subtlety

[paper iron]

yea on non rp like priory

this trinket a banger

it loses value with rp but still looks great

[hazy breach]

I guess they just mega buffed it compared to ptr

[leaden prairie]

every 2 s

eleem

idk how long after combat it starts droppiong tho

[paper iron]

go test ya noob

[leaden prairie]

im at work

[paper iron]

quit your job

[hazy breach]

Seems to be 2s

[leaden prairie]

ye

ye its 2 s after it starts decaying

[hazy breach]

A bit cringe with tfd unfortunately

[leaden prairie]

well its just insta i guess

[hazy breach]

No its 2s

Like the first stack drops 2s after you leave combat

[leaden prairie]

Well ye

But it's 2 sec between stacks so it just start insta basically

[hazy breach]

Ye ig

[leaden prairie]

But like, even if you have 15 s between packs, you only lose 7 stacks or so

15s is quite a lot

[hazy breach]

Ye

[leaden prairie]

As outlaw when playing with coin last season, that decays in 15s after a pack out of combat

I was managing to keep it basically Perma

[hazy breach]

Just sucks that you often want like 8s or so for tfd

[leaden prairie]

Until RP stuffs

[vale pine]

tfd should rly lose the out of combat time requirement

[errant tinsel]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[leaden prairie]

tfd is like, I heard you guys were complaining about resteatlh? I got you fam

[placid crown]

Were some "rules" calculated for the p4 set bonus ? For example, very important to cast dance only if a certtain amount of stack, or an other amount, or just play and ignore the buff set ? what to do best with that

[hazy breach]

Nope, just play

Hope you dont lose it

[vale pine]

it kind of is, it seems intentionally designed to be even more obscure than typical talents

[weak hamlet]

Help 😮

[thin sinew]

surely has to be jastors ring right?

[weak hamlet]

I was thinking more eye of kezan no?

[placid crown]

ty

[thin sinew]

depends are you likely to roll the very rare drop table in vault or raid again vs a standard drop

[weak hamlet]

my reasoning is a myth ring might outperform hero jastor ring but its hard for a myth trinket to outperform hero eye of kezan

[leaden prairie]

also its straight up not working anyway, why can i insta stealth after a pack, but tfd takes like 5sec to start ticking?

[vale pine]

possible that it uses diffrent out of combat events

hard to say

[thin sinew]

would need to sim that really to know. don't want to say the wrong thing

[forest moss]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[weak hamlet]

appreciate the input broski

[surreal knoll]

Is the new tier set worse than last tier? My season 1 tier set was full mythic, but a mix of normal/heroic tier set for season 2 sims lower even though it’s a higher ilvl :/

[thin sinew]

i know for me 2set is a marginal gain at hero

[surreal knoll]

Is that over 4pc from last tier?

[alpine wraith]

is there any scrip to check what gives rep in the raid

im missing 450 rep somehow

[thin sinew]

yup

2 hero 2 set over myth 4set

[surreal knoll]

Huh thats super interesting, I’ll have to run some sims again I guess

[swift tinsel]

Same and I can’t figure out why, there’s a few of us stuck just below the rank for 3% boost

[red raven]

LFR?

New bosses out that give 450

[swift tinsel]

Did a full normal and half heroic clear though and still short though

[hazy breach]

Maybe didnt tag/loot the lieutenant mobs?

or just bugged

[swift tinsel]

Could be, I’ll try lfr lieutenant killing later lol

[full lagoon]

random question but does the shadowed finishers damage double dip or nah

like its increased by monk debuff first hand and also dh buff after?

[hazy breach]

Does not double dip no

Shadowed eviscerate actually has nothing to do with the regular eviscerate damage

Its just a seperate spell

(which is why they almost always forget to include it when they make new stuff for eviscerate)

And its why none of the effects from deathstalker works on shadowed finishers

[weak hamlet]

Yo guys I have a question if any1 can help, I used to have a keybind for Sectech + CB macro until I replaced the macro with just sectech but no matter how many times I replace it each time i go in an m+ dungeon it uses the macro instead of just sectech. I have tried replacing once the dungeon started as well to no avail, lmk if any1 knows a solution

[hallow sigil]

Did you replace the macro in both m+ and raid spec AND also in your normal and your stealth bar?

[keen steppe]

Delete the macro from your macros? ^^

[alpine wraith]

ok found the fix

you have to log out and log in again

with the char taht killed those bosses

[swift tinsel]

Oh that’s it? Ezpz thanks!

[alpine wraith]

i did lfr with an alt and was 2050 logged off to do things with rogue then logged in to the alt again and now im renown 4

[twilit phoenix]

Classic Hachadino W

Offering banger advice

[weak hamlet]

nope will try to do so now

[hallow sigil]

So do we just do an lfr clear before raid time and we should have the buff for reclear?

[hallow sigil]

That's what got me when I swapped. Hope it works

[weak hamlet]

thx mate 😄

[alpine wraith]

yea even if it bugs seems to be solved like this

[stone patrol]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[worn ivy]

Yo what are we crafting next ?

[hazy breach]

Your worst slot pretty much

[twilit phoenix]

Welcome back lashga

You forgot this king 👑

[alpine wraith]

yea patch your worst

[haughty mural]

im pretty sure i'll craft bracers next

[alpine wraith]

same

big mastery

[worn ivy]

There is no versa mastery neck

[alpine wraith]

the pvp one

[twilit phoenix]

I went boots this week

Didn’t wanna spend money em

Been using pvp neck, gloves, and bracers for now

[tribal blade]

wait how are you guys crafting again when we crafted last week

[worn ivy]

Brooooo

[tribal blade]

or were you sitting on sparks

[worn ivy]

😦

[twilit phoenix]

I didn’t send my second craft last week

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha

[worn ivy]

U could craft 2x 2nd week

[twilit phoenix]

We get another craft next week right?

[worn ivy]

If u saved gilded

[twilit phoenix]

I sent a bunch of gilded on trinkets

[tribal blade]

yeah next week we get another craft

[twilit phoenix]

Since I got banger trinkets early

[worn ivy]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Lashga should i craft breacers or neck ?

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[elder pebble]

Guys? Is the recraft on crafted wpn bug still there? where you can upgrade offhand for free?

