subtlety

[sly shore]

yeah this spec plays completely different

gl

[grave delta]

hello

cheater

[grave delta]

u guys just have no vers but no big big difference in mastery

[tepid trellis]

ingame

[lilac stag]

Big Crit

[vestal escarp]

crit went up big time this season

between gear and pacemaker

[lilac stag]

Imagine having trinkets

Or 4pc

[cloud rover]

Same

[lilac stag]

Some of us out here grinding random BGs

[haughty mural]

4pc

[lilac stag]

Legit 1 leather piece in 22 keys.

[haughty mural]

atleast i got top ring

[fallow nimbus]

0 pieces for 3 to 4 keys then i loot a cloak or pants while others get floodgate trinket

[grave delta]

need 655 chest,legs and dagger then im done

[lilac stag]

Farmed the honor for sockets and pvp ring.

[vestal escarp]

i got signet while farming for mast vers ring

[haughty mural]

i have no time for bgs atm

[haughty mural]

same - and i couldnt trade

my team hates me

actually when i dropped signet a mate dropped the ring and we both couldnt trade each other

[analog grove]

anyone know whats the weakaura name for that plus in middle of your character?

[tepid trellis]

only need head

and i cba grinding for that

[haughty mural]

because he forgot to do the thing with circlet

[grave delta]

4th helm drop had a socket

[tepid trellis]

C

[grave delta]

is that champ track

[tepid trellis]

hero

[hazy breach]

Normal and hc items are practically the same anyway

[grave delta]

why do u need a helm then...

[tepid trellis]

free 3 ilvl

[grave delta]

o right

[lucid swallow]

do you need to hit the same target you hit with flag as prio or can you swap prio targets after you use flag?

[vestal escarp]

Erm, tempered mastery is tied for alchemical chaos in my sim

[blissful gale]

flag should used on the prio target

[lucid swallow]

so you essentially loose the benefit of flag if you change targets?

[tepid trellis]

No

Don’t have to hit the target with flag on

[blissful gale]

mb then

[grave delta]

How much of a gain is the no dance sec tec

Most of the time I'm too scared to press it in case it's not back up in time for cds

[vestal escarp]

you can send it comfortably with the dry sod you use every other cds cycle

[lavish nebula]

can someone explain to me how the nimble and sec tech cleave works? is it depending on my position or from the target i hit?

[sly shore]

it's around you

not your target

[lavish nebula]

fo sec tech as well?

[half quest]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[honest grail]

Hey guys, if there is any experienced sub rogues around, could you help me reviewing these logs? #1348834102337474560 message

[wheat zinc]

Hey guys, I'm new to sub. What talent/ability causes combo points to reset to full after using a finisher?

[sly shore]

shadowcraft

capstone talent

[wheat zinc]

ty!

[lucid swallow]

is there any strat to play around shadowcraft to maximize dps or is that all passive?

[tepid trellis]

passive

[bronze turret]

Ignoring it is prob a dps increase

[cobalt edge]

hey, is trickster Tricks of Trade talent bugged or im just dumb
it should be an hour long, but still works for 30s?

[void ocean]

sometimes it takes a few times

I think you have to actually hit a mob within those 30 sec

[rancid axle]

you just use it on your tank, attack once and you get 60min buff

[void ocean]

to convert to 1h

[cobalt edge]

oh this way - understood

[shy scarab]

get pvp trinket instead then 😄

[proven plover]

my trinkets are a disaster

[tepid trellis]

o7

[void hound]

sim values cant portray the gain i get from house of cards by not playing transmitter anymore

[oak grotto]

When do use Shuriken Storm vs Backstab as a builder?

[keen steppe]

Grats to heroic house D:

[proven plover]

ye we will see

how our loot council feels

[oak grotto]

And also, do you use Coup the Grace in AOE? Or only if it's below 7 targets?

[grave delta]

isn't pvp trinket a downgrade from mythic transmitter...

[tepid trellis]

outside of dance at +3 and inside of dance you press it once as 2nd builder at 7+ targets

and coup whenever its up

as long as the target you firing it into has Fazed up

[honest grail]

Isn't Fazed always up? Should I get a tracker?

[tepid trellis]

its up alot

but not permanent

[grave delta]

can't escape the minigame..

[round latch]

(dps m+ logs this far)

hail to the new king

[sly shore]

m+ logs are a meme

[round latch]

yup

(im baiting the raccoon)

[tepid trellis]

do i look like a fish?

[round latch]

😂

cmon man

[hollow spear]

What track is your transmitter? My PvP trinket sims even worse 😮

[jagged hamlet]

Yo guys what are your thoughts on the motherlode trinket or the energy drink one vs say something like pacemaker or a damage proc one? Sim bait or just all in on gamba this season? Like obvious the proc during cds is gonna do a lot but if it procs right after its not really doing all that much for us.

[cloud rover]

I dragged my healer on 3rs Boss floodgate because i needed the orb

I See orb

I take orb

Not matter what

[hollow spear]

Dev Evoker absolutely pumping

Whenever I tune into Kush's stream, I see Maydatory topping

[grave delta]

639

but i think crit has high value for me

[young trench]

fury also super stronk they better get nerfed soon

[hazy breach]

Theyre good

[round latch]

sim urself fam

[grave delta]

no

I will feelycraft

u cannot stop me

[round latch]

i feel for u fam

[cloud rover]

Whats Kind of annoying

Getting the jump puzzle

On Gorilla side in cauldron

It Stacks the movement Bar

[keen dome]

oh god, lmao that sucks

I hadn't even considered it

[cloud rover]

I played fire mage yesterday

Cant play it

When you cant jump!?

[keen dome]

cursed

[young trench]

"just" use stopcasting macro kekw

[cloud rover]

I mean you can blink the stun

[round latch]

do u like the spec?

fire looks alot better now

it also does a f@kton of dmg

[oblique delta]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[shell delta]

so there is no better neck than the one from DFC?

[young trench]

crafting sometime in the future

[shell delta]

Hmm okeey. Thanks for the info

[oblique delta]

What do i do when sec tech comes up without dance or without sod?

[tribal blade]

i got very lucky today

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, big avoidance

[cloud rover]

Ye i play it now the third season i think

Its fun but im Bad at it

[shell delta]

btw one more thing. Do we always backstab firstly in Dance? Using the macro everytime? ooor...?

