subtlety

[graceful crown]

Then no capo or cudgel

[bleak night]

what if its a really good transmog

[opal basalt]

i've been thinking about deactivating it to get more of a muscle memory rather than focusing on the icons

guess i'll read through the wowhead guide again and figure stuff out from there

[void hound]

it depends on how important performance is to you

[opal basalt]

tbf currently i'm still just chilling and enjoying how fun the burst windows are

[void hound]

in that case, follow your heart

[opal basalt]

but the class scratches an itch that no other melee does rn and i'd like to dive a bit deeper into it

[graceful crown]

For sub, all is about timings and windows then you search for the door

[limpid sage]

Wait don’t you backstab in aoe?

[lilac stag]

Rotten spreads FW. Which is why you strike, then storm.

[median nacelle]

u can bs for extra stack of macabre

then strike next

[limpid sage]

Ye but why would that remove the initial bs

[alpine wraith]

you can stab yea no issue

[hollow spear]

You cannot do stab and strike before storm tho

[lilac stag]

Generally in aoe you’re trying to fire off Sectech asap to get it on cd. It’s not as static as the st window

[hollow spear]

Or they'll consume the rotten

[lilac stag]

So you either stab or strike

And just go

to get FW out

DM is whatever

give that shit back to WW monks. lol

along with the pet bugs of Sectech

[hollow spear]

Stab is more of a single target optimisation iirc

[lilac stag]

it is

[median nacelle]

is it safe to sectech first boss rook when he goes flying to the middle?

[hollow spear]

No

[median nacelle]

not even when hes stationary???

at mid

[hollow spear]

Sectec only works when he's not in mid or midflight

[lilac stag]

Nope. Your little friends fall into the abyss.

[median nacelle]

yikes

[hollow spear]

Kinda hilarious

Ethereal clones affected by gravity

[lilac stag]

It’s a perfect example of this spec

and how krangled the coding is

[hollow spear]

Make sectec do its damage in one hit

[alpine wraith]

it is just funny how the solutions to all the krangling has been just deleting the ability

nightstalker with 12 diff versions and it keeps breaking?

delet

sepsis weird tps and dot munching? delet

ER sometimes bugging out?

delet

i pray for shadowed to go dodo next

and maybe FW and multi hits too

[hollow spear]

Accidental second aura buff? Delete

[void hound]

do sectec clones fall in the gally hole too?

[short radish]

i sure hope not

[void hound]

(i never sec tec him so i wouldnt know)

[hazy breach]

Its not that they fall into the hole, its that the range VS hitbox gets weird

[void hound]

i see

i really like how shadowstep is borderline unusable on gally

cause of the "fix"

[alpine wraith]

yea depending on how gally moves it can not hit adds

daily dose of ayaya

[lilac stag]

It’s a better narrative that they fall into the abyss

I wonder if SEF has the same fate

[steel zinc]

We get a hero talent rework at some point. Rogues hero talents make alle 3 specs actively worse. Playing wise trickster is fine for sub but still nothing more then passable

[tribal blade]

surely i'm not reading clones might not hit gally depending on his positioning

i swaer

to god

[steel zinc]

Imagine during the first few days it just killed u. Should tell you enough how the devs view rogue.

[lilac stag]

Just don’t read then. EZ

[tribal blade]

IMMA BOUT TO SCREAM

[hollow spear]

But this isn't the outlaw channel

People can read

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-for-fears-roland-orzabal-curt-smith-shout-let-it-all-out-anger-gif-15706932

[void hound]

i like trickster, aside from the utility/defensive choice
fazed is a bit cringe, should just bake the parry part into flawless form

[hollow spear]

I usually target adds with my sectec just to be safe, if there's adds

[lilac stag]

Me trying to figure out if the warlocks pet is in the jail and if I need to send or hold dance at 1:15 screwing up the next flag go on Mugz

[tribal blade]

that is beyond cursed

[lilac stag]

I’m literally in there in case the pet doesn’t go in

[tribal blade]

i could suggest something equally cursed

[lilac stag]

outlaw

[tribal blade]

use a solo symbols+sectec before that point 🙂

[lilac stag]

I did one attempt

[tribal blade]

just shuffle your dances around

could work

[lilac stag]

in the end it didn’t matter much. The best seemed to be just holding and banking cps

[tribal blade]

damn

[lilac stag]

I’m holding flag for 4 mins anyways

[tribal blade]

why are warlock pets always the worst

before it was them pulling everything while shrouding

and then it was "i tried to kick but my felguard didn't want to"

[lilac stag]

one point everything crit so we were instant out. I didn’t realize I could still get skates. Hilarity ensued.

[tribal blade]

oh yeah if you break out too fast that can happen lol

i also enjoyed people not being able to tell their left from their right

[lilac stag]

or not realizing it’s boss positioning

[tribal blade]

i got shamed for asking "ok, are we going left/right facing the wall or left/right facing the boss"

for asking a question i should have known

[alpine wraith]

goes both ways cant hit gally sometimes if you use on adds or not hit adds if you use on gally

[tribal blade]

yet every single time we did skates we ended up with 3 people on 1 side

literally every time

so i was the bad guy

for the entire raid

[lilac stag]

You’re baiting in fire. The ones that forget to bait screw up the sides

[tribal blade]

or should i say good guy haha

[alpine wraith]

yea you need to be inside the fire

if you go out early just step to mug

so you have the same angle

[lilac stag]

cause they’re facing the wrong way. lol

[tribal blade]

oh no it's not even people screwing up the bait

it was people running to the wrong prison

[alpine wraith]

ah you cant cure that

will happen anyway

[tribal blade]

so i had to be that guy to ask

[lilac stag]

Right. But if you’re baiting in the fire. the L is obvious

They just on auto pilot from jails

[tribal blade]

nah i think my entire raid didn't know which one was left and right lol

because from povs different guilds do it different ways

[lilac stag]

Boss’s l and r

[tribal blade]

some do it facing boss, some do it facing wall

i had to ask because literally every single time i did skates i was having to squeeze in with 1 extra person on that side

[lilac stag]

just stand on top of them and cloak / evasion

[tribal blade]

true!

[lilac stag]

Jimmy why you dead?

idk

[alpine wraith]

jimmy at it again!

[tribal blade]

i thought "oh i must be going to the wrong side", so i changed up the left right

[lilac stag]

I went Left

[alpine wraith]

wonder if you can 1 sec cloak the bolt

[tribal blade]

lo and behold 3 on a side no matter what

even after i asked for clarification we were getting 3 a side

reeee

[lilac stag]

boss is fun. Glad we didn’t see early prog version.

