subtlety

[steel zinc]

You need to be in combat and standing away. Go Rick reverb lfr. It's obviously omega niche so was unholy gem in sanctum

Lol

Ret press what lights up

[lilac stag]

that bad at sub eh?

[wild hornet]

no pinks

[steel zinc]

Don't give up on sub

[steel zinc]

You got transmitter or hoc?

[lilac stag]

only pinks as ret is name plate

[hollow snow]

ripbozo o7

[wild hornet]

both

[steel zinc]

Ok then gitgud

[gleaming locust]

Been having the most fun on sub I’ve had in a while, big ups to the guide writers and TC peeps

[lilac stag]

hit detection more 4head

[steel zinc]

Hitcap

[wild hornet]

its only pink if youre using default colors

5hed

[lilac stag]

hedPE

[lilac stag]

you were destined to fail. blue name with deathstalker role. dedge

pink parses if you change to appropriate hero role

[placid elk]

what if i never die?

[wild hornet]

fatebound yes

[lilac stag]

good way to brick your CB

[jaunty heath]

I feel attacked

[lilac stag]

are you even on rogue?

[vale pine]

use it pre pull at one point ideally 20 sec before or earlier

[jaunty heath]

???

Yes

[lilac stag]

i thought you escaped

[jaunty heath]

Nah I was almost forced to go havoc start of season

But never did

[lilac stag]

unluck

[jaunty heath]

I said I’m playing rogue or I’m not playing

Nah sub feels so good

Im happy

[wild hornet]

well

it was fun while it lasted

[lilac stag]

Back to blasting on Ret

Could be worse

Could be a boomkin

[wild hornet]

true

it can always be worse

like aug evoker

[jaunty heath]

Istg if I was ever forced to boomkin I’d straight up quit

It’s feral if Druid or nothing

F chickens

[wild hornet]

i used glyph on my boomie

i hate the new model

[jaunty heath]

It’s not about the chicken

It’s the spec

The players

Their discord

[wild hornet]

i only hate the model

[jaunty heath]

Everything’s

[vale pine]

or ret, could be ret, oh wait

[wild hornet]

[lilac stag]

ret is chill and fun

[jaunty heath]

Ret is brain off and vibe

It’s really fun

[lilac stag]

and you have actual spell animations

[wild hornet]

tbh i had more fun with sub n outlaw than ret

maybe i played ret too much

[jaunty heath]

Well it gets boring at some point

[lilac stag]

it’s something differnt

[jaunty heath]

I agree to that

But for the most part it’s fun

[lilac stag]

every time I try to abandon rogue I get sucked back in. No one plays it so recruiting sucks

[jaunty heath]

Also minmaxing util on ret makes it infinitely more fun

[wild hornet]

true that

having my flag on mugzee and being in cage hurts my soul

[jaunty heath]

Doesn’t matter

[lilac stag]

why? Flag don’t matter

The cage kinda sucks. I’m in that prison

[jaunty heath]

Just don’t flag the elemental

[wild hornet]

i had to do it once

[jaunty heath]

Nah atp hold

[wild hornet]

i think it was only me or me and someone else in that cage

[jaunty heath]

But just flag him

[wild hornet]

so i kinda had to

[jaunty heath]

And then blow cds on the elemental

[midnight tulip]

Can someone help me understand what drives such a big difference in opener damage in this log comparison? Just looking at the first 20sec almost all of my damage is significantly lower, like almost half even if you look at per cast. I know that I keep using cold blood on the wrong sec tech (i tried to adjust my keybinds for raid last night to not miss cold blood casts and instead im using on first sectech instead but is that really a big enough impact to be almost 50% less damage?)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/LbCkmJFWNKr6y1zw/dPXfDwBR4agbtypK?fight=9%2C37&type=damage-done&source=138%2CUlppù&start=4363181%2C12040601&end=4385243%2C12062663

[jaunty heath]

No you don’t

You can flag mugzee

And blow your load on the elemental

[primal glacier]

Hey guys. wanting to start playing my rogue again. wondering what wa pack yous recommend

[timid furnace]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[cursive vapor]

that was fast

[lilac stag]

Too many people think it’s deathmark/vendetta

[primal glacier]

think he been waiting for his moment lol

[jaunty heath]

To be fair I did until recently because it didn’t matter so far

Fuu told me you can flag whatever target

And my life changed

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-to-be-fair-serious-lets-be-fair-gif-16087355

[jaunty heath]

Until now I didn’t think about it because I flag the guy I wanna hit in keys anyways and in raid same thing

But yeah for stuff like mugzee jail and shit it’s good that you don’t have to hit the flag target

[lilac stag]

or you play assa and just sit on boss and splatter both adds

[wild hornet]

id rather uninstall the game

[lilac stag]

unethical

[wild hornet]

than paly assa

[jaunty heath]

I spec sin when I have a really bad night

Well now not anymore because I got house of cards

[spiral needle]

you prob need to use cards with SB rather than flag, you CB'd first sec tech instead of second, and transmitter is going to be burstier

[jaunty heath]

But before if I had nights where I just fucked up every transmitter

[lilac stag]

i play assa if our shaman is mia

[jaunty heath]

Idk brain damage nights

[wild hornet]

yk what sucks

[lilac stag]

on god no skyfury is pain

[wild hornet]

when you get the floor pad

and tank moves boss

[jaunty heath]

Well yeah if my shaman doesn’t show up to raid I’m not showing up either

[wild hornet]

[swift tinsel]

Thankful af we have two

[jaunty heath]

Same

[lilac stag]

we had 3. down to 1

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[tawny plume]

Does anyone know of an addon that i can practice my rotation on a dummy then go and look at the order of spells cast?

[lilac stag]

Warcraft logs will let you see what your pressed

Nothing else really records it. Details and Truigcd can show casts in real time

[dry plank]

We had 2 now 0

[swift tinsel]

we surprisingly don't have a DH

[lilac stag]

Unluck

[dry plank]

It’s completely different flow and game feelings during cds

[lilac pendant]

anyone has a visual wa for Shadow dance?

