subtlety

[keen dome]

no

[meager creek]

But you do way more prio damage

[keen dome]

I don't care about the 0.1% of content

that 99.9999% of the playerbase won't touch

And isn't a good metric of if a class is good or not

[meager creek]

More important damage than useless padding on adds

[vague laurel]

well for 12's rogue good enough

[sly shore]

BP is funnel

😄

trust me bro

[vague laurel]

also not true

[paper iron]

rogue probably never gonna be meta in m+ if u ask me, blizzard is scared of it. But yea for, let s say, top 1% content rogue is currently doing great great

also 15

yea it s impressive 15 16 right now

but it s low key

still

[vague laurel]

it is

imagine going even higher

[paper iron]

need to wait .5 patch before assuming something is bad or not

[vague laurel]

roruge will do even less compaired to other classes

[hazy breach]

Then how did casual do roughly as much as jack in his top 15?

Curious

[paper iron]

Top is rogue kingdom, always been, it s the tott of shadowland, triple rogue key only

[vague laurel]

low target count good for trickster

[paper iron]

i remember doing triple outlaw top back in SL

[vague laurel]

that was bfa bro

[sly shore]

all target count good for trickster

[paper iron]

so no, top is from maldraxxus which is part of shadowlands, had to be necro to enable banneers versa

[sly shore]

This mf sure got a lot to say about content he isn't even doing

[vague laurel]

:DDD

[paper iron]

i d say, is rogue great : yea. Is rogue the best class in the game : who knows. Is rogue gonna be meta : who knows. Who knows : who knows

[vague laurel]

bro i do damages you can never imagine with ur pathectic casual skills

[sly shore]

[void hound]

😭 😭 😭

[molten citrus]

[misty dome]

chasing meta is a fruitless activity - they shift things so often, things are discovered, gear has a huge impact... i think just play what you think is fun

[paper iron]

btw was casual playing sub or assa in top? i ve seen him doing a lot of assa lately

[void hound]

preach

[keen dome]

Purple is for life, not just when it's meta

[sly shore]

[paper iron]

^ give this dude purple name, deserved

[vague laurel]

you probably 2m overall capped guy

[molten citrus]

sub i think

[paper iron]

also is that akuma in your banneer discord profile thing animated

[hazy breach]

Sub, but theres definitely potential to play it better than he did in that run

[molten citrus]

chill out

[paper iron]

i ve a question

did he play

shiv for the first mob?

[misty dome]

that being said, i'm f'n garbage right now. green parses at best in heroic but the competition there is nuts

[paper iron]

i dont wanna shiv i swear

[plush roost]

Nah thats druids job

[misty dome]

hell yeah

[sly shore]

ur talking to the RANK ONE NORMAL One-Armed Bandit player bud, watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[plush roost]

!!!

[misty dome]

i bring that extra medium dps to raids

[plush roost]

KPB? More like KPBigD

[molten citrus]

kpb capped to 2m dps on pure ST 😢

[sly shore]

[misty dome]

at some point i gotta analyze my logs but right now we're still working on first kills so i'm sac'ing optimal dps rotatos for mechanics

[paper iron]

you re a man of culture, i m not really into fighting games but i followed a lot of super akouma since he s french

[vague laurel]

who cares about a raid fight

[paper iron]

so i know a bit about this char

[young trench]

i hit a rank 1 bandit this week on normal aswell so kewl

[misty dome]

@vague laurel i care about all fights that i can log... which is all fights

[sly shore]

It's so over for you

leave in shame

it's so over!!!!!!!!!!

[paper iron]

ilvl gap

D:

[vague laurel]

plebs jerking only for raid logs, ppl just gonna go for raid to get loot for m+

[misty dome]

@young trench it's ok, i still love you

well, love is a strong word

"like"...

[meager creek]

Cringe normal logs

[young trench]

x)

[paper iron]

lfr logs is where the real comp is

let s be honest

[sly shore]

normal is very hard though

[paper iron]

go try to parse lfr

[sly shore]

very hard to press a defensive!!!

[misty dome]

normal doesn't have enough coins, how can you maintain high roller uptime with 1 coin every minute?!?

[paper iron]

i pressed cheat death, that the only defensive i allow myself to use

[young trench]

i got HoC this id i hope you are prepared for utter normal destruction next id @sly shore

[vague laurel]

even normal bro

ur just embersassing urself instead of me

i can show raidfinder logs

[misty dome]

i can't tell how serious darga is

so now i'm talking about them in third person

[sly shore]

me either

[vague laurel]

nah im chillin

[topaz raptor]

show us your hardmode mythic parses. u die outside of wipe exception, u delete.

[sly shore]

let's go look at my mythic logs from last tier

[vague laurel]

I just always wonder how brainrotten ppls are down there

[misty dome]

@vague laurel hard to read sometimes; there's always someone that's taking a light hearted conversation too seriously

[sly shore]

silken court can suck my ass

[paper iron]

[misty dome]

a) i'm mad that your parses from last season are better than my parses from this season; b) i'm mad that i'm not in a CE guild anymore

[meager creek]

Nice!

[vague laurel]

and keeps going

[paper iron]

i bring my ego to the table as well

[sly shore]

I'd die if I fell from the height of my ego frfr

(in-game)

[paper iron]

rank 1 all star sofo mythic

[misty dome]

but i don't wanna commit the time anymore

[paper iron]

[molten citrus]

this language tho

[paper iron]

baguette baguette oui

[topaz raptor]

fake made up language thats AI

[paper iron]

[sly shore]

advance were doing speed kills in awakened

[misty dome]

i'll have a croque monsieur

[molten citrus]

fr*nch automatically -5 all star ranks

[paper iron]

wtf

[misty dome]

you know what? make it a croque madame, i want an egg

[paper iron]

[topaz raptor]

French adds +10 pick pocket tho

[paper iron]

how are u so good at french gastronomy actually

[misty dome]

@topaz raptor someone stole a water bottle from my bag in the paris airport

[paper iron]

WHY ARE U PUMPING SO MUCH

STAP IT

[sly shore]

just do speed kills

[molten citrus]

croquettes are better

[paper iron]

zaqali was a real fight

44s

[sly shore]

get the r1 speed that's all that matters

[haughty mural]

whats your problem with 4th bosses

[paper iron]

so bad at sennarth

actually

washed up guild

cant do speedkill

gg

[sly shore]

exsanguinated the deathmark for sure

[remote shuttle]

Do you think they go tea due to siren ring mastery scaling effect not dropping in instance? I noticed with HoC that when buff expire my stats on citrine ring still benefit increase mastery even of buff is gone

[misty dome]

@sly shore teach me, i'll give you three dollars

[sly shore]

no and give me the three dollars

[topaz raptor]

oh how i dream of finally upgrading my potato rig, growing up and cosplaying a good raid rogue rn

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/croquet-wicket-mallet-lawn-ball-gif-25048716

[paper iron]

what do they give up for tea anyway?

