#subtlety

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wicked joltBOT
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
rough jewel
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whats macro for avoid using two symbitos?

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if spamming

keen dome
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!sod

wicked joltBOT
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

keen dome
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This one.

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Gallywix has a lot of HP on heroic 😨

native zodiac
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gally hc is honestly easier then mugzee from my experience

keen dome
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That's my gut feeling, honestly

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I feel like if we hit P3 he's gonna die

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The heroic changes, outside the healing one,s eem pretty whatever

grand galleon
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why it is not recommended to macor SD+symbols? even if you fire it back in big CDs due to shadow dance, symbols have pandemic for those remaining 2 seconds

keen dome
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You can't consistently fit an anima-charged SecTec into your burst if you have them macro'd, as you'd have to sit either and delay or spend it on something else, as it won't be off cooldown during the second dance window. And you want to go back-to-back.

native zodiac
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supercharger is a big problem is you macro dance and symbols together

keen dome
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You want the control to always gurantee the supercharged combies are available to SecTec

proven plover
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can someone tell me, if the bot uses alchemical chaos flask, do the iterations always start with the same boosted stat, or does it rotate?

lilac stag
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you can see it in the report

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most of us swap to vers

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Or in some cases mastery

grand galleon
keen dome
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So you are delaying your Dance window and SecTec won't be in your trinket and potentially not blades, etc.

grand galleon
grave delta
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
keen dome
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I recommend it. I was doing the same until this tier and it is much better to demacro them and do it 'properly'

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It's a pretty decent damage gain, and you simply end up with a lot more control.

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Also, this is relatively minor but: you risk dropping tier by having the undance'd Evis between the two windows.

grand galleon
keen dome
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Haha, my setup is pretty weird but I can show it, one second.

rough jewel
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dance first then symbol?

keen dome
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I play with my right-hand on the keyboard, so my thumb rests on ctrl. Hence why some of these binds might look very weird.

hollow spear
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Does anyone have a screenshot of JPC's keybinds?

grand galleon
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how do you turn camera ? 🧐

hollow spear
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These are goated

keen dome
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With my left hand

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And via A and D. Q and E are for strafe. dracthyr_kek

hollow spear
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Can you trade Conquest for Honor somewhere? 😄

keen dome
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Sadly not

hollow spear
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2.5k honor to go and I am slowly losing my mind

keen dome
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Hotmogu is a good one to grind in

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Lots and lots of honour

lilac stag
keen dome
keen dome
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Incredible GallywixH pull. Tank hadn't even done normal, and the raid lead managed to fall down the hole almost immediately on pull.

lilac stag
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remove tornado from bars and it’ll go better

keen dome
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But I want the comedy. That's half the fun of pugging.

rough jewel
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trying to find info about shadow dance and symbol, when exactly to use if not marcoed

hollow spear
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!cds

wicked joltBOT
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Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

hollow spear
rough jewel
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looks like macro no?

covert crane
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Looks like, but it isn't.

hollow spear
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Learning to press buttons individually is best for the long run

rough jewel
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yes sure

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but when to use which? dance first then wait how long for symbol?

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im confused, sorry

sly shore
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you press them

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in quick succession

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with your hands

rough jewel
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ok

hollow spear
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you use them together very often

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but not always

rough jewel
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yea when not to?

hollow spear
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and in the case where you don't, a macro will completely int your damage

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the 2nd time you use them during flagellation for example

rough jewel
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then dance first before symbol?

hollow spear
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usually, yes

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you dance back to back

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and you symbol to supercharge your sectec

rough jewel
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thanks

sly shore
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for example

grand galleon
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how big of a dps diff is using backstab instead of shadowstrike after sd and symbols?

hollow spear
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0.5%

keen dome
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Not an optimisation to worry about until you are comfortable with everything else, imho.

sly shore
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I been far too lazy to do it rn

hollow spear
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yeah, if you are not playing perfectly

keen dome
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same

sly shore
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I'd have to sit on a dummy for 30 mins to rebuild it

vale pine
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its even less if you don't have the new 4p

keen dome
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I have it setup but I either forget or don't care

sly shore
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into my memory

hollow spear
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cleaning up your other button presses is more important

sly shore
hollow spear
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I still wake up drenched at night and think about the parses where I didn't press backstab, dw

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and mumble: "It would have been orange, for sure..."

tribal blade
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he's back at it

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the man, the myth

sly shore
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that clip is getting about, unsurprisingly

keen dome
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haha

vale pine
tribal blade
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wouldn't be a real tier without gromnak raging over a boss' mechanics

keen dome
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I need to figure out a way to make my pug groups put on the katamari theme during that boss

hallow sigil
# hollow spear cleaning up your other button presses is more important

I did this quite well especially with overusing CDs and wasting procs, I even started backstabbing after dance. My main issue now is trying to play manual cd. Question here is do you ONLY send it with the 2nd sectec of blades window or do you send it with anything as soon as it's off cd as well?

hallow sigil
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Also I sometimes troll by pressing it without having CP and so waste CB on strike crydge

slate lantern
keen dome
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no

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WASD

hollow spear
keen dome
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I have another hand!!

tribal blade
slate lantern
keen dome
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I wish

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The shit I'd get done if I had three hands.

sly shore
vale pine
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!sheet

wicked joltBOT
keen dome
sly shore
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I'm getting socket surely

keen dome
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My vault is fat with strength. I am excited for it to be trash.

sly shore
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we didn't kill 4th boss so I get 2x hc vaults

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which is probably a good thing anyway

keen dome
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big HoC for you

simple inlet
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what gems do we socket for focusing lens?

hollow spear
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I feel like doing only 1/8M as Sub