[fickle mason]

I think ima drop my 639transmitter for pvp trink

[young mural]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[lusty swan]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[young mural]

who else running delves as assassination and switching to sub on bosses?

[vale pine]

i just do them on sub

don't rly think there is much benefit of switching between bosses

[swift tinsel]

I find with nimble and sectech I can take care of pretty much anything and blow up bosses

[tepid trellis]

i havent done a delve yet this season

[swift tinsel]

Might need to pause here and there on 11's for cd's but not too often

[young mural]

i just play assassination to kill lower hp mobs, idk feels much less effort for me just dotting mobs and running kiting while they're affected by crippling

i do some huge pulls and just kite it out

and i love subtlety to kill high hp targets so i just switch when its time to kill the boss for the giga burst

really enjoying the state rogue is in currently

[vale pine]

I think we are a bit weirdly positioned in raids

[young mural]

rogues in general? how come

seems to me all specs are doing great ST and AOE damage

[vale pine]

I think other classes are tuned a bit better than we are in general, else you would see rogue stacked in the rwf

[lilac pendant]

What skill gives us cp after a finisher

[bleak night]

ww is just better rogue right now

[lilac pendant]

cant find it

[bleak night]

but they're getting obliterated once race ends

[vale pine]

shadowcraft

[tulip gorge]

Less chances of getting nerfed after rwf tbh

[lilac pendant]

ty

[vale pine]

if you want a explenation, how it works i can link you to a in detailed one i did earlier, moment

[tepid trellis]

rogue is not great

its aite

but not great

[young mural]

I'd love to see it

[vale pine]

#subtlety message

^ starting with this message

[lilac pendant]

Im kinda want to

have u played outlaw?

[young mural]

oh lol i thought you were talking about a state of rogues atm

[tepid trellis]

out of the melee's we do the worst single target

[vale pine]

oh no, there is not more context to it rather than class tuning

[tepid trellis]

our only "niche" is our AoE burst and naturally high bursty profile

[lilac pendant]

When u use the gun finisher and gives u the CP back there is a sound, Im not sure if this has it or im missing it

[young mural]

oh if you want a sound for it

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[young mural]

get the "shadowcraft refund sound trigger" weak aura

[lilac pendant]

ty

[vale pine]

wrong channel, #outlaw was the gun finisher

[young mural]

Yhea we definitely saw more rogues in RWF during dragonflight

[tepid trellis]

we just low on the tuning side

[young mural]

I think he wants the refund sound for shadowcraft

[tepid trellis]

not much we can do about that

[vale pine]

we would potentially run rogueless

if there was no atrophic or raid wide no parry

[lilac pendant]

yeah ty! same noise so helpful haha

[tepid trellis]

its why you see almost no rogues play Styx bunkjunker

atro barely works on it

[young mural]

and we still managed to get our sec tech nerfed

[tepid trellis]

they saw early preseason numbrs

and got scared

it is what it is

[young mural]

crazy

[vale pine]

its not the first time it happens

[tepid trellis]

nope and wont be the last

[vale pine]

blizz is very married to wcl statistics, which make not much sense before a new season releases

[tepid trellis]

its so sad that they tune around normal/hc numbers

[young mural]

yhea we dont add too much utility compared to other classes, and the raid-wide parry seems like its unintended and possibly will get patched

[bleak wind]

I think @leaden prairie has one for sub

[naive zodiac]

if tier was stronger it would actually have a 1.5min burst niche no1 else had

but ww does it better

[vale pine]

i don't think it will unless people make a big fuzz about it

[tepid trellis]

sandbag more

[vale pine]

its just a problem with spell data flags

[bleak night]

its ok once you guys kill gally they'll obliterate ww for us

[tepid trellis]

get us buffed

[young mural]

we're getting destroyed by WW currently, pretty sad. even with our crazy good nimble flurry we're just getting out-padded

ww goes tornado mode

[tepid trellis]

its very hard to out-snipe sub, if you know how to prepare the dmg

[naive zodiac]

even when you snipe properly ww will do more

[tepid trellis]

they do more overall, cuz they have more dmg outside of their cds than we do

[young mural]

true but kinda bad to hold on to CDs for mobs

a few adds ends up lining up with our CDs but idk

[tepid trellis]

you can hold dmg just fine if you aren gimping yourself in the long run by loosing casts

so gotta do the prep work for it

[young mural]

yhea, i generally dont use my brainpower correctly

i should be thinking about this stuff more

[tepid trellis]

not many people do

im just a dps fiend that spends alot of time prepping bosses

cuz ive got nothing else to do

[vale pine]

I think it is in part a problem of effort

and information

you need to get the timings from fights, and have the understanding of when you can adjust and trade offs of it

[young mural]

we just end up leeching off your and fuu's research/prepping

Also eleem's

[vale pine]

you still need to think

every raid is diffrent and boss strategies will be diffrent

[young mural]

thats the problem, i generally dont do that and noticed that if i dont think theres a 0% chance to do real good damage

i just envy ret paladins sometimes

dont even have to think about CDs, crazy

[tepid trellis]

sub was kinda the same pre rework in Amirdrassil

[somber ether]

there's a reason why ret is the most popular spec in the game and sub is one of the least popular

[tepid trellis]

first two seasons of DF

was just pure cd on cd

no thoughts

just press shit

[dry jacinth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young mural]

sadly i came back to wow during S3 DF

didnt get to play sub pre rework

but really, reducing shadow blades' cd to 1:30 was such a great change

having to juggle the CDs in dungeons was so bad

[vale pine]

we had a bit of thought in the rotation

but generally still more "cooldowns on cooldown" than in current iterations

[main kettle]

sub can use axe in oh? i got it from tw cache leveling and everything seems to work

[swift tinsel]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[swift tinsel]

would not recommend

[rocky wolf]

but yes it does "work"

[vale pine]

should never use something other than daggers

its just not worth the trade off

[main kettle]

ok it was like 200 ilvl i figured it better choice, just leveling now

[young mural]

shouldnt you just sim it? (i know we dont ever equip anything other than daggers)

oh please dont sim it while leveling

lmao

[main kettle]

i guess set it to assn loot then they only get daggers

[molten citrus]

sub loot spec should only get daggers as well

[young mural]

yup

[molten citrus]

some things don't give spec or even class specifc loot

[vale pine]

sub and assassiantion have the same loot pool

[rocky axle]

Does raidbots droptimizer sim with embellish ? If not can i force it ?