[slate lantern]

Personally the QoL is >>>>>> 1% dps

[blazing brook]

one question sub brothers, aoe opener, do you spread ruptures before or after flag, also how many ruptures is optimal

[young trench]

while tank gathers or to get some cdr back from previous pull

[blazing brook]

yea but if flag is ready

do i use flag first and then spread them

[young trench]

nah

you press flag when you are rdy for your burst

[blazing brook]

thought so, thanks

[honest grail]

Ngl

I don't use rupture

[native zodiac]

You should be using it then

It does a lot of dmg

[dreamy badger]

You rupture outside of cds or when tank is gathering

Sitting on cds and spreading rupture is omega int

Especially if you have shitter mobs in the pull

[native zodiac]

Im personally presssing flag when im spreading rup to stack it and it still lasts for the whole cds usually

[honest grail]

You're probably right but if the pull is ongoing I just do ST opener

And send cds asap

[proven plover]

ruptures get amped by cds aswell

which is nice being passive

while cd run

but ye, you have to decide yourself when it becomes overdoing

I usually rupture while gathering, or the prio targets atleast before sending cds

depends on hp pools of mobs

[dreamy badger]

^

[honest grail]

This is why outlaw is the best

[smoky vault]

Man those windwalkers monk with 4p on WFR ...

[honest grail]

None of that dot bs

You just blast

[smoky vault]

Sub rogue barely reach the top for 20 sec when re-bursting then fall back quick but WW is on steroid. Nerf inc

[terse dirge]

Is sending cold blood with the second sec tec on opener and every 2nd one during cds still a dps increase if I don’t have 4 set?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[terse dirge]

I was looking at our mugzee pulls and our other rogue is getting sometimes like an extra 2 cold bloods at the end of the fight cause he’s just sending that shit on cooldown.

[hollow spear]

well, quantity does not mean quality

[sly shore]

and that is literally dps neutral

if not slightly worse

[hollow spear]

just sending CB on cooldown could mean that you don't even get it during flag if you're not dancing perfectly in time

[terse dirge]

Okay cool I just wanted to make sure there wasant any small optimizations I could make.

[novel lichen]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hollow spear]

Well, you can try to align your dance between flags with CB and hit it right when it comes back up

[smoky vault]

You can but for him 😄

[hollow spear]

But risk/reward is not it for me

You gain maybe 0.2% or so and risk pushing your flag by a couple of seconds

[void hound]

even dancing in time, its kinda annoying trying to get every CB down

youd have to delay your burst by 1 second to compensate for imperfections or risk not having cb in your second dance

[cloud rover]

Just press Buttons

No thinking

[void hound]

🧠

[cloud rover]

Where is the meme

There it is

[void hound]

real

[round latch]

fire is kinda punishing if u grief ur busts

something like sub

im still playing frost but tried 2 fire keys

its rly fun

btw that double shredder pack in floodgate

like fr

needs a nerf

[young trench]

that pack can suck a fat one ye

[tepid trellis]

just dont stand in the frontal

and its fine

[round latch]

its the shreddation yo

who cares about flames

[tepid trellis]

fckign move out of it?

[cobalt vector]

U can premove it like bramble burst in mists.

[tepid trellis]

you have a grace period to move

[round latch]

its a clusterf@ck coz no space

[tepid trellis]

they absolutely fuck up the tank tho

rest of their shit is a joke

[round latch]

everyone,not only the tank

the mob needs a nerf

[tepid trellis]

no lol

[young trench]

if all melees move smart its fine if they all clown around its borderline unplayable

[cobalt vector]

u have plenty of space if ur grp isnt mega spread

[oblique delta]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[round latch]

as a range its so much easier,u just sidestep before the cast ends

u continue pump

as a melee its cringe

[cobalt vector]

ye same with melee tho

[tepid trellis]

i do the same as melee

only their frontal flame can be an issue cuz its not always they wanna show the turning animation

and you just suddenly get barbequed behind the mob

[native zodiac]

They are fine until you pull them into the boss

[round latch]

cant imagine with my current gear

[fathom gazelle]

is it normal that assa is simming higher than sub in dslice?

[round latch]

although 639 the groups still need a lust

[native zodiac]

We pulled them into boss on a 10

With like 650 gear at the time, was spicy

[round latch]

big banana pulls

yup,can imagine,those two mobs need nerf

idc what ppl say

[tepid trellis]

only thing that needs a nerf in there is third boss

[round latch]

swampface?

[native zodiac]

Isnt he fine now after the nerf no?

[round latch]

i think its fun,sludgefist mechanic

some ppl think its like council mechanic and get dragged into the frontal thingy

so fun to watch

[native zodiac]

You just always go left

And the boss is a joke besides the aoe dmg in the "intermission"

[tepid trellis]

some healers cant really do it

[round latch]

i just follow the nerd im chained to,its ''passive mode'' driving type of thing

[native zodiac]

Hm i guess, i only played with a mw so far

[tepid trellis]

that boss absolutely fucks up Disc priests

with how its tuned

[round latch]

it does look intense

healing wise

[native zodiac]

My m+ group was prot war, enh shaman, boomi, mw

Giga group

[round latch]

i like a mage in my group,idk

just by existing everything is just better

mfkin' gods of this sht game

[native zodiac]

Ye but 80% of them are terrorists

Never trust a mage

[round latch]

yup,its DH lvl distrust

sussy most of them

[keen marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/buNhK8c8VAoWWT7rmwqHGS

Okay with swapping gems around I can get HC HoC to be about even with Transmitter 🫡

[upper narwhal]

Wait I never considered gem terrorism for upping my prio on HoC

Genius

My raid council don’t stand a chance

[native zodiac]

Borking sims to get prio on items is giga cringe

[grave delta]

we will all get hoc anyways once they nerf transmitter next week

[hazy breach]

Not sure what you mean its a great way to make enemies within the guild for no apparent reason

[lilac stag]

Push the APL that doesn’t have transmitter getting every perfect alignment.

[hazy breach]

It doesnt

The sim has a built in +-3 seconds rng

Thats not posible to remove iirc

[lilac stag]

Odd always seems to pickup right with Sectech.

but I genuinely stopped caring about it.

[slender abyss]

Yo quick question i crafted 475
Dagger first day and 30 gilded left right do i upgrade anything with that or save it ?

[hollow spear]

I agree. TC, please makes us feel good about using PvP trinket instead of transmitter 😄

[lilac stag]

don’t need a TC to make the glad trinket feel good. It does that all on its own

[hollow spear]

The amount of times I've completely inted my transmitter in M+

is staggering

[native zodiac]

So easy to check other ppls sims aswell

[inner pollen]

Any wa people recommend using?

