I wouldn’t be upset taking it.
#subtlety
lilac stag
clever delta
New 2set is really bad on its own
worthy escarp
aight ty
vale pine
I am the one who got people to use radar charts, here is the stat distribution from the "bis" gear setup
the gear
vale pine
wowhead is diffrent slightly because the bis lists are not allwoed to include boe gear, but the diffrence is minimal
smoky vault
Just got Hero chest tiers on vault which brings me to 2PC and Assa 2P + 2P sims equivalent to sub, while Sub I have to convert an hero tiers piece for it to be better than 4P S1
Looks like with Assa being better on cleave and execute (junk, muz, one armed ...) I could switch even in ST now
lilac stag
No paying for gear on wowhead
placid crown
Ok the radar chart looks like what i've calculated with the bis items listed
So, bloodmallet is "wrong" about stat distribtion ?
vale pine
bloodmallet is not wrong, it just measures something diffrent
cinder axle
anyone got a weakaura if we have tricks up on the tank? xD
keen dome
I got blessed for running my own normal pug. HoC and a head token. what a day
placid crown
so, what does bloodmallet measure ? sry i dont get it
stiff stirrup
guys in aoe for 8+ targets do we spam shuriken storm or shadowstrike for combo generation
since shadowstrike extends symbol duration
void hound
vale pine
so, what does bloodmallet measure ? sry i dont get it
it changes stats in chunks and measures diffrences in output
it is why it is a more granular scale
the graph i did is simply the amount of stats on gear relative to each other
both are interessting data points
you can usually see stats as nothing "fixed", there is never a "this stat needs exactly this amount of points.
But a balance between the amount of stats gear gives you, item level and special effects.
vale pine
also changing stats usually is not impactful, you can re-distribute some of the mastery to e.g. versatility and it would barely change the output
alpine wraith
yea even in aoe where mastery should be strongest the diff is not big between vers and crit
as much as you might think
vale pine
so unless you have excessive amounts of haste, stats typically are not a big thing to worry about
alpine wraith
watch out for automod
placid crown
ok ok thank you
alpine wraith
yea was a joke ahaha
placid crown
with your experience, "excessive" haste starts at how much ?
alpine wraith
i always forget the fast shortcuts to delete
vale pine
with your experience, "excessive" haste starts at how much ?
it is always a sim question
you won't have all gear pieces at the same time
if you had, you would just use the list above
but given that, you will try to use the best itemlevel/stat combination from your gear options
and it is why top gear is so good for evaluation
you can just put in your /simc and sim whats best within your gear
alpine wraith
yea combinations rock
lilac stag
I like that the robot picks the best ring combo out of bandit.
lilac stag
makes Loot Council a lot easier.
placid crown
thank you for the explanations
vale pine
cat-on-keyboard debuff ruined what i typed
haha, i know the struggle we have 3 fluffs that do that sometimes too
wraith vigil
Hello lads im new to sub and am a giga dog, do i use shadow blades instantly after flagellation and/or why? thanks !
tribal blade
with your experience, "excessive" haste starts at how much ?
pretty much any haste that's over the mandatory amount you must have on your gear
so this tier we will have mandatory haste from tier helm and jastor ring
vale pine
you use blades with or slightly after secret, because you want to empower the shadow clone attacks and don't want to waste premediation
lilac stag
haha, i know the struggle we have 3 fluffs that do that sometimes too
Ready for DFA while raiding. 
wraith vigil
but if we macro in backstab with shadow dance we dont waste premed anyway right?
vale pine
Ready for DFA while raiding. <:garf:1320173032743899157>
cute
vale pine
but if we macro in backstab with shadow dance we dont waste premed anyway right?
premed works on backstab
lilac stag
The angry old man of the house.
gleaming gull
what do you guys reckon, BIS trinket Champion path or tier piece hero path?
wraith vigil
premed works on backstab
thats what i mean, so what do u mean "waste" premed?
lilac stag
how much do you hate transmitter?
vale pine
you essentially want house of cards on any track + any trinket (most of them are good/fine)
wraith vigil
as in not get value because of premed+backstab
vale pine
if you played last season, might use transmitter instead of house of cards before you get into heroic/mythic
manic island
for Junkmaestro's mega magnet trinket is it best to max the stacks and use or ?
lilac stag
Normal HoC you can also “replace” with PVP trinket and take tier
vale pine
thats what i mean, so what do u mean "waste" premed?
shadowblades gives full combo points on each builder used, premed does give full combo points on your next builder use. The effect is the same
lilac stag
can we ask bloodmallet to add PvP trinket?
vale pine
^ so you wait for premed to be used before using blades
lilac stag
Idk if we actually have any contact with him
vale pine
can we ask bloodmallet to add PvP trinket?
you can sugegst it in the sim min max discord channel for it
dawn hinge
does recrafting weapon for upgrades still work, anyone test?
wraith vigil
^ so you wait for premed to be used before using blades
big, thanks man!
vale pine
nope
only trick that still works is the ring one
to be clear what i mean is not crafting but the 11.0.7 ring
dawn hinge
yeah, got it
karmic harbor
is there a specific time to pop shadow dance / symbols outside of shadow blades / flagg burst
tribal blade
is there a specific time to pop shadow dance / symbols outside of shadow blades ...
time it around sectec's cd
you can delay sending if you know you need damage for an upcoming mechanic/pull
south sedge
dire trout
Whats a good way to compare what I’m doing to someone who knows how to play 😂I cant use wowanalyzer sub isnt updated
graceful crown
im curious, does our rotation change at all with the new set?
im at 2 set so it doenst matter but im 1 piece off 4 set, and i wonder if it's worth preserving the stacks
delicate slate
!fuu
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molten citrus
im curious, does our rotation change at all with the new set?
