if you're pugging don't bother
#subtlety
jaunty umbra
gritty knot
whats a good % for simming realistically with dusk lining uptime purely for dungeon slice m+ only? default 60%? higher?
paper iron
Kezan is pretty good but in pug
slate marlin
id rather have tfd than kezan staxked tbh
vale pine
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warm depot
!up
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pure dust
thanks will try that
hazy breach
Resets
meager coyote
!sheet
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karmic harbor
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real panther
so outlaw is the meta again?
tame terrace
how bad is it to macro symbols into dance (but still have symbols on a sep keybind for if u need to use a dry symbols somewhere...or is dry symbols not a thing)
hazy breach
Well every flag&blades you want to use dance seperately from symbols
So yes you can have them macroed if you have a seperate symbols bind and a seperate dance bind as well
tame terrace
ok so we dont need to line up symbols with dance too much? just have those both avail when flag/blades is up?
hazy breach
Well theyre used at the same time
Except when i mentioned
The second dance in your flag+blades
tame terrace
ah ok
hazy breach
And sometimes you want to send a solo symbols as well
But mostly theyre used at the same time
tame terrace
ok cool
lilac plume
What do if you have Tech and Dance up but no Symbols?, is it super dry Tech with nothing else or Dance+Tech?
tame terrace
with the cold blood opener optimization, we still just send cold blood with tech any time afterwards right? then just hold for second tech in blades/flag rota?
bleak wind
@hazy breach is it possible that the chance for dropping the tier set is rppm, I feel like quite often after doing your cooldowns with double dance it drops on the first evis outside of dance
molten citrus
What do if you have Tech and Dance up but no Symbols?, is it super dry Tech with...
you shouldn't let yourself get into this situation
molten citrus
with the cold blood opener optimization, we still just send cold blood with tech...
iirc it can be very tight to get extra cast in between CDs and is neutral anyway so can be ignored
young roost
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hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> is it possible that the chance for dropping the tier set i...
I think we double checked it and it seemed fine during ptr
(ie being 15%)
I agree with your feeling but i think its just bias
vestal escarp
vestal escarp
Can’t say this isn’t just better design
You picked the one that is 1:1
hazy breach
Shit feels awful
Then dont track it 
ashen terrace
Yeah I mean you don’t have to track it but it’s def nice to for some scenarios
hazy breach
It doesnt affect the gameplay anyway
bleak wind
is there a query you can do to see how many times it drops on logs
it just feels like its 15% chance but with a 'good luck protection' so if you have a fight with 100 eviscerates you will have 15 of them drop the stacks but it counts the ones in dance that shouldn't drop it if that makes sense
vestal escarp
Still no wa that shows tiered stacks uptime
steady estuary
Hello boys, as a Sub which Hero Talents are better? Trickster seems to be more fast paced that deathstalker and with more damage output
paper iron
Can’t say this isn’t just better design
i mean
they have their tier set 100%
when they press CD
it s like if u got 16 stack of sub tier set
when u press blade
it s jsut wa fetter
better
paper iron
mage one is the same
u have more bust
and everytime u press bust
u got mor damage
100%
hazy breach
Hello boys, as a Sub which Hero Talents are better? Trickster seems to be more f...
Currently trickster by a fair bit in all scenarios numerically
And gameplay wise its trickster by a large margin
paper iron
Assa one is cool as well i think, the "if u lose u have a chance to keep it and +50% dam for X seconds", kinda cool i think 
hazy breach
Deathstalker is a cool concept, but the ingame hero tree does not deliver on that fantasy, especially not for sub
paper iron
gameplay wise DS is fine as assa but nothing crazy also :d
paper iron
cant be worse than fatebound, u dont track it u dont play arround it u just let it exists
steady estuary
Rotten or Brew? What do you suggest?
vale pine
rotten
steady estuary
Thanks guys! I was having a hard time understanding what is the current state of Sub
hollow spear
TFD kinda has extra value because it makes it more likely to get you into your "post flag dance" without losing the tier set stacks
steel zinc
TFD kinda has extra value because it makes it more likely to get you into your "...
its like a 3rd dance
should be treated that way makes it way more simple to understand
hollow spear
Wdym
shadow lance
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
shadow lance
Can someone remind me the theorical use of dances between cd?
2-1-2-1-etc ?
I think I remember some alternatives but I'm not sure
hazy breach
2-1-2-1-etc ?
In a sim situation thats the move ye
regal valve
hey everyone im recently starting to play sub from assa and i would like to know if in aoe im supposed to spread my rupture or just send it on my target
hazy breach
If youre not in dance you should generally spread ruptures on targets that arent dying within like 10s
But dont delay your flag+blades for it
shrewd lantern
tbh i dont know why subs 4p doesnt give you stacks
it just prevents you from losing the streak during dance
regal valve
But dont delay your flag+blades for it
Alright so on pull in m+ I spread rupture like 2-3 times (or when tank stops) and then send?
hazy breach
Ye
regal valve
Perfect thank you!
shrewd lantern
and idk i feel enhance has an ok one
less stacks and you get compensated if you lose your streak
A bit curious if bdk proccing ibf breaks them out of stuns
lusty narwhal
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thick temple
ive been hearing a big diff in dung/boss rotation is that we use SoD before pull starts? Is there any explanation for this?
for ex. in m+ i assumine we spread ruptures before we select our flag target or pop dance/SoD so wouldnt we be wasted supercharger or rupture combo points
honest brook
guys one question on aoe opener when you reach one mob at pulling for example is it ok to shadow strike and then after it use Flagellation and rapture itthen leave it and find another big guy and start opening your cds on it?
honest brook
No need to put all you cd on the main target
tyty
iam new on sub iam thinking first big fist pull sacred flame should i rapture mobs when we are moving long way?
obsidian garnet
dumb question but i see this in logs a lot in the opener. should your first sectec be before your shadowblades?
shadow lance
iam new on sub iam thinking first big fist pull sacred flame should i rapture mo...
Yes, you can
obsidian garnet
the wowhead guide seems to indicate no but maybe im missing something
shadow lance
Rupture while tank gather the pull
honest brook
Rupture while tank gather the pull
only shurikan and back stap and rapture right?
shadow lance
dumb question but i see this in logs a lot in the opener. should your first sect...
Not a big diff, just the clones of sectec needs to be under shadow dance
obsidian garnet
Not a big diff, just the clones of sectec needs to be under shadow dance
awesome, thanks!
shadow lance
only shurikan and back stap and rapture right?