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is inting your vault

keen dome
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It won't impact your vault though?

sly shore
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not really cos you need 2 bosses

hollow spear
hollow spear
keen dome
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no

sly shore
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no it doesn't

hollow spear
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wait what

sly shore
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it requires 2 bosses

keen dome
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You need two kills

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2/4/6

sly shore
keen dome
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If it was like that I'd be ramming myself into the mythic raid this second

hollow spear
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you're right

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I've been living a lie

keen dome
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But Vexie does drop decent loot (shoulder to cat, cloak to cat) so maybe

rocky totem
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You have a high chance of hitting mythic tier piece in vault if you only kill 2 bosses anyway, since you don’t need to kill the boss that drops the token to get it in vault

hollow spear
sly shore
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that eye roll is unbeaten ngl

keen dome
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It's very good

sly shore
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I love that stix drops leather legs and also has the legs token, isn't that great gear planning from blizzard

keen dome
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Haha

hollow spear
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had that happen on hc this week

keen dome
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Those legs got me 4p, at least

hollow spear
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we get another catalyst this reset, right?

sly shore
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yeah

keen dome
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Yeee

hollow spear
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mythic track legs on the menu, boys and girls

sly shore
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not the pantaloons bruh

vital flax
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Just to make sure i get this right its pretty much always SB+FLag 2xDance 2xSoD then dance+symbols then dance+symbols then u get cds back so its SB+FLag 2xDance 2xSoD again

keen dome
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Correct. Always two in our burst window (I.e., Blades + Flag)

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Then two after. Then two in. Then one after. Then two in. etc

rocky totem
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Minor optimisations but generally yes that is fine

hollow spear
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Finality sims slighty better for me on patchwerk than The Rotten

hazy breach
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Yep

vital flax
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instead of 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 and repeat

hollow spear
rocky totem
# vital flax like what?

Fitting in symbols + sectec without dance between first and 2nd CDs, and a sectec without either between 2nd and 3rd

dreamy badger
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you do cds > 2 dances between > cds > 1 dance and you can do no dance sectech with sod > cds and so on

hollow spear
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yeah, 2 dances in between only work if you have multiple adds to storm on between cds

hallow sigil
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Just a case of getting used to manually pressing the button after relying on the macro

vital flax
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i know at one point it was worth it to bp instead of evis outside of dance if you had coup de grace up. is that still a thing?

dreamy badger
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if you are right before your cds, yes

hollow spear
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might as well Rupture then

dreamy badger
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or that

sly shore
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is that actually still a thing

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didn't think that was worth it anymore

plush roost
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Btw what is the sequencing supposed to be if we are holding coup like that? Flag, coup, dance? Flag, rupture, dance, strike, coup? Dance, sec tec, coup?

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I get its for flawless stacks but when do we want those stacks applied

tribal blade
sly shore
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damn 2 whole casts

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yeah I ain't do all that thanks

autumn flame
tribal blade
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just for insurance to get sectec back faster

sly shore
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you use it after sectech if no fazed

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before sectech if fazed up

hallow sigil
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Can you send it right after flag without shadow blades tho? If fazed up

sly shore
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if ur going into 1.5 min cd's you always sectech first

hallow sigil
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And then dance stab sec

stable viper
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!wa

wicked joltBOT
hallow sigil
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Insert sod between dance and sectec

tribal blade
plush roost
hallow sigil
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Fair fair. Another mistake caught on camera monkagasp

plush roost
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Okay thats what I was doing glad to see i wasnt inting LOL

stable viper
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!bs

wicked joltBOT
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

rain kernel
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i need to use backstab as 1st builder in sdance for danse macabre stack...sometimes it doesn't add the find weakness effect...does that matter on stech? or does stech benefits from find weakness apart from the obvious that i ignore armor...talking about the extra shadow dmg u gain from find weakness..cause this happens alot in m+ where i get into dance n symb window and dont have Find weakness on the target

tulip gorge
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pretty sure you don't need to backstab in dance

twilit phoenix
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It’s like a .4 or .5 % optimization now

tribal blade
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0.5% yeah

twilit phoenix
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Stab in dance is BACK baby

random hare
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U will always have find weakness

tribal blade
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even if you don't have FW up on the target i don't think it truly matters for sectec's dmg because the initial phy hit isn't very strong

random hare
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Also find weakness does nothing

void hound
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how much of a dps loss is macroing CB into sectec?

tribal blade
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it's the clones hit that does dmg

random hare
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If u mean 1 keybind only

void hound
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whats the %

random hare
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Idk

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Fuu only labeled it as small didnt see the sim

random hare
tulip gorge
tribal blade
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it's not so bad since if you played back when it was a thing during DF

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the muscle memory will still be there

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just need to practice a bit and it'll come back quick

tulip gorge
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I didn't LOLW

tribal blade
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damn

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well it's still not so bad 😉

tulip gorge
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I assume you don't macro it to shadow dance or something

tribal blade
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there is a macro you can use

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but honestly i just press dance, then press stab

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i'm trying to not rely as heavily on macros anymore

tulip gorge
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is there anywhere I can read about this new tech

tribal blade
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!bs

wicked joltBOT
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

tepid trellis
tulip gorge
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do you press shadow dance when at full combo points (since backstab doesn't generate that many)?

tepid trellis
void hound
tulip gorge
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wait premed doesn't work with shadow dance, does it?

hollow spear
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I think macroing CB is more than a 1% damage loss

tepid trellis
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yes it does

void hound
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so either 0 cp -> dance -> backstab - finisher
or
6+ cp -> dance -> finisher -> backstab

hollow spear
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because the second you misalign it and you're out of flag

tulip gorge
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well that makes it easier

hollow spear
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you are cooked

tulip gorge
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do you do this for aoe too?