[molten citrus]

like the world boss can drop you plate/mail/cloth gear

[vale pine]

it is typically better to use top gear, #tc-research has text files pinned you can copy/paste into it to add gear.

[main kettle]

ok guess it was just tw cache thing being weird i think it jsut gives you stuff you can use

[young mural]

i use top gear and recraft my embellished items for that, not sure if theres a way to do that

[amber oak]

Tempted to play sub next to my fire mage as alt, played it in BFA the last time. How we feeling, is sub fun right now?

[lucid jackal]

Yeh

[rocky axle]

can i sim everything at once with no premium raidbot tho

[amber oak]

I do like the shitload of dmg in cooldowns like fire mage, i heard sub still plays like that right

[mossy patio]

what's our best passive trinkets from non raid sources?

[lucid jackal]

Pacemaker

[twilit phoenix]

the suspicious drink from delves is really good

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[twilit phoenix]

sims better than pacemaker for me

[mossy patio]

thanks

[amber oak]

Cool i might like it then, gonna give it a try thx

[bleak night]

yeah sus energy drink is op

[cold trellis]

anyone can recomend good video guide for sub rogue?

for both m+ and raid

[vale pine]

think eleem and hachadino have some videos on their youtube

[alpine wraith]

yea suspicious drink champion or hero track is better than pacemaker

but pacemaker can drop myth track and other slike heart of azerokk so it sims more in the en d

and yea i did the video the other day for sub quite long but it covers everything

if you already know how to play it mostly you can watch the 8 mins shorter one

[rocky axle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit phoenix]

i remember simming 6/6 myth track trinkets

and they were only slightly better than hero drink

it's crazy how close it is

[alpine wraith]

i would use drink tho or azerokk better than pacemaker

[twilit phoenix]

simming again rn

[alpine wraith]

well mostly it is because there are no bosses with 2 min or 3 min important things

[twilit phoenix]

proccing an azerokk during cds would be insane

[warm marlin]

Myth azerokk did not sim very well for me in my vault

[alpine wraith]

and crit is not the best power multiplier

[warm marlin]

Kind of sounded cringe to play

[alpine wraith]

azerokk is too rng

drink has like 40% uptime

[twilit phoenix]

drink uptime iks kinda giga

[alpine wraith]

big boi

[twilit phoenix]

yeah

[west tide]

where is drink from

[alpine wraith]

delve

[twilit phoenix]

delves

you can get a hero track one from vault or from maps

[vale pine]

drink is good, knive is good

there are quite some

[rocky axle]

idk yet if im sticking to sub or going back to sin for mythic progress. How far behind is Ascension compared to focus lens ? Also how expensive is a recraft, not much prob around 10k right ?

[twilit phoenix]

knive isn't in the loot pool anymore tho

[vale pine]

good trinkets from delves

[alpine wraith]

yea knife is taking a break

[twilit phoenix]

whispyr was saying how they took knife out this season

[vale pine]

its not?

[alpine wraith]

we have drink or mechano amp now

[vale pine]

oh interessting

[alpine wraith]

yea it is s1 loot thing

[twilit phoenix]

yeah I think it's just sussy drink

[vale pine]

F

i liked knive

[alpine wraith]

same

[twilit phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wGuxPpDNXv99uwHGiQSTg3

[molten citrus]

the alchemy trinket looks kinda good too doesn't it?

[twilit phoenix]

look at the trinkets on myth track lmao

at most, they're like .4% better than hero track drink

at least for my stat spread atm

[vale pine]

you usually don't want to spend crests on it, when you can get a trinket from vault/raid/m+/delves

[paper iron]

Fuu

[vale pine]

censi

[paper iron]

U are good, better than most trinkets actually

We love you

[vale pine]

[twilit phoenix]

I love fuu ngl

[short radish]

Yeah but its a lot cheaper this tier, the crest wastage might not be as bad

[upbeat parcel]

hi guys.. as a sub should i try always standing behind the boss because of backstab?

[paper iron]

Now solo is back my trio of heart is completed again, solofuuwhispyr

[molten citrus]

yeh just mean if you have really bad luck or something, seems decent enough

[paper iron]

me a happi rogue

sorry others

[twilit phoenix]

we just need vrgl to get unbanned

i think he learned his lesson

the yap was legendary

[molten citrus]

[paper iron]

nah i can live without vrgl

[twilit phoenix]

he was an essential part of the yap you guys are just haters

[paper iron]

I liked him but as the autoproclamed doom and yap master myself, he was going too far beyond limits i can accept

[molten citrus]

apparently they're giving everyone a 2nd spark

this week

[hexed dagger]

anyone else randomly get another spark half today?

[paper iron]

yea trickz

[twilit phoenix]

wait really?

[molten citrus]

thats sick

[twilit phoenix]

so two crafts?

[paper iron]

it s back

but i guess imma hold on the quest until next week

so double spark

kek

[molten citrus]

if only they did that for the exploited pvp sockets................................................................

[twilit phoenix]

what was the exploit

asking for a friend

[paper iron]

Also fk them i spent all my crests this week cuz i thought i wouldnt get a craft this week

ff

[molten citrus]

day 1 we could recraft season 1 gear and keep sockets

[twilit phoenix]

based

[molten citrus]

i did it on my main

because i didn't think it was a bug

[delicate gulch]

is this legit or bugged?

[paper iron]

i mean

[molten citrus]

you legit just did a recraft order, no weird shenanigans

[paper iron]

it s here for everyone so i guess it s legit

or else they really suck at pushing quests in servers

[twilit phoenix]

pvpers logging out 3 times, typing 4 different console commands, leveling a dwarf to 12 and logging out in a certain spot be like "nah it was totally legit and not weird"

[molten citrus]

...