Rip

[vestal escarp]

do we know if they fixed the dagger craft crests scam?

[spark plover]

its the same question and yeah. its fixed

[mighty citrus]

team can we already get the 6% raiddmgbuff this week?

iam at lvl 4 raid rep

[pulsar gate]

The first and second supercharged CPs offer the same benefit right?

So why not do evis before sec tech for extra macab and still get supercharged

[vestal escarp]

lmao ngl i literally tabbed and typed

didnt even bother to see one line above

[opaque valve]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

3% this week

[paper iron]

cuz you want sectech to be back asap for your second dance

to fit it during blades

[mighty citrus]

oh maybe i cant read. can i only view the rep in raid itself or can i do outside as well?

[tribal blade]

yeah you can view it on the rep thing on your mini map

there's a button there

[frigid prawn]

What is good to craft beside the weapon?😄

[paper iron]

depedns on your gear

[twilit phoenix]

This right here

[pulsar gate]

That’s what I figured

[tribal blade]

people are either going ver/mast neck or cape/wrists with an armor patch

[paper iron]

neck is great, wrist aint bad, cloak nice, boots amazing, 1 hand for outlaw is nice, int dagger to heal can be usefull

lot of stuff possible

[crystal bone]

i noticed in the aoe BP opener, we dont evis for SnD? is it just not important in high target counts?

[paper iron]

(the int dagger was a joke ofc, dont be a zerocool)

[pulsar gate]

My struggle is knowing when to send CDs between flags. What are some hallmarks to know I can fit a second dance? Sometimes I can do 2, sometimes after the one dance I only send a symbol sec tech

[cunning notch]

funny you say that, 1st thing i did when coming back to play Sub was craft that int dagger

[hard lintel]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[limber relic]

Too late crafted int dagger already

[pulsar gate]

I did MH and Neck

I know your supposed to send SD them symbols but is there any issue with me sending symbols then dance?

[paper iron]

u guys are crazy

[tribal blade]

probably not unless you're using a finisher before you hit dance

[pulsar gate]

Nah

[tribal blade]

would be better to just get used to hitting dance first

[pulsar gate]

why tho?

Gotta switch binds

Idt I’ve ever sent a finisher between them

/ I’ve never sent a solo dance either

[tribal blade]

that's honestly a new question haha, never heard someone ask that one

[pulsar gate]

I’m assuming there’s no issue with it

[tribal blade]

yeah so long as you're not hitting a builder or finisher outside dance after you hit symbols should be fine

[pulsar gate]

right

it’s instant

[glass jasper]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[crystal bone]

@hazy breach

[pulsar gate]

How many ruptures do we want to spread in aoe

[sonic elm]

Hmm.. I was looking at the opener for sub on wowhead and Vanish has been dropped

Why's that?

[twilit phoenix]

Better to get into your cooldowns faster

You’ll end up getting snd up naturally within a global or two of your first dance anyways

[paper iron]

u ll need to eviserate for coup soon

[lusty narwhal]

sims says alchemical chaos, guide says versa flask - is there any more info to consider or just go with the sims?

[alpine wraith]

they are very close

[copper vapor]

Hello, should the pacemaker be cast all the time with shadow blades or its better to unsync them 1/2 ?

[lusty narwhal]

i assume alchemical chaos is more of a gamble because you dont want haste in your cooldowns

[normal gyro]

as a thief under the Circe ring can we never get rid of it?

[muted agate]

pacemaker is passive bro?

[copper vapor]

oh

ah

yea for some fucking reason i thought it was an on use

[normal gyro]

I have two years of 675 stats, but it's still above that.

[copper vapor]

alright yep

[oak grotto]

Is it worth to track the Tier set winning streak?

[normal gyro]

What am I supposed to do to keep it all season?

[cunning notch]

what the main difference between Deathstalker and Trickster ?, trick good death bad ?

[lusty narwhal]

you would not change your rotation depending on the winnings streak, so why track it

[oak grotto]

I'd say Tricktster is better in burstwindows while Deathstalker is more for sustained

[cunning notch]

ight okok thanks for clearing that out

[pulsar gate]

I watched a vid that said hold coup for like 20s to cast in SD and just BP for ST

Fact or cap?

[hazy breach]

+-0

Mostly

[pulsar gate]

so just send it then

[hazy breach]

yep

[pulsar gate]

Word

Makes sense

what is your gauge for if you send a 2nd SD before flag

[oak grotto]

You can play both, but trickster shines better in m+

[pulsar gate]

like if I have 40 s left I feel comfortable to send it

[hazy breach]

Like in + on a mob with 5% health sending coup is wasteful

Since you wont get much use out of the +15% damage

[pulsar gate]

am I wrong for having a symbols sec tech only small burst between CDs?

[hazy breach]

Trickster makes your spells do more damage and interacts well with your kit.
Deathstalker adds some random plague damage onto most of your spells and has annoying gameplay

[crystal bone]

eleeeem

send elp

[hazy breach]

yes get snd up before

[crystal bone]

kk

[hazy breach]

Realized the sim doesnt have coup give snd

Trying to adress that

[crystal bone]

trying more keys now that i have HoC

big pumper

[strong ingot]

Anyone get the bug with So Tricky where the tricks buff doesn't remain for the hour?

[hazy breach]

30s > attack something > get 60 minute

[strong ingot]

Or am I a tool and missing something

Yep, tool - thank you.

[cunning notch]

it kinda does yeah, random poison and bleed stuff

[swift tinsel]

don't forget Hilariously Undertuned Design Intent

[runic sluice]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

DM is also a pain to play around, even if you can apply it more frequently than assassination

[haughty mural]

The snd skipping faster opener is mostly for single target iirc

[stable viper]

!craft

[crystal bone]

so like first giga pull in cinderbrew its a evis then rup spreading

then cd window

[swift tinsel]

snd in aoe isn't as impactful because you aren't backstabbing outside of dance to generate ub procs so the resets from thousand cuts don't really matter

same with shadow tech

[stable viper]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[crystal bone]

gotcha

[swift tinsel]

you'll get snd in dance though when you coup so its kinda whatever

you can evisc between ruptures if you really feel like it though while gathering

[haughty mural]

Thanks for correcting me

[fathom adder]

what are those warchests i read about regarding pvp trinket for sub? are they really farmable?