[autumn flame]

Transmitter disappearing in top stairs

[native zodiac]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[native zodiac]

@inner pollen

[inner pollen]

Ty 🫡

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

it's best to only use gilded crests on myth track items

if you use em on hero track items you end up needing more gilded to completely upgrade all your gear

[twilit phoenix]

Who is ready to pull house of cards in vault today

[native zodiac]

Sending gilded on hc trinkets is alright aswell

As you wont replace them for a long time

[hazy breach]

Its still wasting crests, but yes its less bad

Since youre unlikely to get 2 myth trinkets soon

[native zodiac]

Yeah technically you still waste but i doubt you get 2 mythic trinkets to slot upgrade anytime soon

I sent wep and 30 on eye of kezan, leaving 1 slot not upgraded incase i get an mythic trinket

[hazy breach]

Tbf you can also just not take a mythic trinket

[tepid trellis]

im getting hc HoC tmrw

and im taking it

[hazy breach]

[tepid trellis]

who needs mythic tierset pieces

[native zodiac]

Real

The day i delete my transmitter wa is gonna be a good day

[slender abyss]

I still use transmitter

Mythic

Is it still simming hihger than hoc ?

[native zodiac]

Its equal to heroic, depends a bit on your gear aswell though

[proven plover]

Im getting hc HoC TODAY

Shoutouts to my lootcouncil

(Pretyped)

[slim gale]

Looking for HoC or Eye today, will get bracers in all slots

[slender abyss]

Azerok trinket is very low uptike but when it procs with transmitter …. https://youtube.com/shorts/kfXZvx1m5Wg?si=evcacRd19YfK67mc

[twilit phoenix]

Lashga

Didn’t bro crash out a few weeks ago

[dim trail]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[vestal escarp]

We dont talk about the lashga incident

[tepid trellis]

he is bursting on a dmg amp boss

the same as i bursted on a normal boss xD

[twilit phoenix]

He bought boosts and malded when he got called out iirc

[tepid trellis]

i reached 5.2m

on last boss ToP

on pull

[barren wolf]

when i heard about it and checked it was so obvious LOL

[dim trail]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

this macro cant prevent me for double using symbols?

[native zodiac]

Motherload first boss

[dim trail]

i use this macros to do dmg

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

and

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

tahts ok?

[slate lantern]

Oh shit lashga back, someone warn zac to stay out of #subtlety

[void ocean]

is it possible to get hc House of Cards in the vault if 1AB is not killed on heroic? I know the rule is to kill the boss for the last 1-2 bosses?

[tribal blade]

no don't use them

[hazy breach]

If you havent killed the boss nor any of the bosses after it cannot drop no

[void ocean]

dang

[young trench]

sounds like an emergancy boost run to me

[tribal blade]

who tf is lashga

someone spill the tea

[tepid trellis]

high key pusher from bfa

[tribal blade]

ahh cool

[spark plover]

kek

[tribal blade]

i erased bfa from my memory after what they did to sub

[tepid trellis]

yeah no need for that

[slate lantern]

thats literally lashga haha he still has his stream linked

he just insulted himself

[twilit phoenix]

[tepid trellis]

indeed it was

[spark plover]

hey i have similar question.. if i have kill first boss on mythic but not gally hc. can i get his loot on vault ?

[twilit phoenix]

Respect ngl

[hazy breach]

No

[tribal blade]

dw we're all garbage rogues in here 😉

[twilit phoenix]

I’m a poopoo stinky diaper splatter rogue

[slate lantern]

im only stinker cause of transmitter i swear give me hoc i swear bro just give me a chance RL pls bro

[tribal blade]

i was actually in a discord pushing with some people the other day, and the next day they told me some rogue in their server was like "PROPHET IS IN HERE???"

[dim trail]

did i have to erase symbols from the shadow blades macro?

[tribal blade]

i think i yap too much in here haha

[dim trail]

it is good to cast shadow dance with symbols?

[tribal blade]

you don't really want to press any of those button at the same time

[haughty mural]

Prophet in my discord??????

[tribal blade]

you press blades around the time you press 1st sectec in cds

and you don't want to macro dance+symbols together because your 2nd dance in cds will get borked then

because you want to send both dances back to back

[lilac stag]

I got found chasing rares around in Siren Isle.

[haughty mural]

When will this macro addiction end ?

[tribal blade]

niiiiice 😉

[tribal blade]

exactly haha

[late quiver]

On 2nd dance we shouldn’t use symbols?

[young trench]

when rogues gets dumbed down like other classes

[tribal blade]

we do, but you want to supercharge sectec, BUT sectec will still be on cd when you send your 2nd dance

[lilac stag]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[tribal blade]

so during your 2nd dance you can press symbols when sectec has 10 secs or less remaining on cd

since supercharger has 2 charges, you'll guaranteed supercharge sectec that way

[haughty mural]

Think it’s the other way around

[late quiver]

Ah I know what you mean, I was just waiting for sectec to be <10s

To send 2nd Dance

[haughty mural]

No you send 2nd right when the first one ends

[tribal blade]

the big problem is if you don't send both dances in cds back to back it's harder to fit both in blades

[late quiver]

And another question for m+, I should send shadowblades only when I can guarantee 2 dances during sb?

[tribal blade]

and also you risk dropping your tier set stacks between dances if you delay the 2nd dance

[haughty mural]

That’s why you don’t macro symbols to dance - you press symbols a tad later in the second dance

[late quiver]

Yes I had that issue that you’re describing

It makes more sense now

[tribal blade]

awesome!

[tribal blade]

yes precisely

[haughty mural]

Blades duration is 16sec, Dance is 8sec

[late quiver]

This is what happens when outlaw onetrick tries to touch something else

[haughty mural]

Keep that in mind

[tribal blade]

you want your 2nd dance charge to have 40 secs or less remaining on cd

[late quiver]

Okay I’ll try to fix this, thanks

[spark plover]

im on that text and I dont like it

got no problem to play retpala ok ?