Nop
lusty narwhal
!circlet
cunning acorn
Is it safe to "abuse" the ring upgrade thingy?
steep hemlock
does find weakness matter on any target besides the main target in 6 or less targets
hazy breach
If your main target has find weakness you will cleave the shadow part of your eviscerate
If they have find weakness they will take 10% more damage from the nimble flurry, but those 10% are not enough to warrant using storms in dance
barren sonnet
is tricks 1hr thing bugged? i keep overaggroing later on even tho i used it as first pack
plush roost
I swear 1hr tricks is bugged af haha
lusty narwhal
what gems are we using in circlet?
plush roost
The civilians in rookery just started evading
steep hemlock
u sure we wouldnt use 1 storm with the rotten at the start of dance then
plush roost
u sure we wouldnt use 1 storm with the rotten at the start of dance then
Yes it doesn't math
barren sonnet
i got aggro on all adds on bee boss in meadery even tho i had 50 mins of tricks still
steep hemlock
Yes it doesn't math
kk
tribal blade
and that nimbles for 60% of that
hazy breach
And it procs unseen blade
Which does more damage than the strike, also cleaves, buffs your finishers by 3% and lets you coup
plush roost
Also hi phluxy say hi to robbyrob for me
steep hemlock
Also hi phluxy say hi to robbyrob for me
will do brotha
tribal blade
increases your prio too if that makes a difference
barren sonnet
can i have perma phased up? tooltip indicates 50% uptime? should i target swap every 10 sec in m+?
hazy breach
Its got like 90-95% uptime
short radish
is it ever worth to do the scuffed rupture tech when you're on 8 stacks about to go into flag burst?
barren sonnet
so in m+ i can just perma sit prio target and still cleave with the hero talent that cleaves 7 targets?
lethal thorn
!fuu
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trail inlet
!wa
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vale pine
so in m+ i can just perma sit prio target and still cleave with the hero talent ...
yes, kind of
barren sonnet
there seems to be some basic guides out there but i still dont know what flawless form is and how its impactful haha
twilit phoenix
there seems to be some basic guides out there but i still dont know what flawles...
Wowhead guide is really good
I’d just read that
lilac stag
there seems to be some basic guides out there but i still dont know what flawles...
Have you read the tooltip of your hero talents?
thick cedar
Opinion - Heroic Set legs, or Champion Needle?
twilit phoenix
Is needle the dagger?
thick cedar
yeah
barren sonnet
@lilac stag yes but i never touched sub before, just assa so im a complete noob at it 😄
plush roost
Craft dagger, take legs imo
twilit phoenix
Always a sim angle, but I’d just go hero legs
You can craft dag or get a hero dag from 6+ keys
thick cedar
Legs would give 2 set. So Assuming thats upgrade.
twilit phoenix
<@226395155098370049> yes but i never touched sub before, just assa so im a comp...
Read the wowhead guide bro it’s very good
lilac stag
<@226395155098370049> yes but i never touched sub before, just assa so im a comp...
I mean it’s a damage amp. While some tooltips are weirdly written, that one is pretty clear.
twilit phoenix
Sub wowhead guide helped me do more damage, fixed my marriage, and got my finances sorted
barren sonnet
yes i am reading the guide now 🙂 it has good info, i can singeltarget/burst well, but sometimes i do 6mil aoe and sometimes 2 mil so im missing something jsut tryna figure it out
versed hazel
Do we prioritise coup de grace over ST when we have only 1 supercharged combo point remaining?
short radish
Do we prioritise coup de grace over ST when we have only 1 supercharged combo po...
no
sage grail
!macros
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
full viper
how do we play around coup the grace? or just forget & send?
rustic geyser
cup d. grass
twilit phoenix
Cup deez balls
neon pendant
Hey how does trick of the trade works, cuz it says it lasts for 30sec then an hour but I don't see any buffs
Nevermind figured it out
swift tinsel
Hellll yeah
cobalt vector
Huge!
swift tinsel
GG's
alpine wraith
now i just need to farm m+ to change my magneto shit trinket and upgrade other things
vale pine
4 set acquired boys
congrats
alpine wraith
i find funny that two of the 652 wrists i got are worse than my engi ones
worn tulip
@alpine wraith there is a trinket tier list for m+ Who is accurate??
patent lichen
I got house of cards out of the timewalking chest, we're saved boys 😭
patent lichen
most trinkets suck
I'm aiming for the goon squad trinket, for the boys
rain kernel
any idea why my sims showing me my new 4p is weaker and is telling me to use 2p 2p...?
hazy breach
Because it is
void ocean
holup, 2p2p is stronger than s2 4p???
patent lichen
We gaming boys lol
paper iron
xD
so elechaman
got a random -25% damage bug coming into this reset
great work blizzard
molten citrus
holup, 2p2p is stronger than s2 4p???
gotta be some fuckery going on in that sim
full lagoon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072566287638728786/1349358891166859326/i...
i doubt it with the damage i saw them doing earlier
probably fixed already or some extremely specific trigger
paper iron
nah i m currently doing keys with a ele guildie
he s doing way way less than last week
full lagoon
maybe keys only then
full wyvern
I mashed my way to an orange parse on cauldron. Yippppie
rancid verge
!up
wicked joltBOT
mighty citrus
team why does topgear sim not reflect the new 2p while i see a clear dmg gain on gear compare
mighty citrus
ah thanks
lilac stag
you have to override and force the set combo, no idea why
lilac stag
np!
shell delta
why quick sim doesnt involve Backstab in dance? Not in apl yet or thats still under Qmark?
lilac stag
i dont think it's been pushed to simc
shell delta
So to confirm, backstab is always first builder in dance?
lilac stag
unless you're sitting on full CP, yes. i'm not going to send an evic before dance while I have 8 stack of Winning Streak
devout quarry
Is better to choose on dagger versa + mastery or trinket from floodgate
shell delta
unless you're sitting on full CP, yes. i'm not going to send an evic before danc...
wouldnt use bs after that evis?
cobalt vector
Is better to choose on dagger versa + mastery or trinket from floodgate
The dagger is myth and the trinket hero right? Id say dagger but ye sim
unless u already crafted
lilac stag
as builder ye
teal hemlock
rotation changed?
lilac stag
gg transmitter
fallow nimbus
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
leaden prairie
@vale pine
paper helm
!fuu
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leaden prairie
When was the last time finality was changed
teal hemlock
That macro only good for ST i imagine? When did backstab get added into rotation? that a new sim fix?
swift tinsel
idk if finality has ever changed, outside of taking duration away
lilac stag
week or so ago
leaden prairie
Oh they buffed it a week ago?
swift tinsel
I think he's talking about backstab getting added again
lilac stag
mmhm
swift tinsel
but finality has been the same 15/30% since it was added
the only thing that's changed with it was it used to have duration, now it doesn't
teal hemlock
^^ backstab wasn't in the rotation and I don't see a pin
alpine pollen
so we dont vanish on opener anymore?