[mortal bane]

So I received my four piece yesterday and it is not fun. It seems to stack slower in Dance. Your lucky if you get to 4 in the opener. I can usually go into second blades window with eight however there are one or two eviscerates between dances and always seems to drop there. Kind of a bummer.

[swift tinsel]

shouldn't have gaps between dances in blades

[mortal bane]

I get it but if I hit the second dance to early I dont have super charger usually for the second secret tech. Just does not seem to line up.

[molten citrus]

they spawn randomly in war mode in open word zones

[swift tinsel]

you don't symbols until sectech has 10 or less seconds on its cd

for 2nd sectech in blades

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[fathom adder]

thank you

its about the 1 min krit trinket that gives you main stat right?

[swift tinsel]

you chain dances, but don't chain symbols

[slender trail]

we macro badge of ferocity with Flag or Blades?

[molten citrus]

https://wago.io/w09Aw7HL4 use this wa

[molten citrus]

yes

[mortal bane]

Thanks let me look at what you wrote. Guess I have to change my rotation and possibly keybinds which is not always fun.

[fathom adder]

ty again

[slender trail]

was asking which one to macro it to lol

if it matters

[swift tinsel]

if the duration is 15-16 seconds, macro to blades

[molten citrus]

blades

[slender trail]

tyty

[full wyvern]

One arm bandit is the best fight in the raid. Shits so fun

[crystal bone]

^

do u hold ur cd window for the first coin buff or just rip it

[full wyvern]

I just rip it. Idk gave me a 97 parse last night and I fucked up a few times

[random hare]

fatest 1st boss ML dmg of all time

[paper iron]

YO

MCBAGUETTE

AHAAHA

tell kulling i love him

uwu

[random hare]

will do cuh

[empty cargo]

Normally how many ruptures do we want to spread

[paper iron]

he ll answer with a "who?"

[paper iron]

basically, as much as possible inbetween cds as long as mobs live long enough

[pulsar gate]

What about pre CD

do we only do the 2 ruptures before aoe burst?

[paper iron]

in 10's that what i do

[sage grail]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

If the mobs are stacked you usually send cds

[paper iron]

in 13- 14's i just spead a couple more

[hazy breach]

If theyre still getting grouped up keep rupturing

[full wyvern]

You guys don’t just stealth and follow the tank and wait for him to plant?

[swift tinsel]

Nope

Storm - rupture while they gather

then when he plants you send your cds

[regal harness]

Why not macro dance+symbols and sectec+cb? Its so comfortable to do

[hazy breach]

You can sit in stealth to stack your TFD, thats fine

[hazy breach]

Because theyre ideally not used at the same time always

[lilac stag]

Comfortably tanking your dps.

[regal harness]

Why?

[swift tinsel]

[fallen crescent]

I have cb macroed to st but i have two binds for st

[shadow lance]

Because?

[swift tinsel]

dance+symbols is icky

[shadow lance]

Just read guide

[swift tinsel]

bc you still need a regular dance and regular symbols bind

[shadow lance]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[regal harness]

Thats not an answer is it

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

[hazy breach]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[hazy breach]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

!yolo

[shadow lance]

Every answers in guides, rotation section

[haughty mural]

how long did 700 take for ya ?

was able to get some time off today and gonna start farming now

[lilac stag]

1-2 hours. I didn’t crate farm though. Just did rbgs

[haughty mural]

dang

[lilac stag]

since I enjoy them in small doses.

[haughty mural]

got no rbg group

[lilac stag]

random

[regal harness]

I know there are guides what you should do, but I was asking about the why. The wowhead guide says cb tec macro is a 1% loss and comfort vs more dps. 1% is not gonna "tank your dps" as someone said

[lilac stag]

Forgot rated still a thing

[paper iron]

used to be a time where i was tryharding rbgs, got hota / hoth multiples time

And now it s just dead

😔

only a thing to make monni

[haughty mural]

so they give conquest ^^ last time i really played pvp they did not iirc

[lilac stag]

Dance and symbols will chief

[swift tinsel]

I think the last time I did rated/organized pvp was cata lol

good times

[lilac stag]

but play how you want to

[paper iron]

rbg 1st win of the day gave an insane ammount of honor/conquest, alrady back in SL

[lilac stag]

I didn’t have enough pvp ilvl to Que for solo bgs

Was sad

[paper iron]

i had so much fun doing rbg in SL actually, in df it started to be shit, and now that we dont have duel anymore

i dont wanna enter that

i used to be the flag sitter that will take your flag randomely 1v3

but now 😒

deadgame

[lilac stag]

I miss tosssing out vendetta from stealth and watching someone wonder wtf is attacking & keeping them from capping

[regal harness]

Again, why? I do have it macroed and a separate bind for symbols. I mean, you should always symbols with dance anyway, right?

[pine stratus]

so... since I'm clearly bad, ima ask this... when it comes to m+, do you sit on shadowdance the pull pre-boss to make sure you get better dps or you actually spend it? Like, without cds im doing like 300k dps XD, but with them i do millions. Maybe i cant sub lol

[paper iron]

i was going in duo with a rdrood friend most of the time, and we were doing magic. Our RL hated us cuz we werent listenning shit, but how many games did we won cuz of ballzy move by us

capping 2v5 in arathi

[lilac stag]

Literally read the damn chat

Eleem posted the reason via the bot

Ffs reading is god damn impossible in here at times.

[paper iron]

i should still have some clip of some incredible cap / def.

[lilac stag]

Why? Because you’re not reading

or just macro shit and yolo

[frail swift]

what are people putting out overall in m+

ina 10+ key

[paper iron]

that s literally what sub is about. No cd u ll may even be behind healer, but in CDs u just catch up.

[pine stratus]

yea thats about it

just not sure if its worth overall to sit on cd on the pull before dungeon boss

or should i just spend it and whatever

[lilac stag]

depends how dangerous the pack is

Sub sucks a bit in pugs.

