subtlety

[vale pine]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[vale pine]

the top utility weakaura has a sound queue for the refunds

[full viper]

can someone explain trickster gameplay in aoe in simple terms for me? or tell me if this is correct:
backstab/shadowstrike until target is fazed
then use ST builder and evis as spender?
until fazed is gone, then back to ST builder and black powder as spender?

[hazy breach]

Do singletarget in dance, cast storm as builder outside dance

If theres 7 or more mobs, your dances should be backstab>sectech>storm>BP> continue with strike/BP

(always use coup if its up)

[full viper]

outside dance, i do storm+evis? why / how to i activate nimble furry?

or is nimble flurry only relevant during dance?

[leaden prairie]

this sounds like padding

nice one stealthi

[rustic mortar]

i hope there will be a rogue buff 😮

[ornate heron]

Is the new 4p bugged ?

I just swapped over to it today and it seems weaker than old 4p?

[rustic mortar]

this will change

[keen dome]

I got a new personal best in a key today. Sub needs buffs. I need to do MORE damage.

It is not enough to do 33% of the entire keys damage. I need to be doing 50% of it

More big crits.

[rustic mortar]

i mean dont get me wrong st is fine but aoe feels kinda low wihout having flag up

either im doing something wrong but i couldnt pass 15m dps atm whle our dk / wl / ele are going for 20 / 25 (in aoe ofc)

[still quartz]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[lilac stag]

Sim WM vs TFD in 2 mins and see how giga your boss dmg is. Boss fights are typically the easiest to get TFD up for.

[tribal blade]

TFD is pretty awesome in keys

[shy ermine]

Say you have 5 targets, why does backstab sectec strike evisc make more sense than strike sectec storm evisc?

[lilac stag]

We did a 10 top and it was crazy how often you could get the TFD buff up

[shy ermine]

To me the second sequence is strictly better

Am I missing something?

[tribal blade]

strike nimbling does a lot of damage

storm does very little damage

[shy ermine]

Both have 1 strike

The replacement is backstab for storm

Which applies fw on all targets and should be better in my mind

[vestal escarp]

Everybody in S

The memest of the memelist

[tribal blade]

but we on TOP of S 😉

[royal whale]

is shadowcraft refunding points on a delay with coupdegrace intended

[haughty mural]

the spell itself is delayed

[vale pine]

storm consumes both rotten stacks, backstab only one. But besides that the backstab use is to increase your single target output and just happens to be worth with more targets too

[haughty mural]

so the refund will come after the last hit

[royal whale]

sometimes its instant though

[shy ermine]

This is why I’ve used storm as 2nd builder in dance

So it doesn’t eat extra rotten stacks

[vale pine]

exactly

the reason we use storm is BP tho

but we can take a quick look, because i assume with backstab we can question again "is it worth for a DM stack?"

[shy ermine]

If we’re using either backstab or storm for 1 DM charge on 5 targets, why wouldn’t it be storm instead?

Find weakness helps nimble damage too

[hazy breach]

Because storm doesnt proc unseen blades

Also backstab does more damage than storm

And since premed gives full cp anyway

The cp generation difference is irrelevant

[shy ermine]

That makes sense and could certainly be the reason why, would still surprise me if that outweighed the value of find weakness on targets for nimble flurry

[haughty mural]

you might overvalue fw

[tepid trellis]

ofc it is

what do you take me for?

[vale pine]

and as eleem lined out, it isn't worth it.
But just to see numbers:

[tepid trellis]

a non dps goblin?

[leaden prairie]

I would never do that ngl

Actually

You know stealthi

Sometimes idk if I should be using bp or not

Like

Say I have 20 targets

But only 3 relevant target

[tepid trellis]

in high keys

[leaden prairie]

If I don't bp I risk nimble to go on the shitters

Instead of the prio

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[vestal escarp]

Put details vs ethical dps on the scale

[leaden prairie]

So would it be better to then bp so they die fast

[tepid trellis]

like BP does so close to Evis dmg

[leaden prairie]

And then I can nimble

[tepid trellis]

that i think BP is the way ngl

[leaden prairie]

Idk

I see

[wild hornet]

If i have sectec ready and flag on boss, but the boss gets moved away from freshly spawned adds, is it better to send cds for the adds or extend on boss off of flag

[tepid trellis]

only thing to note is

[leaden prairie]

But bp doesn't nimble

[tepid trellis]

BP as square root scaling

so with enough mobs

[leaden prairie]

Ye

[tepid trellis]

it doesent do alot per target

[leaden prairie]

It's 6 or 8

[tepid trellis]

where as evis does not

[leaden prairie]

8 right

[tepid trellis]

8

[leaden prairie]

Ye

Do you know how nimble works also

I assume it's the same as bf

It's around target

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[leaden prairie]

But then it's closest to the targets like bf right

The cleave part

[tepid trellis]

id think so yeh

[vestal escarp]

Around you

[leaden prairie]

It not being around you make it less reliable tho

As outlaw I can target a guy and stand on another

And I know for certain I will damage that guy

[leaden prairie]

Not nimble no?

Nimble is target

[vestal escarp]

Not sure at this point

[tepid trellis]

nimble is

like BF

its exactly like BF

[leaden prairie]

Around you?

[tepid trellis]

reskinned BF

yeh

[vestal escarp]

We've been telling eachother thats its around you since tww release

[leaden prairie]

Oh what

[vestal escarp]

You do you

[leaden prairie]

I thought it was around target

[tepid trellis]

thats only spatter

[leaden prairie]

Ye

Ok

[vestal escarp]

Nah thats the sin stuff

[leaden prairie]

That changes stuffa

I might have been trolling

I was using sin brain when I should have been using outlaw brain

Eta gg

[tepid trellis]

its very important to actually play around it

on stuff like Rik riverb

for example

[plush roost]

Rika-rika-rik reverb to you bud

[tepid trellis]

that boss pisses me off

[wild hornet]

I had a bit more optimism for my parses

[stiff stirrup]

guys quick question for big AOE packs in the opener do we not care about find weakness on all targets before we SecTec?

