subtlety

[keen dome]

Hell yeah! Congrats!

[lilac stag]

But is rogue fun?

[glacial orbit]

mugzee truly is the last boss of the tier

gally is the extra

[hazy breach]

We had 124 on bandit

[paper iron]

noob eleem

[swift tinsel]

can't be if you don't have 1 in every fight, sometimes 2

[paper iron]

[glacial orbit]

because bandit is overturned and requires specific comps

[paper iron]

we re still on mugzee but noob still

[glacial orbit]

i want them to go back to the "bring the player not the class"

[paper iron]

apparently there is a new strat on oab where u skip the last set of adds

[glacial orbit]

when it comes to raid bosses

[paper iron]

and u dont do premium bomb spawn

gg sub trash

[obtuse shard]

isnt that good tho

[glacial orbit]

kinda ridiculous that both stix and bandit need 4 boomies/spriests/locks/fmages to clear before nerfs

because of cleave

[obtuse shard]

play sub for 1m30s then do poop dmg rest of the fight

[lilac stag]

My 10% dps reliance as sub on a shaman says bring the class. Bring the fucking shaman.

[paper iron]

u dont do that poop damage

but still, skipping premium bomb at 1.40 devaluate a lot sub

oab reclears gonna be assa i guess

or mage if i can

[obtuse shard]

yeah if that's the case just play assa and chilling

[keen dome]

[glacial orbit]

outlaw with killing spree

and pray before you press it

[keen dome]

Also bring back 1:1 consumables for raid buffs and heroism

[glacial orbit]

during the pylons too

[paper iron]

nah u cant play trickster ks on oab

[lilac stag]

You can if you want to fuck with the raid

[paper iron]

from sprocket and above, i think ks is just unpressable

yea if i wanna become guildless

i ll sure do that

[lilac stag]

ez way to kick wow to the curb

[paper iron]

my rl asked me about outlaw on sprocket

i explained him he didnt trusted me

[glacial orbit]

you do it 3-4 times just to fuck with the raid and then switch

[keen dome]

There's easier ways to become guildless honestly. Like arguing that Poptarts are a kind of ravoli.

[paper iron]

i shown him he said

"just hold ks then"

yea just dont play outlaw u mean

[glacial orbit]

[paper iron]

wasnt my RL was guildies, but still point stands

[glacial orbit]

its ok in sprocket

you can play fatebound

its almost 100% uptime boss

[paper iron]

yea with the coup fix, for sure

without the coup fix it was such a big sacrifice in damage to swap off trickster

[glacial orbit]

yeah

but now its alright

after stix its fatebound

[lilac stag]

Coup fix. Trinket fix. Rip pirates.

https://tenor.com/view/piratereversed-pirate-gif-19840819

[keen dome]

I wonder what S1 coup with the charge would've been like on gallywix

[swift tinsel]

Montage-worthy

[iron fjord]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

if we didnt have enough ansurek deaths

[jaunty heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1347188346912243774/ShadowKEK.gif

Never forget

[keen dome]

Never will because it's so funny

I think my favourite wow replay gif o all time will be the imp adventure one from DF

but this is a close second

https://imgur.com/E9ZsiA8 this one

[alpine wraith]

aahha yea

[jaunty umbra]

holy shit wtf

[bleak night]

dude the imp shit was so funny

[keen dome]

Imp 131 just not having any more of this

[lilac stag]

must be friends with Akaari’s soul

[low tusk]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper rock]

Uninstall. That's what it would have been

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-kick-of-death-death-kwon-do-elevator-fly-gif-20118174

[keen dome]

accurate

[solar geode]

i love shadowstep (i dont)

[placid wasp]

holy moly this spec is so much more fun than outlaw, never played it and just made the swap, you guys are on to something

[old venture]

Our windwalker on sylvanas prog, except off the platform in p3

[lean cradle]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[ionic robin]

Yo, I need some help. I pass like shit and honestly, I have tried everything I was capable of but I still haven't improved. Anyone got tips/tricks or sees what i am doing wrong in the logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AcHZPwNxWzFX2Lv8?fight=48&type=casts&source=199&view=timeline

[lilac stag]

get a pvp trinket

[vale pine]

sylvanas was a wild fight

such a long fight, could go to the gym and come back and would still not be in the last phase

[grave delta]

Probably the wrong channel but is there a way to filter for rogue logs who did the bomb on gally

[old venture]

It was so bad

P2 was so unnecessary

[old venture]

If there’s a buff/debuff associated with it you could filter by that spell id I’m pretty sure. If I wasn’t on my phone I’d check for you

[grave delta]

this one?

[placid wasp]

why doesn't sub run subterfuge ?

[ionic robin]

You think that's gonna fix the issue lol? I saw a lot of people play Transmitter but it seemed to mess up my passes even more tbh, huge gap til I got the buff of the trinket running (might be a skill issue). Which would u suggest?

[lilac stag]

The PvP trinket.

Badge

Sub is a burst spec

[old venture]

Yeah should be that one iirc

[lilac stag]

You’re playing with shit trinkets

[grave delta]

Where do i filter it I don't think wcl lets u filter by debuffs on players ._.

[ionic robin]

Yea am aware, like I said, I used to play with transmitter. But besides the trinkets (which I can fix with some grinding I hope) seems fine?

[lilac stag]

Sure. I’m not going to dig through everything when you have a glaring issue. Opener was fine.

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[lucid jackal]

What are you even trying to figure out

[grave delta]

Just trynna filter for rogues who played with the bomb debuff

[lucid jackal]

For what reason specifically?

