subtlety

[worthy pulsar]

ah okay no wonder. that makes sense

[swift tinsel]

symbols, esp with invevitability, will last a while so the 2nd one is used for supercharging evisc to be able to get your 2nd sectech sent as the 2nd supercharged point

its not uncommon to have sod last 14-15 seconds

[chilly gust]

anyone got a goon squad trinket script for details to merge them?

[lilac stag]

Check details discord

[worthy pulsar]

cool. easy thanks

[steel horizon]

I'm a bit confused by this. Why would the second sectec not land inside blades if you did 1-2 Backstav>evisc between the dances? You're still getting the same cdr on sectec are you not?

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

[steel horizon]

Or did you mean to say that without using the first supercharger point on eviscerate, you wouldn't be able to fit the second sectec inside blade

[steel horizon]

Yeah that part I understand about blade lasting exactly the same duration as two dances

[smoky vault]

Try it yourself, see what happens doing it so. Enough input to recharge 2nd sectec ?

Without SD chain

[steel horizon]

Not in game right now otherwise I would

[smoky vault]

You need to spam quite a bit during two SD phases for secTec to recharge in time

[steel horizon]

No I understand that but what I'm saying is that an eviscerate still gives the same CDR whether you cast it inside or outside of dance

The only time that it gives more CDR is when you cast it with supercharger

[smoky vault]

Yes but youll cast less during your SB window

And then, fucked by like 5 sec

[swift tinsel]

If you hold sod and dance with the charged cp you very much risk Sectech clones not landing in blades

Which is not good

[sudden breach]

is there a m+ aoe rotation guide anywhere

[alpine wraith]

has not change since last patch

[sudden breach]

i didnt play last patch

[alpine wraith]

there are some things if targets are bigget than 7 but the basics are easy

[blissful shore]

is it worth for me to get 4 set now? i have gotten 1 from normal and 1 from lfr. and i can catalyst 2 hero items. my question is should i wait and cata myth items or get 4 set now?

[alpine wraith]

also rip my hero piece from delve is a shitty belt

get 4 set now

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel horizon]

So what you're saying is that the more important thing is getting that supercharged eviscerate off while sectec has 10s left on its cd

And not necessarily the dance part? The rushed dance is more so just to make sure you fit the entire dance window within blades

[terse dirge]

Is nimble flurry range same as blade flurry?

[smoky vault]

2nd SecTech must be ready with SD, SOD, Flag, SB up. The trick with supercharge is a not really the thing here. The only way to get every one of them up is to chain SD for enough CP+evis to recharge

@steel horizon

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[smoky vault]

And sometimes, function of boss shits on fights, even with proper rotation you can miss the 2nd secTec rendez-vous so trust me, you do not want to wait SD while blades running

Blizzard could make burst opening a little bit less tight. And maybe less burst y but as speed as fire mage for example with more recharge rate. Maybe a rework ? I know some prefer big big burst.

[molten vector]

Not sure if this has been answer, but what is the meaning of the Two + Four set in the sims?

[swift tinsel]

Nah keep it tight

Big burst should require it

[steel horizon]

I just dont understand how chaining the 2nd dance gives you more CP though? You have SB running at that time, so you still get full CP from a backstab outside of dance dont you?

[granite river]

yo somebody got a WA for lastboss motherlod safespot ? i think i saw someone talking about it

[proven plover]

2+4p, both bonuses of the set

Im amazed at how many times this gets asked

[lusty swan]

do we only replace old 4 when we get new 4 or you think ilvl upgrades worth it

[molten vector]

appreciate the response, cheers

[smoky vault]

Sim no angel's answer

As a hint, +10 ilvl 2pc s2 is below 4pc S1 for me

[void ocean]

my god, sub is strooong af

just finished my first raid night

[coarse hound]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[graceful rock]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[alpine wraith]

depends on ilvl

[shy scarab]

Do we use backstab once we enter shadow dance for a ekstra stack?

[jaunty heath]

2pc 2pc was a very small gain for me for some reason

but we take it

im also never swapping specs again

this shit is so fun

the euphoria of big numbers

[clever delta]

got 4set someowhow too

[pure jay]

how is signet of priory for sub?

dont see it on the tier list but seems like some sin/sub stuff overlaps?

[hazy breach]

Its not a 90s trinket

So its not good

[jaunty heath]

So uhm, if we backstab in dance do we drop rotten for 1 finality?

[tepid trellis]

finality + tfd is still not an upgrade for me in sim dps

over rotten and WM

[rain stratus]

Does anyone have a good WA for 2p tracking?

[tepid trellis]

very easy to mak

make

its just a buff with stacks

[turbid depot]

guys i made a mistake today, and Mr Stark I dont feel so good

[shy scarab]

Oh shiiiiit

[native hawk]

disaster

[shy scarab]

Make a new rogue bro

[tepid trellis]

zerocool is that you?

[turbid depot]

i cant i got some items from the raid already

sadge

[shy scarab]

Well you got next week for raid but not craft😂

Unlucky dude pray for some yuuuge daggers next week i guess

[turbid depot]

true

feelsbadman

[shy scarab]

Shit…. I can feel your pain

[pure jay]

why crafting wep so bad

[lilac stag]

You beat me to it.

[sturdy aspen]

yo guys should we craft a weapon as start ?

[lilac stag]

Just make sure it has agility

[night sparrow]

Yo I've seen rogues casting blades right after first SecTec is that a thing ?

[paper iron]

yes it is

basically you want blade up before the clones hit / before your next builder after ST

[night sparrow]

alright so we don't care about missing the 20% dmg on first hit then

[paper iron]

dont ask me more theory i m lost as well on that move

x)

[night sparrow]

alright haha thx ❤️

Kinda weird Fuu's guide recommend to cast blades right before first SecTech tho

[hazy breach]

Its fine to do it before now too

It doesnt really matter

[smoky vault]

It's quite logical to get the maximum of it ... So before yeah, even if just behind is okish. Maybe some rogue who didn't know the fix ? Or macroed habit

[paper iron]

sorry for french spell name

[hazy breach]

If thats easier for you go ahead

[paper iron]

but there

[night sparrow]

tkt cimer

[paper iron]

[smoky vault]

[rustic geyser]

ngl lames de l'ombre sounds a fuck load cooler than shadow blades

[swift tinsel]

but it has "Lame" in the name

[rustic geyser]

it's built in for the doomers lately

[swift tinsel]

Those who doom aren't truly Dave

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[pure jay]

whats bad about crafting weapon?