rain kernel
tribal blade
tulip gorge
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guess I will have to practice this on dummies next time I login

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thanks for the info

random hare
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It’s 10 seconds with supercharger

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Besides most sectec’s dmg is shadow

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So tracking find weakness is cursed

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Don’t do that

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Just play ur rotation well and that’s it

rain kernel
random hare
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Np

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It’s like saying u have to track shadow techniques stacks that’s also unnecessary

swift tinsel
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Not necessarily, if you want it to be proactive vs reactive to resets

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You can know 99% of the time if you’re going to get a reset by tracking it

lofty saffron
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Why doesn't the opener include evis for snd anymore? I see rupture then straight into sectech

lilac stag
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It’s not a dps gain

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New opener is faster and easier

haughty mural
solemn creek
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On fuu guide?

hazy breach
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Literally just skip the eviscerate and vanish

lilac stag
solemn creek
void ocean
hazy breach
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It also doesnt really matter

solemn creek
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It does in m+ 🤣

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Mobs dies too fast

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Need to pad

tribal blade
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you want to hold vanish for other stuff in M+

civic forge
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do higher keys ezpz

full pollen
hazy breach
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Its just simpler to skip it, theres no difference really

full pollen
tribal blade
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vanish is a very strong defensive button if used right

solemn creek
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Meh. Not bothering more then 11 for now

civic forge
crystal bone
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how do we get that backstab in during dance, just put backstab not on stealth bar?

civic forge
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!bs

wicked joltBOT
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

swift tinsel
random hare
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Ah

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Useless

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I never miss those procs

solemn creek
random hare
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They are way easier than outlaw ace procs

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It’s not even close

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I guess that made it easy for me

hazy breach
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And get the entire second dance of blades onto the barrels

solemn creek
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Didnt find it to be a gain

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Depend on explosive rng

civic forge
solemn creek
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Or what my fellow do

swift tinsel
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Could be, if you're wired to react to ace procs which are 100% more difficult I could see it being way easier with shadowcraft

random hare
swift tinsel
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lmao

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if you have enough shadow tech stacks during symbols to grant a full cp bar your finishers will fill

civic forge
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yeh i have it showing in my atrocity stuff but i never look at it

swift tinsel
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so its actually very easy to know, unless you get a stack right as you finish that would put you over the threshold

crystal bone
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praygeAscend house of cards today

civic forge
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i enjoy the surprise and reacting

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keeps me from falling asleep

random hare
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I find tracking it is harder than doing it

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Because playing sub is too free

swift tinsel
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I made mine braindead and have circles around by cp's

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if I see yellow, I get a reset next finisher

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Its a lil qol thing

random hare
swift tinsel
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lmfao no

keen dome
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traffic light combies?

civic forge
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cursed

random hare
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🚥

keen dome
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I want tootie-fruitie combies

swift tinsel
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they're just circles around my cps

random hare
swift tinsel
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red = 1-7 stacks, yellow = 8-14

keen dome
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owns

swift tinsel
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gotta go with Scritch's cat cps

keen dome
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Gonna make dancing murlco combies

solemn creek
swift tinsel
swift tinsel
solemn creek
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The question was if your condition to appear is symbol of death active = true. Or do u always see the circle from technique stacks

Sry if i didnt ask correcly

swift tinsel
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Nope, the trigger is only shadow techniques so they show up whenever their corresponding stack exists

tame stone
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how do you open if you have everything + coup de grace ready?

ss -> flag -> sd + rupture -> ss -> coup -> ss -> symbols+sb+secret?

tepid trellis
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first off, dont dance + rupture, secondly you would sectech before coup in Flag+blades dances

tame stone
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so the bonus 15% isnt worth the cd reduction?

remote shuttle
tepid trellis
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its to gurantee fitting 2x sectech in trinket+blades

tame stone
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but this only happens in m+

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and you have first dance usually

tepid trellis
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it can happen mid pull in raid

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so

wild vine
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@tepid trellis coming from the simc sequence, it sends a dance with sectec at around 42-45s into the fight and a raw sectec at 1min02. with seaforium pacemaker, might it be worth to switch those around ?

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unless I misunderstand the trinket, you would get a dance in the trinket proc

hazy breach
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You can swap them around if you want

swift tinsel
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I think Hacha was playing around with moving them and its fine

hollow spear
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that's why I am playing energy drink

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and surrender to RNGsus

swift tinsel
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Same but azerokk

rocky ocean
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goblin juice

hollow spear
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oof

swift tinsel
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giga dopamine if it hits in opener

hazy breach
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Generally trinkets are pissweak this expansion so its not really worth playing around them

swift tinsel
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and I just pretend I don't have a 2nd trinket if it doesn't

hollow spear
swift tinsel
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It happens enough that I look good in overall damage on the night in logs lol

hollow spear
swift tinsel
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u won't

remote rapids
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
tepid trellis
tame stone
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imagine having real trinkets 😢

hollow spear
swift tinsel
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Can get pvp one if you don't have it yet

tame stone
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im cp capped, missing 100

swift tinsel
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dang

tame stone
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did not realize its that strong first week

hazy breach
tame stone
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farming for house and priory meanwhile

pulsar gate
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i typically find myself with 2 charges of SD and Symbols with like 10 s on Flag and SB

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normal?

hazy breach
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Everything hinges on something that then hinges on the initial thing in like a circle, and it kinda has to be that way

hollow spear
hazy breach
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Spec is just really cursed for simc flexibility

tame stone
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alot of ppl still play transmitter and it still seems giga strong

hollow spear
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it is

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it's just ass to use

hazy breach
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Well

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Theres no good new trinkets

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So despite the 15% nerf transmitter still good, because house of cards is the only one thats decent

tame stone
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yea, i wanna get zanzil at herotrack ngl

thorny rivet
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Transmitter is the best trinket to exist.