[grave delta]

I wanna see defensive usage in comparison to regular how scared they are

[ionic robin]

Aight, that calms me down a lil. Thank you though! Am gonna look into the trinkets in hopes that fixes something 🙂

[lucid jackal]

Only defensive for bombs would be cloak cuz feint doesn't work fwiw

[vale pine]

but it was EPIC ^^

[alpine wraith]

you can feint the giga coils dmg

likely what he is looking at

[hollow spear]

Based on your log it looks like you macro symbols and dance. Try to not do that.

[ionic robin]

I actually don't lol, I just always use them together and try not to have too much time inbetween. I also thought I probably should use just Symbols and Sectech if my cooldown on Symbols is too high but I haven't done that because I am not sure if that's right 😞

[hollow spear]

Your second flag window looks already krangled and that's either because you always use them together (like a macro would) or because you have too much cooldown left on either symbols or dance or both.

What was the radius on Sectec btw? I feel like I need to up my padding game on Rik.

[ionic robin]

Are the spells too far apart or what do you mean by krangeld? Sorry if its a dumb question I am just really trying to learn. I might have pushed out a dance-symbols-sectec cooldown too close to the 30 second Mark of my flaggelation. Should I be using Symbols and Sectec without Dance at any point?

[hollow spear]

Your flag windows should look like your opener basically

If you didn't mess up your charges

[ionic robin]

Makes sense, I will compare them and take a closer look. Thank you!

[leaden prairie]

wtf

im onto you

[bleak night]

[misty dome]

hello stabbyfrens

i've decided that i like sin and sub equally, it's like a parent choosing a favorite child

but, secretly, sub is my favorite

and outlaw, well, outlaw is the red headed step child

might forget to bring them on a family vacation by accident

[misty dome]

this part can be so hard sometimes; like sec tech will come off cd with like 12s til flag and i know if i throw it that it'll mess up my flag window at least a little... but i still want to

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/this-must-be-amazingly-exciting-for-you-eric-cartman-south-park-s14e11-coon2rise-of-captain-hindsight-gif-22864487

[misty dome]

@lilac stag oh i am so easily amused it's shocking

p sure it was at your suggestion but i did end up trying sin on some 10s and 11s @lilac stag

and of course i get the tanks that slow pulled the whole way so i never really got to roll my scents into the next packs

[placid wasp]

with the pvp trink do you just macro it in with shadow dance?

[golden totem]

with blade

[placid wasp]

even though its a min?

[golden totem]

yes

[placid wasp]

oki ty!

[hollow cobalt]

So we're playing backstab in dance again ?

[grave shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat merlin]

Sorry this question prob has been asked 100000 million times but am i spamming ruptures outside of dance windows to not drop 8 winning spree stacks? It feels so bad 😵‍💫

[hazy breach]

No

[final holly]

I'm tempted to remove the tier from my weakauras. I don't play around it at all and seeing the stacks disappear just makes me feel sad

[sly shore]

feint good on gallywix isn't it

like 3.1M damage removed a cast

[lucid jackal]

There is 0 reason to track it

[lucid jackal]

Extremely

Only thing it doesn't work on is the missile debuff

[sly shore]

[idle aurora]

How bad would sub be with all crit vs vers I wanna try sub out from assassination but don’t wanna full recraft just yet

And I have a house of cards

[hazy breach]

Doesnt matter

[idle aurora]

I’m giga mastery

So it would transition fine?

[hazy breach]

Yes it doesnt matter

[idle aurora]

Yayayayaya

Ty eleem

[fierce cedar]

man i really feel like playing sub

how is it atm?

[vestal escarp]

[bleak night]

[shell rune]

would anyone be able to help me find out why the flip I can't get shadowstrike to show as an icon for my weak aura I'm trying to build?

[twilit phoenix]

Language please

[shell rune]

would anyone be able to help me find out why the flip I can't get shadowstrike to show as an icon for my weak aura I'm trying to build?

[bleak night]

yeah watch your fucking mouth

but no sorry idk anything about wa

[twilit phoenix]

Mods play with this guy’s balls

[shell rune]

[twilit phoenix]

What spell ID are you using?

And what’s the WA

[shell rune]

I shift click from the spell book cause the ID wasn't working.

dm'd the string

it's not prono.

[twilit phoenix]

Was hoping it was

I’ll be on my computer tonight and I’ll check it out

[shell rune]

bet.

[warm goblet]

prolly wrong chat to ask this but just gathering info

do you guys know if they fixed the box thingy after floodgate's first boss? the one where you'd trigger box without pulling the pack
tried 3 times in 2 keys, everytime the pack would attack me halfway through the cast

[lucid jackal]

P decent

Think sin is a bit better on fights now but like, it still helps a lot on oab

[acoustic lodge]

Pretty sure it's fixed

[lucid jackal]

It's fun rn and it still does a job

[tribal blade]

the devs did a second pass over the notes and forgot sub again

wooo

[high flint]

i genuinely respect anyone who can play sub and pull it off

[lucid jackal]

