subtlety

[tepid trellis]

i did?

our best is 15% or smth like that

[leaden prairie]

okok

let me find a clip one sec

[steel horizon]

How annoying is it to use geargrinders?

[thick temple]

does anyone know if these week we get spark or cat charge?

[hazy breach]

Spark

[pulsar hemlock]

This should be a spark week

[thick temple]

if im on track that means i shouldve gotten 5 fractured sparks since start of season?

inlcuding this week

[molten citrus]

this week is 6th pretty sure

[thick temple]

oof is there a catchup mechanic for sparks

maybe i didnt get a pinnacle cache last week

[molten citrus]

there is

should just get it from w/e content you do i think

[leaden prairie]

nah nvm i think i got it now

this boss is so weird with cds

btw where can i sign so that 1min30 cds get reset

[fathom gazelle]

also no pvp trinket in the graph

[dreamy mesa]

Hi, I'm new to Rogue, so I don't mind learning a spec. I usually play high keys +15 and +16. What's the current meta spec for them?

[strong shoal]

spamming in all 3 4 channels isnt the way

[molten citrus]

[vale pine]

i can add it, unsure if i am allowed to because typically we don't add pvp items

[fathom gazelle]

ty for ur time and effort <#

[gritty knot]

Outlaw noggenfogger rogue

[hoary lotus]

No it isn't lol

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-spongebob-gif-17942032727212475337

[lilac imp]

this spec is hard, it feels like im not really doing anything wrong but im falling way behind in damage

or i just suck

[hazy breach]

Do the opener from the guide (exactly like they say) and then do it again 90s later

[exotic holly]

im in the same boat.

[lilac imp]

yes

[hazy breach]

Thats like 85% of the spec, making sure you can do that

[exotic holly]

i think i fall flat when it comes to AoE

ST i think im ok. its the AoE i just feel like i get blown away on

[supple verge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[karmic hull]

Do you play with a group or pug?

[exotic holly]

pug

[karmic hull]

Gotcha, aoe might feel like ass sometimes depending on ur comp esp if you can't get the second ST + CB off

like if u roll w fmage or some shit they're just gonna fuck the adds up

[exotic holly]

alot of it is me im sure. just trying to learn and get better. but i see other peoples just dumpster big add packs like the start of cinder and i only get up to like 6mil lol

[sonic hamlet]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[old kayak]

Playing 3 keys only sub others assa higher keys what spec should i open vault

[bleak night]

literally doesnt matter, sub and sin have the same loot pool

[rustic geyser]

There aint no difference between opening as sin or sub, if you open as OL you might get a mace though

[wicked urchin]

looks like its a gloves craft angle today

[steel horizon]

This mf's profile pic

[wicked urchin]

deja?

it's better than handsome squidward

or maybe its not

i can't decide

[solar charm]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel horizon]

Yep.

[vernal surge]

3rd craft this week. should i just craft neck since theres no mast vers neck this patch?

[hazy breach]

Whatever sims highest for your character

Neck/back/boots/gloves/bracers/ring

[exotic holly]

@vernal surge i just got the glowtorc from DFC and it was like a 60k dps gain for myself.

[visual holly]

what the situation right now in m+? after buffs are assasin and sub the same or one is better?

[dense lichen]

depends on the dungeon really. Assa kinda slaps in Cinderbrew because of the pack sizes

but I find sub more fun so I will continue to play that

[visual holly]

same and tbh i kinda want to cleave the main targets in a pack rather than go full black powder mode and yeah assa is less fun that any other rogue spec

[slate lantern]

Am i seriously about to be in second on use hell again

[hazy breach]

Well you dont need to manually use the badge

You can just have it macroed to blades

And have the book on your trinket bind

[slate lantern]

true, i just wish it was a better trinket lol

but myth track is myth track and i didnt have time to run more than 1

[hazy breach]

Maybe next season we get good trinkets

[rustic geyser]

hey man, my handsome squidward was my nioh 2 character - served me and the japanese empire well good

[brazen meadow]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[maiden gale]

NOT a sub rogue question, but anyone knows where can you get the speedbuff when you enter the Gallagio in the raid ? i sometimes see people with debuff that gives speed like we had in nerub ar palace

[blissful tartan]

Usually two dudes holding platters with a white circle here, run through circle to get speed buff

[maiden gale]

thank you very much !

[hazy breach]

Theres also potions laying around that turns you into a murloc-y thing that gives a lot of movespeed

[maiden gale]

that's the only one i figured out, then i saw a dude with debuff 2 minutes buff speed

[hazy breach]

Those circles speed fall of when you enter combat though

[brittle plinth]

Apparently doing the dungeon weekly gives a hero track item vs doing world quest one giving vet?

Is this a known thing that I missed?

[steep hemlock]

is sims up to date with the trinket buffs

like the mega magnet

[hazy breach]

Yes

[steep hemlock]

so heroic pacemaker is better then mega magnet for ST

[hazy breach]

Could be, are you simming latest

[steep hemlock]

i simmed earlier

[hazy breach]

Yes, but are you simming with the "latest" setting, or the "weekly" setting

Because im not sure the changes are in the weekly one

[steep hemlock]

oh i didnt change itt so could be wrong

[neon walrus]

Guys if you make a mistake and dont backstab the first gcd of dance, or you just start dance with 2 evis, is it not worth backstabbing later?

[hazy breach]

You would not backstab later if you dont have premeditation up no

Getting 1 cp instead of 3 is not good

[neon walrus]

Yeah my combo point management needs work

fr I need that fart sound weak aura for messing up burst window

[long marlin]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[remote rapids]

when will mythic boe's unlock to be bought and sold on AH? I can't get a dang pair of boots!

[hazy breach]

I snagged a pair of normal boots for like 40k, not gonna spend gildeds on them anyway so its practically the same as heroic ones

[edgy zenith]

bro on god where do you dance a second time using TFD

feels like it lands right on the sectech timer

do you sectech after or before

seems like I can send it before, but it's sketchy bc what if clones hit when dance is off

[hazy breach]

Before and press dance asap

[edgy zenith]

oh god, that's actually the timer?

that's so scary

i might just be a WM main

[valid flame]

Can anyone tell me why my evis/sec tech hit so much less on average?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/aKnj8x2YN9b3AhWL/TrBGzJaZFtyY2KdM?fight=3%2C80&type=damage-done&source=64%2CRogzuh

[pure jay]

anyone know if jastors is working yet?