Yep, you smqsh cd at the moment mobs are packed
honest brook
Yep, you smqsh cd at the moment mobs are packed
thanks alot m8
one more thing iam assa main you think is worth to change to sub ? playing 13-14 keys
shadow lance
In a sim situation thats the move ye
Thanks for reminding me
shadow lance
one more thing iam assa main you think is worth to change to sub ? playing 13-14...
Play what you pref, I play both spec at same level
I think sub is a bit better overall
But it's my personal opinion
pure furnace
I think sub is a bit better overall
sub is not good when the key lvl increases imo since assa will do the same dps on all the pulls
honest brook
Play what you pref, I play both spec at same level
iam comfort with assa but i like sub playstyle thats why i have daubt
pure furnace
but with the high ST yeah it always caches others
thick temple
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thick temple
so eye of kezan not bis or non-equip trinket is just very dependant on your gear/statspread atm
just going off the new sims in pinned
swift tinsel
its good for longer fights or in m+ if you can keep uptime on it
left ledge
so eye of kezan not bis or non-equip trinket is just very dependant on your gear...
good on long fights (5+ mins) otherwise goon squad
most of our trinkets are pretty even on 5mins (apart from transmitter/hoc slot)
pure jay
!up
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strange chasm
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strange chasm
@hazy breach new dslice build?
ionic vector
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warm pond
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stiff stirrup
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW2_Raid.html when did sub ST become so low compared to others...
tepid trellis
Always was
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> new dslice build?
Ye idk about it though, feels weird to play
strange chasm
Not good?
hazy breach
Probably is but not used to missing the symbols charge
hazy breach
But its like, using it because we changed the BP vs Evis threshold in sims
To instead of being 7+ targets
Its now 5 FWs up
Which is like giga cringe when you dont have rotten, so you need to track FWs
Or well, the change hasnt been pushed yet but fuu is using it in the sheet
strange chasm
Is it much better than what we've been using
dry belfry
It's in m+ only content for first dance. I struggle a lot with this talent. Before a boss the loaded reset always 1sec before
hazy breach
Oh ye when you pull the boss it always resets
hazy breach
Is it much better than what we've been using
Not really, because the first dance isnt working with reset in the sims and this cant really take first dance
So its kinda fake
lucid jackal
1 depths perception is illegal
dry belfry
Oh ye when you pull the boss it always resets
And tips to have first dance up before boss? And my point was sometime in middle of a pack ( not happen every time) when I vanish and continue to be in combat and fighting my first dance is loading and after 6 sec I can have it
hazy breach
That seems to only happen on specific mobs (like the void guys in rookery for example, but there are some other)
But idk you dont need to have it up, sometimes its better to just go immediately anyway
dry belfry
Yes but some run I feel to play without this talent cause chain pack
tribal blade
hrm i dunno if i'd be willing to run that build
i imagine it feels way worse to pllay
hazy breach
Then you should just not track it instead
There is 0 times where weaponmaster is going to be better in keys
That talent is absolutely worthless on aoe and completely horrible in ST
warm depot
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iron crane
did blizzard change shadow dance or the subterfuge talent recently? I could've sworn in my last BG that I couldn't do shadowstrike even though I was in shadow dance.
molten citrus
did blizzard change shadow dance or the subterfuge talent recently? I could've s...
Nop
pastel pivot
sorry for asking a silly question, where can i find info on SoD rogue raid specs?
vale pine
best is to ask in one of the classic era discords
azure mauve
there is
vale pine
#classic-discussion has them pinned
azure mauve
comfy wizard has a guide for sod
cursive vapor
good morning :3
robust igloo
Can anyone send me macro for tricks of trade with nickname?
idk where to put my tank nickname
hazy breach
!tricks
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
Not what you were asking for, but what youre looking for
robust igloo
Not what you were asking for, but what youre looking for
<2+1 thank yoou
vale pine
Can anyone send me macro for tricks of trade with nickname?
#showtooltip
/cast [@name] Tricks of the Trade```would be with name
young trench
thats what i use for a few years now. just target your tank and press the first macro so it edits the usual @name macro. i never got the weakaura so idk whats better or faster but editing the macro by hand is a no go for me xdd
hazy breach
The WA is practically just removing that manual click to change the macro
vale pine
thats not good, /run does not work in combat
vale pine
you could use /target instead and it would work in combat
young trench
always have a mouseover somewhere keybound for fancy stuff
vale pine
sth like
/target tank
/cast tricks
/targetlasttarget
young trench
nah i also use the same macro for stuff like Pi when im playing priest
wild vine
tbf I just kicked tricks off my easily accessable bars anyways now with trickster
young trench
it edits my pi macro the same way
young trench
also this is only the setup macro
the tricks macro itself is just the usual macro
it just edits the name for me
hollow spear
Talking about PI
I just had a very nice parse invalidated because some drunken priests gave me PI
Stop giving sub PI 
young trench
sry to hear that brother 😦
wild hornet
[**__Smart tricks WA on tank__**](<https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP>), this require the...
so it only keeps it while youre holding down click on the tank?
iron whale
guys about the use of shadow dance/symbols of death (I'm a very casdual player and I mostly refer in general/overworld):
I have the "preserving" spirit, as in I always try to preserve shadow dance and symbols for when things really get tough... bu taht won't work as these are actually bread and butter in a sub rogue rotation, so I wanted to know how you guys manage the thing?
cause I see shadow dance and symbols as some kind of "cd" when in truth they are not, so I'm baited into not using them most of the time and that's how I mostly struggle with encounters... then again when I do use them, then I have those dead times where I feel powerless and it's really frustrating
any advice?
wild vine
I just had a very nice parse invalidated because some drunken priests gave me PI
I once had that on sin because someone gave me PI for the last 3s of the fight
and I already had PI from someone else
obtuse cobalt
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hollow spear
I once had that on sin because someone gave me PI for the last 3s of the fight
Smells like sabotage
grizzled bobcat
!logs
young trench
guys about the use of shadow dance/symbols of death (I'm a very casdual player a...