[tepid trellis]

sectech is like 75% shadow dmg

so not really

[stiff stirrup]

we dont care about FW for black powder or nimble flurry either?

I mean do we ever shuriken storm other than CP generation?

[hazy breach]

You can evasion his circle when he spawns the amplifier during your cds

Which is neat

[hazy breach]

For BP fw is very relevant

Not that much for nimble no

[stiff stirrup]

ok gotcha

[tepid trellis]

yeh im big on abusing that

[hazy breach]

Or well, for nimble you really need your target to have fw up

[rustic mortar]

we we playing arround the new tierset or dont give a fuck

[hazy breach]

But the other targets doesnt matter that much

[tepid trellis]

i just need to find a decent timing for my cds in p2-p3 on him

to annihilate barrels

[hazy breach]

Did you guys kill him

[tepid trellis]

nah

saw end of p2

it can very much die tmrw tho

[hazy breach]

We still have gallly & second boss left so probably not gonna get much time on rik, but maybe, who knows

[native zodiac]

We might kill him tonight

Dagger

[tepid trellis]

2nd boss should just be a 1tap

that boss is a fcking joke

the "enrage" doesent even fcking exist

[hazy breach]

Ye probably gonna take longer to clear trash to it

[tame stone]

is there any way to boost just a WA sound?

[alpine wraith]

cauldron of carnage?

[hazy breach]

Opinions on holding cds for cleave on second boss

[tepid trellis]

cauldrop of we forgot to add dmg to the enrage effect

[hazy breach]

Since its 90s between each cleave phase

But the first one is at 60s, so its a bit cringe

[tepid trellis]

i never bothered

[rustic mortar]

we we playing arround the new tierset or dont give a fuck

[tepid trellis]

• i dont really wanna stand inbetween the two bosses

in vietnam

[rustic mortar]

*are we

[tribal blade]

not really no

[alpine wraith]

i did it fine on hc but idk if anything on mythic changes for it

what i did is save the dance i would send at 30 secs or so after first sets of cds

and send 2 there

[tribal blade]

oo good idea, i'm gonna try that

[lilac stag]

@vale pine following up from yesterday about 1 handers and crafts. I sent my dagger craft. I did a craft with different missive, different ilvl (rank 4 & rank 5) and different embellishment. None of it worked to skip crests on a second dagger. The ring still worked as of last night.

[native zodiac]

I thought about this aswell and with the current killtimers it could be worth tbh

[tepid trellis]

timers arent really that good for it

they are gonna dip midway your burst

[leaden prairie]

Didn't know that, the brown circle right, can you also cloak it

[native zodiac]

I guess but you also wont lose a set by doing it

[alpine wraith]

yea no idea how M changes things

[tepid trellis]

its physical

they hit the center at
1:15
2:49
4:24
5:59
7:34

[alpine wraith]

remember you have to be looking at rik

for evasion to work

[vale pine]

ah nice, thanks for testing

[tribal blade]

it looks like the #1 parse on cauldron the dude is doing absolutely nothing to play around the clash

[subtle jay]

pretty much so

[alpine wraith]

well sub is very rng

so just proc

[subtle jay]

also you can use cloak to remove stacking debuffs and just keep dmging same boss

[void ocean]

yea, if u have another rogue on the other side who does the same

otherwise ur balance might be fcked up

[tepid trellis]

who has more than 1 rogue in the roster

lol

[void ocean]

fair

[tribal blade]

rogues are so rare these days

[lilac stag]

we’re so back though!

[native zodiac]

Are we

[alpine wraith]

we have 3

well not for long

[void ocean]

I dont think i've ever enjoyed more playing sub

[tribal blade]

sub is so back

[lilac stag]

my sarcasm tag didn’t trigger.

[lilac stag]

I know. Look at all the pirates in here.

[tribal blade]

yeah we're now the sin chat

[alpine wraith]

nah sub is back to rigor mortis

now that people found out dh/ww/war/ret are better in raid/m+

and lots of people will play assa anyway

[lilac stag]

duh

[tribal blade]

yeah i have very little expectations that sub will stay on top

BUT

we're used to it

[alpine wraith]

we already get rinsed in mid hc to m entry lvls

yea it is what it is

wait until we get 4p they say

[tribal blade]

liquid literally sat their rogue

[alpine wraith]

oh wait they also get theirs

well stix does dmg but you just use cds

[vestal escarp]

sin buffs waiting room

[lilac stag]

trickster is fun, but it’s still just cute compared to what others can rip.

[tribal blade]

they need to do something about how atrophic works

it's kinda bullshit

that it straight up doesn't work on some fights

[lilac stag]

what happens first, assa buffs or mythic boss nerfs?

[rain stratus]

Assa buffs unfortunately, followed by another SecTech nerf

🙂

[alpine wraith]

they already did the round of pvp nerfs i expected too

to it all comes a full circle

[lilac stag]

I give it a week or two more for the shine of not being a flat dmg spec wears off and wondering why DH, WW and War are so much better.

We carry on. 🗡️🗡️

[tribal blade]

this is what we signed up for

[alpine wraith]

it was written in the stars

[tulip gorge]

damn First Dance is actually quite sick

[ornate heron]

It's the new 4p currently bugged ?

[lilac stag]

can you be specific?

[real rain]

!craft

[lilac stag]

Dagger

[keen dome]

Dagger is a good bet week 1.

[ornate heron]

Just wondering if there are any known bugs? I swapped from my old 4p to new 4p today and it doesn't seem like it does more damage?

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, got hero pants off Stix.

Now to sit on those until reset

[clever delta]

Every time I press evis outside the dance i stare at my tier set stacks and praying to not consume... it really drive me crazy

[tulip gorge]

are you actually playing around it though

[ornate heron]

Not really. Just happy when I get to dance with high stacks and sad when I don't

[tulip gorge]

well there's your problem

[ornate heron]

So I have to hold CDs until my stacks get higher?