[copper siren]

wowhead guide says to use Secret Technique during symbols outside shadow dance. I typically find they line up most times. is that for if they get out of sync or do people use ST outside SD even if theres only a few seconds left on SD?

[hazy breach]

Youre not doing your burst sequences correctly

[zinc tree]

mastery maybe a contributing factor

[valid flame]

Jastor's is big

[hazy breach]

Dont macro your house of cards to flag, macro it to blades

He is dancing twice per house of cards, youre barrely getting 1

[valid flame]

that makes so much sense

thought I replaced that since transmitter but I guess I didn't

ty for looking out

[final sable]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure jay]

dont say this!

people will lose their mind

[oblique skiff]

did they stealth nerf the noggenfogger trinket? Buddy is telling me they did

[hazy breach]

Yes

See outlaw pins

[oblique skiff]

ty

[shrewd shadow]

someone smarter than me tell me how im fucking up? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jdf3c2AxDbPRyaQH?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=17

[tranquil garden]

miniburst optimization (so symbols + dance outside of flagellation+blades). Is there an optimal sequencing here? Like, Secret Technique the first supercharged finisher, or the second? (first has less dance stacks but gives more flawless form stacks to the second finisher, and vice versa)

[hazy breach]

Your burst windows are not good. Every flag+blades should be like the opener listed in the guides

[hoary coyote]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd shadow]

so every 1.5 mins shadow flag evis van shadow rup SoD dance BS shadow sec strike evis back into strike back into evis? thats what im trying to do at least

[hazy breach]

2 sectech, 2 dances (back to back), 2 symbols (both supercharging secret technique) every flag

[hoary lotus]

got myth pacemaker in vault HMMM

how does sim work

with cyrce

like if I put on vers flask after I put on ring I have more mastery

if I do the opposite I have more vers

which one is it simming

lol

[hazy breach]

Whatever you have

[potent relic]

got hero track house of cards from the 4 mythic cache 😭

[hazy breach]

Like, if your sim has more vers its gonna swap it to vers

[hoary lotus]

how can I see

[hazy breach]

Why would it matter

[hoary lotus]

big difference in stats?

[worthy pulsar]

for 7+ target, if coup is up, we coup?

thanks sir eleem

[hazy breach]

https://i.imgur.com/4wLlavF.png

But idk it doesnt really matter

You just sim your items and it accounts for it

[solar thicket]

Is this trinket really good? I have it myth on vault, but I have house of cards champion on vault too

[hazy breach]

that second sim seems really sus, could you link it

But yes pacemaker is good, definitely better than a spyglass thats a lot lower ilvl

[lilac stag]

Put pacemaker in slot 13

It’s still screwing up in 14

[hazy breach]

Its not

[lilac stag]

Just did on my latest

[hazy breach]

Could you link

[lilac stag]

Raiding

Can send when we break

[solar thicket]

No upgrade: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Y4KZaopgggGJDCCsXtKxK
Max Upgrade: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o7rYzPjaFXUTunz6T5umPp

[hazy breach]

Ye its because youre simming weekly

Sim latest instead

[solar thicket]

I never understood what is it for

What should be the difference?

[hazy breach]

When it was updated

[solar thicket]

let me do it again

[small hemlock]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[gritty zenith]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[solar thicket]

yooooooooo

I needed that

[solar thicket]

well, its almost the same isnt it?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3RLqgBeG16Wzw7cPqfKY6r

[hazy breach]

Well youve put all of the trinkets as great vault options

So it can only select one of them

[solar thicket]

Ye but I mean

I wont do myth raid far enough to get house myth

the crit trinket is very good u say

it dont give much dps than the house of cards but

when I will get again that trinket in vault

[hazy breach]

Well house of cards is by far the best trinket

[solar thicket]

which one would u pick?

cards champion, or crt myth?

[hoary lotus]

I would go do lfr, normal, and heroic bandit

then choose

[solar thicket]

if I dont get it from the raid this week should I get it from the vault then

[hoary lotus]

if it was heroic maybe

I'd prob just get the pvp trinket

and take pacemaker

wait, am I really supposed to be getting 3 sectec's inside flag?

[hazy breach]

No

Thats pre .5 patch in s1

[hoary lotus]

o

is it possible with extreme luck?

[hazy breach]

Not really

[hoary lotus]

I feel like I've always been like 1 or 2 gcd's off

if I get really lucky

[hazy breach]

I mean maybe if you go into a pull with 14 sht stacks and/or extra superchargers prepped from trash before and get BL on pull in a key (the sht and supercharger stacks reset when you pull a raid boss)

But its not really feasible

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper iron]

i feel like ive been three sectec in one flag a lot in raid. Well i ve lust on pull and i always press sectec before a wipe so that helps

[hazy breach]

Does disorienting remain through deaths?

I thought it was cleared but maybe im wrong

[paper iron]

it does, i m 99% positiv

[strange chasm]

Is it better upgrade myth pieces versus crafting say a 3rd 675 item?

[hazy breach]

A sim question im afraid

[mighty linden]

Is using magnet plus House of cards pretty scuffed?

[hazy breach]

But like, to fit 3 sectechs (the actual clone hits) into flag you would need to use 13 finishers in 18.7 seconds (if my math is correct)

And thats assuming no overcap on the first one

[paper iron]

yea sometimes dont have the clones in the flag, it s super tight and need some lucky luck

could check over 40 pulls yersteday how much it occured

[hazy breach]

Like ye you could probably get the cast of in flag some of the time

But i dont think you really end up with the clones inside ever

[paper iron]

how much cdr it is already per cp?