check out lorrgs.io and look at a full timeline of cds from someone doing it correct. the pieces will fall into place when you see the entire picture
remote shuttle
!sod
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
surreal wigeon
Anyone else struggling to get invites for keys as Sub? I apply almost exlusively to rio below mine and get 0 invites in mby 100 sign ups for 13s. I have 2 timed 13s and all 12s :/
upbeat escarp
its like that for every class in pugs apart from maybe healer-tank
people are too picky
surreal wigeon
I see. Thought maybe some of you had experience signing up in the same range as mage/boomie, DK etc
Seems like they fill up in every group tbh
upbeat escarp
its only logical "meta" clashes will get more invites
young trench
people alway copy what the top is doing
gotta play your own keys and try to network with other good players in your groups after you showed them that you are a good player
open coyote
is there an easier way to sim what crafted item that i should make, other than to just manually gear compare all the slots where i can equip a crafted piece?
young trench
or give in and become a meta slave so you can play your favorite class after you reached high io on the meta specc before
upbeat escarp
is there an easier way to sim what crafted item that i should make, other than t...
top gear
open coyote
and then i just add the name of the crafted gear?
open coyote
ty
hazy breach
You can then press the "+" on the crafted items youve added to change embellishments/stats if you want to do that
Theres no reason to use gear compare really, adding an item into top gear does the same thing except its less prone to error (and the sim runs faster)
dry peak
heyho guys, i got a question, when our burst is over in ST, how do we manage our sod and sd?
do i just send them until flag and our sb is at 30 sec cd?
hazy breach
Generally use them+sectech together when theyre ready up until ~30s before flag
dry peak
ty
but sometimes, i dont generate cp and it feels very slow between cooldowns, is this normal?
paper iron
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
paper iron
muted birch
gotta play your own keys and try to network with other good players in your grou...
In every game we have the same scenario, and around 40% doesnt even know what a skill/talent/Item do , or why that decision Has been made
Tho i mostly target this to people that pick "what's on top"
Not necessary on wow
muted birch
but sometimes, i dont generate cp and it feels very slow between cooldowns, is t...
Yes
And actually this can lead player on to stupid Path od no CDs on würst window
So as people here told me, just spam that backstab
What else you have to do
young trench
In every game we have the same scenario, and around 40% doesnt even know what a...
i totally agree but there is no solo q für m+ so you either acceot beeing in the tool for hours on end or play meta and atleast get to play the game.
muted birch
And my dear sir I agree with you
young trench
there will always be guys playing off meta and perform good and get invites. but these guys put in the work to be known as good players for years
young trench
And my dear sir I agree with you
❤️
muted birch
Beaides Dota 2 maybe, where meta doesnt even Play a role untill high rat
dry peak
<:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
thank you, i love commands 😄 but didnt knoe sub git this 😄
muted birch
Depends on the game
dry peak
What else you have to do
i could play boss mechanics
paper iron
definitly not in wow where devs on purpose unbalance classes seasons after seasons to force some classes to shine
that i would also agree
muted birch
definitly not in wow where devs on purpose unbalance classes seasons after seaso...
And from what my nephew said, also lol
Even on shooters on Battle royale style
Devs do it
dry peak
brewmaster meta when
muted birch
Tbh I do meet brews
ATM 6 on m+
1 was bad
Or learning, dont want to judge
The rest
Had balls od steel
dry peak
1 was bad
that was me i guess, i fucked up a pull yesterday, still cringing about it and what ppl think about brew 
paper iron
thing about brew is that u can trust mordrim and equinox, others are... idk
muted birch
that was me i guess, i fucked up a pull yesterday, still cringing about it and w...
Cinder?
dry peak
haha no, i played prio
dry peak
someone pulled third miniboss and i had to go all in, healer was mad at me
muted birch
And a funny fury war zD
muted birch
someone pulled third miniboss and i had to go all in, healer was mad at me
Ah
I know that obe
dry peak
tbh, prio is super bad for everyone except tank, super crowded, super easy to add not on purpose
so i dont rly blame
muted birch
Yup
dry peak
but they blame me, i should just clear everything and play 130%
muted birch
Priory and rookery are those dungs you just want to get high, and avoid
Till rest od season 🤣
Tho on priory i had hilarious situation
With tozxic dh
Basicly every extra pull etc was out fault
Where he basicly jumped without any real idea where to go
Starter blaming warrior
The moment he died, i thought its over
Shield and go XD
Priest kept him easier than the shdh
dry peak
pressure on tanks i guess
muted birch
Not a word
Till the end
Basicly guy showed him how bad he really is
But back to brews, they were all always super chill
I do imagine them alrdy in drunkeb fist state
At pc
dry peak
we chill because we got nothing to lose, worst dmg, worst utility, worst survivalbility
muted birch
Yet most of you survive shit you shouldnt on raid
dry peak
they would prefere a rogue tank over brew nowdays 
muted birch
XD
dry peak
brew after tankbuster
muted birch
Boss after seeing brew without a scratch drinki another Beer and taunting him to a brawl
Orcourse after tank SWAP
maiden oar
for some reason i have trouble matching my dummy sim dps // doing output comparable to to the best logs of similarly geared individuals and i am always more than 5% off, can someone watch a video of me hitting a dummy for like 5 minutes and tell me if im making any serious mistakes? i would have just logged a dummy session but it doesnt show up in wcl uploader and im unsure why
feel like im doing stuff at least 95% correct but my output is not matching up with that (its more like 90% output) so i would like to know if im making any errors im too stupid to recognize or if im some sort of dunning kruger guy
agile osprey
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.5% off means you're parsing 95s?
Or what are you comparing yourself to?
And ngl, not sure you'll find someone willing to watch 5min of you hitting a dummy
maiden oar
yeah was ideally if anything just hoping to confirm the flag windows arent bad, not asking for full 5min deep dive
im parsing 90s mostly and when i compare dummy details to dummy sim its like 6-7% off on a good amt of runs but sometimes its the same
im saying in my head i notice minor mistakes but i dont notice something thats 10% off
so i am asking if i am delusional or not
muted birch
yeah was ideally if anything just hoping to confirm the flag windows arent bad, ...
