subtlety

[young mural]

idk though

[sudden breach]

cool cool

[swift tinsel]

autos miss/parry afaik

[young mural]

i dont think theres dodges on bosses too

imagine getting a sectech miss and destroying your burst window

that'd be fun no?

[past token]

it hella is when assas get their kingsbane parried

[rotund rock]

this happened to me so many times last tier lmfao

[past token]

same

[lethal thorn]

even when i sim all the gem it sim lower for me

[wicked urchin]

on our queen kill i got parried 3 times in my first deathmark lmfao

[vale pine]

nice

[proven plover]

man 4set is popping

[young mural]

i wish i had it

[swift tinsel]

I've officially replaced every slot except tier pieces

[young mural]

on that 0pc boat

[swift tinsel]

but I can get it next week with cata and vault

[young mural]

already cleared normal this week

[swift tinsel]

unless I get 0 vault tier

[proven plover]

do delves

[young mural]

woo

good to see theres cucked people like me 0pc after all this time

[proven plover]

if I hadnt done my delves

[wicked urchin]

im at 654 ilvl with 626 transmitter still

[proven plover]

I wouldnt have 4set now

[wicked urchin]

doin pretty good

[proven plover]

lmao

[swift tinsel]

I do 9 slots each week

[young mural]

me too

1st vault gave me a total of 0 tier pieces

[proven plover]

dam

[swift tinsel]

3x 11, rest 8 delves

[young mural]

weekly timewalking no tier pieces

[swift tinsel]

I took HoC from vault

[young mural]

1st normal clear no pieces

[swift tinsel]

only normal but so worth it

[young mural]

2nd normal clear no pieces but normal HoC too

[swift tinsel]

got gloves from 2x normal clears as my only drop so far from raid

[proven plover]

I've bit the bullet

and got pvp trinket

[young mural]

yhea we're fucking done with transmitter

[wicked urchin]

I'm waiting a couple weeks before I subject myself to pvp

[young mural]

goodbye dumbass trinket

[wicked urchin]

as you can probably see i hate transmitter

[proven plover]

u can legit go to DF and fly around zone to zone in warmode, checking when war supply cache dropps

u get 60 conquest from 1 chest

[swift tinsel]

depends on your server and pvp situation

[proven plover]

absolutely 0 skill required and its chill watching something in meantime

[young mural]

yhea its so easy to farm 1 trinket keichii you should do it if you really hate transmitter

[swift tinsel]

unless they're getting camped by opposite faction too

[proven plover]

ye ok my server cluster was pretty dead

I had to 1v1 like 2 times

and both times they ran away

[vale pine]

energy dring is just very good

[young mural]

ill give heroic a try this weekend

[swift tinsel]

I tried for a bit yesterday and each chest was at least 10-12 alliance vs maybe 6 horde

[proven plover]

in old zones?

they drop in BFA DF etc

[somber tendon]

it's actually theoretically a DPS loss compared to kezan cus i'll prolly get it at a lower ilvl than 658 (which is what I simmed it at)

[swift tinsel]

Oh really? thought it was just TWW zones that still drop conq

[proven plover]

no its legit all zones theres the supply caches

[swift tinsel]

Ah, in either case I've got my cards so I'm good now lol

[proven plover]

might be unintended idk

[young mural]

mechano-core sims better than drink for me

am i cooked?

[twilit phoenix]

Drink goes insanely hard

[young mural]

d slice

[twilit phoenix]

If you can get a 665 drink, it’s basically a sidegrade to every myth track dung trink

Only like .3% behind for me

[somber tendon]

so how does that go "insanely hard"

if it's a sidegrade

[young mural]

sidegrade to myth as hero

[twilit phoenix]

For a farmable delve trinket it goes hard

[young mural]

is insanely hard

[vale pine]

sims good as well

[bleak night]

because its hero track being comparable to myth track

that goes pretty hard

[vale pine]

idk don't have the trinekt to test

[young mural]

kinda strange, sometimes it gives me crit and not haste that is truly my lowest 2nd stat

it just procs crit rarely

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/e46ade6057e10267446c5eb6cc94bab9 First try baby

[young mural]

gz dawfg

[past token]

i only have a 619 transmitter how fucked am i bros?

[proven plover]

idk how to feel about it but https://www.wowhead.com/item=159612/azerokks-resonating-heart sims highest for me atm on droptimizer

[twilit phoenix]

Just farm out the pvp trinket

[proven plover]

surely pacemaker is better right?

[twilit phoenix]

Than what

[proven plover]

than the one I linked one msg above

the agi proc

[twilit phoenix]

Azzerok’s goes hard tho

[slate lantern]

goes insanely hard?

[true fable]

is it good uptime?

[twilit phoenix]

It’s not as good as the sussy drink from delves, but it’s not awful

Defs more rng

[proven plover]

well I topped 17 mil on first pull in meadery with it but I kinda feel like its never going to be up when I want it to

[west tide]

guys do i craft neck or boots

i will never have gold for the boe boots

i am always at 40k gold

max

[twilit phoenix]

Just go boots then

[swift tinsel]

trust your heart (sim)

[twilit phoenix]

Wrist is from bandit and belt from cauldron

But sim it

[west tide]

they sim the same basically

[young mural]

@vale pine when doing a droptimizer for the 2nd spark craft i can ignore embellishments and just sim the stats right?