[alpine wraith]

natural selection

in early prog we would be benched for more ww

we cant go out of gaols XD

[lilac stag]

we’re struggling with soaks

[tribal blade]

sorry rant over

[alpine wraith]

but also atrophic was big

[void ocean]

These would all be 100s if it wasnt for Wednesday 🤣

[alpine wraith]

dmg was crazy

[lilac stag]

Velf. I was ahead of the tech

[alpine wraith]

damn i havent done heroic in weeks

[void ocean]

Its good for rep

[alpine wraith]

i do lfr

[tribal blade]

i took advantage of the bug

[alpine wraith]

with an alt usually

[void ocean]

And cant do anything else cause roster

[tribal blade]

didn't even know the bug was a thing when i decided to do reclear as sub

[void ocean]

Lol reclearing mythic

[tribal blade]

our first reclear since... killing locken i think

[short radish]

bug abuser gang gang rise up

[tribal blade]

massive

sadly my sub set is only 680 ilvl

683 ilvl as sin /cry

next week i buy jastors and my gearing is over p much

[void ocean]

What did u buy before jastors?

Myth hoc?

[tribal blade]

yeah hoc

we hadn't killed gally yet at that point

[short radish]

yeah same next week i get jastor and theres no point in clearing on rogue anymore

except maybe to get mugzee trinket

[void ocean]

Well i guess even if u did myth hoc is better for sub

[tribal blade]

need fat terts for key pushing 😉

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt recommend

[short radish]

need a myth track <5min trinket

and i dont want to use vexie

[hazy breach]

You dont get the "BL proc" if you havent hit the boss

[short radish]

sigh i hate blizzard

[hazy breach]

And most casters use BL before you even have the option to hit it

[alpine wraith]

i will likely buy kezan next

[tribal blade]

there's no shot that's how it works

[alpine wraith]

i have jastor and hoc already

[tribal blade]

jesus

[alpine wraith]

yea it works like that

[hazy breach]

Well you have to be in combat

[alpine wraith]

if they pop bl and you are not inc ombat

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

[alpine wraith]

it goes rip

[hazy breach]

Pacemaker

[short radish]

mines only heroic

and aint doing 8 mythic dungeons a week anymore

[alpine wraith]

he means spend dinar on it i guess

[short radish]

fuck that shit

[void ocean]

Imagine not having myth pacemaker

[alpine wraith]

or go azerokk and just highroll

[tribal blade]

you just need all 12s and like 2 13s

[alpine wraith]

like a madman

[tribal blade]

for 3k

[short radish]

i already have 3k

[opal basalt]

you dont even need 3k

[alpine wraith]

all 12s with some 3 chest also work

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[short radish]

i just cant be fucked playing m+

[alpine wraith]

only need all 12 yes

[opal basalt]

you need all 12s for the dinars

[tribal blade]

oh right it's unlocking resil

[void ocean]

U only need all 12s

[tribal blade]

yeah

[alpine wraith]

but yea i dot even do keys too

just gearing the other rogue

[lilac stag]

Just get heroic energy drink

[tribal blade]

i was helping my tank gear his prot warr so we can possibly go full phys comp

he hit a healer with this earlier

"you need to fundamentally read a guide on your class if you do not know how to play it before stepping into a 12"

[alpine wraith]

might do 4 delves a week yea

[tribal blade]

i copied it for copy pasta

[void ocean]

I was about to stop doing keys but now when sub is good...

[alpine wraith]

no reason to do keys

but dont worry belt is good

big mastery proc

you can even see the ramp timer and use things accordingly

finally some use for our mid cds dance moving

[tribal blade]

timed an 18 top today

and tried 18 cinder like 3-4 times

[alpine wraith]

damn isnt it early in na rn

[tribal blade]

till the key holder left

[tribal blade]

oh i meant my time

so uh, yesterday NA time

haha

[alpine wraith]

ah true ahaha

here it is 3pm

[tribal blade]

it's 9pm here

[alpine wraith]

so i though it was like some am time there

[tribal blade]

yeah it's 9am EST in NA right now

speaking of that i have to run

see you beauties later UwU

[small juniper]

is echoing void fixed yet

or still shit

[alpine wraith]

still not as good

seems like gushing td or void ritual for now

i crave stats so void ritual it is

gushing and td are better in st

[lilac stag]

You crave gamba not stats.

just won’t admit your addiction

[median nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[long marlin]

is void ritual and gushing wound interchangeable?

[lilac stag]

GW way more consistent in raid

VR is ass when it procs out of cds, but should hopefully balance out over fight length

TD at least gives your rogue a visual upgrade.

[vestal escarp]

19k vers so i run gw

Realible dmg

Feelcrafted

[vale pine]

nice

[void hound]

im gonna take advantage of the bug (not raiding until the power is equalized in 3 weeks or so)

[hollow spear]

Is that legal?

[remote eagle]

what is the bug i just woke up

[hollow spear]

Fixed long ago, go back to bed

[void hound]

people who raided on tuesday and wednesday had a 10% buff as opposed to the intended 5%

[remote eagle]

i thought there was a new one lul

[serene notch]

Nope just just get banished back to the shadow realm

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[opal basalt]

lol i just found out something very weird about cyrces

these are my stats if i equip it after equipping the high vers oab ring

and these are my stats if i equip it before equipping the oab ring

[bleak night]

one of the gems snapshots your current stats when you put it on

[opal basalt]

yeah exactly, i didn't know it snapshotted tho

thought it'd adjust

[short radish]

yeah you can play around with the snapshotting for some specs

i had to do some really cursed shit on my hpal every time

to make it proc haste instead of mastery

[pliant ridge]

Hey guys, is sub overall ahead of outlaw in raid?

[lucid jackal]

Imo it's the best raid spec unless u get extremely shit kill timers

And maybe still better on mugzee depending on what strat Ur guild is doing

[pliant ridge]

thank you!

