subtlety

[hexed sluice]

gaming

def feels better with the adds

[short radish]

noice work mate

[tribal blade]

good day today

[short radish]

zoom zoom zoom

[warm marlin]

@shut ridge no black powder this time

i am cleansed

(it's there just not in the top 5)

also got stunned by the beam during the 7min add set

[tepid trellis]

[short radish]

[hexed sluice]

think its a kill the marrow if we fine tune add damage, a few pops that take us out, everything else it pretty smooth, fun fight. Picture is barrels damage

[short radish]

the entirity of rik is just

do adds

and boss does

[shut ridge]

[scenic yarrow]

i bet im gonna ask a question asked 10000 times

is flag not resetting on lockeslojdsfkj

every wipe its on cd still

[bleak night]

1:30 cds dont reset ye

[scenic yarrow]

lel

[bleak night]

shadowblades only resets bc it used to be 2m

[warm marlin]

even if flag reset you would still need to wait for hoc

[bleak night]

also true

because just having all your cds reset on wipe would make too much sense

[short radish]

I LOVE SYMBOLS NOT RESETTING ON WIPE

AND HAVING TO WAIT A MINUTE TO GET CHARGES BACK

[chrome palm]

i made a macro to spam it in chat

[crystal kraken]

on Mythic Mugzee do you guys hold your Cd's for the first frostboots?

[short radish]

yeah

because then you can pad on adds

if you do it right you can send a CB+Sectech into the add

[lilac stag]

No. I’m in jail. Haha

The right timing is send flag just after the dip in the lava

That should get you close to the add being up

[short radish]

its like

2-3 seconds after lava hits

[crystal kraken]

first night prog on him, do your guys raid TP out of your jails asap?

[short radish]

if youre VE

sure

[warm marlin]

1:42 1:43 flag should be perfect timing

its a bit after the dip

[lilac stag]

If you’re assigned to add you stay, otherwise you leave

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade 17% 87 pulls in.

[tribal blade]

nice!

[lilac stag]

maybe Thursday

[hoary lotus]

did they remove parses with 10% buff?

[tribal blade]

igot cheated out of a 99 parse on bandit earlier

[bleak night]

[tribal blade]

because we wiped at 3%

[tribal blade]

nah

[lilac stag]

doh

[hoary lotus]

gg

[tribal blade]

no matter what they do someone gets screwed

[uneven shard]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn tartan]

Is subtlety harder than the other 2 specs?

[shrewd lantern]

sub and outlaw are hard at different things

[dawn tartan]

Overall what would be considered more difficult?

[hollow spear]

Pretty subjective that

What's not subjective is that sin is the easiest

[vale pine]

yes

[short radish]

Realising that playing sub or outlaw will never be buffed high enough that it is considered meta, and having the will to finally swap off these dev-forsaken specs.

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw is like those rhythm games

where you have to react in the moment

immediately

[proven plover]

outlaw is harder.. on the wrist

[shrewd lantern]

sub you go full blast for 15 seconds

then kinda go chill mode

for 90

[tame stone]

what 3 items are you buying with chips? i bought mythic cards, cant buy mythic jastor yet, have mythic peacemaker

[shrewd lantern]

hoc jastor, kezan for next tier if not nerfed

(doubt)

[proven plover]

mainhand since I was lucky enough to not see a single one drop yet

[tame stone]

kezan sims similar to peacemaker according to bloodmallet

have both weps 684

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah longer tier where boss doesnt die in 4mins

[proven plover]

well just sim droptimizer and you will have your answer

[shrewd lantern]

im thinking long term

Because every early boss is getting reamed

with how much gear/power we have

[proven plover]

try simming patchwork with 7 minutes aswell so you will have a idea how things will perform on a fresh tier

[dawn tartan]

I’ve been trying to learn sub for the past few days, Main reason i chose it was because it seemed to be the least played spec from what i looked at

[shrewd lantern]

People see the opener

and get scared off

i feel

[tame stone]

yea, it takes like an hour to learn the opener on a dummy (with backstab) and then you are good

then just practice sitting on hands

boom

easy sub

you dont even have to sit on hands if u have bl open

[shrewd lantern]

bl?

you mean skyfury

[dawn tartan]

I must be pretty terrible at it cause its gonna take a while for me to fully understand it

[tame stone]

bro its literally just the opener, then you just press eviscerate and refresh rupture

[shrewd lantern]

i remember when keeping your dot up increased your damage

then they removed the amp

and just left sub with temu assa dot

[tame stone]

you can learn it without backstab in shadowdance first

and then add 1 more keybind& keypress to it

[vale pine]

you can also just use a macro for shadow dance

so you can press shadow dance a 2nd time for a backstab cast during it

i prefere that over having more key binds

[azure mauve]

@vale pine whats better for defense you reckon, ephemeral or EE

[vale pine]

EE usually

[haughty rose]

4th week in a row where i dont get a convertible item from the vault nice

[lucid jackal]

Sub is the best rogue spec in raid

and its fun

login

[haughty rose]

at least i can put on another gem

[tame stone]

cant use shadow dance macro if u have it on your main bar while playing with stealth bars

[dawn tartan]

Yeah ive really enjoyed playing it

I shouldve been more clear earlier I understand the opener where i mostly have struggles is what to do after that if that makes sense

[opal basalt]

Btw, how do you deactivate those with elvui?

The stealth bars I mean

[opal basalt]

Sit on hands as was said before

[dawn tartan]

Thats basically what happens

I havent tried doing any m+ yet just mostly been doing the raid

[tame stone]

i dont use elvui i like my game performance

also we recently didnt time +16 due to our spriest crashing his addons thanks to elvui

[tame stone]

if you are not certain you can spend 2 more shadow dances after opener

just spend one and 2x symbols

then sit on hands

depending on the fight you can send your third dance right after opener

or hold a little bit

for example on rik mythic, you can hold your third dance for like 10 seconds so you can send it into barrels

similar thing on stix

[opal basalt]

I’ve played some keys last week and the biggest problem was other dps killing the packs I had full CDs for

Like don’t play with a ret and ww

[tame stone]

play higher keys

xd

[opal basalt]

Or that

12s weren’t high enough

[tame stone]

12 and under mobs die too fast

even 13

[opal basalt]

Probably also didn’t help that I was 20 ilvl lower than them

I just started my rogue and asked some guildies to farm crests lol

Totally not a boost

[dawn tartan]

Ret is what I main

[velvet nova]

is there some implication to going rotten vs finality for raid? or just what sims better?