[haughty mural]

When it clicks, it clicks

[vestal escarp]

Hopefully soon brother, cause 2 offglobals power up abilties that need to be casted 2 to 1s apart dont belong in this game

[lilac stag]

It’s called Assa

[fathom gazelle]

fk it i need a sub course , my transmitter buff doesnt allign with sec , my 2nd sd doesnt align inside flag window its a CHAOS

[steel zinc]

I can confirm

[shadow lance]

Use transmitter with flag so it will align with Sb and tech

[fathom gazelle]

i do , i get the buff and in my 2nd flag window i find my 2nd sec doesnt have the trinket buff

[lilac stag]

Get 658 glad trinket

[fathom gazelle]

it sims waaay lower than transmitter , and in first boss mythic my transmitter is all over the fking oil and im drifting to get it

[haughty mural]

Just loot hoc

[dim trail]

i rlly need a trinket quickly to swap transmitter

i hate it so much

[swift tinsel]

if you aren't consistently using transmitter correctly does its sim dps matter

[lilac stag]

Not simming higher if it’s not getting picked up correctly.

[dim trail]

i use it with flag

[vale pine]

thats fine

just make sure to activate it around dance use

[tribal blade]

i wonder how badly you have to bork transmitter for it to be a bad trinket

iirc it was good even if you didn't pick up 1/3rd of the buff

[fathom gazelle]

also how much time left on flag so u dont send any more sd's? 30s?

[tribal blade]

so if you missed 1 out of 3 transmitter casts it was still very good

[dim trail]

i normally shadowstrike, rupture, flag with transmitter, then pop blades, dance symbols, prepot, and start strike,evis,techniq

[fathom gazelle]

yeh idk thats apl sim experts

[vale pine]

i did a quick sim apl test with stealthi, and apparently using it a bit earlier is already a ~1% loss

[tribal blade]

ahhh i see

how early is early?

[haughty mural]

I think you might want to read the opener again

[fathom gazelle]

true but also the 1min cd means i send with what every sd? every flag?

[tribal blade]

pop blades around the time you press sectec

so at the end of that sequence

not the middle

[lilac stag]

Re-ran quick sim for giggles. The on use timing is varied. The activate is with Sectech every time.

[steel zinc]

What was the scenario?

[hazy breach]

Maybe thats the part that got changed to be random then, it was changed like 5 times during nerubar

And i had to adjust the apl everytime

Mb

[oblique delta]

what's that site named where you can look at which cd's are used where on a timeline of top logs?

[swift tinsel]

lorrgs.io

[young trench]

lorgs

[lilac stag]

no worries. I just thought I was going insane with the number of times I saw it hit Sectech perfectly.

and fuck if I’m that close to perfect with it

lol

[tribal blade]

i have a lorrgs in a my pants

[keen dome]

👀

[lilac stag]

bricked lorrgs

[fathom gazelle]

i got 2 questions , if any1 can answer me would be great , 1- when do u stop sending sd's? when flag has 30s? 20s? // 2nd when ur inside flag window do u ever delay 2nd sd if sec isnt rdy yet?

[swift tinsel]

Dayuuuuum

[mystic ether]

If I'm playing sub for both m+ & raid, what embellishment should I get on dagger?

[lilac stag]

I’ve got an iron thumb up…

[tribal blade]

ascendance is all purpose best for multispeccing and all content

[tribal blade]

did you see how tiny the tiny pal gun from mugzee is

[remote shuttle]

Guys is our set fixed? Or stll drops ws randomly on coup/st

[plush roost]

Ik its weak 1 but these allstar points cant be right with these parses

[lilac stag]

Who is actually respeccing. Stop giving bad advice.

[plush roost]

Sub is not that low player base xd

[tribal blade]

lol true

[barren wren]

Isn’t it’s lowest in game ?

[keen dome]

I should probably swap off ascendance but

also I cba

[remote shuttle]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lilac stag]

the outlaw one tricks merged over for a few weeks. Assa arc soon TM

[slate lantern]

you always send 2nd right after, your sectec should always be back up during the duration of it and its important for dmg/building properly

[plush roost]

I had my assa arc last season get me outta there

[tribal blade]

is it possibly because so few people have killed heroic gallywix

[slate lantern]

[plush roost]

Ya maybe

[tribal blade]

my guild didn't kill it this week, we just got to mugzee

[plush roost]

Thats probably the case

[summer peak]

@hazy breach hey mate, is there any indept guide on mini bursts ? Trying to fully understand when and when not to send SD/SoD and coup

[tribal blade]

just getting past mugzee felt like a big feat this week

[plush roost]

Holy that boss trucks healers

[lilac stag]

Brands are permanent.

[keen dome]

Yeah, he seems fucking freightening in pugs

Getting past Stix in pugs was an ordeal so I cannot imagine mug'zee being fun

[tribal blade]

there's 0 shot pugs are killing it this week haha

[plush roost]

I dont think its a puggable boss this week ngl

[keen dome]

There's been a few

[plush roost]

Maybe hof players on alts

[keen dome]

There's 3 - 4 groups on Gally heroic

[tribal blade]

requires way too much coordination and has a dps check

[keen dome]

6 - 8 on Mug'zee

10ish on bandit

and that's about it

[tribal blade]

but yeah very good players could likely pug it

[keen dome]

I did some Bandit pulls and the DPS check isj ust too tight for most pug groups, and the healing seems astronomical

[plush roost]

Gally is a great sub fight btw

[tribal blade]

but you'd be doing a lot of pulls to get it down

[keen dome]

Yeah

[plush roost]

Pop flag 8 seconds before first add phase, have cb sec tec with stacks slammed into the adds

[keen dome]

I think if I sat down and spent the rest of today pugging it, I could kill bandit but I legit don't want too as I think it's gonna be cake tomorrow with gear increases

[plush roost]

Then have it back for second add phase

[haughty mural]

@keen dome how far did your group go?

[plush roost]

Brrrrr blender time

[keen dome]

60%~ at best

Most of the wipes weren't killing the adds fast enough

[haughty mural]

To hard to put right now ?

[keen dome]

Def doable but frustrating

Not worth the effort imho

[haughty mural]

I see

[keen dome]

Stix is a huge pug wall

so is Lockensprocket

[haughty mural]

The most important boss

[plush roost]

Just a bad pug tier tbh

[keen dome]

I think it's gonna be cake in a week

as people get gear

[plush roost]

I mean mugzee and gally took my guild some tries even with splits and 550-555 ilvl

They aint no joke

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tidal marsh]

Bros are in Dragonflight gear

[tranquil garden]

maybe a dumb question, we backstab after cast of shadow dance for the 1st stack, backstab kinda sucks and it kinda sucks that it consumes rotten, any reason not to move the symbols cast after backstab instead so the rotten goes to 2x shadowstrike instead?

