no
#subtlety
bleak night
shrewd lantern
So you're saying
dusk stone
so i still get telelported to where he started moving from?
swift tinsel
you gotta hit something first
dusk stone
nah the tricks is reserved for the ret paladin
swift tinsel
I sometimes get melee'd when I'm in range with pre-pull shroud and proc cheat insta lol
shrewd lantern
Yeah i've noticed that in keys sometimes
shrewd lantern
I didn't even know shrouding prepull was a thing tbh.
swift tinsel
or a quick vanish+shroud group sprint if you can't get a roar
swift tinsel
its a little qol thing esp if you're melee-heavy
shrewd lantern
I was more surprised since yk
some melee want to not be in melee right away
warrior, dh come to mind
bleak night
i always shrouded prepull just for anyone who wanted to be close
but then we kept pulling early on sprocket for some fucking reason so i stopped
since people couldnt be trusted
hazy breach
BM hunters have a bug that makes them lose a lot of dps if they start in shroud on pull 
swift tinsel
Noted
hazy breach
Or had? Idk if its still active
shrewd lantern
Yeah thats why we had so many sprocket prepulls
swift tinsel
ours is quite annoying so inting them is a priority
shrewd lantern
anytime priests stop spamming mindsoothe
I havent heard hunters bitch about it in a bit
so it might be fixed?
vale pine
BM hunters have a bug that makes them lose a lot of dps if they start in shroud ...
one way to win out in damage meter ^^
lucid jackal
BM hunters have a bug that makes them lose a lot of dps if they start in shroud ...
It's not just shroud
dusk stone
tricksing ret paladin is a good option too
swift tinsel
I like to tricks our holy paladin bc he'd bubble Sludgefist chains and insta-kill people
bleak night
based
i loved pugging sludgefist
bc i didnt have to deal with randoms breaking the chain
i'd just cheat death and they'd die
fiery pewter
I like to tricks our holy paladin bc he'd bubble Sludgefist chains and insta-kil...
Sludgefist was a fun fight. But we had a few guildmates of whom once you saw you were chained with them sweat would suddenly trickle down your forehead
swift tinsel
Oh same, or melee who had no fucking clue how to keep uptime and would wander all the fuck over
chrome lake
!fuu
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kind bluff
any word on the greater helm enchants?
lilac stag
What word do you need?
bleak night
bumfuzzle
lilac stag
Snugganooch
vale pine
any word on the greater helm enchants?
best is to sim it, the best simming is apperently still buggy so possibly gushing wounds or just take void ritual for conistency
kind bluff
yea i did sim, my issue was the buggy one cause it sims well but is performing like shit in game
fathom adder
greater are available in 2 weeks?
lilac stag
next time just ask if EV was fixed vs expecting us to read your mind.
haughty mural
greater available now
thought it would take few weeks after visions open - thats how i read patch notes these days 
vale pine
don't be so grumpy scath
lilac stag
not grumpy, just ask what you actually want to know. Simple communication.
bleak night
fathom adder
good to know, ty
crystal kraken
how are you guys feeling with the buff?
dusk stone
like i need another 45% to be competitive with the other rogue specs in keys
kind bluff
What I asked is what I meant. There could absolutely be more input than is ev fixed. Someone could have some different input than just that.
fallow nimbus
we aren't allowed to have dance every sod, but dh is allowed to have meta every 20secs
swift tinsel
they also have this
warm marlin
dh oversims
swift tinsel
the damage profile isn't the same as sub though
ignore number
they also don't get meta for every essb window
dusk stone
bro i just had the most wild experience
a disc priest accused me of being an account buyer while getting top dps
like he was extremely certain of it
you can feel the impact of the 4.6% or whatever it is. I got my best rookery parse by about that much
crystal kraken
I just want to play sub for raid but im too much of a numbers person xD
lilac stag
You can play it in raid
crystal kraken
were about to prog mythic mug so it would be extra trolling to not take caustic into effect
warm marlin
if you need more people to play jails sub is reasonably good at doing 2nd and 3rd set
also lets you hold flag for the 4min burn and get 2 flags in the execute phase
lilac stag
Top sub parse from last week isn’t exactly super far behind from top overall.
dusk stone
sub isnt awful at gally either
hollow spear
the way we play mug, I don't get to actually spatter into prisons
well, a little
but it's almost negligible
honest basin
i hard swapped back to sub this week, cant be fucked to continue playing sin
dusk stone
hows it feel?
left ledge
probably feels like he's playing an actual spec
honest basin
i did some keys and it felt about the same, p noticeable on the few lfr bosses i did(for rep), but feels like home tbh
i just prefer sub
is comfy
we'll see how gally prog goes tn 
dusk stone
yeah, the button feels good to me and everything makes sense
we get to use our dinars next week
warm marlin
time to do the turbo pad cd timings on gallywix 
wicked lark
Hey guys, I have 90% mastery and 13% crit.