[warm marlin]

When log invalidation

[bleak night]

[tepid trellis]

yeh i dunno, dont agree with them on this but w/e i guess

[short radish]

never. we earned it fair and square

[void hound]

its not gonna happen, devs gave stealthi a response

[warm marlin]

Oh did I miss it

[warm marlin]

Bro I can’t even beat my own parses on half the bosses

[void hound]

yeah its unlucky but what can you do

[warm marlin]

It makes more sense to play assa

[spice matrix]

Skill issue 🙂

[tepid trellis]

just ruins the integrity of parsing a bit for a few weeks so i dont understand them on this

[short radish]

i got gallywix weap so perhaps its outlaw time for me

[tepid trellis]

usually they wanna keep it as fair as possible

but i guess not this time

[short radish]

surely its more than a few weeks

[void hound]

yeah i agree, its weird

[short radish]

everyone is basically max geared now

[tepid trellis]

we get another 3% raid buff soon

[void hound]

kinda makes me not want to play sub until the next two raid buffs

[tepid trellis]

2 weeks

[short radish]

oh true forgot about that

[warm marlin]

Ye exactly

I will just do worse than I did before

I think vexie is beatable though

[tepid trellis]

another reason why this ramping buff shit

[warm marlin]

I will try tech next week

[tepid trellis]

is worst thing they have done to raiding

[void hound]

yeah personally i dont like it either but i can understand it being a net positive change for most of the player base

[tepid trellis]

in terms of handing out mickey mouse CE

yeh its good

but for parsing

its absolute garbage

[short radish]

this entire tier is micky mouse CE

[void hound]

true, but parsing is such a niche thing

i cant blame blizz for nor caring much for it

[short radish]

i want to say "is it that niche"

but then only 20% of chars get AOTC

[void hound]

it definitely is

[short radish]

yeah

we are the minority or something

[native hawk]

would it not just be wcl who invalidate them rather than blizz caring

[void hound]

unironically like 20 people (who are all in this chat) care about it for sub for example

[native hawk]

my guild had to skip our Wednesday raid day and i am feeling the pain from missing it hahaha

[native hawk]

guess this is just them punishing people for 0 reason as well though

[void hound]

its a weird decision, cause instead of screwing over the people who raided those two days, everoyne else is getting screwed for the next 3 or so resets

[short radish]

nah it should be invalidated

i think its just so little chars that it affects

so they dont care

it's like 20 people (who cares about heroic)

[tepid trellis]

its just about it being fair or not to me

which it isnt

like my guild private logs so it doesent even affect me at all

i just dont think its fair to the rest of players

[void hound]

thats probably it

[native hawk]

yh it kinda chalks logs until the 11.1.7 tab

[tepid trellis]

that happened to not play tuesday/wednesday

so i just think its fcking silly

[sour forum]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Caring about parsing soyboy vs the knowing your value as a player gigachad

[tepid trellis]

like yeah are those people who raided tuesday/wednesday at fault? no they are not, but its also not fair to the rest of specs playerbase which is where my only issue is

[native hawk]

something to do during farm init

[tepid trellis]

so they arent fine with taking away the logs of the few who did raid those 2 days but are fine with making everybody else not be able to compete for 2-5 weeks?

doesent really make sense to me

but at the end of the it is their choice

back to lost ark i go

[void hound]

yep, time for hearts of iron maxxing

[lucid jackal]

U can still try for high ranks even if it's not public

[warm marlin]

yea it’s a weird decision

If it was ret pala they would invalidate insta

I would also guess most who did raid those 2 days would agree with invalidation

[void ocean]

Yes they are and Im ready to die on this hill... And bring a few with me 🤣

[vale pine]

wcl always had aribiary rules

the statistic is only 2 weeks of data iirc

so its at max 2.5 weeks right?

[tepid trellis]

no idea

i just think its silly of them to not scrap them to make it fair for the rest of players and i feel bad for those players who didn't get to raid tue/wed

i dont even play sub in raid atm + private logging so it doesent affect me at all

[vale pine]

it also falsify the statistics

individuals in here love to use the "max" option

i already get complains when i use 90 or 95%tile often

[tepid trellis]

i default to 95

[indigo steppe]

I got #1 parse for a key and was like yo im hype then i saw the double buff and was like oh no im trash

but then i got another one today

ayyyyy

[lilac stag]

I think they’re assuming 2 more raid buffs levels everything. Which is dumb.

[alpine wraith]

also new belt will krangle logs anywya

[lilac stag]

spend an hour and purge the logs. It ain’t that difficult to filter time stamps.

laziness

[sly shore]

it's not even an hour of work 100%

all sub rogue parses between x and y

it's that simple

[lilac stag]

took more time to read my email and click the git link

[tepid trellis]

well yeah it is dumb cuz thats soooo many weeks away

[lilac stag]

dont worry, sub sucks again so just play assa. (joking)

[sly shore]

5 weeks isn't it

[tepid trellis]

it is yeah

[lilac stag]

next week is one, then 3 weeks after that

so 5 total

[sly shore]

next week isn't

[lilac stag]

which is asinine

er wait 2? maybe 2

[sly shore]

Week of May 27th/28th
More consistent Free Augment runes in raid

Week of June 3rd/4th
Second Dinar item is Available

Week of June 10th/11th
Raid Buff goes to 15%

Week of June 17th/18th
Nothing

Week of June 24th/25th
Third Dinar item is Available

Week of July 1st/2nd
Raid Buff goes to 18%

[lilac stag]

this was rune, next is transmog?

[keen dome]

Yeah, next week is the transmog + OAB drops the transmog coin iirc

[lilac stag]

sub rogues livling a contsantly cursed life

still laughing how quickly they reverted it with no real data

[lilac stag]

while MM allowed to run free

[sly shore]

It was reverted because it was unintended, not because it was too much

[keen dome]

They should put it back in anwyay

[sly shore]

I agree but

THey won't

[lilac stag]

MM wasnt intended to 1 shot entire groups in PVP and that was a thing for a good month

[keen dome]

Yep, they won't

Maybe next time they'll add an extra 0

[lilac stag]

nah they'll add a -

who let sub get to middle of the pack

[keen dome]

Hah. Yeah, and then that'll go unfixed for months

[lilac stag]

fire that intern

send them to league prison

[sly shore]

it's so funny they balance every 2 weeks now

2 weeks ago they buff everyone around sub

then realise oh shit

[lilac stag]

we'll be under aug again in 4 weeks

kekw

that would actually be hilarious

hopefully didnt just will that into existance

[sly shore]

aug is already fucking blasting if the aug is good anyway

[clever delta]

btw even after all those raid buffs it wont be fair either

becasue everyone will do more dmg meaning we will have less adds dmg and stuff

[lilac stag]

with where Dev is, aug seems like actual troll

[sly shore]

sub can snipe damage easily

so it's fine

[hazy breach]