[plush roost]

You know what i mean hehe

[grim anchor]

Anyone know how to macro symbols so it isnt spammable

[patent lichen]

May you all get house of cards and never need to deal with transmitter hell again

[tranquil garden]

!symbols

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[grim anchor]

Ty

[swift tinsel]

not really

[plush roost]

Not a tc, but I imagine the extra uptime on symbols matters more than the rotten proc

[swift tinsel]

iirc fuu simmed it and changing sod timing was a 0.1% loss

[tranquil garden]

a loss? wow. guess Charrend has the right of it.

thanks

[plush roost]

You're losing shadow tech procs

[swift tinsel]

its almost neutral to a marginal loss/within error range so its kinda whatever

[plush roost]

Ye, muscle memory saved

[haughty mural]

Trying to convince m+ buddies to reroll shaman

[plush roost]

M+ without shaman is so awful

Feels like I'm playing on 0.5 speed

[haughty mural]

Can still pump, but skyfury is smth else yes

[swift tinsel]

give scrolllllllls

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

OR

give us skyfury buff

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

I need to stop doing M+ today. it is cursed and scary

[twilit phoenix]

damn you guys were in questing blues?

[swift tinsel]

Thrash blade raidbuff

[twilit phoenix]

that's kinda fucking based actually

[mystic cloak]

Question: When in flag + shadowblades and you get a shadowcraft proc at the end of the first SD, do you:
A) Eviscerate outside of dance before second SD
B) Eviscerate first global in second SD
C) Ignore combo points overcap and backstab first global in second SD

[void hound]

B

[random hare]

dude

the ptr sub tier nerfs are so cringe

[slate lantern]

no spender should be sent not in SD when in cd window

[random hare]

tier set feels wack on live

[twilit phoenix]

wdym habibi

[random hare]

it felt rly nice to play around with

it's impact felt good

[twilit phoenix]

i thought we don't even play around it

[void hound]

yeah thats his point

[twilit phoenix]

ah I see, well that makes sense

[random hare]

@molten citrus where pvp talents i lost them

[ashen agate]

Can someone explain how and when the timer starts? New to sub and trying to figure it out.

[keen dome]

Catalyst keeps tetiary stats still, right?

[patent lichen]

Yes

[keen dome]

Rad

[swift tinsel]

0 seconds is the opener/pull

[acoustic lodge]

for some reason the shadow dance, backstab macro is not working

[lavish nebula]

It shows you which spells you can use between cds basically. You start on pull with full cds 2x dance until next cds and 1x dance only after next cds

[stoic lark]

Does it Change anything If i use Backstab as second builder in dance instead of First? Outcome should be the Same right?

[lucid jackal]

It does because the you don't have premeditation

[swift tinsel]

and backstabbing first makes your first Strike with rotten stronger

[restive briar]

Is it a weird cook to macro Shadow Blades into SecTec

[twilit phoenix]

yeah it is

[turbid depot]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

If you do it the other way around, its not the worst thing but macros aren't all that helpful

[narrow night]

i think its fine when you have a second sectec bound somewhere if you dont wanna pop cds

or to click idc

[restive briar]

I have one of those already for Cold Blood

Cuz im lazy

[stoic lark]

Oh yeah i didnt think about rotten thx!

[lavish nebula]

thats what i do actually, i have a bind for sec tech blades and cold blood and one for only sec tech

[twilit phoenix]

people try to do these macro shortcuts

but end up just having more binds

[swift tinsel]

wouldn't recommend all three together

[twilit phoenix]

?????

[digital frigate]

how bad is macroing both SD + SS then SS + BS into a single macro , from what I have read its ok if you do both you just miss out on the single stack of backstab during sd for stacking dmg

[ashen agate]

So it would be the very moment I shadow strike in yes?

[lavish nebula]

its more binds but its less buttons to press in opener that good for my slow fingers 😄

[narrow night]

im just bad at pressing buttons in sequence so i just have 3 variations of sectec

[swift tinsel]

its not like a super tight second-by-second thing

its just your first burst window which is the opener

use the timings as a general idea

and get more used to how many dances you're sending between each cooldown window

[ashen agate]

Gotcha, after the 180 mark does it repeat like the start again?

[swift tinsel]

Yep

[young mural]

"Multispec freakazoid Rogue" has to be the best description i've ever read around here

[ashen agate]

Thanks

[swift tinsel]

basically alternates, 2 between 1st and 2nd flag, 1 between 2nd and 3rd, repeat

[tranquil garden]

same here. I've got the keys, and it means less pianoing, so might as well use them

different set of binds for the big boi burst, and the minibursts between them

[restive briar]

Yeah that was my reason for my cook as well. I find myself pianoing trying to get used to not having symbols macro'd to Dance, so I end up fumbling

[tranquil garden]

if you've got the keys available there's no particular reason not to macro to your heart's content, so long as things are happening in the correct order

[restive briar]

I've got plenty to spare

[inner grail]

who's got the 1 button macro

[swift tinsel]

you mean the full opener cast sequence one that someone was floating around

[inner grail]

lol

[swift tinsel]

bc that absolutely exists

they've linked it here a few times

[restive briar]

Should've pinned it

[swift tinsel]

ew lol

[inner grail]

I'm kidding, I don't want it, but I know ppl play that way, and they said macro to hearts content

[restive briar]

Issa joke

[swift tinsel]

hence the lol

[inner grail]

[tranquil garden]

it's this

[slate beacon]

today has the potential to be the biggest vault in our entire lives

[tranquil garden]

#subtlety message

[slate beacon]

[inner grail]

Yup, the biggest rush of dopamine you will have all season

[restive briar]

[tranquil garden]

looking forward to being disappointed by today's vault

[inner grail]

followed by weeks of disappointment

[restive briar]

Samesies, one more tier piece for 4 set

[inner grail]

and months

[restive briar]

[slate beacon]

u know what's crazy i already know im gonna get a myth track house of cards. i just know it

[inner grail]

that juicy 3.4% upgrade is for me only ty

[hazy breach]

That would indeed be impressive

[slate beacon]

"but carlo you need to have killed - "

i know what i need and that's the beauty of me getting a myth track house of cards week 1

i dont need none of that stuff, step 1 - get the item

[carmine rune]

Is the trinket from cinderbrew any good ?

