subtlety

[hazy breach]

Mainhand weapon > trinkets > helm/chest/legs usually the best way to go about it

[shrewd shadow]

Is that due to just primary stat? Because rings and neck give way more secondary stat per level?

[hazy breach]

Primary stat is good too yes

[shrewd shadow]

Kk well I borked this week and maxed out both rings main hand neck and trinkets lol

Chest legs and helm at 1/6

[wild hornet]

I have reached a new low

Orange parses with blue/purple ilvl

[crystal bone]

ilvl parse is just not good to look at i feel like

people at your ilvl could have hoc, so ur instantly minus 100k dps

or whatever

(it was 100k dps for me)

[wild hornet]

No its just skill issue

I have hoc peace and 4set

[glass jasper]

We should for sure be delving guys!

665 energy drink almost as good as 678 eye of kezan

[wild hornet]

almost

[glass jasper]

Well, it's the closest trinket to it

So if you're not expecting mythic gally kill soon

Try to get it

[shell delta]

holy fk i thought i was tripping and suddenly cant click buttons

[small juniper]

with finality seaforium pacemaker is equal to eye of kezan on 5 min

[hazy breach]

Keyword being 5 min

[glass jasper]

Energy drink is beating hero track eye of kezan by quite a large margin

These sims are with finality

[ebon oyster]

energy drink good

but also try tinkering with 6 min sims or even 7 also can just swap around basing on what fight you are playing

[hazy breach]

Yep thats why i have one

[ebon oyster]

[lilac stag]

Nice house of cards

[ebon oyster]

i had mechano trinket in vault but i was given eye of kezan

[glass jasper]

DO YOU NEED??

[ebon oyster]

so i passed on it

maybe mistake idk

[hazy breach]

Nah kezan better

[ebon oyster]

i had banger things in my vault tho like 665 shoulders that saved me crest too

[wild hornet]

Yeah i think its time to do delves

[ebon oyster]

very efficient thing to take

[glass jasper]

Kezan beats mechano, but energy drink beats kezan

[wild hornet]

@glass jasper can you run a sim with that and a peacemaker on your char

[vale pine]

transmitter prison

[glass jasper]

Will do

[ebon oyster]

my dk got energy drink and i happily took it

[wild hornet]

Im thinking of using hoc and transmitter

[hazy breach]

Considering swapping to pvp trinket for locketdocker but well see

[vale pine]

[lilac stag]

jump three YEET

[crystal bone]

spockerdocket lockerstocken?

fun boss

[wild hornet]

The worst one is the platform

Cause tanks move too much

[glass jasper]

You mean Locketspronger longstockings?

[hazy breach]

Ye Spricketspracket Luckenstack

[wild hornet]

And i have to sit there like a dunce

To vanish sstrike after

[wild hornet]

Sprocketlocket fuckenstock

[lilac stag]

[crystal bone]

[glass jasper]

Whoever named him had fun

[crystal bone]

they had fun this raid

i wish we had a weapon literally named "best in slot"

2hand enjoyers

[glass jasper]

@wild hornet

All trinkets at 665 for that sim

[wild hornet]

Which delve is the trink from again

[glass jasper]

Uhm, i think using map in any delve can give it?

Not sure tho?

[hazy breach]

Yes all delves have the same loot table

[glass jasper]

And if you dont get it from map, smash 8 t8+ delves and hope for vaultluck.

[wild hornet]

Yeah that sure will take a while to get

[lilac stag]

Just be eleem

[glass jasper]

I have it booked in for next vault

It's easy really, just decide beforehand what you want to get in vault. Then get it.

😄

[vale pine]

you sadly can't target delve loot

[glass jasper]

Sure you can! With wishing power and alot of praying!

[vale pine]

just need to max out your luck score

[wild hornet]

Well blizzard and my guild listened to my complaints about not having a s2 head piece

And i got 2 in my vault

[crystal bone]

ugh i hate delves, i might just be satisfied with my pacemaker

[glass jasper]

Same, i was crying about having 645 offpiece shoulders, got shoulders in vault

You just have to want it badly enough, then you get it

[glass jasper]

Just do 8s, you kind of 2shot everything in there

End boss dies first dance in cds

[crystal bone]

true

[glass jasper]

Just don't do the underwater one and you're fine. That place can make anyone want to uninstall

[crystal bone]

the underwater one and the kobold candle one are my least favorite

[glass jasper]

Agreed

[crystal bone]

the underwater one is a neat idea, but they need like 5x more air bubbles

or just give u perma water breathing

[glass jasper]

Yea the having to chase air is just annoying af

[thorny rivet]

Isn’t there an underwater one where you get scuba gear

And air bubbles are for your spear gun

[glass jasper]

Not sure, i went into water delve once. Then i have never touched it

I think ocarina of time traumatized me, I don't do water areas if I absolutely don't have too

[thorny rivet]

The scuba one is really easy to farm. Stealth past all the mobs and most of the mechanics don’t take you out stealth when you interact with them

[crystal bone]

i like farming the new one in undermine with the golden elemental

seems fast

[haughty mural]

which ones are giving gilded again ?

[glass jasper]

11s but get that from keys instead

[haughty mural]

10+ right ? like 3 times a week

[vale pine]

i am still mad

[thorny rivet]

[vale pine]

for what they did to my fungal folly

removing my speedrunning strategy

[haughty mural]

they detected fun

[vale pine]

haha ye, severe case of "fun detected"

for those unaware of what i mean

the spores in this dungeon got a entire rework

you before the season could trigger them and pull enemies into them to do dps

[crystal bone]

yep i remember that

[void ocean]

yea, I did that all the time

[glass jasper]

Yes noticed today that didnt work

[vale pine]

they are now static

so they don't move

and enemies don't get damage from them

[crystal bone]

do u guys run with tank brann btw?

[vale pine]

healer usually

[glass jasper]

I honestly dont know

He's there, i know that

[vale pine]

tank seems like its useless

[crystal bone]

it was pretty broken until the nerfs and now he seems useless yea

[stable viper]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rustic pond]

Hey, it's been 3 days i play sub and i'm slowly learning the pacing of the class, here's my log from yesterday on the first 7 Hc boss : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LwfWFm8DcYt2bRHQ?type=damage-done&boss=3015&difficulty=4&wipes=1. What would be the first thing i need to work on to improve ?