[paper iron]

sounds very outlaw bug abusing

wait, outlaw never bug abused anything

forget about that

[molten citrus]

you can still recraft s1 pvp gear and keep enchants on it, and embellishments

[twilit phoenix]

god we were strong then

[molten citrus]

they only blocked the sockets

[twilit phoenix]

outlaw bug was a lot of fun

[paper iron]

outlaw be like was peak gameplay not gonna lie

[young mural]

remember during DF S3?

the combo point generating rotation

snd spam

lmao

so fucking insane

[paper iron]

that was not a bug abuse, that was clever use of the time wasted before the key when the tank went for a smoke

totally different thing

prepping these apm ya know

[young mural]

that was what made me try outlaw for the first time

[dry plank]

I look at mugze prog. Where are we in details? I don’t see karuichopper or perfecto

[wicked urchin]

Hold it for double spark and make them give us another one

Big brain

[young mural]

we're cooked bud

[wicked urchin]

We're cooked reroll WW (get nerfed in a week and come back)

[dry plank]

Just poison debuff?

[young mural]

BAD DPS we're there for atrophic and parry from trickster

[dry plank]

Unfortunately for me I do not enjoy other classes

[young mural]

i think

2nd spark available now

GO GET IT

GO GET IT

2ND SPARK AVAILABE FOR EVERYONE

[wicked urchin]

I've only played this rogue since BC

I'm with you brother

[young mural]

WHAT THE FUCK

2ND SPARK HYYPE

[dry plank]

I did not get first spark this week yet

[proper fulcrum]

Do weekly

[dry plank]

I did few chests which weekly

[young mural]

what should we be craftin dudes?

[wicked urchin]

Depends on your current gear tbh

[young mural]

insanely bad

[wicked urchin]

The smartest choice is probably wait for next vault

[young mural]

might do that

[wicked urchin]

i'm going boots or neck

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/5dcb30e09fad3e5854e570224860e4c0 Would it be better to craft a 675 neck instead of second dagger?

if I dont get a good neck

[wicked urchin]

I don't think you'd ever craft second dagger

[young mural]

2nd dagger is bad

one of our worst slots is OH

[wicked urchin]

Offhand weapon is like our weakest slot

ye

[acoustic lodge]

Raidbots is telling me to craft a neck

[limber relic]

Cloak or belt for me!

[oak grotto]

How come its bad to go OH

[alpine wraith]

less dps

[native zodiac]

mfw i just spent all my crests yesterday

heroic craft it is i guess

[alpine wraith]

i have only 45 too yes

unluck

[wicked urchin]

It's just not impactful

[native zodiac]

ye i mean crafting a 2nd emb again is like 12k dps

as i dropped mine

necklace time

[alpine wraith]

yea my helmet is a bit more

[wicked urchin]

[young mural]

ill do the simmy right now

[clever delta]

what weekly give second spark tho

[alpine wraith]

but that was a 475

[clever delta]

i dont have

[alpine wraith]

it is on the npc

[random hare]

whats the best embellishment nowadays guys

[young mural]

i have spent 0

[clever delta]

that one i have

but how i get seocnd one

[young mural]

ITS IRRELEVANT. with that said, ascension seems to be simming good for me and for exile in raids lol

[paper iron]

😒

[zenith hollow]

inside of dance we finish on 5+ and outside we want 6/7 ya?

[paper iron]

unfunny random craft mid week

[young mural]

you can thank the abusers for that

or blizzard for fucking this up that badly

[random hare]

brother

idk why ur replying like that

[young mural]

sorry zeross

[fickle mason]

Can we convert veteran-heroic-gilded crests? I need 15

[random hare]

literally didnt benefit anyhting out of that

[oak grotto]

Would it be bad to craft Alchemist stone? And have the pvp 8/8 and the stone in maxcraft

[young mural]

my bad

ill say it in a better way

[molten citrus]

focusing lens

[ornate lake]

Ego trip

[random hare]

ty

[alpine wraith]

lens is a bit more st

im going for blessed grip and duskweave

[lilac stag]

i sent neck with the free heroic craft

[oak grotto]

Cause sim said it was the best craft for me

[alpine wraith]

for more overall coverage but it is whatever

[latent parcel]

What quest gives the other half spark? the weekly I mean, not the new freebie, dont have any in dorn

[wet sleet]

prolly dumb question but im legit day 1 on sub rogue how tf do i do dmg outside of cooldowns im legit tickling mfs

[wicked urchin]

looking like boots or neck for me

[lilac stag]

farm a trinket imo

[young mural]

difference between embellishments is insanely small, 0.1-0.3%. I've seen most people rocking ascension because of the main hand craft

[random hare]

i might craft neck

not sure

[native zodiac]

its defo neck

[young mural]

but its really up to you

[lilac stag]

there are no good necks. should be ez

[hazy breach]

6+ always

[random hare]

neck is like

the safest pick

[young mural]

if you mainly raid, i think you should go lens

[random hare]

u can craft

[oak grotto]

Then I guess Ill farm pacemaker and craft neck?

[lilac stag]

and secondaries are huge now

[obtuse shard]

Can we put focusing lens on neck

[random hare]

i have lens on wep should be fine for now ig

[clever delta]

what weekly give first spark of this week

i dont have

[random hare]

idk

can we?

[lilac stag]

yes

[random hare]

nice ok

gonna craft after this key then

[hazy breach]

I dont have 60 crests left

[lilac stag]

use free heroic craft

[young mural]

yhea use the undermine crest

[native zodiac]

got your heroic crest?

thats what im doing

[young mural]

recraft next week, no biggie i think

[lilac stag]

not like we're using it on anything else

[hazy breach]

I mean sure but it kinda doesnt matter

[native zodiac]

getting the 2nd emb on 658 is not that bad tbf

[lilac stag]

636 to 658 i'll take it

[young mural]

why cant i react to this msg?

[lilac stag]

upgrade again after upgrading mytrhic pieces

[young mural]

lol i cant react to any scAth messages

[distant rapids]

what we doing with second spark, i made 675 weap already

[zenith hollow]

even if i have to ss 2x in dance?

[tepid trellis]

most likely because he has you blocked, is what id guess

[molten citrus]

[young mural]

deserved tbh, I act like a complete ape sometimes

[wicked urchin]

I'm going to assume no but you don't evis at 5 if its your last global in dance, right?