[civic forge]

rupture instead of evis before cds to not consume it

[tulip gorge]

no, as far as I'm aware you should try to keep your stacks at max if you are close to flag window

[molten citrus]

I thought that wasn’t a gain anymore

[alpine wraith]

overall it is whatever

[tulip gorge]

for m+ it's definitely worth doing the rupture thing

[alpine wraith]

but i aint doing 100000 pulls on a boss to get lucky or unlucky

so if i see high stacks and cds come

evis/sec tech takes a backseat

[tulip gorge]

but I wouldn't know, I still don't have 4p

the joys of being a trial

[alpine wraith]

i have 0p dont worry too ahaha

[tulip gorge]

funny thing is I still outperform people with 4p

[clever delta]

I was lucky with many zenith drops

[tulip gorge]

and I am still not a prio for tier

[ornate heron]

So in m+ when we go into pulls I just spread ruptures until 8 and then pop CDs?

[tribal blade]

no don't wait for tier

just send when pull is gathered

[tulip gorge]

so you basically just do your dance windows as normal

by the end of it you have a high number of stacks, right

[tepid trellis]

its only really a thing in m+

[tribal blade]

if you're not unlucky yes

[tulip gorge]

if you know you're going to fight a new pack soon, it's worth just rupturing

so you don't lose your stacks

and you can start your new dance window with 8 stacks

which is a lot of burst

[tepid trellis]

regular dances dont really matter

its more important for the flag window

[clever delta]

If you played enha it's same basically as holding tempest

[ornate heron]

Ah ok sounds good.. just try to get 8 stacks for the flag window in the previous pack but if I can't then just send it anyways got it .

[tribal blade]

to me it seems like using rupture 1-2 finishers from cd set is the sweet spot in ST

[tulip gorge]

so how bad are we getting nerfed boys

[hazy breach]

Probably not at all if i had to guess

[ornate heron]

Also for the guys that do sims. Have we looked into why pacemaker and priory trinket combo simming super weird and low?

[hazy breach]

Well priory isnt good

[keen dome]

Don't worry I'm doing my job and being terrible to make everybody assume Sub is bad so no nerf

[tribal blade]

sub is performing well but it's not a huge outlier

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate heron]

It's popping priory trinket around 26 seconds after blades and flag fall off

[tulip gorge]

thanks for your service 🫡

[hazy breach]

But its because pacemaker is bugged in sims and counts as an on-use for certain things

[ornate heron]

Priory is all I have 😭

[hazy breach]

I mean

It doesnt matter ingame

[tribal blade]

watching the tier stacks has been anxiety inducing in some ways

[tulip gorge]

I just hope blizzard doesn't do a knee jerk nerf

[ornate heron]

I played assa last season so Im upgrading my skardyns grace to that

[tribal blade]

pray

[ornate heron]

But for some reason my 639 skardyns grace sims higher than 655 priory

[hazy breach]

Well, and i qoute "WW does what rogue does except better in every way"

[ornate heron]

Even when numbers tell me that it shouldn't?

[tulip gorge]

this reworked version of sub is just so much fun

[hazy breach]

Yes just use the 655

Or go and get the pvp trinket

[keen dome]

give us ring of peace but it works inversely

Shadowtrap

[ornate heron]

What ilvl is pvp trinket?

[hazy breach]

Upto 658

[tulip gorge]

so a druid vortex?

[flint horizon]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[keen dome]

yes but cooler

[leaden prairie]

But atro

[tulip gorge]

warrior's Champion Spear?

[vagrant fulcrum]

mystic touch

[keen dome]

yes but COOLER

because it's purple

[leaden prairie]

Guys atro is a raid buff right

[keen dome]

yeah

[leaden prairie]

It guarantee us a spot

Right guys

[twin surge]

oh so its bugged. i was wondering why my zee's thug hotline was simming higher than pacemaker

[keen dome]

Actually our raid buff is the no parry

Just convince all the warriors that we are integral

[leaden prairie]

No way you ever bench your atro guy right

Guys

[hazy breach]

If its like 5% worse yes

[native zodiac]

[hazy breach]

But the hotline is decent

[keen dome]

I want the goon squad...

[tulip gorge]

doesn't RWF use rogue for atro?

[shy scarab]

Liquid benched a atro guy

[molten citrus]

depends on the fight

[shy scarab]

Haha

[alpine wraith]

dont worry with how much dmg gally vomits every 20 secs

we are safe for him

other bosses?

well

[molten citrus]

so far they only benched rogue for stix

[clever delta]

Man I passed on hotline trinket because pacemaker was sommimg the same. Did I grief myself ?

[alpine wraith]

stix is the only one where you just cd it

[tulip gorge]

I honestly expected them to run double sub rogues

[alpine wraith]

also a lot of dmg comes from the adds that are spread too

[keen dome]

Stix feels fucking nightmareish as a melee with windows

[tulip gorge]

and I'm happy they didn't

[native zodiac]

There was also no rogue on sprocket for liquid yesterday, but we yet to see a final comp

[brisk onyx]

a little question, is it still worth the spam rupture to keep the stack until the flag/blade arrives in ST?

[alpine wraith]

sprocked is same as stix kinda

you just use healing cds

so your -200k dps rogue

is just waiting on the bench for one armed

[molten citrus]

yeh it could change, when i went to bed they were still on stix xd

[molten citrus]

no

[native zodiac]

Ye can defo still change, we will see

[molten citrus]

not unless your next flag/blades lines up with a damage amp or adds afaik

[native zodiac]

Rogue will defo be played in slot machine, mugzee and gally imo

[molten citrus]

echo has perfecto in atm

[alpine wraith]

we dont really know

[molten citrus]

so thats somethin

[keen dome]

I think they are going to play ten Sub rogues on gallywix

[shy scarab]

Feint to op

[molten citrus]

outlaw rogues because no step 💀

[keen dome]

oh damn, true

[clever delta]

Is it over simming or under simming for us than

[brisk onyx]

ture

[molten citrus]

[native zodiac]

O shit nice, im at work cant check

[hazy breach]

Literally only matters if you dont have a 90s trinket

[clever delta]

Is kush still benched?