tame stone
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to poison myself and forget about it

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even with a WA that covers 50% of my screen

swift tinsel
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I still feel like I'm doing my opener wrong without completing a transmitter task

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and its been almost a week lol

hollow spear
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that's what I mean

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we've been abused by transmitter so long

swift tinsel
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I miss her

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jk jk

hollow spear
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should call her

dim fog
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I should call her

hazy breach
keen dome
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Gallywix and pugs do not mix, lmao. Why do so many people fall down the hole??

hexed sluice
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I dropped my champ track transmitter after the last nerf and it dropped below 700 main stat difference to the pvp trinket

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Best decision ever

swift tinsel
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If this keeps up Midnight's trinkets will be baby stat sticks that costs stats instead of granting them

hexed sluice
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A blessing on disguise for the hero track one never dropping

hollow spear
remote shuttle
hollow spear
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500 more honor and I am done terrorizing innocent PvP players

keen dome
remote shuttle
cobalt monolith
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Hi i search this item for my sub can you help me pls ?

hollow spear
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do bountiful delves

cobalt monolith
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only delves ?

hollow spear
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yes

lilac stag
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this season’s knife

cobalt monolith
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i have drop the precedent quality off this item inside elite undermine boss

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i can upgrade him to champion ?

wild hornet
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Are there usually any myth track trinkets thatd beat heroic kezan/hoc

swift tinsel
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mythic kezan/hoc

keen dome
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@lilac stag You were correct about Heroic Gallywix, by the way

lilac stag
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bountiful delve box

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Or great vault

cobalt monolith
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so i just need to do delves

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you think its worth ?

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farm this item

cloud rover
keen dome
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Well, it's hard to farm but yeah it's a good passive option

paper iron
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I dont tira

lilac stag
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you should be doing delves for upgrades anyways

cloud rover
paper iron
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Not having house of card hc week1

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Skill issue

keen dome
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It's brutally tuned for pugs haha

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Mechanically simple but the actual damage / healing requirements is above the typical pug's capabilities atm

paper iron
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Gally hc feels reallyhard to heal

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Ngl

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I can see pugs failing

keen dome
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Pugs are doing 2/5/10 or 2/6/14 haha

paper iron
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Meanwhile we do 2 4 24

keen dome
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owns

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I miss the Fyrakk pug approach

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2/8/16

paper iron
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Fyrrak was mostly mecanics nah?

keen dome
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Yeah

paper iron
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Tbf

keen dome
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Early on you just stacked heals and he died

paper iron
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I havent pugged since df s1

keen dome
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Just assigning competent people for seeds in P3 and gg

paper iron
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I only pugged kyveza

keen dome
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I actually got him week 1, my only week 1 aotc so far.

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alll the others are week 2

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This will be the first boss since Sarkareth I do not get aotc on in the first two weeks and I don't really care haha

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But 3% Heal/Damage on reset, and a huge iLevel spike for a lot of people should make it considerably easier

paper iron
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Yea but that means à lot about difficulty for pugd

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Pugs

keen dome
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Ye

paper iron
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Think gally isnt the only pug wall

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Ive à friend Who pugged only and

shrewd shadow
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Heads is rough in pugs too

paper iron
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One armed is alrzady à wall

keen dome
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Stix, Bandit and Mug'zee are the walls.

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Lockensprocket if you don't know ~The Tech~

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I think Mug'zee, this week, is one of the hardest pug damage checks I've seen.

simple inlet
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is there a sound effect wa for when i'm about to get full cp after a finisher?

haughty mural
keen dome
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So you know the Mines on heroic? Some groups assign 4 groups, etc

wicked joltBOT
keen dome
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But you can do it with 3 people, which makes the fight a joke in pugs

jaunty umbra
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shadowcraft one

paper iron
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Wtf

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In guild

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We have 1 Guy doing the important bomb

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Everyone else dump the others

haughty mural
keen dome
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Paladin can do the first set: pop first bomb, bubble, pop second, then third. DH can do the second set. Hunter can do the third. Donezo

keen dome
haughty mural
#

didnt even know thats the tech kekdog

keen dome
#

But just having 3 people do it is so much better

paper iron
#

Oh u talk about tank bombs ?

#

Wtf

keen dome
#

No, Lockensprocket heroic

sly shore
#

4th bomb can just expire if I recall

keen dome
#

Yep

haughty mural
#

ya

hollow spear
#

don't tell anyone

#

or they might improv assign me during my flag window

keen dome
#

I think Rogue can do it too but I don't care to test it 'cos I can make other people do it while I hit boss >:D

sly shore
#

ye

#

1s cloak immune

haughty mural
#

hunter mechanic

paper iron
#

Idk

#

That just

#

Tabk mecanic

#

They just gotta soak themselves

#

Wtf pugs

night sparrow
#

Hey what's the correct move when entering out of 1m30 dance+symbols full cp : Instant SecTec or Evisc > Backstab > SecTec

paper iron
#

Our warprot can even tank 2

night sparrow
#

Yeah but outside* of 1m30 big dmg widow ?