[twilit phoenix]

Omar imma kiss you bro

[young mural]

cause i dont think droptimizer sims for every embellishments

[bleak night]

you can top gear it

[twilit phoenix]

Ya you gotta top gear it manually

[young mural]

bruh

[twilit phoenix]

Pretty sure all those slots take elemental focusing lens

[west tide]

what tthe HECK

[vale pine]

you can just use the pinned text document from #tc-research

[young mural]

nice

ill do that for the 1st time

[clever delta]

so guys do we delay cds at pull on rick reverb or no?

i just checking logs and its like 50/50 so not sure whats the benefit or doing either

[swift tinsel]

I did and obliterated barrels

[twilit phoenix]

Stealthi was saying delaying by like 14 seconds

[swift tinsel]

which was helpful bc others were not quite so keen on killing them

[vale pine]

you can if you want to pad, if you want damage on the boss just pop evasion and avoid the ground attack this way

rly depends on your task in the raid

add duty, can delay

[twilit phoenix]

servers still borked rip

wheres my compensatory game time

[lavish lark]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[twilit phoenix]

between this and the omega lag the other night

[swift tinsel]

Just in time for me to go to other job

[bleak night]

actually though

i normally dont care about it much but this is a bit excessive at this point

[swift tinsel]

Hop on, craft neck, hop off, servers die

[twilit phoenix]

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-milhouse-everythings-coming-up-gif-4104335

[twilit phoenix]

i just need like less than 100 conq for the pvp neck

please bro let me bg

[shrewd shadow]

i've been rocking https://www.wowhead.com/item=219308/signet-of-the-priory at 8/8 it gives me over 8K master

kinda nutty

[alpine wraith]

that one is quite bad vs transmitter

[shrewd shadow]

since i never got transmitter

never got it so

[alpine wraith]

you can try pvp trinket

[edgy zenith]

what kinda overall in keys we looking at?

hacha eleem?

i don't have 4set yet

but want to get a feel

[plush roost]

I did 4 mil in a floodgate 12 earlier

3.2m in workshop

[twilit phoenix]

classic servers work

but retail doesn't

huh

[edgy zenith]

okay, that sounds about right

[bleak night]

i logged out to go eat

[hexed dagger]

sims say max heroic house of cards is a 10k loss over my transmitter lol

[bleak night]

and this happened

[hexed dagger]

love that for me

[bleak night]

sad time

[young mural]

sim it dungeon slice

and be free from doing chores

[hexed dagger]

idc about dungeons

but yeah QoL would be the only reason at this point

[young mural]

then you must suffer

[young roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow condor]

guys what s our 2nd craft after weapon? Boots / back?

[lapis hatch]

Depends on tank and pulls

[twilit phoenix]

servers are back

[valid ocean]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[cold trellis]

any idea why this trinket sim less than skardyn ?

it basicly have more agi, more mastery

same cd, same uptime?

[proper beacon]

Is this correct?

Both rings are 658

[sturdy moat]

would you guys ever swap improved shuriken storm for shadow focus in m+?

[young mural]

fuck no

[sturdy moat]

heard u, saw a couple videos with no imp shuriken storm talented and was a bit confused

[young mural]

idk if it has that much of an impact but applying find weakness to all mobs around you seems pretty strong

and shadow focus doesnt seem that strong

[daring agate]

anyone know of a weak aura that tracks refunded combo points from Shadowcraft? i've looked all over wago and cant find one

[hexed dagger]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[daring agate]

perfect. i thank you

[chilly ingot]

Is there a good explanation for exactly when to use the shadowdance/symbols in ST when flag/shadow blades are on cool down? I find im having trouble keeping damage up when they are and its killing my overall (I know it will be less but im not optimizing it during the main cool downs)

[gritty knot]

unpopular opinion: the fact that u have to fkn use transmitter until u get house of cards is just completely stupid. idk how many times now my orb was bugged or gone into nowhere in dungeons and i missed the buff

[oak grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/get-your-sparks-of-fortunes-14-march-565741

[slate lantern]

Well fack ur dmg and run pvp trinket!

[gritty knot]

ye u maybe got a point there. I simmed it tho and it was an around 60k dps loss

idk

[hollow spear]

How much of a loss you think losing your orb is? 😄

[gritty knot]

ye exactly. Desperate times need desperate measures 😄

maybe its time for that pvp trinket

[ornate heron]

what does this mean?

by second press?

[gritty knot]

where do i get the 2nd half spark this week tho?

[daring agate]

the guy in dorn

by the catalyst

i just got mine

[pulsar gate]

Sub is our best spec for M+ rn?

[gritty knot]

yes he gives those out for free now after that hotfix. but the other half? with that 100 titan fragment weekly quest?

[daring agate]

ill be honest i forget where i got it lol. but it has a chance to drop from there, yeah

[ornate heron]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[gritty knot]

ok thx 🙂

[steep cave]

Question. I've simmed and get a 31k upgrade by breaking my tier 4 set from season 1 to tier 2 season 2. Is it really worth it or should i wait until i have 4 set?

[daring agate]

that's an interesting macro for sod

[slate lantern]

Your best spec isn't my best spec

[round latch]

the best rogue spec in general

close behind is sin

[oblique notch]

!embellishment

[twilit phoenix]

people dying to the mini copters in motherlode

[oblique notch]

is there a pinned comment on embellishments or somewhere else?
Or could you tell me what you guys play for m+ gaming only? 😄

[twilit phoenix]

is so cringe it's unreal

literally just zerging and not watching

how do you feed yourself bro

[bleak night]

i dont think they have to dodge rocket barrages to get food normally

[round latch]

[pulsar gate]

About to turbo gear sub, was playing WW they seem similar in the burst window gameplay

Rogue gotta be best melee push class if damage is good right?

[oblique notch]

What embellishments do you guys play for m+?

[round latch]

we cant know yet

[twilit phoenix]

what if they live in the west bank

[round latch]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[pulsar gate]

Good dam, utility, cheat death, stack vers

That’s bis

[round latch]

sub has very strong dmg atm,rest have all 3 specs

sin lacks ST

sub destroys bosses

thats the only difference

[pulsar gate]

Nice I love that

[oblique notch]

but those guides say 3x different combos of embellishments btw

[bleak night]

because it barely matters

some are slightly better in some content than others

but they all suck pretty equally

[honest saddle]

Do you care about boss dam? Add dam? Either way it's within .5%

[oblique notch]

Whats better for each of those 2 options?