[misty dome]

i'll make it four dollars and a french sandwich

[molten citrus]

CB

[paper iron]

call it a jambon beurre

[paper iron]

oh, so they might build lot of crits in their gear i guess

[misty dome]

ham and butter is a good sammich

[stone robin]

How bad is haste on sub rogue?

[misty dome]

but lately i've been on an iberico ham kick

[light imp]

Cold blood, it's smooths out the dungeon and has a more consistent profile. But you miss out on fat 15 target full buff sectec crits for 15mil dps lol

[sly shore]

it's the worst stat and does barely anything noticeable

[misty dome]

15mil dps, you guys are out of your damned minds

i peak at like 5m

[lilac stag]

Tea only smooths out the brain in keys.

[sly shore]

I've hit 20M

in first pull of cinderbrew

[misty dome]

yeah but you're playing a different game

[paper iron]

i peaked at 24m in cinderbrew

[light imp]

When I land a perfect CB buffed sectec on a large group? Absolutely

[paper iron]

but only once

[sly shore]

give me house of cards

[paper iron]

usually i m arround 15 16m on this pull

[misty dome]

i really need to get rid of my CB/sectec macro so i can cb the second one in flag

[lilac stag]

just get one.

[hazy breach]

Likely they play vigor because it feels nice

[paper iron]

i mean, peak at 15 16m, i end up at like 11m maybe

[sly shore]

I just swapped my binds

for sectech alone and the macro

[misty dome]

actually that seems smarter

[hazy breach]

But numerically tea is just not it

[sly shore]

so now the sectech alone is my main button

and the sectech macro is the off button

[paper iron]

highs are lower, lows are higher, i guess

[light imp]

Yeah I tried tea it's more consistent but I did feel like EoD damage was a bit lower

[sly shore]

i'm thinking of doing a complete keybind reshuffle but

I like my binds

[paper iron]

YO

SHIFT E IS MY SECTECH AS WELL

WE BROTHERS

[light imp]

Shift E is my crimson vial

[young trench]

ctrl gang rise up

[remote shuttle]

Ye... Not even to have more cdr overall? On dances

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-mandalorian-hi-hello-wave-gif-8636678709828902292

[remote shuttle]

Guess vigor tea allow u more spam between cds

[paper iron]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-brother-gif-20427662

[lilac stag]

and we do no dmg between CDs

No fucking point

[hazy breach]

Well tea doesnt really give any energy since youre macroing it to dance

[paper iron]

it s like 2 more shuriken storm outside of cd

i guess

[hazy breach]

Which mostly overcaps you

Since you symbols as well

Thats the best way of using it

[remote shuttle]

Ye just 200 energy and more energy regen should grant u more finishers outside cds not to deal much damage just for cdr

[paper iron]

oh yea dont care about the energy just take the mastery buff

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. Downward spiral of sub on tier lists starts this reset.

[paper iron]

i guess

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hazy breach]

The energy regen is completely irrelevant

Its only base regen

Not relentless strikes or shadow techniques

[remote shuttle]

Gotcha

[ionic agate]

is there any good sub rogue guide on youtube ? mostly for raid

[paper iron]

i opened twitter and all i see is fake monk posts / nerfs

[sly shore]

my sectech is on G because that was the Grenade keybind in cod

[zinc sail]

Hey would anyone be able to help me with what I’m doing wrong during raids, I’m top one during pull, then I’m falling down till like 10 and can’t get back up

[burnt crane]

At how many combo points should I use finishing move? Wowhead says to use it at 6 or more combo points, but in actual practice, I often find myself at 5 combo points.

[molten citrus]

you would press a builder again then

[plush roost]

6+ just use a builder

[grave delta]

want one?

[plush roost]

My sec tec is e and my macro with CB is ctrl+R kekw

[molten citrus]

you can type "!log" and link your log

it will create a thread

[stiff stirrup]

Why do I get stealth but first dance takes another 3~ seconds to start counting down…

[young trench]

99% of youtube guides are basicly a dude reading the wowhead guides to the audience soyeah they are most likely decent

just pick one

[plush roost]

Cause its a buggy talent haha

[stiff stirrup]

Too annoying

[plush roost]

Still way better than weaponmaster unfortunately

[stiff stirrup]

Yeah but if we can manage that almost every pull life would be so much easier

[ionic agate]

yeah that's why i asked for a good one most of the vids are dogshit they dont know shit bout min maxin the spec

[plush roost]

Maybe, but its usually only in big downtime you're really getting it as is, most pulls just get chained together faster than 6 seconds

[vale pine]

yes

[young trench]

the wowhead guide is very detailed you just gotta read it yourself

[zinc sail]

!logs

[void hound]

❤️

[young trench]

and for fight by fight min maxing i suggest looking at loorgs.io to see where the top logs used cds @ionic agate

lorrgs*

[ionic agate]

yeah guess that's best way to find out the rotation

[smoky vault]

That's ... Normal :D. With equivalent gear. You should be back on top every 1.30 or so unless in execute phase where sub struggle compared to mage, war etc.
You should be "on par" with DH for reference (which bugs me for god sake)

[plush roost]

Nothing wrong with DH being good

Was fun to play in splits

[smoky vault]

Yeah cause actually we dont have any and I might be entailed to switch because chaos brand better than atro ... We dont raid mythic

[plush roost]

If u dont raid mythic then it wouldn't matter what class u play

Even if u raided mythic it wouldn't matter unless ur in top 10 tbh

[smoky vault]

Ofc but being the most useful is good feeling

[lilac stag]

Enjoy what you do and you’re good. If it makes you feel more useful and that makes you smile, go for it.

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-smiling-happy-laughing-funny-gif-17335732

[lilac stag]

Rogues just enjoy hating themselves.

[void ocean]

its a class fantasy

[sly shore]

that's a stretch really, probably trickles down a little lower than that, top 50 even

[smoky vault]

Called hara-kiri, the only "assassin" thing possible in S2 xD

[lilac stag]

Darkness and Chaos brand are good. Good Havoc players aren’t easy to find.

