppl you know and like

[heady helm]

WEll thats the thing lol

Meeting those social standards rofl

[hazy breach]

Just find a good guild

[chrome palm]

im sending this chat to your guild rn

ur cooked

[heady helm]

I dont have a guild lol

[lilac stag]

[heady helm]

Last guild i was in this season he kicked me after my buddy didnt show up to a raid...becasue i told him to message my friend instead of me about him not making the trial it was weird

[lilac stag]

We did our 3k push however many weeks ago for Mount and that was a guild group so that was enjoyable. Trying to rando pug for IO makes me want to punch walls

[heady helm]

and then they are raiding today and in lfg puggin 4 spots...hmmmm kicking ppl for not showing up to 1 raid and still fighting the roster bosss....like i said ppl are strange

[lilac stag]

RL not easy

Like herding cats

[heady helm]

Yeah i have a few friends on my list that i can message to q up with but i have to play on alts with them becaese they are just not as caughtup with gear or io

that or just get on my roguge and turbo smash their 12 keys for them lol

[lilac stag]

My typical friends for m+ disappear after about week 7 or 8. Hahah

Last tier it was week 5

[heady helm]

yeah m+ pushing is a marathon thats for sure...my buddy seen the wowhead post where it said sub rogue up 18 spots i was like bro thats a lie

[lilac stag]

this is peak prog for us now. Gear maxed. Vault has maybe one 1k item upgrade. Just show up and raid and call it a week

[heady helm]

yeah no im enjoying this tier my friend since we were like 11 we starte dplaying wow in 2004 at 14 years old i finally got him to run keys with me he made a boomy doesnt get trinket drops then he rolled a disc and is loving it got him half way through is 12s now

[lilac stag]

Maybe see if I’m dumb enough to try 8 mask as sub instead of assa

[heady helm]

lol

i did 2 and 3 masks without even paying attention as outlaw

i was like oh thats cool

[lilac stag]

I want the title

Other than that don’t care

[tepid trellis]

Happy i quit m+ pushing

[heady helm]

he even got the triple threat title i still have 5 dungeons to tank on my warrior

I enjoy the grind

[tribal blade]

damn he said get good

[lilac stag]

Did you push last tier. I honesty don’t remember

[tepid trellis]

Just vibing in other games

[tribal blade]

honestly i'm wanting to do the same

[tepid trellis]

Nah i stopped season 4 df

[tribal blade]

possibly even stop raiding and become a full casual

[heady helm]

its as if i keep telling myself if i push high enough in m+ ill make friends that are competent and the push will be easier next tier

[tepid trellis]

I enjoy raiding too much to quit it

[heady helm]

Aotc is always enjoyable getting in week 2 lol

[tribal blade]

when i did briefly quit pushing, it's an incredible feeling

so much time for other stuff

and way less stress

[heady helm]

its stressful?

I just find it most ppl get one shot and are not that great and i hardly ever push my own key so its just whatever go again ...its becoming more of a time sink than even raiding is lol

[tepid trellis]

Now i just do mythic raid as fast as i Can. Then into lost ark

[heady helm]

I need to look into lost ark my buddies love it

[tepid trellis]

Currently progging the new raid that came out today

[heady helm]

I mean i hit POE 2 hot and fast

[tribal blade]

it is very stressful, esp when pugging

you can imagine when you're doing title range keys which are ~30 mins long and demand good execution

and can brick very easily

big stress

[heady helm]

all i do is pug on my main and then i play my alts with my friends or drag them through 10s and 12s and try to get them to catchup lol idk i enjoy m+ but i will say ..mop i hav ethe og gold challenge modes on dungoens and then i didnt start m+ pushing again until DF season 3 i got to like 28keys on frost mage then i psuehd a little last season as enhance to like 14 keys then quit and came back and now im on 15keys and addicted lol

[heady helm]

Im just trying ot push to get to those title range keys tbh

[lilac stag]

I remember you were gonna quit again because sub was so rough in keys. Shoulda stuck to it.

[tribal blade]

keep at it!