[lucid jackal]

Your opener

[rustic pond]

flag before rup ?

[hallow sigil]

Guys help me out here a lil. I have a 665 pacemaker and a 658 geargrinder which Sims higher than pacemaker on a ST SIM for me. Is there any chance sim is wrong or is geargrinder better?

[lucid jackal]

There's like 6 wrong things in the opener

Flag before rupture, don't blades and flag at the same time

Don't dance and sod at the same time on the 2nd

[hazy breach]

Go to a dummy and replicate the opener in the guide until you can do it easily without looking at the guides

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[hazy breach]

The spec is 85% doing the opener correctly

(and subsequently doing the "opener" whenever your flag+blades is ready again)

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lucid jackal]

U also just need an actual on use

Go PvP

Get badge

[rustic pond]

ok thanks you very much, so working on the opener and getting a on use

[neat night]

Im looking at other logs and sometimes they use blades after sectec sometimes before, after looking at vids they mostly say after ur sectec so what should I do

[hazy breach]

Whatever you want

It does not matter

[rustic pond]

Should i aim for 2 on use trinket in the long run ? or peacemaker is fine

[neat night]

so I could use a maccro using blades dance and sod

then do the opener

[hazy breach]

No

[hazy breach]

No, one on-use for your cds (house of cards or pvp badge) and one passive

[radiant elk]

guys where can i get this feet ? " Nitroclad Striders "

[hazy breach]

Delves

[sleek notch]

[Prized Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity] 1.5min vs [Signet of the Priory] 2min?

[neat night]

why not, is sod the bad thing to do ?

[hazy breach]

Because you want to use blades after youve used premed from dance

So right before sectech or right after

[neat night]

oh

I can t use blades and then dance I need to dance use premed first

I see

[paper iron]

i woke up still mad at my vexxie's guild timer today 😠

[glass jasper]

Basically don't macro anything together. Exception trinket and blades, that is fine

[wild hornet]

My face when /pull 10

[lucid jackal]

Only macros are like

[wild hornet]

[lucid jackal]

Racials/trinkets/potion with blades

[wild hornet]

And battle pot to flag

[lucid jackal]

And then sectec cold blood

[wild hornet]

Arent u supposed to pot flag

Instead of sblades

[lucid jackal]

It don't matter

[shell delta]

how does this looks?

[glass jasper]

Yea doesn't matter. Damage doesnt realyl start to come out until after you pop blades anyway

Everything before that is just setup

[neat night]

if u guys can take a look at this, I used too much at the start so that s why I parse pretty bad ? https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9nbYf46m12BkLxpJ?fight=5&type=casts&source=179&view=events

[lucid jackal]

Wrong

Stop the vanish shit

[shell delta]

isnt it in guide?

[lucid jackal]

Shouldn't be anymore

[haughty mural]

we are defensive/utility vanisher again

[lucid jackal]

Also double wrong

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[lucid jackal]

You cold blood the first sectec

[glass jasper]

Looks fine except for CB first SecTech

[paper iron]

i dont like the cb sectech on first sectech in CDs, the vanish u could skip, otherwise it s goodie (u can also delay blades for when sectech hits for max gain)

[wild hornet]

Thats the smallest problem

Ngl

[lucid jackal]

It's like 1% dmg

[terse dirge]

We don’t vanish in opener anymore?

[shell delta]

Thanks for infoss!

[tame stone]

How you use your vanish, I slam it after the first triple dance

[paper iron]

u can, but can also skip it and use it later for utility / premed. It doesnt really matter that much i think 🤔

nowadays

[glass jasper]

I think vanish in opener or no vanish in opener is more of a preference than an actual rule

I would say

[tame stone]

But I usually keep it in m+ for utility

[paper iron]

Fuu deleting vanish from the guide made it the hottest topic in here

[vale pine]

there is no damage difference between vanish or not in the opener

[lilac stag]

it just gets CDs going sooner

Wouldn’t lose sleep over it

[haughty mural]

it's keeps vanish for the cool stuffs

[lucid jackal]

When Ur bored

[vale pine]

not doing the vanish is faster and as such overall easier to fit on fights

[lucid jackal]

It gets Ur cooldowns rolling faster

[tame stone]

Best use is dodging lightspawn beam

Cuz that thing hurts

[lucid jackal]

Delaying Ur Cd's like 5 globals is bad

[glass jasper]

But our muscle memory? We are old people and we don't like relearning

😄

[muted agate]

can you hear the roaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr

[clever delta]

I keep using vanish as opener wirhniut it feel weird now

[paper iron]

When they gonna chunk down vanish to a 90s cd

[vale pine]

thats a good reason to do the vanish too

[clever delta]

I literary had brain lag when I try opener wo vanish

[native zodiac]

Im mainly doing the vanish opener still bc of transmitter incase you get jump x3

[crystal bone]

for step 11, is it dance into double evis?

or do u want to backstab the 2nd dance still

one thing im not sure about

[paper iron]

depends

when u press dance how many cp do u have

[glass jasper]

Same, if I don't vanish opener I spend the whole pull with a strange feeling

[paper iron]

wont always be the same

[crystal bone]

ahh ok

[lucid jackal]

What?

[crystal bone]

so if full cp send the evis

[haughty mural]

i felt that difference yesterday on heroic reclear on bandit

[crystal bone]

and then backstab?

[haughty mural]

with vanish opener i just couldnt get anything on the first reel assistants

[paper iron]

basically see it like that : You press backstab if you have premed up + low cp

[native zodiac]

How will you get the transmitter popped for the first sec tech otherwise

[paper iron]

that s kinda how it should go

[haughty mural]

without i was able to slam my first sectec on em

before they disappear

[lucid jackal]

You transmitter with flag?

U have more than enough time to jump

[paper iron]

if u press dance and u can evis sod evis sectech for some reason, u arent fitting a backstab there

[terse dirge]

Your rupturing after press flag?

Well ig nvm

[lucid jackal]

That is what it says

[crystal bone]

yea i see

[native zodiac]

Maybe idk i just like to do it that way

[paper iron]

yes u do, this is correct

[native zodiac]

Then again doing the fast opener doesnt work on rik, stix or sprocket anyways

If you have transmitter

[lilac stag]

BP in ST is the hot new tech.