[swift tinsel]

ignore the fact I made that

[rustic geyser]

OMG THE BIS LIST DOE!

[pure jay]

...?

[swift tinsel]

1. Grind Crests
2. Craft Weapon
3. ...
4. Profit

[rustic geyser]

lol just fake sarcasm, people will become overly fixated on a bis list, and right now a bis list won't have a crafted weapon in it. So they'll suggest that crafting one off the bat is bad.

But it's also a huge power spike and if you really want you can craft something else and replace it later

[pure jay]

so weapon is fine to craft? didnt get the memes behind the guy upset they crafted it

[pure jay]

gotcha gotcha

[swift tinsel]

they crafted it with intellect, not agility

wrong weapon lol

[proven plover]

Wish i could craft house of cards

[rustic geyser]

OH

[pure jay]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rustic geyser]

oh no

I missed that

lololololol

[swift tinsel]

so yeah just don't do that and you're good

[rustic geyser]

that's rough

feels bad for that guy

[pure jay]

i have a couple various 645 daggers but none seem to out sim the crafted 639 yet. embellishment op

[swift tinsel]

that's like some of the people in our raid who multispec and do a full raid with the wrong mainstat weapon

[ruby spear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

which has happened many times lol

typically the druids/monks

[rustic geyser]

the odd healer who giga pumped realising they had an agi weapon on like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

do you know what I COULD have done!?

[smoky vault]

Not to mention that most people don't raid mythic. Even if you can get it one équivalent other ways

[rustic geyser]

even fairer point tbh

fuck... it's a grim outlook out there for use trinkets if you're not able to get ahold of HoC

[swift tinsel]

Yeah its a Wait for Dinar angle for a fair few people methinks

[paper iron]

if u craft a dagger makes sure it s haste crit and intell

more damage

[rustic geyser]

I'm staring at my minigame trinket like ... with actual hate atm

[paper iron]

zerocool's theory

[swift tinsel]

I'm very thankful my transmitter is lower

[paper iron]

same, cant wait to be able to swap it soonsoon (lmao if i dont get it in vault i m doomed)

[steel horizon]

same. cant wait to toss this thing

[swift tinsel]

I'm 99% sure my hero HoC is coming from vault

[steel horizon]

heroic one arm dies tonight. fingers crossed

[rustic geyser]

I think I might just terf it for a decent passive and just live with it if my vault doesn't treat me well

[karmic harbor]

what embelishment are people going on weapon?

[rustic geyser]

man, just go lens, use it for every spec

all of the half way decent embelishments are like the same thing

they're all fighting to be 1% difference

[karmic harbor]

isnt darkmoon the one for if you're gonna play assa and sub

[rustic geyser]

sure do that if you like

seriously the difference in them isn't worth giving yourself an aneurysm over

just like... idk, do a few more crits

so long as you're not using like double banded, or a siphoning dagger or something it really doesn't matter

[hexed sluice]

Where my fellow siphon dagger enjoyers at?

[proven plover]

Are you guys playing m+ with first dance? How do you feel about it

[rustic geyser]

it will end up being like
option 1 will give you 1.02% extra damage
option 2 will give you like 1.1% extra damage

[late vine]

it's just assassination killing people in ToP right with sudden demise?

[rustic geyser]

lol? is that a thing?

[west arch]

is there any wa for the good streak tier set

[fallow nimbus]

Macro?

Do you mean a weakaura?

[west arch]

Yes, sorry, I was wrong.

[late vine]

yeah sudden demise kills them permanently in the arena lol

[rustic geyser]

oh man

I'm doing this later today

[foggy egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[high pier]

!WA

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[spring torrent]

Does anyone know how far off bubbling wax is vs the ironclaw whetstones?

[manic ivy]

bois (yeah i got lucky)

i can skip stabber right? just craft cloak + boots?

[paper iron]

i mean, it s not a 675 weapon, maybe it s better maybe it s not, raidbot must know

[swift tinsel]

can sim youself and see, they are not a big gain in either case

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[swift tinsel]

fun thing about wax and whetstones, the more you run sims with them the less they matter

[shell willow]

Grats

[mighty citrus]

team, as iam old and forget to press sod before a fight, whats the dps loss here?

0.00something%?

or is it actually important

[vestal fog]

[fallow loom]

2p 2p is better than s1 4p ? where i can compare ?

[random comet]

It’s probably not unless big ilvl increase, you can manually add items to the top gear sims in raidbots

I think in general 2+2 is only better for assass

[fallow loom]

okay thx will check that

[hazy breach]

Ye usually need 4p

[spring torrent]

thank you! Wow they are extremely close! I think I'll keep using the wax then to save on some gold

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

we got so many zeniths that i actually end up with 4set

[misty dome]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vital arch]

How does Supercharger work? If I have 2 supercharged points, will I essentially be using 7 CP if I use it at 5?

And 5 CP if I use it at 3?

And 9 if I use at 7? Or?

[misty dome]

oh dang that shadowcraft wa is... not what i was hoping

i was trying to find the combat log event and my etrace is an absolute mess so i was hoping the existing WA would do it that way heh

[slim gale]

Is there a good WA pack for the new raid?

[misty dome]

i'm using https://wago.io/twwraid2 but i haven't done a ton of the raid yet

i usually just use his/theirs (i dunno how many collaborators)

but the url makes it easy to find 🙂

[hazy breach]

Yes (but with forced induction its +3)

So you can do 10 CP SecretTechniques

[misty dome]

out of curiosity, how much mastery are you guys rocking?

i'm swapping from sin this season, i usually do at least 1 season of each spec per expansion, so my s1 gear wasn't HEAVY on mastery

[hazy breach]

[true stone]

So sub is obviously cranking now and all the RWF guilds are running it, but what are the odds it continues to dominate going forward as opposed to sin?

[paper iron]

not enough mastery

[misty dome]

@true stone just play what's fun to you

[paper iron]

only god knows, and god is blizzard here

[misty dome]

rogue specs usually perform at least comparably

and blizzard is a multi dollar company so who knows why they do what they do

[true stone]

Well I’m expected to play whatever is most optimal unfortunately

[paper iron]

maybe next week we will see -90% aura sub +200% destrolock from nowhere, who knows

[misty dome]

you can make arguments for all the specs

[paper iron]

maybe the other way

[misty dome]

"sin suffers more from downtime so if you want mechanics it's better to put me on sub"

"optimal" is so subjective

[true stone]

I get super upset when doing mechanics as sin lol

[paper iron]

i mean

are u going for a rank 20 world or something?