[alpine wraith]

you go finality because it is more dmg in st

rotten is more for m+

[night sparrow]

Hello, is there anything I'm missing with Dastardly Duos ? Sometimes my dance and symbols have like 10s CD. I get both charges back while still dancing lol
What did I miss ?

[alpine wraith]

when 1 dies you get charges back

and blades

[keen dome]

nice

[hollow spear]

race to world last

[keen dome]

I dream of a mythic energy drink

[hollow spear]

need to complete 4x tier 18 delves for it to appear at the dinar vendor

[keen dome]

haha

I'd do it!!!

I've done stupider things for less

[hollow spear]

I wonder how much worse it sims than my mythic vexxie key

Which is absolutely garbage

I'd lose 5k sim dps 🤔

could also finish some 12s to get seaforium with dinar, but I am just so lazy

[glacial hinge]

For some reason vexies sims higher than seaforium for me :/ not for much but it does

[sly shore]

@warm marlin

back getter

could try and make it work for assa

or I could catalyst it and reshuffle as sub

[warm marlin]

Cata back is pretty good for both right

[alpine wraith]

cata back is heavy mast and vers

[hollow spear]

I honestly forget about pressing Vexxie half of the time

So anything is a dps increase

[tame stone]

seems like we are gigaback

[alpine wraith]

dont let assa find out

[heavy compass]

Isn’t that like fake? Since they reverted the 10% to 5%?

[alpine wraith]

we will see in 2 weeks

[vale pine]

last 24h

the overall statistic has a lot of double buff logs

so it is at least for the next 2 weeks compromised

we can filter for 1 week in a few days

which is probably better than 1 day

[tame stone]

ah

makes sense

uhoh

[warm marlin]

Sub good

[alpine wraith]

take that augmentation!

[tame stone]

so if you think about it

[vale pine]

i mean sub good, 📈 best raid spec

we are sooo back

[tame stone]

subtlety got accidentaly double buffed, which made him playable

[vale pine]

did not want to make anyone less hyped

[tame stone]

but since it was an unintentional bug

[shut ridge]

sub good, me bad

[warm marlin]

I was watching ur gally

That was unfortunate

[shut ridge]

sorry to hear I don’t think I’ve ever had a worse pull in my life

I think I clocked out a few minutes in lol

[warm marlin]

Prayed for wipe for u

[tribal blade]

that feeling when you realize your horrible pull is gonna be the kill

[shut ridge]

just one of those nights surely we go again

[tribal blade]

is devastating

[shut ridge]

lol it always be like that

[tribal blade]

i had the reverse today

[shut ridge]

definitely some guild collusion to keep me down and lock in when i inevitably blow it

[tribal blade]

my guild wiped on bandit at 3% and i would have had a 99

[warm marlin]

I perfectly timed my flag to end with my cold blood sectec coming up when the final shockers of mugzee had their shield broken

Just to watch a fellow melee walk the finger gun off the adds

And not break their shield

[shut ridge]

surely there is no worse feeling than the snowball effect of scuffing your shit early and watching it continue to derail before your eyes

[shut ridge]

tragic

[warm marlin]

It’s ok

Partition soon anyway

[shut ridge]

can’t come soon enough

can’t believe I have to sit with this stinky gally pull all week

rent free

gonna wake up in a cold sweat in a few hours

[alpine wraith]

dont worry we back to last when 11.1.7 hits

right now we are keeping aug and frost mage on their toes

[shut ridge]

I don’t want to go back to the basement

I hear they have Realz locked up in Blizz HQ’s basement

[warm marlin]

nop

[opal basalt]

What exactly makes sub this „bad“ rn? Just numerically undertuned or is there more bad stuff?

[shut ridge]

sub is fine okay

assa just better

outlaw doesn’t exist it can’t hurt me

[alpine wraith]

everyone got buffed

a bit more than us

not much more

[void ocean]

and bit sooner

[alpine wraith]

we should be like mid table overall

just lots of players dont really play sub so good variance is also not there

as we also would need like 100x parses for some people to highroll

[shut ridge]

I still can’t get over seeing every single bottom tier spec but us get buffed a little while back

[alpine wraith]

blizz was waiting for my birthdaty to buff

[lilac stag]

Then decided the gift was too good and kept it for themselves.

[alpine wraith]

well 5 % was beginning

maybe they though we were assa and sent the 10%

then were oh wait no

these are the PURPLE ones

[remote shuttle]

Pls speak to someone, ask at least for a + 3% if not the full extra 5

Do it for all of us bro 😂

[lilac stag]

who is fuu going to speak to?

The echo chamber in here?

[remote shuttle]

Idk, thing is He must know

[shut ridge]

I can’t believe fuu could’ve fixed us this entire time

[remote shuttle]

Sheninhgansubdevs

[remote shuttle]

He knows things we can't even image...

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-21920724

[vale pine]

they knew how much they needed to buff it from statistics

blizz is not stupid, they can read statistics

[lilac stag]

idk about that

[vale pine]

so they decided to pick a number below it

[shut ridge]

they were waiting for you to say something

[vale pine]

maybe because of what ion stated in the interview

how they think statistics under-represent numbers

because less player are on the weaker performers

but thats a very easy thing to test

in 2 weeks

we will see if ion's theory is correct

because if it is, subtlety is ahead of both outlaw and assassiantion in the statistic

[lilac stag]

We are Ion’s Azerite armor debacle.

[remote shuttle]

Sure season will still last some weeks, let's just keep hope alive and pray...