[pine stratus]

like, with CD on ST ill be at about 2.5 mil on dungeon bosses

[lilac stag]

You can try to monitor other Dps cds

[swift tinsel]

with some packs before bosses its better to send cd's and in some cases they'll be back up mid-boss

[lilac stag]

To see if you should send or save

[regal harness]

Ok its "not ideal", so unless you are super min maxing its not a "tanking your dps"

[pine stratus]

good call scAth

any addons you recommand for this?

[swift tinsel]

Omnicd

very good for seeing others' cooldowns

[pine stratus]

ah right

[lilac stag]

That macro will. You’re gonna miss finishers. Fuck up your cd stack and come back wondering why is my dps bad.

[swift tinsel]

can filter specific ones as well

[pine stratus]

are there profiles that i could import that are already setup?

im a bit of a nub

[swift tinsel]

i'm not sure if omnicd profiles are shareable

[full wyvern]

It does

[swift tinsel]

oh nice

[full wyvern]

I think Quazii has one somewhere

[swift tinsel]

Wago has some too under All

[hallow sigil]

Lads help me out

helm has socket and can catalyze into tier.

ring i only have normal version with leech

what do i pick ?

[regal harness]

Ok if you say so.

[lilac stag]

Helm. Free socket. You’ll get shoulders off first boss

Helm is way down the mythic boss list

[pine stratus]

awesome, thx

[oak grotto]

Is it fine to send 3-4cp Rupture if the target isnt gonna survive the duration of 6-7cp Rupture?

[hallow sigil]

its not shoulders its against a vers mastery ring from ToP

but yes helm is also a free socket

so one of the best rings in mythic or 2 vauts in one

[lilac stag]

Sim the variance of crafted ring vs that one

[glossy narwhal]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[cinder axle]

Anyone else got cd problems with transmitter atm?

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

M+ affix

[haughty mural]

you did no epics ?

[swift tinsel]

desynchs bc it's ability cdr but doesn't affect transmitter

[steel zinc]

Either Ring or Helm

[lilac stag]

Use PvP badge. Matches 1min flag

[uncut grove]

Finally free from transmitter

[hallow sigil]

that i know but which one 😄

[uncut grove]

Fuck yeah

[lilac stag]

60 crests you get a 675 ring. You’re not crafting a socketed helm but that’s me.

[vale pine]

you can always wait for your raid drops and decide your vault after that

[lilac stag]

they’re not getting a mythic helm from raid I’m gonna venture a guess

[steel zinc]

Both fine. More upgrade now is the headpiece

[swift tinsel]

Myth track helm + socket sounds juicy

[lilac stag]

unless lucky with bop

but we ain’t lucky here

[keen dome]

Yeah if I had a myth helm with a bonus socket i'd slam that shit ON MY HEAD

[swift tinsel]

hell yeah we're not

laughs with lfr charity tier chest

[hallow sigil]

i kinda wanna put it on my feet

[lilac stag]

I’ve got a 645 non tier. lol

[keen dome]

Did 5/8H in my lead pug today. Shockingly smooth until lockensprocket and then shockingly not

[swift tinsel]

if I didn't loot that I'd still be at 0pc bc our raid drops are actual AIDS

[keen dome]

Rik Reverb just melts on heroic this week, it's hilarious

[glass jasper]

Do we swap rotten for finality for fights with occational adds also or is it for pure ST only? (Is there even a pure ST fight this tier???)

[lilac stag]

I think we were like 90 seconds faster on kill time.

[lilac stag]

Rotten is for significant adds / m+

Finality should be better in most scenarios in raid

[glass jasper]

Alright so finality for pretty much all bosses in raid?

Aight, TY!

Is the difference between rotten and finality big?

[lilac stag]

Sim yourself. It varies

[hazy breach]

No, like 0.2 or 0.3%

Among the smallest differences there can be

[pure yacht]

Does nimble flurry benefit from find weakness being on the other targets

[hazy breach]

Yes, but its only +10% damage

So its not worth storming for, compared to just striking in dance

[glass jasper]

Very minmaxy indeed

[pure yacht]

10% damage is pretty massive isn't it? lol

so not worth to storm early in the dance for the gauranteed crit for FW?

[teal hemlock]

!fuu

[vale pine]

!fuu

guess the host has some problems

[limber aurora]

any hot vaults like mine?

[gilded garden]

Is there a updated Tier list for trinkets somewhere by chance?

[frail swift]

bloodmallet?

[vale pine]

simulations in the sheet should be up to date

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

^

[gilded garden]

Thanks

[placid elk]

do we bother with honey buzzer in any way ?

[haughty mural]

@lilac stag 2 hours seem short 😛

[vale pine]

guess they have a maintainance now

[frigid prawn]

!wa

!weakaura

[placid elk]

moroes is taking a break

[lilac stag]

It was BG week.

[vale pine]

the host has server maintaiannce, hope its back up soon

sry for the inconvinience

[twilit phoenix]

anyone have a link to hachadino's spreadsheet?

[fathom gazelle]

what did u craft as 2nd spark bois? neck?

[hazy breach]

Neck, bracers, boots, cloak

Whatever your weakest slot is

[full wyvern]

damn

[left ledge]

think i have a lil much mastery guys

[frail swift]

no such thing

(you should sim yourself)

[hybrid prism]

Damn girl I thought I had a lot at 101%

[left ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jguUgHUbgWGKZGSUpnmv6P

here you go

[hollow spear]

This still bothers me

[left ledge]

why

that's completely fine

that's a naked symbols

[hollow spear]

supercharging Rupture?

[left ledge]

well.... what else are you gonna use it on?

a naked evis?