[tribal blade]

haha dude i really should have

i got talked back into pushing from my guildie

[tepid trellis]

Title pushing is only as fun as the people you play with

[lilac stag]

I tried to talk you out of it

we coulda been chilling just filling vault

But Nooooooo

[tepid trellis]

I almost quit the game in season 3 df cuz i was forced to play outlaw in Keys

[heady helm]

bro outlaw was so fun in DF

[tepid trellis]

Yeh. Not for me

[heady helm]

i remember watching some rogue streamers still playing sub upset at outlaw being so good lol

[tepid trellis]

I cant stand the spec

[heady helm]

ah I enjoy it...i only play assa becasue its meta. sub and outalw have always had my heart

well i like assa i just get bored its so slow and tracking dots well if youve been tracking feral druid and boomkin dots since tbc assa bleeds are pretty ez lol

[tepid trellis]

The Day outlaw is meta in raid is the Day i reroll away From rogue

[tribal blade]

so true 😦

[heady helm]

it was meta in mop at the last tier i think or sub was can't remember old school combat was so fun

idk dont at me but i think sub should be the spec with the most burst in the game hands down the most single target dmg

like sub should have a raid spot to do the highest amount of boss dmg no matter what

[lilac stag]

mM hunter disagrees

[hazy breach]

Sub currently has pretty much the highest ST burst in the game

[heady helm]

mm hunter is a joke lol target capped at 7 and does the most dmg to those 7 targets lol how are they gonna have the most single target too well after devastation

[hazy breach]

Its overshadowed by some other specs during BL

But outside of BL its not particularly close

[heady helm]

oh so without blood lust sub is most burst...

well the blizz devs need to go back and look at the numbers and make things right from a lore perspective and what not lol

rogues being middle of the pack dmg dealers in raid feels so wrong

[kind bluff]

when do we pop cds on gally mythic?

[lusty root]

Check lorgs tbh

[lilac stag]

Sub gets near nothing from lust

[lusty root]

Filter fight time and specific trinkets even. Lorgs is pretty OP

[heady helm]

yeah outlaw dont ge tmuch form lust either and even assa is kind of bottom tier with lust or middle of the pack

[median sandal]

came from the outlaw channel to say that the buffs to sub are doing god's work. enjoy!

[lilac stag]

Fake news

Carried by 10% enjoyers

[tribal blade]

that is info tainted from the double buff

[heady helm]

ragebate huh??

[median sandal]

of course. fun while it lasted?

[tribal blade]

i think we need to get a bit further out from that to see how sub is actually doing

[exotic kelp]

i got one prog night in of being marginally better than everyone lol

now its just slightly.

[median sandal]

sorry not trying to bate.

[tribal blade]

but sub probably doing not bad yeah

honestly

[hazy breach]

Its just a little bit weak in keys

But not horrendous anymore

[median sandal]

outlaw grasping at anything, really. sub always has a niche.

[exotic kelp]

buff sec tec by 700%

[median sandal]

just jelly

[tribal blade]

outlaw is at least very good in keys

[lilac stag]

TFD on stealth and sub likely as good as assa. Maybe?

fuck now I’m curious if that would be enough

[hazy breach]

Maybe but that ship has sailed

[lilac stag]

ofc

sub is the ship where majority of it never left the port

[hazy breach]

At this point of the season were absolutely not getting anything besides maybe number tuning, since its not already on the .7 ptr

[lilac stag]

We’re getting another BP buff

🔮

[tribal blade]

TFD on stealth as in you activate it with vanish?

[shut ridge]

CEASE

[hazy breach]

Fixing the bug they made a blue post claiming they fixed would be good start

(ie fazed not buffing nimble)

Even though it would only be like a +1.5% or so in keys

It bothers me a lot that they posted that it was fixed but didnt do it

[lilac stag]

I feel this is like the conversation with realz about Sectech when he first showed up. “Everything good on our end”

um sir it does no dmg

What?!?!

[lilac stag]

No. On any true stealth.

[tribal blade]

ah so no timer

[lilac stag]

Mhm

[pastel sedge]

Hi im new to wow im playing sub rogue, someone can tell me when can I find a pvp build? im farming arena points. Thanks a lot.