[molten citrus]

he on dh on sprocket atm

[clever delta]

So they killed trash boss?

[native zodiac]

Liquid and echo did yeah

[clever delta]

Cool

[leaden prairie]

I know lol that's why I'm saying that

[alpine wraith]

healers very stron this tier

[clever delta]

I had some issues with hotlin, it simmed same as eye for me and than it atart simming much worse than eye and even with pacemaker

The same day sims

[alpine wraith]

so they can just muscle through

but dps important

[tulip gorge]

pls no more healing nerfs

[alpine wraith]

so you cant muscle through rogue inting

[shy crown]

is it worth playing sub even without transmitter for m+

[clever delta]

You can play it as 2m class and be fine

If it's worth or not I don't know

[tulip gorge]

I'd personally just play outlaw until I get a trinket

[onyx parcel]

!wax

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[shy crown]

yeah maybe.. assa feels nice too with funnel

[tulip gorge]

if only assa in ST wasn't complete garbage

[vestal escarp]

It isnt, really

[shy crown]

yeah pure st boss its bad

but not horrible

[tulip gorge]

it's awful to play

[molten citrus]

you can get pvp trinket

[shy crown]

outlaw is amazing st but huge packs does tank damage

havent tried ks build yet tho

[molten citrus]

there's a few people playing trickster outlaw that def never do tank damage

[tulip gorge]

in huge pulls yeah you do tank damage

but pugs almost never do those

[shy crown]

yeah need to try trickster

[tulip gorge]

so outlaw is still very good

trickster is great, you just have to be careful with killing spree

[tribal blade]

sub right now is doing amazing ST and amazing aoe in keys

[shy crown]

ooo ty ill check it out

[tribal blade]

perfectly balanced

[hazy breach]

I mean sub absolutely crushes dungeon ST

[shy crown]

with damage amp bet its nuts

[hazy breach]

Even without

[tribal blade]

you can gap people by a huge margin

it's actually hilarious

[shy crown]

probably getting nerfed soon so i dont wanna craft anything yet

[tribal blade]

it's like enhance gapping people last season

[vestal escarp]

Yeah current kill timers for 11s and 12s really favor 90s cds

[pliant sigil]

Can someone explain me please this part in aoe rotation? Why are we using shuriken storm when flawless form is up. Aren't we suppose to use backstab so it can cleave with nimble flurry. Is it because we know for certain that unseen blade is on cd during 1 stack of flawless form so we spam shuriken storm instead to gain many cp?

[molten citrus]

i wouldn't expect it ngl

already caught a couple nerfs

[tribal blade]

the last time i did a 11 cinderbrew i did ~500k more ST damage on the 1st boss than my enhance and fire mage

[tulip gorge]

I have a bad opinion of blizzard devs so I expect them to do it

[vestal escarp]

Sub got it's tuning already

[molten citrus]

if it isn't insane in raid we are fine

[vestal escarp]

Nothing new coming unless it's doing silly things in raid

Imo

[tulip gorge]

remember in DF season 3 where they nerfed assa like 3 weeks in a row

[molten citrus]

and raid seems quite balanced atm

[hazy breach]

I did 2.3M on second boss in darkflame while the others did 1.5M
Obviously a 2:10 fight timer is nuts for sub but even so

[tribal blade]

godDAMN

[vestal escarp]

It all changes when you try to push and timers get to 3:00 3:30

[vale pine]

you use backstab to get flawless form back up

flawless form procs from unseen blades

and unseen blades does not proc from shuriken storm

[tribal blade]

my final wishlist for trickster is they add UB to storm

[pliant sigil]

Thanks a lot. So i did it wrong. Just spammed st rotation. It's time to retrain muscle memory, I guess

[vale pine]

you have flawless form up most of the time

so even if you don't do the backstab its fine

its a very small optimization

[tribal blade]

i started letting nimble drop in aoe outside cds no matter the target count and just storm>bping in keys

[vale pine]

also most of your damage is in cooldowns, you also have it up ^^

[tribal blade]

to see what it was like

[rugged condor]

Fuu is there any optimization for holding coup? I've been holding it if cds are up in like 10s or so

[tribal blade]

seems much better for cdr

[vale pine]

yes there is a optimization for holding coup

[frozen lichen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

but its worth like 0.2% dps

you would do the BP trick again basically

so ~20 secounds before flag comes off cd not use evis

[rugged condor]

Pog

[broken ermine]

Has anyone been doing delves as sub and have brann completely take threat as healer but only when they shadow dance? I think there's a bug that the game is treating stealth from shadow dance as actual stealth and you just completely lose threat and healer Brann gets pounded and you're basically solo

[tribal blade]

dance completely removes all your threat

[broken ermine]

Is it a talent?

[tribal blade]

nah it's just built into dance

[broken ermine]

So sub is just bad for delves

[tribal blade]

sub is great for delves

it's just turbo annoying to chase mobs around while they're aggroed to him

you can swap him to tank

[lilac stag]

Sub is great in delves for a non pet dps class

[tribal blade]

then he'll stand still

[broken ermine]

He doesnt heal himself as tank though

[lilac stag]

you do kinda need to use your toolkit and not just press and hold W

[tribal blade]

brann is just an asshole

who'll point at you when he fucks up a pull

most toxic wow player

[hollow spear]

If you keep this up, you might just summon Guy

[leaden prairie]

Just be careful with the 3 sec stun every 12 sec

[broken ermine]

It's kinda mad that this is just the way it is and sub has to play delves differently or not at all considering they made changes so healers could do delves easier

[tulip gorge]

imagine if instead of killing spree, trickster used blade rush

[tribal blade]

i think most people find it w/e because delves aren't "real" content

i find it infurtiating too, but i don't lose much sleep over it

[real rain]

what embelishment is the best on dagger?