I noticed that 84% mastery and 20% crit sims higher (2.7% more).
at what point does diminishing returns makes mastery not as good as crit? (I.e. at 70% mastery, 80% or 90%?).
I asked because I wonder if I should keep mastery around 80% and than go vers+crit
warm marlin
there is no specific amount you just follow the robot
I had 25000 mastery when i was using pvp trinket and that simmed optimally
now that I have house of cards and higher ilvl it seems to like around 18000
depends heavily on the rest of your gear
alpine wraith
yea just do a top gear on sims always
it may find diff combinations that have nothing to do with % on gear that do more dmg
fallow nimbus
Just to what the robot tells you
Also don't drift into gem sims for that extra tiny 0.1%
wicked lark
I highest sim I ever got was with 24% crit+26%vers+68%mastery (all with same trinkets) - but 68%mastery seems too low.
This is all by trying diff neck and rings (so same agility)
I’ll run more sims and see how it goes.
Thank you.
swift tinsel
Lol gem sims will give you a diff top combo every time you run it
alpine wraith
the diff is that minimal
alpine wraith
big
crystal kraken
ML 18, last boss and overall dps
standard build?
granite coral
Whats the effective way to push sub in keys? black powder just feels so bad T_T
plush roost
Black powder feels great wdym
any time i can press that shit optimally i mash it brain off
granite coral
everytime i press it on big pulls i feel like a wet noodle
plush roost
You applying FW to everything?
granite coral
FW?
plush roost
find weakness
granite coral
ah, probably not
granite coral
true
plush roost
it is 30% more bp dps
crystal kraken
ML 18, last boss and overall dps
did you log this by chance
plush roost
nah just a warmup sorry king
im in a 17 testing it some more with worse cd line ups and ill get back to u
smoky jolt
noticeable difference with the buff today?
chrome palm
ML 18, last boss and overall dps
big slam on first boss?
crystal kraken
about a 4.6% difference
hollow spear
hearsay!
plush roost
big slam on first boss?
not even optimal
i didnt use a tempered pot
cause i didnt realize i was empty LOL
smoky jolt
about a 4.6% difference <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Big enough to warrant swapping from outlaw? 😈
chrome palm
Big enough to warrant swapping from outlaw? 😈
outlaw warrants swapping from outlaw
sec tech is kinda like killing spree, except instead of trolling your group it does good burst
plush roost
did you log this by chance
crystal kraken
hero
worn ivy
Hows buffs looking ?
plush roost
whatdahek
leaden prairie
You are doing good damage tho
Im fairly certain sub is better that all of you yapper are yapping about
Same as s1!
You just need to build the sub comp like there is the outlaw comp
young path
plush roost
Im fairly certain sub is better that all of you yapper are yapping about
I agree i think its just not as good as assa or outlaw in their prefered keys. I think workshop and ML have a legit argument for sub
glacial orbit
is there a way to reduce the cooldown of shadow blades and flagellation ?
because i'm looking at some logs and the sub rogue casted shadow blades in 0:05 and flagellation in 0:02 the first time
leaden prairie
if you go into shadowland
you can equip the shadow dust leggo
and then you feel like at home
glacial orbit
but the next cast was 1:35 for shadow blades and 1:32 for flagellation
both skills have 1.5m cooldown
chrome palm
you sure you dont have that mixed up
glacial orbit
which is more than that
chrome palm
1.5m = 1:30
native zodiac
huh that wroks out perfetly then
chrome palm
because 30 seconds is .5 of a min
glacial orbit
oh right
native zodiac
blades at 0:05 means its up at 1:35
glacial orbit
thanks
chrome palm
lucid jackal
Sub is so back
tender frost
Something funky w/ latest sim? mine went up 250k lmfao
delicate wind
Is the 5% enough? Or just gonna stay bottom feeding regardless
tender frost
prob the buff got introduced to the sime
Yeah just surprised because my sim was 2.66 and it went up to 2.95
should have only gone up to about 2.78-ish
wide sonnet
The patch note is just noting the buff earlier or is it another buff?
chrome palm
It’s just ♻️
native zodiac
we are so back
warm marlin
yea spec is def pretty good when u get to pad
crystal rain
for gally, is it worth it to save cd's for first technician? or just send cds off pull?
strange chasm
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.if you do it on pull you can line it up for 3mins adds depending when you kick, if you delay it lines up a bit better for the 4mins adds
so kinda depends
opal nest
!fuu
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bright elk
has the buff been updated in raidbots?
dreamy pumice
!wa
wicked joltBOT
dreamy pumice
if im running signet trink do i always want to wait the extra 10 sec for it to line up with flag? im assuming so only doing it till next week so i can get hoc
dreamy pumice
rip =[
lilac stag
The PvP trinket a better holdover
dreamy pumice
gotcha ty
whole forum
Hello guys, question what is the enchant BIS from Visions? Echoing Void Or Void Ritual?