[short radish]

#pvp

[tribal blade]

that would be cool

i would be really happy if they removed stealth conditions to do dmg from all 3 specs

maybe not outlaw, i dunno if they care

[exotic kelp]

remove stealth :)

[lilac stag]

Remove Rogue 🙂

[exotic kelp]

nobody would notice

I legit dont see anyone playing rogue

[north schooner]

it's super rare to see other rogues in m+ at least yeah

makes you wonder if they think there is a problem with that

[tribal blade]

right now is especially difficult for rogues to join comps unless it's a phys comp

because no lust or bres

so you'll see a group with like vdh/boomy/udk/disc

can't join because no lust

[hexed sluice]

I just link jumpercables and drums and it works maybe 25% of the time

[tribal blade]

and half of the groups have that comp

[tribal blade]

haha you need to be super over qualified for the key for that to work usually

or needs to be at a dead time

[hexed sluice]

I stick to just 10-12s usually and am 679, so probs just the itemlevel carrying

but I like to believe its the cables and drums

[tribal blade]

oh i'm talking in regards to higher keys

[north schooner]

it's actually laughable how bad drums are compared to the real thing

what were they thinking

[tribal blade]

it makes senes tbh

what doesn't make sense is the massive inequality in utility each class brings

[warm marlin]

tbh i think its laughable how much people overvalue lust

[tribal blade]

kind of, until you're using lust to get through a turbo hard pack

then lust is really big value

[north schooner]

lust is not much over the entire dungeon but it helps go through difficult packs/phases

[exotic kelp]

give rogue back smoke bomb in pve.

[tribal blade]

it's also harder for rogues to remember how big lust is until you play something that has their gcds reduced by lust

[warm marlin]

yes but how often are you specifically using lust to meet dps check before you die to a pack vs. just casting it approximately on cd to not lose a cast

[tribal blade]

then it's like "holy shit, i forgot how good lust is for other classes"

but i mostly agree though, there have been previous seasons where drums gaming was a thing

[north schooner]

hey now 0.7% for outlaw sounds like a very good deal

it's not like lust classes don't have other utility to bring anyhow

[warm marlin]

yea more talking about semi lower stuff or watching a group take a lust class that doesn't mesh with their raid buffs over something like warr

[north schooner]

lower keys tend to have worse players so the "need" for lust evens out despite the groups being easier. Although that's less the case now with the free ilvl from turbo boost

with pugs you never know what you will get so people tend to play it ultra safe with picks

it's dumb but wcyd

[warm marlin]

ye but in a theoretical comp like vdh/disc/feral/rogue u will sometimes see people take hunter for lust when warr or monk buff would probably actually just be better

[north schooner]

it's extra unfortunate because not being picked for keys as much definitely makes people reroll which further reduces rogue population

yup warrior buff is insanely strong. They should just give warriors lust and then it's 2 birds with 1 stone

[exotic kelp]

playing bal driud vs my rogue, so much quicker to gear

and push keys iwth

[wicked urchin]

94 roll on gally mount and still lost

unlucky

oh shit i got the one for mvp lets go

[lusty root]

😄

[tribal blade]

fixed gally parse

full house

[brisk onyx]

[tepid trellis]

imagine doing strats on OAB that actually lets you parse it

or not having 2-3 evokers + an mm hunter on gally that just snipes adds

[fleet wharf]

!corruption

[short radish]

wrong channel this belongs in #assassination

but also gz

[tribal blade]

haha nah this is home

sin channel is scary

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[short radish]

ye im happy i got my OAB parses in before it was too late

[tribal blade]

i just went sin this week, was very chill doing bandit as sin

[warm marlin]

.7 partition with no shockers and no dynamite booty will be so nice

[tribal blade]

you just hit boss

and hit boss

and hit boss

and hit boss

that's it

[short radish]

i feel this will cause problems like it did on that bridge boss

where no one hits adds

[warm marlin]

we have good spriests who crash it just for boss funnel and basically solo kill it

idk if it would be much of a problem for us specifically

i can see the dynamite booty potentially getting a bit out of hand otherwise though

but like if u have a boomy starfalling reel assistants at same time or arcane mage funnelling into boss or a melee that isn't fixated passive cleaving etc. etc.

[short radish]

big if

im not saving cds for adds anymore

[warm marlin]

or they just remove it from all stars entirely

[short radish]

all bosses should be single target fights

remove adds

[wicked urchin]

im never gonna be able to parse on on mugzee

we have no intent of changing from the stop damage strat

even not considering parses afking for so long just feels so bad

[heady shell]

For dungeons like Priory, is taking mirrors over smoke for a talent better?