[hazy breach]

1 per cp spent

[paper iron]

coup is +5 and supercharge +3 right?

imma open yersteday logs, i m kinda right now

[hazy breach]

Like i checked all of my sprocket logs and im never even close

[paper iron]

flag is 12+12

i m opening them one by one rn

[drifting fable]

@shrewd shadow its built into details

[hazy breach]

And then select all wipes > select sectech clones damage only > press this

[shrewd shadow]

how do you turn it on?

[hoary lotus]

should I play rotten or finality in raid, or only finality on pure st?

[wicked urchin]

when you don't hit the adds

[paper iron]

sim

[wicked urchin]

(damage to bosses)

[hoary lotus]

sim is EQUAL ;o

[brisk raptor]

any idea how assa is performing vs sub this week?

[paper iron]

then u do u

[paper iron]

how do i get clone damage only

[hazy breach]

Press the little arrow to the right of sectech

But like the closest i have is i casted the sectech with like 0.5s left of my flag

Which might seem close, but thats a lot of extra shts needed to proc it 2 seconds earlier

[paper iron]

and now i just look for flag in buffs and that s it right?

[drifting fable]

Options -> Broadcaster tools -> Action tracker

and select the one on the right

[hazy breach]

Ye. They should be hitting at like 25 for it to be inside

[twilit phoenix]

how do you make top gear sims show potential upgrades separately

instead of grouping them into combinations

[paper iron]

what in the hell happened this pull

i dont wanna know

[hazy breach]

Maybe some bozo stood in the wrong place so you got knocked

[paper iron]

nah somethings weird

i cant have failed to rpess flag so many times

imma open these pulls in another tab

[hazy breach]

Well the initial flag buff doesnt show up there

[paper iron]

but so yea apparently i didnt get clone hits in flag

i had feeling i sometimes get the 1st clone

[hazy breach]

The first 12s have a different ID than the last 12s and for some reason wcl doesnt show it in that view

[frigid dragon]

Does anyone have a thing to sim the different flasks to see what is best?

[paper iron]

yes camel

i m giving u that

#tc-research message @frigid dragon

[frigid dragon]

Thank you

[paper iron]

but that s so close yet so far to be a 3rd sectech in flag

probably one finisher off?

idk i cant do maths rn

[hazy breach]

Ye 1 finisher off

Which is 2 globals

[paper iron]

but i guess it s probably not worth to stack some sht before sending cds

[drifting fable]

@shrewd shadow /details options

[paper iron]

because that would do it

[fiery mantle]

i was practicing getting comfy with BS in opener but i realized this seems unnecessary? the reason were using BS here is for a danse mac stack but were still only gaining 3 stacks before ST and using shadowstrike is slightly more burst off the bat. if the point is for an extra stack during the whole shadow dance then why not use it after ST when we have shadowblades rolling cause im guessing were only using BS there cause of premeditation

[hazy breach]

I mean sure you can technically do it after sectech in the blades but it doesnt matter so why would you

Since it matters in other dances where you dont have blades

[paper iron]

shadow clones from sectech hits after 1 and 1.3s, so it will actually benefits from dm since you would strike after sectec most likely. And also buff the rest of the dance evis

[fiery mantle]

fair it does matter in toher dances

[paper iron]

it s not big of a deal tho, i dont remember how much it is

[hazy breach]

But eviscerates also does damage, its not only sectech

[fiery mantle]

i was jujst more wondering why the positioning of it there matters but like you said outside of SB you need it for the premed

[hazy breach]

Technically the strike benefits more from the blades after

Than the backstab would if you swapped them

[paper iron]

and the dance bs macro helps a lot making it smooht (at least to me to my keybinds) so it s not too much juggling

[fiery mantle]

yeah it would be the 4th stack

[hazy breach]

Either way macabre is not really something you track. It just naturally happens

[restive jacinth]

just finished heroic liberty with 1m DPS lowest on leaderboard clearly doing something wrong on rotation

[paper iron]

i wish strike always critted

shit hits like a truck

xD

[restive jacinth]

is trickster or deathstalker meta rn?

[paper iron]

tricky trick trickster

[fiery mantle]

yeah it just was more i didnt though about it outside the opener benifiting from premed

[paper iron]

meanwhile backstab just... well.. patpat the boss

[fiery mantle]

what channels are the macros in i ususally make my own but im just curious, i have BS macroed in my dance rn

[paper iron]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[paper iron]

^

gosh i hate this new discord ui it sucky sucks

[hazy breach]

Your opener and every flagellation should look roughly like this.

Strikes/eviscerates/coup can move around a bit based on procs, but all the other cast should be like that

[paper iron]

🤭

[hazy breach]

Yes

Transmitter way too annoying on sprocket

[paper iron]

soon you ll get yours

[hazy breach]

Ill just loot it in mythic when we kill it

[paper iron]

since i havent got a transmitter for the whole S1, my RL rewarded me with house HC week 1

which also means i wont see it in mythic for a while but i ll probably dinar it anyway 🤷‍♂️

and i m still used to sod after bs, i should work on that. Not big of a deal but i just realised i had this habit

[hazy breach]

iirc it was like no difference doing it after with rotten

[paper iron]

yea specially that i m not using rotten

[hazy breach]

But like, its more work for no reward so

[paper iron]

i was hating when i learned we would bs in dance but also press symbol after and i was yapping at myself that i wont relearn to do it

but i guess shadowlands built me into it

was like riding a bike after 10 years, never forgot how to do it, was just scared of doing it

[tribal blade]

@alpine wraith almost breaking 100% mast

[shrewd shadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nXQPyWdjFfN6p147?fight=44&type=damage-done&source=17 @hazy breach does that look better to how its supposed to be? ( know dummies arent the same as keys)

[paper iron]

that s a nono !

[fiery mantle]

why symbols after bs?

[shrewd shadow]

fat fingered it

[hazy breach]

Compare this to #subtlety message

[paper iron]

We have a macro here that prevents pressing it twice if you want

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[shrewd shadow]

how do you swap to that view?

[hazy breach]

Also i realized i forgot to backstab in my second dance in that screenshot above

[paper iron]

[midnight folio]

Btw is pressing dance for builders is now a mistake or just doesnt matter? Dance evis ss vs evis dance ss

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach after patch it was not working (aprox 8 hrs). Just reran it and now fine.