lilac stag
way to just make a pin appear
swift tinsel
you can, you don't have to
frees up vanish to use later for utility if needed, or for better timers
swift tinsel
way to just make a pin appear
shit mb
smoky vault
I generally use vanish now to refresh rupture immediately with max cp after burst
lilac stag
next youre gonna tell me theres a pin for WHY DID MY SIM DMG GO UP
lilac stag
somewhat funny, people complain in raid about delves. the two people that ran the most delves are the highest geared in raid as of last night.
lilac stag
"useless" content
paper iron
lilac stag
I ran through 2200 valor stones yesterday once I got 4pc
swift tinsel
lilac stag
a lot of it into delve gear
swift tinsel
patiently waiting
I'm waiting until after tomorrow's heroic prog before taking vault and sending crests
lilac stag
anything good in vault?
patent lichen
gg transmitter
Praise the sun
swift tinsel
Normal HoC, hero Signet and hero track tier shoulders
lilac stag
did you farm up pvp trinket?
lilac stag
i would do that and take one of the other two
patent lichen
Just get house of cards out of the timewalking chest 
lilac stag
or that
swift tinsel
I'm annoyed bc even if I get ksm and take shoulders i'm still at 3pc
I got a cloak lol
lilac stag
mop tw is sooooo fast i love it
patent lichen
Dude I got giga luck with loot the first week
swift tinsel
same, I think I did all 5 in like 30mins
queues are superspeed the first day or two
lilac stag
we're starting mythic thursday
lilac stag
which is 2 weeks faster than we nomrally do
patent lichen
I want to say we're going to at least do vexie and try cauldron this week
swift tinsel
I think we're gonna keep doing normal tues/heroic thurs until more/most people have 4pc
I think 3 people got theirs last night
patent lichen
Huge
lilac stag
we do nomral on "off night" (saturday) and have friends with
swift tinsel
we start doing that on sundays I think once people are starting alts that aren't total rats lol
lilac stag
less than one second away from bandit enrage 
swift tinsel
but we also do m+ parties on monday for vibes and vaults
lilac stag
nice
patent lichen
Last week we kept wiping on bandit at like 1.5% I stopped hard swapping to adds one pull and we killed lol
Obviously this means I never swap right?;
lilac stag
in theory if the boss is there, your cleave should be enough. depends if raid is sleepy
patent lichen
Ye
swift tinsel
our batshit insane fury warrior takes care of our cleave needs
our reclear last night his average parse was a 99
sudden shell
I'm slightly confused - when i look at the guides it recommends backstabing over shadowstrike in the Dance gcd but if you look at the rotten and the quick sim rotation, it just shows shadowstrike only with the new 4pc? is the api outdated or does it not really matter?
swift tinsel
Backstab with premed hasn't been added to base APL
sudden shell
is the 0.5% gain only assuming st too? because in cleave shadowstrike would come ahead?
swift tinsel
iirc the backstab in aoe loses value as we get closer to 7+ targets but I'm not 100% on that
jolly pasture
!fuu
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trail epoch
Can sb confirm that shadow binding ritual knife is still in a the drop table in delves?
I haven't found any player that actually got or seen it
But articles say it still drops
paper iron
just realised after a full key i had coup bugged 
twilit phoenix
just realised after a full key i had coup bugged <:dead:932888396316155934>
what's the bug?
twilit phoenix
Can sb confirm that shadow binding ritual knife is still in a the drop table in ...
yeah honestly, I'm not sure either. i know the fizzy drink is super competitive as well, so it's still worth running delves to try to get that
twilit phoenix
lmao so sick
trail epoch
yeah honestly, I'm not sure either. i know the fizzy drink is super competitive ...
I got in in the vault and now pondering whether I take it or heroic tier
twilit phoenix
Can sb confirm that shadow binding ritual knife is still in a the drop table in ...
this is the one I'm talking about
twilit phoenix
I got in in the vault and now pondering whether I take it or heroic tier
probably a sim angle. tier this early is really good, but you might be able to get hero tier from raid?
hero trinket is basically only from vault or delve map RNG
slate lantern
yeah i dont think the knife is dropping, havent seen one person post about it in the new season
trail epoch
probably a sim angle. tier this early is really good, but you might be able to g...
Yeah, RL told me that he will prioritise
me this week and I got shitty mythics in m+ slots
twilit phoenix
Yeah, RL told me that he will prioritise<:kekdog:907207037757296710> me this we...
that's sweet - i know it sucks to wait on yoinking your vault, but it's probably better to wait then
that hero track trinket is super strong
deep glacier
Anyone know if the shadow damage from siphoning stiletto / elemental focusing lense / remnant of darkness trinket is increased by 4-set?
slate lantern
Can sb confirm that shadow binding ritual knife is still in a the drop table in ...
whispyr says no so no 😦
trail epoch
Sadge
swift tinsel
yeah haven't seen any logs with anyone having it either
slate lantern
yeah haven't seen any logs with anyone having it either
you havent seen my green parses using last seasons 
tranquil garden
Well that explains why I couldn't seem to find one. RIP.
jolly pasture
prolly asked shitloads. sorry. how do we play around tier? only rupture ~20 secs before cds?
signal heath
what sub rogue streamers yall watch?
granite river
casual and zeross
warped zodiac
do i always save 2 charges of shadow dance for flag/SB windows?
slate lantern
prolly asked shitloads. sorry. how do we play around tier? only rupture ~20 secs...
general answer is we dont
hazy breach
do i always save 2 charges of shadow dance for flag/SB windows?