[lilac stag]

pray for what

just play the game or don’t

[tribal blade]

chose 1 day because last week is tainted info

[lilac stag]

We don’t matter at this point

[remote shuttle]

Also we sub users could also try bad logging for couple weeks to force them into buffing 😂

Jokes aside, ye think we need to be positive, ty for clarify fuu

[lilac stag]

sub users don’t have to try to , spec comes equipped with that as default on

[shut ridge]

someone put an aug to the right of us in the above

[opal basalt]

Don’t punch downwards

[alpine wraith]

dont worry we have top 8 burst

[lilac stag]

Top 11

[round latch]

ahahhahahahahah

laughed so hard

[tribal blade]

did bandit reclear as sin for the first time, 10 pulls as sin and i get an orange parse immediately

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/disneytoons-movies-disney-toons-cartoons-gif-14670267254775627272

[shut ridge]

please don’t try to lure me back to the dark side

[lilac stag]

Laughter is the best medicine… unless you’re a diabetic. Then insulin is the best medication.

[tribal blade]

haha i was gonna play sub

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-kobe-bryant-no-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-18860898

[tribal blade]

but then one of my guildies came to raid on his alt rogue

and he's sin

so i was like I GOTTA DUNK ON HIM

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-big-dunk-basketball-chris-dudley-shaquille-o-neal-gif-13864249

[lilac stag]

you dunk like angel reese

[tribal blade]

i dunno who that is 🙂

[lilac stag]

Hahah learned a new word on filter

[tribal blade]

ahhh WNBA

[lilac stag]

Savior of the Wmba against the evil that is Caitlin Clark.

She leads the league in rebounds because they’re all hers as she can’t hit a fuckin layup

There are betting sites running will she miss her first shot of the game. It’s quite comical

media ofc makes it a race thing.

[tribal blade]

LOL of course they do

[lilac stag]

she’s just awful

[tribal blade]

people can't just compete as who they are

i don't follow any sports pretty much, the only one i've ever watched is MMA

i used to be a hardcore MMA fan, then kinda just stopped following it

[lilac stag]

unfortunately I get strays in my feed since I live in Chicago area. Wish I never knew anything about her. Hahaha

[alpine wraith]

i got some random video about michael jordan

he played in chicago

[formal flame]

Hi, im making LW boots for my roag, what lining i shall use?

[short radish]

the crit one

[lilac stag]

Wool is nice

breathable

[short radish]

true

merino wool

[alpine wraith]

have to go with premium alpaca whool

or duskthread

[short radish]

unrelated but investment into a good pair of socks

is very underrated

[shut ridge]

a man of culture

[lilac stag]

Getting new wool socks today

[short radish]

noice

work ones?

[lilac stag]

running

For the with the doggos

they’re legit great in any temp

[short radish]

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B09HKH9HBN?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

i use these ones

[lilac stag]

I did SmartWool

[shut ridge]

pantherella dress socks though

[lilac stag]

They lasted an insanely long time. I was surprised tbh

[opal basalt]

The word mold meaning both „fungus“ and „being very adaptive“ is really beautiful

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

[lilac stag]

adaptive fungus among us

[limpid sage]

first prog night on gally - when is it that you can't sectec him?

does he have the same bug as rook 1st boss or?

[lilac stag]

I love that when this channel breaks into OT mode it’s usually something useful. The other two not so much.

[alpine wraith]

yea just a cool thing if you have cables that are not shielded enough they can work as antennas

[lilac stag]

did you see what my lil darling peaked at yesterday?

a few in earlier than me made bank

[alpine wraith]

got early in at least

[lilac stag]

yea

I joked. Hoping it turns into a down payment for a training facility for the doggos

[lilac stag]

Randomish. If he gets yoinked across the room or if you tend to be at the very edge of the hitbox trying to flurry.

[alpine wraith]

depends on who you sec tech

if you sec tech adds and gally moves you can miss him

if you sec tech gally you can miss adds

a funny one is you dont need to move on p2 and p3

on the explosions

you can just max melee range and feint unless you get the fire swirlies on you

[limpid sage]

huge sht stonks

[limpid sage]

ok so pad on adds got it

[alpine wraith]

always pad

[lilac stag]

the add needs to die so just mindful

llorgs should show all the timings

[tropic pier]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limpid sage]

I just noticed that most of them get only 1 sectec in on adds

nvm it's the same guy

but top 3 anyway

[vagrant fulcrum]

tbh r1 sprocket

is sub by a good margin

then again this entire class is mid at pure st

[hazy breach]

Ye but that log is with the 10% buff and not the 5%

[warm marlin]

I fucked up a bit in our reclear today (not used to playing tfd) and would still be top 10

[hazy breach]

Without that its still higher than the other specs though

[vagrant fulcrum]

still r1 rogue standard

[hazy breach]

🤓

[vagrant fulcrum]

r2 is 3244

[warm marlin]

I think sub is still strong st

without the 5%

[alpine wraith]

strong st vs aug

[hazy breach]

Relative to the other rogue specs ye

[warm marlin]

well ye nothing is beating ret/mm

[vagrant fulcrum]

unlike ret

we're not allowed repeated buffs til op

the recent buff was actually unhinged from blizzard

[warm marlin]

[vagrant fulcrum]

aug > rogue xd

[warm marlin]

that aug guy pumped though fr

rank 38 all specs

[alpine wraith]

damn our reign of terror is over

[warm marlin]

what a gamer

[alpine wraith]

tbh aug is skill capped class

and also depends on others

[warm marlin]

i will not trash talk aug in raid

hard spec fr

more timing planning than sub!

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dummy-corner-judge-gavel-gif-15893581744758165231

[hazy breach]

What the fuck is happening in the dastardly duos event lmao, dance is at perma 2 charges and symbols is at 3 perma

[graceful osprey]

I have a MM hunter friend that likes to poke fun at me since I play sub. He says “I though sub was supposed to be the burst class” as he casually pops off at 8 million burst

[tribal blade]

now give that to us right now and we'll be incredible

[graceful crown]

at archon half of subs are using vers flask but if i sim chaos is better, do you use chaos or vers?

[glacial orbit]

whatever sim tells you

depends on what stats you have

[graceful crown]

alrighty

[hazy breach]

It also doesnt really matter

[hollow spear]

I guess vers probably has less variance, but is worse on average

Maybe some people are just allergic to the thought of getting haste during their cooldowns

[graceful crown]

yeah the thing i "fear" is that on your bursts windows can have haste buff a lot of times if your rng is shitty

[warm marlin]

Power potion provides pretty much the same secondaries as a flask, so your flag during lust + pot will at worst just have chaos flask worth of extra haste but could potentially have regular flask of stats + 3500 mastery

or at least that's how I cope with chaos flask rng

[graceful crown]

tempered potion gives every secondary stat when you use chaos flask?