You should always calculate in your dps
exactly that margain
or between 2-5%
coz we're human
maiden oar
i was able to consistently do it on other specs but i am having trouble this time and i dont really know why
but yeah maybe some diff is ok
muted birch
im parsing 90s mostly and when i compare dummy details to dummy sim its like 6-7...
ah on dummy its actually quite often
we dont have many of the auras we do have in dungeons or raids
maiden oar
im using no raid buffs/consumables
maiden oar
and fixed time = 5m
maiden oar
well yeah but id like to be able to improve
muted birch
bot plays with Spell Q on 0
and 0 ping
I actually never did good on dummies
im basicly training my muscle memory
and before raid
just chill
oh and 1m thing
remember that team
has to be on par with you
I had many runs where boss died around 20s before my next window (he should be long dead a minute ago
hollow spear
If you play and timers are in your favour (fight ends close to your flag window being over) you'll parse well
If you play well and timers aren't in your favour, you'll parse decent still
maiden oar
i still get like high purple if that happens so i am thinking that i must be making some mistakes im unaware of
like its just always high 80 or 90 except for a pink on stix because i just hit the adds really good
so i am convinced theres something im doing thats bad and i cant solve it myself
hollow spear
You probably do, but that might also be you not cleaving well enough
Like using your burst when there's no adds
maiden oar
yeah
i guess i can just try and go kill sprocket heroic and do a log review thread or something
maiden oar
well dummies are patchwerk too
hollow spear
You won't parse 99 on gally just by playing your rotation well
You have to time your stuff somewhat
maiden oar
yeah id just like to get at least a 95 on sprocket as opposed to a 90 or something
bc i think my gears good enough and it coems down to rotational errors
not counting the pulls where people do something psychotic with drills for intermission anyway
hollow spear
I feel like tier set rng is also quite the factor
I got lucky and parsed really well
Besides also finishing the fight at 3:15ish
maiden oar
oh im finishing at like 5mins since im just pugging
is that a big difference or is it about similar since its right after a flag window
hollow spear
It will be worse than after 3min for sure
But there still two fights with a cutoff after their third flag window in the top 50
maiden oar
yeah
im sure its a skill issue but i also dont know what my biggest problems are since it also seems to happen on a dummy where there arent any mechanics/uptime considerations (unless the dummy sim is evil and im just supposed to be like 50k off alot of the time)
ill just keep playing i guess and post next clear in here for log review if i cant figure it out by then]
valid solar
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soft mist
should i be using flag a couple seconds before shadow blades?
to get to max mastery then benefit the most from blades?
hazy breach
Yes, but not like randomly a bit before. check out the opener in the guides for the exact sequence
soft mist
ok thank u
brave moth
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ancient whale
!wa
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proven plover
@vale pine any reason why the radio chart on the wowhead stat prio page has versa weighted considerably higher than mastery?
marsh aspen
Hey, im curious about the use of cold blood, are you meant to try fit in a cold blood between the cds right off cd or hold it for optimal damage, and if so, do you delay secret tech for 10 sec and combine it with dance symbols + cold blood?
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> any reason why the radio chart on the wowhead stat prio pa...
both vers and mastery are almost identical, but i could make a update with the bis gear later or tomorrow
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proven plover
its all good, I am just struggling atm with my circlet giving either mastery or versa, since both stats are almost identical for me atm
hazy breach
Hey, im curious about the use of cold blood, are you meant to try fit in a cold ...
you can use it inbetween but you need to use it exactly on cooldown, because any delay of CB means you need to delay flag (or miss out on cb during it)
vale pine
reference
proven plover
is the sim considering it the right way? like depending which stat was boosted by alchemical chaos, when ring was equipped etc? I feel like there could be so much variation
hazy breach
Yes
proven plover
my feelycrafting was telling me to always let it proc mastery, but I'm not sure since atm the bot tells me to have higher versa than mastery
marsh aspen
you can use it inbetween but you need to use it exactly on cooldown, because any...
but do you want to sit on the dance + secret tech + symbol charge and line it up with cold blood or just send cold blood raw?
hazy breach
You dont lose anything by sitting on it
marsh aspen
ok so its ideal to sit on the charge and wait for line up with cold blood?
vale pine
is the sim considering it the right way? like depending which stat was boosted b...
yes, sim does consider stat dr etc
marsh aspen
and just try get full cp before cold blood comes off cd? @hazy breach
or do you want to build up macabre stacks and send the cold blood w secret tech and symbols a bit later into dance?
hazy breach
No, first finisher as usual
marsh aspen
wdym so send dance symbols backstab evisc shadowstrike and line up so cold blood comes off for the secret tech?
@hazy breach
hollow spear
What's the rationale behind sending sectec first in between? Forcing unseen blades to get a coup inside the dance?
hoary coyote
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hazy breach
More unseen, more finisher damage
Sim just likes it more, eviscerates, unseen blade and strikes also do damage, its not only sectech
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> any reason why the radio chart on the wowhead stat prio pa...
alright, updated the graph
alpine wraith
is dungeon slice good/accurate?
slice is fine
proven plover
alright, updated the graph
Nice! Ty for your work
shadow lance
you can use it inbetween but you need to use it exactly on cooldown, because any...
Personally, I'm timing dance on cb cooldown out of flag/sb windows, I dunno if it's better that sending dance/sod on cd and sit on cb
obsidian garnet
If you’re 10s or less away from your next symbols/dance and have an 8 stack of winning streak, is it worth not pressing any finishers so you get it in your cooldown window?
shadow lance
I would say yes
hazy breach
For a regular dance no
For flag+blades around 10s is when youd stop
Ultimately the chance to lose your stacks is pretty low
muted birch
alright, updated the graph
Hmm Trickster needs more crit
daring marlin
i cant make this work, is it bugged?
chrome palm
It’s only after you attack something and get the redirection itself
Not the initial application of tricks of the trade, which still expires
daring marlin
ok thanks
ornate lake
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNogbf9aVd9pD6F8a6xV3f
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k2d7fcZ2V8JtgSWeUuRQCU
azerrok crystal same as pacemaker in second slot. True or simbait 
crystal had ~30% uptime in a 11 key
solar geode
is it normal to be doing less overall damage in M+ compared to other dps? or is that a bad sign
alpine wraith
that does not tell us much
solar charm
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muted birch
From 6 day od wearing the same underwear
To tricking over Pixel
You giot details?
I mean the dmg
solar geode
2.77m bm hunter
2.50m boomie
2.03m rogue
ok its actually quyite a big difference compared to looking at the bar graph
hazy breach
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNogbf9aVd9pD6F8a6xV3f
https://www.raidbo...