You should always use 2 charges of shadow dance during blades yes
warped zodiac
just trying to fix my mid-pull rotation. always use shadow dance too quickly so i gotta get use to holding it
thanks boys
granite river
hey @hazy breach you said this yesterday about shuriken storm use, "3 outside dance, at 7 or more storm *once *in dance". so you dont storm at all in dance up to 7 targets ? not even for FW ?
slate lantern
just trying to fix my mid-pull rotation. always use shadow dance too quickly so ...
theres a certain timing cadence that tells you when you can send SD
granite river
No storm in dance
word thanks, didnt think about FW just being for bp
slate lantern
just trying to fix my mid-pull rotation. always use shadow dance too quickly so ...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uQH2cyFpJH9eVS_GC58EHYylpZM7Qtqt-CfHCF-pRBY/edit?usp=sharing
this has a general chart of when to send things
slate lantern
also LE
warped zodiac
beast
granite river
yeah and less coup stack potential
twilit phoenix
i love hacha so much it's unreal
hushed kelp
Is Sec Tech still bugged with 4pc?
hazy breach
Sometimes yes
keen steppe
is eye of kezan good for m+?
slate lantern
is eye of kezan good for m+?
does the pope shit in the woods?
frank narwhal
Hey, I'm noticing sometimes that Coup de Grace isn't refunding combo points when used during symbols and 7+ combo points stored. Is there something I'm missing?
cursive vapor
is eye of kezan good for m+?
I'd say yes anyone agree?
tired hound
nah
trim radish
does the pope shit in the woods?
brisk raptor
I have a macro that uses flagellation and transmitter, but sometimes when I press it, it doesn’t use flagellation. It uses the transmitter for sure because I’m seeing the week aura and getting the buff. Then I looked down a couple seconds later to notice that flagellation never went off. Anyone else having this issue?
And sometimes it works fine
tired hound
ur out of range
kind bluff
Flag requires mele range
slate lantern
I have a macro that uses flagellation and transmitter, but sometimes when I pres...
you have to make sure your gcd isnt on cd if youre just pressing it once, that or range
keen steppe
I'd say yes anyone agree?
idk that why i ask, in head for sin its not so god bcs it looses a lot of uptime bcs of runpaths between packs
dont know if its the case for sub
brisk raptor
you have to make sure your gcd isnt on cd if youre just pressing it once, that o...
That makes sense, I couldn’t figure it out, but I’m sure it’s one of those two things
still trellis
dont know if its the case for sub
i mean, you also have the same amount of downtimes with sub as you have with assa, so my small brain would say its the exact same scenario
slate lantern
That makes sense, I couldn’t figure it out, but I’m sure it’s one of those two t...
yeah if you SS to start combat and hit it immediately, transmitter will proc and flag wont. so just make sure you wait a sec
keen steppe
i mean, you also have the same amount of downtimes with sub as you have with ass...
small brains are op thank you
slate lantern
That makes sense, I couldn’t figure it out, but I’m sure it’s one of those two t...
or if you have less than mythic transmitter just get the pvp trinket and never worry about that ever again 
lapis hatch
is eye of kezan good for m+?
No not like how it’s bis for raid
steel zinc
so you can get a rare item hype!
keen dome
Hell yeah rare items
grave delta
can they buff this thing...
cursive vapor
idk that why i ask, in head for sin its not so god bcs it looses a lot of uptime...
well i'd say it is not bad
nova elk
Got signet of the priory mythic in vault. I see it looks bad for sub
vale pine
it did sime decent
lilac stag
I have a macro that uses flagellation and transmitter, but sometimes when I pres...
GCD was active from previous attack.
vale pine
unsure if it changed
shell delta
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grave delta
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uDzbhhDfCKr4ujTyTScZjJ does the sim not use this trinket at all
or
lilac stag
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uDzbhhDfCKr4ujTyTScZjJ does the sim not u...
Try swapping trinket slots. Transmitter can cause issues.
grave delta
rotund obsidian
is aoe opener: shadow strike then storm with rotten in dance?
grave delta
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gGab6uemAyJxrYMFqYHEoA even with a passive trinket its not being used I think?
lilac stag
@hazy breach ^ trinket not implemented?
wraith vigil
What are the rules for rupturing? How many do we rupture and why do we rupture instead of going into just AoE instantly
grave delta
my blastmaster 3000 
alpine wraith
pacemaker can krangle sims yes
lilac stag
What are the rules for rupturing? How many do we rupture and why do we rupture i...
You cd immediately or as soon as they’re up.
alpine wraith
it just triggers the 20 secs thingy
plain jay
whats the 2 ticks of evis dmg in log, i see 2 spell id, is the normal and the other the additional shadow dmg if target has fw?
lilac stag
pacemaker can krangle sims yes
That’s not pacemaker
teal hemlock
is top simc with crafted dagger? thought we just want the mythic daggers from raid
alpine wraith
ah the blastmaster
lilac stag
Raidbots
teal hemlock
but we can just get double vers/mast mythic daggers from raid..
lilac stag
Droptimizer
placid verge
Bloodmallet is not updated i think
silver mural
Hi, I would like to give it a try so sub in m+, can anyone tell me some good updated guide or yt to check it out?
languid wharf
blood mallet for trinkets is outdated still
lilac stag
but we can just get double vers/mast mythic daggers from raid..
Good luck with that for progression
teal hemlock
You don't need a 675 dagger to kill 3rd boss xD
lilac stag
hi Ion. Can you drop me two mythic daggers please.
wraith vigil
You cd immediately or as soon as they’re up.
I'm not sure what this has to do with rupture sorry
teal hemlock
our BiS daggers are early in the raid so not sure why you are trolling lmfao
lilac stag
I'm not sure what this has to do with rupture sorry
If your cds are up you don’t send it
keen dome
My normal pug cleared in just over an hour. Super happy with my normal tactics. We did 3/8H because lmao, Lockensprocket mines are TOO COMPLICATED for pugs. And also Stix is stix.
wraith vigil
Arh so i spread if i dont have my shit, thanks sir!
keen dome
I gotta figure out an easier way for heroic pugs on locken
swift tinsel
Yeah those two might need some ilvl brute-forcing lol
hazy breach
"bis" is fake
lilac stag
our BiS daggers are early in the raid so not sure why you are trolling lmfao
You actually have to get there and gear yourself. Crafted dagger is far and away biggest upgrade right now and will have use for some time.
teal hemlock
That is my question cause the sim showing crafted OH
languid wharf
"bis" is fake
highest sim possible
agreen its minor but it still is higher potential
keen dome
Isn't it withinc rit variance?
swift tinsel
some of those differences are caught under error range
hazy breach
Theres like 50 combinations that are all withing 100 dps
languid wharf
if youre just comparing the dagger, if you factor in crafting boots and belt with dual elemental focusing lens it is higher than you think
teal hemlock
Okay so crafted cloak and boots is still the play if you have 2 mythic daggers and not speaking on prog or anything else. lmfao
languid wharf
correct
hazy breach
Craft whatever slot you dont have a mythic item in
languid wharf
earlier the dagger will be more dps
hazy breach
And if you dont have a myth mainhand dagger its the best craft by far
languid wharf
if your guild is planning on get 3 M bosses early you can plan for that but will cost you some dps in the meantime to save some gold
hazy breach
ye and then it doesnt drop
And you end up doing 5% less damage for 4 weeks until it drops
languid wharf
exactly that is why it is better to just craft the OH
but your foolin if you think youre not gonna lose later on min/maxing 2x Myth daggers with dual focus lens
tepid trellis
shadow lance
Hi, I would like to give it a try so sub in m+, can anyone tell me some good upd...