[random hare]

probably neck

[wicked urchin]

I haven't been but I wondered

[young mural]

time to tinker with raidbots

[oak grotto]

This is Max rank Stone vs max hero Pacemaker

But does the 9k dps make too little of a difference to craft stone

[young mural]

that dps increase is not worth the spark in my opinion, at least not yet

[young mural]

yhea

[oak grotto]

instead of farming and craftin neck

[oak grotto]

Cause neck is 3/8 Champion

So might craft max rank neck and go HC trink then

[lilac stag]

sure, personally I wouldn't do a trinket, when there are options. but you have to kinda make that one on your own. we have zero vers/mast necks avail. so to me its ez choice

secondaries are already big time scaling

[wicked urchin]

You'll replace trinket but it'll be a long time if ever before you replace neck/boots

I was thinking boots but all the big guns are saying neck

[lilac stag]

you can buy boots

on the AH

[wicked urchin]

About that

[lilac stag]

dont be poor?

[vale pine]

mythic boes are soulbound first weeks

[wicked urchin]

im cooked

[lilac stag]

eventually they wont be

[paper iron]

yea they are not even tradeable within the group that s clearing them trash

😒

[wicked urchin]

wait are they not?

[young mural]

wow, thats so trash

[paper iron]

nah

we cleared them

we got a boe

couldnt trade

gladly it dropped to a ret and that was his bis, fortunately

[young mural]

lucky

[paper iron]

yea he s 665 ilvl

no splits btw

[young mural]

what the fuck

[acoustic lodge]

time to make a neck

[young mural]

rets cant stop winning

[acoustic lodge]

such an easy class to play too

[alpine wraith]

lets goo

[young mural]

yhea

[stark belfry]

are the crafted gear suggestions on Wowhead still up to date?

[young mural]

nice, gz

[paper iron]

mb, 643.89

[leaden prairie]

i dmed him so he would say that

he didnt mean it

[lucid jackal]

Any neck crafters

[zenith hollow]

another ? do you always wanna push to max combo for a coup?

[alpine wraith]

neck is like 10k better than pvp one for me

still safe for most tho

[molten citrus]

pvp neck buyers in SHAMBLES

[alpine wraith]

im a head eventually engineer head enjoyer

[warm marlin]

tell that to my fresh new shoes

[alpine wraith]

and now 1 week earlier than expected engi wrists too

pog

week 4 instead of 5

[fallow nimbus]

what even are crafting options? wrist, cloak, belt, boots and neck?

[keen dome]

Sounds about right, yeah

[lucid jackal]

I think neck is just the best option. No good options in the game baring a vault dungeon neck from dark flame

[keen dome]

Neck seems like it's the safest option, but I guess wrists isn't so bad either. I think there's two good belts? And belt from second boss is pretty good

[lilac stag]

I tried to warn them.

[keen dome]

lmao, the sim queue

[ebon oyster]

im crafting kneck

[young mural]

exile atm

[alpine wraith]

i crafted head

fight me

[lilac stag]

[clever delta]

rather nice upgrade

[fallow nimbus]

2nd boss belt has vers+mast so pretty safe and "easy" to get

[keen dome]

Yeah

[alpine wraith]

boots boe belt mythic boss

[lilac stag]

Enjoy tier gloves haste boi.

[keen dome]

Boots are BoE so easy enough eventually

[alpine wraith]

i will enjoy my 2700 mastery head thx

eventually

tier helmet is vers haste anyway

[lilac stag]

can’t escape it

[fallow nimbus]

i really hope blizz puts the boes to all mobs, these generals only is stupid

[alpine wraith]

they made boe farming easier even

[fallow nimbus]

how?

[dusty totem]

Is elemental focusing lens bis in m+ also?

[alpine wraith]

you reset and just do those guys with a skip

[molten citrus]

no but the difference is so negligible either way

[alpine wraith]

all embellish kinda suck but for m+ best is blessed grip and duskthread but not by much

ascendance+patch is close

and double lens

is well

not much behind

[remote rapids]

so if running a bit of sin/sub with the spark, fuu's sheet showing cloak prolly the spot?

[acoustic lodge]

woot im 439 ilvl!

[bleak night]

cloak has very little stat budget so its a good choice yeah

just do like mastery vers cloak and use it for both specs

[acoustic lodge]

i got a hero cloak from delve so I'm sticking with it

[bleak night]

bracers also good for same reason

[keen steppe]

Offhand is only a statstick right?

[lucid jackal]

Neck craft goodge cuz no good neck

[fallow nimbus]

and the m+ neck is big crit + vers

[distant rapids]

i have "bis" neck though faak

[remote rapids]

yeah i dunno what i want to craft really ... hmmm

guess wait for vault at this point, done raiding for the week

[lucid jackal]

Yeah but that's unreliable to get at mythic track

[bleak night]

just get it in your vault 4head

[lucid jackal]

If you get it it's lit but if you don't then Ur gg behind on neck forever

[patent lichen]

Get the pvp neck for now, high vers and mastery

[lucid jackal]

Yeah but I want max ilvl gear

Not champ track

[remote rapids]

i've got both the hero track crit/vers and vers/crit neck

[fallow nimbus]

i have a good chance for the 2nd boss belt, boots are boe and could drop anytime, cloak is just there and stats so tiny so who cares

[distant rapids]

ya def dont craft belt

[fallow nimbus]

neck it will be, probably

[warm marlin]

if you aren't getting sprocket/boe boots on M before next craft isn't boots better for now

[slim summit]

What about vers>mastery neck from slot machine boss?

[remote rapids]

oh cata cloak is vers/mastery too

[fallow nimbus]

there is no vers+mastery neck

[slim summit]

Oh yeh

Nevermind it was a ring

[fallow nimbus]

its wrist

and ring

but ring is random

[slim summit]

Yeh i got it on mastery>vers

Hero track

[remote rapids]

maybe neck is a good craft spot, hmmm

[distant rapids]

neck no main stat tho

[signal heath]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim summit]

Im new to sub, what is generally more liked? (Not better) trickster or deathstalker?