[haughty mural]

scath noo

[clever delta]

That's up with stix

What's up**

[lilac stag]

it is.

[native zodiac]

Boss gets moved so you cant pop the transmitter until in position

[haughty mural]

[clever delta]

Yeah sure i was thinking you may dslay

[paper iron]

guys real game is not like sims, like on rik u gonna evis vanish rupt buildcp then wait few seconds before pressing flag. The whole point of removing vanish from the guide is to improve flexibility

[clever delta]

Delay

[lilac stag]

~ 20 or less til flag off CD and coup is up, you BP instead

[haughty mural]

ah that

[lucid jackal]

What?

[serene moat]

Why do we shadow dance and then symbols, and not the other way around, does the order matter?

[lucid jackal]

Why doesn't fast opener work on sprocket

[haughty mural]

yea 15-20 it was iirc

[lucid jackal]

I did it all of prog

[haughty mural]

nothing that new, no ?

[native zodiac]

With transmitter?

[lucid jackal]

Yes

[lilac stag]

I took short as 10 or so. Eleem corrected me.

[paper iron]

havent progged sprock yet but i dont see why you couldnt just send it asap

[lilac stag]

wtf is this BP here. Lol

[paper iron]

[haughty mural]

ah i remember yea

[native zodiac]

I mean idk im not popping the transmitter during magnets

[lucid jackal]

Noob alert

[native zodiac]

So delaying the first set by 3 globals doesnt matter

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-fly-man-weeeeeee-gif-20105209

[glass jasper]

Just get the pvp trinket and get out of transmitter prison

[lucid jackal]

I'm progging mythic m8

I'm not losing 3% damage because I'm a noob

Need house of cards tho

[keen dome]

Just crit better instead, imo.

[crystal bone]

i got hoc second vault

its just that easy

[keen dome]

I got one on my first normal lead pug

It has speed

[haughty mural]

bro all your gear has speed

[cloud rover]

I mean HOC Heroic is still a loss

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

that's true actually lmao

[cloud rover]

of 0.1%

[cloud rover]

But you gain the ability

To not grief

[crystal bone]

it was a gain for me

i never had transmitter

xD

[paper iron]

slow ass

[keen dome]

It was a 10k DPS loss for me to go to PvP trinket

[cloud rover]

Thats a whole different situation

[paper iron]

i ve 80% speed on my speed gear

havent maxed it fully yet

[keen dome]

haha nice

But this is my actual gear >:D

[cloud rover]

If i hadnt a Transmitter i would play sin

🙂

[keen dome]

You've never seen someone fall down the gallywix hole as quickly as I have

[paper iron]

ok u fast

😠

[haughty mural]

did you jump after your orb ?

[paper iron]

have u experienced shadowstep bug on gally? I did fall down in a snap second

[keen dome]

Yeah in week 1 haha

I shadowstepped on my normal kill and it flung me off the edge

[keen dome]

The button to throw the bomb wasn't working

so I threw myself down the pit with the bomb

[haughty mural]

[paper iron]

LOL

it happened to us also

[glass jasper]

Have you also got bugged down the hole instantly on shadowstrike opener?

[paper iron]

it was if u phased the boss

while holding a bomb

i think

[keen dome]

In week 1 yeah lmao

[keen dome]

Yep that was it too

[paper iron]

idk if they fixed this

[keen dome]

It just didn't let me toss it, and I mean. it was still counting down

[lilac stag]

Unless you’re gonna defuse it, it’s gonna keep counting down.

[haughty mural]

great thought process to throw yourself down with it while it was still counting down

[paper iron]

man of culture

[keen dome]

I am very smart

[haughty mural]

i know

[paper iron]

lemme check the latest tier list

to see if you re smart

[lilac stag]

should have cloaked, jumped at last second and stepped back (just to fall twice)

[paper iron]

https://x.com/Bigmoranx/status/1902495117656858704

Bigmoran (@Bigmoranx) on X

Not biased, but this is my experience after ~20 years of WoW:

X · Mar 19, 2025, 10:59 PM

[keen dome]

ahaha

[paper iron]

u kinda smart yea

i swear i love random tierlists

[keen dome]

same

[paper iron]

it s the best content ever made

[glass jasper]

Seems legit

I approve it

[paper iron]

rogue do be smart

[lilac stag]

Replace intellect with stubborn

[cloud rover]

I made a healer in floodgate jump to my orb with me

[astral minnow]

but I play sub and bm

[paper iron]

it takes the lower value, so u 0 iq from now on because of this random tier list

sorry budd 😔

[lilac stag]

Tanks smarter

And they share a braincell

[haughty mural]

schizo ?

[paper iron]

LOL

[short aurora]

[astral minnow]

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Grippy Socks.

[keen dome]

I'd rather be on the 0 IQ (because IQ is nonsense anyway) with the brew tanks 'cos brew tanks go hard

[glass jasper]

I play both sub and SP

[cloud rover]

I wish i was brew tanks

[glass jasper]

Now that we are flexing on random fake real tierlist

[dense lichen]

Ret is 0 IQ for sure tho

[lilac stag]

what is this two class thing?

[placid elk]

i play sub and vengeance, what does that mean?

[serene moat]

Why do we shadow dance and then symbols, and not the other way around, does the order matter?

[lilac stag]

Yes

You want sod to line up for Sectech

You can and will send dance earlier

To get in extra evicerates before sod/sectech

[keen dome]

My big M+ buddy plays one and it brings me joy whenever he does

It's so fun

[haughty mural]

mine rerolled to pally

[paper iron]

i think

[haughty mural]

he is coping they'll rework it soon

[paper iron]

most ret players are dumb

but really great ret players use their utility at a really high knowledge

and they usually like to theorycraft many things

imo

i ll do my version of this tierlist

all the gdrood i know are smarts so i gotta fix it

[lilac stag]

Or they’re just ex healers

[dense lichen]

You can say the same of great players in any spec

[paper iron]

nah

like aug

i ve respect for like, 3 augs in the entire game

[serene moat]

Aah okay, I always:
symbols->dance->backstab->sectec

So better would be:
dance->symbols->backstab->sectec?