!guide
tiny sierra
should i always do 1 backstab on SD or only for aoe?
tepid trellis
Theres like 50 combinations that are all withing 100 dps
what if i need those 100 dps?
hollow snow
should i always do 1 backstab on SD or only for aoe?
pretty sure it loses value 7+ but not positive
keen dome
So with our tier - we just keep an eye on stacks going into big burst blast time and otherwise it's pretty w/e, right?
swift tinsel
Yeah pretty much
keen dome
Neato
lilac stag
what if i need those 100 dps?
Is that 100dps going to outweigh you trolling Colour by not sending your craft on wdps?
tranquil garden
Dps now is a lot better than theoretical DPS later. Craft that f****** dagger.
tepid trellis
Is that 100dps going to outweigh you trolling Colour by not sending your craft o...
no
tepid trellis
a quite funny thing is that OH
swift tinsel
Sim the disappointment
tepid trellis
is lowest statbudget we can go for
tranquil garden
People acting like their DPS is a savings account or something, if they just lower it now it'll pay off later. Like bro, what are you playing this game for?
lilac stag
if I knew a dps was sitting on a craft I’d have LC just disenchant the dagger
tepid trellis
ngl if people are planning their craft for what gear your might look like 8 weeks into the tier
they be doing it wrong
swift tinsel
right I sent craft as soon as it was an ilvl upgrade
lilac stag
you’re legit just slowing prog down
slate lantern
I SEE GREEN NUMBERS I CRAFT GREEN NUMBERS 
lilac stag
run your delves you good little hood rats
shadow lance
before i use first SoD before ST i do 1 backstab then
SD/SoD/Backstab > SB/Trinket/SecTec/Shadowstrike > Evis > Evis
swift tinsel
already got my 3x 11's done
teal hemlock
I don't think it is that crazy to think that since our daggers come from 3rd mythic boss holding 10 ilvl from mainhand is that bad lmfao.
tiny sierra
SD/SoD/Backstab > SB/Trinket/SecTec/Shadowstrike > Evis > Evis
ty
haughty mural
tepid trellis
I don't think it is that crazy to think that since our daggers come from 3rd myt...
or you craft it, and it drops and now you also got an OH
swift tinsel
Sluice is fine but sometimes brann pulls stuff through the floor
tepid trellis
and now the stonks are up
teal hemlock
then it is just 10ilvl from an OH
swift tinsel
if you're on a higher level
tranquil garden
I don't think it is that crazy to think that since our daggers come from 3rd myt...
Do you think you're putting your DPS in a savings account or something? You and everybody else you're with want you to do better damage now, not theoretical damage later.
tepid trellis
then it is just 10ilvl from an OH
yeh but now your off hand is also still shit
so
it costs the same amount of crests to upgrade that dagger as it does to craft one
teal hemlock
3rd boss prog is not what matters.
tepid trellis
i fucking wish they didn
t
nerf it
just to watch people struggle
we very much likely would not have killed it if we didn't have a few people craft weps for it
short radish
3rd boss prog is not what matters.
Yeah doing big numbers is what matters, and MH gives big numbers
swift tinsel
I think almost, if not everyone in my guild crafted wep week 1 that could
lilac stag
3rd mythic boss is free loot piñata
haughty mural
yea you will need an enchant for when you kill 3rd boss
tepid trellis
3rd mythic boss is free loot piñata
thats the enrage cast btw
haughty mural
with its 100% dagger drop chance
tepid trellis
when it died
teal hemlock
I mean I am rockin a 665 MH atm. I simply asked what BiS was because of the sim and everyone got worked up about not crafting a dagger.
crazy
swift tinsel
and people told you why
teal hemlock
and i got my answer
tepid trellis
9/10 times a mainhand craft is whats gonna give you the most power for progress
if you care about progress
teal hemlock
but everyone frreaked out about crafting a dagger
tepid trellis
you craft a dagger
weary saffron
just forgetting to mention the part where you went on about it being bad because daggers are from 3rd boss
swift tinsel
^
lilac stag
thats the enrage cast btw
So our bandit kill was less than 1 second away from wipe. 💀
haughty mural
dont craft anything
just loot it
lilac stag
Rewarded with two HOC
swift tinsel
dont craft anything
just loot it
<a:catJAM:744644069015420959>
based AF
tepid trellis
you'd wanna setup crafts for whats gonna be best while prog is going not for how you gear is on farm
lilac stag
still don’t have free loot from 3rd mythic
tranquil garden
Don't run anything now. Anyway. Season 3 the item level will be higher, just go back and do the season 2 raid when you have the higher item level. 🧠
swift tinsel
if I save dps now, my dps in s3 will be higher
teal hemlock
@weary saffron no where did i go on about it being bad to craft a dagger. I was asking a straight up question. Just went back and looked lmfao
haughty mural
if I save dps now, my dps in s3 will be higher
tepid trellis
like i ran sims for it so many times
Crafting dagger + looting dagger from boss
was a way higher increase than crafting anything else
- dagger drop
so its like w/e
lilac stag
I think my next highest craft is neck
weary saffron
You don't need a 675 dagger to kill 3rd boss xD
you start being cringe here
tepid trellis
is if you do third boss mythic
dagger drops week 1
and vault drops dagger
week 2
then it wouldve sucked
teal hemlock
@weary saffron I mean that is still true.
misty hedge
!guide
tepid trellis
but the changes of that happening is fcking slim
lilac stag
so echo and liquid
short radish
<@162728872276787200> I mean that is still true.