[misty dome]

i considered swapping last season because i'm one of the only reliable mechanics people in my guild

[true stone]

Gonna tell that to my RL

[misty dome]

everyone tries to milk dps

i just want kills

[slim gale]

ty

[paper iron]

Else you ll have time to gear multispec kinda if needed, and switch and craft gear and all that stuff

[misty dome]

yeah, how many alts do you have for splits?

because if the answer is "0" then it really doesn't matter

[true stone]

No and I agree with you but the problem is my RL doesn’t so I’m trying to play nice and do what’s expected

[misty dome]

if the answer is "more than 0" then what are you doing in here with us plebs?

[solar geode]

just play sub and screenshot your damage like 15 seconds into pull and post that whenever someone askks if you'e playing the most optimal spec

easy

[paper iron]

Then u go for sub now, and if you need to change cuz whatever happen sub is bad outlaw is giga, u ask him to help you gear outlaw or else u cant switch

[misty dome]

seriously

[paper iron]

to be honest, i dont see another solution

[true stone]

Good advice

[paper iron]

yo imma do that rn

[true stone]

This is under the assumption that it’s the strongest rn, which it appears to be

[misty dome]

yeah, the stat priorities/breakpoints are different enough that you're practically gonna be gearing an alt anyways, so if they want that burden, more gear goes to you

[solar geode]

is 75% mastery on sub optimal

[misty dome]

last time i looked, and i try not to look too often, lest i bet a fotm fool, sub and outlaw were pretty close

within what i would consider margin of error

[true stone]

I have about 73% mastery and the burst is pretty high

But my vers is kinda low after swapping from sin gear

[misty dome]

i'm a lowly peasant with only 49% mastery

but i've gotten 0 drops so far this week

634 4 lyfe yo

[paper iron]

there are no stats breakpoint, it s all about simming and having a good balance, if u have 30% mastery but 60% versa, i m sure it s good

[misty dome]

outlaw had haste breakpoints last season

[humble fjord]

is shadowstep bugged on wix?

i just blinked to him in the middle

[misty dome]

i'm sure it hasn't changed this season but i haven't looked yet

[humble fjord]

and it blinked me off the map?

[paper iron]

but also i m sure you ll get banned for cheating if u get 60% versa somehow

outlaw is different

it s a haste tax

[solar geode]

my vers is like 10% am i cooked?

[misty dome]

yeah that was my point, if they want him to gear both then he's practically gonna be gearing an alt because of their haste bp

[paper iron]

it s like, imagine playing sub but if u had less than x Stats u couldnt get 2 dances and 2 sectech every blades

[fallen crescent]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[hazy breach]

Very fun

[paper iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1347188346912243774/ShadowKEK.gif?ex=67caea6b&is=67c998eb&hm=00f1abafd5b5f9faf3ff8a37237546f7ea6d80bc4cdeacb12dd7c09eb7be7170&

[misty dome]

haha i literally just wrote that macro for myself

[paper iron]

dont step

[solar geode]

i wish there was an option for shadowstep to not fuck with your camera

[misty dome]

minus the /cqs line, what's that do?

[solar geode]

i would appreciate that alot

[paper iron]

it s not, dont add a stat tax to any class in the game it s awefull

[hazy breach]

Ye its unluck

[remote rapids]

Man, I love Sub in raid, always have, I can't make up my mind for M+ though it is legit one key sub, next key sin, sub, sin ... getting dizzy swapping so much

[misty dome]

haste is a bad stat, come at me

[true stone]

Thanks for the chat my dudes . Rogue most civilized class discord.

[misty dome]

at least how it's implemented

haste shouldn't affect gcd

(obv not for us)

[hazy breach]

Sub is fun though, i fucking love doing no damage outside of dance so i get to bang hard in cds

[misty dome]

@true stone sim yourself, read the pins, meme meme meme

[paper iron]

it is fun indeed

[remote rapids]

haha yeah I love it in raid, but man in M+ I feel like I should be napping half the dungeon

[swift tinsel]

Same, I'll take that tradeoff any day

[true stone]

Depends on the key imo. If there are only small pulls and no good prio targets then sin just cries when kb still up at the end of the pull

[paper iron]

i remember when blades were 3mn cd and didnt deal damage

[swift tinsel]

oofta

[misty dome]

sub either feels incredible in a dungeon or terrible

[swift tinsel]

dark days

[paper iron]

sub was just little burst every 30s

[misty dome]

like nothing feels worse than coming out of a dance and everything is at like 5% so you shouldn't reasonably dance again

but then that last 5% takes 30s so you should have

[true stone]

Sub in key is below healer damage outside of cds

[remote rapids]

I don't really run high keys and almost only pug, so pulls are always small

[swift tinsel]

and in cd's you're everyone's damage combined

[misty dome]

i'm still terrible at the sub rotato

i haven't done sub since s1 or 2 last expansion and my muscle memory is so f'd right now

you ever watch someone typing like a letter than they're hunt and pecking with 2 fingers?

that's how i feel on sub right now

[solar geode]

i keep accidentally pressing shadow blades because its on the same bind at ignore pain from when i played prot warrio last season 💔

[remote rapids]

prolly just keep swapping for sub, sort of feel like with tier and my life pugging keys will probably be sin, but 100% sub for raid

[misty dome]

yeah, exactly that kinda stuff

did sin close the gap? it felt like the buff was... trivial but, again, i haven't checked the latest intentionally

[true stone]

Sub is really just two buttons once you nail the opener

[misty dome]

but like outlaw and sub were both in the 2.5-2.6 range and sin was like 2.2

(millions for dps, units are important)

sin had some fundamental issues last season that made me kind of salty towards the spec

[solar geode]

one day i'll stop doing poo damage in raid

[misty dome]

like HEAVY reliance on being able to open from stealth, especially between iron wire and ds

sub not being able to open from stealth is annoying, on sin it was like "well so much for this pull"

[paper iron]

but elem, i had an elem peaking and maintening for few seconds 17m on details on first floodgate pull

[misty dome]

dang that's.... a lot

[paper iron]

and by few seconds i mean, 70% of the pack actually

[misty dome]

i can hit like 5m on my opener on the 5 training dummies

[hazy breach]

On big aoe sub doesnt do that much, esp in bl

[paper iron]

i m still struggling a bit on aoe out of dance, i m starting to figuring it out. Need to work on muscle memory now

[flint oar]

I fixed that today, should be included in the next add-on update.