[paper iron]

that s a thing from the past, to not use a rotten stack on backstab blablabla, doesnt matter anymore dw about it

[paper iron]

it s fine to press dance at 0cp or 6+cp

[hazy breach]

Does not matter, as long as its 0 or 6+

[midnight folio]

Ty

[paper iron]

i found a funny data earlier while looking through simcraft eleem

slacking classes

[hazy breach]

[bleak night]

time to swap to feral

[hazy breach]

Assa actually passes us with their new VV build

[paper iron]

i thought more classes had downtime but i guess they just low apm always doing something

[fiery mantle]

true is it worth optinizing for it still?

[lilac stag]

VV build kinda pumping.

[shrewd shadow]

so is this wrong then?

[paper iron]

as i said, dw about it thing from the past

know it existed, know it s not a thing anymore

[hazy breach]

no?

[lilac stag]

Beat our WW on vexie

[fiery mantle]

sounds good thanks bro

[paper iron]

looks very accurate to me

[paper iron]

ww needs a buff, sub needs a nerf, gg

also devoker needs another buff i think it s not enough rn

[lilac stag]

Was VV

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

Banned

[paper iron]

how did u beat a ww

as assa

[tepid trellis]

Blocked

[paper iron]

show boss damage rn

[tepid trellis]

Erased

[lilac stag]

it’s pumping.

[paper iron]

gimme that log

😠

[tepid trellis]

Think it’s the case of the ww not pumping

[paper iron]

cuz i know u filthy assa thinking u beat everyone abusing caustic like no tomorrow

[lilac stag]

nah our ww is good

[worthy pulsar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

Cuz assa is still dogwater

[wicked solar]

Is there a video somewhere explaining how to not suck playing sub?

[paper iron]

imma check NA logs rn

[lilac stag]

Our adds are horribly stacked.

[paper iron]

i wanna see some assa numbers

[paper iron]

i mean, arent u playing the boss middle of the room so only casters got to target the adds?

[lilac stag]

Exactly like that

Living in oil spills

[bleak night]

its so fun

[tepid trellis]

[paper iron]

i mean it s fine

i like the strat

it s less damage but it s smooth

[tepid trellis]

I don’t

[paper iron]

u afk under the boss like every bosses in the raid

[tepid trellis]

We go wall and I’m still afk under boss

[lilac stag]

I just tunneled the boss. If shit was in range of splatter, great.

[paper iron]

SV is op

wtf

yea better nerf sub tier sets, it s too strong

[fiery mantle]

are supercharger just permeate untill used now i just realized

[paper iron]

they are

[tepid trellis]

Always was

[hazy breach]

Yes theyre indefinite

[fiery mantle]

thats hilarious and seems unintended

[paper iron]

but once you pull a boss / start key, u go down to 2 stacks

[hazy breach]

But it resets down to 2 when you start a key or pull a raid boss

[paper iron]

cant gather 50 cp before a pull

[hazy breach]

You also cant have more than 7

[paper iron]

or else, we would do some 10mn prepull

oh really

[fiery mantle]

okay so its at least not giga broken

[restive jacinth]

is there an ad onn that shows when fazed is up

[hazy breach]

Ye its still tied to combo points

[tepid trellis]

It is in fact not broken at all

[hazy breach]

And we only have 7 of them so it cant supercharge more than that

[paper iron]

default ui does it by default, it s in the debuff section. Then u can use weakauras

[hazy breach]

Not that it matters, even doing the pre-fight symbols is kinda whatever

[paper iron]

"only have 7 of them"

me being a rogue since 2004 hearing that

[lilac stag]

yeah I was top boss and top overall

[tepid trellis]

Simple debuff wa will do the trick

[paper iron]

i mean

how

[lilac stag]

only had 2 dmg phases

[wicked urchin]

holy fuck i suck at doing damage on cauldron

that fight is cringe

[fiery mantle]

technically 8 cause used refresh to 7 again on your opener if you could

[paper iron]

why am i checking logs before going to sleep

[tepid trellis]

Something we in the business calls a hand differential

[paper iron]

this gonna give me nightmares

[lilac stag]

check in the morning

[paper iron]

good riddance

it s fine, i ll have good dreams now

there are more rets than all 3 rogue specs combined in one day, everything in order

good

[lilac stag]

[paper iron]

that s 2 week range

bm kinda pumping the parse number meter

[hazy breach]

Ok im my memory the presymbols thing was closer to 0.4%

[paper iron]

i m impressed there are so many mages also, like fire is not really liked usually (it s only first boss so i bet there are lot of "friendly guilds" that run 3 rets on it and just 1 mage for the buff, that s why it s impressiv to me)

0.7 + 0.7 = 1.5, got it !

[fiery mantle]

whats the disorienting strike on pull?

[paper iron]

the hero talent

when u press sectech u keep the hidden buff foreva

[fiery mantle]

of the 10% reduced cd?

[paper iron]

the next 2 escalating blades dont have CD

[pastel rampart]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[fiery mantle]

ahhhh okay i figured it was that but yeah

[paper iron]

unseen blade no cd

[fiery mantle]

yeah i justs didnt think that would also stay forever

how would you set that up just not use a builder after the last trash pack?

[paper iron]

nah mostly before key

press sectech on a dummy and enjoy first pull

[fiery mantle]

ahh true

good tech still

[jaunty heath]

Do the 0.7% pre-symbols include rotten or is it just the supercharged cup’s

Cp‘s*

Mainly asking because I just sod after rezing

[fiery mantle]

pretty sure supercharger only

[grand lion]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[restive jacinth]

so apparently we gotta use flag before rupture coming out of stealth but we also need to use flag with shadow blades in shadow dance shouldn't i just macro them together?