[hollow spear]

I suppose

[twilit phoenix]

i wonder where sectech is on its cooldown at this point

[twilit phoenix]

someone in the sub tc chat was talking about like a .4% gain from a naked sod sectech

[left ledge]

it still supercharges the sectec

[hollow spear]

yeah that's alright

[twilit phoenix]

damn that's interesting

[hollow spear]

haha, all in on the coup proc

[left ledge]

i could be wrong but i believe this is because of the new tier as well

8 stacks of the tier + coup and your cds coming up soon

you dont want to coup and lose your stacks

[hollow spear]

nah, tier stacks get reset by bp

[left ledge]

yeah but the sim is a gigachad

and doesnt lose stacks

for whatever reason

[hazy breach]

Its only 15%

[left ledge]

in real gameplay

im at 8 stacks

flag is 15 sec away

one bp or evis is a guarantee to drop them

[hollow spear]

I swear the sim chooses the best possible scenario out of it's like 10k iterations

to make us feel bad

[left ledge]

i mean statistically

with a 15% chance

that would be the correct play

[hollow spear]

yeah, 3 finishers are a 60% to keep

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately were all a bit statistically challenged and get upset when we lose the 15% even though we know how probabilities work

[paper iron]

that s why on outlaw the sims always show a perfect crackshot open

makes sens

[left ledge]

i was taught this during sophic devotion days

im just not chosen by the stats

[hazy breach]

That rppm so thats got some hidden holy math behind it

This is just rawdog 85% with no nonsense attached

[paper iron]

fk sophic for real shit procced only outside of cds 24/7 i cant remember a single deathmark with it active 😠

[fallow glade]

real gamblers never bp

[hollow spear]

This is how I feel when I get lucky

[left ledge]

my guild and raw % not good mix

[hazy breach]

I mean our set is designed to feel bad when you get unlucky, rahter than good when you get lucky

Some classes like deva have the opposite

[hollow spear]

I had a scenario where it went 1 - drop - 1 - drop - 2 drop

was an alt f4 angle

[left ledge]

i mean the set is fine i guess im pretty unlucky and i dont mind it too much

im just sad they nerfed it still lol

[jaunty heath]

Bro playing my priest alt made me realize how fun some of these sets are compared to ours

[hollow spear]

logs would have been completely whack with the unnerfed set

[left ledge]

there's some clearly insane specs rn, dont know why it got nerfed that much

[jaunty heath]

Wtf do you mean I still have 15 seconds of pi after my cds

[hollow spear]

a spread of like 30% haha

[hazy breach]

Not really

Because if its strong enough we just dont gamble

[hollow spear]

it still feels like sometimes you get giga lucky or giga unlucky

[hazy breach]

But ye its really strange how they havent done any tuning yet

[hollow spear]

especially in your opener

[lucid jackal]

well I mean

this is the first non rwf week

It'd be insane if they did balance on this reset, no?

[hazy breach]

Ye and they usually balance before mythic is even released

[hollow spear]

yeah, we didnt have heroic week balancing

[lucid jackal]

well sure, but what was the balance patch in nerubar palace

They nerfed OUTLAW ROGUE

[paper iron]

OUTLAW ROGUE TOO STRONG IN HEROIC WEEK

😠

[hollow spear]

rightfully so :^)

[lucid jackal]

and they didn't nerf fury/FDK enough to stop them from being a 5 of combined in raid kwim

[twilit phoenix]

outlaw one of the top performers in that wowhead post

outlaw nerfs surely

[paper iron]

that s why even after ww / fire nerfs, they ll still be rank 1 and 2

[lucid jackal]

I dont think heroic week balance is just inherenelty good, or solves imbalances that much anyway

[hollow spear]

well, WW is just giga busted for sure

[left ledge]

i mean, im for buffing the weaker specs rather than nerfing the top specs

[lucid jackal]

So not what heroic week does

[twilit phoenix]

i just cleave off of gally in heroic

[lucid jackal]

WW is good but its so overrated

WW has 1 good tier and ppl act like its literal jesus

[hollow spear]

well, right now it is

[lucid jackal]

U nerf ww by even 5% and u just swap 3 WWs with 3 warriors

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately i dont think sub is in the weaker specs bin so if they go that route its probably and time to swap to assa if it gets buffed

[lucid jackal]

Warrior is like, BARELY BARELY worse than WW st

and War has rally

[left ledge]

yeah i mean

im simming lower than week 0 warrior

[lucid jackal]

Who cares about sims

sims aren't the game

[twilit phoenix]

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw best simming rogue spec guys login

[hollow spear]

we've reached the point ingame

[left ledge]

they're a decent indication of ST capabilities

[hollow spear]

where that point doesnt stand anymore tho

yes, sims aren't real life

[twilit phoenix]

if it's another assa tier I'm gonna crash out

FUCK assa bro I hate that spec so much it's unreal

[lucid jackal]

Why didnt they bring unholy to RWF then, or Outlaw?

[tepid trellis]

press KS on locken

[left ledge]

you mentioned ST

and the raid isnt purely ST

[wild hornet]

Sounds like a challenge

[left ledge]

confused by what that has to do with anything

[lucid jackal]

Why did they bring WW to raid?

[left ledge]

there's more important things than raw damage too

[hollow spear]

dk has pull, that's it

[left ledge]

because WW has an overloaded kit AND does great damage in both ST, cleave and aoe

[hollow spear]

and you don't need it

[left ledge]

feel like its a nobrainer idk

[wild hornet]

Yeah thats why they brought copies

[left ledge]

why did they bring a ton of boomkins and spriests

[twilit phoenix]

if you wanna use "both" but then list 3 items, you can just say "throth"

[lucid jackal]

Their guild is also filled with very good windwalker players

[left ledge]

because of the spread cleave/aoe

[hollow spear]

since when is WW a ST spec btw?

[left ledge]

since this tier

[hollow spear]

they are good at cleave too

afaik

[lucid jackal]

Theres a reason liquid played as many WWs as they could fit, and method didn't

Liquid has a better roster of WW players

[left ledge]

well yeah sure comfort over "Best spec"

[hazy breach]

Its because liquid trusted the sims that showed WW being good

[twilit phoenix]

i don't know all the info, but I'm certain you're wrong guy

[hazy breach]

(this is sarcasm btw)

[left ledge]

but im not sure why any of this takes away from sims being a good indicator of ST potential

[left ledge]

yeah WW is up there

so is war

[lucid jackal]

Yeah where is MM

Where is outlaw

[left ledge]

im completely ignoring hunter because fuck their community and their sims

[lucid jackal]

Where is shadow?

[lucid jackal]

Where is feral?

[solemn lance]

are skirmishes the fastest way to get conquest

[hollow spear]

we're still like 15 ilvls off the sim tho

[left ledge]

i mean yeah ofc

comparing BIS sims to current logs isnt the greatest

[lucid jackal]

So outlaw goes from mid to top 3 when it gets more gear u think?