[remote rapids]

oh ya, so many choices! guess it really doesn't matter all that much i'd assume cloak and neck craft are pretty close

[sudden breach]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[lucid jackal]

Even past the bug, crafting rings last season was good for a lot of specs

[modest delta]

what the stat line we lookin for

im 91% mast

13 verse

[distant rapids]

i think ima do cloak

[ornate lake]

Trickster for both raid and keys

[distant rapids]

has anyone done the cyrcs ring exploit

[ornate lake]

What exploit?

[slim summit]

apparently u can / couldve, idk if it works anymore, put the ring in both slots, destroy it, then get it again from npc or sth and put it in both slots

so u can upgrade any other ring 4 free to 658

[distant rapids]

you like delete you rriing go grab another one then you can upgrade m+ or raid ring for free

yea

[warm marlin]

yep

[ornate lake]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven plover]

oh, where do u get it back xd

[young mural]

how

[distant rapids]

item restore i assume

[warm marlin]

i think his name is bargus

[slim summit]

im just not sure if blizz will ban u for exploting like that

[warm marlin]

some dude on the island

[proven plover]

no, there has been things like these with recrafting

[blissful shore]

is it worth crafting neck?

[slim summit]

yeah, but this thing kinda seems too intentional

[oak grotto]

!commonerrors

[rocky axle]

Is the dinar system still up for S1 ?

And if so how many runs do i need to get a transmitter ?

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/1aa36611231c1f26c0250ea5b592fd4d Does this look like it should?

9 Priory

[random hare]

guys

which delv was really good

fastest one

excavation site?

[young mural]

excav site is pretty easy i feel like

[warm marlin]

one of the fungal folly variants has you kill like 2 mobs total

[young mural]

sidestreet sluice is easy too if you just ignore most mechanics

[young mural]

yhea this is a good one, underkeep in azj kahet pretty straight forward too

depending on storyline

[molten citrus]

the new one in undermine or the fungal one under dorn

south of dorn or w/e

[random hare]

fungal

ur demonic

holy fuck bro

[placid elk]

is this simbait? 0.3 better than 639 arakara

[random hare]

ilvl is good

[oak grotto]

!guide

[random hare]

why would it be bait

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[random hare]

what does it do anyway

[molten citrus]

what

[young mural]

prized putter is just straight damage

[swift tinsel]

Fungal folly is unironically fast as fuck

[young mural]

kinda bad for aoe

[placid elk]

because sims are not always 100% accurate for some crap trinkets

[random hare]

fungal is cancer as fuck

lots of ccs

[warm marlin]

huh

what fungal u in

[swift tinsel]

You can skip so much of it

and depending on the scenario you can skip even more

[oak grotto]

Can you send SecTech without SoD?

[random hare]

wait it isnt exacvation site

holy shit no

fk

[swift tinsel]

the new excavation site one is actual aids

[molten citrus]

noob

[swift tinsel]

Sluice in Undermine is super fast too like NoTrickz said

[vale pine]

you typically don't secret has a low cooldown

[young mural]

to be fair it 100% depends on today's storyline, its not that simple to say "this one is the best"

[vale pine]

but you sometimes need to symbols + secret without dance

[young mural]

excavation site has a story that you can do in 5mins no exaggeration

just like fungal, sidestreet, underkeep etc etc

[swift tinsel]

with crafted neck almost to 100% mastery

we go on

[grave delta]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pXyY4oymJp4vPFMtg1Z95q craft boots or craft neck and do 30 key sales to afford boe boots...

[hexed leaf]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

I'm surprised hero track boots are only 800k

[full viper]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallow nimbus]

with the floodgate trinket and it's uptime it probably really is safe to go vers/mast neck

[swift tinsel]

400k for champ track

[fallow nimbus]

schnäpperchen

let's see what the sim says, i have every combination of crafted pieces that are worth it except boots and belt, which are "easy" drops

[oak grotto]

If you look at step 3 where you dance, SoD and Backstab, would it be a shit idea to macro it all

into one ability

[fallow nimbus]

yes

[lucid jackal]

As long as you have stuff also on a separate keybind

Cuz you press each of those at different times as well

[fallow nimbus]

you can't save hotkeys

[lucid jackal]

Which at that point just don't bother with the macros imo

[proven plover]

my sim tells me to recraft my still equipped 636 wrist

but my booody

[agile crow]

what do you do when coup de grace is ready, you have 6 CP, but the target doesn't have fazed? i assume just sitting on max CP not using any spenders is a bad idea, but i can't spend them on eviscerate while coup de grace is procced

[fallow nimbus]

rupture another target that lives long enough, in dance that situation shouldn't or can't even happening

[agile crow]

wasn't during dance

backstabbed a mob, procced coup and faze, somebody else killed the mob a second later, i switched to the last mob and... i have no idea wha ti'm suppose dto do right now 🙂

i threw a black powder but it didn't seem like a good choice

just didn't know what to do

[fallow nimbus]

if it is the last mob then just send or do nothing, if it is about to die

[vale pine]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[vale pine]

some macro ideas

[proven plover]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[vale pine]

oh ye, that one too is good for not casting sod twice accidentally

[devout mica]

also, some macro idea: #showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Shadow Dance
/cast [mod:alt] Symbols of Death
/cast [mod:shift] Shadow Dance
/cast [mod:shift] Symbols of Death
/cast [mod:ctrl] Shadow Blades - having it on one of my mouse buttons

[paper iron]

the tech spreaded fast

👀

[lucid jackal]

This just tells you who's doing fast opener vs old opener

[dry plank]

guys what weekly gives first spark? i did all quests from dornogal except timewalking

[devout mica]

it's free from catalyst npc

[young mural]

talk to the dude next to the catalyst machine

[fallow nimbus]

wait for rik to run to first amp slot?

[dry plank]

he gives 1, where do i get 2nd one?