[fiery mantle]

combo point are what matter you want as much value out od SB as you can so you dont want to cast it till you need cp

[lucid jackal]

You dont do it all together

Everything is sequenced the way it is for a reason

[rustic pond]

A /castsequence macro works well for me for them, so you only press 1 button for 2 spell

[warm marlin]

number start with 9

[slate fable]

If I've already got house of cards is it worth running suspicious energy drink as well or should i just run another direct damage trink? Im pretty much at the mastery cap already

sims say to run energy drink but idk if its bait or not

[tribal blade]

well i guess sub is now super mid

this is going great

[worn ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1313801733335678976/1354304436444467250/image.png?ex=67e4cdcb&is=67e37c4b&hm=16caa66527a7b6fe097f70bf958b959ece6ddfb1e773a09929ceb8f09fa4ce48&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1880&height=1183 how big is jastor? 😄

[lucid jackal]

bro lash how long have u played wow for

[worn ivy]

sim yo self

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652

[worn ivy]

15years or someth

[fiery mantle]

probably big enough that youll never see it again

[alpine wraith]

yoo

[alpine wraith]

it si very good

[worn ivy]

get the cards in

[alpine wraith]

because apart from personal dps is raid dps

[fiery mantle]

box items like this just mean your not gonna get a good upgrade for 4+ weeks now

luck well run dry

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[young mural]

normal amount?

regular amount?????

average mastery

[tribal blade]

i would get more vers

[worn ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vg6WuGrGU3gLBdWgRwY3sq not that big.. any idea when we gonna swap signet?

[alpine wraith]

big mastery enjoyer

[young mural]

for sure lol

insane

this was with my energy drink proc + sham buff up so it at a bit less when natty

[pastel rampart]

just got a hero house of cards!

on my ilvl 603 bear....................

rogue gets haste wrists ofc :^)

[tribal blade]

makes sense yeah, haha

i got this in vault

chest slot done for the tier

[drifting fable]

@lucid jackal

still no cards?

[lucid jackal]

Hello

Yeah ofc not

[drifting fable]

cheers

same

love transmitter!

[lucid jackal]

I LOVE MITTER

[drifting fable]

:YouActualDumbPieceOfShitFuckYou:

Jump 3 times

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[drifting fable]

I genuinely cant take it anymore

[pastel rampart]

use badge

[drifting fable]

[young mural]

gz!

also got myth chest

waiting for next week's cata to use it though

[wicked urchin]

Guess what I got in my vault?

[young mural]

MYTH TREANSMITER

[pastel rampart]

2 haste heavy items, a myth track overlapped with ur embel craft slot aaaaaaaaaaaaaaandddddd a D tier trinket

[wicked urchin]

[young mural]

[fickle mason]

Is there any value play or reasoning to play assassin in Stix Bunkunker VS Sub? played sin for tonight(for heroic and other bosses)and it felt good. Or does sub just better for stix

[wicked urchin]

only 1 mythic item so far out of 3 vaults

im cooked

[young mural]

I'm feeling lucky after this message, got 2/3

[wicked urchin]

being able to fill slots with crafted items makes it sting less at least

[young mural]

oh hey what a pleasant surprise, went to dummy in dornogal and had my first ever encounter with coup de grace bug

just stuck at 4 stacks of escalating blade, no coup when evisc

[lucid jackal]

Don't think it moves the needle at all

Boss dies when u do the mini game

No spec does the mini game Better yk

[fickle mason]

Sub does it better?

To clarify*

[lucid jackal]

"no spec does the mini game Better"

Just play what Ur comfy with

What spec u play as rogue on stix doesn't matter

[fickle mason]

sounds good

i misunderstood

[tribal blade]

the biggest dps issue for comps on stix is people who are able to blow up bombshells

ie boomys

everyone else is just along for the ride

[tidal marsh]

Good bye Transmitter

[wicked urchin]

Can you delete that photo for me?

[jaunty heath]

Probably not, can you jump three times?

[wicked urchin]

No I can't

[patent surge]

Collect or stand in circle

[wicked urchin]

I'm a pvp trinket enjoyer now though

But my hatred still stands

[young mural]

Could you please per chance stand in circle?

[wicked urchin]

I came to like the orb more than the other minigames

I looooooove when I stand in the circle and the tank moves the boss 3 feet and im now out of melee range

[jaunty heath]

Also, could you please cloak for me because the mysterious creature we are currently slaying spawned a random circle on me 🙂

[young mural]

100% but also the orb just clips into walls and says fuck it im out

[chrome palm]

they removed me and my guild from the group lmao

[young mural]

worst trinket experience i've ever had

[jaunty heath]

Orb was goat

Quick and easy

[young mural]

gz

nice work

[chrome palm]

no more mitta whenever i get it in the mail 🥰

[young mural]

pov: baldenergy rolls a 99 on it

[chrome palm]

he claims to have passed on it 😶

[lapis plinth]

is assassination alot better than sub now in M+?

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[old venture]

dave is forever, dave is life

[young mural]

R.I.P. davey

[swift tinsel]

Dave...Dave never changes

[lapis plinth]

I'm only asking because if sin is better, I need to pivot now rather in 2 weeks when I have to recraft everything

[old venture]

p sure they're about even now

ish

[young mural]

yhea, they have different strengths though

[old venture]

yeah sub has dave

what does assassination have?

[young mural]

sin is insane in sustained AOE

[old venture]

boomers who still want to play wow

that's what it has

but ye you're 100% right

[young mural]

they have the poisons dude

[old venture]

sub's burst is fun

[swift tinsel]

I just play with aoe pad specs like ret

[little epoch]

myth track set piece >>> trinket?

[swift tinsel]

so my boss damage looks insane by comparison

[alpine wraith]

depends on which trink

[young mural]

true, seeing 15m in big burst big pack is happy moment

[old venture]

sub being the king of burst again makes me happy

long live dave

[alpine wraith]

yea dont look at uhdk 32m

just close your eyes

[tepid trellis]

King?

[alpine wraith]

we have boos dmg!

[old venture]

yes

no other class is real

[young mural]

Hey guys, BTW: The Theatre Troupe is performing soon. Visit the Proscenium outside Dornogal!

[old venture]

except for rogue

checkmate stealthi

[young mural]

The Theatre Troupe is performing soon. Visit the Proscenium outside Dornogal!