Ye its like that
60s doesnt line up with our cds
muted birch
And obviously crystal sucks if it procs outside cds
It can
Im kinda happy with galy ring
solar geode
2.77m bm hunter
2.50m boomie
2.03m rogue
bm hunter was 663, boomie was 662, I'm 659 ilvl
solar geode
floodgate 10
muted birch
Ahh obvious one
Depending on route
If you go straight to Boss then its just normal start
You apply 5-6rups
Before you go bonkers on aoe?
muted birch
Rup also benefits from burst window
solar geode
oh really?
mystic ether
Does Evasion work on Rik Reverb's Amplification?
hazy breach
Yes sir
mystic ether
Thank you 🙂
vocal crypt
!wa
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noble hollow
Hey! If I don't have Symbols or SD available when ST is coming off cd is it ever worth it to use it and pool the next symbol + sd until ST is off cd again ?
hoary lotus
Why does cloak work on like zero mechanics this raid
muted birch
on some fights it mitigates as always, but debuff stays
vale pine
also keep in mind that cloak has a initial stronger effect, so timing of cloak matters
maiden trench
If anyone got time to check: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qPG7xRVgDpJa3Hhv?fight=67&type=casts&source=535&view=timeline and tell me what's very wrong with my rotation bcs I'm working since S2 on sub and i'm still very low dps, I already checked the guide by fuu and I think my opener is quite fine but idk seems shit, anyway ty for the one looking at it
north schooner
Is it expected that dropping a few buffs in a dungeon slice (no shout, skyfury, rune) changes the balance of stats significantly? For reference: from full buffs and mast=~agi=~vers, it changes to mast>agi (~15% worse than mastery)>vers (~25% worse than mastery)
twilit phoenix
too much running around
Sub is honestly so good on that fight
You can move cds around for when it’s important
solar geode
interesting
wild hornet
am i crazy or can you just cookie once in a fight
hoary lotus
Not crazy
bleak night
too many cookies are bad for your health
still gulch
Hi All, i have a question that i cant find a website to get info on, is there a % on the amount of mastery we have? like can i overcap mastery? im ilvl 653 and mastery is 78%, Vers is 13%, Crit is 20%, i understand i dont want more crit than vers.
alpine wraith
% on stats do not matter
there is dr but combinations if you sim takes it into account
still gulch
awesome, ty for that info
lusty narwhal
is there a simcraft command to hold vanish and not use it? i want to check how much dps that would lose
weary crag
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
lusty narwhal
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wild hornet
on myth rik, my 2nd sectec always seems to be 3 seconds off during the first barrel stacks consistently, am i missing a gcd possibly?
bleak night
have you considered moving your cds by 3 seconds
proven delta
I'm just starting to play sub rogue. Is there an ideal poison to use or is it just atrophic poison?
tepid trellis
on myth rik, my 2nd sectec always seems to be 3 seconds off during the first bar...
if you start your burst at 14 sec it will be up when the barrels spawn
cedar willow
is Zee thug hotline BIS for m+ and raid?
wild hornet
if you start your burst at 14 sec it will be up when the barrels spawn
at x:14 you use flag sbaldes?
what cds do you use b4 that
or just fill in with bstabs for snd/rupture
cunning turret
hey guys, about to start prog on mythic stix, is there any rogue specific tricks/cd timings i should keep an eye on for this fight?
chrome palm
Not really, the add spawns pretty much line up with your CDs
Just make sure to cloak if the pylon goes on you
kind bluff
Do you hold your first sod and dance till 14? Or can you recover enough to send first dance on pull?
wild hornet
nvm
that 14s downtime made me have tank dmg
spread barrels that are getting almost oneshot
xd
tepid trellis
Do you hold your first sod and dance till 14? Or can you recover enough to send ...
yes you just afk get rupture up and snd
then you flag at 14
then go
your 2nd sectech comes when the barrels land
and ofc evasion the amp drop
so you can actually hit the boss
edgy zenith
wtf you can evasion the amplification cast?
alpine wraith
ya
hollow spear
If you get a soak at 1.40
It's joever
But that doesn't affect holding early anyway
edgy zenith
Nah, just step the guy who’s on it, then step back
hollow spear
You can precloak soaks?
alpine wraith
havent tried on M
edgy zenith
Wait, do you have enough time to use second flag if you hold 14s at start?
hollow spear
Yep
edgy zenith
Or do you use second flag after waves?
hollow spear
He immunes at 2.01
So you got exactly enough time for your entire shadow blade window
edgy zenith
Pretty tight yikes
hollow spear
Just mute your raid lead from 1.40 onward in case he asks you to switch to some add in Africa
wild hornet
you still get the same amount of cds in p1
do you have a WA for the current pull duration
hollow spear
Just any combat time wa
wild hornet
nvm i found one
lucid jackal
Yeah
young mural
incredibly slow
clever delta
other rogue get sick and im on bandit withnout any prep
any tips and tricsk
just as i took signet from vault 😄
lucid jackal
doing the beach mob farm
Just take a break come back tomorrow
Doing it in one sitting is mental
worldly tinsel
Is target swapping during mini cds or major cds a dps loss in any way? I'm coming from sin and I've gotta rewire my brain a bit
young mural
Just take a break come back tomorrow
yhea im getting near that limit
nearing the mental breakdown point
young mural
Is target swapping during mini cds or major cds a dps loss in any way? I'm comin...
if your other target is fazed, has find weakness and your flagellation is already at 30 stacks then theres 0 dps loss
worldly tinsel
tyty
tepid trellis
flag is not target specific
left ledge
any tips and tricsk
Play sub and hit adds
Don’t pop your second set of cds until after second add set so you can burst bombs down
Save vanish to make sure you don’t get fixate
That’s about it
wild hornet
today my rik damage is horrible
left ledge
You do nothing else on the fight
wild hornet
clever delta
oki
young mural
flag is not target specific
the damage part of it is isnt it?
clever delta
so i dont pop cds during second adds?
young mural
although its negligable damage
left ledge
No
clever delta
oki ty
worldly tinsel
today my rik damage is horrible
Rick is the reason I gotta learn sub lol.. My bomb damage as Sin is below the floor
left ledge
Small adds that fixate and can’t be cc
hazy breach
the damage part of it is isnt it?
You dont need to hit the mob with flag on with your eviscerates for the flag damage to go off no
left ledge
oki ty
Most importantly, SWAP to reel assistants
Do not cleave off boss
The entire fight is reel assistants
young mural
You dont need to hit the mob with flag on with your eviscerates for the flag dam...
so you can throw your flag at any mob and you only need to make sure they dont die before 30 stacks correct?
clever delta
okioki
hazy breach
yes
young mural
thats great, ty
hazy breach
The entire fight is reel assistants
Yep and now youll have a bunch of rogues playing assa because it has done more damage overall on the fight
Despite doing like 20% less damage to assistants than the sub parses
chrome palm
but muh sub allstar
left ledge
Yep and now youll have a bunch of rogues playing assa because it has done more d...