[short owl]

One half is from the titan disc quest

[dry plank]

i did all weekly chests

[bleak night]

If you send cds at 14s you can snipe barrels

[west tide]

old opener

i cant keep up lemme see that new one

[lucid jackal]

Just skip vanish

[west tide]

lets gooo

[wicked urchin]

decisions

[thorny ridge]

!fUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden breach]

how were you able to access this view? pretty cool

[wicked urchin]

it's a website but i don't remember which

[obtuse orbit]

relearnign sub, havent played in a long time. opener seems a little dif than i remember. whats the reason to hold CB for second sectec? and are we playng around DM stacks or just doing a dance/bs into sectec?

[swift tinsel]

lorrgs.io

[sudden breach]

great website wow

thanks

[lucid jackal]

2nd sectec does way more damage cuz Ur flag is ramped

[sudden breach]

no more clicking each rogue individually and comparing openers

[swift tinsel]

Very useful for learning timings of boss abilities and cooldown usage

[fair skiff]

is it worth crafting a second 675 dagger if you're not a mythic raider with access to that gear?

[young mural]

no off hand is bad

[wicked urchin]

Second dagger never worth

[paper iron]

lorrgsio

[golden totem]

also more tier set stack and more flawless form stacks

[fair skiff]

thanks for clarifying

[golden totem]

on 2nd sectec

[paper iron]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/rik-reverb?difficulty=mythic

[obtuse orbit]

and thats for every flag window? or just opener we wanna hold till second?

[muted flare]

Is wow server offline for everyone?

[oak grotto]

How do you get 2 eviscerates in a row at 6 and 7

Everytime I do the opened I dont

[golden totem]

shadowcraft

cp refund

[oak grotto]

So what do I do wrong cause I dont get 2x Eviscerate

[vale pine]

shadowcraft typically refunds around that time

[oak grotto]

Ah okay so it isnt guaranteed?

So I might have to send a Backstab or Shadowstrike?

[vale pine]

it can vary

[golden totem]

depends some stuff, do you have shaman buff, bl

[vale pine]

you might need to send strike before double finisher

so yes, absolutely

[golden totem]

this is not a strict opener, just send finisher on 6+cp and don't waste cp refunds when you get them

[fair skiff]

guess ill craft a neck

[vale pine]

yes, it followes the regular rotation priority (from the "explanation" tab in the same section)

[lucid jackal]

Every cooldown

[deft silo]

maybe a stupid question but is nimble flurry/secteq clones cleave range based on the target or your character?

[still anvil]

i am confused, what is the "tech"?

[lucid jackal]

Sectec is target nimble is self

[fallow nimbus]

does +7 drop hero track?

[golden totem]

yes

[ornate lake]

Curious

[ornate lake]

Yes

[oak grotto]

Doesnt it start at +6?

[golden totem]

+6 does too

[still anvil]

what

[ornate lake]

Curious about the tech too

[obtuse orbit]

thanks, also i noticed earlier when the lorggs was posted you said old opener vs new opener. assuming new opener is the wowhead one? prob a very stupid question sorry if it is

[young mural]

sudden demiose has to be the overall coolest talent

just makes mobs disappear

[ornate lake]

I miss playing assa though

[lucid jackal]

Yeah wowhead is new opener

[young mural]

i be blaying both specs

[lucid jackal]

Old opener is barely worse and it's just old habits

[ornate lake]

Those 23M executes hit different

[sudden breach]

got a link?

[golden totem]

how is sudden demise a cool talent

[lucid jackal]

Just go to wowhead rotation page XD

[vale pine]

the removal of vanish-strike from the opener had no dps impact

[lucid jackal]

I'm eatin

[vale pine]

it just made the opener simpler

and easier to fit on some bosses

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[golden totem]

its just a flat bleed buff coupled with a reduced penalty when mobs are dying too quick

[sudden breach]

u mean i dont have to play piano in my openers anymore?

[vale pine]

idk any other big chesses atm

[ornate lake]

Because you can do some bleedmaxxing shenanigans and instakill multiple big mobs.

[golden totem]

already was used to do new opener since queen prog

[oak grotto]

!wa

[golden totem]

cause vanish was kept for mechs

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[golden totem]

and I forgot the old opener meanwhile xd

[oak grotto]

Is there a weakaura for Supercharger?

[vale pine]

but evasion on your opener on rick allows you to stay on the boss when he uses the ground attack

which is a big qol on the boss

[velvet nova]

evasion works like that? big pog

[young mural]

i wasnt aware of that

does that work on all knockback type spells that are physical??

[vale pine]

evasion works on phyical attacks but you always need to double check

also make sure to face towards the direction of the spell

[twilit phoenix]

what about emotional attacks

[vale pine]

so e.g. look at the boss on rick

[young mural]

ok

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[velvet nova]

do we still have that thing there was a spreadsheet or a website that told us what we can immune with our rogue spells

[sudden breach]

^ shadowmeld too

[young mural]

ohh i remember that

can i tank that or something

i dont remember the name, but it used to be so useful

[velvet nova]

no it was another one it was called like book of shadows or something

[mighty citrus]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[young mural]

havent heard of that one

but there was one mainly for tanks that showed if you would get one shot for each mechanic

[velvet nova]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQUy8zeFKz-vhwoExtDchUlXoxiiHvw0UcqLGJGexgbZvmfy4D5ln_hzIE9_OfLXkJKD6XA4YYPAoP/pubhtml#

I found it, was this one

[sly shore]

what's the fastest delve

[vale pine]

the new one in the goblin zone

fungal folly is still fast but blizz did a heavy "no fun allowed" on the dungeon

also bran might be now as usefull as the average lfr player

[obtuse orbit]

tank bran is worst

dude just stands in middle of big puddles

im still tricksing healer bran lol

[midnight folio]

How big is 4p for m+? Bc since this week when most got theirs i feel like a total deadweight unless the pulls dont live long enough outside pf cds

Its so bad im considering assassination for dungeons like priory simply bc stuff lives for so long, despite having not ideal single target

[young mural]

wow this is so cool, do you know if its still accurate on the dungeons we have this season?

like workshop

[still anvil]

i mean uhm

did you open the workshop tab

[vale pine]

4p is rly good for both raid and m+

[young mural]

i cant login into blizzard ffs

multi-billion dollar company btw

microsoft owned btw

[eager patrol]

btw whats the deal with elemental focusing line

ive never seen it do more than 1% of the dmg

is there truly no better options

[young mural]

thats all embellishments sadly

all of them are very weak compared to dragonflight embellishments, @vale pine talked about it a bit more in depth one time

the stats are really low compared to DF

thats why embellishments arent really relevant

all of them are pretty weak so doesnt make that much of a difference

[eager patrol]

yeah I remember the slime one in df

doing big dmg

compared to ww

[vale pine]

embellishments don't scale with item level

so the effect is rly meh

[young mural]

even the blue silken lining was insanely better

[modern crane]

i have some rotation questions if someone doesnt mind

[vale pine]

basically makes them a filler rather than a powerhouse

[modern crane]

weighing in and helping a little?