[warm marlin]

yes

[graceful crown]

instead 1 less when you use an specific

oh i see

[warm marlin]

the risk of course is that you roll haste outside of pot window

but ah well

[graceful crown]

but ofc u can have +7000 mastery of both potions if u re lucky too

[warm marlin]

like eleem said they're pretty similar in the end

[graceful crown]

alright

gonna try chaos for a while

[warm marlin]

iirc chaos flask also ends up being about equal variance wise to a regular flask according to robot

[graceful crown]

never used it

[warm marlin]

so it fr doesnt matter

[graceful crown]

the bad side of this is that chaos is more expensive

haha

but w/e

i was using mastery flask

[tribal blade]

just use vers flask

more static DR

more consistent dmg

win win

[graceful crown]

thats a good one yeah

DR always gud

[tribal blade]

yeah people back in the day used to harp on about how DR "doesn't matter"

but it adds up

[graceful crown]

nah even 1% DR of vers can save your life at high keys

i always knew that

xD

[tribal blade]

yeah it's very significant

[graceful crown]

didnt thought about that with flasks

i always played outlaw so i didnt thought about that

i have tons

[tribal blade]

i just recrafted for my sin set

and i took a -0.3% dps loss for keys to gain 5% vers instead of mast

so that's roughly 2.5% DR gained

[warm marlin]

back in df pushing on havoc I took a 1% dps loss to gain 20% vers

[tribal blade]

for -0.3% dmg loss

i think it's worth

[tribal blade]

haha nice

havoc it was rough doing stats i hear

[warm marlin]

vers goated

[tribal blade]

since you want obscene amounts of crit

[warm marlin]

meh this was s3 when you had turbo secondaries

[tribal blade]

ah gotcha

[warm marlin]

between bsl and ilvl from being in the 3rd season of an expac u had plenty extra

[graceful crown]

and chaos flask can reduce even more vers

the difference was 2% of DR btw flasks right now trying it

[ivory laurel]

Which of these would be better?

[graceful crown]

take trinket

[tribal blade]

really hard to know without knowing your entire set/how many sparks you have/etc etc

[graceful crown]

belt gonna change in 2 weeks

[tribal blade]

that's a sim angle

[graceful crown]

belt is low priority right now for vault

[tribal blade]

oh shit true, belt is gonna change

he's right

[graceful crown]

we are gonna have a new one

[brittle plinth]

Belt super low priority ya

[ivory laurel]

I'm new to the game since tis week, whats spark?

[brittle plinth]

New belt option coming in two weeks

[tribal blade]

it's something you use to make crafted gear

[ivory laurel]

Oh

[tribal blade]

damn i used my spark, was gonna screenshot for you

[ivory laurel]

Okie ill take the trinket

nvm i found the sparks iin my inventory i got 10

[tribal blade]

damn you're new to the game this week and you have a vault full of 10s

goddamn

[brittle plinth]

Myth seaforium out the gate

Is pretty omega

[tribal blade]

that trinket is really good on all 3 specs

[ivory laurel]

Well I boosted this character to 70...

I like to push content and some friends ran heroic w/me and now doing M+

[brittle plinth]

The power of friendship

Lol

[graceful crown]

wow with friends gains a lot

ngl

[tribal blade]

haha yeah i assumed so 😉

[brittle plinth]

B: friends

[tribal blade]

it would be crazy if you just natty got a vault full of 10s in 1 week of play fresh

[graceful crown]

yeah

i only got 1x +7

first week

haha

[lilac stag]

L

[brittle plinth]

Getting invited to 8 10s would take a week of applying

Maybe more

[tribal blade]

but yeah you got like the best possible vault on your first week too

this game likes you

[lilac stag]

gonna feel bad once they realize rogue ain’t in 2-3 more weeks of play and wants to class swap.

[ivory laurel]

These are te only 2 myth track i got inn my vault tho

[brittle plinth]

Don't be a doomer

[brittle plinth]

This is one of the best possible outcomes

[tribal blade]

yeah this is legit one of the best outcomes you could ask for

[ivory laurel]

What's happening to rogue?! I playyed many different classes and I liike Outlaw & sub SO much

rlly fun

[brittle plinth]

They're tons of fun

[lilac stag]

if you’re having fun that’s all that matters

[brittle plinth]

We have a strong doomer culture atm

[tribal blade]

rogue is just generally a class that's neglected by blizz

[brittle plinth]

But they're here cause they enjoy it

[tribal blade]

it's reflected in the numbers, rogue is one of the least played classes in the game

[ivory laurel]

But is there a planned rework of the class I should be concerned about in 2 weeks?

[lilac stag]

til reality is doomer culture.

[tribal blade]

nah no rework coming up

[brittle plinth]

We can only go up

Bleed could go down

[ivory laurel]

ohkay :3

[tribal blade]

oh why's that?

[brittle plinth]

Cause they're surviving

Lol

[lilac stag]

cause why not negative speculate and call others doomers.

[tribal blade]

ah ok haha

[lilac stag]

Math checks out

[brittle plinth]

Don't take it personally

Mine was a fun lil joke

[ivory laurel]

I hope theyy don't make it an easy class for some reason? Many of the classes where kinda boring imo compared to rogue.

[lilac stag]

So was mine.

[brittle plinth]

Glad we agree then

❤️

[lilac stag]

who are you?

[tribal blade]

if you like stuff that's not simple then rogue is good for you then

[brittle plinth]

Most importantly your friends cool with your class pick

So enjoy

[lilac stag]

Your concern should be when they inevitably announce a rework for subtlety. Push it back another 1/2 patch and only complete 30% of it.

other than that we blastin!