whole forum
EV isn’t working as it sims. So either Gushing Wounds or VR
Thank you
warm marlin
???
native zodiac
brisk onyx
swift tinsel
Yuge
hollow plinth
!fuu
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strange chasm
SUB is CRANKING
lucid jackal
Where is he
short radish
I CANT WAIT FOR RECLEAR
hollow plinth
the buff might have been more than 5%
you may be right. i need to get koji's input on the recent spell data changes
tough knot
Damn, that puts you on the first page for all classes on sprocket
shut ridge
swift tinsel
Inb4 blizz over-corrects
brisk onyx
hollow plinth
I believe it is really at least 10%
warm marlin
I mean
no way is 5% worth 600k
we did get greater enchant
and a very fast kill time
but still
dusk stone
<@968331561260949605>
? I don't quite follow
hollow plinth
They correctly increased the current spell aura by 5%
But they seemingly created a new aura to modify Spell Direct Amount by 5% and applied it to every ability as well
short radish
maybe dude has discovered some secret tech that everyone else hasnt found out.
he's the only one gapping everyone else by 25%
dusk stone
So wait we got more than 5%?
strange chasm
So sub is bugged to be buffed more than it shouldve?
short radish
wellllll
brisk onyx
But they seemingly created a new aura to modify `Spell Direct Amount` by 5% and ...
Yoooooooo
hollow plinth
I suspect yes
hollow plinth
Simc should automatically parse this so if someone has a before and after sim it should reflect the real gain
strange chasm
wait yeah how is he 25% higher lmao
short radish
Nerf nuke Incoming
not really a nerf nuke if it was overly buffed
it's literally just him
richard reverb
hazy breach
Simc should automatically parse this so if someone has a before and after sim it...
Ye seems to be roughly 10%
hazy breach
So probably just 5% twice
dusk stone
Let's verify there was a double buff
hazy breach
(comparing weekly vs latest)
hollow plinth
Ye seems to be roughly 10%
That's what I'm seeing as well
short radish
pretty sure my guild just raids the earliest
no youre clearly doing some hidden technique that you arent sharing with the class
dusk stone
10% is still not enough but it's more
short radish
warm marlin
short radish
TELL US YOUR SECRETS
swift tinsel
Okay no one else public log
bleak night
everyone shush
dusk stone
I agree sub is broken and needs more buffs, 5% is not enough
swift tinsel
Surely they leave it as an apology
dusk stone
Still can buff sub 5x as much and it will only be competitive with outlaw on some keys
hazy breach
short radish
Still can buff sub 5x as much and it will only be competitive with outlaw on som...
okay dude chill lol
dusk stone
okay dude chill lol
It's not hyperbole
civic oyster
is echoing void still bugged?
hollow plinth
Yes
dusk stone
Best Tuesday in a long time
honest saddle
so you guys think we got a 10% buff somehow?
dusk stone
No, it was only 5%
shut ridge
everyone here can keep a secret right
smoky jolt
I heard it was 3%?
tulip trail
4.6?
dusk stone
The other different stuff were seeing is because of a sampling. Bias
dusk stone
4.6% buff yes
warm compass
Is sub easy to learn?
tulip trail
everyone tell blizz to give us the other .4% or riot
lofty lance
easiest spec of all 3
warm compass
easiest spec of all 3
Really?
dusk stone
No
hazy breach
Sin in raid is definitely easier. For the most part sub isnt as hard as it might seem at first glance
lofty lance
idk for me its the easiest xd
hazy breach
Its just very punishing if you fuck up
fiery pewter
Being a sub is chill
short radish
hell yeah
lofty lance
u just press ur cds
dusk stone
Dunno I consider sin easier in keys
lofty lance
then chill
warm compass
Any video guides you recommend
dusk stone
The punishing if you screw up I'd call a difficulty thing imo
warm marlin
now what if u all decide not to reclear
until after noon utc tomorrow
so I can take a nice picture
warm compass
Just seems daunting with all the "buff" spells
hazy breach
The punishing if you screw up I'd call a difficulty thing imo
Ofc, but its a different type of difficulty than reacting to proc like outlaw
fiery pewter
but what is harder, sub or outlaw
Hmm Outlaw is very quick so if you can't handle that pace I guess it could be difficult for you
fiery pewter
I am simply a dummy who likes to use Killing Spree on CD and I got myself killed, that prompted me to go back Sub lol
dusk stone
The problem with sub is you need esp
warm compass
If they made killing spree aoe pistols id like it better
honest saddle
then you literally cant play sub or outlaw at a high level
unless you had some crazy blizz cd tracker setup
but seems unlikely
fiery pewter
Killing Spree could just be like a quick draw revolver animation, that doesn't lock you in animation in potentially dangerous areas
shut ridge
if you can react to weakauras
i've been told that it's illegal for an old head like myself to spec into outlaw
i heard the cutoff was 30
sour stump
Killing Spree could just be like a quick draw revolver animation, that doesn't l...