Its an easy spec that's easy to overthink

[bleak night]

not as easy as ur mum

[short radish]

but yeah sub is kinda chill in raid

[tribal blade]

yes thank you, we are all 500 IQ in here

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/angstrom-levy-gif-16087996861448056410

average sub player

[high flint]

i dont know man

i was trying to play sub for the first time in my 15+ years of wow

and i still couldnt get th ehang of it

[short radish]

play it again or coward

[high flint]

haha my gear is optimized for assassination atm

to much effort to regear into versatility

tried it for fun and couldnt get teh hang of it

[tribal blade]

quite a common thing for people trying sub for the first time

[high flint]

i respect u all tho

[plain oasis]

sub is easier than assassination, do not get it twisted

[high flint]

wot

is it actually

surely that cant be right

[plain oasis]

i think so

its so much more intuitive

[bleak night]

i wouldnt go that far

[plain oasis]

for me

[tribal blade]

cd usage is way easier for sin

[plain oasis]

you dont have to worry about swapping targets like ever

[bleak night]

sin is literally on bm levels right now in st

[plain oasis]

you just button mash the same 3 things on repeat

[high flint]

isnt that the same with assassination

mutilate fok and envenom mainly

[plain oasis]

maybe? i couldnt get the hang of it at all tbh

[thick temple]

How do i get boss loot if the people who im waiting on to roll left the party and afk

[high flint]

and spread bleeds

[bleak night]

wait

[high flint]

it will time out

[bleak night]

[thick temple]

it timed out like 2 mins ago

[high flint]

and then the rolls will go through pretty sure

and then it will be in mail

[bleak night]

sometimes it takes time

[high flint]

if you win it

IF you win it

chances are low tho

[high flint]

you could make a ticket to blizz

if youre relaly needing it

[short radish]

i think assi is a lower skill floor but also higher skill ceiling

[thick temple]

idk i kinda need it its socketed

[short radish]

sub is higher skill floor, lower skill ceiling

[plain oasis]

i do have a question tho, when im out of shadow blades and falgellation and i only have symbols of death, how many combo points and i looking to use spenders at? surely its noy worth the energy to use another builder for 1-2 combo points?

[short radish]

??? wym not worth energy

[plain oasis]

like if i have 5 combo points should i use another builder to get max combo points or just use a spender

[plain oasis]

goodboy

thank you

[short radish]

[bleak night]

goodboy

[plain oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/twerk-dance-dog-funny-cute-gif-19259275

[high flint]

Honestly for rotations I follow hekili until I get the groove and understand why it does the things it does

[tribal blade]

WHO'S A GOOD BOY

[lucid jackal]

Bro sin has no rules LOL

[tribal blade]

pat pat

[high flint]

Works quite well

If in doubt follow hekili then try to understand later

[short radish]

[lucid jackal]

The 1 sin rule is shiv with dn and LS

[bleak night]

yeah like

[tribal blade]

i have an issue playing sin right now where i constantly am going over 5 CPs instead of just finishing on 5

[bleak night]

there is so little to it atm

[high flint]

Always shiv before a kingsbane and always shiv before a death mark

And that’s about it

[plain oasis]

contradicting yourself this fast

tsk tsk

[short radish]

sin != sub

[plain oasis]

i havent run into a math problem like that before

[lucid jackal]

And get 150 energy for kb by holding 6 seconds before

[bleak night]

[short radish]

you'll get to that in 2nd year uni

[lucid jackal]

2 rules nothing else

[high flint]

That’s pretty much assassinstion in a nutshell

LOL

[plain oasis]

^

[high flint]

Also always try to stealth before a pack

Some racist tanks in mythics don’t wait to let u stealth

[lucid jackal]

"like no rules"

[high flint]

Actually racist

[bleak night]

theres new rupture sniping stuff but that only applies when adds are dying

[lucid jackal]

As in, almost

[bleak night]

and its just rupture the add

lmao

[high flint]

I think sub is more hamstrung by no stealth ing

[plain oasis]

you didnt say like tho man

[short radish]

yessnt

[high flint]

I mean even if you don’t shiv before a kingsbane

It’s not that big of a deal

[plain oasis]

but really tho if someone could help me learn assassination id appreciate it, i couldnt really understand it

[high flint]

Dps loss but dps is still high

[short radish]

my brother

[high flint]

It’s loose rules 😂

[short radish]

you are in the wrong channel

youre looking for #assassination

[plain oasis]

then why are we talking about assassination abilities in here

[short radish]

because sub is dedge

and assassination is acutally the real rogue-general

there are 8 sub players. 3 of them now play sin

[final holly]

Nah it's really not

[high flint]

Zeross was the top sub right

I was copying his talents

Then I see he’s become the #2 assassin rogue LOL

He’s jumped ship

[high flint]

Assassin is definitely hamstrung

[final holly]

You just miss a prep proc which hardly matters if you're getting max CP from a single fan gcd

[high flint]

Opener from stealth to let you spread rupture and Garett is significant in big clusterfuck pulls

[short radish]

assi gets more value out of restealthing than sub tbh

because of IC

[high flint]

Interesting

Yeah

[final holly]

Yeah I'm just disagreeing that sub is hamstrung more than sin

[short radish]

sub you get TFD but chances of getting out of combat that long

are not high

[final holly]

Sub loses virtually nothing by not getting stealth between pulls

[high flint]

Maybe I should give sub another try

I been operating with the wrong assumptions gg

[short radish]

sub is easier in raid tbh

keys its a little finicker

[high flint]

Sub is insane single target deeps

I can definitely see the difference

[tribal blade]

doesn't really matter when sin shits on sub's aoe

[short radish]

yeah

i have nfi what im doing as asssi

probably 50 things wrong

still blasted in priory

while doing 0 boss damage

[tribal blade]

yeah it's absurd aoe

and not exactly horrible ST

[short radish]

this week is also a bad week to play sub because you get 0 bonus from the affix

[final holly]

I don't think it's even possible to do 50 things wrong on sin

[short radish]

you havent seen me play sin yet

[tribal blade]

you can definitely play sin wrong

[high flint]

Is sin the nickname for assassinstion

[plain oasis]

yer

[high flint]

