subtlety

[vestal escarp]

Queen?

[steep raven]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[crisp pond]

how big is the difference between lens and ascendence / dawnthread?

[sonic hamlet]

is there like a certain ilvl we want to break set bonus at or just break as soon as you get a higher ilvl piece?

[alpine pollen]

is sub in m+ viable again?

[crisp pond]

break when u got (old)2+(new)2 set and again when u get new 4 set

[gentle temple]

Do we keep using bp in ST to hold coup de grace until cds?

[sonic hamlet]

oki doki

[lilac stag]

Siren Isle drops

[vestal escarp]

Ok i get it

[shrewd lantern]

Always was

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[crystal rain]

do I press Shadowblades with Sectec now then?

[paper blaze]

whats best gems in ring storm , fathom and skippers?

[vale pine]

if only there was an "explenation" tab or a "optimization" section on the guide ^^

but i keep you the search

you use blades later because of premediation

premeditation gives full combo points

delaying blades one gcd is to not wasting premeditation

[crisp pond]

fuu are u free to answer a question?

[vale pine]

sure just shoot it

[crisp pond]

how big difference is it between lens and ascension for embelishments for sub?

rough estimates is enough :)

[vale pine]

not big

[hazy breach]

practically nothing

[hexed sluice]

Fuck it going Siphoning Stilletto

[crisp pond]

thanks both of yall <3

[hazy breach]

All embellishments suck

[vale pine]

embellishments are almost no impact, so can go both

lense sims marginal better

and you use it on low impact slots

because of the lower item levels

[crisp pond]

yeah seems like i will multi spec so i dont want to "waste" a craft

but yeah will just go asc than ig

[placid tendon]

saw you talk about backstab in shadow blades earlier, is there an explanation for that somewhere?

is it just this, cus it looked like more than 0,5% in the sims earlier

[shrewd lantern]

Oh that's back?

pain

[vale pine]

the 1.3 is for aoe, different optimization

[shrewd lantern]

im guessing prem made it worth outside blades

because it was only worth hitting during blades in prior seasons due to low combo gen from bs

[manic ivy]

hi bois, stupid question

wym with 2+4 tierset?

[placid tendon]

is that cause flurried backstab does more dmg than shuriken storm in aoe, if you are gaining the same amount of combo points?

[shrewd lantern]

It's probably for the danse stack.

backstab does jackshit for damage

[vale pine]

basically more a fall threw optimization

basically blades being slightly delayed

means there can be a one second left on blades

where it would use storm and not backstab, backstab would be better during that because of inev

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

so by using backstab this few times, you get more symbols uptime overall leading to a slight increase in dps

it happens like 2-3 times in 5 minuts

[alpine wraith]

yea you can delay blades and symbols a bit and still get DM value etc etc

not a huge win but quite neat

[placid tendon]

alright, thanks. Seems more like a thing to use if i get wierd cd timings in m+ or i make a mistake

[hoary coyote]

Yo have a quick question

Is mythic transmitter trinket better than normal house of cards?

[vale pine]

yes

[hazy breach]

Its better/similar to heroic

[hoary coyote]

So only mythic house of card is better?

[lilac stag]

Mmhm

[vale pine]

rule of thumbs:

• Heroic Transmitter will 100% be replaced by heroic house of cards
• Mythic Transmitter will 100% be replaced by mythic house, is close enough to heroic to consider replacing it already

keep in mind no transmitter = no painful minigame

also can easy macro cards to shadowblades

[lilac stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1346500256401199164/image.png?ex=67c86995&is=67c71815&hm=14484165f7705e76967ee97de987f42abafb66b647a184dae804985d3a5b10c2&

[hoary coyote]

Thanks a lot

[alpine wraith]

mythic transmitter is the same as fully upgraded hc house of cards

[lilac stag]

It’s slightly better

[alpine wraith]

yea a bit

so we cant escape the tranmitter pog

[hoary coyote]

Thats painfull

[west tide]

mid fight how do we proc premed again

[hazy breach]

Dance

[ruby bear]

what happened to skipper citrine? cant find info

[paper iron]

so, bye rotten welcome back finality

[half comet]

after first cds you get 2 dances

after 2nd cds you get 1 dance

right

does it go back to 2 on the 3rd cd set or

[fathom gazelle]

where is assa dsclice , thats racist

[viscid garnet]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[fierce cedar]

cb+st my beloved

[swift crest]

sub feels so bad in keys

[strange chasm]

Ret I think is insane rn

Haven't figured out if sub/sin is better yet in keys

[swift crest]

sin feels better until you get to a boss

[fierce cedar]

is it fine to use dance with shadowstrikes?

idk i feel like a monster in keys

except when i have downtime...

[thick temple]

what are the weekly lockouts for loot? is it one drop per dungeon per week?