like macree's ult or a death blossom like reapers ult
lofty lance
i dont use trackers and stuff like that
swift tinsel
Miss Fortune but you can move
honest saddle
or like the dh where the animation goes up but you maintain control
bright elk
is there an extra buff?
swift tinsel
Pewpewpewpew
lofty lance
but im not playing at a top guild or someshit
but sometimes i parse good, but with outlaw i think weak auras are needed
warm marlin
surely they will not notice an aura buff being applied twice 
lofty lance
too much shit u need to track
warm compass
Any sub videos to watch to learn it?
bright elk
oops didnt see a red "new pin" icon
swift tinsel
Just wait wowhead is gonna blow it
dusk stone
Did you not sign the nda ryl
warm compass
ty
honest saddle
dusk stone
Do not breach the nda
honest saddle
thats a hell of a parse...
shut ridge
Do not breach the nda
too late i've already contacted the goons to twist their testicles
hazy breach
surely they will not notice an aura buff being applied twice <:Clueless:94715964...
Unironically sub was downbad enough that it wouldnt break balance that bad if it stayed
Definitely not intended though so i wouldnt be surprised either way
lofty lance
almost 3m
honest saddle
@warm marlin youre going to jail.
warm marlin
Unironically sub was downbad enough that it wouldnt break balance that bad if it...
call me a prophet
honest saddle
call me a prophet
tell that to the prosecutor and the judge, buddy.
warm marlin
dusk stone
The first rule about sub bug club is you don't talk about subs bugs
warm marlin
imagine they hotfix asap and I get hard locked r1
dull wigeon
slammed a heroic for the first time in a few weeks, buffs feel decent enough
bleak night
dusk stone
If you just delay or burn sectec it's managable
What is the name of the toy that turns you into other races?
honest saddle
atomic recalibrator
lofty lance
imagine they hotfix asap and I get hard locked r1 <:omegalul:360538346780622849>
theres nothing to fix bro
warm marlin
true
lofty lance
u had a good kill timer too on that boss
dusk stone
You're being given detention after class
Tbh tho I might shut up about how far behind we are of other rogue specs if nothing happens
Middle of the pack is fine
dull wigeon
not trolling playing the spec is all u can ask for at this point
dusk stone
I mean not really
The fact I can use a descriptor like magnitude kinda proves that
But I will settle
warm compass
Watching the video, thanks again @lofty lance. Do you recommend binding Symbols with Dance like in a macro or 1/2 press
short radish
Watching the video, thanks again <@254030876697034763>. Do you recommend binding...
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.no
dusk stone
You can
You can macro symbols and dance just also have them keybound seperately as well
dusk stone
It's like this
warm compass
I got geargrinder/thug tho
dusk stone
In the opener the first macro of symbols and dance is fine
But you want to use each Independently at times after that
warm compass
Yeah, the prep for Major cd window
dusk stone
If flag cd <30 seconds then don't press dance
If sectec cd is <9 seconds use it with symbols
spice matrix
warm compass
ty zorn
tulip trail
stop making us look good
tribal blade
stop making us look good
lol there's 0 shot sub gets nerfed
AND as i say that i'm willing it into existence
lilac stag
almost at Dev levels. ALMOST
warm marlin
lol there's 0 shot sub gets nerfed
i mean i think its significantly higher than 0 just due to the way things happened
warm marlin
maybe if they just dont notice and look at stats and see dev/ret/hunter still gapping its fine
lofty lance
Watching the video, thanks again <@254030876697034763>. Do you recommend binding...
no dont macro them together bro, thats a big mistake
warm marlin
bleak night
tribal blade
🙂
might have had someone else logging in my raid on my side on cauldron lemme check
tulip trail
might have had someone else logging in my raid on my side on cauldron lemme chec...
fancy seeing you here
tribal blade
fancy seeing you here
yooo!
oh shit nice someone logged without akaari's being a dick
bright elk
ive got snd/dance macroed but also have them on separate keybinds as well
tribal blade
i fucked up on rik so bad
i haven't done the boss for so long i sent cds immediately on pull
sad
bleak night
hardy hollow
Is subtlety on par with assassination now?
lucid jackal
Li'l better it seems in raid
tender frost
Wonder how long it takes blizz to notice
lucid jackal
Wouldn't be surprised with either outcome tbqh
tender frost
probably depends on the outcome
bleak night
shush
shut ridge
we've decided to pull a warlock and not say anything thanks for your anticipated cooperation
tender frost
im no snitch jw
bleak night
nothing to see here
tribal blade
next week remember to evasion the first slam
i at least remembered that haha
honest saddle
I havent done that boss in 2 months
when do you send now
since you cant evasion anymore
right after
?