[tribal blade]

you can legit use any of the embels you see top sub rogues running and be fine

so ascendance or focusing lens or dusk lining

ascendance is the best for overall all content and multispeccing

[hollow spear]

I just use the sin bleed build in delves

And swap to sub on boss

I heard hof rogues switch to ww in delves

The trick is to then never swap back to rogue at all

[slate lantern]

ww is fun

kinda itches that "hittin buttons" vibe that i miss from outlaw

[tepid trellis]

all of my m+ bosses end at like 1:50 -.-

[hazy breach]

Stop playing with good players bozo

[tepid trellis]

tru tru

im going into darkflame prison today

[leaden prairie]

Low keys tho

[tepid trellis]

time to spam it on +6

[hollow spear]

What for

[tepid trellis]

neck

[leaden prairie]

But in higher keys 2 min on bosses are sometimes weird

[hollow spear]

Pvp neck not an option?

Or does it sim worse?

[tepid trellis]

cba grinding sockets for it

[leaden prairie]

Like you can't necessarily send again without not having for next pack

[tepid trellis]

so

[leaden prairie]

I think 1min30 might work well

[hollow spear]

So you've decided to just get lucky in m+

[tepid trellis]

its gonna take me 3 runs

im calling it

[leaden prairie]

Hm

How does that work

I forgot

[tepid trellis]

you need honor

10k

for 2 sockets

[hollow spear]

For me it's the skardyns debacle all over again

At least I got a decent delve trinket so I don't have to farm floodgate as hard

[leaden prairie]

And pvp gear is just hero track right not higher

[hollow spear]

Still not sure if it's simbait tho, 4k haste make me feel uneasy

[hazy breach]

Champ

[hollow spear]

Champ

[leaden prairie]

What

No wae

Like the big pvp gear ?

[hollow spear]

Yeah but it's very high vers

[hazy breach]

Yes

[hollow spear]

And some mastery

[leaden prairie]

Mh

[hollow spear]

Stats are gigachad

[leaden prairie]

Maybe I just get lucky in m+ then

I'm always lucky with m+ gear

[hollow spear]

Not sure how 658 pvp neck compares to 665 cleft

[leaden prairie]

Any simmer in the chat

[hollow spear]

On my phone rn, cba

[vestal escarp]

I used to think like this for about 10 hot minutes

[hollow spear]

Just get it in your vault on myth track

Easy

[vestal escarp]

But then i realized that 30 crests per piece are 30 crests per piece

[tepid trellis]

i already have a 655 neck

so

[vestal escarp]

[hollow spear]

Too many chads here

[vestal escarp]

Outplayed

[hollow spear]

Depressing

[vestal escarp]

Gg trashpanda

[tepid trellis]

im gonna be like 655.5 equipped with the neck

[alpine wraith]

i need to farm neck

too hmm

[vestal escarp]

Now lemme pull a screenshot of my 655 dfc neck

[alpine wraith]

i already have the pvp one

and only need 2k more honor for sockets

[tepid trellis]

saw i needed 7k

and said

NAH

[alpine wraith]

CBAAAA

[tepid trellis]

not happening

[alpine wraith]

i already had some honor from last season

[vestal escarp]

If i soft afk the bgs we lose all the time

So

[steel zinc]

that already in the apl?

[glad raven]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[ionic agate]

hi guys i there any weak aura to track shadow technique stored combo points ?

[glad raven]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[ionic agate]

Ty sir

[hollow spear]

How long does farming 10k honor take?

[quiet wasp]

Anyone have any good WA’s made for tracking the S2 tier set? I was going to tinker around with one and wanted to see if anybody has done any of the legwork first

[hollow spear]

If you don't have hands

[vestal escarp]

Not for sub

[vocal lantern]

is our 4p a big enough difference though? iirc its a very small percentage of gain

[haughty mural]

11%

[hazy breach]

Its a fine set

[haughty mural]

yes

[molten citrus]

get the honor flask

almost 1k honor per win

[brisk raptor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JWqc7Zbzk46afKwD?fight=31&type=casts&source=18&view=events

could someone take a look at this log and see if I did anything majorly wrong?

[wild vine]

I got the worldboss neck

Basically the same

[molten citrus]

a few hours maybe

if you already have the neck

prolly 2-3hrs if you don't lose too many of the BGs

it sucks they didn't give us a Comp Stomp brawl at the beginning of this season makes it easy to farm honor vs NPCs

[tribal blade]

wtf i didn't realize we literally don't have a single good neck available this tier

[molten citrus]

can prob craft a neck with sparks later right

[hazy breach]

yep

[fallow nimbus]

Since lens can be put on neck maybe a crafted one isn't that bad

[hazy breach]

But it also doesnt matter that much, some crit is good

And there the crit+vers neck

[tribal blade]

true yeah

i passed up rolling on that neck because i thought i could get a better one elsewhere

[vale pine]

yes

[tribal blade]

the mugzee neck is actually ok

+0.7% at base ilvl for me

[wild vine]

The real tragedies are wrist and boots

Unless raidloot/crafting

[lilac stag]

the raid options are good. No one else wants them

[tribal blade]

i got confused at first because i saw the perfect wrists off bandit haha

yeah literally noone else wants vers/mast

i never ever have competition over vers mast gear in raid

[fallow nimbus]

In hc and normal we dropped 3 leather pieces

All with haste

[wild vine]

We dropped none so far

And 1 specific tierpiece

[latent trellis]

hey when i craft my wep do i use mastery/vers ?

[tribal blade]

yes

[latent trellis]

❤️

Is the bug still working?

with the slot change

[hazy breach]

No

[latent trellis]

ok

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallen fable]

Do u know guys if perfecto stream ?

or any rogue sub from hight guilde ?

[tiny sierra]

perfectogg

[tiny sierra]

imexile from liquid

[fallen fable]

thank you much

[lilac stag]

kush is in here as well, but playing real dps spec in race

[signal heath]

you guys rocking sub or sin for m+ this patch? i see a little of both, not sure what the move is

[hazy breach]

whatever you enjoy the most

[lilac stag]

youre in the sub chan, we play sub here. that's the move. unless you like assa better. then that's the move.