[paper iron]

yea also lust and he said he procced like crazy so

[misty dome]

the energy starvation feeling out of dance is brutal though, outlaw pretty much doesn't have energy and sin has longer windows of button spamming

but... call me weird, i kind of missed that feeling, like i know we aren't "pooling" but... kind of?

[paper iron]

nah we re not pooling energy especially

we kinda pool ressources. Dances. Sectech. Getting our ruptures off

i like it a bit, and even in ST it feels good after pressing 10 buttons offgcd for a burst to chill a bit

me likey current sub

[humble fjord]

havent played since the big changes, are we just spam sending dance and symbols on cd

or do yall hold for a bit if you know sb is coming upo

[lucid jackal]

uh

[ornate heron]

have you guys had sucess in trying to sim 2+2 tier set?

or is old 4pc always simming higher for you guys?

i think im just dumb with raidbots

[lucid jackal]

what does that even mean

[ornate heron]

when i sim a set of gear that would give me 2 set of last season and 2 set of this season

it sims lower than just wearing last season 4 pc

[lucid jackal]

link?

[ornate heron]

but my new 2 set is hero track

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5H6tGG3vrAvgMzZwmpCT9x

does that work?

[bleak night]

2+2 is not very good

[bleak wind]

looks like you are only simming with 1 catalyst charge

[ornate heron]

oh okay ill redo it sorry

[paper iron]

yea i was about to say something bizarre it s never simming 2 new tier set together at all

Annsie too good

[stoic flower]

y'all holding onto your tier token til vault? I can technically token + catalyst a hero track for my 2pc but not sure that's worth it

[nova raft]

Really dumb question, but when you ideally pop potion, is it like assassination you use with an ability or just on pull?

[molten citrus]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[pure jay]

are the sims wrong regarding 2 set? Fuu's sim shows +7.3% but sims say not to break 4 piece for 2 old 2 new?

[vocal lantern]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[pure jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aKGJBKW5CevqmkPNqtswre

[swift tinsel]

fuu's sheet is percentages above the baseline, no-tier value

[pure jay]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

I think I understand what you're saying

[swift tinsel]

baseline is no s1 or s2 tier

[pure jay]

right

gotcha

[crystal rain]

any m+ trinkets alternative to transmitter?

[sharp kernel]

So whats the census so far, sub or sin for raid?

[pure jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/bis-gear#trinkets

[chrome palm]

i dont believe this works

[hexed dagger]

wait so we are backstabbing in dance again?

I thought that wasnt a thing

[swift tinsel]

its a more notable gain with s2 tier set

[hexed dagger]

sick

[ornate heron]

okay guys i re-simmed with 2 catalyst charges

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bGY7ym3Ve4ESdwAmoXAJFQ

[pure jay]

whys that?

[ornate heron]

its still saying keep my 4pc... even though my new pieces of gear are hero track

[errant tinsel]

4pc good

probably becomes sensible to upgrade with at least 2pc

[swift tinsel]

one of the new pieces you're simming is the same item level

and also

our two piece isn't that good

[pure jay]

sheeeeshhh 2.6mil??

[swift tinsel]

also, look at fuu's sheet for an idea of what you're losing by breaking s1 4pc

a lot more than you gain by getting new 2pc

[ornate heron]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate heron]

thank you

just for clarification what does two + four set mean?

[random comet]

It means counting both new tier bonuses

Combining them I should say

[ornate heron]

how would you wear 2 set of one tier and 4 set of another?

my math seems to not be mathing

[errant tinsel]

i think 2 + 4 set just means 4 set

[pure jay]

^

[errant tinsel]

but combining the effects of the 2set bonus with the additional effects of your 4set bonus

so the new 4set bonus is 10% gain above the 2set

[ornate heron]

gotcha, thank you. the wording was just a little confusing

[errant tinsel]

all good!

[ornate heron]

so the old + new two set. is about 5-6 percent weaker than the old 4 set

if im reading it correctly?

[fossil frost]

!SOD

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[errant tinsel]

it's about 1% weaker

8.4% for old 4pc, vs 7.3% for old and new 2pc

vs baseline

[celest night]

this doesnt account the ilvl
you should sim 2 old + 2 new with appropriate ilvl you have/drop

[errant tinsel]

^

point being, most likely to start replacing old tier pieces once you get at least the new 2set bonus at an appropriate ilvl upgrade

But also

[wicked urchin]

Would a 6000 vers heroic roulette wheel be better than the gallywix ring?

don't really have time to sim rn

[errant tinsel]

You're not gonna believe this

but it's gonna depend entirely on your characters stats

and the other gear that you have

[pure jay]

oh this is dungeon slice

[wicked urchin]

i'm aware of that

we're just handing out loot now and wanted an opinion

[random comet]

is that assuming same ilvl?

[wicked urchin]

yep

[random comet]

you know i could have scrolled up like 5 message for the answer

but ty anyway

[cedar eagle]

is vers flask or alchemical better for raid parsing?

[jade canopy]

is there any command for string input for raidbots crafted items?

[cedar eagle]

i saw guide says vers, but looking at top parses i see alot of alch chaos and my raidbot defaults to alch chaos

[paper iron]

[pure jay]

wtfff

[paper iron]

more

imexile is on drugs

[cedar eagle]

does he stream

[paper iron]

he does

[cedar eagle]

can you link im not sure what it is but id be down to peep

[paper iron]

imexile

[cedar eagle]

oh derp

[paper iron]

raider for liquid

[swift tinsel]

what abilities on gallywix should I set defensive notes for, any tips?

or just feint everything and chuckle

[wicked urchin]

new rogue got the heroic house of cards

i hate not doing loot council

[pure jay]

symbols prepull at 20 sec right?

[paper iron]

20+ ayee

mostly for supercharger, not so much for rotten i think, so just press it when u get rez

[sharp kernel]

Whered you find this? Link?