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't expect a rework before 12.0 and even that's a stretch

[tribal blade]

i can't wait for them to remove all the spells causing problems

and then introduce a whole new set of problems

[hollow spear]

We need more pets

[tribal blade]

pets are banned

no more pets

[lilac stag]

Until they actually rework stealth & dance we’re fucked

[bleak night]

sub rework next patch to coincide with ethereals

kyveza animations and stuff

very cool

my uncle showed me some of it

[lilac stag]

until then just get used to reading priest > shaman in blue posts

[bleak night]

(he works at blizzard)

[hazy breach]

Very cool

[empty cargo]

If they rework sub after I’ve spent this season grinding it, I’ll be shook

[lilac stag]

Uncle Ion?

[lilac stag]

They’d actually have to look at it. Don’t worry.

[ivory laurel]

I'm enjoying the ride tbh. II'm a bit concerned about their announcements regarding the addon reworks tbh.
It feels like they are trying to solve an issue (too many addons needed) which is their own fault due to how they design the fights smh.
And their solution is to brick addons and try to make their own native solutions?

Why not make better fight mechanics & indicators so we don't need to rely on addons (vocal and text callouts for example) in the first place?

Is their best solution really to try and make years of addon developers work by saying 'we'll do it better' (which i srsly doubt, love the customiziation that addons give us)

[tribal blade]

i'm kinda impressed by how much you know already

given 1 week of play

[short radish]

dont be too sure.

[ivory laurel]

I've known about the game for a while, played back in MOP when I was 12 and kept up, just never got to max level back then

[tribal blade]

AHH gotcha

[lilac stag]

Easier to place blame on others. Wow in general has been a fun ride. They’ve lost their way imo. Class development in MoP/WoD it’s peak and that’s what people really get attached to, their character.

[tribal blade]

makes sense now

[lilac stag]

now it’s accessibility of loot for all

[hazy breach]

Its like 2 or 3 weeks left until the PTR for the next patch comes up and we'll see if theyve even attempted to cook anything for us

[lilac stag]

and boss mechanics that need computer programmers to solve for your average top 1% of players

if the classes were better developed it would go a long way. Bare minimum is done on most.

wtf can’t I have any actual visual animation on rogue

But can suffer through vfx of every caster blocking ground mechanics

[brittle plinth]

Yesterday trying to shadow step that got blocked by Los, I briefly saw some shadow auras around my rogues hands. What a cool design no one would ever see cause of the teleport that happens right after I thought.

[tribal blade]

yeah rogue actually does have animations, they're just so small and hard to see that you don't even realize they're there from years of play

[lilac stag]

If they’re mud lost in the abyss I wouldn’t classify them as animations. Basically screen glow at that point.

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StnmzjqMKRo

[ivory laurel]

I like hard mechanics, theres a ton of easy content that doesn't need any addons. But just design harder figths in a proper way that doesn't need external callouts or a WA telliing u.
Imo it's not rocket science, don't they have a team that is dedicated just to designing boss fights and stuff?!. Ironically, what they are proposing as a solution is gonna be WAY more work and practically impossible without messing up people's gameplay.

I like how the game is now tbh. There's so many things they could improve on like class design, boss design, ... & trying to force people to move away from addons instead of fixing the underlying issue isn't it

[tribal blade]

this could be our shadowstep

[lilac stag]

They’re doing it for Xbox. (My uncle works at m$)

that’s the only explanation that makes sense from a business aspect but who knows

[brittle plinth]

100%

One button, addon purge

This is console standardization

[ivory laurel]

Ohh that actually make sense

[brittle plinth]

I'd bet money that roadmap has a backlog item that says "mobile"

[lilac stag]

None of that intrest me. Assa already puts me to sleep in raid

[brittle plinth]

I love we have ppl who enjoy it

But never

Wotlk ruined any desire I had for that spec

[lilac stag]

And assa is more difficult than I’d wagers 70% of the dps specs

[brittle plinth]

My alt is MM

Brain turns off

Dps goes up

[tribal blade]

yeah listening to my guildie talk about how he couldn't play sin because it was too punishing

was very illuminating

[brittle plinth]

Did they elaborate?

[tribal blade]

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO PRESS EVERY BUTTON IN THE EXACT RIGHT ORDER?!"

[brittle plinth]

Idea of dot tracking might be unnatural to them?

[lilac stag]

You don’t

[tribal blade]

it was more so that you have to press buttons in a correct order

at least during cds

or else you turbo goofed up

[brittle plinth]

Long as shiv goes out when it needs to

Is there even an order?

[tribal blade]

a lot of other specs can kinda just press whatever whenever

and it'll mostly be fine

[lilac stag]

The order is pray for blindside

[brittle plinth]

Bush league

Iykyk

[tribal blade]

this was during DF

when you were layering in vanish for MA too and that other stuff

[lilac stag]

ah the piano opener

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

[lilac stag]

which looking back probably wasn’t nearly as needed

[tribal blade]

but i was playing sub at that time naturally

and was like

yeah you couldn't hang playing this shit

can you imagine trying to teach someone like that about how to properly use dust

[lilac stag]

We did

[tribal blade]

lol yeah we did that a lot in here

[lilac stag]

All the assa and outlaw rogues.

finding out people got benched cause they couldn’t get it was peak

[ivory laurel]

Sorry another question, what ab these two is best?

[lilac stag]

The Master is better

[brittle plinth]

So your seaforium is your passive, you want an on use ideally

PvP Trinket I'd recommend

[lilac stag]

But you’ll want to get the pvp trinket

[brittle plinth]

But Kazan of those two

[lilac stag]

Until you can get house of cards

[brittle plinth]

^

He can get h hoc today

If he's new

[ivory laurel]

how?

[brittle plinth]

He did first dinar

Should be sitting on 3 chips

[ivory laurel]

Yahh ii got some token i think from it?

yahh 3 chips

[brittle plinth]

This is a big decision tho

Let the big brains help you with this

[tribal blade]

you are playing sub and outlaw atm?

[brittle plinth]

Imma sit out haha

[lilac stag]

Not really. You’re talking a mythic piece from vault. Take HoC with chips if you’re playing it. If you’re not hold off til Vault day. You’re getting carried right so do nothing matters

[ivory laurel]

I've played Outlaw only but I am bad at it and don't havve the haste for it tho its fun. Just switched to Sub and loving the shadowy class fantasy of it. Havven't playyed a lot with it yet

[tribal blade]

ok it looks like some outlaws are using hoc too

@leaden prairie

it looks like heroic hoc would be your best bet for first dinar

[ivory laurel]

Whats the big decisiion @brittle plinth was saying? Am i missing out on sth by using the chips?