[night rampart]

were all sub uwu

[alpine wraith]

you might need to wait a bit to see some sub gameplay

maybe one armed bandit will ahve some

lots of dmg come from boss

[latent trellis]

but on wep Dusk do not work

[lilac stag]

so use lense

it really doesnt matter

[fallen fable]

Sub on team , assa on pug

the pb of sub on M+ atm is u have hight CD , if tank don't play arounde your cd

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[fallen fable]

u gonna do 0 dps

if tank play for you , you zerg the key

[lilac stag]

you wont but that's ok

[fallen fable]

3m+ overall atm

its zerg

ig

[lilac stag]

lol

cd beter?? idk

[fallen fable]

also sub is gear dependant

[fallen crescent]

Had 2 hoc drop from our hero bandit kill and corrupt loot council gave me one. I replaced my hero transmitter. I’m free!

[fallen fable]

u need 4p + house of card

to zerg M+

[gritty knot]

I literally did a few +10s yesterday with different pugs. None of them played around my CD's or gave any shits. Many pulls were fked up and I was First in DPS in every single Key. Idk about that 😂 sub is in a good spot right now

[molten citrus]

not really

sub is blasting even with rat gear

[fallen fable]

u need transmiter

or house of card

at least

[molten citrus]

i mean for full bis at end of season sure

[fallen fable]

i play this

[molten citrus]

for farming keys right now, no

[fallen fable]

skardyn pretty ass

for sub

[lilac stag]

nice assa trinkets

[fallen fable]

xddd

[hazy breach]

Ye get a pvp trinket or a transmitter

[gritty knot]

Hahahaha

[molten citrus]

i have worse gear than you

and i out dps most pugs

[lilac stag]

love the advice

[molten citrus]

[fallen fable]

pugs are randoms

bro

[lilac stag]

when you just swap over

[fallen fable]

if you doing 10 atm

every random do 10

trust me when u start to deal with some 12-13 u need tank to play for ur cd

or its over

[molten citrus]

i mean are we talking about right now or end of season bis

ah

[lilac stag]

in 10s you can manage your cds it's more than fine

and boss dmg destroys assa

but just blame tank

that's fine

[fallen fable]

some key u gonna play sub

some assa

anyway

ig

[hazy breach]

I would be surprised if thats the case

[tepid trellis]

[alpine wraith]

some keys you will play dh others warrior

[fallen fable]

key with small pulls ( not TOP bcs ST key so sub pixel )

but assa in 5-6 target pull

[alpine wraith]

maybe ww

[fallen fable]

really good

[alpine wraith]

yea they blast

[fallen fable]

when sub is meeeh

on 3 target

[tribal blade]

i don't see the reason to play sin over sub right now

[lilac stag]

there isnt unless you dont know the spec

[hazy breach]

Sub is not meh on 6 targets what

[fallen fable]

nah 6 is big

but

some key

[hazy breach]

Sub is meh on 20 targets

[fallen fable]

most of pull is

[haughty mural]

[fallen fable]

2-3

[hazy breach]

But thats pretty much only cinderbrew

[fallen fable]

w/e its all about tank anyway

[lilac stag]

2-3 you can blast

nimble do work

[gritty knot]

It's literally about u and not tanks. U need to check the route, react to new situations and decide if it's worth to use cd's for 3 mobs or maybe wait for next packt or Boss. Cant blame anyone else for that. U can play Sub mid and just do whatever and still do good DMG. Or u start thinking while doing Keys and adapt to different situations and do really good DMG. I would never blame Tanks for that 😂

[fallen fable]

its about tank bro

when u have ur 1.5 CD

and tank pull 3 mob

then 3 mob

then again 3

[lilac stag]

always tank fault bro

always

learn to pull with tricks and your ass

[alpine wraith]

skill issue

ahaha

[fallen fable]

xddd

[gritty knot]

In a 10 no Tank will pull 3 mobs only all the time....

[lilac stag]

bruh you dont know

tanks fault

[fallen fable]

gimme ur tank pug

[alpine wraith]

some places like in rookery you kinda need to do those pulls tho

you cant pull 6 void guys

that is a death sentence

[proven plover]

Just send cds tho

[lilac stag]

and if you're pulling 3, those still need to die, and rotate your cds so someone else has next pull

[proven plover]

Whats the issue

[lilac stag]

bad assa players

[proven plover]

Its 1,5min

[lilac stag]

trying sub

cd management make head go boom

[gritty knot]

Ye it's Not easy. Never was. Too much for many people 😂

[fallen fable]

i just

go play BM

[haughty mural]

yes

[fallen fable]

kill order x10

and gj wp

[lilac stag]

and that's ok, if you wanna press W on assa go for it

[fallen fable]

4m overall

[proven plover]

The only reason to hold CD is if pack is already dying

And even then u can just send dance

Almost always

[vital siren]

When are you supposed to stop putting up rupture on targets? I am thinking about a pull like workshop first pull

[gritty knot]

Pro Tip: Check and track other peoples CDs

[fallen fable]

u only rupture

on setup

or ST

without cd

ig

[spark patio]

Do we ever secret tech outside of shadow dance?

[vital siren]

so for m+ you don't keep up rupture on something like a 5pack?

[lilac stag]

its lives 12 seconds and you dont have cds ready

[tepid trellis]

You rupture spread between dances

[proven plover]

I do if i have to hold dance after 2nd Flag Windows

[lilac stag]

cds ready you just send those

[glad raven]

Is there any optimizations for using supercharger, or do i just play as normal and its a nice bonus?

[tepid trellis]

Very rarely

[proven plover]

I just send one naked sectec if it will be up for next dance

[tepid trellis]

You supercharge sectech

[spark patio]

Ok thanks for reply’s, just change spec today and was hitting dummy

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

dont try to yolo sub

[spark patio]

The downtime window feels rrough. Felt like I should be doin more than backstab

[lilac stag]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[glad raven]

So as long as I'm pressing ST as the 1st 2nd finisher after SoD, I'm all good?

[vital siren]

Guides seem a little bit split on when to storm instead of shadowstrike. When does storm take prio?