Focusing lens + lining
or Ascension + writhing?

[pulsar gate]

Is the rotation engaging?

[round latch]

Best Embellishments for Subtlety Rogues
For Subtlety Rogue, the best Embellishments are:
Elemental Focusing Lens Elemental Focusing Lens
Elemental Focusing Lens Elemental Focusing Lens
The current best option for Subtlety with an optimal gear setup is two copies of Elemental Focusing Lens Elemental Focusing Lens .

like ye rest are weaker

idk what u are reading

[honest saddle]

ascension is better for aoe

ever so slightly

its really really small diff

[round latch]

it doesnt matter

like idk,u boys read the guide

[bleak night]

rip link for mr racoon

zzOld DO Not Use(DNT) is my favorite embellishment

[round latch]

racoon

[honest saddle]

I run double lens personally, because ultimately bosses need to die

aoe is kinda pad

if all you do is run m+ then you could run ascension and its fine

[oblique notch]

does it matter which sockets or how many are socketed for it?
Or doesnt matter at all

[honest saddle]

I think ascension is also good for sin

[wicked urchin]

oh

[honest saddle]

yeah, pretty much.

[vale pine]

probably wrong spell id

[round latch]

conflicted information

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=222873/duskthread-lining

or
https://www.wowhead.com/item=222870/dawnthread-lining

[vale pine]

is there some?

[bleak night]

nope

[vale pine]

embellishments are pmuch whatever, just use 2. Dawn or dusk have dependence on health state and as such might be less reliable

[round latch]

(no im just waiting for stealthi to step in,trying to bait the raccoon coz he owned me yday)

[tepid trellis]

lol wtf is that

[round latch]

(bait worked)

[tepid trellis]

wowhead changed the fucking link -.-

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pulsar gate]

What’s fastest way to go 70-80

[bleak night]

dungeons

timewalking normally faster than regular iirc

[pulsar gate]

gross

Then gearing wise - delves and M0?

[round latch]

generally play the game but ye

delves and m+

[pulsar gate]

Is vers buff worth for defensive value?

[round latch]

u can get veteran/champion gear from weekly stuff

[pulsar gate]

Yeah

[round latch]

and a hero track from delves if u have the toy

to trigger underpin

[pulsar gate]

I do be having toys

So don’t craft a wep?

[vale pine]

vers and mastery are both good

[pulsar gate]

Might go double vers just to be xtra tanky

[round latch]

u dont rly need that all that much

just build normally,dmg is more important

the faster u kill the less u have to endure

[fickle mason]

PVP TRINKET shows like a 100k loss, is that correct?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ZuseQLmZivbLZVz7uUUek

[alpine wraith]

read #tc-research

signet has weird thingies

would need to add this actions.precombat+=/variable,name=trinket_sync_slot,value=2

[modest delta]

are 658 rings simming higher than circlet sim bait?

i feel like there no way same ilvl rings are better than circlet

[old scroll]

guys as sub rogue how should i sim for dungeons

shld i use dung slice

or

just patchwerk

[molten citrus]

Swap your trinket slots and try again

Or do what hacha said

[molten citrus]

D slice ye

[old scroll]

cheers

[glacial hinge]

question, do we have a tendency to save winning streak stacks before going into cd's? and do we save to filler dances aswell?

[tepid trellis]

dont really bother playing around it

on avg it doesent matter at all

[fickle mason]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5KTfUyYKwFFWPYH9jVzPiW

still wierd, have it on slot 1 and 2, is it bugged?

[random hare]

Bruh

I think my keybind got fucked when I did PvP or someshit and backstab wasn’t on my stealth bar

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

No wonder it felt so quiet

[ornate heron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[vital sage]

what did you all use your 2nd spark on? sims are telling my neck is fattest upgrade but, I see according to fuu's sims cloak and weapon are endgame bis crafted items
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f98xc3XEeShdUSizGup35E

[paper iron]

i wish no rogue to progress stix

i swer

this boss a pain

[molten citrus]

read what hacha said and check out the last conversations in #tc-research pacemaker is bugged in sims if in slot 1

[tepid trellis]

why do you think we sit it?

[molten citrus]

you have to literally swap slots around or add the string hacha wrote to the sim..

[acoustic lodge]

i got the bracers from rik with a socket. crit haste is not goosd for us

[teal prawn]

How high did you get your rating

[random hare]

Idk

How much is 5 wins out of 20 matches

Around that

[teal prawn]

One day you’ll be good

[random hare]

I was good I guess

2.2k

Didn’t invest much time too

[paper iron]

yea we just did few pulls with the comp from rik to check weakauras and quickly some boss mecanic. CD usage looks garbage, being melee at all look garbage, adds look garbage, my croissant looks garbage, even my toilet paper looks garbage i asked to sit it for several reason

[random hare]

Was playing for fun ig

[paper iron]

also atro great raid buff kek

[proper beacon]

What are the bis gems on Cyrce´s Circlet

[heady garden]

Amorphous Relic on dungeonslice sim bait? 675 cards vs 665 relic

[rancid axle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit phoenix]

is the zzOld Do Not Use (DNT) embell better than focusing lens for raid?

[hazy breach]

Why are we comparing a 675 (?) house of cards and a 665 relic to begin with

House of cards is your active trinket, relic would be your passive trinket.

I would also suggest not touching gear compare but just doing it through topgear instead.

[heady garden]

They're not competing I guess but just to show how big amorphous is

apparently

[daring agate]

at what point do we replace circlet?