[swift tinsel]

wowhead guide

[paper iron]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#opener-st-opener

the explanation tab i just discovered 20mn ago, and i find it so smart

[cedar eagle]

i keep getting an issue where i get Coupe De Grace and the buff will not consume so it never goes off it just stays as a buff nonstop

looks like this the entire fight

[slim gale]

For the epic gem, does it matter to use different gem types or do you just send vers onxy

[quaint lodge]

Is it worth hitting BP inside of SD in order to get an unseen blade proc for cdg

[paper iron]

i m not 100% sure about what i m about to say, but i think that s an old random bug and to fix it u have to respec / reload i dont know. But i ve heard something like that before here

[lucid snow]

What is the downside to casting symbols more than once after res? seems to supercharge up to your whole bar?

Confused on that one.

[paper iron]

read again

when u pull the boss, it just reset u to 2 charges of supercharges

[lucid snow]

My bar shows its doing more than 2 but ok

OH

okay

Thanks

[paper iron]

Otherwise we would ask for 3mn prepull

my RL would be so happy (totally false i would get benched and never play again)

[willow pawn]

how do we sim M+ for sub

dungeon slice?

[cedar eagle]

you dont

[paper iron]

Dungeon slice is well supported on rogue usually

for gear / stats / blablabla

[molten citrus]

Ye

[west tide]

guys look

i got so lucky

[fair kelp]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[paper iron]

happy rogue happy me

[pure jay]

so close!

[fair kelp]

anyone got the macro to prevent ddouble pressing symbols

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[paper iron]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[idle pilot]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[tribal blade]

7 floodgate

not sure if this is good dps but goddamn feels good

[paper helm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure jay]

i need to figure out how im missing a couple hundred k compared to other rogues qq

[spice saffron]

Mind showing ur damage breakdown i want to compare mine

[lucid snow]

Tier set seems strong and needed to max out.

[tribal blade]

it's hard to compare with trickster sometimes because of pull sizes and the dungeon type

so nimble compared to bp will be all over the place

[pure jay]

they're using old 4pc

[naive zodiac]

wtf is this cherry picked right after i pop cds screenshots

[pure jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6byFacntKYCpkmH4?fight=22&type=damage-done mine vs top 100 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42?boss=3014&difficulty=4&class=Rogue

[paper iron]

Actually exile

both screen are at end of packs

just luckily the 2nd pull died at the end of your cds

well almost died, it was like 5% hp left

[naive zodiac]

never getting my m+ items no one needs fucking darkflame cleft

its over..

[paper iron]

u got this king

darkflame isnt that bad even

[pure jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wY29fkseFh98cYR5QwbS7d surely sims will eventually tell me to get rid of the everforged stabber

[foggy egret]

is a fullly upgraded heroic house of cards simming lower than transmitter for anyone else?

[lilac stag]

Mythic? Yes

[pliant citrus]

!cd

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[swift tinsel]

two eyes on our normal gally and its melting people's minds bc someone used their reserve on the normal

and a jastor

[pure jay]

SR in retail?

https://tenor.com/view/blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blast-brain-blast-gif-10140538268434764540

[lucid jackal]

@steel zinc wya bro

[wicked bear]

So is Gallywix bugged for rogues when using shadowstep? Seems like it will randomly pop you in center circle or outside the arena into the lava in phase 2

[lilac stag]

It’s every leap type ability

[remote rapids]

can't cloak the bombs sprocketmonger correct?

[midnight folio]

is it a dps loss to hold cds until im almost capped on all charges and sendng naked sec tec?

[lucid jackal]

what

[midnight folio]

assuming im not wasting a cast of blades and flag, is it a dps loss to sit on sod and dance charges for long periods of time

[lilac stag]

Yes. You messed up at some point.

[midnight folio]

no i mean like last rookerie boss

you just hold everything for flag between the shields

assuming you dont waste a sod or dance charge

even without the dmg amp from outside factors

[formal adder]

is it ever worth offhanding a non-dagger like the special gallywix weps?

[short radish]

no

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[lilac stag]

haven’t run rookery yet. General rule is have everything back up for go and you’re fine. If it’s going to impact that then hold.

[formal adder]

word thank you

[short radish]

no wokkas big man

[jaunty heath]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere egret]

anyone have a WA that shows when I need to Shiv something?

[short radish]

https://wago.io/H1sA8dgDm

[austere egret]

youre awesome

[short radish]

[random hare]

You always want to send dance symbols and sectech on pull, hold for amp phase after that ends

[midnight folio]

yeah i kinda just overcomplicated things in my head

[sturdy adder]

i just stepped off the map in p3 x.x

[wicked bear]

I feel you. I did that in the center area

[knotty cove]

ez

[willow pawn]

do we have a bad stat tier piece?

[remote rapids]

can you cloak and soak two bombs on sprocket?

[serene owl]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[serene owl]

!rotation

[young garnet]

Does anyone have a sick nasty Elvui setup that they recommend?

[twilit phoenix]

😦

not gonna get it bro

[tulip galleon]

are folks crafting or waiting? if so, is it a wep first? 😮 or biggest upgrade?

[wicked urchin]

crafting wep but waiting until tuesday i think

[tulip galleon]

nice, ok. ty!

[wicked urchin]

you're probably fine to rip it now but i'd be sad if i got a mythic dagger from my +10 this week

[unkempt basin]

Anyone else notice how broken shadowstep is on Gallywix?

[wicked urchin]

my guildy was complaining about it

[unkempt basin]

Seems to send you to the middle of the room despite the boss moving around

[knotty cove]

if you shadowstep to him right after he gets into his mech you get dropped off the board

[muted agate]

wrong ring bros :(

huhuhu

big mastery anyway

fuck that ring

[valid ocean]

send dagger and blast.

[slate lantern]

Yeah delete elvui

[slate lantern]

I believe in you bro

[twilit phoenix]

update: I didn't get it

[slate lantern]

Ah fuck

[twilit phoenix]

waddaya gonna do yknow

6/8H and 1/8M is chill tho

idk if we'll do extra days this weekend to push for aotc

i kinda just wanna key man

[slate lantern]

Yeah well fuck those guys

[slate lantern]

Not hands

[jaunty heath]

❤️

[tribal blade]

2 chested 9 floodgate

let's gooo

[jaunty heath]

such ez key ey

are we now taking debths with the new enchant buff?