[tribal blade]

yeah outlaw's trinkets are all over the place, looks like they don't have a super definitive bis trinket

[lilac stag]

Craft weapon. Get HoC. Get 4pc. Sub gearing is done

[tribal blade]

sub you MUST have hoc

[ivory laurel]

ohkay

[lilac stag]

Chips are time gated

You won’t get 3 more for another 3 weeks if you do quest each week

[tribal blade]

look like geargrinder (off 1st boss in raid) is the best outlaw trinket

most have

[ivory laurel]

Can i get more chips by doing the raid on higher difficulty without the quests?

[lilac stag]

No

[tribal blade]

it's weekly gated

oh that wasn't the question

any difficulty

same rewards

[lilac stag]

Mythic difficulty just unlocks the mythic version from the vendor

[ivory laurel]

Okie, so just buy HOC then? I wanna do mythic with my guild anyways so I need good gear. Probably play Sub i'm liking it but I'll play some more before makiing a decision.

[tribal blade]

do your friends mythic raid and are they gonna boost you. through mythic?

because if so i would wait to use your dinar then

[lilac stag]

So HoC comes from 6th boss. Not a lot kill that in mythic

[ivory laurel]

My friiends do boost people on Mythic but I don't join them bc ii wanna do it myself with my own guild

[lilac stag]

Take the boost this week

[tribal blade]

ah ok, yeah just send on a heroic hoc then i think

[lilac stag]

buy mythic HoC

Mythic locks you out. Run it with guild next week

[ivory laurel]

Nah i've gotten enough from them in Heroic and some help with 10's ;D I'll buy either buy HOC heroic or try and do mythic without HOC, my guild is struggling at 4/8 rn

[dreamy stump]

hello everyone,
im currently playing assa, and id like to know if swapping for sub with assa stats, so mainly crit over vers would be that big of deal for like 18s - 19s

[lilac stag]

Drop haste

Just sim top gear

Have HoC or don’t try it

[vagrant sinew]

hope you guys will be able to cope with this great loss

[lilac stag]

Source?

[vagrant sinew]

ronkles in ot

[opal basalt]

Now I wanna know what was said

[tribal blade]

wait what

wtf did he say

[opal basalt]

Ah okay, nvm some people don’t like June being rainbow month

Who would’ve guessed

[lilac stag]

Cringe anti lgbt stuff

God bless.

Also men’s mental health month. He needs some help.

[tribal blade]

you mean we don't have to look in here at him making random builds that are terrible

and then going

new build????

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867

New build???

[bleak night]

holy fuck

we need to have pride month more often

the streets are being cleaned

[molten citrus]

2/3 bad build posters down, this is not looking good for zeross 💀

[cold badge]

Ur next bozo

[ivory laurel]

Never get the hate for lgbtq stuff. I'm bisexual myself and barely ever see anything in regards to Pride stuff. Nothing gets pushed in my face, if I don't like something like a show I just don't watch it...

What's people's problem with concering themselves with other's sexuality?

[lilac stag]

Imagine if mods actually went into #outlaw

[bleak night]

im waiting until next month for my vitriolic crashout

i may be a terrible person but im not a bigot

[molten citrus]

i was in there a lot, then he started infecting the other channels to get away

[warm marlin]

my day has just been made

[molten citrus]

[warm marlin]

truly the ryukage of sub

[tribal blade]

hey zeroes made a good build at least 😉

[vestal escarp]

Yoooooooooo

[lilac stag]

People can be shit heads. Simple as that. They’re often louder and more obnoxious than those that just see people as people.

[vestal escarp]

Who nuked my boy lashga???????????

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[tribal blade]

lashga outta here

[vestal escarp]

[keen dome]

DId he finally quit

[lilac stag]

Ronkley

Keep up

[tribal blade]

where is zac when you need him

[patent lichen]

I didn't even notice it. I'm severely colorblind lol

[lilac stag]

This seems appropriate. https://giphy.com/gifs/btqU9V0Z48j3in2xBu

[tribal blade]

HAHAHAHHAAA

omfg so good

[lilac stag]

Maybe trying to not get banned.

[tribal blade]

hahaaa

[keen dome]

I've been busy with nightreign!! did I miss people being weird about pride?

[twilit phoenix]

i mean, zac doesn't really do anything banworthy tbf

[bleak night]

oh boy did you

[keen dome]

damn

[lilac stag]

Yes. Our favorite Russian

[warm marlin]

eta gg

[bleak night]

zac saves all the ban worthy stuff for his gym rat account

[keen dome]

I used to be a Destiny 2 PvP sweat and I rocked the Pride emblem the whole time. The amount of intense hate I got because of it was hilarious.

Pride 24/7, all year around imo

[bleak night]

maybe you just recieved intense hate because you were a destiny player

[lilac stag]

Because sub rogue.

[twilit phoenix]

oh shit is lasgha russian?

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

[twilit phoenix]

i legit thought he was indian

[vestal escarp]

???

[swift tinsel]

isn't he from Cyprus

[bleak night]

i thought he was from kazahkstan

[swift tinsel]

he ain't from Ravenholdt

[opal basalt]

With Pride flags in valo lobbies its 100% the same

[keen dome]

Hell yes

[lilac stag]

Figure out which slav state is banned by Wowhead and he’s there

[twilit phoenix]

checks out I guess

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-baroncohen-borat-danse-gif-13803947029922040614

[tribal blade]

i think my favorite thing about lashga was explaining basic things on how sub rogue worked to him

[swift tinsel]

lmao

I'm gonna miss the Stat Weight sims with zero context

the ETA GG spam

[swift tinsel]

hey that's Season 1 Rank 1 Definitely Not Boosted Don't Look at Logs sub rogue you're talking about

[keen dome]

That was a very funny moment

[lilac stag]

then gets pissed when you make joke about

https://tenor.com/view/friends-friends-tv-tv-friends-tvfriends-friendstv-gif-7396030651202352582