We have nimble flurry now so we have the outlaw curse

Cant be allowed to have good st

[lilac stag]

outlaw curse is KS

can we get that too

maybe then they turn outlaw back to combat and it's playable

[hazy breach]

All 3 rogue specs now cleave so much that were not gonna be allowed to be good on St

Unlucko

[lilac stag]

dont worry. 11.2 we're gonna be gloomblade dmg goons. finsher dmg reduced by 90%

pure ST like the old double ring build

[vale pine]

assassiantion has it too tho

[alpine wraith]

just be like mm get a gamba tier that is good in aoe and st

but dont get it nerfed by 80% like ours

[full acorn]

Do you guys have a build for darkfuse rep grinding

[alpine wraith]

yea get a moonkin

and use starfall

[full acorn]

More for the pull part

[alpine wraith]

for those kind of things it is best to not try and speedrun or you will burn out

just do some h when you are free or while watching something

that is how i kinda farmed shaohao on mop and other expansions

[full acorn]

Someone needs to do it tho

[alpine wraith]

as sub it is quite easy to kill the mobs

but idk if people still make groups to farm

[full acorn]

So many groups

[full acorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry plank]

Because they have playerbase and we don’t

[vestal escarp]

Fury?

[dry plank]

Even wcl devs )

[lucid jackal]

Thankfully this raid isn't a st raid, else rogues mid st would be an issue

Rogues st is also quite good, in raid cleave build compared to most classes

Like hunter it costs a lot to go cleave build

[hollow spear]

The one full st was also cursed for us

Thanks to fw

[warm marlin]

just shadowstrike instead of backstab when you dance

[dry plank]

Accidentely click on dev chat, they are discussing is it possible reach 30m burst on pull. Ok I go dooming ))))

[graceful crown]

At big aoe you do storm and powder until secrets?

[hollow spear]

Coup if it's up

[graceful crown]

Thanks

Has top prio or is better to wait until secrets is up for coup?

[hazy breach]

Its not really storm+bp spam either way

You'd still generally use strike when possible

[graceful crown]

Because of trickster passives i guess?

[hazy breach]

If you dont strike you dont get unseen blades, so you dont get coups etc

[graceful crown]

Alright

I mained sub at s1 just trying to know if is still the same haha

[hazy breach]

It is

[graceful crown]

Perfect

[obtuse nebula]

Sorry, newbie here, dumb question... do i undrestand right, we don't use Slice and Dice ? Looking at rotation on wowhead rn

[neon frigate]

anyone else had lag in EU server about 2 min ago? Whole party DC and key kaput

[tacit pond]

the buff is automatically applied with finishers so you don't have to use it

[hazy breach]

Automically applied with eviscerate

(or coup, since thats just an upgraded version of eviscerate)

Not relevant at the moment since we dont play deathstalker

But its certainly annoying if you do on big aoe

[void ocean]

soon

[graceful osprey]

Might as well make rupture apply on evis or secret tech

[clever delta]

still chance 😄

[tepid trellis]

considering i got a flat no earlier today from one of the devs

id prolly say no

[round latch]

you know them devs??!

raccoon with connections

[lilac stag]

30 hours of logs going to invalidate the next 840 hours of logs. Makes total sense.

[round latch]

irrelevant but im eating watermellon

it F@KIN' OWNS

[sly shore]

I bought all the ingredients to make mojitos for bbq tomorrow

[round latch]

classic mojitos aight?no weird pinneaple/tea tech ppl been doing lately

[sly shore]

we have minted lamb skewers, morrocan lamb skewers, an entire deboned chicken with jerk sauce, burgers & dirty burgers (beef and bacon), chorizo

sausages too

[tepid trellis]

ic

inno went in there as well

[sly shore]

Yes, mint, white rum, lime, sugar and soda water

[tepid trellis]

share or?

[native hawk]

W

[sly shore]

[native hawk]

do not forget clubcard ‼️

[round latch]

im following strictly my diet after easter coz i wanna be in shape for summer and all but truth is i missed a mojito 👌

u know ur sht my man

[sly shore]

clubcard on google pay app

[paper iron]

Where is the party

[lilac stag]

In my pants

[clever delta]

maybe if i start asking the same thing from many random emails 😄

jk

[left ledge]

I honestly can’t even take logs seriously anymore because of how these bosses are designed

So I can’t blame em for not doing shit

[void hound]

mojitos are goated

[left ledge]

This tier had some of the least interesting (some just flat out annoying) bosses I’ve ever seen

And then last tier was just bugged to shit

Hopefully next tier we get something cool, fun and polished

They’re clearly capable of it, amirdrassil had some pretty fun bosses

[lucid jackal]

Logs have been so shit for years now

[hazy breach]

Has it ever not been shit

People were doing these stupid ass pad strats for logs back in mop as well

Probably before that too but im only a partial boomer so i wasnt around before that

[timid pulsar]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[wispy bolt]

Servers are down AHHHHH of course it's on my day off

Oh it cause I didn't close wow

What was the patch?

[real panther]

Idk shit about ass, but this sounds terrible? Or is he right?

[dry plank]

Check his logs and you’ll get answer

[keen dome]

Pretty sure the Rogue sims are some of the best

[real panther]

hard to tell, his best logs are made with log runs group

but they are orange pink (for those)

rest is purple

[chrome palm]

in mythic?

[patent lichen]

Lfr

[tepid trellis]

mans is fried

[teal coral]

hi, I know shit about ass, this dudes a dumbfuck

[bleak night]

idk i think hes on to something

no shot haste is the 4, attribute

[hazy breach]

The hidden undisclosed assa haste cap

[teal coral]

an impossibility

couldn't happen

[lilac stag]

Everyone knows it’s 34% crit

Haste is just there to trigger Whispyr

[keen dome]

What if we stacked intelligence

[lilac stag]

one step closer to arcane

[teal coral]

we'd all be smarter

[bleak night]

it might help

[real panther]

on vexie he almost underperf a sub. doesnt sound right

[keen dome]

Also his way of testing stuff wouldn't give accurate data 'cos you'd have different circumstances most kills. So like, you'd just constantly be working on a bad assumption

[lilac stag]

Looks like a Zac and zeros key

[hazy breach]

Except the clickbaity "new hidden assa tech?????" in caps

(the tech is to play with a warrior and a monk)

[lilac stag]

I thought that was outlaw tech

[hazy breach]