[alpine wraith]

THEATREEEE

[young mural]

lol

[tepid trellis]

I play checkers

Check that

[old venture]

plus none of the DK class discord mods are as hot as you

CHECKMATE AGAIN

[tepid trellis]

Fair

[young mural]

fuck it im recraftin

fuck this sub stuff

[old venture]

damn

[tepid trellis]

o7

[old venture]

dave still loves you

[young mural]

jk i'd never

sub is life

[old venture]

dave's love knows no bounds

dave suffered through wod and bfa

wod (when no one played wow) and bfa (when no one could play sub)

[pastel rampart]

dave wishes to not press backstab in dance

[young mural]

i played wod D:

[pastel rampart]

dave had his wish for 1 (one) patch

[alpine wraith]

wod was super silly everyone logged in

then where like oh nvm

then everyone logged off

[tepid trellis]

Tbh I don’t do stab in dance

[old venture]

the super silly part was all of the abandoned content that could've been great

but just wasn't

because it never came

[young mural]

yhea im fucking cooked

[alpine wraith]

the best part is all the mushrooms the people at blizz consumed to do alternate world shittery

[young mural]

im trying to min max everything, stabbing in dance, holding CB for 2nd sec tech, etc etc

and cant do a fucking log like you stealthi

lets fucking goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[old venture]

yeah but it gave us power leveling via treasure hunting

and the garrison which could've been cool if it wasn't abandoned

[tepid trellis]

I just press buttons

[pastel rampart]

backstab in dance on st is burnt into brain from aberrus but i cannot undo the muscle memory from AOE to fit in stab so i just dont do it at all there :^)

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEEESH

[old venture]

https://tenor.com/view/agressive-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-kitty-kitty-hissing-gif-23062352

[tepid trellis]

If I’m gonna start doing stabs in dance I need to look out for FW uptime

And I kinda don’t

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-26264120

[young mural]

g fucking g

[pseudo terrace]

How much of damage buff is find weakness? I know it’s 30% armor but what’s that actually convert to

[pastel rampart]

ok boomer

[tepid trellis]

Around 12% more physical dmg + enables shadowed finishers

[young mural]

waht

how does it interact with shadowed finishers?

[pseudo terrace]

Thank you!

[old venture]

need FW to proc it for evisc/bp

[short radish]

it enables them

[pastel rampart]

shadowed finishers says "ur finishers on targets with find weakness"

[young mural]

nvm lmao

[tepid trellis]

Remove FW

[pastel rampart]

Revert FW

[tepid trellis]

Dogshit mechanic

[short radish]

make it acutally 100% uptime

same wiht fazed

[pastel rampart]

take me back to the days of 80% armor pen fw

[young mural]

remove fazed, FW, +250% energy regen

[tepid trellis]

Nah I really enjoyed my 75% uptime on Locken

[young mural]

combine flag with shadowblades

[tepid trellis]

It was peak

Absolute horseshit

[pastel rampart]

remember when ambush was more dmg than 5cp evis

:^)

[tribal blade]

make FW only applicable in dance

[young mural]

anyone else on the dagger, neck and boots craft?

[old venture]

remember when they couldn't figure out how to fix sub so they gave it black powder and said "lol fixed"

[tribal blade]

i just crafted neck

for a lot of dps

[young mural]

yhea

i crafted boots today, had crafted neck last week

[pastel rampart]

fortunately for me i dont even have BP on my bars

[young mural]

???????

[old venture]

actual gamer (and catirl)

[young mural]

you must not do M+

[old venture]

she's a cat, she doesn't have opposable thumbs

[alpine wraith]

im going to craft wrists

[short radish]

i know bis lists are memes but im a bit surprised that a crafted neck isn't better than the crit/vers neck

(i crafted neck week 3)

[swift tinsel]

Bout to get bracers with lens

[pastel rampart]

im boots/wrist and about to craft a cloak so i dont keep getting "trashmaster" title when i log in >:(

[young mural]

lmaoo

trashmaster

[old venture]

imagine not doing the secret in BFA for perma trashmaster title

[pastel rampart]

even if u do it in bfa u still get

auto changed to it

whenever u equip cloak

its sooo annoying

[old venture]

but I am smelly rn

[young mural]

ez get trashmaster'd

garbage sensei

[swift tinsel]

our RL made us all download the Liquid raid weakaura pack and I stg I go from 90+fps to 20 on bosses now

deleting that shit asap

[young mural]

lol

RLs demanding weakauras/elvui is the craziest shit

[pastel rampart]

whenever rl asks something like that i just set it to load;never

and that way it is downloaded

but i dont have to deal w it :^)

[topaz cipher]

Laughs in brood

[swift tinsel]

I just use the Bigwigs timeline aura normally and its perfect

[young mural]

can you hook me up

with that

I DONT HAV TIME LEN

[boreal finch]

If I craft dagger, can I get free upgrade to 675 for offhand?

Does that recraft log off thing work still?

[young mural]

No

[swift tinsel]

https://wago.io/CucqUEyfY/10

[young mural]

patched

[young mural]

legend

ty davey

[lucid jackal]

Im the real deal

[tepid trellis]

can tell i wasent mad at all here

[young mural]

rogue rework when????

we've been deserving one for a while

[tepid trellis]

we got one like a year ago

dont hold your breath

[young mural]

DF was cool

but kept most annyoing things

I want to be reworked like ret paladin

remove all skills, give me infinite range and damage please

[lucid jackal]

I'll keep sayin it, rogue doesn't need a rework

It needs some light tweaks

[tepid trellis]

and a balance team

[jolly pasture]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young mural]

18+ cinderbrew runs, cant seem to drop the trashy wrists

crazy

still using S1 636 crafted ones

[tribal blade]

signet?