Friends

[swift tinsel]

it wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't post the ladder and say "Down goes the Russian"

and openly invite someone to come with receipts

and then fervently defend it

[leaden prairie]

wait

i missed lashga getting banned

aint no wae or

[swift tinsel]

Same

[keen dome]

apperently

[swift tinsel]

I'm just glad I have the gif on hand lol

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/chandler-chandler-dance-dance-dancing-dancing-gif-gif-17328327955623428117

[lilac stag]

don’t make bigoted jokes

[swift tinsel]

yeah its really not that hard

[keen dome]

Pride colours are very powerful

[weary saffron]

overwhelming for some, apparently

[brittle plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/its-too-much-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20776539

[tribal blade]

teehee

[patent lichen]

I'm colorblind 😦 it just looks like a gradient to me 😭 and when people get hurt by it I'm even more confused

[tribal blade]

finally happened

[leaden prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-wonderful-day-proximus-caesar-kingdom-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-feeling-great-kevin-durand-gif-18440607893866029798

[brittle plinth]

Who is that

[keen dome]

Damn, I never thought about that.

[brittle plinth]

is that one of those streamer fellow you kids follow

[leaden prairie]

ape from planet of the ape

episode 4 or smth

last one

wiht lots of apes

[keen dome]

Yeah

[brittle plinth]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!

[leaden prairie]

[keen dome]

He's got a crown so he's the king

[tribal blade]

lashga was a true genius

[vagrant sinew]

ty for the source

[tribal blade]

of which we will never fully understand

[leaden prairie]

No cuh

[tribal blade]

the depth of his genius

[swift tinsel]

Not even he can

[brittle plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/eurovision-chico-bon-bon-dubdb-gif-9787108822644638752

only ape I trust

and he has a tool belt

[leaden prairie]

Remember when I bullied him too much from getting boosted in s1

And then he just came back

[brittle plinth]

(ignore the caption)

[swift tinsel]

Hey now his friends helped

[tribal blade]

lol yes

[fallow nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/good-twice-pride-double-fall-gif-8046560

[tribal blade]

IM OUT

(hello i'm back)

[leaden prairie]

NVM IM IN

[swift tinsel]

ETA GG

[leaden prairie]

[swift tinsel]

IMMA DELETE MY ROGUE

JKLOL

[keen dome]

I admire the effort to continue to play Sub

I do not admire anything else there

[swift tinsel]

maybe now he'll have the time to finish cooking his No Sectech No Flag m+ build

[warm marlin]

my favorite was when you posted a log of him chain dying in siege and he blamed his shaman for not kicking (the guy boosting him)

[keen dome]

that was wild and extremely funny

[warm marlin]

a real friend would kick a spell on him smh

[tribal blade]

there was also the logs of him getting super hard gapped by the enhance in every key

[warm marlin]

"i was doing good damage"

"not boosted"

[tribal blade]

to be fair there was 0 shot of sub keeping up with enhance then

but still

not a good look

getting all your top keys done in the span of a few hours

also not a good look

[small juniper]

does sub play first dance in raid now or what

or is it some weird cook

[tribal blade]

you can yes

if the fight is short enough

[small juniper]

ah

[tribal blade]

WM is very low value talent

[small juniper]

ofc

[tribal blade]

i forget the exact number of how long a fight length where WM becomes better than TFD

it's something long, like 4-5 mins iirc

[vestal escarp]

Pick first dance and dont crit the 2 extra evis

[tribal blade]

oh i meant to ask, i'm doing the tech where i play sin until 2nd boss of rookery, then i swap to sub after 2nd boss

but i dunno if i should play TFD or WM

[tepid trellis]

tbf only reason i didn't tell you all to fuck off properly back then was because he did it to himself

[tribal blade]

for last boss

[crystal bone]

probably tfd

[warm marlin]

ye i mean whatever people get boosted all the time but coming in to a channel to flex your io afterwards and then flaming people when you rightfully get called out was crazy

[crystal bone]

i think wm is equal to tfd after like 4 min?

[tribal blade]

something like that yeah

and that boss takes quite a long time

[crystal bone]

question is do u send tfd at first damage amp

or during shield

[tribal blade]

and you use the TFD dance on a shield anyways

or else you're not dancing at all at the start, which is omega cringe

[crystal bone]

plus u get tfd for all the trash

[tribal blade]

that trash there's actually very little downtime, hard to proc TFD

once you're down there

and tanks tend to chain down there a bit

[crystal bone]

can u force it with a vanish at some point?

not sure

[tribal blade]

nah not anymore

that tech is fixed

[crystal bone]

yeah id say its worth even if u only get 2 tfd's

[tribal blade]

oh no literally doing aug dmg damn

[warm marlin]

ye hilarious stuff

[leaden prairie]

you enjoyed it

!

[tribal blade]

well regardless of anything, i hope he works on himself

and becomes a better person out of this situation

[alpine wraith]

you can still vanish to get tfd btw

just not vanish storm and keep hitting

it is worth on many pulls before other big one comes or before bosses

like the notorious first boss rookery

[tribal blade]

oh really? interesting

[alpine wraith]

where you want to do the special dance to get 2 sec tech as fast as possible

[tribal blade]

it's a small optimization anyways in the grand scheme of things

i already did the swap tech once in a 17 rook with my team

and the last boss was WAY faster

even when we were pushing shields too fast and my cds weren't ready in time

so when we do 18 rook the shield timings should be perfect

or close to perfect

[leaden prairie]

In 20 we tried with zeross the shield was actually hard to get down in time for his cds

Well the timing was just perfect basically

[tribal blade]

damn yeah i'm gonna have to beg my enhance and ret to chill the fuck out on the sheilds then haha

or i'm just gonna start autoing way earlier

to force it slower

[leaden prairie]

ir prolly depends a lot on the comp tho

[tribal blade]

so for enhance i think it fucks them to slow dps

[leaden prairie]

Also if you play with 2 min specs idk how that works out

[tribal blade]

but our ret i think can just stop pressing buttons

[leaden prairie]

I guess with 2 min you get only 2 use on boss

And you do first

Then hold for third

[tribal blade]

yeah i think they get 2 uses

[alpine wraith]

dont you use the spinny hammers as ret

[leaden prairie]

There is no way around it

[alpine wraith]

and need to keep spending holy power

[tribal blade]

i think so yeah

we were talking about it today, it's so weird that ret's main dmg is a passive

[lilac stag]

Makes it easier to use the utility spells

[lilac stag]

TFD should take over close to 5 at full gear. If you use Storm like twice or there’s movements/down time TFD is better.