[tribal blade]

we're also doing stop dps strats

but as sub you can just keep backstabbing and rupturing prob

since stab does no dmg

[soft stump]

So did they fix the bug yet lol

[tepid trellis]

which one

gotta be a bit more precise there

[soft stump]

The double aura one

[tepid trellis]

they fixed that thursday evening

[soft stump]

I figured lol

[tepid trellis]

they fix that shit fast af

but fixing our tierset, we may never know

[soft stump]

There's a tier set problem?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[soft stump]

Ive played assassination all season so I wouldnt know tbh

[tepid trellis]

sometimes sectech doesent feel like being nice to our tierset and decides to not get the dmg bonus from our 4set

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

but fixing a 5% aura take priority ofc over something like that

or fixing how we cannot press sectech on first boss rookery during his intermission cuz the clones just fall down into the hole

[soft stump]

See like I got excited about it and turns out I was late to the party

[short radish]

im copium that because sub isnt strong now and got hit with the nerf bat hard

we're not going to be nerf'd going into next patch

and it'll be fine

[tepid trellis]

kekw

[short radish]

IT'LL BE FINE

[tepid trellis]

they are gonna aura buff us 2 weeks before patch launch

the nerfs us prepatch

again

like every other tier

[short radish]

swear to fuck how does that acutally happen every tier

WHEN I SAY EVERY TIER I MEAN LAST 3-4 TIERS SHUT UP GUY I WASNT TALKING TO YOU

[tepid trellis]

and then we are gonna be good week 1 of the raid

into shit once again

[soft stump]

I mean I guess I could probably still swap to sub for the rest of the season just to have something new

[short radish]

its kinda weird though

this tier was the most mentally checked out i've ever been

didnt chase minmax shit

[soft stump]

Same

[short radish]

didnt grind 0.1%

and somehow i've parsed the best ive ever done

this meme really is true

[soft stump]

All I hear about is "oh assassination is so great look at your dps you can do, why isnt yours like that"

Because, yall want me to swap to adds😂

[short radish]

guess it also helps playing one spec the entire tier instead of multispeccing assi/sub

lmao

did they make you swap to adds on richard?

[soft stump]

What do you think lol

[shut ridge]

definitely a factor if you're bad like me

[soft stump]

Honestly I may play WW next season just to have something new for a season lol

[shut ridge]

surely they will allow WW to be good again

[soft stump]

I mean its make a swap to a melee that can handle adds better, or gamble with assassination again and potentially have another Richard and Stix fight where you cry at night

[short radish]

ww is only allowed to be good once every 10ish tiers

last time was that season in shadowlands

[shut ridge]

true and also real

probably why i will give my ww alt the old yeller treatment next tier

back to the dh mines

[soft stump]

I don't mind how it plays is the reason for me looking at WW though. Like its simple af lol

[shut ridge]

[soft stump]

Its that or maybe frost dk

[shut ridge]

WW tickled my brain in all the right ways

[soft stump]

Dev evoker is gonna get taken out back next season so cant play that😂

[shut ridge]

inshallah

[lucid jackal]

Sub is good rn in raid

In the context of rogue anyway

Log in

[soft stump]

I could swap right now more than likely😂

Minus maybe changing some stats on crafted pieces

[short radish]

speak his name and guy appears

thats my fault

[shut ridge]

g*y gu*

wait

[short radish]

[shut ridge]

maybe not the best use case

[lucid jackal]

If u think sub is fun, u should play sub in raid rn

Thats what I think

The spec is actually solid

[soft stump]

I dont have house of cards though, I have Signet cuz assassination:/

[lucid jackal]

Yeah GG

Come back later

[short radish]

yeah for all its bugs and faults and "damage issues that may or may not exist"

this iteration of sub is fun

[soft stump]

someone give me a house of cards

[lethal lark]

So sub is simming close to outlaw in keys, but doesn't have to worry about Killing Spree? Sounds like a win.

[lucid jackal]

Sub doesn't have damage issues issue

Unless all rogue specs do

In which case reroll

[next pulsar]

Guys,is sub stronger than assa ATM for raid?

[short radish]

its funner

and thats all that should matter

[next pulsar]

In raidbots difference is about 200k.

But my friend says that its nearly impossible to have DPS like in sim for sub.