Assa is still like 40% phys, so monk still stronk

[lilac stag]

monk debuff or PI. Hmmmmm

I think I’d rather prot, enhance, boomie, priest but idk. Actually curious now if monk debuff would be better than pi for assa

[manic salmon]

i dont think you'd ever pi your ass rogue in that composition

[hazy breach]

If youre running bleed build you probably should

But otherwise no

[manic salmon]

Ye

but only on singletarget

[hazy breach]

No

[manic salmon]

yes because other classes gain more than you in such situations most likely

in this case enha would just get priority in packs

[hazy breach]

They dont though

Thats my point

[sly shore]

Assa in aoe is one of the bets PI targets in the game

Especially on 2m cd class

When other good PI targets are weird cd timing

Like 1.5m

[hazy breach]

Like the regular assa build is not great since its mostly envenom

But the bleed build gets a lot

[wispy bolt]

i love vanishing with thrall at 20% to get vetter garrotte and him resetting

[fiery pewter]

I think about removing vanish from my bar entirely during visions so I don't reset them on habit

[manic salmon]

i havent had thrall reset

alleria was always resetting

[sly shore]

Just dont vanish

[manic salmon]

but my sudden demise

my 30 mil pop

[lilac stag]

You 100% are on CD

[manic salmon]

not sure actually if enha is playing stormbringer properly

i guess sims would be the answer

[bright elk]

Every time I open this channel people are talking about assassination smh

[hazy breach]

It do be like that sometimes

[wispy bolt]

cause sub is poopoo dead

unfortunately

[lucid jackal]

Sub good in raid rn

[hazy breach]

Its alright in some keys too

I did fine dps in workshop

[wispy bolt]

assa does way more tho so

[hazy breach]

Not really

[wispy bolt]

(keys)

[hazy breach]

In something like meadery ye

[wispy bolt]

it does feel nice to delete bosses tho like the gardener on mechagon

[sullen kiln]

hi guys, a have a quick question:
is there any argument/reason NOT TO macro flag+shadow baldes+hoc into 1 macro
niche situations are allowed, maybe previous expansions situations?

[lucid jackal]

The argument is that it's a dps loss to do so

[sullen kiln]

is that because of gcd?

[void hound]

its a loss to press them all at once

[hazy breach]

Among other things, the ideal way to play it is to flag > rupture > dance+symbols > backstab > blades+sectech

[void hound]

thats why its not recommended

simple as that

[hazy breach]

So theres quite a bit inbetween

[sullen kiln]

okay, so read faq type of situation
my bad then
ty for answers!

[lucid jackal]

I'm kinda pissed we private log because I'm so convinced on sub but there's still barely any logs

[tepid trellis]

i just recrafted my stuff to sub

to see how it feels now, not raiding until monday tho

[native hawk]

📈

[lucid jackal]

Did u see the logs I posted?

[tepid trellis]

depends on which ones

[lucid jackal]

This is my gally for example

And I trolled

I did better on every fight other than sprockrt and mugzee

Mugzee cuz we hold at 3 mins so I just miss a cd basically

And sprocket cuz we killed at 4:40 which is right before my Cd's come up

[tepid trellis]

we just full send on mug

[lucid jackal]

Spec feels solid

[lucid jackal]

Sub will feel cracked then

We like 2x/3x sell most bosses so

[left ledge]

Isn’t that with 10% though

[lucid jackal]

Depends on our comp for the week

[lucid jackal]

No this is with the 5

[left ledge]

Ah ok

[fallen crescent]

Sub is the truth?

[lucid jackal]

It got fixed 2 hours before we started raid

[left ledge]

Hard to tell since same date

[lucid jackal]

Yaya

It got fixed at like 6pm

We started raid at 8pm

I was half tempted to just go back to sin, glad I didn't

[left ledge]

Yeah I didn’t get to enjoy the 10% or 5% this week

I raided Tuesday sick af

[fiery pewter]

I did M+ with the 10% and was like "Holy shit this is cracked", sad to find out we were over buffed lol

[left ledge]

Could barely stay on

[lucid jackal]

Unlucky

[fiery pewter]

Cracked as in cracked for Sub

[dusk stone]

were m more competitive in keys, thats for sure

[left ledge]

I just care that I’m not complete dogshit in raid now

Because I hate assa

That spec is actually so annoying to play

[lucid jackal]

I'm very convinced sub is just better overall in raid now with the buff

Especially if u don't do sales lmao

Bosses die so fast

[native hawk]

Im still trying to get a good mugzee with full send too 😔

Guys in intermission when cds come up

Im either sending while he's dashing and losing a global or two or holding until after

Tried one last week and one this week and both seem doodoo

[alpine wraith]

we are phasing him before second prisons

[native hawk]

same

[alpine wraith]

so i have time to full flag on him

[lucid jackal]

U should be able to skip no globals with step usage thru charging

[alpine wraith]

problem is i have to go onto all gaols so my dmg is rip

[native hawk]

will give it a shot next week, got in trouble by stepping as I was ahead of people and spawning shit on the floor 🥲

other than mugzee tho sub feels very good on everything else imo

mug could 100% just be a skill diff tho

[lucid jackal]

U gotta be like this

U gotta position to his front side so u can step right when he finishes his charge

[native hawk]

are you stepping so youre on the opposite side of lines from your team or is it just when you step youre not majorly in front of everyone?

[lucid jackal]

Uh unsure what u mean

U just step fast for more uptime

[native hawk]

yeah its chalked I confused myself too

[lucid jackal]

Ur on the same side as everybody

[native hawk]

ah okok

[void ocean]

What r we cookin

[lucid jackal]

Just using step on mugzee

[native hawk]

my point was when I stepped i was ahead of everyone so got in trouble for not moving besides everyone when I tried to keep uptime

[lucid jackal]

Cringe

[void ocean]

I once died to tank frontal after shadowstep on mugzee 🤣

[native hawk]

happens to the best of us

[void ocean]

And no it didnt turn around

Just weird hitbox

The same way i died on dinosaur from frontal after the bomb knocked me behind the boss 🤣

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Turns out the +35% damage from rotten does not get cleaved with nimble @tribal blade

[spice matrix]

[alpine wraith]

ahahaha

every day we bugfgin

[tepid trellis]

nimble was a great addition to the spec

and has 0 issues what so ever

and wasent the biggest mistake they couldve done

[hazy breach]

Sectech too

FW, Sectech and Nimble

The holy trinity of bugged as spells

[tepid trellis]

surely one day the devs just sits down and look at this mess

[alpine wraith]

i learned to hate sec tech shadowed and nimble so quickly

they look

then look away

i feel for realz too he came into this mess

imagine seeing subterfuge or nightstalker code

wonder if it goes back to sephuz or even earlier legion was omegacooked too

although SL was the capstone of why

[brittle plinth]

I would wager the underlying code for stealth state has been unchanged since vanilla when a single cast took you out of it.