I haven’t even looked at logs but that’s grim 
alpine wraith
ehehe
tepid trellis
the damage part of it is isnt it?
it still hits the target you put it on even if you arent targeting it
left ledge
Dps whoring on prog is always degen
Sub just gets to save a dance and do at least 40 mil even with 0 cds
left ledge
Yeah they come after second set
Your group is gonna have to get good at killing assistants
clever delta
as soon as reels die ?
left ledge
It took us like 15 pulls to see them
It’s after the second set of reel assistants when you put in coins
worldly tinsel
Guild's starting Stix this week, I think Sin > Sub for Stix no? for prog at least
wild hornet
Rick is the reason I gotta learn sub lol.. My bomb damage as Sin is below the fl...
was doing good last time
we progged
left ledge
Idk what your group damage is looking like but I’ve had to instantly go to the ranged add to hit it
All depends on comp sadly
clever delta
thanks mate
proven plover
now for some reason im kinda sitting like that
U have to delay your CDs for add spawns
On pull use Flag when he casts first amplifier
U can use evasion to stay On Him at that time, it negates his dunk
That makes your beefed cb sectec align with first add spawns
After Flag window do 1 dance window, and hold the second dance window for next add spawns
clever delta
Yep good luck
so i dump all at boss and than 3rd dance at adds rtight?
there is no way i hold second dance in cds for adds?
hard inlet
not the best at sims and stuff but the if im simming the pvp trinket does it always use it with flag and blades?
proven plover
If you do that, you can send your 2nd flag On CD and the 2nd cb sectec will Hit the last adds b4 intermission
hazy breach
not the best at sims and stuff but the if im simming the pvp trinket does it alw...
Yes
wild hornet
If you do that, you can send your 2nd flag On CD and the 2nd cb sectec will Hit ...
i see
well i mostly tried to push flag onto boss and run to far adds
proven plover
Well yes you still use it for Boss, but the adds just melt away passively aswell
pastel rampart
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hollow spear
this darkfuse rep farm is so slow
What are you farming it for?
left ledge
so i dump all at boss and than 3rd dance at adds rtight?
Do your opener normally
You can save third dance for adds if necessary but again it depends on your comp
Sadly I can’t give a definitive answer for that
viscid rune
Hello ! 👋
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong or what I should be working on to improve my DPS? I feel like I'm doing the right thing: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x7vWDrh8NQcym1FB?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=16
left ledge
The only thing you absolutely should do is swap to adds and make sure you send to delete the fixate adds that spawn after second set of assistants
Whether you need to hold a dance for assistants or what assistant you will be hitting is up to how many spriests and boomies you have
And destro locks I guess those guys are pretty good at assistants too
pastel rampart
@vale pine is the most recent dslice sim supposed to be using tornado during the flag/blades dance window? looking at 3:11
clever delta
opki
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> is the most recent dslice sim supposed to be using tornado...
it is just not allowed to use it during dance,
rustic mortar
how many seconds is it worth to press nothing when u have like 8 stacks of set up and all cds are coming up
or not evi to loose the stacks on st i mean
pastel rampart
it is just not allowed to use it during dance,
this is what im looking at for reference
viscid rune
Hello ! 👋
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong or what I should be working ...
Up! 👋
edgy zenith
or not evi to loose the stacks on st i mean
On ST, never
If there are adds you can hold
Until adds spawn
vale pine
this is what im looking at for reference
oh thats because there are a lot of targets
rustic mortar
so the tset is just like completly ignore that it exists am i right about that ?
pastel rampart
oh thats because there are a lot of targets
noted noted
is the reason its worth losing the global in dance for this to get the backstab danse stack on the sectech at that high of a target count? vs pressing tornado before the dance -> sectech /bp?
vale pine
noted noted
is the reason its worth losing the global in dance for this to get t...
This is forcing no use in dance
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iGie4bBMwxtvuX2UyLyJep
left ledge
noted noted
is the reason its worth losing the global in dance for this to get t...
Just send nado before the dance esp if you’re running finality over rotten
Although better yet probably don’t even run nado
That talent is terrible
Its synergy with trickster is in the negatives
And eats your rotten, and doesn’t work with blades so if pull isn’t big enough it eats sht
pastel rampart
i am not on rogue much this tier i just like looking through the tc & sheets and asking questions
helps w understanding and sometimes catch stuff like the pvp trinket being good
vale osprey
We just killed Stix and I logged like omega garbo as I got ball twice near juicy flag windows
End me
lusty narwhal
hey is there a way to sim and force the apl to never use vanish?
left ledge
We just killed Stix and I logged like omega garbo as I got ball twice near juicy...
You can log on farm
Logging parsing on prog is completely useless
So dw about it :)
fallen depot
is focusing lense the way to go for embellish or the linen?
crystal bone
We just killed Stix and I logged like omega garbo as I got ball twice near juicy...
wish me luck, starting stix prog tonight
cloud rover
We just killed Stix and I logged like omega garbo as I got ball twice near juicy...
I have 3 log
Cant be worse
Progging Bandit is absolute disgusting, when you dont class Stack
vale osprey
I have 3 log
okay not a 3 but grey is grey is grey
stoic flower
I’m on stix next week, how’s Flagg windows like?
stoic flower
Yuck
normal gyro
hi The subtlety of the thief has collapsed in comparison to the others? A thief, right?
ancient kraken
Auto att stack combo points
normal gyro
yes in sub you have two bars a basic combo bar and one where you stack your points)
dry peak
okay not a 3 but grey is grey is grey
no worries, a guildy had a zero today on second boss
alpine fossil
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mighty delta
does the circe ring accurately sim?
also if we have a higher ilevel ring to circe, we prio that right?
rain swallow
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rain swallow
we play shuriken tornado now in m+?
empty oyster
progging bandit, can i cloak fixated add, or will it explode and dmg the raid?
undone olive
need some tips with builders for 7+ targets. Do i shadow strike in dance until i have no unseen blades? Im honestly not entirely sure what i should be doing with the 7+ target count.
hexed sluice
what should I replace first dance with for keys
If It'll never have a chance to proc due to forever chainpull
rain swallow
weaponmaster
hexed sluice
thanks
short radish
If It'll never have a chance to proc due to forever chainpull
as long as you are getting 1 proc every 10 minutes
its better than WM
pearl charm
Sorry this might be a really dumb question, but isnt Coup de grace consumed by eviscerate?