[paper iron]

[lilac stag]

It’s not set in stone. You are playing around your Sectech cooldown while not wasting supercharger.

[lucid jackal]

This is the same thing

[paper iron]

also idk this dude

[lilac stag]

The opener specifically

[paper iron]

is it pvp

[lilac stag]

You send back to back dance

and if you sent sod with 2nd dance it’s not gonna supercharge Sectech

[serene moat]

Oh damn seriously? Is that a bug?
Because I get the supercharger points showing up before sending the second sectec+cold blood, didn’t know it just doesn’t work😅

[cloud rover]

You didnt get what i meant

i made a joke

[keen dome]

oh no

[twilit phoenix]

grippy bussy

[paper iron]

it depends on your proc / refunds / cdr

[lucid jackal]

Why would that be a bug?

[paper iron]

wont always be the same

[lilac stag]

It depends on your procs, cp refunds etc

[lucid jackal]

Sod is next 2 finishers. If you sod with dance, in flag, you are 3 or so finishers away

[rustic pond]

as long as your next finisher after you active sod its fine right ?

[lucid jackal]

Not really

[rustic pond]

i dont understand the SD thing being before sod or after

[lucid jackal]

You symbols at 10 or less seconds on sectec cooldown

In cooldowns, you dance as soon as dance drops

[serene moat]

Is it?😅
Bcause WowAnalyzer tells me all my sod are done wrong, and all my shadow blades are not empowered by a preceding shadow dance, which completely confuses me😅

[lucid jackal]

You symbols at 10 or less seconds on sectec

[lilac stag]

We don’t support wow analyzer

[lucid jackal]

Wow anylzer has a giant disclaimer that said it doesn't work

[lilac stag]

no one got time or patience to make it work for sub

use !log if you want feedback

[rustic pond]

that's the part i dont get, if i sod 10 sec sectech cd, that means ill do some eviscerate in between to get the sectec cd to 0 and be able to cast it. But my superchargers would be wasted on evis ?

[lucid jackal]

Read supercharger

[serene moat]

But sod supercharger points do empower sectec right? Or is it bugged?

[tepid trellis]

it does work yes

[fickle mason]

Is fire mage hard to play and be good at

[lucid jackal]

Mage is probably the hardest class in the game

Just because of blink and alter time

[serene moat]

!log

[lilac stag]

If you are spending evicerates outside of dance you’re likely clearing tier just before going into dmg window which isn’t ideal. So you pop dance. Get stuff going then hit sod with Sectech and hopefully coup

[haughty mural]

with 10sec cd of sectec remaining your evis will refund 10

[neat night]

I keep reading and ye I realise if I use sod with dance then for the 2nd dance my sectec won t be powered another detail I didn t get

[lucid jackal]

Guys

[haughty mural]

so you dont need "some" evis at that point

[lucid jackal]

I beg you to read your talents

Read what supercharger does

[keen dome]

Reading talents is a very good starting point, and then asking for clarification if it isn't clear.

[lucid jackal]

This is the reason we don't use symbols and dance together

[tepid trellis]

NO i will not

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

blizzard tooltip. Who can trust those.

[keen dome]

It's important to read what Shadowheart does so you too can personally be dissapointed it exists.

[autumn flame]

Press divine storm

[lilac stag]

@tepid trellis is today wow or LA day?

[neat night]

also I was maccroing sectec to sod and because I push sectec button 3 times I was using all my sod charges ...

[tepid trellis]

yes

[keen dome]

Multi-MMO drifting?

[lilac stag]

If you stream LA let me know

[serene moat]

Huh what?
Why not?
I am really confused

[tired ridge]

Is Signet of the Priory really bad to use until I get house of cards (Saw it was C-tier) or is it a just sim yourself angle and make sure you get mastery from it angle?

[haughty mural]

yo i had a feeling i did read raccoons name in an alterac yesterday as i farmed for badge

[keen dome]

It's a 2 minute trinket, which we really do not want to use.

[tepid trellis]

i was indeed in 1

[lucid jackal]

You need an on use that's 130 or less

[lilac stag]

It’s bad

[neat night]

well sod charges are used even if u have one ccurrently running

[haughty mural]

[tired ridge]

Ahh thats why, thank you so much my fellow rogues!

[tepid trellis]

i was ninja capping the bozo's all game

[serene moat]

But.. we do?😅

[keen dome]

Our cooldowns are 1:30, so we don't want to be sitting waiting for stuff. Get the PvP trinket (It's 700 conquest) as a very strong alternative to HoC / Transmitter

[lucid jackal]

WE DON'T

WE DO NOT

[lilac stag]

Farm the 700 conquest for the pvp trinket.

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[neat night]

we use it right before sectec or 1 finisher away

[paper iron]

Why would i read talents when i can ask chatgpt how to do my rotation

[keen dome]

They have a relationship but we don't slam them at the same time

[haughty mural]

[neat night]

also because the pvp trinket is 1min cooldown are we doing 1 burst without it or we keep it for 30sec

[worn ivy]

Its actually better if u dance/backstab/symbols / sectech —-> u dont wanna waste 1st rotter charge on backstab..

[keen dome]

Pretend it's a 1:30 trinket 🙂

[lilac stag]

Macro to blades. Forget about it.

[keen dome]

Macro it to blades.

[tepid trellis]

you delay the 2nd SoD so its 1 finisher before your sectech

if you always pressed it with dance

you would not supercharge your 2nd sectecch

[neat night]

👍

[serene moat]

Wait what, do they automatically get used up? What are you talking about?😅

[neat night]

I wrote smth

[keen dome]

A finisher consumes them so yes, they get automatically used

[neat night]

if u can t read all of it

[paper iron]

washed up racoon

[neat night]

I said I was pushign the button a lot of times so it used all the charges

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

not very likely to happen, im just doing dailies on off-days and im gonna be doing raids friday/saturday

[tepid trellis]

we tested it in sims

it dont matter

[paper iron]

yea i know it s not big of a deal

anyway

[tepid trellis]

get fact checked bozo

[paper iron]

i found it just funny

also arent u playing finality over rotten?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-college-gif-26712064

[dark mica]

any good addons for tracking when in and out of shadowdance/ symbols of death - like audio queue or something

[paper iron]

sims higher for me

[tepid trellis]

i am yes

[keen dome]

Weakauras 🙂

[silk glade]

Hey Guys, I have trouble to be good on single target bosses, I always had like 90-95+ logs, and I was always on top. Now idk why, but i struggle a little bit. My burst damage is very very good 5-6m-ish, but mid fight I lose control and everything fucks up. Any advice you give me I really appriciate!!!🙌🙌

[serene moat]

Oh thx

[paper iron]

yea so u dont care at all about backstab after sod anyway

[autumn flame]

How much is the backstab in dance tech?