[hazy breach]

I also realized today that sectech is sqrt capped at 5, not 8 as everything else the spec does

[tepid trellis]

doesent it say on the abilty that it deals reduced dmg above 5?

[hazy breach]

No, "deals reduced damage to nearby targets"

But also crimson tempest says 5 and is actually 8

So

[tepid trellis]

assa can have nice things

we cant

[hazy breach]

The spec where everything else is sqrt capped at 5 gets to have their main aoe spender be 8

The spec where everything else is sqrt capped at 8 gets to have their main aoe spender be 5

(ok its not the main aoe spender, but it looked good to write it like that)

[fallow nimbus]

Mistakes happen, they just switched it around

[alpine wraith]

imagine if sec tech also had a dot

that increased dmg with targets

then if more targets were alive it would do more ST

crazy

or if it worked with nimble or singular

or idk

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[hazy breach]

Now after finding this out, you probably dont want to sectech on big aoe as deathstalker

[alpine wraith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif?ex=683b0458&is=6839b2d8&hm=f391238bbd214fd3e3d0fb1749aef83515dc619f39541aaff0e54b650d9b1cc7&

[hazy breach]

Since sectech doesnt proc singular focus either

[alpine wraith]

actually yes if 10 targets +

AHAHAHA

wonder if it even krangles at 8

bp is so much stronger as DS

[hazy breach]

Ye imagine if our follow the blood talent actually worked too

[tepid trellis]

this spec is just a joke

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. Numerous bug fixes on PTR per blue post. 🪤

[tepid trellis]

yeh for mage

[lilac stag]

I joke about it a bit, but I’m where Armin was. Kinda ready to be done.

[hazy breach]

The spec where all of your damage is focused into cooldowns right, but today i spammed a bunch of first pulls in meadery

[twilit oracle]

I heard someone saying that sub just does funnel damage now or something? do you just spam single target and they cleave or are they lying (btw I have not played sub since Df so no clue what it's like)

[hazy breach]

Good procs and im peaking at like 22-23M as sub, as assa ive peaked like 32M

[tepid trellis]

it does not do funnel dmg

they gave that to the other spec

[lilac stag]

we do cleave dmg

[hazy breach]

"funnel" refers to getting more damage than you would on just pure ST, which sub does not really do

[twilit oracle]

So it's just BP spam? and secret tech whenever like in df?

[lilac stag]

no

It’s shadow strike

[tepid trellis]

your single target just cleaves

thats how it works

[twilit oracle]

ah

[tepid trellis]

they turned into a cooldown version of outlaw

[lilac stag]

it’s basically a worse version of outlaw

[twilit oracle]

dang

[tepid trellis]

that does 0 dmg

[hazy breach]

But also the aoe cleave is not particularly strong (or BP is too strong) so you'd end up BPing at like 5+ targets anyway

[tepid trellis]

with a million bugs that negatively impacts dmg

[alpine wraith]

remember unnerfed blood beast dk x2

70m dps

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[tepid trellis]

cuz blizzard cant be bothered to look at sub rogue for more than 5 min at a time unless it to fix them buffing it by 5% more than they meant to

[alpine wraith]

oh and btw you could maalus that one onto a singular target too

[tepid trellis]

i mean thats pretty much why i dont play wow outside of progress

if i did

id be extremely mad

[alpine wraith]

i also only play for raid now kinda

in bfa i checked out of m+

i did a lot in legion

only weeklies

from them on

[lilac stag]

I really like my guildies but fuck. Can spend more time dog training and not be angry at dumb shit

[tepid trellis]

ill care about content outside of prog when blizzard shows they care about sub

[twilit oracle]

Was looking to main a class as I just hop around alts like a pocket puss, but I can't seem to just stick to 1 character. My current character is boomie but i'm not doing 18s so it's pretty trash, I always seem to come back to rogue almost every season to play for fun was thinking of just sticking to sub as outlaw feels shit rollling bad rng dice the whole dungeon

[tepid trellis]

so will have to see how long that takes

[lilac stag]

@twilit oracle the spec is fun, it just has a lot of nagging issues that don’t get addressed. Eventually beats you down or you just turn blinders on and accept it.

[tepid trellis]

and before i get flamed by guy and zac, i dont mean dmg output

sub usually does fine for progress tuning wise

[twilit oracle]

I was maining assassin in season 1 at first, then ran into the problem of just declined in every key. I had almost everything in a 9 and declined in 7s which was annoying. Eventually stopped playing it, only reason I never push high on my rogue is because of just decline after decline

[lilac stag]

Outlaw Rng isn’t bad. It’s killing spree that is the issue.

[twilit oracle]

I always "main" whatever is meta and i'm getting bored of it, I just wanna stick to 1 character

[twilit oracle]

Hate that too

I die far too many times because of it

[hazy breach]

Rogue only brings damage to a key so unless the damage is obscenely high its not gonna be the best option really

[lilac stag]

It’s almost like you want them to finish the half baked rework we got

[tepid trellis]

so now i just raid log and play lost ark

and ive got a new raid in lost ark to do next week

[lilac stag]

Nice

[tepid trellis]

end boss looks fcking fun

[twilit oracle]

Dang

Idk what to main then ;(

Literally been playing non-stop since shadowlands season 2 and I have just jumped between like 4-5 characters every season

[alpine wraith]

assa had a good time with iron wire for a while

now they lose too much dps

and sub had 4 days of stunning secret

see the diff

[lilac stag]

Dmg wise I’m amused that with TFD I still can’t top meters in the opener on mugzee

[alpine wraith]

but hey top 8 burst

[lilac stag]

all that burst.

[twilit oracle]

the sub in my guild pumps

[lilac stag]

DH literally annihilates his jail add

[alpine wraith]

sorry about your other guildmates

we are literally bis gear rn and get rolled

daily

our mm and dev burst for 16m

dk ramps way higher too than me

[lilac stag]

I think I’ve got .2% dmg I can still add via upgrades.

[twilit oracle]

02:25 into the pull on mugzee myth

[alpine wraith]

damn that is sad

[twilit oracle]

he was pumping every pull

[lilac stag]

what day was this?