Just because a statement is correct, does not mean you are right
lilac stag
lol
weary saffron
trust trash panda
shadow lance
<@162728872276787200> I mean that is still true.
You don't need weapon to kill a bear but it fucking helps
teal hemlock
Alright well fuck me for asking a question about the difference between sim/wowhead
haughty mural
why didnt perfecto just loot it 2x
teal hemlock
my bad
haughty mural
smh my head
tepid trellis
like guilds like RWF guys, yeah
tranquil garden
Question was fine. Literally everything else was WTF
tepid trellis
they did not need to craft weapons
but they also ran 14 splits per person
having a raid in full 4set week 1
and trinket and hc daggers and what not
full viper
does "the first dance" start weirdly late after leaving combat?
short radish
does "the first dance" start weirdly late after leaving combat?
Yes
tepid trellis
but nobody here is them, besides @naive zodiac
tranquil garden
Also seemed like the question wasn't the question, but rather looking for confirmation on your pre-existing opinion
short radish
Bosses will also be pulled when you have .5 seconds left of you getting tfd
weary saffron
stealthi is typing too fast
tranquil garden
Stay in stealth, sometimes you can join the combat late
tepid trellis
stealthi is typing too fast
im laying down its hard man
tranquil garden
A weakaura helps
weary saffron
i feel it
fallen fable
heya , do u have an alternativ macro or something for when u press danse and u wanna do 1 backstab
bcs in stealth it put me shadostrike insta
swift tinsel
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
lilac stag
but nobody here is them, besides <@214460655120547852>
Maybe JPC comes back after getting smarter.
shadow lance
heya , do u have an alternativ macro or something for when u press danse and u w...
On diff keybind, You can just do something like this :
#Showtooltip Backstab
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Backstab
fallen fable
On diff keybind, You can just do something like this :
#Showtooltip Backstab
/c...
this is work on same keybind ?
short radish
Maybe JPC comes back after getting smarter.
He did. He rerolled spriest
lilac stag
education paying off
placid verge
what do you think about amorphous relic guys ?
placid verge
why sub not ? the buff is insane no ?
hazy breach
Haste 👎
lilac stag
that was my first map item.
haughty mural
The problem mecha core amplifier has
placid verge
and Remnant of Darkness ?
lilac stag
running dbl on use right now with the delve fang
placid verge
i dont have a lot of choice 😦
young mural
running dbl on use right now with the delve fang
the fuck is dbl
haughty mural
Double
fallen fable
On diff keybind, You can just do something like this :
#Showtooltip Backstab
/c...
is it working on same keybind so ?
young mural
oh
twilit phoenix
how long would it take to farm 525 conquest
young mural
why is scath doing that
double on use, i haven't seen that since DF
ashes + branch 
slate beacon
im also living the double-on-use lifestyle
haughty mural
Think Mark think
haughty mural
Probably he lacks alternatives
slate beacon
that's crazy so blizz just gonna upp'n give you my trinket out here in front of everybody
that's crazy
jade urchin
no more wiping my m+ groups on floodgate 3rd boss cause my transmitter platform tells me to go right
jade urchin
im free from the shackles
slate beacon
took a hero cards over myth tier chest yesterday
that's the right decision
jade urchin
took a hero cards over myth tier chest yesterday
same with helm/legs
slate beacon
next week, im gonna get a mythic house of cards in my vault i just know it, 100%
it's happening
twilit phoenix
slate beacon
blizz gonna reward my patience
vale pine
finally transmitter free
congrats
slate beacon
525 conquest points is 45mins
twilit phoenix
525 conquest points is 45mins
slate beacon
just queue for 2s or go 4/6 in solo queue
slate beacon
3s is fatster but u need another person as well
slate lantern
is double sub rogue meta in 2s
slate beacon
no but maybe u can make it meta, idk
twilit phoenix
should have done last week's pvp quest
slate beacon
yeah last weeks pvp quest was to go into the dragonflight massage parlor and fuck everyone up who is getting a massage
real panther
yo guys, is there a loot list (not ilvl table, items) you can get from the delves?
twilit phoenix
like 1hour30
2s or solo queue is the move?
slate beacon
yo guys, is there a loot list (not ilvl table, items) you can get from the delve...
yeah it's called the delve loot list 2025 wow items
slate beacon
that's also not a bad choice
twilit phoenix
+ the wintergrasp quest
dope ty king
slate beacon
nicescreenshot
tiny sierra
Guys what's up with sub
cleave potential on assa is higher
slate lantern
Guys what's up with sub
name a more iconic combination: AI profile picture and being randomly obsessed with arbitrary tier lists and meta
slate beacon
what's wrong w/ AI profile pictures
clever delta
Fuck this shit, back to priory prison
keen dome
slate beacon
name a more iconic combination: AI profile picture and being randomly obsessed w...
anime profile banner and cringe AF opinions
twilit phoenix
he checked his profile
slate beacon
its animated so its a whole movie up on there
slate lantern
twilit phoenix
slate lantern
look at this nerd caring 
slate beacon
invite me to that server rn
obtuse shard
guys, would we send cd at start if got assigned to be jailed in mugzee
hollow spear
Imagine being stuck at 3 tier pieces (incl. 2 catalyst charges)
slate beacon
giving discord $ to selll ur data 🤔
swift tinsel
Imagine being stuck at 3 tier pieces (incl. 2 catalyst charges)
I see your 3 and raise you zero
slate lantern
Fuck this shit, back to priory prison
chrome palm
guys, would we send cd at start if got assigned to be jailed in mugzee
dont hold cds for goons
hollow spear
I see your 3 and raise you zero
holy
swift tinsel
9 people in our raid group have 0/4
hollow spear
Imagine feeling like going back to sin
swift tinsel
I mean sometimes I get sleepy so I get it
slate lantern
dave and dave in 4k having a convo 
hollow spear
wanna join, knock-off stealthi?
hollow snow
diet stealthi
slate lantern
no im drunk stealthi, cause i have a miller lite
swift tinsel
Temu stealthi
solemn creek
Imagine having so bad scaling that everyone sims is higher then u on a trinket or looy
swift tinsel
We Have Stealthi At Home
hollow spear
hahah
midnight iron
chat is the thug hotline trinket sim bait? it's like 1% of my damage in raid (655)
hollow spear
I was about to type it
solemn creek
Almost wish i didnt have this stupid transmitter
twilit phoenix
"HOC is only marginally better for this sub rogue with transmitter"
twilit phoenix
chat is the thug hotline trinket sim bait? it's like 1% of my damage in raid (65...