left ledge
Sorry this might be a really dumb question, but isnt Coup de grace consumed by e...
yes
pearl charm
oh so that right there is an eviscrate that shows up as a coup de grace?
hexed sluice
as long as you are getting 1 proc every 10 minutes
I was getting it first pull and then never again, cause it kept resetting counter on bosses, so yeah weapon master it is then
hoary coyote
thanks, makes sense then, was confused
np
short radish
I was getting it first pull and then never again, cause it kept resetting counte...
after bosses you can just chill behind the tank
and let it reset
i cant think of many dungeons this tier where you can't get a TFD after the boss
void mesa
When the delayed sectec hits go off, do they calculator your modifiers at the time of button press or when the actual delayed hits go off
swift tinsel
When the delayed sectec hits go off, do they calculator your modifiers at the ti...
when they hit
sectech doesn't snapshot
hoary lotus
How long is the delay
Sometimes 2nd press i get like 2 procs in a row so I'm not sure if I'm losing 2nd hit if I press at like 1 second hoc remaining
swift tinsel
sectech clones hit 1 and 1.3 seconds after the phys hit
molten citrus
we play shuriken tornado now in m+?
Iirc you can keep playing the build we’ve been playing
hoary lotus
sectech clones hit 1 and 1.3 seconds after the phys hit
So i need to hit st at 2 sec left
Or I lose dam
So if I get procs when I'm about to hit my 2nd st do I just not get dm stacks and send
tribal blade
So if I get procs when I'm about to hit my 2nd st do I just not get dm stacks an...
you might be overthinking a little
send as sectec comes up
hoary lotus
Overthinking what
cobalt vector
u use sectech on cd
hoary lotus
Yes
cobalt vector
So no thinking needed. Just if its up its ur next finisher just use symbols for supercharger if u dont alr have it.
hoary lotus
Sure, so the answer to my question is just skip the backstab for dm stacks
Since I have full cp
left ledge
Ignore dm stacks
cobalt vector
Ye tho should only really happen with tfd. Otherwise it likely won't be ur first global in ur second dance of the cd sequence
left ledge
Treat dance rotation as conditions
Dm isn’t part of that
Just focus on making sure you can fit sectecs where you need to
cobalt vector
Ye tracking DM hasn't been a thing since start of tww. I dont even have it on my WA anymore.
I couldn't tell u how many stacks I have ever
tribal blade
the only thing we do to min max DM stacks currently is using backstab during dance
other than that DM is just a byproduct of doing your rotation
cobalt vector
Ye but since its the first builder in dance u dont really track anything related to it and just send
misty condor
Can someone explain why my 658 Prized Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity is simming higher than my 665 Funhouse Lens?
short radish
Can someone explain why my 658 Prized Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity is simming h...
main stat 
crit/haste 
misty condor
Is it actually worth using in that case?
short radish
does the sims say it is?
misty condor
Yes, 1.5% dps gain to use badge over lens, it was just very confusing to see that
cobalt vector
sounds right to me
short radish
Yes, 1.5% dps gain to use badge over lens, it was just very confusing to see tha...
crit/haste sucks
thats not to say you should use an item 30 ilvl lower because it gives ver/mast instead
but just
listen to the sims
also because a lot of our damage comes from our burst
more burst damage
is better
misty condor
Yeah I simmed it with dslice and patchwerk/1 and both say it's better
marble ledge
Is anyone else feeling a little lackluster in keys, I'm feeling like I'm doing the best I can with orange parses in 12-13's but i can't really keep up with some other specs rn
swift tinsel
Nah I know I’m not there to farm overall, I’m there to decimate bosses and hit my burst windows
There’s some specs where you’re just gonna lose to if you’re equally geared and skilled
boreal finch
Is Jastor diamond simming low for other people? It’s pretty similar to my 558 top ring
thick temple
Is anyone else feeling a little lackluster in keys, I'm feeling like I'm doing t...
I cant keep up with mages and boomkins in keys overall but on bosses im blasting
also locks have been pumping in my keys
imo currently at least for 11-12s the bosses are at like 15% when my flag/dance comes back so Im still on the fence on whether to spend my flag cooldowns if the boss is almost dead. noticed sometimes I can get a second full flag opener off but sometimes I use like "half the flag" and I feel its better to keep it for next pack after boss
marble ledge
I mean like Cinderbrew for example I am out of juice most of the time and hunters just keep going brrr
thick temple
cinderbrew has like the largest mob pulls maybe excluding beginning of ML. I dont think we are supposed to keep up. We do melt tf out the second boss tho
on the honey side I can do a flag rotation maybe 2-3 times before I'pa and I try to time it with those big fat dudes that charge
marble ledge
For the amount of sweating I have to do it's pretty discouraging to stil have underwhelming damage sometimes idk
thick temple
I think thats a slow burning realization for rogue. Im not too aware of the history of rogue/specs since this is my first xpac, but it definitely does not feel the high skill floor/ceiling is rewarded in dmg output, especially aoe
i already felt that when I saw ret pallys in S1 pumping absurd numbers in raid and m+ by doing 1,2,3,4 repeat
lucid jackal
If you are expecting rogue to be a very easy high damage class then u should reroll
flint viper
don't think anyone expects that but the effort you need to put in for average damage is rough
hexed sluice
I see my damage in cinder brew being 200k or so lower than the frost mage, havoc, but then I swap it to bosses and I'm 1mill higher and all is good again
lucid jackal
don't think anyone expects that but the effort you need to put in for average da...
I don't think rogue does average damage in keys
Rogue does good damage in keys
Sub also is not that hard in its current state so idk
Effort to damage has never been a factor for wow balance so
U gotta like rogue for the vibe
If ur expecting effort to always relate to damage then ur gonna be perma disappointed
or u should just try assa
assa does crazy damage
spare quiver
warcraft logs down?
misty condor
I mean, I play rogue for the vibe but it's an honest criticism. It feels pretty bad to be a neglected class. They reworked old acrobatic strikes into something dumb because the old version was a "dps talent", meanwhile Paladin can use their whole kit from the next zip code
Invigorating Shadowdust was a huge mistake and should never have been comitted
This xpac feels much better, but hero talents are wholly uninspired and were extremely buggy
tribal blade
OH WOW NOT HAVING FW UP DURING LOCKEN IS AMAZING
lucid jackal
I mean, I play rogue for the vibe but it's an honest criticism. It feels pretty ...