[plush roost]

Well yeah, i was just exaggerating. If you only wanted to play rogue in a top 50 guild you'd probably be hard pressed to be THE rogue of all time

[lilac stag]

who has more than one rogue?

[plush roost]

Havoc is also incredibly fun

[smoky vault]

Yes

[young trench]

well you can always say it doesnt matter if you enjoy sitting on the bench xd

[smoky vault]

Actually I can play well fire mage, havoc and rogue and love all three

[keen dome]

I might do 4th rogue

[sly shore]

usually you have 2 rogues

one to main it and one to flex to the broken class

[keen dome]

haha

[lilac stag]

You mean Meta chaser with rogue as backup

[smoky vault]

I'm this kind

😛

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-pity-reload-shotgun-gif-5160379

[visual crystal]

guys house + mechano-core, sus drink or pacemaker for raiding, drink sims better but im not convinced since its sus

[hazy breach]

Its not sus (despite its name)

[keen dome]

Bandit heroic down in pugs. What a nightmare of a fight. 5 seconds to enrage too, lmao

That fight is goingt o be the absolute wall of pugging this tier

[void tendon]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[void tendon]

[haughty mural]

i like my shift + y

[wild vine]

2 pulled him on my alt

with a pug

opened it myself tho

[keen dome]

Damn, blasting

[wild vine]

took like 30 min to build the group tho

[keen dome]

haha, yeah

Had a good RL in this group, spent 20 minutes setting it up. 10 - 15 pulls and dead.

Most wipes were the fixate bombs and a few no coin dunks (and one WA failing)

[lilac stag]

I think you’ll be able to build a decent pug for it as people be trinket chasing.

[tribal blade]

bandit for sure one of the bosses people want the most

[hazy breach]

Bandit is for sure one of the bosses of all time

[tribal blade]

this tier in a nutshell

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/slot-tournament-old-ladies-gif-27054845

[molten citrus]

damn, that all ret paladin raid going HAM

[lilac stag]

Searching for the HOC

[keen dome]

Haha

I wonder if Mug'zee is going to be easier or harder in pug groups..

[tepid trellis]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[lilac stag]

Harder

[keen dome]

Yeah probably.

I bet Gally is gonna be easier than both lmao

[lilac stag]

just don’t take rogues and you’re fine.

[tulip gorge]

any predictions for class tuning?

I have a feeling sub is getting a 2-3% nerf

[tepid trellis]

firemage 4% nerf

arcane 8% buff

as allways

[hazy breach]

I would be surprised if they nerf sub

[tepid trellis]

looks too good in hc

its joever

[hallow sigil]

Or is it 4% buff for fire, the chosen child of blizzard

[lilac stag]

assa 4% aura buff
Outlaw 3% aura buff
Sub 3% nerf, 30% buff to BP

[tribal blade]

there's no shot they nerf sub

[lilac stag]

Heroic numbers say otherwise

[tribal blade]

the RWF meters were literally just WWs and fire mages

[lilac stag]

there’s no mythic data

Or very little

[haughty mural]

yea balance around normal please gut subtlety finally

kbp log was too good

[molten citrus]

pretty sure blizzard has their own data for mythic

[tribal blade]

sub is def not gapping other specs by that much right now

[void ocean]

with blackjack and hookers

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dice-bae-dice-bae-sprinkle-meme-gif-17023910

[molten citrus]

so, outlaw?

[hazy breach]

Too many cringelords private logging for wcl to have good data

Smh my head

[lilac stag]

The tier set mog alone should have told you guys to listen when I said outlaw tier.

[tribal blade]

oh shit sub actually on top on normal haha

that's hilarious

[swift tinsel]

Good thing I've been gearing dh

[hallow sigil]

I am somehow also worrying about sub nerfs coz of how good it looks in hc. I mean I'll play any rogue spec, but I gotta say sub is currently my favourite of the 3

[void hound]

same

[molten citrus]

yep

[lilac stag]

good thing ill train my doggos while on bench

[swift tinsel]

Plus we still don't have one in our raid lol

[molten citrus]

dh kinda fun

zoom zoom

[swift tinsel]

I've been having a great time in m+ on it

[smoky vault]

Oh you're like me

[swift tinsel]

It'll likely be my dungeon alt

[tribal blade]

the way i see it is so far sub is king on normal logs, and then the higher in difficulty you go the lower sub falls in rank

[smoky vault]

We dont have fire mage either so, our is playing frost

[swift tinsel]

since it'll only see raid on alt nights when we get to it

[lilac stag]

I do think since I’d not take a dagger from vault we roll bones on outlaw vault tomorrow.

[keen dome]

Not with that attitude. Let me just swapblast this guy off the edge of the boss arena....

[swift tinsel]

Nine swords inc

[smoky vault]

But i'm also only rogue

[lilac stag]

you’re cosmetic

DH useful

Buff those mages

[swift tinsel]

Plus you get giga funnel which feels sick

[keen dome]

My expectation for nerfing is: WW, Warlocks, DK's. And i think they'll buff Sub.

[lilac stag]

DK? What?

[swift tinsel]

Inb4 reverting sub tier nerf

[keen dome]

I am basis this expert opinion on nothing more than my guts

[molten citrus]

[swift tinsel]

back to 6% 4pc babyyyy

[smoky vault]

Buff sub ? You're ambitious

[void hound]

would be kino (it will never happen)

[molten citrus]

why on earth would dk get nerfed

[smoky vault]

They'll just tune tiers set

[keen dome]

I saw the doing big damage in keys and that's my entire academic opinion.

[molten citrus]

if anything hopefully they buff dk st

[smoky vault]

Maybe last nerf revert

[keen dome]

Really though I think WW is the most likely candidate to nerf.

[swift tinsel]

^^

[molten citrus]

yeh

[smoky vault]

+5% secTec and back to 10 stacks

[keen dome]

Everything else feels pretty in-line

[swift tinsel]

Fire too

[molten citrus]

they're even op in pvp

[smoky vault]

But yeah n M+ would be difficult balance

[molten citrus]

so a nerf is expected for sure

[swift tinsel]

scale back ignite cleave a bit

[smoky vault]

Since they are fire mages and emmental ... Guess sub is protected kind of

[hazy breach]

Hopefully they go for the nerf angle and not the buff angle

Because i dont think theyre touching sub either way

[keen dome]

ye

[lilac stag]

sub is getting a nerf solely based on the fact that there are more than 20 people playing it.