[inner grail]

we aren't here to judge you

[restive briar]

step 2: Just git gud

[slate beacon]

what is the trinket from cinderbrew called like honeysuckle beer jugs or something

[inner grail]

honeybuzzer

[young mural]

IM GETTING HERO HOUSE OF CARDS IN VAULT TODAY 100%

[restive briar]

The bee thing

[carmine rune]

You get on a bee and zoom zoom

[narrow night]

it sims worse then 626 skard grace for me

[slate beacon]

same here but myth track. DONT ASK ME HOW. i got connections

[inner grail]

it sims like shit

[slate beacon]

w/ leech

and a socket

[tranquil garden]

I'll be happy if I just get heroic shadow-binding ritual knife. they added way too many delve trinkets this season though so it seems unlikely

[twilit phoenix]

i'd give a rogue dev the sloppiest top for a myth track HOC

[young mural]

AVOIDANCE > LEECH

I SAID IT

[twilit phoenix]

bro's legs would be shaking

[tranquil garden]

speed > avoidance

don't ever wanna give up my gear that rolled speed

[slate beacon]

imagine simping for healers

[young mural]

WHY is your profile picture the AI bear dude

[swift tinsel]

we're already immortal, who needs avoidance or leech

[slate beacon]

who subscribes to something just so they can watch other guys do all the fun stuff. that's healers

they should just make crimson vial a 30minute buff

[young mural]

hey @swift tinsel you know alot

sub tier getting nerfed again?

[inner grail]

what ever happened to them taking feint off of GCD?

wasnt that supposed to be a thing like 3 patches ago?

[rocky ocean]

Buff shuriken toss

[slate beacon]

feint having an energy cost and being on the GCD is THE WORST THING in the HISTORY OF HUMANITY

[inner grail]

i swear i read it on patch notes

[swift tinsel]

why would it get nerfed

[slate beacon]

imagine pressing ur defensive it doesnt go off b/c ur energy starved or gcd locked or both and u die. but u pressed the button

[hazy breach]

What

It is of the gcd

[lethal yew]

Feint is off gcd

[young mural]

not happening chief

[twilit phoenix]

feint off gcd king

[wet plank]

Yea it is sometime last season it was removed

[slate beacon]

ok well why does it have an energy cost

[swift tinsel]

already happened chief

[slate beacon]

feint should be a 30 minute buff

[solemn lance]

nothings free

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-3d-world-moving-goalpost-moving-the-goalpost-mario-moving-goalpost-gif-16038453592271850473

[wet plank]

Energy is a rip but has to have some cost for such low cd

[slate beacon]

💯

[rocky ocean]

Cloak of shadows should be a 30 min buff

[slate beacon]

true

[slate beacon]

mod him

[inner grail]

Trolling other rogues is fun, everyone is so serious

[pastel rampart]

idk imagine u have 0 energy cost 0 gcd feint but then u die because u have to press an extra button to activate it lmao

awful game

[twilit phoenix]

cloak shouldn't have a cd tbh

[slate beacon]

do u know what warriors get

[swift tinsel]

bad planning imo

[slate beacon]

they get spell reflect

it goes back on their enemy and does damage

25sec cd

[inner grail]

why can't we be tankier than warlocks and get to stand in every mechanic like them so we can do all the dpseses

[slate beacon]

0 COST

warriors can just press spell reflect

btw

[pastel rampart]

cloak of shadows should be perma active but u cant equip anything in ur back slot (it is shadows)

[inner grail]

also give me PI

[hazy breach]

Ok lads time to stop ragebaiting

[slate beacon]

who is ragebaiting?

[pastel rampart]

ok well i hope u win lottery irl and also have a very good next meal

[tranquil garden]

feint energy cost is pretty fair though, 40% aoe, 20% everything else, 15 second cooldown, that's absurdly good even with the energy cost

[slate beacon]

20% everything else if u lose cheat death

[pastel rampart]

why are u making sense!!11!!1 pls stop it

[slate beacon]

sry im not speccing out of cheat death, i will int 1 mechanic per pull on purpose - for damage

[inner grail]

I'll take the DR over cheat any day.

you aren't supposed to die, that's the whole game

[slate beacon]

how do we get blizz to make specced feint a 30 minute buff

like u apply ur ironclaw whetstones, ur poisons and ur feint and then ur ready

make it interactive bb

[hexed bluff]

I support this

[inner grail]

My question is how are ppl doing 2 million dmg on one arm bandit at 250ilv

[slate beacon]

assassination already gets every single poison in the game including NPC poisons, why not give sub specced feint baseline

[inner grail]

tank diff ig

[lilac stag]

Normal outlaw channel type conversation

[wet plank]

Any advice on using the magnet trinket just rip it with blades and forget or should I be gaming it when it’s high stacks since it’s 20 second cd if it stack up faster than a minute 30 that is idk

[hazy breach]

use it whenever you want. Nothing we do buffs it

[wet plank]

Cool, coulda been a goated melee spymaster but they gave it damage proc instead smh my head

[swift tinsel]

its like they didn't want to design good trinkets this tier

[wet plank]

They wanted everyone in the game to fight over 2 instead

[swift tinsel]

must be saving some absolute bangers for next expansion

[paper iron]

We got house im happy

[inner grail]

just be glad you aren't fighting over 2 rings and 2 trinkets

now it's only 1 ring and 2 trinkets

[paper iron]

Finally à trinket u press and u dont care about

[wet plank]

lol

[paper iron]

Not à boon, not à grieftorch, not à transmitter

Not an anvil

U just press it and u vibe

[hazy breach]

Most of the people that want house can also just use priory trinket at a very small cost

Since a lot of them are 2 min users

[twilit phoenix]

next banger sub trinket is gonna be MFA

you're gonna get a text with a code

[dusk magnet]

Hello, can someone explain to me why should we use Eviscerate instead of BlackPowder if we dont have Coup de grace on 7+ targets ?

[wet plank]

They bringing back branch next season don’t worry

[twilit phoenix]

solving captchas mid key

[dusk magnet]

im talking about that

[paper iron]

You ll get à safecode in your mailbox to enter ingale

Ingame

Frfr

[hazy breach]

Idk you shouldnt

use BP at 7 or more

[slate beacon]

what spec in wow has the playerbase with the DEEPEST average belly button depth.

i'm gonna guess devastation evokers

[swift crest]

When evaluating rotational dynamics at 7+ target thresholds, empirical data indicates that the presence of Coup de Grace significantly amplifies the multi-target kinetic energy delivered by Black Powder. Conversely, in the absence of this critical modifier, Eviscerate maintains superior energy-to-damage efficiency due to its higher intrinsic quantum coefficient per combo point, thus optimizing the cumulative damage output within the Shadow Dance temporal interval.