short radish
press human racial
honest saddle
gg
bleak night
tell your pally to bop you
brisk onyx
Wonder how long it takes blizz to notice
The fact that the aura was applied twice is enough to show that the devs have been completely ignoring the sub
bleak night
maybe realz just threw sub a bone
lucid jackal
What
honest saddle
yeah, pretty sure if you go right after, youre 2nd sec tech in the second cd window comes up as he goes immune
dusk stone
I hope it was an intentional decision
lofty lance
shh the aura hasnt been applied twice
granite river
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hardy hollow
What about m*
honest saddle
I think everyone here thought it should have been 10%
hardy hollow
honest saddle
we got 10%
lofty lance
ye
honest saddle
maybe it really is intentional
tribal blade
wtf i completely shit the bed on rik and parsed a 96, wtf is happening
lucid jackal
Sin otl probs still better but
tribal blade
oh i guess all the logs are "new" for sub since 5% buff
tepid trellis
5 
honest saddle
5
tribal blade
wait what's the meme
dusk stone
What sub needs is it's balancing decoupled from raid
That's the real problem with it atm
The necessary steps to make it good break it is how bad it needs it
lofty lance
sub needs 4 shadwdances and 6 symbols, and 2 charges of flag and blades
dusk stone
If you doubled NF I doubt that makes up the gap and then we're like a fury warrior or something fantasy wise
lofty lance
then it might be decent
tepid trellis
wait what's the meme
They might have done an oopsie
dusk stone
And Noone respected the nda
bleak night
there is no double buff in ba sing se
dusk stone
Bad sub rogues, bad
lofty lance
nah they didnt do any oopsies
dusk stone
I promise I will shut up for at least a week if there is no revert
bleak night
subtlety rogues never learned to be subtle
lofty lance
all is good guys, stop talking about it
steady dune
this fucking asshole
forgive my ignorance, but what's the issue with Akaris soul in the logs?
honest saddle
wait what's the meme
MODS CLEAR THE CHAT
MODS CLEAR THE CHAT
dusk stone
Praydge not
honest saddle
@tepid trellis 
bleak night
get your parses in now
honest saddle
THEY FUCKED UP
tepid trellis
get your parses in now
They Will just get purged
honest saddle
ENJOY 4th place on meters instead of 12th!
lofty lance
does that mean that sub will be good for m+ too?
dusk stone
Look man I can't say we're gapped if you apply an order of magnitude to the buff, isn't that enough for blizz
tribal blade
forgive my ignorance, but what's the issue with Akaris soul in the logs?
if the person logging is too far away from you in raid akaari's doesn't get attributed to you
lofty lance
its ok guys, they said that we are getting 5% so people wont go crazy, but they gave us a little more so we will be happy
honest saddle
I choose to believe this ^
tribal blade
MODS CLEAR THE CHAT
MODS CLEAR THE CHAT
CLEAR
tribal blade
They might have done an oopsie
is it an oopsie or a YUPsie
honest saddle
big Yuppies
lofty lance
it is intended
warm marlin
i haven't done the boss for so long i sent cds immediately on pull
pretty sure on pull is better now
well sorta depends on your kill time
steady dune
if the person logging is too far away from you in raid akaari's doesn't get attr...
That is a wild ass bug lol. Guess ill have to start uploading logs myself
warm marlin
but the hold strat is a bit cringe with getting the final sectec in at 130
tepid trellis
Id be very suprised if they dont chop it in half
lofty lance
maybe they buffed shadowdance and symbols by 5% too
honest saddle
but the hold strat is a bit cringe with getting the final sectec in at 130
you miss the second sec tech in second flag window I think if you hold
warm marlin
yea
something i dont see many subs do though
is cold blood first sectec
if its burst aoe situation
honest saddle
on second set?
warm marlin
and holding cold blood would mean pressing it in st
lilac stag
Id be very suprised if they dont chop it in half
still not near Dev kekw
dusk stone
Id be very suprised if they dont chop it in half
Have we not suffered enough
honest saddle
I do it if big wammy dam
dusk stone
I promise to do only responsible damage with the buff
honest saddle
mostly in m+ when 1 million adds at 10% health and I know they wont be around for the second sec tech window
warm marlin
I think there are quite a few situations its good in raid
tepid trellis
Have we not suffered enough
No reason to set yourself up for being mad when its not intended
brisk onyx
Have we not suffered enough
dusk stone
No reason to set yourself up for being mad when its not intended
You're right I need to be prepared to get mad when they do do it, thanks
brisk onyx
Clear WHAT
lofty lance
the chat
brisk onyx
honest saddle
tepid trellis
How Bout no
tribal blade
LET IT RIDE
random hare
Not the hello kitty ears 
lilac stag
lucid jackal
Let me write the script on every reality real quick
Buffs were enough: omg it took them so long fuck blizzard
Buffs weren't enough: see 5% wasn't enough fuck blizzard
Spec got double buffed and is good: wow see 5% wasn't enough we needed more fuck blizzard
Spec gets its double buff reverted: wow we weren't even op and we got reverted, fuck blizzard
Spec gets double buffed and still isn't good: see even with a bugged buff the spec sucks, fuck blizzard
tepid trellis
dusk stone
I agree
honest saddle
Let me write the script on every reality real quick
Buffs were enough: omg it t...