[alpine wraith]

dev was doing like 5.1mil around there i think

[twilit oracle]

few days ago

[alpine wraith]

on myu guild

[lilac stag]

about that

[alpine wraith]

i mean more power to him tbh

[lilac stag]

He’s gonna drop down next raid

Nah that’s 10% numbers

[twilit oracle]

if you saw my damage you'd feel even worse

😢

[alpine wraith]

dont worry ahaha

[twilit oracle]

i'm boomie doing almost bottom dps

[alpine wraith]

we wont see even those numbers again

dont worry boomie is fluffy

[lilac stag]

feral time!

[twilit oracle]

fuck feral

knock off rogue wannabe

I mean I just wanna main something that I enjoy and will be taken into stuff but idk

I'm only playing my boomie until I get CE this season (If I get it)

My first and only season doing mythic, first time boomie player too, not enjoying it as much as I would of liked. I enjoyed playing rogue more and other alts but with this being so high I cannot just swap rn. Looking to swap and just fully main 1 character and never swap but just hard to pick

[native zodiac]

that was with the 10% aswell

[twilit oracle]

dayum

[hazy breach]

My recommendation is to just play what you find fun, and dont really give too much shit about us jaded boomers complaining in here

[native zodiac]

but details is also a bit screwed

[lilac stag]

rogue has had enough good to keep all of us maining it for multiple expansions

It speaks to you or it doesn’t.

[twilit oracle]

That's the problem, i'm not entirely sure lol. I've always enjoyed assassin, I enjoy MM, I enjoy fire mage (my main this season at the start then all the worst spec in the game now basically), I enjoy arcane mage but it's hardly ever good, destro lock/aff lock

[alpine wraith]

mm is doing great rn

[twilit oracle]

Those are the ones I enjoy the most but I just can't seem to stick to 1

[alpine wraith]

although there are lots of hunters so finding a spot in a mythic guild

might be hard

[twilit oracle]

Yeah i'm currently gearing it up 658 with almost all 12s rn

[alpine wraith]

as they only bring dmg too

and mark

but rn at least their dmg is omegacracked

[twilit oracle]

Well this will be my only and last season if/when I get CE

[alpine wraith]

and also have execute

[lilac stag]

MMs issue is up and down tuning and BM is there. lol

[twilit oracle]

I do not want to mythic raid anymore

[alpine wraith]

mm also has a cracked as f tier

if it highrolls

like if we had one XD

[twilit oracle]

How do you get yourself to main 1 character tho

[lilac stag]

Legit just play what you enjoy the most

[twilit oracle]

Like I'm always wanting to try alts all the time, I have too much fun and play it too much, it becomes shit/nerfed, I find another character to have fun on and repeat

[lilac stag]

We doom in here together instead of playing the game

[twilit oracle]

I enjoy too many characters is my main problem

I'll do a key for the first time with like a sub rogue or something ,see him pump massive numbers and wanna play it

Boomie, I have horrible overalls in my 14s because ret/mm just kill everything before my dots are on them

Main reason I don't wanna play it anymore, but too far into it that I can't just quit

[alpine wraith]

i used to have 7 rogues

so uh

now i will only have 2

[twilit oracle]

I had 48 max level characters in DF

[alpine wraith]

i do enjoy diff chars tho

have a feral arms warr and arcane mage

apart from rogue

my problem is i cba equiping them

most of the time

[twilit oracle]

I want to main just 1 character but I can just never do it idk why

[native zodiac]

big benefit of rogue is having 3 dps specs, you just swap specs on farm, thats what i do atleast

[alpine wraith]

even if i enjoy them i play other games a lot

[twilit oracle]

Yeah that was my thought process for mage

I mained fire, got 666 ilvl before turbo boost, then arcane became op and I tried swapping, did no damage because wrong stats obviously and it was just unenjoyable knowing I could do way more with better stats and shit

[lilac stag]

Yep! Assa is what I find I want to swap off of way faster than the other two.

[twilit oracle]

so I just stopped playing it and went boomie

[native zodiac]

ye fuck current assa

give back amirdrassil assa

[twilit oracle]

my poo amidrassil parses

[hazy breach]

Should be 8 with finality up, more like 9 or 10 without

[twilit oracle]

fun times

[hazy breach]

Based of my napkin math, we'll see once sims are updated

Obv trickster would still use it to proc flawless n stuff

[lilac stag]

What’s getting updated?

[hazy breach]

Jump to the message i responded too and read above

#subtlety message

[lilac stag]

Oh lord

[hazy breach]

Turns out the sims wasnt having the aoe do more than it should, it was accidently reducing the main hit, but seems to not be a very relevant change overall. So sims are fine just mostly being confused why blizzard have it at 5 and not 8

[lilac stag]

Remember when realz first came on board and didn’t believe us with how abysmal Sectech dmg was? That really seems to be the underlying sub theme. Why isn’t this working as expected.

[pastel rampart]

where were u when code spaghetti
i was in kitchen making sauce when phone ring
"sub is noodle"
no

[chrome palm]

But who was phone?

[white tapir]

Is it me or is sub under performing in keys? I feel like as an assassination spec, im outputting way more damage than i can as sub.

[remote eagle]

you are not wrong bro

[lucid jackal]

Sin is generally stronger in keys, yed

[remote eagle]

still does enough to piss on some mediocre rets hehe

[chrome palm]

The prio damage profile of sin is probably more important than the gap in output with sub

Lot of pulling packs into boss, lot of deadly prio targets

[neon frigate]

Hi guys, im trying to get past mythic 13 lvls and do proper dmg. I recored a TOP 12. Could you guys take a quick look what I can improve? I screwed up at boss 4, warped in the dmg and messed up.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XhTH9NyM3FvqRPDY?fight=last

[open vortex]

just a real quick look but within the first 4 minutes of the key you accidentally double pressed symbols twice during ur cds

[oblique grove]

Fellas, why are subs holding cds for the first 30 seconds of mythic gally

and does it actually matter

[open vortex]

so you can use them all on the adds

[oblique grove]

thats what I was thinking but also too outlaw pilled to really know on my own

[warm marlin]

you will do more boss dmg casting on cd

and add damage doesn't really matter on that fight

its just to pad it up

[left ledge]

Pad

Useless

[oblique grove]

good to be back fellow submissive gamers

[round latch]

[neon frigate]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[oblique grove]

this tier was so bad

[fleet wharf]

We only storm once while dancing in aoe right? I was reading through the talents but there's no way to really guarantee that the storm crits to apply find weakness is there?

on a related note, is strike the better builder in aoe?