[paper iron]

when the sim tell u so

[hazy breach]

Roughly 670, per the pin

[hazy zenith]

jo guys, is there a weakaura out to give me an audio signal, when shadow technique is about to give me combo points? i miss it way too often in my dance and symbols window, and waste the combo point by using shadowstrike instead of spending

[hazy breach]

But yes when the sim says so

[random hare]

React faster

Or get ur spellqueue down to 100

[tepid trellis]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hazy breach]

It is not particularly big though. Sure its not horrid anymore but its still way worse than the good delve trinket options

[hazy zenith]

i try, but it doesnt overwriote my already done action

[nova lodge]

!weakaura

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[random hare]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hazy zenith]

i already have one of those

[paper iron]

there must be a weakaura that does that, or it should not be too hard to configure from an existing sht tracker. Otherwise the 1st one in utility is gorgeous, just need to react and keep an eye on your stacks

[hexed dagger]

pvp neck is really good

so much vers

[random hare]

PvP neck can suck my balls

U need to farm sockets

Just craft a neck and gg

[honest saddle]

NOPE

[hexed dagger]

yeah it took like 2 days. annoying af but rather do that than fish for dungeon drop tbh

[random hare]

There’s literally no dungeon neck

It’s the only good one

[hazy breach]

You were done with the honor by the time you had the conquest

[gleaming locust]

just gonna craft a neck

[hazy breach]

But yes its probably just easier to craft

[honest saddle]

farming pvp sockets

[hexed dagger]

yeah gonna craft it third

[hazy breach]

Now that we have another spark

[honest saddle]

NO SHOT

[random hare]

That’s not true what

[hexed dagger]

not pushing pvp rating up lol

[hazy breach]

Literally is thouhg

[hexed dagger]

yeah extremely false

[tepid trellis]

can just take a ShT stack tracker and add a condition that plays a sound when it hits 7 stacks

[hazy breach]

Its 10k honor

[random hare]

What do u farm conquest from? Normal bg’s or what

[hexed dagger]

yeah conquest takes 5 seconds to get

[random hare]

Ye

Honor is way harder

Lmao

[hazy zenith]

great idea, thx

[random hare]

U farm conquest from 2s or 3s

Takes like

[tepid trellis]

i did it from weekly quests

[random hare]

20 mins to get a neck if ur good

[tepid trellis]

took me 30min

and 8 of those minutes was waiting in wintergrasp queue

[hexed dagger]

winning epic bgs with the quest gives you 1000 honor though

those are nice to get

[random hare]

brb sleep

[molten citrus]

noob

[random hare]

no u

https://tenor.com/view/no-u-gif-20188238

[molten citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-break-gif-1263358144275544702

[hexed dagger]

someone in arena was like “i’ve never seen sub do so much damage” im like dawg idek I have my cauldron of carnage loadout on

[hazy zenith]

works perfect, with such low effort;) thx a lot!!

[honest saddle]

any thoughts on why my shadow techniqe weak aura isnt showing stacks?

[fickle mason]

+TY now its working

[sly shore]

I crafted neck with the free hc crest

Easy choice

[honest saddle]

is it because its charges and not stacks?

[tepid trellis]

it is stacks

[hazy zenith]

same thign for the game

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten citrus]

[hazy zenith]

try without exact spell id, it sometimes doesnt work as far as i know

[honest saddle]

yeah?

[sly shore]

It always works with spell ID for me

[hazy zenith]

had problems with it in the past at least

[sly shore]

Just check your text isn't offset and hidden behind something

[hazy zenith]

ye, but not with exact spell id

[sly shore]

/wa

[honest saddle]

NO

you didnt see that

COVER YOUR EYES

[hazy zenith]

😄

[tepid trellis]

[honest saddle]

take his mod away

someone

god anyone

[young mural]

do a !wa

🙂

btw dudes, how does bubbling wax perform vs ironclaw whetstone?

[ornate heron]

what did you do to get the conquest thisfast?

[young mural]

is one of them better for aoe/st?

[hexed dagger]

sims want me doing one wax one whetstone

[ornate heron]

what do we craft 2nd if were getting the pvp neck?

[hexed dagger]

idk how trustworthy that is though

[young mural]

I didn't find wax option on sims

[karmic hull]

I’m crafting my lowest piece second

[young mural]

i might be blind, ill check again

[karmic hull]

I’m still rocking 619 wrists from last season lol

[hexed dagger]

go into theorycraft channel pins and you can paste the consumables string

[young mural]

oh perfect, thanks

I have to start using the tc channel more

[distant rapids]

has anyone sent their 2nd spark yet

[hallow sigil]

do we really like the seaforium pacemaker that much? the zee's thug hotline at 6528 is simming higher than a 665 pacemaker for me

[alpine wraith]

pacemaker is decent but all passive trinkets are whatever

[still vector]

if you had hero boots and S1 wrist with gem what would you craft?

i already have 675 wep

[severe vapor]

The seaforium has giga uptime i found while mugzee seems terrible in practice

[crystal oasis]

Bracer will still be replaced with ilvl so either those or cloak

[still vector]

thnx sol

[small juniper]

yeah a lot of people are saying its sim bait

[full viper]

why does the first dance feel so fckn horrible 😄

[valid vault]

is there any sub rogue povs for stix mythic or is everyone benched?

[alpine wraith]

it is so good tho

everyone is benched on stix unluck

[valid vault]

sad times

[molten citrus]

It just doesn’t sim properly in slot 1

[hexed dagger]

do we still need to swap our jastor ring every pull

[terse dirge]

on rik are you guys trying to sandbag dance to snipe adds with sec tec on heroic?

[hexed dagger]

anyone have those saucy rik reverb M timings?

[hazy breach]

Shouldve been fixed, but also that was making it sim worse than expected

Not better

[molten citrus]

Oh really

I just know every sim ppl have been posting with it like with pvp trinket for example showed other trinkets lower

But maybe that’s just the on use shit? Idk

[jaunty heath]

why is this build getting popular for m+?