Aight

But honestly sin is easyish to play from an aoe mythic perspective

[tribal blade]

if you don't play around IC and vanish charges properly you're not gonna do great dps

[high flint]

Just open from stealth

[short radish]

no we just say sin for assassination because it's a sin that they keep getting buffs every tier

[high flint]

One ambush into a tonne of garrotes into the spreadable ruptures

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892626435984998431/1361157447976484944/image.png?ex=67fe64e8&is=67fd1368&hm=b61ef45f21e2342a5e4c738e1e362eba25373d722cb38c946a6cdb5849bb71e4&

Dps is about peaky like this in every encounter

[plain oasis]

i think my issue with sin was the long ass build up time

[high flint]

Each time you come out of stealth it’s a mad spike in dps

You get one stealth opener and then two vanishes really

And that’s about it

[plain oasis]

sub feels nicer to just jump to 9m dps in 2 seconds then slowly fall off

[final holly]

That's what I hated too, but bleed fixes that quite nicely

[plain oasis]

wdym by that?

[final holly]

I mean on hybrid it felt like you were spending 15 years preparing to juice the shit out of a kingsbane

[tribal blade]

not playing with kingsbane is incredible

10/10

[final holly]

Now you just dot things up (by hitting the same target over and over, I'm too lazy for target switching) and just vibe

[plain oasis]

maybe thats my issue

what build would you suggest captain

[final holly]

Check out the pins in the sin channel, it's a fairly recent thing

[tribal blade]

hybrid build has a few different variants, bleed build is just 1 build

[bleak night]

yeah its only existed since df s1

[paper iron]

i can go in any channel in this discord

first thing i ll see

is a sin talent build

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

[bleak night]

people are finally accepting fate

[final holly]

the sin talent build

[tribal blade]

why iceskate uphill

[high flint]

I’m just an average or maybe above average sin rogue but kingsbane feels pretty single target biased to me

[tribal blade]

when you can turn around and go down with 0 effort

[high flint]

You can do without kingsbane

[paper iron]

well

fun fact for u

[short radish]

all channels except assi is the real assi channel

[paper iron]

kingsbane is shit as fk in single target

[short radish]

#assassination is just rogue-general

[paper iron]

the king is dead long time ago

[high flint]

Really

What’s it useful for?

Isn’t it a single target ability

[paper iron]

it is

[bleak night]

low target cleave

[high flint]

Launch poisons into the target

[paper iron]

it s a 1mn cd

that does same damage as ONE envenom

[high flint]

Two kingsbane for every one death mark

[paper iron]

the setup he sent above

is the "best" single target build in m+

the real best to me involve forced induction on hyrbid with ttk

[high flint]

Skill trumps all tbh

[bleak night]

well yeah no one denies fi is better in st

its just they dont think its worth the aoe loss

but in super high keys idk

i dont go that high so i dont think about it

[paper iron]

i ve done some keys with zero

we were testing it all arround

bleed wins in aoe in low keys

but also wrong data cuz i demised it all before he can hit anything

but the boss / prio dam is no contest way better on ttk fi

1.9m is like mandatory

(high key that is, again)

[tribal blade]

well demise isn't exactly pad damage anymore

because it executes at a higher threshold

[paper iron]

what i meant is that

my demise procced before his

[tribal blade]

oh right

gotcha

[paper iron]

he had 0 exec damage during the whole night

[short radish]

wait double assi?

[paper iron]

we wanted to try double bleed but we guessed it would be really troll and be the best sniper win

[short radish]

[paper iron]

yea

wanted to test hyrbid ttk fi vs bleed

[final holly]

What's ttk?

[paper iron]

twist the knife

[final holly]

Ahhh

[plain oasis]

time to kill

[paper iron]

instead of MA cuz MA is kinda trap to us, it s too much dam into a small window while ttk gives u more linear dam

[plain oasis]

dont let him lie to you

[paper iron]

which is better the higher the key, feelcrafty

[bleak night]

if linear damage is better in higher keys why isnt outlaw meta

[tribal blade]

oh interesting

[paper iron]

there is something call no cds at all, target cap, bad design, killing spree

[bleak night]

sounds like excuses to me

[tribal blade]

oh bleed build can't get ttk damn

[paper iron]

u dont want ttk anyway

[tribal blade]

yeah bleeds just do way more than envenom

[paper iron]

i wish we could get zoldyck / blindside as hybrid, that would make the build REAAAAAL good in m+

[bleak night]

that would be hype

[tribal blade]

that would make hybrid pretty good yeah

[twilit phoenix]

Zol this dyck

[paper iron]

i d drop kb / demise for that everyday

scent is just too good

[final holly]

My personal issue with sin is I always feel like I'm made of paper compared to sub. And I'm bad so being harder to die is a big deal for me

[high flint]

Does crit mast work for sub gearing or is it definitely vers mast

[tribal blade]

it's easier to press feint as sin tbh

[paper iron]

yea you re definitly squisher

[random hare]

yo

sin talk

without me

???

wtf

[paper iron]

less vers

[random hare]

hello people and peoplement

how are u all doing

[paper iron]

less defensives talent

[tribal blade]

sub is dead zero, only sin remains

[paper iron]

zero

u want a joke

[random hare]

ye

[paper iron]

there is the joke

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

where is that

wait

[paper iron]

just above

[random hare]

brother

u know that

sin has more linear dmg

than outlaw?

[high flint]

Combat rogues being meta dang

[random hare]

or do u not know that

?