This guy gets it
@lucid jackal have you considered a job writing movies for Marvel?
lilac stag
just happy to be doing damage
lofty lance
holy shit im PUMPING, fuck blizzard
warm compass
Best we can do is rework arcane
bright elk
id love a good arcane rework
random hare
Let me write the script on every reality real quick
Buffs were enough: omg it t...
Well someone loves to fuck blizzard alot i guess 
bright elk
sub and arcane are my favorite specs
honest saddle
if you pay attention to what @lucid jackal said. He basically admitted he is Dr. Strange and can see all possible realities.
dusk stone
Nah best we can do is 5% nerf to outlaw and 30% buff to boomie and udhk
warm compass
id love a good arcane rework
Same, on the barrage cond
lilac stag
Best we can do is rework arcane
counter with a shadow priest rework
lucid jackal
if you pay attention to what <@96834520417828864> said. He basically admitted he...
Same shit as the outlaw channel people need a new hobby
warm compass
counter with a shadow priest rework
Rather have Aug good again
bright elk
Fuck nlizzard tho
I hear Blizzard is run by the nlizzard people
dusk stone
Look man
random hare
Same shit as the outlaw channel people need a new hobby
U didnt have to be so ruthlessly honest
honest saddle
@lucid jackal you telling me you aren't a little entertained by the psychosis of others
dusk stone
The double buff Is a rare blizzard W let's respect it as such
lucid jackal
Wow is fun idk
hollow plinth
if unintended i'm curious how this happened
tepid trellis
Wow is fun once a week for 2 hours
lucid jackal
Lol ya u been grinding
lofty lance
just do some RMP 3s and relax
random hare
i like fights where u move around and shit
honest saddle
ff16 then!
dusk stone
Good news the. They released 1 button rotation
random hare
Idk
tepid trellis
I play more lost ark than i do wow atm
lofty lance
is that game still alive?
random hare
Gonna just go hit the gym and grind some irl
honest saddle
how many time a week you type in CC # on lost ark @tepid trellis
random hare
Never felt this burned out in a while ngl
tepid trellis
how many time a week you type in CC # on lost ark <@83652604344664064>
Huh?
dusk stone
I watched silo, it was ok
honest saddle
daredevil reallllll good
random hare
daredevil reallllll good
Reborn u mean?
tepid trellis
Well u aint winning against people
random hare
Bro like
honest saddle
you like batman?
random hare
No meme like
honest saddle
cause the penguin is also realllly good
tepid trellis
There aint no rankings like in wow
random hare
Daredevil is the only show where i really love the villain’s acting alot and the actor too
random hare
you like batman?
Ye ofc i watched all batman movies and daredevil’s series just not the reborn yet
lofty lance
Dark is the best show i've watched
lofty lance
ye
random hare
I think i found it abit weird
lofty lance
shit melted my brain
but i liked it
but maybe it didnt help that i watched it high
lilac stag
Ye ofc i watched all batman movies and daredevil’s series just not the reborn ye...
watch reborn now. its so damn good
random hare
Idk generally i dislike tv shows that aren’t english
I like hearing without reading subtitles
Subtitles fuck my brain alot
Part of why i dislike most anime’s too
dusk stone
Just watch the dub
trail furnace
Anyone else feeling great about the buffs? My raid damage increased significantly
tepid trellis
random hare
Lip desync will shoot an rpg at my head and i’ll close it instantly
lofty lance
i hope they dont nerf us today
dusk stone
Dubs being bad is largely just nonsense, rarely it's true but not mostly that's for sure
bright elk
my sim went from like 2.6 to 2.9 while assa is stil around 2.5 ish
random hare
I dislike dubs because
Its not the sound of the actor, u cant feel him when hes acting
It wont be the same
Acting matter alot to me
So i end up only watching english tv shows
dusk stone
The Japanese are a lot more emotive yeah
tepid trellis
Anyone else feeling great about the buffs? My raid damage increased significantl...