[hazy breach]

[keen dome]

Damn, critical mass.

[hazy breach]

Theyll buff assa by like 8%

And then were back the 12 sub players

[keen dome]

Also I keep running into sub rogues running 2 minute trinkets. And then I point them to PvP.

[smoky vault]

Assa more popular so yeah

[void ocean]

frost dk?

[swift tinsel]

Played with a sub rogue who was throwing BP's on first ToP boss

as trickster

[lilac stag]

playing tea

[swift tinsel]

maybe we could use a bit less popularity lol

Probably lol

[tribal blade]

disgusting

sub card revoked

[void ocean]

warn the church elders

[lilac stag]

I like ToP this season. I think I need mental help.

[keen dome]

Same, it owns

[swift tinsel]

Nah its my favorite as sub

[tribal blade]

ToP is pretty free

[keen dome]

I love the first boss

[swift tinsel]

I feel yuge

[tribal blade]

you get perma TFD resets

[keen dome]

Watch this!
9 million DPS

Dies to frontal

[lilac stag]

the visual changes are so nice

[void ocean]

when u get pulled for duel and dont wanna use cds... be like just kill me

[cursive vapor]

ToP is really chill actually

[smoky vault]

ToP has good Timings with big priority yeah

Excellent as sub

[tribal blade]

sub's damage profile is also quite good for ToP

[keen dome]

I think my favourite dungeon is Mechagon Workshop 'cos I am very fond of it from BfA, but ToP / Workshop / Motherlode are all superduper free keys imho

[tribal blade]

you have like... 1-2 pulls you actually use BP on

the rest are nimbling

[void ocean]

i hate that fucking puzzle

[lilac stag]

there’s also me wondering if you can killing spre a tornado cast and not get knocked off

[strange chasm]

unironically i think this will happen to some extent lol

[keen dome]

oooh

I wanna know

[swift tinsel]

I'll give it a shot sometime lol

Kinda wanna give trickster ol a shot

[strange chasm]

Has anyone tried both sub and sin in dungeons?

I feel like sin does uhh more damage overall

[keen dome]

Yeah but only in a 6

And they weren't very good

[swift tinsel]

Have only played sub this season

[tribal blade]

i want to try sin in cinderbrew

[keen dome]

I think Sub + Assa + X + Shammie heal would own

[tribal blade]

every other dungeon sub feels good

[strange chasm]

I compared PSF and sin def feels better there

[tribal blade]

nah 2 rogues is bad

[strange chasm]

on 12s

[tribal blade]

not worth stacking 2 rogues

[keen dome]

fine!

Sub + Ass + Sub + Shammie Healer would own

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[keen dome]

More rogues is the solution

[tribal blade]

fair enough

[void ocean]

so 3 rogues?

[swift tinsel]

why not 4?

healers cosmetic

[cursive vapor]

4 rogues and one heal rogue

[keen dome]

But yeah I agree, absolutely. We don't really bring enough to merit it, but I do want to try double Sub sometime

[swift tinsel]

okay maybe not this season

[keen dome]

Just completely truck bosses

[tribal blade]

that would be a good thing about running x2 sub in a key

[swift tinsel]

Just out-damage boss damage

[lilac stag]

Assa generally feels better if no shaman. Otherwise not noticing a difference except for what’s getting killed.

[tribal blade]

is you would annihilate bosses

[void ocean]

i mean u could be having attro in keys

[keen dome]

Also alternating burst for packs

I think it'd be a pretty interesting experiment

[swift tinsel]

Ooo that would be big

but would it even out with the other rogue doing nothing lol

[strange chasm]

I think its just mainly about the dungeon. PSF I do about 4.5 mil and only 3.5 on sub

[keen dome]

I guess it depends on the peak value and how quick stuff dies

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[lilac stag]

We can try it tonight? Hahah I still need to do some keys. Tornados and internet interfering this week.

[keen dome]

You'd have two basically immortal DPS though

[void ocean]

5 rogues tricking eachother in circle and boss not knowing who to hit untill it dies in confusion

[keen dome]

lmao

[swift tinsel]

vod please

[keen dome]

I keep applying to M+ groups that already have a rogue in it just on the off chance. Someday..

[tribal blade]

i have key plans already 😭

[lilac stag]

We had an ef1 hit a few miles from us this week. I love nado season.

[keen dome]

Curse the region boundry preventing science

[void ocean]

laughs in EU

[lilac stag]

nah it’s the govt adding stuff to the clouds.

[swift tinsel]

felt your guys' winds up here and threw branches all over

[keen dome]

Stay safe, buddy

[lilac stag]

That was mid week

We had summer weather. Fire advisories. Dust storms. Tornadoes and the snowfall in 24 hours.

Mother Nature be pissed

[keen dome]

Ah, I have found the problem with Mug'zee Heroic pugs

There aren't many, lamo

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

It’s probably tuned higher than Vexie mythic

[keen dome]

I should try to pug her, actually

[broken spindle]

guys i don't get WHY people do that backstab

in the opener

[light imp]

Dance macabre

[short radish]

[light imp]

Shadow dance is the vast majority of your damage, so it's a dps increase to use backstab for an extra stack of dance macabre for finisher damage rather than the shadow strike damage itself

[vale pine]

the backstab is not that big in damage impact

[tepid trellis]

inb4 they do another tuning parse with direct ability changes and then its suddenly not worth it anymore

[zealous raptor]

Just a quick Question though should i use this opener i kinda startet Using Shadowstrike>Flagelation>Rupture>All other cds and then as the prio says is it a big loss skiping the first Eviscerate ?

[tepid trellis]

neutral do the vanish or not

up to you

[vale pine]

i kind of wished backstab was just shadowstrike during shadow dance

[tepid trellis]

can just do strike-flag-rupture

if you dont want the longer opener

[vale pine]

the main diffrence is how fast you got to cooldowns, not doing the vanish is faster and as such can be better on certain fights

[twilit phoenix]

They should change danse macabre to Danse Corn on the Cobre

[light imp]

yeah that's typically what i do Strike - flag - transmitter - Rupture - resolve transmitter - Sb,sd,symbols, probably not optimal but it's my muscle memory at this point and it works

[tepid trellis]

well you would resolve transmitter on the sectech cast

[vale pine]

just wait till you get house of cards

and not need to solve transmitter anymore

such a change

[tepid trellis]

i wont get that for a long time 🙂

[sly shore]

not having to do transmitter is so liberating

[light imp]

i CANT wait man

[sly shore]

I'm happy I got pvp badge instead

[zealous raptor]

ok cause i wase Confused when THe simpler Opener had a Better result at the start of lets say One Armed Bandid HC. Kinda nice to have the vanish for the first adds when energy is kinda low

[sly shore]

for the minor loss

[serene owl]

does anyone know why ratfang toxin trinket sims so high

[vale pine]

vanish as more of an utility spell is rly cool

[jaunty heath]

I can send you my next one

[light imp]

yeah i usually save vanish for if i need a quick max cp cast of something

[lilac stag]

What kind of answer are you looking for besides it does dmg?