[bleak night]

me when joke

[plain oasis]

hamster i looked at your twitter, what is this thumb and foot photo i found

[random hare]

this build is the best for constant dmg for all types of rogue builds (all specs)

for high m+ that is

and does very well st

[final holly]

Don't worry about it

[plain oasis]

brotha your thumb is like a god damn ruler

[bleak night]

@paper iron why call police on my joke

[copper siren]

Are there any hints so sub buffs? Looking at archon and it looks just behind overall damage vs other specs. In keys I find I start off strong but at the half way point I start to fall behind relative to other DPS. Our initial burst is huge just over the long term it feels it just struggles to keep up. I love playing sub and praying there is something coming down the pipe.

[plain oasis]

wildly impressive

[random hare]

xdd

[paper iron]

i had to bel

[random hare]

just a matter of time

till people realize

that this build does really good dmg

people are just stuck in bleed build's mindset

OMG 38m sudden demise

MUST BE OP

NO CAPPY

[bleak night]

[paper iron]

!design that s just the design of the spec kinda, u popoff during cds then you do healer damage for a bit

[high flint]

Can i get that in a pastable format

[plain oasis]

your thumb grows longer the further i scroll down what is happening

[high flint]

*pastable format

[paper iron]

tuning wise sub is a bit behind lot of specs

will probably get some love soon

[random hare]

sure just change cheat/cosmetic talents however u like

[paper iron]

[random hare]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZGmx2MAAAAAAMLw2MAAAAAA022MzgZGjZmZZ2GzMYmZmZwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

remember

this build

REALLY LOVES pressing shiv

[high flint]

Love u bro

[random hare]

so do not miss shiv

at all

especially when theres like

[tribal blade]

i just prefer bleed's playstyle

[paper iron]

lmao

[random hare]

2nd boss workshop, if boss 1% hp

press shiv

[tribal blade]

over hybrid

[random hare]

u get supercharger

its op

[paper iron]

zero cant post this build on sin channel

or else

he s getting perma

with vrgl

[bleak night]

[twilit phoenix]

Whispyr is gonna goon ross on stream

[random hare]

im ready to play with any sin rogue in the world

and see

how much he can do

against me

on this build

im just curious

[twilit phoenix]

Ross built diff

[random hare]

on why people think bleed build is op

[paper iron]

u know why

because it s easy to play

u just press bleeds u happi

[random hare]

ye

prob

and then

[paper iron]

low keys u have demise dopamine

[random hare]

some squared head guy

[tribal blade]

yeah makes my brain very happy

[random hare]

shows up on my stream

and tells me

[paper iron]

i think bleed no cap

can do well until 16

[random hare]

"bro u dont seem familiar with the new minmaxes"

LIKE

WHAT

??????????????

[paper iron]

like very well

[random hare]

brother

my guy

[paper iron]

but then fi takes over

[random hare]

i'd rather read the faq 100 times

than farm 1 item

for 10 hours

[copper siren]

Yeah totally. Might just be me but I find as a key progresses the CD bursts just don't make up for the lows. The first half a key I keep up but the last half I fall behind.

[high flint]

That guy doesn’t know ur the one creating the minmaxes

[random hare]

like that build isnt better on all keys just fyi

its just

REALLY good on some keys

[paper iron]

yea that s kinda the bad part of subrogue currently, the highs arent high enough to compensate how lows are the low

[random hare]

like

way better

does way higher st

[high flint]

Can I get a list of which ones LOL

Guessing theatre of pain type

[paper iron]

also make sure to have a sham buff in your group, that s mandatory 10% damage no cap

[bleak night]

sub without skyfury

[paper iron]

it s probably better everywhere

i think dfc can have an easier time as bleed

cuz of the ct funel

[tribal blade]

sub is honestly a dead spec if you don't have skyfury in your keys

[random hare]

this build is very good in priory btw

very very good in priory

in high keys that is

[high flint]

Alrighty

[random hare]

same with low prob

[paper iron]

hyrbid is bad on low

cuz u press kb

[random hare]

ye sure

[paper iron]

and the mob dies after 4s

[random hare]

btw

[final holly]

Don't worry about it

[paper iron]

[random hare]

on floodgates

[twilit phoenix]

What build is ross linking anyways

[random hare]

u swap to sub after 2nd boss

on flood

[twilit phoenix]

Is that bleed or hybrid

[random hare]

hybrid supercharger

the one that whispyr doesnt agree with

[high flint]

How do you swap specs mid dungeon

[twilit phoenix]

Oh based

[random hare]

tp out

[high flint]

Wait really

[random hare]

hearthstone to the nearest HS/ or dungeon tp

[high flint]

Hold up are we min maxing so much we tele out to switch specs

[random hare]

theres a close HS to floodgates

ye

[high flint]

Fascinating

[paper iron]

u cant do 3rd boss as assa

[random hare]

well rogue is prob strongest class in floodgates

[paper iron]

that s kinda

[tribal blade]

it's a common thing in high key pushing

[random hare]

not even kidding

[paper iron]

inting

[tribal blade]

happens every season

[paper iron]

but before 3rd boss

it s assa dream

[random hare]

but u cant spec swap in mdi (old name is tgp)

so u wont see a rogue in floodgates

cuz of that

[random hare]

thing is

after 2nd boss its sub dream

so its really really good LOL

[paper iron]

big momma as assa

mama

[molten citrus]

i can tell you don't know zeross like we know zeross

[paper iron]

shredders pull as assa

mama

[paper iron]