[left ledge]

maybe if you high roll

[crystal bone]

sims dont account for so many things, like damage amps

[left ledge]

dont think there's any amps on sprocket

[lucid jackal]

Where are the damage amps on sprocket?

[crystal bone]

i was referring to your earlier post

[faint bay]

higuys, would you take the trinket?

[crystal bone]

when u said sims dont matter

[paper iron]

like bosses that actually matter, not vexxie even if she s a cutie

[faint bay]

or myth chest or myth head

[paper iron]

[molten citrus]

do 1 win of each unrated bracket for the bonus conquest, then farm crates in war mode

[lucid jackal]

correct, sims don't matter

Sims are useful for like, 2 things

Finding gear upgrades

and finding rotational upgrades

sims are not useful for finding the best spec

Never has, never will

[twilit phoenix]

I took a heroic hoc from my chest

It’s way easier to use than transmitter

[paper iron]

this is such a missconception people have, sims are great to compare the 2 same profile of the same spec, in 99% cases

[faint bay]

but is it worth to get this over a myth item?

[paper iron]

if sims were classwide meaningfull, outlaw would ve been the best rogue spec every seasons

[hollow spear]

not sure what youre trying to prove with the outlaw point tho

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw sims the highest

[hollow spear]

outlaw sims have always been pepega

[lucid jackal]

Doesnt perform the highest

[tidal python]

Humans are just too limited to play outlaw properly guys

[hollow spear]

never has

[lucid jackal]

What do u mean the sims are "pepega"

[tidal python]

Trust the sims

[lucid jackal]

Is this how we move the goalposts?

[left ledge]

i mean again it literally just all has to do with what the fights require

[hollow spear]

No, the goalpost has never been there

[lucid jackal]

"well sims tell you the best st, especially after you ignore all the things that disagree with them"

[left ledge]

but i dont think comparing two 1:30 specs in pure ST through sims is really that big of a sin lmao

[hollow spear]

If Outlaw loses an iota of uptime

it's screwed

[lilac stag]

You’re not replacing that with anything besides a mythic HoC

[lucid jackal]

But a rank 1 log is going to have 0 downtime

So its not an argument

[faint bay]

ohh alright so its the go

thank you

[hollow spear]

don't know, I see a lot of outlaws on the sprocket heroic leaderboard

considering it has a playerbase of 3

[ornate lake]

[lilac stag]

nah all the other outlaws vanished from sub channel or did you not notice that?

[modest delta]

The data came out showing outlaw as 3rd best raid spec

For dps

[lucid jackal]

This is the first one

And hes getting PI

[left ledge]

OKAY

lets be real

PI is not doing shit there

[modest delta]

But idk, could also not be super accurate because maybbe less people know how to play sub as good?

[hollow spear]

I am talking about heroic

[lucid jackal]

PI does something for the new build

[left ledge]

that is heroic

[lucid jackal]

Its not the best PI target but its aight

I am also talking about heroic

there aren't logs of mythic sprocket

Theres like 10 guilds that kills it

[lucid jackal]

..?

[hollow spear]

you were talking about how it is the strongest rogue spec

[modest delta]

Heroic doesnt matter tho

[hollow spear]

and I filtered by rogue

[modest delta]

Put mythic

[lucid jackal]

Buddy

[left ledge]

that boss doesnt have mythic logs really...

[jaunty umbra]

bro this is 2nd week (oops wrong reply)

[lucid jackal]

Lets pull up the mythic sprocket logs

[tidal python]

Heroic logs are much more representative of real performance at this stage of the tier honestly

[lucid jackal]

But sims say that outlaw does as much as fury/arms/ww

[tidal python]

Not enough mythic logs

[hollow spear]

Sub clearly best rogue specs based on mythic

[modest delta]

They arent public yetv

?

[lucid jackal]

How many guilds do u think have killed sprocket

[modest delta]

Idk we are on sprocket

[lilac stag]

Outlaw is simming 2.9-3.1?

[left ledge]

yeah everyone is on sprocket

[hollow spear]

!fuu

[left ledge]

thats the point

[modest delta]

It hasnt been too bad, but i dont look at boss logs much

why are you guys so ANGRY this morning

Calm down

[lucid jackal]

Whos angry?

[tidal python]

Here guys, have fun

[hollow spear]

Outlaw sims 2.68 mio

[lilac stag]

yeah real close to WW or Warrior

[short aurora]

!up

!upgrade

[faint bay]

whats best raid embelishment combo?

[short aurora]

!upgrades

[modest delta]

and this is up to whats public for myth

[lucid jackal]

ITs the 5th highest simming spec

But its notwhere close on actual logs

Which is my entire point

[bleak night]

just means outlaw players all suck

[lilac stag]

200k is close. Noted.

[bleak night]

[left ledge]

ye but those are bis sims

[hollow spear]

I am giving up

[left ledge]

mr first outlaw on heroic sprocket probably doesnt even sim 2.3

yet did over 2.3

[paper iron]

Bel i m gonna find u and i m gonna feed u really nice cookie until u dislike them and i ll say goodbye 😠

[jaunty umbra]

he absolutely does sim

[left ledge]

dont think there's any point in comparing bis sims to logs rn

[bleak night]

[hollow spear]

don't trust the sims, warrior and windwalker arent actually big outliers

[lucid jackal]

Ur the one that said ST sims are close to accurate

[left ledge]

yes

are we in bis gear?

also i said they're a good indicator

sprocket is a nice boss to look at because it has no amps

now go find me how close these outlaw rogues are to that bis sim

[hollow spear]

you just have to check your wowaudit and see how much dps warriors and windwalkers gain per item

compared to other specs

[modest delta]

[hollow spear]

dunno, maybe that's also sims being incomparable

[lilac stag]

Rogue was mid sim in ptr and here we are mid in raid. Outlaw got some tweaking and is shockingly the best of the 3 mid specs for rogue.

[left ledge]

oop

wonder why he's not matching the WWs simming 2.5 and 2.6 already

[modest delta]

gottem

[left ledge]

obv sims arent a blind pick this spec

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. Sub burst will be useful.