keen dome
night sparrow
#

"dry" symbols+dance

sly shore
#

depends if you have coup or not

#

and if fazed is active

#

if you have coup and fazed is active, you coup

#

if you don't have coup and fazed is active you can evis first

sly shore
#

if you don't have fazed, you always sectech first

keen dome
paper iron
#

yea

keen dome
#

What if you do that on heroic

sly shore
#

were starting spiders on speed kills

#

didn't even do parasite

keen dome
#

And make the fight grossly, needlessly more difficult

paper iron
night sparrow
sly shore
#

ignore danse

#

don't even track it

#

fazed is huge

#

and getting 5 stacks from coup especially

night sparrow
#

Oooh alright I see

paper iron
#

yea dont overthink dm, it just happens to ramp

#

naturallly

sly shore
#

it's completely passive and has never even been worth tracking

hot oyster
#

Hey gamers, I'm trying to decide which piece I should craft for 675 and I could use your ideas. I already have two heroic fully upgraded pyrotechnic needle droppers so I shouldn't really waste a craft for 10 ilvl update right? Here's the current kit

fast sandal
#

yo, guys, question, is the 0.5% dmg of premeditation backstab during SD worth?

sly shore
paper iron
sly shore
#

and I bet it's not even close

night sparrow
#

Pretty sure it's 0.5% dmg worth

keen dome
#

100% gonna be the weapon, yeah

#

Get a 675

hot oyster
#

Well damn

#

I wasted those gilded stuff

#

Aight thanks

keen dome
#

You might want to go do some simming to see for sure

paper iron
#

because to me +20 dps outlaw tech are worth, so 0.5% for sure is worth it

marsh magnet
#

how much difference in dmg from main hand wep to off hand wep? thinking on crafting a dagger to use both as outlaw and subtlety.

paper iron
hazy breach
#

Offhand weapon dps is irrelevant

hazy breach
#

Mainhaind weapon dps is the most important thing on all of your gear

marsh magnet
#

ty all

sly shore
#

it's like 5x the dps of any other slot

#

if an item is 20k for x ilvl increase, weapon is 100k for the same ilvl increase

#

crazy stuff

night sparrow
#

I already have a 678 main weapon, do u guys think 675 dmg offhand is still worth ?

#

prob not I guess

paper iron
# fast sandal hmmmmmm

cant answer for u if u wanna bother or nah backstab in dance, just know that s more dps. Here we only tell people what s the best, then if they wanna play tea and subterfuge with no sectech deathstalker and lose 45% dmg, that s their will

#

eleem, should i craft offhand weapon? I ve main hand crafted already happy_holiday_pepe

hollow plinth
#

not sure offhand is the 'worst slot' but rather just similar to any other slot that's not mh

hazy breach
#

It has less stats the other slots

hollow plinth
#

agility should be similar to like wrists no?

hazy breach
#

No its less

fast sandal
#

you can craft a belt, waist, cloak, they get more stats than the offhand

shrewd shadow
#

You can have three crafted items?

fast sandal
#

you can have all

shrewd shadow
#

Oh nvm I see you mean as options

fast sandal
#

but you cant have more than 2 emb

shrewd shadow
#

Ahh

#

Already made my cloak n boots and wish I had done my main hand

hollow snow
#

man im surprised class tuning hasn't been announced yet

paper iron
#

offhand only stat that matters is attack speed cuz of shadow techniques garf_sit

strange pond
#

/macro

steel horizon
#

the tier version has vers/mas

fast sandal
#

you go and craft one

hazy breach
strange pond
#

!macro

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
hollow snow
paper iron
shrewd shadow
hazy breach
#

Idk pvpers still end up using like a mace in their offhand because it has more mastery or some shit

hazy breach
#

Which cant possibly be right, even with how much less uptime you get for autos

#

But shrugeg

steel horizon
paper iron
#

yea since sub is all about big burst of damage since we cant press cheapshot / ks without losing all our damage, we just wear stat sticks kekman

#

sht isnt really a thing in pvp so

grand galleon
#

is class tuning incoming?

paper iron
#

it s probably completely wrong, but at least it has a thinking process

paper iron
steel horizon
#

is sub not the leading rogue spec in raid right now anyway? i hope people are not expecting buffs lol

hot oyster
#

wasn't assass the best overall in week one?

paper iron
#

it has advantages, assa not so far, and somehow outlaw is doing great also

vale pine
paper iron
#

all 3 specs are kinda high middle pack i think, which is the best spot to be on, no nerf no buff needed

#

can easily become the top spec if they just nerf top specs poggers

distant night
#

is there any easy way to get a decent ilvl glove that i can throw into the catalyst? like from a vendor or something

rocky wolf
#

i dont have house of cards yet so im worried about transmitter nerfs mainly but idk if thats gonna happen i think were the only spec who still "wants" transmitter

paper iron
#

delves / undermine reput i think

#

these are not so bad

steel horizon
chrome palm
paper iron
#

but can also just get them from pvp / m+ / craft

hollow spear
haughty mural
#

but why do you want to catalyst hands in the first place?

hollow spear
#

I think helmet and gloves are kinda similar, gloves are slightly worse

lilac stag
distant night
haughty mural
#

fair

distant night
#

so might aswell hit 2 birds with 1 sotne

paper iron
molten citrus
#

blizzard even added vers/mast conquest dagger to vendor finally this season

#

that shit should be dead and gone

hazy breach
molten citrus
#

i fucking pray

keen dome
#

What does your heart tell you

#

Will it be gone

molten citrus
#

its been so bad

#

to do mace OH even in pvp

#

for quite some time

#

ppl are just ???

keen dome
#

Haha

tepid trellis
#

MACE HAS 0.1% more vers

#

you just wouldnt get it

keen dome
molten citrus
twilit phoenix
#

using 3 pvp pieces in pve at the moment

molten citrus
#

no dinner for panda ReallyMad

twilit phoenix
#

neck, wrist, gloves

#

GAMING

#

almost at 34% vers with druid buff + flask

tranquil garden
#

speaking of pvp in pve, I've had shit luck finding a ring so far, what's the best ilvl you can get with a pvp ring? is it the champion-tier conquest one from the same place you get the trinket? or forged heraldry crafted one?