[dark mica]

haha yeah - - any suggestions of weakauras lol

[tepid trellis]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[keen dome]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lilac stag]

Use !log and post an example

[dark mica]

ty

[keen dome]

They're all really good. Have a look and pick your preference

[serene moat]

I have never had a rod go off automatically with a finisher, I don’t follow

[keen dome]

Oh, I was meaning the anima-charged is consumed.

[silk glade]

!log

[dark mica]

ty

[lilac stag]

I was going to make an inappropriate rod joke.

[fickle mason]

Do you guys rupture the adds on Ricky ReverbM

[dense lichen]

I don’t have access to it rn but there’s a macro u can use to prevent this

[tepid trellis]

no

[fickle mason]

ty

[silver yarrow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[serene moat]

I don’t understand, but shadow dance is not a finisher? Why would the suupercharger points not empower a following sectec?

[tepid trellis]

in the 2nd dance

sectech isnt your 1-2 finisher

thats why

so if i pressed SoD here with dance

sectech would not have been supercharged

[silk glade]

Am I did it right?

[lilac stag]

Looks like it. On mobile so I can’t check. Hopefully someone will take a peek

[serene moat]

Aah now I understand😅

[strange chasm]

symbols pandemics at 3 seconds right

[neat night]

the pvp trinket can be upgraded to 658 right ?

[bitter lark]

Yep

[haughty mural]

I hate it when if log 98 and the next day it is 96

[rustic pond]

But in this the supercharger isnt used on the evis ? and not the sectech

[neat night]

u have 2 charges

[tepid trellis]

it supercharges 2 finishers

[rustic pond]

OK !

thats what i was misssing

thanks

[serene moat]

Jesus that order is completely botched😅
I think I understand, I'm just frustrated with my abysmal logs, this has been the experience since start of the raid tier, and on single target fights I get absolutely dumpstered by our bm hunters, ret paladins and havoc dhs, and I am starting to think the sweat on sub is not worth it😅

[odd sandal]

Guys am I trolling for not using 1 backstab during shadowdance? Making another keybind for backstab seems so ass

[tepid trellis]

its like 0.5% dmg

so you make that call

[paper iron]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[paper iron]

also you can use that

if u dont wanna deal with another keybind

[lucid jackal]

I'm gonna lose my mind

[odd sandal]

hm maybe its not that bad

[tepid trellis]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[paper iron]

it does work, takes a bit of muscle memory to implement it but it s what i m using since i dont wanna add backstab in stealth bar really

can also replace dance with backstab in stealthbar since u cant dance when you re already in dance but idk

hopefull clip went really viral

[tepid trellis]

imagine having a stealth bar

xDDDDDD

[lilac stag]

The good news is you can play any of the 3 rogue specs. They all are mid tier dps and have atrophic poison. Play the one you enjoy.

[paper iron]

tbf

[odd sandal]

I'm not using stealth bar, always confused my when I started playing this game and got rid of it

[tepid trellis]

just dont play outlaw on mythic locken

[paper iron]

stealth bar

non stealth bar

[tepid trellis]

unless you wanna send everybody flying that is ofc

[paper iron]

sounds fun, imma do that

[lilac stag]

lol is that a thing?

[paper iron]

press ks

profit

[bleak night]

i need to do that at least once

[lilac stag]

I will 100% do that

[tepid trellis]

i dont actually know if that works

but id think it did

since there is no way they coded KS to act differently

so

[paper iron]

i think it does exactly that stealthi

bumping everyone

[lilac stag]

tricky outlaw isn’t bad, minus the motion sickness from KS every 15 ish seconds.

[paper iron]

but so, it makes them have less uptime

so u do more damage as outlaw

[tepid trellis]

close your eyes until the animation is done

[paper iron]

and get nerf

[tepid trellis]

just wait for the sound xD

[paper iron]

really cool

[lilac stag]

Just turn the monitor off completely.

[paper iron]

think lina did a weakaura that kinda fix ks camerashaking

[lilac stag]

fr?

[paper iron]

idk how it works and what it exactly does

[serene moat]

Hmm, I think I am going to give it one more week of raiding, but if my logs still don’t improve, I'm gonna switch back to sin i think, I am so focused not blacking out on my rotation that I can hardly focus on the fight mechanics😅

[paper iron]

but pretty sure she did something about it

i m trying to find it rn

[lilac stag]

slam a training dummy or run lfr on repeat

the spec plays differently than most wow specs. Takes awhile to click for some folks

[paper iron]

https://wago.io/sxluMtTVM

there u go

[lilac stag]

a lot of us already know the nuances of sub from playing it for years

[paper iron]

idk what it really does and how it works, but i ve seen it in otulaw chat sometimes

[lilac stag]

I’ll test it later.

Quite curious

[strange chasm]

Anyone know if there is a way with Elvui to change the class bar from the squares to circles and to show the charged combo points?

[paper iron]

We dont really have charged cp anymore, they removed old ER minigame

[lilac stag]

WAs can do it easy enough. Elv… good luck

[fleet island]

does anyone have the wa that makes a sound when you get back cps

similar to outlaws

[lilac stag]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[fleet island]

ty

[paper iron]

well it still "charge" them to show supercharger stacks, but should be easier to just track how many supercharge u have left than doing it this way

[night sparrow]

What's the % difference between symbols+dance full cp evis > backstab > SecTec and full cp > SecTec anyone knows ?

ofc if coup de grâce si active you'll always evis first but if not active

[tepid trellis]

big cds you always wanna sectech first
normal dances issue with sending an Evis first that isnt coup is that you are delaying your next coup for no reason

[night sparrow]

Alright thank's o/ how does it delay next coup tho I'm missing something 🤔

bc SecTec cancels invis blade next 2 cds ?