[muted agate]

what buff

[jaunty heath]

dw im dumb

[random hare]

It’s good wdym for m+

Big mastery

Crit sometimes sims well too

[warped ferry]

How does sub use the junkmaestro mega magnet trink? Is it macro'd to anything? I was thinking of macro'ing it to st and forgetting about it

[rapid kelp]

Do we just alway send Symbols even we dont have a dance?

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[fair kelp]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[wicked urchin]

idk saving is more efficient

i like efficient

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked urchin]

is jpc playing again? or is he just helping with splits

im guessing just splits

[rich spade]

I am, is it bugged?

[lucid jackal]

?

[random comet]

sometimes when i have So Tricky selected, i don't get the 1hr duration

[rich spade]

It appears that I am not getting the 1hr buff

[random comet]

yep exactly this. just works as if it's not selected

[pure jay]

you still have to do the hit something within 30 secodns

[rich spade]

same here

[pure jay]

to trigger it

[lucid jackal]

press tricks, hit a target

all threat redirects for an hour

[random comet]

oh it only procs when you hit something? the things you know aye

[pure jay]

its still tricks, the threat redirect is just extended to an hour

[steel zinc]

You need to hit it

[random comet]

this would NEVER have happened if i'd read the tooltip

tsk

[lucid jackal]

U dont downplaying sub now mapko

[steel zinc]

If you don't and bodypyull u can die

[half comet]

is it real to do double dance between cooldowns with some mechs

or more real to just send a symbols sec tec

and 1 dnace

[steel zinc]

It's ok rn

Will see when everyone has tier

[lucid jackal]

Sub has one of the best tier sets..?

[steel zinc]

Yes agree

But rn it's very good

[muted agate]

i like this trinket

high uptime boi

purple drank lean

[steel zinc]

I am hunting since yesterday the knife

That's bis even compared to some hc trinkets

[tribal osprey]

does the new 4 pc tier just suck? top logs all old tier

i was 15 ilvls higher than someone with 4 set and still close for some reason

[jolly pasture]

Did they fix recrafting free upgrade thing?

[cunning elm]

Hey I couldnt find any info about crafting this week

Ok to go ahead and craft the 675?

[vital sage]

did all ya'll craft daggers

lol

[hoary lotus]

top logs 3 days into tier

LOL

[cunning elm]

I was thinking about crafting the 675 dagger but didnt wanna go ahead and do that if there was a better option

[vital sage]

I'm having the same thoughts

[lucid jackal]

lol

its currently the 3rd, or 4th day of tthe raid coming out

How many people do you think actually have 4 piece brother

[ornate heron]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

Yes

[tribal blade]

updated M+ tierlist

[twilit phoenix]

pumped for blizz to fuck it up in the .5 patch

[tribal blade]

we'll see what happens

if we survive the beginning of the season

they'll let us be

[twilit phoenix]

if they don't buff sub by one hundred gorillion percent

i don't wanna play

[tribal blade]

because they have a philosophy of not shooting anything too hard that's become established in the meta

[twilit phoenix]

feels like sub might fall off a bit once everyone else gets gear

[summer mica]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vital sage]

you think so?

[young mural]

agreed

[swift crest]

sub is a fraud spec i think

sims were wrong

[ashen terrace]

is the tier bug in sims or does it sim without it

shit is actually awful

[tepid trellis]

think both of the bugs are in the sims

[ashen terrace]

can see my stacks evaporate on every cast

[tepid trellis]

coup is yikes

very good chance it yoinks it

[twilit phoenix]

sub sims were always bad haha

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

What happened to our "broken" tier set

It's very small gain now

[swift crest]

it caused mass psychosis

[young mural]

rebalancing dawgsly

[west tide]

gally is awesome on heroic

this tier owns

sub felt good on the harder bosses forsure

[vale pine]

hard to say if its hotfixed, but it worked when i tried it

[bleak night]

wait new meta

spam detection while out of range of boss

[vale pine]

yes

[sudden breach]

are we supposed to play around coup de grace

and save for a supercharged symbols

[misty dome]

man i am having the most trouble getting two sectecs per dance

[young mural]

its 1 sec tech per dance

[tepid trellis]

no

only coup gameplay is potentially holding for flag windows, when flag is 20 sec or less

on cd

[sudden breach]

in m+, assuming no shadowblades, and 5-6 mobs

During symbols/dance - do you storm or shadowstrike? (no premed)

Would take 2x shadowstrike to reach 7 CP due to rng
or 1 storm for max cp?

[vale pine]

make sure to use your first secret asap during the first dance

wait 2 secrets per dance

you only have one per dance

two during blades/flagellation but in two dances

[stone robin]

how many SoD + Dance should i get between flags in single target?

[tepid trellis]

2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1

goes smthing like that

[brazen stone]

is this troll of fr? is sub best spec in keys?

[vale pine]

people love to make tier lists

wait for 2 or more weeks if you want to know whats good in keys

[sharp kernel]

2 piece 2 piece or 4 to 4?

[slender abyss]

How come my 4 set season 1 gear sims higher than new season 2 set gear both st and aoe ??

[sudden breach]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/43
wcl has sub at #1 atm

[rustic mortar]

Really Kinda Hard toll get hands on House of cards hc when trabsnitter hc is only a 10k dps diff while others getring 30-40k out of it

[slender abyss]

How come my 4 set season 1 gear sims higher than new season 2 set gear both st and aoe ??

[crystal oasis]

Its day 3 with low gear and low keys, any tier lists are irrelevant

[barren wolf]

it also is just the automatically generated tier list

from that one website

[vale pine]

okay

[slender abyss]

@vale pine i checked spread sheet and noticed u used crit heavy neck and crafted boots instead of doing that have u tried crafted neck versa mastery with crafted cloak ? Also there is versa mastery helmet instead of tiet set helmet u tried that one ?

Than tier set on hands ?

[vale pine]

hands have a lot of haste

we don't like haste

for the neck, the current setup sims slightly better

but you can absolutely go master/vers in the neck slot

[slender abyss]

Was planing to craft neck

After daggers

To fix stat issue

[vale pine]

ring or neck is a good slot

[slender abyss]

Having heavy crit is also not bar for trickster but still i belive versa mastery so much better

But on tier set u could sacrife some versa for damage u said it was minor right ?