2 targets boss as assa good

[random hare]

u have cds on those 2 packs

and u skip the rest

SUB IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OP

on those

2 pulls

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OP

[paper iron]

speedshroud mandatory

sub op

[random hare]

bro no cap

sub does more than udk

on those 2 pulls

its that crazy

[twilit phoenix]

Imagine if shroud slowed instead

[random hare]

ur just a pvp player

[paper iron]

LMAO GOOD COOK

[random hare]

u prob never did a +10

no cap

dont mean to be mean tho

[paper iron]

trickz is op

he taught zac how to pvp

[random hare]

@molten citrus btw

[molten citrus]

[random hare]

u know how u cant sim things for pvp

its kinda same for sin in m+

ngl

like

we had weird talents to run in s1

[molten citrus]

i was doing 20s before u were in this server nocap nocap

[random hare]

mega weird talents

[paper iron]

pvp sim

raidbot gonna tell me my pvp rota

so i can do a castsequence macro

[high flint]

Let’s get u back to bed grandpa

[random hare]

censi

casual was playing this

in dawnbreaker

if

whispyr see's this

he might perma ban him

but

this is the fastest build

in the game

[molten citrus]

he's been in here for like a year. hold my drink kiddo

[high flint]

He’s got the kingsbane out

[random hare]

for dawnrbeaker

[paper iron]

idk

about last season

[random hare]

legit makes the run 100000000000000000000000000000000% faster

[high flint]

I joke I joke

[paper iron]

stuff

[random hare]

ye im just telling u

i was kinda doing 16-17s so i wasn't convinced with casual

cuz i was just doing low keys

when it comes to the highest keys at ur ilvl

supercharger build shines

[paper iron]

u gotta

take the ST

u can on assa

[random hare]

ye

u rly need to

[molten citrus]

i just don't buy that tbh. barring some outliers ofc.

[random hare]

idk why ur

[random hare]

even

[paper iron]

GIMME ACCESS TO THESE 2

[random hare]

replying to that

[molten citrus]

rogue has like, the best dslice support out of every class in the game right

[paper iron]

I BEG

REWORK TREE PLEASE

[random hare]

on sin rogue?

xd

sure buddy

get me any bleed build player

i'll destroy his ass

[swift tinsel]

I think SD is hard to model for sin so it’s kinda krangled

[random hare]

in meters

[paper iron]

as i said

[random hare]

legit find anyone

[paper iron]

dslice is good for top gear as assa

but for talent i doubt

[molten citrus]

you been posting screenshots of keys Censi died in

[paper iron]

it says bleed build is 35% better than fi ttk

[molten citrus]

like that means your build is better

[paper iron]

i mean

[random hare]

bleed build does +10% in dslice, and undersims because of sudden demise not showing in sims

[paper iron]

i know how much better i can do

[random hare]

ur either rage baiting or extremely dumb

[paper iron]

and i just cant catch the dude cuz of the st

that s the fact

[random hare]

because he died once and he was sniping all sudden demise hits

and

i did ALOT of more st than him

let alone my aoe was about the same

meanwhile i was lagging

[molten citrus]

nah you both played 100% perfectly like robits

i'm sure

[paper iron]

i think bleed is good for real

but currently assa st is outrageous

[random hare]

ur just clueless

about m+

trickz

[swift tinsel]

I’ve heard everyone here plays like robits

[paper iron]

and it needs love

🥺

[random hare]

i cba arguing this out

[molten citrus]

ross

[random hare]

because i dont think u have any idea on how sin talents work in m+

[bleak night]

the funniest part is i think if zeross and whispyr worked together it would actually do some impressive things but that'll never happen

[random hare]

because i tested alot and they dont really match what sims do

and i played with alot of good rogues

[molten citrus]

then stop spamming non assa channels with assa 'cook'

[random hare]

to confirm that

[paper iron]

this is so true actually

[molten citrus]

[random hare]

casual and zac btw

both very good rogues

played with both

[random hare]

i mean me and zac worked together alot in DF

with outlaw TC

outlaw is bad in tww tho so i wont give a shit about that sadly

[paper iron]

when outlaw was playable and kir was goat

🥺

[random hare]

wouldn't mind working on st but i cba ngl

[molten citrus]

worst part fr

[random hare]

unless its zac i wont bother

[swift tinsel]

Restless Crew when

[tribal blade]

wait what's the tea on this

i haven't heard this lore

[bleak night]

zeross is zeross

[molten citrus]

i don't think there is any

[bleak night]

there is nothing interesting to it yeah

[molten citrus]

ross is just insufferable a lot of the time

[bleak night]

at least nothing i know of

[twilit phoenix]

Tldr Ross was against the Ukrainian mineral deal and Whisp was for it

So they are kind of bickering about it

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[bleak night]

whispyr does love his minerals

[strange chasm]

so you arent convinced bleed build is better?

What are you running rn?>

for 15s and up

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade this is fine.

[paper iron]

he s currently only running 18's and above and he plays hybrid with forced induction and ttk

or sub if he has a sham

[tribal blade]

massive aoe

[random hare]

its good in +10s

not in higher keys for sure

its probably also fine for floodgates first part of the dung

until 3rd boss then ur gonna do tank dps, better swap to sub before that

[strange chasm]

you just running hybrid then?

[random hare]

supercharger hybrid

by removing subterfuge

and no masterassassin

[quiet harness]

How hard do we scale with gear? Can I expect my parses to go up significantly with this? Currently in 80s trying to get 90s, 662 ilvl

[short radish]

mythic or heroic

[stiff spear]

What bugs do we currently still have on Sub?