WM is just trash.

[alpine wraith]

need old wm

imagine if we had the un un un nerfed 10% vers

capstone instead of goremaw

[lilac stag]

Old WM. Old Goremaw

where they interacted

[alpine wraith]

man old goremaw would go hard

if people didnt know it did 3x dmg it does now

[brittle plinth]

when did sub lose hat?

[lilac stag]

then they killed it by fixing wm interaction

Lose what?

[brittle plinth]

Oh Legion it became a pvp talent

Found it

[lilac stag]

Huh?

[brittle plinth]

its the talent that gave you combo points based on crits

including party members

[alpine wraith]

yea it got removed a while ago

[brittle plinth]

it was really useful in bridging those gaps where you may have been energy starved

[vale pine]

we got sht

sht replaced hunger

[tepid trellis]

shadow techniques is just a better version of HaT

[vale pine]

it is diffrent

HaT had a very predictable cp income in raids, but was somewhat unpredictable in solo

[brittle plinth]

^

[vale pine]

and no auto attack requirements

so you got cp even if not on boss

for sht, you need to be in melee range

but it is the same income always so group size does not matter

so both approaches have some benefits to it

and diffrent trade offs

[tribal blade]

i guess the biggest issue we have now is being tied to skyfury

in a big way

[brittle plinth]

this is a great way of putting it

hat producing cps if you have to move out for something or during immunities/transitions isnt a huge consideration but it felt nice.

sub would feel better if we had something going for us outside our cds, even if minor enough to get us to more finishers to drive cdr

[dry thorn]

hey guys wanted to ask really quick if jastor diamond really is bis? sims lower for me

[tribal blade]

iirc heroic jastors gets beaten by cyrces as sub

but i can't remember, this was sims from a while ago

[dry thorn]

yea thats the case for me too

[tribal blade]

that's normal yeah

[lilac stag]

Mythic is bis but barely. Heroic is meh. It tends to pull haste from raid members

Bit better in keys

[tribal blade]

yeah the combo of it having haste on it and likely to take haste from allies

makes it barely bis for sub

[frail swift]

are there any sub buffs coming?

[tribal blade]

i don't think he knows about second sub buffs pippin

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-billy-boyd-peregrin-took-cheers-gif-4727251

[green cedar]

is here cata also ?

[uncut socket]

#classic-discussion

[molten citrus]

Theres classic Discord servers linked in the pins of the classic channel

[vestal escarp]

cooked a no shadowcraft build

[lilac stag]

Being a bigot

[leaden prairie]

his new pfp was ugly

[lilac stag]

👉🏻 🚪

[placid crown]

Bruh, moreover than perma having SoD and Dance charges on Dastardly duos, my combo points often dissapear

like i have 7cb, and 2 or 3 of them disappear

[alpine wraith]

if a boss dies cps also disappear

[placid crown]

crazy gameplays

[alpine wraith]

be glad it does not reset snd too

[placid crown]

this + the 30 death achiev (why ????)

[lilac stag]

it’s de-energized combo point instead of supercharged.

[placid crown]

uncomboed points

[lucid jackal]

He was upset at the new server profile picture

[alpine wraith]

i have been in a dirigible and a blimp

not many can say that!

it is because of the message it gives

they can be upset but dont tell anyone

[placid crown]

the message of liking many colors at same time ?

i do like many to see many colors

[alpine wraith]

yea it tickles our cocomelon brain

[lucid jackal]

If somebody's first message during pride month is "LGBT color icon, yikes" then yes

They get banned

[alpine wraith]

just dont lick it if it is on animal

likley poisonous

[lucid jackal]

?

[twilit phoenix]

[placid crown]

would love to see that kind of animal

couldnt promise i would not lick it though

[brittle plinth]

being offended by a rainbow is leperchaun propaganda

they hiding their gold

[leaden prairie]

There is something about tolerating people that don't tolerate others

And how that doesn't work

[lucid jackal]

If we are making a community that is accepting of marginalized people and we have another group of people saying "I don't like gay people" these people can't coexist

U understand that right

[brittle plinth]

tolerance paradox

[alpine wraith]

frog roulette

[leaden prairie]

That's also how freedom works

[alpine wraith]

lick any that you see you will get the numb tongue and the spasms

[lucid jackal]

Do u have a learning disability

That's not what I said at all

Try reading it again

[leaden prairie]

You have freedom until you start impacting other people freedom

Then yes you need rules

[lucid jackal]

If we are making a community that is accepting of marginalized people and we have another group of people saying "I don't like gay people" these people can't coexist

[leaden prairie]

Can't be infinite freedom

[lucid jackal]

It's not about "being offended"

It's about not wanting to foster a community that is accepting of hateful people

[placid crown]

this one seems real btw. It should be a flag u know

[brittle plinth]

oatmeal ref?

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp

[keen dome]

Cool shrimp

[twilit phoenix]

Imagine this lil dude flicking your nuts

Red mist

[placid crown]

they said it has the power of a shotgun because of his attack speed

[lucid jackal]

I'm gonna keep posting this picture all month because you people are the most sensitive snowflakes in human history

[keen dome]

I really like that one.

[leaden prairie]

You know

[keen dome]

It's really impressive how the mere existence of LGBTQ+ people cause some people to explode in the most incredible tantrums. Full ass showing, whole hog.

[leaden prairie]

We don't always see eye to eyes

But at least you aren't a bigot

That's cool

Gg

[lucid jackal]

LOL

These types of people just piss me off

It's like talking to a 5th grader

[keen dome]

They're just stupid

A 5th grader will have a better grasp of it than them

[lucid jackal]

Just nothing going on up stairs

Good, be offended by my speech

[native hawk]

lights are on but nobody is home i fear 😔

[lucid jackal]

We don't ban people for being offensive

U can be offensive

Just don't break the rules

Take it up with the mods then