twilit phoenix
#

that's with no vers on boots/waist

#

658 is max on pvp gear

tranquil garden
#

that's still a lot better than I'm using and I can get it immediately with the crests I have, so I guess that's the conquest ring?

molten citrus
#

ring is kinda easy to farm from + imo

tranquil garden
#

thanks. hard to find info about the pvp gear in pve

molten citrus
#

but Shruge

lilac stag
tranquil garden
#

yeah I'll farm a heroic tier one

#

but +29 ilvls on my existing ring for free first sounds pretty helpful

pulsar gate
#

Guys question

hollow spear
pulsar gate
#

34% vers sounds amazing

hollow spear
#

I'd still find a way to die

pulsar gate
#

but i find mysled at 2 SD charges for like 10 seconds waiting for flag to come off CD

#

is this normal?

blissful tartan
#

How big is the dif between using Cold Blood on 1st vs 2nd Sec Tech?

pulsar gate
#

1% i think

#

i also dont know why we dont use sec tech later in dance from macab buff but i do what im told

blissful tartan
#

For supercharged combo points?

pulsar gate
#

oh maybe

#

im new so i dont have a full understanding

#

how do supercharged combo points even work

hazy breach
#

After you press symbols your next 2 finishers do more damage

lusty narwhal
#

and maybe it would be hard to fit 2 sectechs into the shadow blades + trinket window otherwise but not sure

pulsar gate
#

bc each consumes 1?

hazy breach
#

Yes

pulsar gate
#

i see

trail dawn
#

When you proc Coup the Grace you get 5 stcks of flawless form. By delying you benefit with the dmg build up

pulsar gate
#

do we ever not finish at 6+

native zodiac
pulsar gate
#

like coup de grace gives like 5 CP? unless i read it wrong

#

okay so can u sometimes send 2 SD between flags?

native zodiac
#

Yes

pulsar gate
#

interesting. how can i know if i can?

#

servers up

stiff kiln
#

i can't be sure what the correct estimate stat percentages of sub

native zodiac
#

generally you just need to make sure you have 1 charge of SD and like 30 secs remaining on the 2nd charge

#

and it will be enough for the flag/blade window

pulsar gate
#

right

native zodiac
#

as you will generate the 30 secs of cdr with the first dance

pulsar gate
#

i also find that when i SD & Symbols

#

SD runs out and i have another charge but have like 3-4 seconds on symbols

#

wait for symbols to drop before sending sd right?

ember mural
#

!up

native zodiac
pulsar gate
#

yes

native zodiac
#

otherwise you dont ever realy back to back dance

#

alright

#

you basically want to dance right after your first dance ends

#

and you symbol as you as secret tech comes up the 2nd time

#

to supercharge it

pulsar gate
#

so send SD when the first one ends even with 3s of symbols remaining?

#

so just build macab stacks waiting then?

hazy breach
#

Idk why you keep mentioning the remaining timer of symbols

#

During blades you dance immediately once your dance ends, has nothing to do with symbols

pulsar gate
#

bc ive been lining them up

#

so then just dont sec tech until i symbols again

hazy breach
#

You symbols once sectech has 10 seconds or less left of its cooldown

pulsar gate
#

is this true in flag window or always

hazy breach
#

Always

night sparrow
#

Do you guys consider CB a 1m30 cd or do you press on CD and delay burst by like 2 sec MAX to make sure it will be back for second SecTec while bursting ?

hazy breach
#

Sectech should always be supercharged

dry belfry
#

He will loose uptime of symbol if he symbol + danse together

pulsar gate
#

so then sec tech will get the 2nd supercharged

#

right right

#

in between flag windows u can get a symbols sec tech only combo in right?

night sparrow
pulsar gate
#

and in between flags im lining up dance and symbols right?

mint swift
keen dome
#

oh no

wicked urchin
#

GL gamers

steel horizon
#

no house of cards = riot

wicked urchin
#

save me from this transmitter i beg

quaint lodge
#

Got house of cards from timewalking, never deleted a trinket in my bags so fast in my life

#

Treacherous deleted !

placid elk
#

there is a way to get rid of transmitter but it involves rated pvp so pick your poison

wicked urchin
#

you only need conquest

#

doesn't need to be rated pvp

#

i'd still rather not for a dps loss too

hot oyster
#

I simmed pvp trinket, it's not good

placid elk
#

then jump 3 times collect orb stay in circle

hazy breach
pulsar gate
#

whats more val a hero wep or hero 2 set

hot oyster
#

works slightly worse than some delve trinkets even

pulsar gate
#

this would gimme 4 set and hero wep is farmable

placid elk
vestal escarp
#

got pacemaker after only 31 runs garf_sit

wicked urchin
#

no HoC 😦

#

ez helm tho

swift tinsel
#

Nice bis ring too

hazy breach
#

Mythic helm, good ring

warped ferry
#

Alright time to be disappointed.

hazy breach
#

Nothing to complain about really

wicked urchin
#

nope im still happy!

vestal escarp
#

comfy vault

swift tinsel
#

I get to let the suspense build for another 7 hours

#

yeehaw

paper helm
swift tinsel
#

terrible vault, reroll

vestal escarp
#

sim angle

oblique grove
#

its jjust that easy

night sparrow
#

Hey entering symbols+dance 0cp and coup up, do you backstab > evisc (coup) > SS > SecTec for flawless stacks ?