[sullen heron]

hey guys,how is outlaw and sublety doing this season? thinking of gearing my rogue alt

[slender abyss]

Sub is pretty good

[short radish]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rapid kelp]

!plater

[willow pawn]

Most people don’t got tier yet. Some classes tiers are insane

[rapid kelp]

!plater

[willow pawn]

Probably will change soon

[vale pine]

i link the sim, because its something many people keep asking.
This is compared to the mastery/vers neck:
> Open Simulation <

so now i can every time somone asks point at this

as you see, the diffrence is very small

[slender abyss]

I would take the bottom one

Versa is not only damage

Also damage reduce and the damage diff is nothing

[vale pine]

the other neck is crit vers

but it has a bit less vers ofc

we def. have a lot of vers tho

[sullen heron]

does sub,face any downtime where you just dont have energy?

[bleak night]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[slender abyss]

24 versa really good !

Arter all sims have u checked diminish on stats

Maybe we could use some cursed enchants on rings

[sullen heron]

are the downtimes big? or are they short?

[silent ruin]

If coup de Grace is up, but sec tec is used first, then the free unseen blades no longer work subsequent to coup usage ?

[sharp kernel]

2 piece 2 piece or 4 to 4?

[vale pine]

the sim does consider dr

[sudden breach]

anyone know who streams sub rogue on liquids team

[mystic cloak]

imexile

[keen dome]

Huh, that +2 and +3 key change is neat

[sudden breach]

ty

[swift crest]

does the recraft weapon exploit work

similar to the ring one

[dim trail]

to sim sub it is good dng slice? or 8 target?

[sullen heron]

anyone?

[rough mirage]

“Use backstab during premeditation for an extra macabre” does it apply to both ST and AOE? Thanks

[vale pine]

dungeon slice is good

[fickle jacinth]

downtime depends on how good you are with Cooldowns, its pretty unforgiving if youo mess up a dance and dont get off all the evicertes to lower Dance

if you if do it all perfect its maybe 15-20 seconds of just backstab

before big burstr again

[quick crater]

is sub better than assa in raid?

[teal hemlock]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[rocky thorn]

you need to setup flag-shadowblades on keys or just sent it?

[languid finch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[slender abyss]

What do u mean ?

[rapid kelp]

!plater

[vale pine]

rings/weapons had a bug where a recraft would allow you to upgrade both slots, unsure if that was ever fixed

[sharp kernel]

Was not

[ashen terrace]

It was

[slender abyss]

Fixed or not

[ashen terrace]

Fixed for weapons at least

[tepid trellis]

no, it was fixed

[stable chasm]

Hello guys. On how many stacks u want to use Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet ?

[silent ruin]

That trinket is so bad

[stable chasm]

I know but for now i play with this trinket.

[random comet]

this still works with circlet hijinks

equip in both slots, remove gems, delete, get new circlet from guy on island, now your 2nd ring crest-free to 658

[crystal rain]

very off topic from rogue, but any of ya'll have this issue if you use SUF

the weird black shadow shit

[rocky thorn]

I am felling robbed, I just did a floodgate 9 and it didn't gave me any score

[tribal blade]

completed a 10

over time on a 10 priory but considering how insane that place is we did good

[midnight folio]

i wonder why everyone recommended going right coming from ptr

forgesmith is insane in pugs after 2d swirley everybody panics

tbh 70% reflect isnt bad

[tepid trellis]

[midnight folio]

and 1st boss then is just a dummy with pulsing aoe once in a while

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

[midnight folio]

guess judgement is hard on tank

[vestal escarp]

See you on wednesday sir

[tepid trellis]

About to do 4set keys in an hour

[tribal blade]

you enjoying sub being a banger spec right now stealthi

[tribal blade]

huuuuge

[tepid trellis]

Eh in keys not always we have a brew tank in the group so can’t really go that big or he just dies

So like cinderbrew is not that fun

[tribal blade]

ah yeah that's fair

[native zodiac]

[tribal blade]

i have a hard time in cinderbrew

that place is just awkward af

[tepid trellis]

But like in rookery I go off

[midnight folio]

ipa wing is for some god damn reason so overloaded compared to previous season

[tribal blade]

yeah rookery feels not too bad all except the 2nd boss

[tepid trellis]

We are targeting keys with plate head so my ret can get 4set

[native zodiac]

yeah same i ran about 15 priorys for the trinket

cba

[tribal blade]

i've mostly just been running guild keys, and most of my guildies are nowhere near able to do 10s yet

[native zodiac]

i just need a crit mastery belt and im done with m+ though

[tepid trellis]

10s are very free. Just go slowly pack by pack

[tribal blade]

i just got the 3/5 hero vers mast ring from priory which is big

[tepid trellis]

Timer is a non issue

[tribal blade]

oh no you don't understand most of my guildies haha

[native zodiac]

im realy surprsied by darklflame cleft though, that dungeon bangs honestly

[tribal blade]

btw do you have any tricks to maintain uptime on 2nd boss in rookery

or do you just eat the fact you get 1 less dance between cd sets

[tepid trellis]

just slightly shift dances, so they go inbetween jump and suck

you dont loose any cdr by shifting them when you dont overcap

[tepid trellis]

wanna see something unethical

[tribal blade]

mmm ok

[tepid trellis]

i might have lined stuff up on HC gally to absolutely smite adds

[native zodiac]

havent done gally sadly

rik reverb goes crazy aswell though

with our timers

i prob wont have 4set until reset sadly

[tepid trellis]

"whoops"

thats a 20 sec window xD

[native zodiac]

ye thats wild

[tepid trellis]

8 stacks on the tierset

and just go brrrrrrt

[vale pine]

haha, nice

[native zodiac]

sub just feels crazy good rn

[mortal bronze]

find weakness works for nimble flurry hits right?

[native zodiac]

alright time to grind keys for 8 hours again

[tepid trellis]

this is what we like to call a nice sectech cast

[haughty mural]

I wish I would have gotten vacation

[tepid trellis]

8mil clone crits

[native zodiac]

i hit a 21m sectech on that motherload boss

so like 63m in total

lmao

[vale pine]

nicuu

[jolly pasture]

Do you at all play around it?

[tepid trellis]

if im very close to bursting yes

if not, nah

[tranquil sage]

hey stabbers, quick question - do we replace the old 2set asap now or only with hc/myth track pieces in favor of 4set?