[serene owl]

its such a crap trinket though lowkey

[lilac stag]

Based on what?

[serene owl]

Your harmful spells and abilities apply Ratfang Toxin to your target, stacking up to 5 times.
Use: Release all toxin stacks to deal 750945 Nature damage, plus 85822 per stack over 5 sec. sims higher then my mechano-core amplifier

[lilac stag]

so why is it crap exactly?

[light imp]

Most damage trinkets scale with vers, we have high vers, therefor we do high trinket dam

[lilac stag]

do you just not like the tooltip?

[serene owl]

looks very assassination ew

[lilac stag]

I see

[light imp]

mechano core is just a flat stat buff, you get the flat stats while you're in between CDs it's essentially worthless vs having an on demand 1m+ trinket nuke

[lilac stag]

Just go farm a seaforium. It sounds cooler.

[light imp]

rogue life, i just need one more +10 for a second myth track vault and nobody inviting D:

[tepid trellis]

just push your own key to +10

[light imp]

but that requires effforrrrttttt

[tepid trellis]

ive got 0 issues pugging 10s but im guessing it might be a score/gear issue

[light imp]

probably, im never on at the same time my guild runs them

[tepid trellis]

less effort than sititng in PF for 3 hours tbh

[lilac stag]

I mean you’ve got 5 ilvl on most

[keen dome]

Yeah, same. I've had no issue getting into them around 655+ and 2300+. Pretty consistently invited

[lilac stag]

Are there any dead keys for pugs so far?

[keen dome]

I had everything at 9 then I moved to doing 10's

[light imp]

get out of here with your logical thinking and whatnot

[keen dome]

Also don't underimestat ethe power of putting half a joke in your note

So they have to invite you for the punchline

[light imp]

only 648 equip, i get my 4pc tomorrow with the catalyst charge but it's not like i get carried on damage

[ebon oyster]

why does it often happen to me that i press vanish into shadowstrike insta but my shadowstrike doesnt go off

[valid ocean]

if you are playing DPS and not extremely above average ilvl or score, you should push your own key at all times. you're purely wasting your own time

[eager locust]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

wait for the global to be finished

its a bug

[lilac stag]

You can’t do it instant

Wait for global

[ebon oyster]

hmm ok

[tepid trellis]

slowpoke scath

[ebon oyster]

throws me off when that happens

[tepid trellis]

boomer typer

[lilac stag]

yes
I
Am

[twilit phoenix]

was it trolling to take a heroic hoc instead of a myth tier chest in my first vault

[lilac stag]

OKAY?!?!!

[ebon oyster]

guess i go try replicating it on a dummy or sth

[twilit phoenix]

idk man the qol is so nice

[tepid trellis]

no

[lilac stag]

ALL CAPS MODE ENGAGED

[ebon oyster]

but maybe thats only a thing when its perma combat thing like a boss fight

[tepid trellis]

id do the same thing

[twilit phoenix]

[tepid trellis]

its unrealistic to play transmitter perfect all the time

and the what

15-25k dmg you loose on the myth track

is made up for that way

IMO

[twilit phoenix]

my transmitter wasn't even myth

i had a shitter 626 one

[light imp]

same

i'd take heroic hoc over anything

[valid ocean]

HoC is so contested it makes sense

[lilac stag]

transmitter changed how it works in sims like 5 times. Unless you’re hitting its pickup every Sectech, you go HoC. Also FOR YOUR SANITY

[fringe nest]

timewalking on my alt rogue

xd

[twilit phoenix]

based

i got the crit/haste cape

[lilac stag]

Would be more impressed if it was goon

[sly shore]

Should probably be prio on the 1.5m classes and not the 2m classes though

cos they can use signet of the priory

[olive mural]

I picked up the Rik dagger on my rogue

[lilac stag]

We prio it on 90 second specs that don’t have alternative.

[olive mural]

600 ilvl warlock got the eye lol

[sly shore]

yuh

that's monk and rogue if I recall

[lilac stag]

We gave one to a disc, ww and me

[sly shore]

makes sense

[lilac stag]

Devoker was a big upgrade but I think their gear was just shit

Wonder if we get balance notes today or tomorrow just before N.A. reset.

[twilit phoenix]

goon trinket

[gilded garden]

Can sub play swords/fists instead of dagger in OH?

[keen dome]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[keen dome]

Sadly not

[gilded garden]

Ah sadge but thanks

[limber folio]

so ive been told to go sub for rik, do we ST out of SD?

i would assume so

[twilit phoenix]

yeah you can send one sometimes

it's not something happening super often though

usually I can squeeze in a non-SD sectech after the 3rd/4th dance following my first flag window

before my 2nd set are up again

[limber folio]

i just need to learn this spec again

its been S1 SL since i last played

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[sly shore]

basically dance on cd's and for pyrotechnics only

like these

[limber folio]

dance on SD?

literally?

cd'

ops

hmmm alright

[twilit phoenix]

yo how do you filter view settings on WLOGs to make it look like this?

[lilac stag]

You can’t really yolo this version of sub

[gilded lodge]

#assassination message

they talked about it in #assassination last night. If you don’t need the add dps sin is fine

[limber folio]

thats not wlog

[sly shore]

this is llorgs

[twilit phoenix]

oh shit word ty

very based

[limber folio]

i wish, this is what i was told;
"i think we're at the point where we might need to replace you for someone that does more add damage"

even tho like

i dont think it really matters

[sly shore]

it's a make or break for the fight

if you miss add damage

you're not killing the boss

[limber folio]

true that

but would it make sense for me to learn a new spec in a few hours

do anything at all

than to play the spec ive played since october?