Both inside and outside of dance

[hazy breach]

theyre not

[plucky portal]

hey guys, should i be using patchwerk sim for raid/st and should i be using dungeon slice for m+ ? or just stick to patchwerk with m+ aswell?

[vital siren]

Thanks!

[molten citrus]

ye patch for ST d slice for m+

[plucky portal]

ait thanks, wasnt sure that dungeon slice was optimal to use but thanks for clarifying 😄

[lilac stag]

its not perfect, specifically simming TFD but its good enough for gearing

[plucky portal]

good enough is good enough :p

[steady dune]

is the algari alchemist stone any good?

[lilac stag]

sim it

you need a 90 sec on use

after that your gear will matter

[plucky portal]

currently using signet of the priory, should i get that replaced ? :p 2min cd on that

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[quiet smelt]

are we holding off swapping tier until we get a new 4 set ?

[void ocean]

sim your pins, bro

[lilac stag]

what if my pins doesnt have 4p?

[void ocean]

well it usually doesnt, it only has 1p

[lilac stag]

typical rogue luck in raid

[pseudo fiber]

is a quick sim viable in order to get a clear damage profile in dungeons?

and what should i sim? dungeon slice or 8 targets patchwork?

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[swift tinsel]

God I can't wait to be out of no-4pc jail

[fair viper]

hey guys lenz emblish for st and what about m+?

[final holly]

alchemical chaos sims (slightly) higher for me than the verse flask:

• is it simbait?
• do we run verse for non-throughput reasons (the DR in prog basically)?

[lilac stag]

it wont matter, just run lense

[hazy breach]

Its not simbait no

[lilac stag]

vers is more consistent, and more defensive. up to you. gamba or not

[upper haven]

/wa

[dusty totem]

Chaos makes ur temp pot stronger but introduces some variance and less dr ofc

[lilac stag]

/wave

[spice saffron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[final holly]

thanks!

[signal heath]

does rupture only spread to one other target? and what is allowing it to do that?

[swift tinsel]

replicating shadows

[signal heath]

trying to do a bit of a deep dive into sub and understand all these different interactions

thank

[swift tinsel]

spec tree talent

[signal heath]

you

[tepid trellis]

took only 1 run

[quiet smelt]

whats the best option to use when simming for m+ scenario nowa days ?

[swift tinsel]

Meanwhile a heavy-haste/mastery neck is out-simming my silken advisor's

[lilac stag]

you netty get it or traded?

[tepid trellis]

natty

[lilac stag]

nice

[keen dome]

High5 necklace pals

[shy ermine]

I can’t use it with current gear

[pseudo fiber]

are we really playing The First Dance? ... i feel like its a waste if tank keeps chainpulling

[shy ermine]

Think it’s to do with house of cards instead of transmitter in bis list

My sim likes mastery too much

[tepid trellis]

mine changed when i had to much mastery

[molten citrus]

tfd stronk

[shy ermine]

I think my next craft is vers mastery neck because I’m never getting house of cards 😂

[lilac stag]

it takes 2 uses in a dungeon (ie every boss) to make it worth it

[pseudo fiber]

huh, fair

okay i pick it

[signal heath]

has rogue ever had a season where some thing wasnt bugged lol? kinda nutty, like even with shuriken storm, we have to use it on the second combo point gen from symbols bc it takes all your stacks of rotten? gotta give so much credit to the people who figure all this shit out lol

[lilac stag]

!tfd when? @hazy breach

[signal heath]

so i can go back and read abiut every thing and still not really understand it lmao

[swift tinsel]

its either TfD or WM which does next to nothing in ST and literally nothing in AoE

[tepid trellis]

this is quite nice tho

[signal heath]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

[signal heath]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[signal heath]

!WA

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[steady dune]

damn stealthi, with an ilvl like thaat you could join method or something lol., lets see you on that world first!

[keen dome]

Huuuuuge

[full viper]

anything to track or consider for coup the grace? or just forget and send?

[pseudo fiber]

i've read up some guides now. do we actually use technique outside of dance when a sod is up? im ass confused

[lilac stag]

downgrade from Colour

[signal heath]

so we get rupture up before we evis and get SnD up huh

[tepid trellis]

it do be quite huge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pvKgGTKEUq83YNKtDVoTq8

[signal heath]

oh wow so we dont have snd up until after we use our first Secert tech

this is breaking all the old rules in my head of rogue lol

[keen dome]

Damn, massive damage. Love to see it.

[void ocean]

wut?

[lilac stag]

"pvp" done for now

[keen dome]

I'll catch up. I'm gonna get the big ilevel.

[molten citrus]

[keen dome]

Just gotta wait for reset..

[tepid trellis]

got so much left to get from m+

[lilac stag]

every kill I thought to myself how proud you would be

[molten citrus]

[signal heath]

evis doesn't get pressed until after ST or atleast it seems that way

so no SnD until after ST

[keen dome]

I am really curious at how absurd One-ArmedH is going to be in pugs.

[lilac stag]

so the first pull of the dungeon?

[void ocean]

did snd ever matter in so many targets

[lilac stag]

you'll literally have snd rolling

and no it doesnt matter

[signal heath]

ah that is true, yea your right but when i was reading it im just thinking as if it was a prepull with no snd up

but makes sense

but even the single target one that involves a 20 sec prepull timer

your not evis until after ST anyway, so this is mindful of not havig snd already up

[tepid trellis]

the 7 seconds without SnD dont really matter

[signal heath]

yea id imagine it doesnt matter, since this is what they are saying to do. im just so use to getting snd up asap historically on rogue

[tepid trellis]

for what its worth

the old opener

[swift tinsel]

this is the only point it would really matter and it doesn't

[tepid trellis]

is neutral to this

[swift tinsel]

ye

[tidal copper]

I’m having a hard time in situations where I have to hold CDs to line up with some kind of mechanic or phase. Is it just backstab to not energy cap and evis at max CP? Seems like everything else is tied to a CD

[void ocean]

i wanted to ask, didnt we evis after flag in the opener

[swift tinsel]

you did, but its entirely dps neutral to skip the vanish-rupture and just rupture instead