[rustic geyser]

you're gona wana do a cheeky sim to work it out, but in all likelihood you're waiting for 4 set

[keen dome]

That's a big burst

geez

[quaint lodge]

When you're doing double shadow dance, you ended up doing a shadow dance in the middle

Like 2-1-2-1

why do we not CB in the 1
After looking at logs, it seems to be up for the 1 in between

[spice saffron]

do you guys think letting others kill you in the theatre of boss pvp boss is the play? without sending dance its really slow to kill someone doesn't seem worth it. rather just use my spare dances on the banner

[quaint lodge]

log im looking at for example

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CY63T78amHfPbF9w?fight=68&type=casts&source=30&view=events

nvm upon writing out everything i wrote, i am wrong

carry on

its not up i lied

[tribal blade]

you need to press CB directly on cd so it's back up for your next cd set

so if you time your dance+sectec so it casts CB with sectec exactly on cd then it's good

but it's safer to just hold CB for cd sets only

[quaint lodge]

Yea

If you check CD sets u can see that they send CB at 17 seconds
Then send it again 109 seconds

So Ig u can send a CB in between, but you'd be sending it on an eviscerate

Wonder if therers min max u can do about having it there directly with coup de grac

[tribal blade]

yeah you can literally press CB as it comes back up between cd sets

and just CB whatever your next global is

[quaint lodge]

Yea

Ty ty

[tribal blade]

it's very minor though, i wouldn't worry too much about doing it

[quaint lodge]

Yea just trying to get my sub gameplay to the same lvl as my assa gameplay

Where I can yap about it in detail

[tribal blade]

fair enough!

just remember it's way worse to mess that up and not having CB for your next cd set

[quaint lodge]

yea

feels like sub m+ is not good to learn raid sub

Feels like im pickibng up bad habits cuz u have to send damage sometimes

[tribal blade]

it's pretty much the same thing

[hazy breach]

Yes, its just 10% dmg from winning anyway

[quaint lodge]

Yea, just sometimes u have to be a bit more careful about cds to time things together

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[quaint lodge]

Cant enter certain dmg phases with nothing

[tribal blade]

yeah an encounter by encounter basis of cd usage

i literally just unequipped my 2nd embel slot because it's only -0.1% dps for a hero track cape

and gain more stam

[vale pine]

embellishments are overall low impact

can go for dps

[small spade]

is it storm bp or ss bp at 7+ when dancing?

[tepid trellis]

strike

[modest river]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

you only wanna storm ones in dance as trickster (to apply FW to everything)

[vestal escarp]

Pop dance
Win duel
Come back up
Look at the banner

[tepid trellis]

personally if its a person that has been annoying during the day

im gonna stun lock them and just stare at them

[hazy breach]

When me and the fire mage gets sent down

Somebody has to grief their cd

[robust dust]

fellow sub gamers, can anyone explain me that backstab after dance/symbols in opener or is this a missplay?

[vestal escarp]

Happened twice with mage

[hazy breach]

Otherwise we sit there for literally 20 seconds

[vestal escarp]

He was hard casting fireballs

[tepid trellis]

small optimization to backstab in dance with premeditation up

[vestal escarp]

Against my 25% vers ass

I yelled at him to press buttons

[robust dust]

ah for extra dm stack?

[vestal escarp]

And he clicked meteor

[tepid trellis]

yup

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

Theater of fun

[plush crescent]

is tricks bugged?

[shy scarab]

Wasnt there a macro for this that it backstabs as first and then ss?

[tepid trellis]

imma need the game to bless me with a ring ty

[haughty mural]

ritual POG band

[vale pine]

rings you should get

[native zodiac]

i need a 655 ring man

[tepid trellis]

just go do the circlet trick

free upgrade

em

[native zodiac]

i could

[novel plaza]

anyone know if this is correct for AOE in the icyveins guide, the wowhead guide dont mention using backstab as CP builder during SD

[tepid trellis]

its fairly new

[autumn flame]

What y'all crafting?

[jaunty umbra]

didn't they fix the circlet bug

[vale pine]

thats a new optimization i haven't had time to add to the guide (but will soon)

[novel plaza]

alrighty thanks

[open coral]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[gritty knot]

Did they? Anyone know?

[tidal marsh]

They did not

[clever delta]

I was trying out 2p2p and that shit is dps loss

[short radish]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[clever delta]

Is the tier bug from ptr fixed ?

[hoary sun]

The circlet bug?

[wooden hare]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[grim inlet]

is the recraft thing working on daggers? like the ring trick?

[native hawk]

no

[clever delta]

Is the tier set bonus bug reason that it sim like shit or it's not in sims?

[vale pine]

2p is juts not good thats why it sims bad

[tribal blade]

i just got the priory ring from a 10 🙂

[clever delta]

I mean 4p

4p is so small gain

[haughty mural]

4p is 11%

bot got gutted HARD

[clever delta]

Nan

Man

I mi got heroic 4p

And it was like 100k

[haughty mural]

gratz

[clever delta]

Dagger was 130k or what

[barren wolf]

bruh 11% is still a strong 4pc

[haughty mural]

i know

i didnt say its so small

[clever delta]

I get less from full 4p on heroic than fuckjng dagger

[haughty mural]

but nice @

[barren wolf]

huh?

[clever delta]

Meanwhile hunters sending 300k aims

Sims

[sly shore]

I have 2p and I can't equip it until I get 4p 😄

[clever delta]

Yeah I'm telling you

Sub tier is shit now

[tribal blade]

same dude

[sly shore]

it's a 40k loss at the same ilvl for 2p

but it is what it is

I 100% have 4p after farming some keys anyway

[tribal blade]

it kinda makes sense that the sub 2pc is garbage because it has no dance protection

[clever delta]

We went from broken set to dumper set

[tribal blade]

so it's just perma dropping

[sly shore]

the set is still good as long as you have 4p

[barren wolf]

what are you smoking

[sly shore]

it's one of the higher % increasing sets

it's really good

[tribal blade]

it's def still a good set

i think it just feels bad to people because it went from what, 25-30% to 11%

[clever delta]

It was 100k flat for me meanwhile hunters send 300k almost

[sly shore]

rogue is just baseline worse

hunters tier is bugged

[barren wolf]

buddy stop comparing to outliers

holy moly

[sly shore]

it's reducing beastial wrath by 3s instead of 0.3s

😄