Acro was removed because they didn't want some melee to have +3 yards and others didn't
Paladin is a hybrid melee, that has a lot of ranged spells
Ret still needs to be in melee for a lot of its damage
worn ivy
LAST COOK
worn ivy
Xd
AJAHJAHAHAAHA
THE idea was
silent storm
instead of rotten
to spread FW in aoe
what about now ? @lucid jackal
big cook
tepid trellis
cooked too long its now burned
young roost
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tribal blade
step the boss
i'll do it, i'll kill everyone
i'm trying out sin for a few pulls
see how it is
tribal blade
what about now ? <@96834520417828864>
i honestly think i'd rather shoot myself than play that
respectfully 😉
pastel rampart
what about now ? <@96834520417828864>
this is good cook since u no longer play short SoD u dont need 3 charge
the best cook even
short radish
step the boss
i accidently pressed step on the fight once
and luckily the boss was being tanked by the tank having opposite color to me
no one realised it
but i was sweating hard
worn ivy
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remote shuttle
you do nothing
Is it ok sending sod on pull? 14s late opener means u can recover sod charge just 11 secs after sending big cds (can max shadowcraft stacks and start cds at 14 charges)
vestal dove
Is it ok sending sod on pull? 14s late opener means u can recover sod charge ...
What are you gonna SoD - a shadowstrike and a rupture? Not worth imo - better slam in more eviscerates in shadow dance
round latch
wild hornet
Being the only rogue aint too bad, two daggers from rik
proven plover
We have 2 rogues and 0 daggers
scarlet gull
I new to sub and I am kinda confused about this "Coup de Grace if Fazed is up" so what you just use backstab until Fazed proc?
proven plover
You do everything as usual minus using evis, you would BP or rupture instead to hold the coup
vestal dove
Is it ok sending sod on pull? 14s late opener means u can recover sod charge ...
But you should SoD 30 sec before pull to ensure you have 2 charged combo points
proven plover
As long as fazed is not up
remote shuttle
What are you gonna SoD - a shadowstrike and a rupture? Not worth imo - better sl...
U gonna charge shadowcraft charges till max (14) to start your dance with 3x back to back
wild hornet
But you should SoD 30 sec before pull to ensure you have 2 charged combo points
I remember @alpine wraith mentioning something about 17s
On one if his vids
scarlet gull
You do everything as usual minus using evis, you would BP or rupture instead to ...
tnx for the info mate
remote shuttle
U will end first dance with 3 secs left to recover first sod used
alpine wraith
I remember <@131174440183529472> mentioning something about 17s
that is for 2 crits for rotten
vestal dove
Idk i swapped to unholy dk for pushing high keys - as rogue you list for 100 keys and get invited maybe once on 14+ level. on my dk I list for 100 keys and get invited to 15 of them
alpine wraith
but the dmg increase is super minimal
alpine wraith
the 2 superchargers you just SoD before the boss is pulled anytime
wild hornet
Whats the max pull timer where i send sod before pull
Like the bottom like of safely using sod and not using it at all
vestal dove
Whats the max pull timer where i send sod before pull
Just send it insta after release
wild hornet
that is for 2 crits for rotten
Also doesnt the 2nd rot refresh its timer after you land sstrike on pull
alpine wraith
Like the bottom like of safely using sod and not using it at all
20 is safe for not losing SoD
for those 2 rotten stacks
for superchargers just use a sod after reviving
17 is tight
azure thicket
hey what's the cookie cutter build for raid? single target or cleave
nocturne rose
@tepid trellis Do you do anything special CD wise on Bandit?
native zodiac
You send on cd on bandit
Do not hold for p2 bc you only get 1 cd usage anyways in p2
alpine wraith
you can move dances a bit in between cds to get reel assistants
but cds themselves kinda mesh well with the bombs
also you can vanish the fixate
just be fast so people dont get confused
also cant believe im benched on that boss
wild vine
just be fast so people dont get confused
you mean wait with vanishing until everyone is close to hit them
remote shuttle
We always do if we want but care, i think ad will fixate the closest player yo you
alpine wraith
yea the idea is that if you are fast people dont go and try to hit them and suddenly get fixated
autumn flame
Seems worth tho cause sub cranks on those adds
vale pine
also cant believe im benched on that boss
mighty citrus
what you consider the best approach for dealing with the adds. just cleave from boss or target one directly?
fringe palm
Swap if it's left/right otherwise stay boss if adds are dying on time
iron obsidian
yo i can just macro my potions to Blades, right?
spark dawn
is there a youtube guide to fuu's sub guide?
worn ivy
😂😂
tribal blade
so to be fair i'm half chinese
and there is in mandarin something that sounds very close to the N word
which basically means "that thing over there/here"
but i dunno, that's sus
ripe moon
is there a youtube guide to fuu's sub guide?
I liked the Shindigg one on YT
tribal blade
niger is a place
nah there's no way a chinese guy would name himself after niger haha
well who am i to say, maybe he could
real mountain
Is subrogue playable on M+ this season?
tribal blade
Is subrogue playable on M+ this season?
playable, yes
not like the start of last season
where sub was a troll spec to play
tribal blade
yeah there's like 3 sin logs on bandit
rest are sub
but that 1 sin log like 400k dps higher than all the sub logs
clever delta
Yeah it's sin time
clever delta
Does it
alpine wraith
but if you have plenty of dmg there it can be fine
tribal blade
yeah he's doing less reel assistant damage for sure
all the sub rogues are like middle of the pack there
the sin was like near bottom of the pack
tribal blade
Damn assa so good on bandit
i am prob going sin for mugzee though for sure
from the sounds of it sin just has everything you want on mugzee
spark dawn
I liked the Shindigg one on YT
imma watch that one and hacha's vid too. shindig was kinda complex for my pea brain
rewatch the shindig one rather
keen dome
clever delta
Which word
unreal solstice
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
Which word
thats the spirit
clever delta
Someone send help I'm like 3 ilvl below raid avg 😄
alpine wraith
pray to the vault gods
hazy breach
Damn assa so good on bandit
Well that assa log is doing like 20% less damage to the assistants than the top sub log, and like 1/6 of the damage to the cc immune adds
clever delta
And than they told me I'm in 5min before first pull
hazy breach
Assa might look good on logs, but its significantly worse at actually progressing the boss
clever delta
So i stated gearing towards mugzee