slate lantern
"HOC is only marginally better for this sub rogue with transmitter"
just delete transmitter its that easy
solemn creek
Its hero lvl and can only be beat by house of card
solemn creek
just delete transmitter its that easy
Thats scummy tho
twilit phoenix
do what you gotta do
hollow spear
my mythic transmitter sims somewhere between 0,4 and 1,1% better than my normal hoc
solemn creek
Id prefer blizz obliterate it to nothingness
hollow spear
and I still use my normal hoc
twilit phoenix
did you get passed on HOC again 
hollow spear
some bosses in undermine are too cringe with transmitter
twilit phoenix
did the fdk or monk in your group get HOC 
clever delta
We did not even drop hoc or kezan in raid so far
solemn creek
some bosses in undermine are too cringe with transmitter
Got to think where u face on gallywix
So the orb doesnt insta jump into hole
hollow spear
on average I am losing 2-3 transmitters per raid night
that's probably already 2% right there 😄
solemn creek
Yup!
weak hamlet
Im the guy on the right guys, do you have any idea why i got outdpsed by 120k (similar gear). I know you cant tell a lot from the breakdown but lmk what u think
hollow spear
looks like you're bad at pressing your cooldowns
higher backstab damage
lower shadow blades and sectec damage
can't say more really
solemn creek
Evi is similar tho
weak hamlet
u could say less xd
solemn creek
Is that a fight with add?
solemn creek
2nd boss has 2 target
twilit phoenix
Im the guy on the right guys, do you have any idea why i got outdpsed by 120k (s...
when are you cold blooding?
weak hamlet
sectech
twilit phoenix
yeah but which one
weak hamlet
dont have it macro'd
solemn creek
U can time to alwaya hit both when they colid
uncut socket
!wa
wicked joltBOT
tranquil garden
What does use normal mean?
twilit phoenix
you should always try to CB the second one in cooldowns
even if it means holding it
and losing a use
weak hamlet
What does use normal mean?
on cd
tranquil garden
What's up with that 7M difference on suffocating darkness too
Are you not enchanting your stuff
solemn creek
Ya. U using 2 rank3?
tranquil garden
Maybe you don't have enough up time on the boss in comparison or something. Meaning less overall secret technique casts.
solemn creek
U have 10 more million in shadowstrike tho
clever delta
Sub so many min maxes and than you clasws which spam two button
weak hamlet
oh prob cause im using 2 different enchants
oak grotto
https://gyazo.com/47430c109a0c7e750e9f6c266260fbf1 So I got this from timewalking
is that good
weak hamlet
i have 12 more evis casts
tranquil garden
Well definitely fix the cold blood problem
strange chasm
Whats the best way to get conquest?
solemn creek
https://gyazo.com/47430c109a0c7e750e9f6c266260fbf1 So I got this from timewalkin...
Lucky u. I got useless neck. And ya its bis. But not sure at lower lvl.. sim.it lol
weak hamlet
aite boys appreciate all the help
paper flame
!symbols
twilit phoenix
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
hollow spear
@lilac stag did we get a conclusion when it came to "does the robot sim perfect transmitter pickups"?
oak grotto
**__Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges:__**```
#showtooltip Symbo...
Does this do that you cant cast Symbols when you already have a symbols rolling? Or can you press when there is like few seconds left?
terse dirge
What are the chances blizz un-nerfs the sec tec nerf lmao
uncut socket
!tott
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
Sin just gets so much funnel from all the adds they just obliterate the bosses ..
twilit phoenix
it was literaly the opposite
oak grotto
Everywhere I read Sub is top tier, but what happened to make the specc that good?
twilit phoenix
people went to sub by the end of s1
especially for queen
queen sub timers were perf
lavish girder
Sin just gets so much funnel from all the adds they just obliterate the bosses ....
No that's my name
clever delta
At progress but thqn on farm assa was played more
There was no parses on sub
Later on
hollow spear
I don't understand why you hang out here, Sap
are you trying to drag people back to Sin with you? 😄
clever delta
I'm not dragging anyone
clever delta
I just play on progress what's best with gear i have
And I hang out here since like idk 10 years
lavish girder
it's the easiest boomer rogue spec
I'll be honest, after being an outlaw one trick for almost two years, now playing sub, I find all three to not be very boomer friendly. Sin is the easiest but it's still got weird interactions and it's opener is still fast
But I'm also a boomer by gaming standards so maybe that's the joke
tepid trellis
pvp talent
clever delta
Everyone boomer, imagine being Young and playing this 20y old game
tepid trellis
turn off warmode
lavish girder
Everyone boomer, imagine being Young and playing this 20y old game
True
slate lantern
oh LOL
hollow spear
Don't know
slate lantern
ignore me i just pressed random buttons on my pvp talents and didnt read
clever delta
I find current sub harder than dust version
For sure
Taking tier set in consideration too
hollow spear
Well you don't really
lavish girder
I mean yeah, I find soon yin pure single target to be agonizing but I've played even slower/less complicated specs. I'm more just saying rogue as a whole is kinda not bottom barrel easy
hollow spear
Maybe the odd rupture before flag
But it's not like you're actively changing your playstyle because of tier
clever delta
Well I do
twilit phoenix
I mean yeah, I find soon yin pure single target to be agonizing but I've played ...
yeah I'd totally agree
the easiest rogue spec is harder than a lot of other melee classes
but I think the gulf between sin and outlaw is huge
especially ST
clever delta
Just try bm hunter, it feel like different world.
twilit phoenix
clever delta
You literally do nothing
tranquil garden
not true. you do mechanics.
lavish girder
but I think the gulf between sin and outlaw is huge
Agreed
clever delta
Yeah and hunters endup mechanic whores as there is not punishment in doing so
twilit phoenix
being fully mobile as ranged always is insane
dying to mechanics as BM is hard trolling
clever delta
Amount of defensive they have
twilit phoenix
you have to legit go out of your way
lavish girder
BM being high apm but easy is a nice niche imo. And a mechanics machine yeah
lilac stag
<@226395155098370049> did we get a conclusion when it came to "does the robot si...