[delicate slate]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sonic rain]

hey yall why do we swap our aoe rotation at 7? nimble flurry reading "also strike up to 7 additional nearby targets" makes me think that the flawless form shadowstrike/evis stuff would be the way to go until at least 9 mobs are present

[tepid trellis]

you always wanna be shadowstriking inside of dance, just does too much dmg not to, and you wanna start pressing BP over Evis at 7+

[sonic rain]

yeah how come it's 7 is what i'm wondering

it seems like we have full cleave up until 9

[tepid trellis]

just the point where raw BP dmg overtakes Evis nimble cleave

[sonic rain]

oh interesting, i just incorrectly assumed the evis cleave always outdamaged bp

gotcha thanks

[tepid trellis]

BP does around 80% of an Evis

and nimble cleave is 60% cleave

that is physical dmg which is reduced by armor

[swift tinsel]

make it all shadow damage and reduce bp damage by 15%

[wispy jasper]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense mountain]

yo stealthi did you like holding your 3rd flag till the 3:45 adds on rik or would you just send on CD during reclear?

[sonic rain]

good to know, do we still open with backstab in aoe sdance for macabre? i see that recommended for ST but not multi in your guide

[austere spindle]

Hmmm

[sonic rain]

and i'm wondering if i have to ever consider a theoretical mob count where we use shuriken storm in shadow dance instead of shadow strike

[young mural]

good velt

[wary jungle]

hmmm

[clear aspen]

hmm

might send HoC even tho its bad long term

[spark tusk]

I would take HoC 100% there no hesitation

Especially if you are in transmitter prison rn

[alpine wraith]

biggus masterius

[night cloak]

Anyone in here have any experience with Eye of Kezan? Is it really good for sub?

[lucid jackal]

good on long fights

[steel zinc]

The longer the fight the better. It's very good for progression and later in farm loses value.

[oblique isle]

hey is Funhouse lens good for raiding or m+(649-665 one)

[alpine wraith]

nope it is ass

try to get the pvp trink if you really have no good on use

[oblique isle]

okey I'l try to do pvp for it

cause literally i dont have any trinket xd

[foggy iris]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid remnant]

Is it worth crafting 675 OH or focus on getting other pieces up in ilvl?

[serene tapir]

Nah i wouldnt craft oh, prio on other pieces

But ofc depends on your gear

[wicked urchin]

no need to actually pvp, just join a crate farming group and and you'll get enough conq in like an hour

[wicked urchin]

OH is our lowest prio spot

[torpid remnant]

cheers

[wicked urchin]

i went weapon > neck > gloves but there aren't a ton of bad choices

[sonic hamlet]

mm i've already got legs on myth so its between chest an trink - right now using champ HOC and seaforium. trinket sims higher by like 3k on dungeon slice then chest

never mind i don't even have a cata charge so its gotta be trink

[wicked urchin]

i wouldn't ever take trink here

chest is forever piece

[sonic hamlet]

i've got no charge to catalyze it

[wicked urchin]

you do in a week from now

i went the entirety of last season without seeing a single mythic chest

[dry plank]

First time in last years I craft weapon and got vault + mythic daggers on 2nd week

Usually you craft weapon and play it entire season

[wicked urchin]

i was busy with IRL stuff on second week and was saving my craft

only was able to do one 10

second M+ slot was heroic weapon

lmao

but yeah aint no way i'm taking a trinket that's only simming 3k higher in dungeon slice

with the caveat being i have to wait a week

that trinket was in my vault and i took a socket

[sonic hamlet]

True id probably be better getting HC trinket upgraded

[wicked urchin]

you're also investing tons of crests

which can be put toward 3rd craft or whatever other mythic pieces you have

idk unless you're really seriously pushing content i'll always say long term > short term

[midnight folio]

does finality become worse at any potential cleave like shadow focus vs improved storm? SS isnt much dmg in current profile but still i assume for any burst style cleave rotten is still better?

[fallow nimbus]

You storm once with 7+ targets to get fw up. Under that target count you play st rota and rotten is just strike crit/dmg

Tell your tank to use def cds and pull more than 3 mobs

[glass jasper]

Guessing sussy drink is a nobrainer

Lets see if sim agrees

[crystal rain]

how big is the aoe radius for sectec

[short aurora]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qhstBhYWGPaRd1RkoMWrVY

is noggenfogger real?

[glass jasper]

im wondering the same thing

[spark plover]

O_O

[steel zinc]

No not in simc

[spark plover]

ring gally hc and card trinket hc omg

[cloud rover]

Noggenfogger was fixed

btw

im not sure if its already in the simc

[glass jasper]

Fixed as in our sims are lying and we should not take it? Or fixed as in it is really this good?

[lucid jackal]

its bad now

[glass jasper]

Ok so taking sussydrink then

[steel zinc]

Sim latest not weekly

[glass jasper]

Thanks

More in line with expectations

😄

[alpine wraith]

i got shit for the weekly chest thingy from hc

the useless neck

xd

[cloud rover]

Oh no

I hope

[sly shore]

I probably go pacemaker here

[cloud rover]

there is a HoC in my Vualt

[cloud rover]

Ye its pretty good, was almost BiS before trinket changes

iirc

[alpine wraith]

still kinda good https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cXK42rFwZz7M2aJoRBLW1R even at 665

im going to use drink for a bit tho dont have gilded to upgrade trinks to her

[warm marlin]

would have to be specifically 7+ target cleave

[spark plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pzyDdeFwvYCYht1gfs8pfH
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfXysxnQxgrrw138JSXdx6

gallyring is bis because it buff ally, or just hc ilvl is not a go ?

[glass jasper]

The weekly dungeon quest for mythic dungeon, does M+ count toward that or do i need to do regular mythics?

[warm marlin]

and where you would not want to be pressing eviscerate regardless of the amount of targets

[wild vine]

Ye still pretty good so

[alpine wraith]

you always take jastor

[serene tapir]

M+ works

[spark plover]

even when you see the result on my simcraft ? because i can take house of card upgrade nm to hm

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9R69HjbkkuByneXhWeKhug - 3
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Ga12QLuvfLWPXiDF7AuyX - 4
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xoLJwNTK7YjTFWhjUG2Hsn - 5
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oEce9YYmC8SfS8AnGC4Tfd - 6
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sEhWGE1zjpBrdaa3AKTg1b - 8

to show the variance in dps increase

for fight duration

[molten citrus]

pretty sure it counts ye lol

[short radish]

it gets really really strong the longer the fight gets

[midnight folio]

ty

[alpine wraith]

yea m+ count

[short radish]

but you need roughly 5 minute for it to be better than the other trinkets

[wild vine]

Id personally rather have hoc

[glass jasper]

No more trinkethunting for this here guy for a while atleast

[alpine wraith]

damn didnt expect finality to be so good for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZRNqEV67gdEQjQp19fRRq

1.2% hole

will see if getting more mastery on gear makes it a bit better too

[lilac stag]

What sets it to mastery when crafting?