[small juniper]

depends if u want to kill the boss or pad on adds

[alpine wraith]

that build is not super popular

[tranquil garden]

who are you kidding, the only thing that matters is padding those numbers

[hexed dagger]

they want me doing add dam anyway

[hazy breach]

Ye signet, pvp trinket and pacemaker were all bugged previously in simc

[small juniper]

then u just do the cds 14 sec into fight i guess

[hazy breach]

Idk maybe the has.stat thing in simc is not it

[alpine wraith]

who knows

[hazy breach]

Signet still wonky for some reason, even though it literally should be the exact same as skardyn

[gleaming locust]

you guys think Transmitter is going to get nerfed?

[hazy breach]

Not that many people doing 13s

[alpine wraith]

you mean the 2 guys

[bleak night]

0.0% popularity

[alpine wraith]

they can play what they want

[smoky vault]

Popularity on archon is not linked to the column "max key". From +7 to +15, it's just that is the most popular spec, factually

Take it or not

[hazy breach]

What

13.7% of people play tea

For some unknown reason

[jaunty heath]

well i tried and i can spam shadow dance on heavy aoe

[smoky vault]

Yeah smoother on trash

[jaunty heath]

but idk if the loss on st is worth

[hazy breach]

Well tea doesnt really change that

[smoky vault]

Vigor

[hazy breach]

No

[jaunty heath]

i know that is for vigor

[hazy breach]

5% more energy regen does not lead to a noticeable increase in dances

[smoky vault]

Double energy do so tho

[hazy breach]

Its probably even slightly less than 5%

It doesnt really

[jaunty heath]

it did for me idk

not the 5% regen

[smoky vault]

Cause it makes it temporize Shadowcraft

[jaunty heath]

the 100 incr. energy

[bleak night]

todays episode of theorycrafting vs feelycrafting goes hard

[hazy breach]

But youre giving up 2% crit and like a 70% buff to your in cd sectech

For basically nothing

[smoky vault]

Yeah on bosses it's not that obivous. But on trash it's really smoother

Prefer CB tho

[small juniper]

u are basically energy capped when u do dmg anyway

tea is awful lmao

[alpine wraith]

also 20% mastery when you have 210%

is not the best amplifier

[smoky vault]

That one guy on wclogs, japanese, top every high key with either sub or assa function of the dungeon and when sub play with tea Oo

[small juniper]

its week 2 of the season

who the hell is pushing keys

[alpine wraith]

we are too busy getting kicked and sat on bosses

[quick swan]

1 guy

[modest delta]

@molten citrus why rings same ilvl as circlet simming better than circlet

[smoky vault]

Means everyone must looking at him or archon and export template to make it "that popular"

Or people don't want to bother with CB during M+ dunno

too busy getting kicked but fortunately everyone here has either a DH or a fire mage to replace with ... ahem no ?

[cold trellis]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[smoky vault]

Don't raid mythic anymore for a long time btw so I won't get that perk to be benched on stix, what a shame

[hazy breach]

"everyone"

[modest delta]

@tepid trellis hi, in your streams, how do you have little note that shows timer of which each phase will happen

[molten citrus]

[tepid trellis]

just an MRT note

personal note

[swift crest]

which slot are subs crafting 2nd piece in

[modest delta]

kk

[hollow python]

as one whose cold blood is currently macro'd to secret tech, how much am i really losing pls

[hazy breach]

1% or so

[strange chasm]

I crafted cloak tbh

[tepid trellis]

its just this

[modest delta]

and what are you using to track the time of the pull?

i see it baove ur healthbar show the time in fight

[tepid trellis]

a combat timer WA

[tepid trellis]

and to seperate the two mrt notes

[modest delta]

found it thanks

[modest delta]

what are the other timers you have on here that arent cds? like 2:55 6:22 6:45

mechs or dances or smthn?

[paper surge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

spawntimers for barrels on Rik riverb

[modest delta]

goat

pullin rik rn

ill lyk when i parse 0's

[smoky vault]

That is another boss, the next one

[lethal thorn]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[stiff spear]

I'm hemming and hawing over crafting neck, though it's not on the bis list

[solemn lance]

How potent is the 4 set? I'm running 2+2 right now which seems pretty similar to my old 4 piece

[stiff spear]

it sims better than crafting boots with a 658 neck

[hazy breach]

Then go ahead

Bis lists are a meme

[terse dirge]

yeah 4pc is what you want 2 and 2 was a dps loss for me

simmed like 8k worse

[stiff spear]

Thanks, I needed to hear that

[hazy breach]

Like theres dozens of setups that sim pretty much identical to the ones listed in the bis lists

And the bis lists also assume you have access to literally every single item at max ilvl (aka getting m+ items from vault at max ilvl)

[grim hamlet]

hello! and sorry if it's been talked about already, but I have a question about the Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet trinket.. Is it best to wait for it to hit 30 stacks or should i just rip it everything seconds? pair it with CDs? Idk how to sim it best 😅

[hazy breach]

Cds does not affect its damage

Use it literally whenever you want, it doesnt matter

Since ive heard it doesnt even put the other on-use on cd

[grim hamlet]

Oh okay, so long as it's 30 stack just rip it then gotcha.