[short radish]

raidbot sims should not be used to compare spec to spec

either way

the answer for your question is that

if youre asking that question

it doesnt matter

play what you enjoy and or are best at

a good sub beats a shitty assi rogue

[next pulsar]

I like both spec, so just wanna have more output.

Only spec I'll never play is outlaw even if it can do 10kk dps

[short radish]

play whatever you are better at then

[steady dune]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[haughty mural]

If I ever need a lawyer, I hope he is this good

[shut ridge]

look at my lawyer dawg i'm going to jail!!!

[alpine wraith]

we do go to gaol

[shut ridge]

one of these weeks i'm going to go back to mag'har and really experience gaol

[warm marlin]

gaol haters when you get to have 2 ruptures out at once

[alpine wraith]

i always have to go inside

zzzz

i did find out your sec tech can hit from inside to outside

[haughty mural]

Haven’t touched VE since their rework is it intuitive to use ?

[alpine wraith]

but not outside inside

[haughty mural]

And I thought I was tripping

[warm marlin]

only the initial hit right

[alpine wraith]

no both

[warm marlin]

hmm

i def have a vod of only the initial hit damaging them but perhaps they were not close enough

[short radish]

?????????

what

what do you mean

[alpine wraith]

if you use sec tech inside the gaol

you hit goon and mug zee if he is close

but if you use sec tech on mug zee

you wont hit goon

[warm marlin]

actually outside works as well looking at logs

[vale pine]

Need to instruct your tanks to pull mugzee correct

[warm marlin]

fazed applied + dmg dealt

log of same time

I swear I didn't see the clones do anything previously though

[limpid sage]

What about nimble flurry?

Or is it a sectec interaction only kinda thing

[alpine wraith]

only sec tech for gaols

[haughty mural]

Our clones ignore walls but fall down holes

[sacred yarrow]

ghost physics

[short radish]

i fucking hate this game

[cloud rover]

How about, they delete the Clones, but make Sectech teleport you around the mob

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

im a believer one day they will wake us up from this split dmg dream

[sacred yarrow]

isnt that just killing spree

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-stop-stop-it-no-no-no-be-quiet-gif-17783158

[cloud rover]

Is it I dont like it

or would you call this harassment

[short radish]

forcing anyone to play killing spree

is harassment

and abuse

[cloud rover]

Its not Killing Spree!

Its Sec Tech!

[short radish]

[brisk onyx]

[cloud rover]

Alright im calling the Police on Rogue Devs then

[short radish]

yes i report them daily

[alpine wraith]

i still report goremaw not flurrying

didnt try yday maybe it was fixed

[haughty mural]

Surely

[brisk onyx]

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cooking-gif-13708524

https://tenor.com/view/cocina-incendio-aceite-gif-9842669

thanks now we're all dead in a fire

[plush roost]

Wait nonono

Let this man cook a bit

Okay okay sec tec will teleport you around... And oh i got it! Kidney shot can be a dps cd

Since we like utility's being combat buttons on this class

[bright sundial]

oh also distract and cheapshot also increase dmg too forgot about those we need more buttons

[cloud rover]

How about

Feint applies fazed?

[dry plank]

Yes make feint cos and evasion dps cds aha

[bright sundial]

and has cps so you get energy rebate

[plush roost]

Distract is now a part of the aoe dps rotation :000

[cloud rover]

and Shadow Technique now scales with haste

[bright sundial]

damn we all cooking we should all be sub devs XD

[plush roost]

Warning signs ⚠️🛑⚠️ value

[cloud rover]

Shadow Technique now has a 15% chance

and for every % haste the chance gets higher too

[plush roost]

Someone quickly

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[plush roost]

I need backstab soup image

[cloud rover]

I mean

Just think about it

Bloodlust and Pi would actually do somehting !!!

[plush roost]

Its dire i dont have the picture and im memeing someone

Backstab soup!

[keen dome]

Can we get backstab soup in a bot command

like !soup or something

[haughty mural]

That would be the ww treatment

[plush roost]

I found it

[cloud rover]

Isnt haste just straight up DMG %?

Im not sure how it works for ww

[haughty mural]

15% chance to do what ?

Straight dmg for fists of fury
Double hit chance for sun kick

And more I think

But it was enough to make haste good for them