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

Yes sectech gives you 2x unseen blade procs for free

[night sparrow]

thx mates awesome helpers ❤️

[paper iron]

De rien

ok it s time to farm pvp, i delayed it enough

[odd sandal]

does anybody know why people backstabo ONLY in 1st shadowdance? im confused as hell with backstab thingy

[tepid trellis]

he just didn't feel like doing it again

[odd sandal]

so its always correct to do it

[empty cargo]

!log

Make it hurt ^

[lucid jackal]

yep

[rustic pond]

dont you want to shadow blades before the first sectech tho ?

[paper iron]

u can

u can not

[lucid jackal]

Doesnt matter

[paper iron]

not a big deal

[lucid jackal]

bulk of sectec damage is the followup hits

[haughty mural]

Clones need to have it

And they hit delayed

[odd sandal]

okay time to hit dummy for 3h before raid to relearn opener

[chrome palm]

I saw someone talking about holding coup de grace before burst windows, do we send it after flagellation before secret technique or after secret technique?

[hazy breach]

After

The cdr on sectech is important

[rustic pond]

assuming i have all key mapped in solo is it ok to have a macro for Pot+Sod+SD+Trinket+Backstab ?

just to ease the starting

[lucid jackal]

yes

[hazy breach]

If you use it before you would end up with your second sectech delayed 1 builder+one spender, which means you likely will miss your unseen blade(s) in dance+blades

[tepid trellis]

id remove the tinket from it

[lucid jackal]

Trinket on blades

[tepid trellis]

and just macro it to blades unless its transmitter

[rustic pond]

ok

[warped ferry]

Have a question, I currently have a two macros that I use involving st, one that is paired with shadowblades, and one that’s paired with cold blood, would I need a third bind for just a plain st or will the two key ones suffice?

[dark mica]

raid opener, do you all weave vanish in or just use it when you are out of blades

[odd sandal]

out of blades/for utility

[dark mica]

TY.

Learning Sub again (Was ass ) last time i played rogue was spine of deathwing..

[mystic ether]

Is the school of the focusing lens embellishment relevant?

[hazy breach]

Nop

[mystic ether]

Ok ty

[celest zodiac]

!MACRO

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[rustic pond]

I use a cast sequence macro for Flag and SB, is it possible to add the trinket only on the second press ( for SB )

?

[mystic ether]

Is it worth crafting a neck if thats my worse piece by far? (639)

[odd sandal]

one more question
Does this passive point apply to Nimble Flurry Evis? Im not sure if Shuriken storm on 2 targets for Find Weakness is good or nah

[hazy breach]

Probably, should sim it

[mystic ether]

Simming wouldnt be fair though, cause its a way worse piece than the others

Hope you understand what I mean

[hazy breach]

If your main target has find weakness the shadowed evis will cleave with nimble

[hazy breach]

Just sim all the other things you could craft too

And it will show you which one is the highest increase

[upper narwhal]

Today I get HoC for sure

today I escape transmitter hell

[odd sandal]

Wait so we spread find weakness only for blackpowder? For Nimble flurry it doesnt matter?

[mystic ether]

2 hoc dropped on my guilds last gallywix hc

[hazy breach]

Yes

[mystic ether]

I got none PepeHands

[hazy breach]

Technically it does matter as the other targets take 10% increased physical damage from nimble

But not enough to warrant storming instead of striking

[lilac stag]

Neck is a good option. No good mythic lvl ones

[odd sandal]

Okay thanks

I feel like im learning something new about this spec everyday

thank god i dont need to learn shadowdust 💀

[empty cargo]

Same. I thought I knew sub but I didn’t know shit

[dense lichen]

So since we’re burning a Rotten stack on Backstab now, has anyone messed around with using Finality instead? Is The Rotten still better?

[hollow snow]

Sim yourself brother

[tepid trellis]

it depends on gear

Finality has been better for me for about a week or so

[vestal escarp]

Switched to finality too

[dense lichen]

I would but I’m not home and idk how to change talents on quick sim from my phone

[tidal python]

Also, if we're backstabbing for macabre stacks, why do we use sectec as the first finisher during dance?

[vestal escarp]

Heavy mast and 4p seem to activate robot about it

[dense lichen]

Guess I’ll just test it out when I’m home. Seems like Finality would be a no brainer because of how much of our damage comes from finishers.

[tepid trellis]

shadowstrike does ALOT of dmg as well

so its not that clear cut

[oak grotto]

Can you send Dance without SecTech/SoD for the Damage in AoE for example with BlackPowder?

[lucid jackal]

nop

Only dance with symbols

only symbols with sectec

[tidal python]

Dropping the rotten for finality seems to be a 0.4% DPS increase for me kekw

[oak grotto]

So Subrogue is like Nerf, the toygun company? Where the Slogan was like "nerf or nothing"

So either you send All, and by that I mean ALL, and if you dont send one you dont send anything?

[rustic pond]

either ALL, either SoD+SD + sectech

[oak grotto]

Do you send Supercharger Coup in AoE still? Or BP in 7+ and Evi/Coup in below 7 with supercarger

[hazy breach]

You still use coup asap even in higher target counts

[lilac stag]

make what hurt?

[orchid sand]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty cargo]

I was gunna load my logs but I’m going to tonight after raid. Make it hurt = intense constructive criticism

[kindred saffron]

Make it hurt uwu

[oak grotto]

So it goes like Coup if available, BP 7+ and eviscerate otherwise, Supercharger doesnt make a difference?

[jade urchin]

im going to rik reverb mythic tonight, does anyone have any specific tips for it, especially in regards to shadowdance usage?

[clever delta]

any good person to tell me how do i get that badge trinket pvp

[crystal bone]

im curious if u send cds on pull for rik

or wait the 10 seconds for him to do his flight bs

then send

[empty cargo]

I’ve heard you wait 13-15 seconds

[jade urchin]

do u mean the circle?

[crystal bone]

yes

[jade urchin]

u can evasion it

no?