[stiff spear]

the DFC neck also just seems kinda bad with high crit low verse and I can always catalyse a cloak for bis stats

[alpine wraith]

it puts the other on cd

so beware

[grim hamlet]

oh ok

thank you

[hazy breach]

So then dont use it before you would use your other trinket for flag/blades

[grim hamlet]

gotcha

[alpine wraith]

yea as long as you dont use less than 20 secs before flag you're fine

[grim hamlet]

yeah i usually pair it with my signet

[hazy breach]

Oof signet

Would recommend you grind conquest so you can buy the badge

[grim hamlet]

yeah 😦 haven't really gotten anything better

[signal heath]

when were raiding at what point do we hold dance waiting for blades and flag to come up? what number on the timer lol

[grim hamlet]

yeah? that worth? i might i just looked at trinket list

[hazy breach]

If you dont have a transmitter or house of cards yes

[signal heath]

hold*

[hazy breach]

Its way way better than signet

[grim hamlet]

I just didnt htink crit was worth, but i guess that much primary stat is big

[small juniper]

generally 2 dances between cds for me anyway

off the top of my head

could be 3

[signal heath]

i know but i mean going into the next burst phase

[hazy breach]

Na its not 3

[small juniper]

but think its 2 + 1 naked secret tech

if good cdr

[hazy breach]

Its 2, but sometimes you only get one

But for your question like 20ish before flag

[signal heath]

like you have dance up... but not SB and flag

[small juniper]

just play around having 1 dance + 2nd dance in 35-40 seconds

ideally u dance b2b in cds

or well not ideally, u kinda have to

[signal heath]

yea but fight timings are messing me up, if you have dance up and you see 30 seconds left until SB/flag comes up do you hold the dance or send it

[small juniper]

depends how many dances u have

i often send naked secret tech in that situation

could be wrong tho

[signal heath]

yea im looking for the cold hard facts haha, i have no idea

[alpine wraith]

i mean best you can do maybe is watch someone do it timings can change from boss to boss

[small juniper]

shit like that can change from guild to guild tho

[alpine wraith]

like you move things aroaund on stix gally rik mug zee etc

[small juniper]

not every guild needs the same dmg profile

[tepid trellis]

2 in cds
2 in between that and your next set of cds
2 in cds
1 in between that and your next set of cds (here you can mostlike do a naked Sectech)

[small juniper]

kinda have to wing it sometimes

[signal heath]

i need a video on cd timings for raid on youtube lmao

[tepid trellis]

thats the general cadence

[signal heath]

when you say 2 in

what do you mean dance?

[paper iron]

dance + sod

[tepid trellis]

yes 2 dances + sod

[paper iron]

Raz hello

[signal heath]

ok so after my cds wear off im doing 2 then 2 in cd then 1 then cd

i just need the general then ill mix it to each bosses timings

[small juniper]

thats perfect play

as eleem said sometimes u only get 1

[signal heath]

but i never knew if to send or wait but now i get an idea

[small juniper]

if u are a noob its prob best to play safe and always get 2 in cds

[paper iron]

fuu did a full explanation on what do we do and how and why

[signal heath]

yea i play oputlaw and sin so sub is new

its so fun thou

[paper iron]

i can find u that if u want

[tepid trellis]

you need around 1 charge and 30 or so seconds on your dance timer to be able to back to back dance in cds

[paper iron]

[signal heath]

plzzzz

so at some point its worth to hold

like say you only have 1 and 20 sec

maybe iunno

bsack to raid lol thanks

[small juniper]

in raid its also relevant to know kill timers and how many cds u can fit in if u do it perfectly

so if u care about logs thats good to know

[tepid trellis]

yep

[small juniper]

sometimes u can hold for example

[tepid trellis]

sub is a research spec

[paper iron]

#subtlety message

[signal heath]

yea ill do it all

[paper iron]

from there

and u read down

[small juniper]

its quite hard to get rly good logs on progress kills

[signal heath]

im just getting feat wet again

feet

[tepid trellis]

unless you are barrel padder numero uno

[paper iron]

i m barrel padder numero 4

😔

so bad

[small juniper]

did u have to drain on rik

that shit sucks

[tepid trellis]

the way we did the boss

nope

[small juniper]

1st kill i drained a lot

2nd kill only once and got r1

but private

so gg

[tepid trellis]

only the people that breaks amps

drain them

and they just drain them after they break it

[paper iron]

so just get lucky and dont get a debuff

ok ok

[tepid trellis]

then never touch them again

[hazy breach]

#5 is me

[small juniper]

nah youll be assigned

no debuff

[tepid trellis]

imagine not being numero uno

[hazy breach]

Getting the zap debuff before first intermission

[tepid trellis]

noobs

frfr

[hazy breach]

Is like razor to the balls type situation

[paper iron]

i have to say, since racoon logs are private, i watched yours to confirm timings

😳

you re 1 in my heart

[tepid trellis]

we just didn't do that

[hazy breach]

I fucked it as well

[tepid trellis]

it was piss chillin

[oak grotto]

Do we space out our SoD to get as much of the dmg buff as possible, or send more for supercharger?

[paper iron]

yea i figured it out

[tepid trellis]

0 assignments

[lilac stag]

@tepid trellis when is next stream?

[small juniper]

damn

[paper iron]

and i m not 4, like that shit sucks

[tepid trellis]

whenever im playing

[hazy breach]

We killed it way faster than expected

[paper iron]

it was our first kill

our sp padded them

[tepid trellis]

so when they kill styx i guess

[paper iron]

lemme show

[small juniper]

who tf is styx

[tepid trellis]

ball boss

[hazy breach]

Bunkyman

[paper iron]

a boss for other class

[tepid trellis]

bunkerjunker

[small juniper]

gotta be stix

[tepid trellis]

same shit

im riding the bench for ball boss

[small juniper]

same

[paper iron]

look at them sp

[small juniper]

first boss since stone legion

[paper iron]

and dh

[small juniper]

ggs

[paper iron]

holding cds for them

i even called in voice

[tepid trellis]

first boss since i started raiding

its weird

[paper iron]

keep on boss i do these barrels they re good

but no

they blasted them

😠

[small juniper]

damn

no ww monk

living the dream

[paper iron]

well so

fun part is

[spice monolith]

Anyone have a target count in range WA?

[lilac stag]

My eyeballs wa

[spice monolith]

excellent

ty

[paper iron]

our feral one trick got told to learn boomie or bench, our both dk dps benched will probably learn ww

[spice monolith]

:^)

[paper iron]

try !wa

[tepid trellis]

here is what we did Raz, these two break it, then they insta right click it while they walk back to bait amp spawn

[small juniper]

yeah we also had ppl who break drain

[paper iron]

yea that what we did, i had to soak one so

😒

[tepid trellis]

then they walk back to drain it fully after baiting

and then

[paper iron]

cuz it was the 1st spawn

[tepid trellis]

they never touch it again

only 1 amp needs to be drained twice

[small juniper]

which one were u assigned to?