steel horizon
#

vault trolling me. gave me an eye of kezan when i just picked up a pacemaker like 2 days ago

hollow spear
#

stop simming your vault guys

paper helm
hollow spear
#

I am European and I am in queue garf

wicked urchin
#

imagine not having raidbots premium

#

jk i don't

#

3000 queue lets go

swift tinsel
#

owned

hollow spear
#

I do have premium

swift tinsel
#

Lol same

lusty narwhal
#

imagine not pre-simming every possible outcome of the vault the day before

muted agate
#

ohhhh my guardddddd no wayeayayeayeayeay

swift tinsel
#

we are not the same

hollow spear
#

I crafted my cloak

#

please don't do that to me, vault

wicked urchin
#

where my neck crafters at?

swift tinsel
#

if you're NA send in like 7 hours

vale pine
swift tinsel
#

Yeahhh

#

NA vaults opened a bit ago

glass jasper
#

Do we get another catalyst this reset?

swift tinsel
#

Yar

vale pine
swift tinsel
#

They need a Premium-Premium option on raidbots

#

sort out the riff-raff

granite river
#

Is azerokk resonating heart sim bait ? sim want me to replace H transmitter with it, and cata for 4p

sudden bone
#

!wa

wicked joltBOT
strange chasm
#

😦

graceful rock
wicked urchin
#

don't post any house of card pulls until i go back to sleep please

#

ty

steel horizon
glass jasper
#

More vaults please NA people, I need to live through you

uneven finch
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
slate lantern
#

of course i get one of the worst myth tier m+ trinkets

twilit phoenix
wicked urchin
#

that was my 1 mythic slot last week

swift tinsel
#

Bis belt, tier/cata legs, not bad

uneven finch
#

thinking of picking up the trink

#

(playing as sin)

hot oyster
#

trinket looks the best

#

if you have tier set

uneven finch
#

i have 4p yeah

wicked urchin
#

Hmm

glass jasper
#

Having a wide arsenal of trinkets is always nice for multispeccing

hot oyster
#

don't look back then

wicked urchin
#

is this a ring angle?

#

ring will be a lot harder to get

#

(again)

limber relic
#

We did it boys...pulled House of Cards from vault

#

Used to pray for times like this

glass jasper
hot oyster
#

last week i left only one single champion slot in my vault and that very slot was HoC

glass jasper
#

Jokes aside, big GZ

hot oyster
#

feelsbadman

limber relic
uneven finch
hazy breach
#

Imagine not taking a socket last week, couldnt be me

wicked urchin
#

fuck i can't decide between ring or helm

glass jasper
#

I will probably be punished for that this week, only crit/haste heads or something

pulsar gate
#

Scrambler didnt drop me a map

#

wtf

swift tinsel
hazy breach
#

Yepsk

limber relic
hot oyster
#

I just want a tier piece this week so i can finally let go of my old tier sets

pulsar gate
#

no

glass jasper
#

I will tell you the story of how unpunished my first week was. I was away alot so barely had time to play any m+. So didn't get a single +10 in, got compensated for that by getting HC HoC so didn't even feel bad about missing myth track loot

pulsar gate
#

first delve post reset

swift tinsel
#

I'm not even gonna open my vault until I finish raid thursday night and do my hero map delve

hot oyster
glass jasper
#

Yea! So was even nicer to not really have any other good options i would feel bad about not taking 😄

rocky thorn
#

a moment to cry

glass jasper
#

Signet looks fine, if you dont have HoC

hot oyster
#

signet defo

swift tinsel
#

Tier helm, bis bracers

hazy breach
#

Prob just tank a useless vault and take signet for assa

wicked urchin
muted agate
#

thank god i had dagger instead of having to take

#

signet

hollow spear
#

take signet and hope for the inevitable 8% aura buff for sin

hot oyster
#

i feel like ass is gonna get buffed eventually

night sparrow
#

Hey when you'll have only 1 dance+symbols between 2 bursts, do you guys delay it till hitting Coup de grâce in the idea of doing symbols+dance > Evis (coup) > backstab > SecTec for maximazing danse macabre + flawless stacks for SecTec ?

hollow spear
#

we will get our inevitable 30% BP buff soon

limber knoll
#

what are you guys doing as your 2nd craft? I did dagger as my first

hot oyster
hazy breach
wicked urchin
#

posted already but halp my tired monkey brain

hazy breach
#

Depends on what you got

wicked urchin
#

helm seems clear but i might never see ring again

swift tinsel
fallen crescent
#

Ring and helm kinda thicc

wicked urchin
hollow spear
#

how would we be able to help with that picture alone haha

spark plover
#

yes ring look like pretty rare. it depend if you want short or long term gear

wicked urchin
#

have heroic ring with speed

hot oyster
glass jasper
daring agate
#

signet of the priory hero track and azerokk's Resonating Heart and sims still say use a s1 champion transmitter. wtf lol

swift tinsel
#

Can farm ring from ToP

#

or Priory

hollow spear
#

not on myth track tho

valid ocean
#

oh god send help what do i do

wicked urchin
hazy breach
stark belfry
hazy breach
#

The badge is slightly worse than transmitter usually in simc, but no minigame

daring agate
#

it's not surprising, it's annoying lol

haughty mural
hollow spear
#

one is a 2min trinket on a 90s spec

#

and the other one is a passive trinket

hazy breach
#

2 minute trinket which you pretend is a 3 min trinket

wicked urchin
#

ima just rip helm

valid ocean
haughty mural
glass jasper
hollow spear
glass jasper
#

More vaults!!