[crystal bone]

oh really

[jaunty heath]

You can evasion it ye

But

Timers like cds around 14 seconds in

Goes hard for first add spawn

[jade urchin]

so like 1 rupture 2 eviscerates then send roughly?

[crystal bone]

interesting

[full wyvern]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/rik-reverb

[hazy breach]

You should always supercharge sectech

The other one doesnt matter. You just follow the regular priority

[sick sand]

can someone link me a thread Eleem has made a couple months back with rotational changes for tww

cant find it

[hazy breach]

I removed it

[sick sand]

oh

[hazy breach]

Because it was outdated

Yet people kept referring to it

[sick sand]

just wanted to check do we send sectec if flag is on 30 seconds remaning cd

[sly shore]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[oak grotto]

Can you send CB+SecTech outside Blades but with SoD/Dance?

[rustic pond]

not unless you have it ready for your flag and sb window (the second cast)

[crystal bone]

cb is saved for only flag/blades window

[oak grotto]

ty

[full wyvern]

I'd say the only exception that is probably in M+ if youre holding major CDs for next pack and you know youll have it back for second dance. Just my opinion on that

[wintry holly]

You can get a Cold Blood in on a Secret Technique when if comes off cd, and should fit into the next flag/blades window.

[jade urchin]

if you delay it by just a few seconds ud have to delay ur flag window etc too

else u might miss sb window for the second sectec wth cb

which hurts more than getting a second use

usually not worth the risk

[wintry holly]

Yeah very true. If it lines up it's worth, but often isn't.

Those few seconds make a real difference with flawless stacks etc

[nocturne canopy]

Do we ever land a SD/SoD/STech in between cd? I know the occurence made it so we land a SoD + STech, but i always feel like with cdr i stack my 2 charges forever

[frigid light]

could it be that flag is off gcd guys? i am new to sub

[rustic pond]

flag is on the gcd iirc

[frigid light]

ty

[jade urchin]

you can send 1 or 2 shadowdances between flag windows

its weird due to cdr and mechanics forcing u to loose uptime

and due to SoD being on 25 seconds cd

[haughty mural]

2 between first cds and second, 1 between 2nd and third

[jade urchin]

meaning it wont align well with 90 seconds cds after some fight duration

[jaunty heath]

CDS - 2 - CDs - 1 - CDs - 2

Number of dances

Between cds

It’s always the same

Pmuch

[haughty mural]

2 between 3rd and forth cds

Ye what Armin2 says

[jaunty heath]

And then you just have 1 symbols + tech per fight

Can put it wherever

Fight dependent

On patchwerk it’s after first cds and 2 dances

[haughty mural]

Yah varies if there are adds or not during the fight

[jaunty heath]

Yuh

If there’s an add spawn where you can’t dance send there

Sub do be very static

[random hare]

sub top dps

[keen dome]

Sub blastin'

[jade urchin]

fake screenshot no blood dk

[keen dome]

Love to see it

[jade urchin]

unholy*

not blood

[dark mica]

whats the breakdown

if you still have it up

[dark mica]

pretty slick

ty

[glass jasper]

I feel like sub is always topping meters in keys?

Atleast alot of the time

[wild hornet]

During a trash fight before boss, are you gonna send a sdance symbol sectec at most?

[tame stone]

this is pretty decent until jastors no?

[glass jasper]

Depends if its a dank pull or nah, but yea thats my "baseline" approach to it

[tame stone]

3 rings, 0 trinkets T_T

[paper surge]

Can you go over 100% mastery?

[wild hornet]

I tried to fiddle in flag

Turns out that results in wet noodle damage

[crystal bone]

thats what im using

its good for both sub and sin

[lilac stag]

cant make anything hurt when its an empty void 🕳️

[vale pine]

vers mastery is rly good for sub

nice

[tame stone]

still missing signet tho

how big are yall simming already?

[empty cargo]

That’s why I’m doing after raid 🤓

[digital frigate]

when are people thinking of replacing circlet? I have 658 Radiant Necromancer and Ritual Bone, and I know sim it I just didn't know how accurate the circlet sims are (maybe theyre completely fine idk)

[tame stone]

pin says 670~

[digital frigate]

fair missed that ty

[shadow lance]

Max HC or what the Sim tell

[digital frigate]

so had to be double myth track rings

[glass jasper]

Yea kinda all or nothing it feels. But if it's a big pull I tend to full send on the pack. Then have to do healer damage first 30 sex of boss. Pack before first boss ML i also full send, since we wanna wait for footballs before we blast anyway

[hallow sigil]

Saw on logs that eleem is running a point in Finality over The rotten. thoughts on whats better?

[lilac stag]

sim

nothing in raid needs rotten fwiw

[hallow sigil]

does anything in m+?

[golden totem]

@clever delta hope you liked my crappy tanking

[clever delta]

i was thinking your name is familiar 😄

[vale pine]

finality and rotten are very close

so both is fine

[clever delta]

whats better for cleave

[strange chasm]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[remote rapids]

just curious, dumb question more than likely, but that dance+backstab macro ... what is the difference between just having /cast Shadow Dance > /cast Backstab? Just for times when 7+ targets and don't really want/need Backstab for stacks?

[hallow sigil]

cheers. just run a sim and its a minor dps increase for me to run finality yeah so its fine either way

[honest saddle]

yuhp

[limpid sage]

Sometimes you want to cast a finisher as you enter Shadow Dance instead of Backstab

[upper narwhal]

I was doing some sims around this, and basically any situation where you would want to use the guaranteed crit on Storm to spread FW, rotten is better

[clever delta]

yeah i know but you dont do that very often in raid

[upper narwhal]

so for big AoE Rotten is better but for low target cleave finality seemed better

[gritty knot]

Tbh I searched for a "Crate" raidgroup and minimum every 5 Minutes U ll get 60 conquest. Took around 1 Hour max to get those 700 points

[clever delta]

thanks thats seems fast

[gritty knot]

Ye it's superfast tbh. And this trinket is OP with this weeks affix.

[spark crystal]

in shadow dance we use first stab and after shadow strike ?

[full frost]

I had trouble getting into the crate groups but did the weekly BG quests, and the Ashran and Wintergrasp quests that give 250 conquest each. Took longer than crates but that worked for me.