[tepid trellis]

and its the first one you spawn each phase

[tepid trellis]

none

[paper rock]

When is rogue getting like a 12% aura buff?

[small juniper]

ah right u said that

[hazy breach]

I would not be holding my breath for that one chief

[alpine wraith]

we will get this one

[paper rock]

Idk, a pure dps spec being this dogshit should be illegal

[small juniper]

sub is good

[paper iron]

this bench looks comfy

[hazy breach]

We are not dogshit

[alpine wraith]

warlocks are also not great

[paper iron]

i want the same

[alpine wraith]

also we are not bad

[small juniper]

high middle of the pack

[hazy breach]

Sub is good

[alpine wraith]

just others are better

[nocturne storm]

I made 675 weapons last week.
What is the best thing to make this week??

[alpine wraith]

sim it

[lilac stag]

Neck

[small juniper]

head chest legs most likely

[alpine wraith]

everyone's gear is diff

[paper rock]

That makes us bad lmao

[small juniper]

depends what u are playing for

[alpine wraith]

yea unluck

i crafted head

with dusk

but a lot of people crafted neck

[small juniper]

big pieces are always best

[paper iron]

sub is just great rn, not top of the pack, but not litteraly in middlerange, it s just a great class. It will probably dodge buffs / nerfs which means we can be happy about it

also

[alpine wraith]

with lens or whatever

[tepid trellis]

https://youtu.be/7U4kD7riHdc?t=202
here is me doing it

[paper iron]

reverse tier set nerf

[hazy breach]

Theyre gonna nerf the top classes and sub is gonna be among the best

[alpine wraith]

if they reverse tier set nerf

[hazy breach]

[paper rock]

We are the worst dps atm and for a pure dps class we are the single worst, no comparison to any other class

[alpine wraith]

remember we got like a 18% buff

[hazy breach]

Idk youre just wrong

[alpine wraith]

basically

they just dont like super burst

[small juniper]

thats a HARD l2p issue

[tranquil garden]

people don't want to hear it but we kind of deserve to be the worst throughput dps, because we have the best burst in the game. it would be a problem if we didn't have bad throughput.

[small juniper]

looks relaxing

i had to run to africa

[tepid trellis]

like sure sub is not that great if you are talking "pure" single target

but pretty much no fight is that this tier

apart from 1

[alpine wraith]

we are useful

and well in sprocket it is what it is

[paper iron]

did anyone said no single target only cleave fight?

[alpine wraith]

and stix is an abomination

[small juniper]

sub sims quite high single target compared to other classes, ofc i gets beat by some, but if youre able to play close to robotic then it does well

so just get better

[alpine wraith]

also remember to highroll the 4 diff rng things we have

[paper iron]

Stix looks fine if u never got the ball mecanic tbh, can cd every set of adds

[tepid trellis]

it kinda doesent

[paper rock]

Lets go boss by boss on mythic then.

First three are memes.
4th: worst class in game
5th: pure st, absolute ass
6th: probably not the absolute worst and kind of useful to nuke an add
7th: bottom

[alpine wraith]

problem with stix is that

[tepid trellis]

in full bis that it

[small juniper]

irrelevant rn

[alpine wraith]

even if you hold cds for after ball

[paper iron]

i feel like

u underestimate

[alpine wraith]

you lost so much time

[paper iron]

atrophic

[tepid trellis]

im the lowest simming melee in the guild

[alpine wraith]

that it also fucked up your cdre

[hazy breach]

Youre just making shit up

[lilac stag]

We’re in a better ST spot than Fury was last tier when it was cleave machine. Not apples to apples but sub be fucking shit up whole still slamming boss.

[tepid trellis]

and im the 2nd most geared i think

[paper rock]

Lmao sure, youve definitely not watched any rwf then

[alpine wraith]

yea our guild just benched all rogues apart from 1

[paper iron]

yea that s what i meant hacha, sub looks suuuuuper strong on stix only and only if u dont get a single ball mecanic

[alpine wraith]

yea but get one and it is gg

you cant recover

and i mean when you have lots of casters

[small juniper]

u guys must be slacking, im quite high only beat by dh and ww atm i think and i have 0 embellishments rn

[paper iron]

told to my RL i would ask for a wipe everytime i ll have mecanic since i ll do healer dps

he insta benched me lmao

[alpine wraith]

that can also do other mechanics

[small juniper]

5 am mistakes

[tepid trellis]

i sim 2.2

so dunno bout that

[alpine wraith]

yea our dh sims 2.4

[small juniper]

not bad

sims are fake

so its ok

[alpine wraith]

warr is like 2.3

i wish they were

[tepid trellis]

only one that sims close to me is our ret

rest are around 2.4

[alpine wraith]

ret is kinda weird

[paper iron]

yea but if the boss is 3.20mn, sub win every time

think about reclears stonks

long term class

[hazy breach]

Turns out not every boss is 4-6 minutes pure ST fight with zero mechanics

[tepid trellis]

dunno where he gets bottom on 7th tho

when exile played sub he was top 3

[drifting fable]

link sim @tepid trellis

[tepid trellis]

on the boss

[drifting fable]

let me see that gear

[tepid trellis]

granted sub does pad abit by accident on adds

[paper iron]

yea idk why he switched assa

i didnt follow

[tepid trellis]

i do

[hazy breach]

Last phase execute damage presumably

[paper iron]

makes no sens to me but what do i know about this boss in mythic

[small juniper]

lacking execute prob

[hazy breach]

And you can cleave through the walls with spatter

[paper iron]

then bench rogue and get another arms

[paper iron]

oh shoot

[small juniper]

3.6% dmg reduction is quite good

[hazy breach]

Like if you spatter from boss

You can hit the gooners

[lilac stag]

I’m having fun in raid and playing the spec. My pov things are good.