[proven plover]

I like saving the vanish tbh

[signal heath]

oh yea, i swore some thing changed since the last time i read the rota

[swift tinsel]

if you pull all snd logic out of the apl it just plays normally and you lose nothing

[proven plover]

in some cases it could even result in a gain if u can use it for movement or to fully build cps in some edge cases

[proven plover]

bro fuck you

[molten citrus]

gtfo

[proven plover]

I blew on my monitor

[signal heath]

lol

that shit got me too

[random hare]

[molten citrus]

[signal heath]

thought i was having a trip flash back from my acid days

[random hare]

[proven plover]

thats criminal

[tepid trellis]

yeh

you are just pseudo afk

[void ocean]

its perfect, u simply dont give af between dances

u can equip a foam sword

[tepid trellis]

ilvl check bozo

[swift tinsel]

Like Vexie when you don't get second vuln phase until 4:30

[tepid trellis]

below 655 and you arent even playing the game

[versed hazel]

does anyone know what this chart represents on simulationcraft?

is it how much damage it does in relation to the number of times its cast?

[random hare]

Idk haven’t logged in since yesterday

Long work today had to sleep

[swift tinsel]

how much relative damage each button press does

[versed hazel]

thought as much, cheers

[swift tinsel]

so rupture is high bc you press it once and it keeps doing damage

[tepid trellis]

im out of m+ upgrades to get

[signal heath]

damn rupture kinda pumping

[tepid trellis]

time to raidlog

[swift tinsel]

sectech is a super loaded button

[void ocean]

is that finality opt still viable?

[twilit phoenix]

When is our next cata charge?

[swift tinsel]

1/2 finality isn't bad

[signal heath]

is there any thing that extends the rupture dot? i think it said reapply if its >9 secs?

[tepid trellis]

9 or less is just the pandemic timer

[void ocean]

supercharged rupture

[signal heath]

fucking aye, i need to learn about this supercharged shit to lol

[versed hazel]

that's the grace period where an additional cast of rupture extends the duration

[void ocean]

dont supercharge rupture

[lilac stag]

https://giphy.com/gifs/btqU9V0Z48j3in2xBu

[versed hazel]

if you cast before that 9 second mark, you will essentially waste resources casting rupture

[swift tinsel]

unless you want Rupture to last until the heat-death of the universe

[signal heath]

its a good bit of info to but makes sense well enough, just need some more time on playing

[fallow nimbus]

I have all items i need but i don't drop 655 stuff to free upgrade. It's always pants or chests, the 2 tier pieces i also have

[void ocean]

turn rupture into sectumsempra

[swift tinsel]

turn rupture into something that interacts interestingly with our kit

or remove it

[tepid trellis]

only 655 item i dont have is a head

[vestal escarp]

[tepid trellis]

but i wont endlessly grind for a 1.5k dps

for 3 ilvls

[void ocean]

like some purple bleed

[swift tinsel]

some might call it

a Blade of Night

[tepid trellis]

used to be a 10% dmg debuff

good ol days

[signal heath]

yea that was sick

[fallow nimbus]

I've seen 3 floodgate trinkets, but i got none

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/biff-tannen-back-to-the-future-something-familiar-gif-13738017

[swift tinsel]

I can't let it go

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

i got called a zoomer in finnish last night for having that

[vestal escarp]

[tepid trellis]

it is what it is

[swift tinsel]

lmfao a badge of honor

[tepid trellis]

nah the best one was he came in

asking me in finnish what monitor resolution i had

told him i dont speak finnish

he then told me to go fuck myself

then called me a zoomer for having night blade icon

xD

it was a trip

[swift tinsel]

Hahaha really hit you with the razzle-dazzle

[alpine wraith]

qhqahq

[void ocean]

he maxed out Diplomacy

[signal heath]

hopefully i dont have many more questions after this, seems like i understand most of it and the rest will come with play and reading the tech yall share here....

[hazy breach]

Hit him with the yxe kaxe kolme sauna

[signal heath]

that first Sstorm is only used if we want to spread more rupture while tank groups

[void ocean]

perrrrkele

[signal heath]

if we arent spreading we dont use Sstorm of 7 or more targets until its the second combo gen after symbols

[tepid trellis]

only storm

in dance

with 7 or more

targets

[signal heath]

but after that if its still 7 or more targets do we storm?

[tepid trellis]

otherwise dont press it

[signal heath]

ohh only in dance

ok

god it

[tepid trellis]

you only storm ONCE

[signal heath]

got

[tepid trellis]

then back to striking

[versed hazel]

ye once for dm

[signal heath]

ok thats what i was thinking but wanted to make sure

thank you

[tepid trellis]

its for FW

DM is just a nice lil added extra

[signal heath]

find weakness right

yea

gotta get use to all the acronym's

[void ocean]

also on 7+ if cdg is up we evis instead of bp, right?

[swift tinsel]

Always use coup even in aoe

[bold urchin]

hey do you guys have a simtemplate to sim different races?

[swift tinsel]

#tc-research message

[bold urchin]

thx

[signal heath]

so coup changes your evis into a different button yea? do you guys use a WA to track when its up?

[void ocean]

ofc

[swift tinsel]

You should know when you have coup

[tepid trellis]

yep

[swift tinsel]

changes the order you use finishers in dance since you wanna coup before sectech

[sly shore]

I wanna kiss before sectech but we can't get everything we want can we

[versed hazel]

do you ever cb coup?

or always sectech

[hazy breach]

Sectech

[sly shore]

sectech is always more damage

maffs

[tepid trellis]

have it as an icon left middle of my screen

[versed hazel]

[void ocean]

o.O I didnt know this

[signal heath]

i can see why every one says sub can be a heavy spec to learn, but it seems pretty dope

[swift tinsel]

if you sectech with coup up you miss two free stacks

[signal heath]

thank you, ill just have to find the right WA

what Wa you using for your main class WA?

[tepid trellis]

Atrocity

[signal heath]

the plugggggg