Yes. It’s perfect. It aligns pickup with sectech every time. The when to start the game is the 1-3 second variable.
So PvP trinket more than likely better than heroic.
mental and performance wise
hollow spear
So it changes up when you activate by 1-3 seconds
lilac stag
correct
hollow spear
but always activates right on sectec
lilac stag
correct
hollow spear
weird approach
lilac stag
The trinket performance has had like 5 or 6 different implementations.
because every spec does it differently
hollow spear
my approach is that I always activate right with flag
and pick up randomly
somewhere between 2 and 12 seconds after
they need to implement that
lilac stag
the buff timing is the important so it’s likely a little bait. Stelthi and Fuu did pickup on flag and it was 24% worse if I recall.
It’s a dead trinket. Just replace it. 
@tepid trellis when you’re not on LA. What was mythic transmitter flag pickup loss?
finite glen
!macros
tepid trellis
or so
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.so basically be good every time
alpine wraith
also anyone with amorphoes relic can do some tests for me?
swift tinsel
I've got one too if you need
hollow spear
but like 29k
on a 5 min patchwerk?
alpine wraith
just if you can make it proc again in dungeon combat with a boss
tepid trellis
on a 5 min patchwerk?
yes
alpine wraith
i know for sure on raid it wont work with vanish
hollow spear
That'd be like 1,4% ish
alpine wraith
can just try it on a tw or whatever
lilac stag
That'd be like 1,4% ish
I think if you split the different you’re looking at like 12-18k less dps than always Sectech. And that’s mythic.
swift tinsel
follower dungeon?
lilac stag
if you have heroic. Just get a pvp trinket.
swift tinsel
either way I can check it after this 2
hollow spear
I got a mythic transmitter
but got a normal hoc
and I won't look back
(I think)
haughty mural
I have … 68 i believe
lilac stag
mastery gear keeps finding me.
hollow spear
omega
lilac stag
I ain’t complaining
lilac stag
But gonna swap all gems and enchants to vers
hollow spear
love the dr
lilac stag
18% before flask
hollow spear
pvp trinket sims 1% worse than normal hoc for me
plush roost
is the wax whistle sim bait
or do i get to have minecarts flying across my screen for a bit
hollow spear
don't know why these kinds of trinkets would be simbait
but I'd still take the energy drink
golden totem
3..
lucid jackal
How do I get 600 conquest quickly
short owl
3s
hollow spear
for the badge?
haughty mural
or do i get to have minecarts flying across my screen for a bit
Let them fly brotherman
lilac stag
The carts sim well to make sure rogue gets some type of attack visual.
rain stratus
pvp trinket sims 1% worse than normal hoc for me
Is it hard to get?
lilac stag
just if you can make it proc again in dungeon combat with a boss
what are you wanting me to do? just start combat and vanish?
lilac stag
craft one
knotty venture
Its the raidbots simc with house of card bug or something? Why simc less dps?Maybe because i have 2 on use item?
wild hornet
i was holding my craft spark for this vault
wide shale
any good Sub rogue POV in raid so far? I orange parse on Sin....i struggle to get even purple on sub so far. I think im making big mistakes on CD management. Would love to see a good POV vid
lilac stag
are you complaining about getting mythic tier legs?
lilac stag
any good Sub rogue POV in raid so far? I orange parse on Sin....i struggle to ge...
steathi usually streams. you'll get more info from posting !log
wild hornet
are you complaining about getting mythic tier legs?
yes
lilac stag
hilarious
lilac stag
and now you'll never replace those legs thhis tier
wild hornet
i doubt legs are this rare
last season i was struggling to get hands
and only got feet
tepid trellis
Its the raidbots simc with house of card bug or something? Why simc less dps?May...
transmitter is just turbo busted
wild hornet
and now you'll never replace those legs thhis tier
i mean seriously wouldnt it be better if i took gloves that replace a s1 piece
rather than taking a piece that replaces a champion track
lilac stag
gloves are the tier we eventually dont want
immediate yeah ilvl likely better but sim it and see if it's really worth
lilac stag
just sim the two pieces against your two current pieces
twilit phoenix
highest sim is some random heroic neck
sim the pvp neck
it's giga vers and mast
gonna do some peeveepvee later for it
lilac stag
craft the neck with your heroic feebie next week
sick jackal
my sims show heroic house of cards is lower than myth transmitter is there a issue with sims on transmitter?
wild hornet
just sim the two pieces against your two current pieces
legs still sim higher
lilac stag
yes/no. it plays perfectly
wild hornet
guess it is legs then
twilit phoenix
only goes up to 658
but it's like the only vers/mast neck in the game
outside of crafting
lilac stag
legs still sim higher
so take the legs 
wild hornet
it's not even a craft, you just buy it with conq
how much conquest is it
twilit phoenix
525
lilac stag
you still have to spend crests to upgrade
twilit phoenix
haven't farmed it myself, but apparently, it shouldn't take that long
scath got the pvp trinket
twilit phoenix
you still have to spend crests to upgrade
buy neck, get shitty 655 neck from keys, and upgrade for free 
lilac stag
imagine having loot drop from keys
knotty venture
transmitter is just turbo busted
but why transmiter + house is not give me more dps than transmiter + egg?
wild hornet
then i didnt get shit from keys
lilac stag
@alpine wraith buff drops as soon as you vanish on trash. it stays active on boss.
tepid trellis
but why transmiter + house is not give me more dps than transmiter + egg?
double on use does nothing
all your dmg in is your major cds every 1min30
so the passive stats
from the other trinket wins out
twilit phoenix
peepeepoopoo type shit
wild hornet
but why transmiter + house is not give me more dps than transmiter + egg?
double on use works better for low cders like ret
knotty venture
from the other trinket wins out
ohhh I understand, thanks
shadow lance
this is work on same keybind ?
Put it same place in each bar
alpine wraith
<@131174440183529472> buff drops as soon as you vanish on trash. it stays active...
so you can make it proc twice
lilac stag
no
alpine wraith
ok
lilac stag
it keeps the current buff during boss fight
quick crater
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.so many sadge people today with weapon crafts
rain stratus
Is it the 1-minute on use PvP trinket we want?
alpine wraith
yea it is quite decent
lilac stag
hollow spear
dunno why weapon crafts are considered bad