[paper iron]

even with the recent caustic fix that is pinned in assa channel?

gotta be super precise on placement i guess

[hazy breach]

Well the caustic fix is strictly a buff

[paper iron]

oh

didnt sound like that to me at first glance

[bleak night]

the change was for stuff like rashanan

where the boss hitbox was so big spatter wouldnt hit adds near it

[paper iron]

who cares about caustic on rashanan, padd didnt count on logs

😒

[tepid trellis]

it got added back in

so

[bleak night]

well its also probably effecting gallywix

[paper iron]

really?

feel like they removed it like 5 times

[paper iron]

i can see that

[manic ivy]

guys am I cooked? do I need less mast?

[paper iron]

that s not enough mastery

wtf

[small juniper]

7% vers is wild

[paper iron]

work on it please

[manic ivy]

REALLY

[paper iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1349542161003184188/image.png?ex=67d61d94&is=67d4cc14&hm=e0003e30c896b95bd83d017a4e5abb4c9fd913a3d390d3dc00bee5137c1422a8&

joking

u good

i was under flag + house of card there

[manic ivy]

DAMN

ahhahaahah

[paper iron]

u lacking vers tho ! guess kinda low ilvl ? 🤔

[manic ivy]

ill change my mast enchants to versa

[paper iron]

sim ask me to go versa enchant and swap my mast/vers to vers/mast gems

but i dont want to

for 0.1%, i want big mastery

[pulsar gate]

where can i find macros?

[paper iron]

which one ?

[manic ivy]

ill sim

[pulsar gate]

stealth vanish for combat out of combat

[small juniper]

[pulsar gate]

is there backstab and ss one?

[paper iron]

oh, doesnt sound like a good idea but can find one probably, it s not that hard

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[paper iron]

that s backstab for dance macabre stuff

[pulsar gate]

dont macro bs vs ss for stealth and non stealth?

[small juniper]

no

theres stance bar lag

[paper iron]

Otherwise u dont need a macro for these, get ss on stealth bar, and bs on nonstealth bar would do the trick, can have both of them on the same bind

[small juniper]

ideally u have both on both bars

[twilit phoenix]

these war crate farms are hilarious

[small juniper]

else u get fucked sometimes

[paper iron]

^that idealy

[pulsar gate]

i can do that

[tepid trellis]

@drifting fable i logged on for this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/exJadEbySRzVUFSyk85V9d

[pulsar gate]

what about stealth and vanish macro

i had one in DF idk if thats good or bad

[small juniper]

u rly upgraded boots @tepid trellis

[dusky ingot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[small juniper]

i saw another rogue who upgraded crit haste boots to 678

crazy man

[tepid trellis]

no ther myth track

other*

it do be what it do be sometimes

i didn't want to

[alpine wraith]

it is what it is sometimes

[small juniper]

is this sim with backstab in dance

cus normal sims arent

[tepid trellis]

but sometimes you just gotta deal with the hand you were dealt uknow

[alpine wraith]

you need to apl backstab in i think still

[small juniper]

ye

this sim is expert mode

so u are cheating

bastard

[tepid trellis]

yes + supercharge prepull

[alpine wraith]

so you are like me and cant craft second 675?

[small juniper]

sim padder

[tepid trellis]

just mad cuz i know how

and u dont

bozo

[twilit phoenix]

[alpine wraith]

i can teach you raz to go giga

[small juniper]

i know how to import an apl man

[alpine wraith]

can even add the 2 crit strikes for you

ok then

[small juniper]

i sim 2.175 without that shit and 0 embellishments

get owned

[tepid trellis]

its the backstab apl + pre SoD

[alpine wraith]

nani

[tepid trellis]

you do splits, so you lost by default

rekt scrub

[paper iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kKY6h9jqknat6GMCWqpDtE u op stealthi 😒 well this sim miss my second craft but it s a 558 so whatever

[alpine wraith]

still lookin for my jastor

where i lost it

[small juniper]

lets see how many hc items i have equipped

ah

1

bracers

crazy splits

[alpine wraith]

did you at least get wrist

ah yea

classic

our hc clear game the junkmaestro trink only

[tepid trellis]

i need to stop being lazy and go get my 2nd spark

[alpine wraith]

then perma bench

gg

[paper iron]

yea this week quest

boring

quick but boring

[small juniper]

is it just titan fragments?

[alpine wraith]

i already did it because i did delves day 1 of the week

[paper iron]

ayee raz

[small juniper]

whats the fastest way to do it

[dusty totem]

Guys on first boss Rookery Secret tech clones seem to not be working if it phases right after u press is this known?

[alpine wraith]

someone told me underpin first diff

is like 2 mins

[paper iron]

delves / rare in undermine

[small juniper]

i didnt get any from underpin

[bright briar]

hoq do you get the 2nd spark?

[alpine wraith]

yes he moves

all mobs that teleport do this

sec tech hits in an aoe around the clones

[dusty totem]

Yeah okay makes sense thanks

[paper iron]

sectech is so weird, like eleem tested a thing couple days ago, first hit hits arround u, but clones hits arround the target apparently. And moving target is just, idk, sometimes it follows sometimes nah. Guess teleport is straight forward just dont follow it so that s an easy rule

[summer cloud]

do yall go for double dagger craft or what are u planning to do with the 2nd spark now?

[small juniper]

if u craft off hand dagger u need to not think for urself anymore

sim it

its most likely legs chest head depending on if u have easy access to tier gloves

but just sim it

off hand dagger is among the smallest upgrades

[hazy breach]

Anything but offhand dagger really

Boots, bracers, neck, gloves, cloak are all fine.

Just sim yourself