They May or May not have added an extra 5% by accident
random hare
Unless its le casa de papel season 1 or someshit that was good then it fell off for me
lofty lance
Loki is good too
random hare
They May or May not have added an extra 5% by accident
No way or
trail furnace
They May or May not have added an extra 5% by accident
Nerfs incoming?
shut ridge
Anyone else feeling great about the buffs? My raid damage increased significantl...
OOOooooOOoOoOoOoOoOoo there are no buffs
dusk stone
Hbo on steroids good
tepid trellis
Nerfs incoming?
Dont ask me cuh. I aint no blizz employee
random hare
I think ppl underestimate sub
dusk stone
If we get to keep them I might actually go try out mythic properly
dusk stone
Dont ask me cuh. I aint no blizz employee
Yeah how much you get paid to say that
random hare
Playing sub abit in raid it felt way too powerful sometimes (prebuffs)
It was just that no one is playing it
random hare
Ya
dusk stone
Sub felt good in raid when you wiped early, that's about it
lofty lance
but i think it will still be shit
tepid trellis
It was also overall the worst spec in raid in the game
trail furnace
I was hitting like a truck in raid today and usually I’m straight ass
random hare
when eu servers up
Nah
trail furnace
Normally I’m like 7th place in damage (straight ass) and today I was 2nd almost 1st
lofty lance
i know, but i wanna see how it feels
dusk stone
Make it 30% and it's good enough in mythic
shut ridge
I was hitting like a truck in raid today and usually I’m straight ass
you just had a good night nothing to see here move along
tepid trellis
10% better than before
dusk stone
Nah
random hare
Sub has to be 1.5x stronger than sin in 1st pull cinderbrew but
dusk stone
It just needs to do pre nerf udhk once In awhile
lofty lance
40m?
lofty lance
how the fuck can assa do 40m 1st pull brew
random hare
By being in a premade+good crits
random hare
Tank has to pull everything in 3 gcd’s
And not after 10 light years
Faster tank pulls = higher ur dps
lofty lance
yea my tanks needs 2 business days to gather
lofty lance
do u usually go for 5 ruptures max or u spread more?
random hare
Sin’s setup is the most critical moment that’ll define ur dps
lofty lance
dusk stone
Yeah now make sub good
random hare
Wait i need to think about rookery if sub can be played or not
lofty lance
ofc it can
dusk stone
Nah
tepid trellis
Just dont sectech on first boss intermission
dusk stone
Sins still better in execute
lofty lance
he wont be playing sub on 1st boss probably
random hare
Just dont sectech on first boss intermission
Doesnt hit?
tepid trellis
Nope
raven maple
Is sub looking better in raid?
tepid trellis
They Fall Down the Hole
tepid trellis
Nah
random hare
Hmm
dusk stone
Is sub looking better in raid?
Nah it was 1% buff instead of 4.6
raven maple
oof
tepid trellis
Is sub looking better in raid?
They buffed the spec by 10% instead of 5% by accident do with that info as u Will
raven maple
They buffed the spec by 10% instead of 5% by accident do with that info as u Wil...
Wtf lmaooo
raven maple
1% instead of 5% ?
humble jolt
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dusk stone
They double buffed us, none of us want it admitted because it's gonna get fixed
And we are sad again
raven maple
.........
warm marlin
yeah it felt good
i screwed up and sent an extra dance since we oneshot the boss and was my first time doing it
had to hold flag a bit on add set 😦
kind bluff
Wait did they really buff us 10%?
spice matrix
maybe they just leave it 🙂
dusk stone
Maybe they wanted to test 10% and see if it was too much. That way they can just quickly revert it
wicked urchin
gally dead 
lilac stag
jesus fuck already just stop buying trouble. play the game. if it gets adjusted again so be it
lofty lance
jesus fuck already just stop buying trouble. play the game. if it gets adjusted ...
i cant bro eu servers down :/
warm marlin
No way this guy did 3.4m
warm marlin
u guys can do rookery with it if the sub buffs stay
easily
spec does infinite dmg now
random hare
Eeeh idk
We’ll see
I wonder if sub can do like
50m dps 1st pull workshop or someshit
That’d be funny
lofty lance
xD
opal nest
is cold blood macro bugged?
keeps saying spell not learned and won't cast it
reload maybe?
wicked urchin
lagspike trolled me and i was 200-300k lower than usually the whole fight but i'll take it
buff days
lofty lance
you gotta lock in
lilac stag
is cold blood macro bugged?
dusk stone
I mean it's not
opal nest
it just says spell not learned
dusk stone
I think I have my potion, cb, and blades all on the same kb
lilac stag
it just says spell not learned
did you play fate bound assa?
lofty lance
did they fix tfd vanish bug?
opal nest
did you play fate bound assa?
yes earleir
lilac stag
that's why
opal nest
hmmm
lilac stag
spec out of it, quit and reload
dusk stone
Why no fate bound sub
lilac stag
that's useful
opal nest
FB sub sounds awful
lilac stag
@opal nest does that make sense?