[sly shore]

should know how to play sub/assa at all times

outlaw can fuck off ofc

[limber folio]

nah im good

[tepid trellis]

i have a pov up on youtube where you can see how i dance

[limber folio]

just link it to me

thats how i learned off whisp tbh

[tepid trellis]

can just do 1to1 copy of that

[limber folio]

^

[tepid trellis]

its in my profile

[limber folio]

whisp showed me fundamentals

and then i just perfected the way i wanted to do it

or how it worked for me i guess

[lilac stag]

no self promoting so look at his profile link. .

[limber folio]

😴

[twilit phoenix]

self promotional links aren't TOS

will be reporting to the shadows team

[tepid trellis]

if its in context of the coversation

it is allowed

checkmate

fucker

[twilit phoenix]

please don't argue I'm already in a group call with ronk, koff, and whisp

[tepid trellis]

[twilit phoenix]

they're gonna make you goon on stream for penance

[tepid trellis]

@tepid raven this guy is being mean to me

what now?

[limber folio]

oh youre waiting for him to do first drop to go into cds

alright

[lilac stag]

Mute them

[tepid raven]

Who the fuck is being mean to my pookie

[twilit phoenix]

stealthi was shamelessly promoting personal links

smh my head

[twilit phoenix]

do you guys do dog shows together?

[tepid trellis]

your honor in my defense instead of typing out all the timers for RIKKA RIKKA RIVERB i told him he could watch me play the fight on my youtube

[limber folio]

tbh big difference between us and you guys @tepid trellis yall atleast got pumpers

[lilac stag]

My older one yes. Shes doing her first end of the month.

@tepid raven has seen it

[rotund briar]

Would it be alright to run Deathstalker in M+, or is Trickster just generally better in every other way? I don't have the new 4pc set yet. I'm still running the old 4pc and trying to get rid of Outlaw gear.

[tepid raven]

She's a talented pooch

[twilit phoenix]

trickster is pretty much better all around

[tepid trellis]

trickster will perform better yes

[twilit phoenix]

it feels much better to play too ngl

[tepid raven]

I would also not enjoy typing out all the timer

[keen dome]

Those ears 😻

[rotund briar]

The order is given then. Thank you, everyone. May your steps be relentless.

[keen dome]

@lilac stag After doing multiple 20% wipes to Mug'zee I think I prefer it to Bandit but lmao the chaos of P2 (3? the final one)

[limber folio]

man, the whole sequence opener just makes me confused

[lucid jackal]

Why

[glass jasper]

Yes, your first hour of TWW sub will make you dizzy

It passes

[limber folio]

from backstab into SD+S, into SB+sectech

[limber folio]

i dont think itll go over tho

[keen dome]

Mug'zee question: Can we cloak the freeze from the ice spears? I.e., hit cloak just before it hits us? or does it ignore the cloak immunity?

[glass jasper]

It does, we all had that feeling our first day of sub

[limber folio]

but this opener works right

its just the backstab into sectech makes me vomit as i said

[lucid jackal]

Why

[glass jasper]

!sd

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[glass jasper]

Use that macro and doubletap it

Then the backstab part is over

[tepid trellis]

can just skip that minmax

its like 0.5%

[limber folio]

idrc for minmax

i just need an opener guide 😭

[glass jasper]

Then replace backstab with shadow strike

And be alittle less dizzy

[limber folio]

so just SS > Flag > Rup > SD+S > SS > Sectec+SB > so on so forth

[glass jasper]

Pretty much

[limber folio]

and then when my first SD is down next SD i then CB into sectech?

[glass jasper]

Sounds correct

[slim kraken]

Tw box 😄

[glass jasper]

Can CB first sectech also if you don't care for minmax

[limber folio]

thats the thing

i had macroed CB into SB

but when i saw the sequence guide

i removed it

[glass jasper]

Yea if you are just going sub for one boss and dont really care for minmax

I would just keep it that way

[limber folio]

sure

tho, maybe ill play sub more

[lucid jackal]

If Ur playing sub for 1 boss, don't

Just play whatever spec instead

[limber folio]

if ill eventually get good at it

[glass jasper]

It's the most fun spec to play for sure

Once you get the hang of it

[limber folio]

hahahahah, tell that to my awful raidmates :D

[glass jasper]

Nothing in the game compares

[limber folio]

idk, im having a lot of fun with assa :(

[shell delta]

guys how do you deal with second boss in Priory, do we cast Cloak before entering soak or after to remove stack?

[limber folio]

pick up 2, precloak before you get into the last one is what i do as long as nobody else picks them up

[shell delta]

Thank you!

[clever delta]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[light imp]

Run my own keys you say. Two dps with 5-8 ilvl on me and 300 more score and we couldn't time a +9 top while I did something like 500k more dungeon dps than them 😭😭😭

[keen dome]

That's the key life 😦

[dreamy oasis]

Is there a comand for good WAs?

[sterile kiln]

if I'm looking to minmax should I cast symbols after the backstab following shadow dance so I consume all the rotten stacks with shadowstrike instead? or is it negligible

[twilit phoenix]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[twilit phoenix]

the biggest Rotten min max you can do is consuming a charge on shuriken storm in aoe

ST is really negligible

on 7+ send a storm to apply FW to everything

[limber folio]

where am i using vanish tho is the question

[light imp]

is FW still just 30% armor ignore or does it still copy finishers for shadow damage? or was that baked into shadow blades, i dont pay attention to changes, i just look at rotation guides and go lol

[hazy breach]

Both

Its 10% more phys damage (aka the armor reduction) and it allows shadowed finishers

But at this point its uptime is so high that it might aswell not exist and the effects could just be baseline

[swift tinsel]

If only

[light imp]

ahh i see the shadowed finisher talent now

[hazy breach]

As far as im aware the only thing it does is make sure that every single new mechanic we get is bugged and doesnt affect shadowed finishers until we complain enough and they fix it

[light imp]

miss the days when shadow dance WAS the Sub rogue cooldown and FW was 100% lol

[swift tinsel]

[hazy breach]

What

[light imp]

70% i forget, whatever it was back in cata

we got shadow blades in mop i think? then shadow dance shifted into a rotational ability from being a cooldown

[paper iron]

old sub

[hazy breach]

Current sub

[paper iron]

Current outlaw

[graceful rock]

as a newer player, sub is the most fun spec ive played

the 90s of mailing it in between CDs is worth the blasting

[swift tinsel]

Outside of some qol stuff I'm quite content with the playstyle

[kind bluff]

Wondering what the class changes will be post rwf

[light imp]

i mean there's a reason im STILL a sub rogue since cata, still by far the most fun spec to play for me

[hazy breach]

I could do without the rotten storm on aoe stuff and backstab in dance, but besides that its incredibly fun

[light imp]

but i can't lie the reason i got into sub was back in wotlk the way the game worked back then backstab and ambush were massive hitters and the fact they were our fillers drew me into playing sub

[hazy breach]

But those are nitpick complaints anyway, the overarching gameplay loop is satsifying as hell for me

[kind bluff]

I meant to ask about backstab in dance. Why do you waste rotten on it vs using after rotten?