[vale pine]

you need to ask first ^^

[elfin hound]

what we crafting with 2nd spark. cloak?

[austere spindle]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[eager patrol]

lost card trinket and eye of kezan roll today very sad

[modern crane]

what buttons am i pressing in my down time

[eager patrol]

place 16 in dmg rolled a 100 on cards 💀

[modern crane]

like when i am sending certain abilties with like awkward timings as in

20secs till flagand blades are up

[young mural]

in that scenario you pretty much afk

[sudden breach]

avoid mechanics

[modern crane]

is it always / most of the time symbols off cd even without SecTec?

[young mural]

send a few backstabs/s storms

[vale pine]

depends on your items

you can do any of the low impact slots like back, ring, boots, bracers, belt, etc

usually want to fill one of the slots you have bad items in

[young mural]

by the way fuu, out of CDs/dance, do i start to shuriken storm on 2 or 3 targets? I saw some conflicting info on that

[ornate lake]

I have a crafted blessed weapon.

What's the other best slot to full with embellishment gear? Cloak?

[young mural]

you should sim it, but most people are going towards neck with focusing lens or cloak/boots with writhing armor banding or lining

[ornate lake]

And it's critical/versa or critical/masterym

*?

[vale pine]

3+ would be correct but 2+ is not too big of a diffrence, so i would not overthink it

[vale pine]

back iirc did sim highest

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

but like

[eager patrol]

all the boots in dungeon are haste

[vale pine]

bis lists are a bit weird as you rarely get to bis anyways

[eager patrol]

theres decent cloaks to get

[vale pine]

and slots are close so also would personally go for something giving me power now rather than very long time bis

[true fable]

catalysted cloak is pretty decent aswell right

[vale pine]

you can get a boe for boots

you can get good bracers

you can get a good back

you can get a good belt

you can get good rings

there is no mastery/vers neck but the crit heavy one sims as bis

i don't think there is a "bad" slot this season

[past token]

bracers from one armed bandit, belt from cauldron, what back, trashmaster?

[vale pine]

let me quick check

[young mural]

really? the damage on backstab makes it worth it to have a worst cost on combo points?

thats crazy

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=229284/spectral-gamblers-shawl?bonus=4800:4786:1527:11996&class=4&ilvl=678&spec=261

[young mural]

i mean 2cp for 45 energy is better than 1 cp for 40 energy

[modern crane]

im not sure if you got to see these

[vale pine]

from monger

[modern crane]

^

[past token]

oh catalyzed one

[vale pine]

or

[young mural]

backstab or shuriken storm and eviscerate or black powder

[modern crane]

and this

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=199921?bonus=4786:10051:11991&ilvl=662&spec=261

[young mural]

depends on target counter

[vale pine]

from motherload

[modern crane]

so no symbols

or dance etc

[young mural]

you need 2 symbols charges for your cd window

if you have 1 extra charge you can send it, although idk if it would be worth it

[void hound]

you linked the same one as before

thats the catalyst cloak right

[vale pine]

fixed

but ye catalyst

or trashmasters

boots might be hard to get because BOE is currently not boe

[past token]

i saw the hero boots for like 2m and was so about to take the bullet thinking they were mythic

[blissful shore]

what will you guys be sending as second craft?

[void hound]

boe is cringe

[swift tinsel]

damn really? they're way cheaper on my server

hero was like 800k

[vale pine]

i would sell them if they drop

[swift tinsel]

I got a mail hero belt boe and sold it for feasts lol

[past token]

yeah but i mean it was the price which made me think they were myth

[swift tinsel]

bc for some reason slum sharks are 1200g instead of 400

[somber tendon]

@vale pine what's prolly better in M+ overall, seafoam or eye of kezan?

[wicked urchin]

neck crafted lets go

[swift tinsel]

eye loses a lot of value if you aren't in combat for 3-4minutes

[vale pine]

eye is not good in m+ because you drop stacks

[somber tendon]

seafoam good, or farm priory?

[vale pine]

not sure, would send a sim on it

think something like energy drink is just overall good

[swift tinsel]

drink, pvp trinket

[rotund rock]

what tier of delve drops hero track ?

[somber tendon]

dslice works fine for sub?

[swift tinsel]

8+ with map

[wicked urchin]

i went neck > boots just because i'm more likely to get a solid boot upgrade even if stats aren't ideal

[rotund rock]

ahh thx

[wicked urchin]

and maybe get the boe ones who knows

[lethal thorn]

is it normal that circe sim lower then 2 mastery vers ring for me at 658 ilvl ?

[swift tinsel]

Neck was a 35ilvl upgrade even at 658 so I sent that, then gonna upgrade when I get more gilded this weekend

[wicked urchin]

boots was only 2k more dps than neck for me

both were 645

[swift tinsel]

went dagger with first spark

[somber tendon]

@vale pine does dslice work fine for sub rn, or should i sim 6 targets patchwerk at 1min30s to simulate a m+ pull?

[vale pine]

yes, dungeon slice is good

[sudden breach]

are there still dodges/parries in this game? do i have to always stand behind the boss

[bleak night]

not as trickster

[past token]

oh hell yeah they are, just not as trickster

[vale pine]

make sure you have the right gems in, gems changed.
But it should become worse with mythic item level rings at least

[sudden breach]

tricker only say parries tho, what bout dodges?

[swift tinsel]

I don't think boss dodges are a thing anymore

[young mural]

dodges only fuck you on auto attacks right?