[wet plank]

No way ret paladin dude

[slate beacon]

u think ret pala? there's too many of them tho, some of them are bound to lower the average depth

[wet plank]

Damn true

[slate beacon]

i think dev evokers are enough of a niche to condense their average down into the abyss

[inner grail]

It's def mage

[slate beacon]

what spec of mage

[inner grail]

Arcane, easily

[slate beacon]

🤔

[inner grail]

just think about the voice comms you get from every mage

[slate beacon]

our mage eats hot cheetos w/ chopsticks during raid nights

peak deep belly button behavior

[inner grail]

and correlate that to belly button depth

[full wyvern]

BM hunters. Their spec allows them to actively explore the depths of their navel during their gameplay loop

[wispy nebula]

There is a rogue spreadsheet somewhere with a bunch of info isn’t there?

[slate beacon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wispy nebula]

Thank you

[slate beacon]

no.

thank YOU

[inner grail]

BM hunter and Holy priest are Gril specs

[slate beacon]

grill specs?

[dusk magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-monkey-gif-18148847

[twilit phoenix]

saying thank you to the bot is based

[dusk magnet]

ty dude ill try to understand that

[inner grail]

The only difference is that every holy priest is a goth chick

[slate beacon]

our holy priest is def not that

[ornate lake]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[full wyvern]

Yeah our holy priest is probably the most toxic person in the raid

[slate beacon]

dude i bet im gonna open my vault today and it's gonna be like, "you know what, go ahead, take 2 items, just this once"

i WISH my guild had tocix ppl in it

friggin sucks

[twilit phoenix]

nah you're cool, you can take one from each row

don't tell anyone

😉

[slate beacon]

awwwwww ty

[hazy breach]

Dont try to evade the filter

[slate beacon]

where is the filter list so we know what we cant say

i like to follow the rules

[hazy breach]

Just talk like a human being

And its fine

[slate beacon]

i am

have i not been?

[twilit phoenix]

eleem type out a word you don't want us to say

i learn best from examples

[pastel rampart]

im really scared of filter words but im trying to overcome it. im really interested in exposure therapy

O_O

[lucid jackal]

I am one of the best to ever do it so it makes sense

[hazy breach]

Arguably the most humble too

[smoky goblet]

Is there a rough time where it'd be better to hold SD/ST if Flag is coming up so you ahve charges for double ST during Flag? (like if Flag is coming up in ~10 secs, you want to hold SD/ST?)

[hazy breach]

More like 20-25

[smoky goblet]

shanks

[inner grail]

humans speak this way

[hollow spear]

did someone turn the ADHD levels to 11 the last couple of hours?

rarely have to scroll this much

[inner grail]

Everyone waiting on vault

[hollow spear]

lay off the energy drinks

[inner grail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shining-jack-nicholson-heres-johnny-knock-door-gif-15273086

[silk flower]

is it fine to just macro dance+symbols together if they're going to be paired like this?

[keen dome]

It is not recommended to do that, no. They won't always be used together, and you will often need to stagger the Symbols / Dance in the second dance of burst to properly anime-charge SecTec

[paper iron]

it s definitly not a thing to do, u ll find you often delaying sod on your second dance to get some juice on your second sectech

also if u wanna press backstab first in dance u dont wanna give it sod, so then it s always delayed

[swift crest]

[silk flower]

lol ill be honest i have no idea what this means

[hollow spear]

it means no

[silk flower]

ah okay cool, thanks

[keen marten]

Is there anything else besides higher flag stacks and higher set stacks to delay CB for the second SecTec?

[hazy breach]

Flawless form

[keen marten]

Ah right

Thx

[frail swift]

how is sub performing in single target?

[hazy breach]

Alright

Or well, its probably good

But its not the best

[silk flower]

its backstab on 6 or less targets and shadowstrike on 7+? or if you're going to skip the backstab do you just skip the shadowstrike as well on 7+

[silent umbra]

wdym skip the shadowstrike

[paper iron]

^

Fuu guides are so on point

[hollow spear]

apparently people still have problems understanding tho

[silk flower]

ive just never played sub before all g

[hollow spear]

if you dont backstab, you shadowstrike

[keen marten]

Does flawless form have a maximum stack count?

[hollow spear]

the optimization is: backstab once for danse macabre

if you don't optimize, you don't backstab

that's it

[hazy breach]

Nop

[silk flower]

okay, so shadowstrike isn't the optimization

[hollow spear]

shadowstrike is the rotation

[silk flower]

you'd still do that part

[hollow spear]

what else would you do

[silk flower]

no idea - given my questions ive asked so far its prob obvious i couldn't asnwer that

[swift crest]

its starting to get real sciency in here

[silk flower]

ig in my head you'd skip it and just go straight into cds

[keen dome]

When starting out I wouldn't worry about those minor optimisations. Get the core down, the rotation, the logic of our cooldowns, etc.

[silk flower]

sounds good

[ornate berry]

We back to Backstabbing for DM stacks? Spicy

[keen dome]

If you can do your burst window, sectecs, etc properly you'll do fine. Then you can work in the optimisations (backstab for a DM stack, etc) once you are comfy with the fundamentals

[slate beacon]

APPARENTLY there's another power outage scheduled for friday in santa monica

this is according to a youtube comment on the dratnos / tettles video

super reliable

[tacit aspen]

i know people say no but like if youre not trying to like ce prog, or youre not committed committed, its a damage loss to fuck up your opener over just macroing and losing like 3% or whatever.

if you read that statement and go 'great', then youre not optimizing enough ot care about 3% and just macro.

if you read that and go 'i want 3%' you know what you need to do

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach pvp boss in ToP

[silk flower]

so basically in aoe the idea is just to use sectec inside of your dance window and always supercharged with sod and then when you have blades up you'll wanna have blades active right before sectec

[hazy breach]

Did you get sent down

[tepid trellis]

nope

[slate beacon]

nice

[hazy breach]

Nice

[slate beacon]

i save ALL my CDs for pvp boss

the first thing i do though is make them sit a full blind

[hazy breach]

Nah just FF

[tepid trellis]

im boosting 10s atm

[twilit phoenix]

my teammate watching me collect transmitter

as I prepare to drop a nuke

[tacit aspen]

you guys dont just kidney shot => blind, while not killing your target in the pvp section? whats next, you telling me you dont health pot as well??

[vagrant sinew]

whats the cut

[honest saddle]

if your team respects you in TOP

[slate beacon]

i open w/ blind and make them sit a full blind then restealth cheap / kidney

[honest saddle]

they will /sit so you crit them

[tacit aspen]

mr lucky over here

[honest saddle]

make sure you finish, by kiting them out.