[swift tinsel]

Remove rotten storm/danse tech, merge flag/blades effects, very slight increase on dance cdr and I'd never complain

oh and remove FW

[hazy breach]

Because you'd lose uptime on symbols during dance doing it

[spice matrix]

danse macabre

[hazy breach]

Since inev extends it

And strike doesnt deal enough to warrant it

[swift tinsel]

Make shadow finishers turn evisc/bp into full shadow not split dam during dance instead of tied to fw

[paper iron]

make strike overwirte bs in dance

gg fixed

[hazy breach]

But also you can just not play rotten in ST

And play finality instead

[paper iron]

will happen eventually anyway, they did it for outlaw / assa, idk why sub didnt get the treatement

[twilit phoenix]

pvp gloves are verst/mast

[paper iron]

[lucid jackal]

They didnt' do it for outlaw tho

U can still cast SS in subterfuge/dance

[twilit phoenix]

back to crate farming we go tonight

[spice matrix]

Delve too 🙂

[lucid jackal]

And you can still cast mutilate in stealth too

[twilit phoenix]

delves

[swift tinsel]

Isn't it just audacity

that swaps

for outlaw

[lucid jackal]

What they did was they changed the "stealth ability proc" to "Upgrade" rather than "allow"

[kind bluff]

How many pvp items can we get so far? I'll be farming them today and tmoro

[paper iron]

yea that s procs

[lucid jackal]

Dance isn't the same at all

[spice matrix]

but... Suspicious energy drink

[paper iron]

i guess

[twilit phoenix]

is there a full loot table for delves btw?

[twilit phoenix]

we got the hero track one week one baby

[kind bluff]

After trinket neck boots.

[spice matrix]

never lucky

[swift tinsel]

and sin only swaps with blindside iirc

[twilit phoenix]

i guess it's still worth doing once a week with the delver's bounty map thing

but I think gloves will end up being a crafted slot anyways

maybe mythic mugzee gloves will end up being a bit better, but that's a long way away

[paper iron]

gloves / back i guess at the end

from what i remember from fuu's sims

[twilit phoenix]

yeah I think trashmaster's cloak is still good

fuu said there are like 20 diff gear combos that sim basically the same

[swift tinsel]

I'm probably catalyzing mine

[paper iron]

vers crit neck will be fine, still good to have some

[twilit phoenix]

pvp neck gaming for now

[hazy breach]

Obviously just depends on what you loot

[swift tinsel]

idk yet plus I'm still gearing so it doesn't matter

[twilit phoenix]

you're not already giga optimized?

smh my head

[swift tinsel]

Lmao with my 0pc

so optimized

its okay I get 4pc tomorrow

then I gain 4pc bonus and like 8 overall ilvls

[twilit phoenix]

yeah when I got 4pc last week, I went from 646ish to like 655 insta

[lilac stag]

Good news. 8 is easier to 2 chest.

[twilit phoenix]

gonna craft boots this week I think

myth dagger from richard reverb

[swift tinsel]

I went with neck craft bc its like 50 ilvl upgrade lol

[twilit phoenix]

yeah neck will prolly end up being my last craft I think

but for sure a crafted slot

[swift tinsel]

I have lens boot/cloak from last season so those are next

unless I swap to gloves but I have good hero track ones in my bags

[sly shore]

I used the free hc crest for neck

[swift tinsel]

yeah same, I need to run one 7 to get it up to 675

[sly shore]

cos upgrading myth track items is way better than a high neck

[hazy breach]

Ye assuming you have myth track items to upgrade

[swift tinsel]

I won't hit that threshold for a bit so I'll have plenty of gilded by then

^

[sly shore]

I have 3 atm

[swift tinsel]

I'll be lucky to get one or two pieces from raid, the rest are all vault

[strange chasm]

I crafted a cloak lol

[sly shore]

I got chest, shoulders and belt

[swift tinsel]

unless I find a mythic guild to run with weekly

[sly shore]

chest was from vault though

[swift tinsel]

on top of the guild I get aotc with

since we extendo our myth prog with that one

[limpid sage]

do you delay your cast if you're unsure you'll get it within SD with 4-set?

[hazy breach]

What

Delay what

[limpid sage]

any cast

to not lose stacks of tier set

[hazy breach]

Your shadow dance should always have 8 casts in it

And during blades you should be casting dance immediately once your first dance ends

But outside of that no, you do not hold everything for the tier set

[sly shore]

if you can't dance back to back in cd's

you messed up

[hazy breach]

It can be alright to do ruptures or snds at the end of a pack in m+ right before a big pull where you have your cooldowns ready.

But generally you dont play around the tierset

The chance it drops is not that high after all, its 85% chance to keep your stacks

[limpid sage]

ye but doesn't it fuck your opener if you do lose it on that one gcd?

[hazy breach]

There shouldnt be one gcd

[sly shore]

that's why you back to back dance

as soon as one dance finishes you dance instantly

[limpid sage]

I'll try specify after my key

[fervent gust]

hey, if my flagellation and shadowblades do net align with dance and symbol, do i need to wait until dance and symbol comes back up to pull all together?

[light imp]

silver linings!

[hazy breach]

Yes, but ideally you shouldve delayed symbols and dance for the flag

[fervent gust]

aight ty

[red raven]

new-ish to rogue and nooby question: should I have highest ilvl dagger in mainhand or offhand?

[hazy breach]

Mainhand

[red raven]

legend thank you ❤️

[paper iron]

i ll loot everything eventually (but transmitter kek)

[jagged perch]

does anyone know if hekili is any good for sub?

[viscid barn]

It will get you mostly the right rotation, its not perfect and will suggest things out of order occasionally. Mostly when you mess up your rotation with accidental presses or in m+

[dusk nest]

!talents

[short owl]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[strange rover]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[queen kraken]

yo fellow rogues, any ncie to know stuff for rik mythic besides evasion in cds on the dropdown aoe?

[humble aspen]

is it ok to press another button whilst coup de grace is in its animation

or do i have to pause pressing until it finishes

[viral phoenix]

wait is that a thing? if you evasion the amplifier circle u dont get stunned?