hot oyster
#

you get mine tomorrow

pulsar gate
#

im pissed my map didnt drop

glass jasper
#

Mine too, need vaults now

pulsar gate
#

do i open a ticket or just eat it

stark belfry
haughty mural
#

its 700 ye

limber knoll
#

my vault is so bad, what even would you take

#

gonna craft the neck with embellish prob

hazy breach
#

Chest is fine

steel sierra
#

This vs Myth helm - even though gloves are a better upgrade, i'd imagine crafted gloves are probably just as good without worrying about M Mugzee

limber knoll
#

got mythic tier chest last week 😦

glass jasper
limber knoll
#

probably, just feelsbad cause no piece to put it on yet cause all heroic track

glass jasper
bright elk
#

finally got to get rid of my old tier set my god

novel plaza
#

myth track pacemaker or heroic house of cards?

steel sierra
fallen crescent
glass jasper
lucid jackal
#

My tier is over

twilit phoenix
steel sierra
# glass jasper Ty

it's a 10/10 addon you will fucking hate with a passion because it shows you everything you are missing

twilit phoenix
twilit phoenix
novel plaza
median nacelle
#

in my grp rn, doing some solid weeklies

#

thought i had to share

keen dome
#

Hah

hot oyster
#

my man drippin

twilit phoenix
hot oyster
#

id listen to some shitty techno track with this gnome on the cover

twilit phoenix
#

the qol is so nice

#

but deffo wait until raid

#

myth seaforium is really good too

valid marsh
#

!sin

#

!sim

#

!sims

wicked joltBOT
ember mural
#

!up

round drum
#

gotta be the worst vault i've ever opened

weary crag
#

brah getting flame vents is cursed

#

but i still have 2 set

#

u guys gotta stop crying

round drum
#

same

fallen crescent
wispy jasper
#

What's the main reason for taking Shiv in the M+ build?

weary crag
round drum
#

yeah :(

sweet sedge
#

fellas, are we not macroing shadowstrike into dance anymore? can i just switch it out w bs?

steep hemlock
#

which weakaura was u guys using for the combo point refunds

sweet sedge
daring agate
iron whale
#

I have the coolest looking subtlety void elf rogue in the game, not gonna lie

pine stratus
#

so.... just swapped to sub from sin, do Sub also go for 2-2 pre-myth track?

sweet sedge
#

nah sub 4pc is good

valid marsh
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
sweet sedge
#

but also sim it

swift tinsel
#

can always sim

#

ye

#

2pc2pc is a loss for some, gain for others

#

depends on your gear

pine stratus
#

ah ok, it's pretty black n white for sin, hence my question

weary crag
#

imo this tier 2 set is nearky useless wiyhout 4 set

swift tinsel
#

That's def where most of the power lies

#

and 4pc will typically be better than 2pc2pc unless your gear sucks

iron whale
sacred warren
#

So sub want 4pc?

placid crown
#

raidbot gives this opener. Can we discuss about it ?

potent nimbus
#

in m+ are we still using black powder or just more st for nimble flurry?

hazy breach
potent nimbus
#

alright, ty

vale pine
swift tinsel
placid crown
#

it does not look like your guide on wowhead ^^

#

the 1st sectec does not profit of the blades ?

steel horizon
#

Sooo is LFR one armed bandit out this week? Lmao

pine stratus
swift tinsel
hazy breach
#

The majority of the damage of sectech comes 1s & 1.3s after you press the button

limber knoll
#

sims say craft boots, is that okay?

hazy breach
#

The initial hit does roughly the same damage as you would do with another global at the tail end of your cds anyway

placid crown
#

and if i cast sectec while i have a buff (like blades, flag, whatever..) but the buff fades just after the cast. The entire cast is buffed because it was casted while buff, or only the 1st hit (or 0 hit) will hit with buff ?

vale pine
hazy breach
#

It does not snapshot, you need to have the buffs up when the clones hit

vale pine
#

pmuch all of it is the same, diffrence is poiton use

placid crown
#

ok ok ty for your answers

wicked lark
fallen crescent
#

Does the sim take into account the pre sod we do?

placid crown
#

I prefer ask because i feel like we are always trying to get the 0.5% here, 0.5% there..

vale pine
hazy breach
#

But it also doesnt matter much

fallen crescent
#

i was just curious. Ty garf

novel plaza
#

does myth track transmitter beat norm. HOC ?

hazy breach
#

Yes, usually heroic house too

#

If you go by simdps only

fallen crescent
#

Hero transmitter was barely beaten by hero hoc in my case

round drum
#

is it a crime to craft a 675 neck vs the boots or wrists

hazy breach
#

Nop

#

If it sims higher go ahead

round drum
#

🫡

paper iron
#

yea but psychologically, house of card lfr beats transmitter mythic avoidance proc

keen dome
#

truth

steel horizon
#

LFR one armed bandit is out this week fyi lol

paper iron
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oh really

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lol

steel horizon
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Yep. I will be running it in an attempt to free myself from transmitter. I only have a heroic transmitter so even a 645 HoC is a side grade for me

keen dome
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I was expecting Vexie Mythic to be easy but lmao, two pulls in a pug and dead

paper iron
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hmmm

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i mean it s not a hard fight at all if everyone feel concerned by mecanics

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soaking, oiling up, shooting bikes

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but i can see pugs failing that

keen dome
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Yeah

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We just had the boss static on a point, drop oil near mid. And pewpew

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Too bad my damage was beyond awful hahaha

lucid frost
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
paper iron
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yea that s the best strat, if casters switch on bikes it s gg

keen dome
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Yeah

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I was one of the only people doing oil cans so I was out of melee a lot but w/e, a kill is a kill

paper iron
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think cauldron can be tough but with a giga group maybe, and then rik impossible this week. Not gonna talk about stix, not puggable until 20 more sets of nerfs