[tribal blade]

!bugs

!bug

hrm forgot the command for that

i think the most relevant ones are tier set still bugged with sectec

and rotten bugged with consuming both charges w 1 storm

[stiff spear]

does it not profit from tierset still? damn

[tribal blade]

iirc it sometimes does, sometimes doesn't

[wispy bolt]

how would blizzard even go about buffing aoe without buffing ST. seems like our design is a little too intertwined for AoE and ST

[stiff spear]

lower energy cost on Shuriken Storm and/or Black Powder maybe

[brittle plinth]

I wouldn't say no to a lil backstab bufferoni

[stiff spear]

wouldn't it be nice if we could play Gloomblade with current set

[wispy bolt]

replicating shadows spreading flag would be SICK

its basically already a rupture

[tribal blade]

flag itself doesn't actually do any dmg

not like when we had the lashing conduit during SL

[wispy bolt]

yeah but we could cleave on it so doesnt that count or is it not coded like that

[tribal blade]

the main thing about flag is the mastery buff

which is a big boost to cleave already 😉

[wispy bolt]

yeah but mast increases with damage dealt by flag which procs on combo points spent on the target. What if we got 2 mast buffs from 2 target 🙂

[stiff spear]

you'd get dr pretty quickly x)

[tribal blade]

that would be kinda crazy

[quiet harness]

Heroic, 40-60 on myth

[wispy bolt]

couldnt be higher than current dk aoe

lol

[stiff spear]

feel like HoC needs an added +10k dps when simmed against Transmitter just for not having to deal with the stupid mini-game anymore lol

[short radish]

heroic if youre like 660+ you can get 90-95s by doing rotation correctly + taking advantage of padding

5ivll wont boost your parse by 10%

[wispy bolt]

timing is everythign for parses. group doesnt kill when youre peak bursting and it gg for parse

[short radish]

thats why i said 90-95

[stiff spear]

story of my life rn

[short radish]

tbh you can get 95 min if you do things correctly

even if you get a really shit kill timing

(in heroic)

[wispy bolt]

if the boss dies in the last 30 sec while waiting for cds youre purple or maybe blue

[quiet harness]

Back to the logs I go, tbh not worried about myth parses as long as we get kill

[short radish]

yeah myth parses who cares

kill the boss

[wispy bolt]

parses this season are kinda fake imo so

[short radish]

do mechanic

[wispy bolt]

kill the boss

[lilac stag]

10 priory. Lol

this was 12 flood

[stiff spear]

if you haven't check out lorrgs.io to see what other rogues do when in boss fights

[short radish]

yeah i think you should still try and do timings according to good damage

eg sprocket you'll see that people delay the 2nd flag by 20 seconds

to line up better with being able to sit on boss

but its more

[wispy bolt]

oh yeah stuff like that is important

[short radish]

if you get a shit parse because you had to do mechanics

then so be it

kill the boss

[quiet harness]

Ty goats

[bleak night]

no if you cant parse that pull then wipe the raid and go again

[short radish]

based

[tribal blade]

lol he got yeeted

which one of you green/purple names got rid of him

[short radish]

who got yeeted?

[high flint]

Feels like I missed something spicy

[random hare]

Both solo and whispyr

They both nuked him

Double shot

[tribal blade]

hahaaaaa noice

[tribal blade]

some guy posted a discord link for some cheating server

[high flint]

cheating in wow? like for pvp?

[tribal blade]

i have no idea, i didn't click the link

but i know there are certain cheats you can use in wow

stuff like autoclickers

i think there's some scripts to do stuff like insta kick spells in pvp

[high flint]

oh yeah

thats right

those kick macros or scripts are actually insanem

[tribal blade]

it's usually pretty easy for rank 1 pvpers to spot it

[random hare]

Virus link potentially

He wasn’t trying to hide that, his name was virus

[tribal blade]

yeah or that

LOL it was

[random hare]

Yea

[tribal blade]

i really hate cheating

[random hare]

I love cheating

Any abuse any bug plz let me know

R1 bug abuser here

@leaden prairie any new bugs?

[high flint]

once upon a time i used to be good at pvp

but then everything changed in this game

[young mural]

yo fuck blizzard's tuning team

bunch of dumb people

a bunch of imbecils without brains

[high flint]

Imagine the spaghetti code they deal with tho

It’s like 20 years of spaghetti to sift through

Only other game I can imagine that’s close to the level of spaghetti is RuneScape

And we all know how shit RuneScape has become

[short radish]

only mugzee bug

[tribal blade]

what's the name of the ability on bee boss in cinder that spawns the bees

is it snack time

[iron obsidian]

hey quick q

are you able to cloak the ice dagger on mugzee

or no

[hollow spear]

Don't think you can

[short radish]

no

cant immune it at all

[honest saddle]

!wa

[vale pine]

hmm

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[honest saddle]

thanks @vale pine my internet is being weird. In vegas at hotel.

[vale pine]

its not your internet, the bot did hang

i restarted him

[stiff remnant]

!bp

if I'm only gonna be doing keys, is focusing lens still the best embelishment?

[scarlet tangle]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[scarlet tangle]

@vale pine where did that graph for timing your Symbols/Dance outside of major CD's on the guide go?

[vale pine]

not sure what you mean

[severe prism]

Sometimes (in symbol windows) i have like 6 stacks of shadow techniques, i do a finisher (still at 6 stacks) and by the time i can do my next gcd, i guess i get a 7th stack and it uses the stacks to refill all my combos, but i kinda already pressed shadowstrike or whatever builder, am i just stupid/slow thinking, or is there something i can do to avoid that ?