[dusk stone]

it depends, in keys the rotten applies a crit to the next builder, so storm

[fleet wharf]

I need to learn to read i guess. After the one storm buffed by the rotten, it's strike into BP unless coup is up?

[glacial hinge]

Deppends on target count aswell under 7 evis over 7 BP
And id assume is strike if in blades only cuz of cp generation,

[dry plank]

Play mage man. It’s always superior

[tribal blade]

oh. my. god.

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[tribal blade]

i give up

literally every sub spell interaction is bugged

[keen dome]

We should just assume nothing works with anything on Sub until proven otherwise, I guess.

[tribal blade]

the funny part is they quickly fix the good bugs

[keen dome]

Sub has a place in the game and it's over there not interacting.

[tribal blade]

yeah that's actually sub's niche lol

bugs

[keen dome]

Not just bugs. Think bigger. We've got so much more

Bugs, bad animations, weird quirks..

Backstab..

[tribal blade]

backstab is pretty bad yeah

honestly a lot of what sub has is watered down versions of what they used to be

polar opposites of what they once existed as

[keen dome]

Give us Ky'veza animations and all is forgiven

[pastel rampart]

idk id take functioning spells over animation updates

thats just me tho

[bleak night]

functioning spells will stop functioning the next patch

cool animations are forever

[tribal blade]

why not both?

i require both pls

[bleak night]

well thats the secret

[tribal blade]

that's my secret cap

[bleak night]

cool animations = more players = better chance at functioning spells

shirley

[tribal blade]

mmmm good cook

[vale pine]

Rogue animations in general are a it meh

Sub would fit the nexus princess style

[keen dome]

Ky'veza, our QUEEN

[fleet wharf]

Is there another class that's built around burst damage like sub that isn't sub? I just want to transition to playing melee next tier but I don't know every class super well, figure I'd ask

[vale pine]

arcane mage

[bleak night]

dev, arcane, mm

[fleet wharf]

Are there melee alternatives or is it just sub rogue built like that?

[random hare]

ww monk

Maybe feral too i havent checked

[bleak night]

yeah ww is probably the most similar

feral is pretty bursty right now with convoke

but if they ever go back to incarn it'll be less

[fleet wharf]

The thing about feral is they feel super inflexible. You burst one time every 2 minutes, and i kind of like the cd management of sub

Just talked to a friend who mained ww but their schtick seems to be about not repeating buttons and having a good 90 sec burst right?

[bleak night]

thats what their mastery does ye

and they have big 90s burst like sub

you arent going to find many classes that can move cds around like dance

while also doing big burst

[fleet wharf]

Yea, for sure. It's so fun, and I kind of like that rogues aren't that popular, haha. Hopefully some of the egregious bugs get fixed

[lilac stag]

Oh good morning. You just saw part of what’s not working. Did you get to SecTech yet?

[tribal blade]

i vaguely remember something about sectec, hit me

my memory is gone

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[bleak night]

[valid marsh]

!cd

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[valid marsh]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

Isn't ww also quite bugged?

Is frost mage hard casting a lot?

[lilac stag]

WW tends to have a lot of bugs as well.

Pet classes seem to just break. The stealth interactions with rogue iust make it worse a lot of the times for sub.

[vale pine]

ye, its stupid and inconsistent

[lilac stag]

The worse part of it, your playerbase should not be the ones finding out all of the broken interactions. Then to just leave them or fix them 10-14 months later. Unless of course it’s a positive error.

[vale pine]

thats a subtlety classic tho

[lilac stag]

Since legion sure. I don’t recall WoD being like this. Maybe I just finally purged it from my brain.

@vale pine new plan. For every bug listed on git, associate a VERY POSITIVE benefit with it.

[vale pine]

haha

lets gamify bugs for devs

[lilac stag]

the rotten is not properly spreading FW with shuriken storm. It’s actually causing a 400% dmg increase to the mobs not gaining FW

start a wild fucking goose chase

[hollow spear]

Kinda like PTR though. It's not like people are not reporting bugs, it's said bugs not being fixed despite the reports.

[lilac stag]

I chose violence this morning.

[lilac stag]

PTR should be an actual beta server, instead it’s basically a deployment server for content creators to promote new shit in the game.

[hollow spear]

I think that's more of a chicken and the egg story. I lean more towards content creators just looking for more content, which PTR is.

Nowadays, they probably lean into that more as additional promotion, of course.

That's more of a global problem though. Companies just have to enshittify everything they touch for the sake of profit.

[vale pine]

maybe they want to release etherials as a playable race

[round latch]

Im eating watermellon

plz continue

[vale pine]

i just think this might be the reason

there is not much more to it

[tribal blade]

OHHHH i think this is because of how sectec worked during bfa iirc

[vestal escarp]

I missed that sectech is softcapped

Since tooltip skips it

Jesus

[tribal blade]

yeah blizz and their seriously off tooltips

i just found out about sin's insane amount of tooltip errors

it's crazy

whysper has a list of em, forgot where i saw it

[vestal escarp]

On his rant

Section

Of the wowhead article

[tribal blade]

ah yeah that's right

[lilac stag]

Bliz wanting to get rid of 3rd party addons. Also Bliz, you’re required to use an outside website to decode what the ability actually does instead of what the tooltip says.

https://tenor.com/view/thebongocat-the-bongo-cat-bongo-cat-bongo-bongosolana-gif-6364132309558027102

[fallow nimbus]

What are the new bugs?

[keen dome]

Gimme ethereals

[dry plank]

#subtlety message

[dry plank]

#subtlety message

[void ocean]

its important they fixed double buff in a breathe

[twilit oracle]

Thinking about it

[clever delta]

i mean sub was always like that

[twilit oracle]

I was maiming it at the start of season got to 666 before turbo and then arcane was way better so I swapped to arcane did no damage because bad stats and gave up

[clever delta]

we have bilion amps and they never worked fully

i would rather not know as it make me sad knowing this never get fixed as its not worth attention of devs

[hollow spear]

If they fixed the bugs, they'd probably slap on another 5% sectec nerf for good measure

Subtlety is like melee arcane without the upsides

[vale pine]

secret target scaling is slightly off

so you do less damage already on lower target counts than what you would think

[haughty mural]

Great

Something new everyday

Keeps the spec fresh and interesting

[clever delta]

how do you even tell blizz about bugs