[worn ivy]

yo quick question why in sims its sending backstab after symbols + dance and not dance + backstab + symbols = if u backstab after symbols 1st rotter is kinda waste or ?

[clever delta]

seems i find one

[worn ivy]

am i complete delush?,

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

[worn ivy]

even on aoe stuation ? @hazy breach

[hazy breach]

Well on aoe you'd use it with storm

Aoe being 7 or more

[worn ivy]

yes brother but u still do like dance backstab + symbols + sectech + storm

right?

if u do symbols backstab 1st rotten is wasted on backstab

[finite token]

quick question what embelishment do I add to the crafted dagger for sub?

[full frost]

Sim it but i’d say the consensus is 2x elemental focusing lense …

[tepid trellis]

if you dont cosume 1 rotten on the first builder on AoE

your storm as 2nd builder would consume both

[worn ivy]

@hazy breach

[finite token]

thank you didnt know you could sim it

[vestal escarp]

it does not matter

[paper iron]

gonna do them rn, how much conquest is a crate just so i know

[light finch]

should i still use backstab for the first hit in my shadowdance window without shadow blades ? feels clunky

[lilac stag]

60

[clever delta]

nbo idea got hammaered by another riad 😄

[paper iron]

and what do u look for in the lfg, i see only spark farm people

[lilac stag]

crate

Or pvp groups

[clever delta]

i see none

only the shitty one i was in

[paper iron]

oh that s why

[spark crystal]

is it big loss if we ditch backstab in shadow dance?

[clever delta]

no

[paper iron]

0.5

+/-

[random hare]

+14 rookery

[alpine wraith]

i hate the second boss

it can die in a fire

although the 8 m+ i did this week were rookery

[paper iron]

it s like df yea? Crates spawn every 15mn in every region right? No need to be in a specific one?

[alpine wraith]

it is the fastest by far

yea there are wa for the crates

although tbh i just did 12 rounds of solo shuffle this time

[crystal bone]

show last boss dps

[alpine wraith]

to get pvp trink

[paper iron]

oh imma catch that one

[crystal bone]

[paper iron]

going for neck

[random hare]

not too good i think i did way more week 1

i died cuz sleepy xdd

gonna make coffee now

lost 8 stacks+coup on burst window

[solemn lance]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[paper iron]

feeling alone

[random hare]

@crystal bone however look at 1st boss ML +15

[crystal bone]

damn

[random hare]

kinda opened a new asshole for that robot

[paper iron]

u cd p1 and p3 right zero?

[crystal bone]

my best was 3.8m on a +11

[paper iron]

dont have time to cd eveyr phase i guess

[random hare]

yes

[paper iron]

kulling must be popping off sometimes

idk about his current gear

[crystal bone]

u can send a dance on pull

[random hare]

i didnt send anything on pull

nothing at all

way bigger dps gain

u need tfd for the burst for that mega ass fucking fuck dps

get 17 stacks of shadow techniques and thank me later

[crystal bone]

tfd?

[random hare]

the first dance

[crystal bone]

ahh

[paper iron]

tfd > thd

[lilac stag]

duh

[crystal bone]

noted

for next time

[paper iron]

dude afked probably like 30s at the end of the last pack

doing only auto

getting his big sht stacked

worth it tho

[random hare]

no

just afk on 1st boss

not on pack

[paper iron]

oh so u meant

[random hare]

u wont do shit out of that amp phase

[paper iron]

u just pulled him and afk autoattacks to stack up sht before sending?

[random hare]

ye why would u send insta

[paper iron]

OH BUT

ML

[random hare]

ur waiting for amp cuh

[paper iron]

I THOUGHT

CINDERBREW

I M A DOG

[random hare]

xdd

[crystal bone]

u dont even apply a rupture?

[random hare]

u can send symbols before the amp phase

[crystal bone]

just afk?

[random hare]

i do

[crystal bone]

ah ok

[random hare]

u have to have a full rupture

so

2 ruptures

snd up

and then symbosl up

u will get to 17 before the amp phase

then full send

have coup up

dont backstab

if u do u wont get fazed when u need it for coup

[paper iron]

4.63 is huge, max i ve done is probably like 4.2 but was in a 12 so cant compare at all

[random hare]

so just press shhuriken storm

[paper iron]

had only one set of cd and cool kill timer

[random hare]

if u do everything i typed here

u can do 4.6m

and 5m with few more ilvl

and maybe more with lust even

[alpine wraith]

yea just get Sht on pull strike rupture

[random hare]

xd

we didnt have lust on that pretty sure

iirc

[alpine wraith]

you lust a pull likely

[random hare]

cuz u send lust 1st pull of the dungeon

[paper iron]

probably lusted first pull

[random hare]

on high keys u have to send lust on cd

thats why

it was r2 on EU or something so the +15 was kinda high key

at the time we did it

[crystal bone]

how u track sht stacks?

[random hare]

its a buff

[crystal bone]

i mean what wa do u use

[random hare]

i look at buffsd

buffs

top right

[crystal bone]

[random hare]

because i dont normally look at it unless im afk

u can make a WA if u want

[crystal bone]

too many buffs top right to sort thru

[random hare]

idk i just see it insta

and i dont look at it unless im like

mega afk

nothing happening

otherwise no point

[crystal bone]

did u send as first ball goes in

or a few balls

[sudden breach]

do you log?

[random hare]

i dont log my keys

[random hare]

kinda yea

mainly to fit another dance in that dmg amp

[crystal bone]

final timer ticks as last ball goes in right?

yea

[random hare]

then 1 dance in the other amp

then full send again on 3rd amp

u need to be mindful of ur symbols, and dance cdr u really need to get that shit back for the 3rd dmg amp

otherwise u wont do that number

[alpine wraith]

for motherlode you can run 2 on uses

[molten citrus]

ofc i get this on my DH

[random hare]

4.63m is quite alot, its almost as high as 678 dps i used to do in ptr when i was clueless about all of these minmaxes for that boss

[molten citrus]

[alpine wraith]

2 bosses with amps and a boss with an interphase where nothing happens

[random hare]

its 1 boss

2nd boss is useless

unless u wanna pad

[alpine wraith]

the dmg on the mob cleaves to azerokk