[left ledge]

but there's absolutely nothing wrong with soft comparisons of lets say two 1:30 specs in ST sims

[crystal bone]

u think 15 ilvls worth of gear is 500k dps?

[hollow spear]

I am not even dooming about sub, I am quite fine with where we're at rn

[left ledge]

if its not then your sims are wrong?

like wtf does that even mean

LMAO

[hollow spear]

it's just that I heavily disagree with this sim point

[lilac stag]

which one? I missed that

[left ledge]

yes if he gets bis gear and doesnt match the bis sim

then something is wrong

[patent lichen]

This is so circular I'm dizzy

[hollow spear]

[crystal bone]

isnt law famous for oversimming though

[paper iron]

i wouldnt say oversiming

[left ledge]

idc what its famous for ngl

[paper iron]

it just has variance

[left ledge]

for comparison this is the first ww on sprocket heroic

[forest moss]

!bs

[clever delta]

Guys is sub still fine ?

[paper iron]

and sims go with 100% uptime perfect gcd

[clever delta]

Or cope run outb

[left ledge]

yes sub is beyond fine

[forest moss]

!sd

[sterile vessel]

Sub bis

[paper iron]

we re all going ret rn

[clever delta]

Cool

[hollow spear]

yes

[paper iron]

whatcha looking for?

!bs

[hollow spear]

Ret

[paper iron]

Where is moroes

😠

[hollow spear]

I think the bot is deadge

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[forest moss]

the backstab shadow dance macro

[paper iron]

i ll give u that

#Showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

[forest moss]

ty

[paper iron]

since moroes is already rerolling ret also 😠

[swift tinsel]

RIP Dave

We’re so dead

[tidal python]

RWF raiders probably wouldn't have played outlaw anyway due to how much more attention you have to pour into it compared to sub/assa

[swift tinsel]

No point in sub

[tidal python]

They need to stay alive and do boss mechanics first

[swift tinsel]

Rabblerabblerabble

[hollow spear]

unsubbed

[lilac stag]

ask exile if we’re fine

[lucid jackal]

Sorry I can't have an opinion until a top player has told me what to think

[patent lichen]

Why didn't they stack sub rogue reeeeee we are dead

[swift tinsel]

But…but..green name

[paper iron]

but why is jpc not using branch on smolderon? is it because it s a bad trinket? He said it was too dangerous to prog with

whispyr ptsd

[swift tinsel]

JPC stream when

[jaunty umbra]

jpcrusader Aware

[lilac stag]

I said we were mid from the first sims.

This entire channel said don’t worry burst useful.

rogue is just mid. Call it fine or good or whatever you little heart desires. Sebek stated it best. Rogue is just cosmetic.

[paper iron]

meanwhile the only reason was "he didnt drop it cuz it s a random loot in m+"

[lucid jackal]

Still a 1 of on every fight

[lilac stag]

so why is Stealthi benched?

He bad?

[paper iron]

imagine rwf killingspree edition

actually

would be fun to watch

[lilac stag]

That would be amazing

perfecto really woulda looked cooked

[lucid jackal]

What fight is stealthi benched on?

[hollow spear]

I think he only benchwarmed on Stix

half self-bench

[lucid jackal]

So the fight where most rogues get benched?

because it drops no loot and rogue isn't that useful on it?

[lilac stag]

Weird

[short aurora]

[sly shore]

rogue does good boss damage on stix tbh

absolutely slams it in fact

[lilac stag]

[sly shore]

and good cleave

[lucid jackal]

I forgot you have beef with me so I have to be extremely specific in everything I say

Otherwise you get really ass pained

[fierce cedar]

wait you dont even change talents between aoe and st??

[lilac stag]

You said every fight. Clearly not. Good talk.

[paper iron]

oh

lets check boss damage of rogue

[lucid jackal]

Let me rephrase my statement to be really specific

because social queues and norms seem a bit lost on you

Despite rogues damage being kinda mid, and us being in another tier where rogues burst profile doesn't end up being that useful, in a majority of the raid rogue still manages to see play as a 1 of.

A lot of guilds have elected to sit rogue on stix due to lack of loot and not being a class that helps with cleave damage better, like a WW, or balance, or shadow, or fire.

Atrophic poison still manages to be a very strong tool, even if some people overrate/underrate it tier by tier.

Is that better?

[lilac stag]

[lucid jackal]

try taking the stick out your ass

[short aurora]

don't take the

[crystal bone]

i said that exact same thing when i first met him

[ornate lake]

What if they like a stick in their ass

Especially if it's thorny

[twilit phoenix]

that's not an issue for RWF players

[cinder axle]

Would you guys craft Neck, Shoes, or hands?

[paper iron]

i would raidbot!

(probably neck)

[short aurora]

That sounds like a good idea!

[swift tinsel]

Neck imo

[twilit phoenix]

"social queues"

bone apple tea type shit

[swift tinsel]

You’re 30+ ilvl behind your other slots there

[lucid jackal]

[analog grove]

what piece u guys suggest me to do 2nd craft?

[cinder axle]

yeah but neck has no agi thats why i am considering^^

[twilit phoenix]

really good write-up though

[keen dome]

Missed out our fantastic fashion sense which brings style to the raid

[short aurora]

dont look trinket

[lucid jackal]

I mean scath should know this

But he really enjoys being a fan and responding in the dumbest way possible to anything I say

[swift tinsel]

Sim the diff then

[hollow spear]

We should just ask Grok imo

[icy mulch]

It was really good at nuking all the adds once they walked in

[twilit phoenix]

let's ask lashga (AKA greatest sub player of all time)

[hollow spear]

wasn't he back earlier?

[twilit phoenix]

yeah the king returns

[lucid jackal]

are the timers just good for sub on that fight

or do u have to hold and it lines up type shit

[icy mulch]

Negative damage above 80% but still top 3 to bombshells in details

[lilac stag]

I’m not going to make assumptions of what people say in text. I already know where my sarcasm lands or doesn’t via text messages, especially in a multilingual chat. Not gonna play read guys mind if he’s serious or not on 1 every fight.