[chrome palm]

you dont need to wait. keep in mind coup de grace will proc shadowcraft at any point during the animation

[queen kraken]

when he drops down u can evas

[humble aspen]

it guarantee procs full combo points?

oh it gives a point for each swipe

i see

[chrome palm]

if you have full shadow techniques it will fill your combo points

i.e., if you are at 6 shadow techniques when you press coup, and during the coup animation you get another shadow techniques, you will proc shadowcraft

[queen kraken]

another question, which i havent seen so far so sorry if i didnt see it. if u got coup up and sectec, which one to do first? coup for flawless form or sectec first cuz coup gives u a ton of cdr

[tepid trellis]

regular dances

coup first

if fazed is up

in flag dances, sectech first

to get 2x sectech during trinket/blades

[distant jackal]

Quick question, is my 645 Mechano-core Amp supposed to be simming higher than 658 Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker & Azerokk's Resonating Heart. My on-use trinket is Funhouse Lens ( talking about Dungeon-Slice M+ sim)

[glass jasper]

Probably, the proccs from the other two are useless when they happen outside of cds

[distant jackal]

Alright, thought it might be a case of Dungeon slice sims being a bit unreliable

[humble aspen]

does it matter if all of sectec is inside of blades, say i use last global of blades does it stil lcount

[swift tinsel]

if clones land outside blades they won't be buffed

[golden totem]

no

[humble aspen]

usually i get 2nd sec tec with 3/4 globals left

ok thought that might be the case

[golden totem]

also why would sectec be your last blade gcd ever

[humble aspen]

just if it happened

[swift tinsel]

they do not snapshot from the phys hit

[humble aspen]

out of curiosity

[golden totem]

yea it does not snapshot

[humble aspen]

sound

[glass jasper]

Damn sub is useless without CDs, just did a unbuffed, no cd sectech on dummy, 980k total. Full CDs sectech 12.2m

Might aswell go afk when cds arent up

[swift tinsel]

it do be like that

[golden totem]

you still have to farm dances

[glass jasper]

Yea sadly

😄

[golden totem]

sub life

as it should be

[glass jasper]

Yea it's fun

But also hilarious to do more than 12x damage inside CDs 😄

[placid elk]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[twilit phoenix]

brann is legit the worst part about delves

he kites shit into walls

and then it clips under ground and evades

wish you could just queue delves without him ngl

[chrome palm]

stix prog pull

[bleak night]

i mean you kind of can

just put him as tank and he'll die instantly

ez

[icy mulch]

It feels awful doing like 0 damage to bombshells above 80% hp but so good to be the person killing everything when it comes into melee

[chrome palm]

my raid lead was screaming "red alert" whenever the boomie got the ball for us to go hit bombshellsl ol

[icy mulch]

Ya we did the same

If I heard the call, I’d use the dance I was saving on one or 2 if I could find them stacked on the wall

[chrome palm]

sub doing bombshells is a symbolic gesture

[golden totem]

xdd

Glad I'm not raiding this tier

[icy mulch]

When all 6 hyenas have the damage amp on them

[steel horizon]

i just realized that the tier cloak is vers/mast

[viral girder]

Why is my rogues personal resource display like... 3x bigger than all of my other characters for no reason

[glass jasper]

What are we all praying that vault brings us this week? I'm thinking eye of kezan or some myth tier set.

[hollow snow]

not enough mastery

[quick latch]

is it okay to use sectec without dance when holding it for big cds -30sec

[viral girder]

Need a serious answer lmao

[glass jasper]

I do if I'm sure it will be back up for CDs

[paper iron]

it can be ok as long as you re sure you re getting it off cd when your CDs are coming back

[jaunty heath]

Just do timewalking I swear we got like 6 eyes in our guild from that

[paper iron]

aka have enough uptime to cdr it

[jaunty heath]

Something ain’t right

My priest got mugzees jar and my mage got eye

[cursive vapor]

think you can disable that in the settings

[glass jasper]

I got crit haste bracers from timewalking (:

[jaunty heath]

Unlucko

[viral girder]

Im liking the personal resource display. Thats not the issue. Just wondering why my rogues bigger than all the others

[cursive vapor]

search for personal resource and something like 'bigger display'

[glass jasper]

Or if it was cloak, don't remember. It was crit haste and useless

[cursive vapor]

yes you can turn it smaller

[bleak wind]

I think larger nameplates option affects it as well

[viral girder]

Its larger nameplayers

nameplates

I dont know why thats on my rogue....

Must have been accidentally turned on.

[hollow snow]

told you it was the mastery

[viral girder]

I know I need more mastery. I only have 53%

Im trying to balance out 5 characters for raiding and gearing

Its.

Not the easiest

[hollow snow]

yeah that sounds brutal

[viral girder]

4-5 characters with 4 raid days

I am gearing my evoker for my raid group.
getting brewmaster and my rogue geared for my brothers raid group.
I wanna start gearing my disc priest on the side again seeing that its been reworked and is actually good in raid now

[hollow snow]

id wait till the imminent class tuning before hard committing

but if you enjoy playing it, play it

[lucid jackal]

They usually dont execute classes mid season

THey wait until the .5 to really gut classes

I doubt WW for example gets anything other than like, a 5% nerf

[hollow snow]

fury warrior is on line 3

[lucid jackal]

Or maybe an 8% nerf, and then a bug fix that gives them more damag

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I'd be surprised if anything above 5% to any ability

[lucid jackal]

Fury is ""Sleeper"" good

Most ppl are just focused on WW/Fire atm for "being OP"

Even tho like dev, fury, shadow are just as good

[hollow snow]

no i meant like from last tier

[swift tinsel]

Our fury has been destroying

[hollow snow]

cause of heroic week etc

[lucid jackal]

Fury and arms are both fucking busted

[swift tinsel]

granted dudes' fucking cracked

[clever delta]

They have data now

I'm ready for rogue buff

[viral girder]

On the note of all those toons. I also wanna get my guardian druid back

Im an altaholic

Its a problem

[vale pine]

wdym rogue buff, rogue is 2nd best dps in raid

[bleak night]

god i hope they nerf outlaw

[swift tinsel]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

(heroic)

[bleak night]

actually thats pretty funny

[sick jackal]

yall think rik reverb can fall in 3hours?

[bleak night]

its only like a 6 minute fight so yeah

[strange chasm]

wdym its a tie for first

lul