[slate beacon]

then dot load, sprint, LoS, restealth

100%

[patent lichen]

Me if I see house of cards regardless of how big anything else is to take

[slate beacon]

i was at the dog park yesterday and some woman was calling her dog and she was walking after it, and w/o realizing wtf i was saying i was like "your dog is kiting you"

[patent lichen]

Get me out of this transmitter hell

[slim gale]

Are there any WA for the OAB to track which combinations you've done, or yell at you for which combo you should put in?

[honest saddle]

I already have kidnapped the other 25 members of our raid, and their families. I have them at gun point until HOC is in my hands or my vault.

[slate beacon]

B/W has a custom modal for it

[honest saddle]

what is OAB?

[slim gale]

Is that something you need to install from Curse for it or do you just configure it in game

[slate beacon]

1 arm bandit

the slot machine boss in the new raid legacy of the underworld

[patent lichen]

Our raid lead said "it's a bigger upgrade for others" and I just took his family hostage

[honest saddle]

leverage is going to be important in the negotiation @patent lichen

if you arent willing to go all the way, how can you negotiate properly

[tacit aspen]

tell them youre playing outlaw and killing spree on cd in prog until they give you it

[patent lichen]

With my daggers.

[honest saddle]

doesn't outlaw scale with MH damage?

Isn't your family in my basement?

stop asking questions.

[tacit aspen]

it scales with how many times you dont die hitting killing spree

[patent lichen]

That's it, I'm shadow stepping on gallywix too

[honest saddle]

step into the wardrobe, and step out

INTO NARNIA

[haughty mural]

yesterday i was yelling at my warlock buddy to win it already so i can play the game on the boss as i was barely breaking his soul leech shield with backstabs

[wet plank]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[slim gale]

Where do you go to set that up?

[patent lichen]

Oh good call, doing that too

[slate beacon]

it just loaded by default for me

[honest saddle]

can we still weapon swap in combat

[patent lichen]

Nope

[slate beacon]

but bigwigs has /bw then you go to the raid and go to the boss specific settings

[honest saddle]

fun detected

[patent lichen]

Right?!

[wraith sphinx]

is there an ideal time to use the stupid (fantastic) bee trinket, or should we just send it once we're out of cd's

[twilit phoenix]

realm list up bit still offline

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-wahh-wild-go-gif-13490041

[tepid trellis]

200k

[patent lichen]

Shhhh my guild is going off old data and prioing me

[honest saddle]

they should still

fuck warriors

[patent lichen]

Agreed, I mean unless they hate their families

[jagged perch]

subs old 4pc is still out simming 639 champ gear even though my set pieces are all under 610

[sly shore]

2p2p is not good at equivalent ilvl

[patent lichen]

Try having 655 gear in your bags and not being able to use it over your 626 tier

[azure thicket]

that's normal

just hit 2k and roll natty 100s for 4set

[patent lichen]

Lol yes

[swift tinsel]

my current hell

[jagged perch]

depression

[fickle mason]

So other classes getting stronger is an indirect assassin nerf? Since there was basically no assassin changes?

[azure thicket]

playstyle changed 🙂

[tranquil garden]

Congratulations everyone on your first disappointing vault of the season! Many more disappointments to come.

[azure thicket]

getting 2 chest/timing a push key requires a lot of chainpulling

[jagged perch]

would yall say that ~7 ilvl drop is worth %1 dps?

like total ilvls

[low pagoda]

!log

[brisk raptor]

does the shadow dance backstab macro just require one press?

[pulsar hemlock]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[pulsar hemlock]

Two presses

[brisk raptor]

ty

[surreal wigeon]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[slate beacon]

i used that macro on the dummy and i spent all 3 charges

i just tap it 3 times idk what it does

[coral canyon]

Why did we drop vanish in the ST opener?

[slate basin]

Are there any good videos that go in-depth on playing Sub in 11.1 currently? New to the spec and want to perform well in raid tonight.

[hexed bluff]

Servers up

[twilit phoenix]

lets seem them HOCs

[slate lantern]

sorry that was too much

ill time myself out for 2 hours

[sly shore]

anyone who posts house of cards on NA is getting added to ignore, block and banned

[twilit phoenix]

[wicked urchin]

only did one 10 and my second m+ slot is weapon

kill me

[acoustic lodge]

Did anyone else die when they logged in?

[left ledge]

is this

the worst possible vault

[young mural]

LMAO

[left ledge]

have i achieved true garbage

[sly shore]

trinket might be good

[young mural]

ill actually suck a lil cocky for HOC now

[dim fog]

Is there a channel for log review from someone who knows how to play better than me? (Which would be 90% of you lol)

[left ledge]

which trinket

[sly shore]

ah my bad that trinket is not good

[slate beacon]

do i take myth track legs and cata?

[warm marlin]

some nice myth gloves

[young mural]

dude fuck off with vault questions

ask this guy

raidbots.com

[winged vale]

so torn on how to feel about this. h/v myth dagger and eye

[sly shore]

we didn't

[slate beacon]

my simc is being friggin ghey

[swift tinsel]

You can either vanish or skip, it doesn't affect dps

[slate beacon]

its basically myth track legs vs mister lock n stock trinket on heroic track

[wicked urchin]

welp, no mythic piece for me this week

[round drum]

myth chest, we take those

[sly shore]

fuck I forgot I get 1 mythic slot and 2 hc

sadge

[limpid forum]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left ledge]

ya its fucking joever for me

this vault actual omega ass

no tier, no wep, no trinket

or ig there's a wep but

haste heavy and offhand

AINT NO WAY

IM DONE

LMAO

[young mural]

get fucked

[pure jay]

sim says to take the gloves

[young mural]

you're going to use a whistle now

[pure jay]

lmfao

[oblique grove]

I liked to thank God

[left ledge]

socket week 1

what a banger

[pure jay]

i do NOT trust this sim saying to go with gloves: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kV28uWuhBJicYPomHQPbnB

[swift tinsel]

gloves are our off-piece slot this tier

[pure jay]

mythic track bis ring

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young mural]

"do not trust this sim"

[clever delta]

Damn flexing with vaults alteady

[swift tinsel]

idk ask the robot that ran the sim a thousand times

[clever delta]

Already

[sly shore]

what you mean already

it's reset in NA

what you expect people to not log in

and check their vaults

[clever delta]

It feel early

Since 5pm

Eu