[alpine wraith]

that only happens with coup

otherwise if you just used a finisher and did not get a refund you would just get it after

[severe prism]

oh... hmmm maybe, didn't pay attention to that

[alpine wraith]

but you could make a WA with a sound if you use coup with 6 cp in sht

like a WWEEEEE WOO WEE WOOO

so you know to get ready to spam a finisher

[severe prism]

Thanks :), ill try to care about that

Also outside of major cds, is sectec as a second dance finisher still a thing ?

[scarlet tangle]

I remember there being a chart on the guide in the recent past that was a timeline of opener and the timings of Symbols/Shadow Dance in the next 90s

and like when to use Dance with Symbols and when not to

Did I just make this all up am I delusional

[raw pebble]

Btw lads. A question of the first dance in practice. I am aware how that thing works obviously but in m+ it can get tedious to use. Whats the main philosophy of its actual usage in the field?

Do you use it as a bonus(aka if you got it good, if not keep calm and carry on) or actively wait for it for every pack? Feels like I am wasting so much time(and overall dps) just standing idle for 5 sec(possibly +5 extra more if the timer gets reset if you get into combat or something) and doing nothing before every pack.

[vale pine]

i had one before for the optimization section but haven't done one for this patch

[scarlet tangle]

Oh okay cool. I was just curious since seeing it is a bit easier than reading the timings, thank you for the info tho :)

[dreamy badger]

Dont wait for it

[hazy breach]

Waiting 2 seconds at the start of the pull - Fine

Waiting the entire bugged reset for 6s? Nah

[hollow spear]

Do the spare keys actually correctly downscale with more targets? I always feel like they do more total damage if there's adds than if I just send on boss.

[warm goblet]

how do you get pvp trinket? google doesnt help me i feel very dumbo

[hollow spear]

get conquest, buy it at the pvp vendor in dornogal

[warm goblet]

oh okay simple as that

is it 800 ish?

[keen dome]

It's 700 conquest. You buy it from the conquest vendor in Dornogal 🙂

So once you get 700, you are donezo

[warm goblet]

okay cool, thank you guys very much

[keen dome]

Can do it via pvp queues, weekly quest, warcreate farm (every 30 - 40 minutes a box in warmode drops that gives 60 conq) etc

[haughty mural]

And transmitter is gonezo

[warm goblet]

transmitter is making me go nuts

not being able to succesfully complete the task means youre playing with a wq stat stick trinket

but will pvp make me go even crazier? guess well find out

[vestal escarp]

Say what you want but transmitter was strong

And carried sub

[warm goblet]

still horrible to play

very good but very horrible

[vestal escarp]

Absolutely

[hazy breach]

Wdym downscale, split even between target trinkets scale up slightly with more targets

Iirc its +25% per extra target, so it does 100% more at 5 targets than 1

[hollow spear]

Yeah that was my question

So you basically get higher value if you snipe more targets

Because I thought damage would just get halved if you had two targets

The tooltip kind of implies that at least

[leaden prairie]

dont think it was that much

should be 10 or 15

unless i misremember

[hazy breach]

I remember them buffing it in tww

But even so, double damage at 5 targets is still quite bad

[leaden prairie]

ah like all the split daamge effects?

thats possible i dont rememrb

[hazy breach]

Ye

[alpine wraith]

just get grim codex for big uncap

wonder when it begins being better vs the split ones

[haughty rose]

where do i need to go to see the same stuff as you? warcraft logs is incredibly complex if you don't know where to find stuff

nvm i found it on wowanalyzer

[tepid trellis]

[alpine wraith]

hmm

[round latch]

[lilac stag]

[lilac stag]

I’ll be the bearer of bad news, sub isn’t supported by WA. Guessing you ignored that message / warning.

[hallow grotto]

Thanks for the help guys! im up from 1.2 mil overall in a dungeon to 2mil!

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

there's still time for blizzard to post last minute patch notes for us

[keen dome]

they buffed the ring at the last moment

there's def hope for us

[short radish]

[lilac stag]

More like what did they break

[hollow spear]

sectec clones might not work anymore

who knows

[vale pine]

XD

[hazy breach]

Surely they didnt buff us because theyre fixing bugs

[tulip gorge]

you expect negative bugs to be fixed? lmao

[fallow nimbus]

If the patch goes live and bugs are fixed it would be a powermove then buffs follow because fixes aren't enough

It's the only explanation that makes sense

[plush roost]

Best i can give ya is both rotten charges being consumed by any builder

Take ya bugs or leave it

[paper iron]

Nah eleem

As an outlaw main

The only bugfixes they do to rogue result in dps loss

Or loss of fun

It s Never à positiv bugfix

[bleak wind]

nah they just remove the raid wide parry, doing so they might remove the damage buff for the rogue as well cos why not

[paper iron]

Oh yea

Progging mug as sin

I get to remember what parry is

Fk that shit dude

[bleak wind]

I am still amazed that parry is still a thing

[paper iron]

Yea

Give them spell résistance back

So they can relate

[leaden prairie]

why is there parry in raid but not m+

kinda break my immersion blizzard

add it to m+ maybe ?

[paper iron]

that s the most cooked and blizzard way to fix an issue

instead of fixing it, doubling it

[haughty mural]

Remove tricksters party thing and nerf sub

Double hitting us

[leaden prairie]

trickster parry working for everyone is prolly a bug

so thats getting fixed

you are keeping all the other bugs tho

[haughty mural]

Priorities ofc
Fix positive bugs and keep negative bugs

[leaden prairie]

Outlaw has a bug that makes one of our most fun talent barely worth/not worth to take for some builds just cause it doesn't work as it should, also like a 3% slice loss