dusk stone
It's not worse than ds sub
lofty lance
deathstalker sub first pull workshop gonna be huge
opal nest
<@216367377670078466> does that make sense?
yeah ty
lofty lance
they fixed tfd bug
tribal blade
ok i'm just padding sub logs right now
tribal blade
i suspect a lot of people are trying sub because they heard it got double buffed
tribal blade
they fixed tfd bug
oh did they?
tribal blade
damn
lofty lance
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
dusk stone
Oh well, just do tfd the normal way
lofty lance
they fixed the only bug that is not listed in the spreadsheet
kind bluff
lofty lance
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
zenith prism
ok I will delete the vanish-storm macro
kind bluff
Just heroic, but we looking solid.
zenith prism
tfd bug for an extra 5%buff? GOOD bargain
lofty lance
tfd bug for an extra 5%buff? GOOD bargain
thats fair
lilac stag
they fixed the only bug that is not listed in the spreadsheet
proof they actually do read this chat / pins 
steady dune
where can i find this spreadsheet?
lilac stag
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
steady dune
ez, thank you
lofty lance
proof they actually do read this chat / pins <:kekw:610125925413289985>
ye xd
but they dont click on the spreadsheet
so start spamming the bugs in chat i guess
brisk onyx
kind bluff
Fuck no, heroic.
tribal blade
even so, gj
lilac stag
but they dont click on the spreadsheet
i think some things are just easier to correct than others
though idk wtf they were doing with the RS bug
actual hell
bleak night
killed oab
and i got hit by two coins in a row so couldnt even abuse buff to parse
unlucky
tribal blade
this has been mythic for me so far
but these parses are gonna get nuked when EU gets on
lilac stag
ASSA wtf
tribal blade
teehee
lilac stag
dead to me
lilac stag
????
Yeah I’m running bleed build in raid
Trying to snipe those adds on mugzee prog
lilac stag
why do you think I’m bleed build?
wicked urchin
im coming back with a vengeance to unfuck the first half now that we can reclear again
short radish
coward
lilac stag
dead boss better
steady dune
not if you are reclearing
prime glen
wicked urchin
im nervous to jump into mug without having pulled it once
wicked urchin
im fucking pumped for reclear though
lilac stag
it’s only proccing half of sim so no gudda
kind bluff
I'm trialing for a guild now. I've been pugging all tier so I'm hoping to look good in mythic tmoro.
warm marlin
void ritual feels rng
warm marlin
and is a decent st loss at least for me
dusk stone
Sub is ok now
warm marlin
some gooner content for you all
pearl swan
No I mean the 5% was actually 10%
bright elk
I hope they let us keep it lol
wicked urchin
sub is okay now and we know that's gonna be a problem
lilac stag
fucking doomers
wicked urchin
if i doom i'll be less sad if they adjust
lilac stag
no you won’t
wicked urchin
you're right
lilac stag
So just stop
short radish
some gooner content for you all
lilac stag
It’s been a while. And I was off chasing ranged adds. Hahah
we got mugs to 41% night one. Will take that as a win for prog.
kind bluff
That's fuckin awesome
lilac stag
yeah we kinda shored up some of our players and prog actually moving along nicely.
We’re usually decent with the dance type bosses.
tribal blade
rank 1 parse locken??
apparently i have a rank 1 locken parse but it's not showing on the board
lilac stag
How do you have rank 1 with a green 
parse
warm marlin
apparently i have a rank 1 locken parse but it's not showing on the board
itll show as 100 initially because its comparing only to locked in parses
u are 3rd though
lilac stag
Oh I thought you posted raid clear earlier.
tribal blade
this will also get nuked when teh big EU boys get on
sadly
oh it's not rank 1, it's rank 3 reeeee
@tepid trellis @hazy breach @alpine wraith @vale pine if you guys could please not go too hard in raid so i keep some of these parses
that would be sick
zenith prism
They buffed the spec by 10% instead of 5% by accident do with that info as u Wil...
is this verified or just an assumption
smoky jolt
is this verified or just an assumption
Well, seeing as how I have only ever done one dungeon as sub - and overalled 3m…
Maybe it’s true lol
warm marlin
is this verified or just an assumption
verified based on spell data
smoky jolt
Sub feels so good. Glad I was talked in to the swap off outlaw today 😈
worn ivy
do we still go echoing void ?
smoky jolt
I’m using gushing.
random hare
worn ivy
CAN FEEL the buffs
random hare
lashga sub cope spree inc
civic swallow
How do i get the achievement in order to turn runed crests into gilded?
haughty mural
Good morning EU, are we ready to destroy NA parses today? 
civic swallow
May I get some advice on my gear? Im at 71 Gilded Crests and 3 dinars as well as capped valorstones, so looking at what to upgrade/replace: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/cephtis/