[icy mulch]

Send on pull and then send cds after each sorting

[hollow spear]

(hoping we forgot about the stunt he pulled last season)

[icy mulch]

I was just keeping dance and symbols for when things stacked up in between cds

[lucid jackal]

Seeing play on every fight except 1 is more than what DPS dk can say

[icy mulch]

You may lose a cast doing this I think but you also don’t have any risk of being in cds when sorting goes out and being picked

[cinder axle]

y but neck is nice cause there is no neck with good stats this season

[twilit phoenix]

pvp neck is good

658 heavy vers/mast

[icy mulch]

You fiends have me doing daily bg wins to replace my transmitter

[twilit phoenix]

just join a crate farming group

[jaunty heath]

How do you still not have HoC smh

[twilit phoenix]

legit afk 1k conq in like an hour

[swift tinsel]

So craft neck then like I suggested initially

[icy mulch]

The first ones went to people with big sim increases

[lilac stag]

or at least the pvp trinket

[icy mulch]

Now they stopped dropping

[twilit phoenix]

clueluess raid leads

[icy mulch]

I told them it was gonna be funny when my transmitter orb wandered to the other polarity

Empty trinket slot fr

[hollow spear]

just run into them

[icy mulch]

that’s what cloak is for

[spark crystal]

do we need to track 4p bonus with a wa ?

[twilit phoenix]

no

[hollow spear]

show them why they should give you hoc next

by inting

[icy mulch]

I showed them this lmao

[twilit phoenix]

yeah

mess up mechanics that have nothing to do with transmitter

and blame it on transmitter

[icy mulch]

[twilit phoenix]

"if I had hoc, this wouldn't have happened"

blackmail fr fr

[lucid jackal]

I didn't realize that the magnet pull on sprocket would literally launch you if you jumped

-1 pull

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[swift tinsel]

Huehuehue

[jaunty heath]

I legit just said I have no other trinket to farm in keys that would replace my transmitter I want that

And I got it

Tbf I’m topping

Which is not a good sign for the guild jut

It is what it is

[twilit phoenix]

you're a top?

[icy mulch]

I think it was like 60k to an enhance shaman or something

[jaunty heath]

Bro had some crazy bad trinkets before than

[twilit phoenix]

pvp trinket is honestly the move if you only have a hero track transmitter

[lilac stag]

We had 3 drop. Priority went to specs with no other good options. WW, Sub & Disc

[jaunty heath]

This is also why going by increase is dogshit

[swift tinsel]

So glad we don’t do that

[jaunty heath]

Oh yeah this guy has adventurer sigil of the Algari from heroic dungeons

[icy mulch]

Big downside to having season 1 trinkets when we got to OAB since nobody had enough time to farm m+ on week 1

[jaunty heath]

Hurr durr 100k Upgrade

[swift tinsel]

The only thing we do is allocate tier based on who doesn’t have it, rest is soft reserves

[jaunty heath]

Or what I also like is

„Omg it’s 40k for me“

[spark plinth]

Worth to craft kickers as sub?

[jaunty heath]

• 2min spec prioriy is like 5k behind in Sims

[icy mulch]

[twilit phoenix]

yeah boots are a good craft slot, but sim yourself

the bis boots this tier are a boe

so crafting is totally reasonable

[spark plinth]

Got stabber but yeah i see the boe

I wonder if i buy it

Or craft

Kekw

[twilit phoenix]

unless you're giga omega rich, i'd just craft for now

and wait for the mythic boes to come down in price

(once they're available)

[spark plinth]

Don't you think it's bad atm to craft them if i'm gonna replace them soon?

[jaunty heath]

Btw is there an eta when they are sellable

My pirate guildie @white briar fucking dropped them first try

Not even tradable nothing

[lilac stag]

You could do neck or ring if you wanted longer term

[twilit phoenix]

i mean, you're not gonna replace them anytime soon

[lusty narwhal]

!wa

[twilit phoenix]

no other vers/mast in the game

and there are other good options for the other crafted slots

pvp neck, bracers, and gloves

you do you king

[lusty narwhal]

!weakaura

[steel zinc]

Why dont we use vanish anymore in our opener?

[hazy breach]

Because its simpler not to

And there was no difference in sims

[viral phoenix]

GG no snd for 3 seconds

[lusty narwhal]

the bot is dead 👍

[ember mural]

!up

[oak grotto]

If I send SecTech with Supercharger, is it fine to send the other charge on Rupture?

Or should the other charge of Super be sent to Eviscerate at all time

[lucid jackal]

Only outside of dance

[oak grotto]

So if I am inside dance, always Eviscerate?

[lucid jackal]

yer

[hazy breach]

Never rupture in dance

[oak grotto]

And if Outside of dance, I can send on Rupture if needed

Is it fine to send 3-4cp Rupture if the target isnt gonna survive the duration of 6-7cp Rupture?

[steel zinc]

but its not a dps loss to do it right?

[wild hornet]

blizzard knew about my 619 head pieCe

[swift tinsel]

Nope, effectively even

[tepid trellis]

JUMP 3 TIMES

YEEET

[keen dome]

lmao, lag is so bad in uNdermine that my SecTec guys broke

Just hanging out with me

[bleak night]

Lmao

Recently ive has a couple times where sprint gets stuck at 0s left despite me being able to otherwise do everything normally

So was just perma sprinting around undermine

[keen dome]

haha

[warped zodiac]

whats max ilevel u can upgrade the badge pvp trinket to? so i can sim it to other trinks

652...?

[signal cobalt]

658

[warped zodiac]

thank u

i only have a heroic transmitter so im trying to get rid of this stupid thing lol

might replace it anyways. i hate jumping 3 times or trying to find a little purple orb in a swamp of 30 mobs

[jaunty heath]

Bro it’s 400 dps

Out of 2 million

[warped zodiac]

LOL

[jaunty heath]

You’d be stupid to keep playing transmitter

[twilit phoenix]

this just shows you that pvp trinket is a sidegrade

and technically probably an upgrade

considering that its easy to whiff transmitter or play it suboptimally

[swift tinsel]

that's well within margin of error

go for it

[twilit phoenix]

plus pvp trinket is kinda better this week

with the affix

[tepid trellis]

imagine pvp trinket not being a 100k dps decrease

[lilac stag]

do you enjoy your sanity?

plus it will be a bigger upgrade for mythic HoC