[alpine wraith]

the cog

they are quite cheap

because everyone makes them at least once for the skill point but they dont really sell a lot

what i find quite useful too is the pot

it heals for like 6m

vs the normal one that heals like 4m

[spark plover]

@alpine wraith sorry for ping but i rly want your point of view on this one

[glass jasper]

In higher keys, lets say 11 and higher, do you always sit 6 sec stealth between all pulls for TFD when tank gathers mobs?

[alpine wraith]

i would take jastor yea

house of cards is not that bad tho

[alpine wraith]

depends a lot of the dungeon

but sometimes you can vanish when pull is about to end

to get tfd going

[oak holly]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[alpine wraith]

like in ML when the drills are about to die and only the driller shitter is spawning

or mobs that only auto etc

[glass jasper]

Alright! Will implement that

[alpine wraith]

a very annoing thing tho to keep in mind is

that if you enter combat sometimes the timer resets randomly

of tfd

it is not as dry as just stay out of getting hit for 6 secs

[magic ravine]

Is the sigil nerf not through in sims yet or was it just not as bad as wowhead made it seem?

[oak grotto]

I got this from the dung quest

Is it a decent ring?

And also, what does luck mean

[cloud rover]

+1 Luck means

You always do a flip

as a nightelf

[alpine wraith]

+1 luck is you are luckier than people that dont have +1 luck

also yea decent stacks

[tribal blade]

damn so there's a super isolated problem going on between all the wow players in hong kong (where i live) and blizz's services

noone here can connect to wow without a vpn

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/you-have-been-disconnected-error-code-wow51900328/2082989/17

[alpine wraith]

rip

maybe they messed up all the routing

[tribal blade]

like this forum post has a shocking amount of people from HK

i dunno, but there's people using like 3-4 seperate ISPs in this post

and everyone can't connect

apparently some other countries are also having the same problem

[random hare]

lets goo

[keen dome]

Nice

[alpine wraith]

big

[austere spindle]

The gain (5min patchwerk) from 658 Sussy Drink and Mythic Transmitter to one of the fully upgraded Dungeon Trinkets is a joke i guess. I actually dont know what to take...

[vale pine]

this discord redesign is killing me

[alpine wraith]

dont update like me

ez

[vale pine]

i use the web version, so it does it automatically

[alpine wraith]

aaaaaa

[dreamy badger]

What changed?

[alpine wraith]

change it to light mode just to spite people

they made everything like a 90s bad cartoon

[hollow spear]

Big oof.

[dreamy badger]

Bis cloak xdd

[hollow spear]

got a crafted one

[dreamy badger]

Anlaki

[hollow spear]

maybe legs fir catalyst next week

[lethal breach]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

they use a new grid layout, which looks ugly

most elements look difrent now, e.g. pins

[gritty zenith]

which ability should i use house of cards with if i do get it?

[dreamy badger]

Shadowblades

[wild vine]

It seems to be the old design on phone atleast

[dreamy badger]

Looks normal to me

[vale pine]

https://discord.com/blog/player-release-q12025

you can read about it on their website

[honest scarab]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gritty knot]

Finally I had some luck in vault after last season shit vaults until the very end

[obtuse osprey]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic ravine]

Which trinket besides house of cards is currently gear in the trinket sims?

[wild vine]

The one you have equipped

[magic ravine]

This is the fuu sheet sims

[alpine wraith]

they nerfed noggenfogger

[vestal escarp]

[vale pine]

yep

[alpine wraith]

so hands or dagger

[wild vine]

Can probably look at the raw input section then

[vestal escarp]

hey fuu, did you try simming finality for your bis profile? or swap to finality and resim bis gear with finality and see if it's a gain?

[alpine wraith]

he already changed to finality for st iirc

[vale pine]

i did on wowhead, think i did not on the sheet, let me quick check

[vestal escarp]

on sheet it isnt

hence why i asked

[vale pine]

give me 5 mins, will change

[vestal escarp]

no worries, didnt mean to make you busy

you might wanna also rerun gear

[vale pine]

i added fatebound

for assassiantion

because someone was like "bro this sims better"

apperently, it sims "about the same"

[wild vine]

But its also miserable

[vale pine]

alright, should be done

up to 2541M

some few .x %

[hollow spear]

might be less miserable with target swaps :p

[wild vine]

You dont play MA on sin anymore, so you have vanish for swaps if you cant manage the mark, but wrong channel ig

[visual veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fM5134aN9R72EuAq2E9pKm

noggen still simmin high, its nerfed but still with old calc on rbots?

and ratfang better than drink, kezan and mech?

[quick compass]

in a hypothetical world where I wanted to play both sub and assa: is it better to craft items with mastery crit or mastery vers

[random hare]

chat what do u think?

gloves craft angle or

thats my gear

[alpine wraith]

seems like it

[random hare]

no gloves till mugzee

feels kinda safe to craft

[fringe palm]

https://i.imgur.com/LY4rx8y.png socket it is

[alpine wraith]

you already have chest and helmet M?

[slate marlin]

myth hoc too

[fringe palm]

yes (helmet is hc with socket, so no upgrade for prog)

cant even use socket

[craggy blaze]

what is this UI ? ELvui ?

[random hare]

https://wago.io/bRl2gJIgz

[haughty mural]

Neat HoC

[alpine wraith]

he already got one the lucky bastard

[haughty mural]

More mythic hocs than 90% of subtlety population

[alpine wraith]

i finally got my heroic one

and also mastery stack likes finality a lot who woulda though!

a thing i didnt expect is the on use of cards does not work with circe's ring

but procs like drink or blessed grip do

interesting

also it seems you can do some funny things with pacemaker