[jaunty heath]

for m0?

m0 is weekly

m+ theres no lockout

[thick temple]

oh word

[fierce cedar]

there is no loot cap

just lockout on m0 thats about it

[strange chasm]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[distant plinth]

You're never supposed to rapture during a dance right?

Rupture

[steel zinc]

You never

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/rapture-rapture-me-now-lord-gif-12763495

[subtle zodiac]

sorry if this has been asked but when your dance has ended but you still have symbols going do you wait for that symbols to end before doing another dance/symbols or do you just send it

[proven plover]

The 2 and 4 set bonus xd

Both bonuses of the set

[lucid jackal]

probably

[carmine rune]

Question guys, best spec for the raid currently?

[lucid jackal]

its been less than 24 hours

[twilit phoenix]

Meta is changing hourly

[proven plover]

Thats why he said currently

[manic ivy]

oh so basically 4p

kk ty!

[jaunty heath]

Pls tell me Gallywix can’t parry

[lilac stag]

can’t party if trickster

[jaunty heath]

Fuck me that is true

We good

Well everyone is good because of us apparently unless that got fixed in the last 24h

[lilac stag]

Everyone else gets parried we rise on details.

[swift tinsel]

worth crafting a 658 dagger or wait for 675 you think

[slate lantern]

in your cd window you send the next SD asap

[subtle zodiac]

alrighty ty!

[paper iron]

it s been the first time doing keys as sub since i played ol / sin only in m+ first season. Holy heck first dance is cool but it messes up so much my brain

[upbeat sorrel]

!fuu

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[lucid jackal]

Yo sub is OP

[jaunty heath]

Cant wait to catch nerfs for a stupid first boss

[hexed dagger]

pumping in keys lowkey

[jaunty heath]

Blizzard would never do that tho

Right

[fathom gazelle]

we dropping the rottent talent for finality ?

im asking about st and aoe

[fair edge]

so, how much are you guys dying to the shadowstep bug in Galliwyx?

[remote rapids]

been a long time since I've played sub in keys, taking some getting used to that is for sure. After opener, then you want to spread your ruptures?

[fathom gazelle]

for aoe 7 targets . and inside big cds do u always storm? or only once? and inside normal SD' s u do the same? and if ur out of cds do u spam storm into bps?

[proven plover]

Why did lil bro use symbols there? was it too low on energy for the stab? If i would be in the same situation i would probably feel the need to hold it for dance in order to fit in sectec + potentially a Coup in the supercharged cps

[honest grail]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[jaunty heath]

„Lil bro“ probably hit symbols to get secret tech cd back with supercharger

[proven plover]

🤔

[jaunty heath]

It’s hard to tell with a screenshot of a random timeline and not all buffs schown

Shown*

[swift tinsel]

if that iteration had sectech with =<10sec left on its cd you can symbols evisc to pull it

[proven plover]

I see it makes sense

[swift tinsel]

would be my guess

[proven plover]

Ty

[west tide]

its just that easy folks

[thorny condor]

is it ever worth holding sec tech in ur dance if u have a few secs on cold blood cd?

[midnight geyser]

dont hold

i think

that cdr is worth it

[tropic parrot]

Fuck it I'm one of you now

[dusty pagoda]

!fuu

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[dusty totem]

Don't have it on cd tho is bad for dps

[strange chasm]

do a key with ret

they are gapping us rn

[granite river]

is the most recent transmitter nerf in sims ?

[paper surge]

if you got mythic 4 set from last season, when do we swap to season 2 tier?

[near obsidian]

bro beat the drink sub is broken

[paper surge]

heroic?

or asap?

[twin quartz]

Have you guys looked at the ulria sheet (latest post on wowhead) that compares tier set value yet? The values on the ulria sheet appear very different from the fuu sheet where it says (for example) assa 4p is numerically better than 2p+2p

[bright sundial]

hey guys sry to bother yall but looking through wowhead guide for bis items and saw that we use Semi-Charmed Amulet but i thought we hate haste?

[next fjord]

Is it worth dropping two piece for item level upgrades if it's only a 13k DPS loss?

[hybrid prism]

THAT FEEL WHEN YOU ROLL 99 ON THE HOUSE OF CARDS WEEK 1

CYA TRANSMITTER

YA BITCHHHH

[gloomy slate]

@vale pine r we not doing cringe BP st with trickster anymore?

[brittle echo]

how do you see abilities used in this way? im guessing you are looking at logs of people?

[proven plover]

No it was a sim iteration

[tepid trellis]

its just a quick sim

then that stuff is shown below

[modest delta]

is priory goingn to be second bis outside of house of cards?>

actually i should definitely check wowhead prolly

[paper surge]

did transmitter take a nurf?

[modest delta]

whut how is signet c tier

is it not bascially house of cards

[paper iron]

2mn cd kinda lame nah?

[tepid trellis]

2min trinket on a 1min30 class

Not great

[modest delta]

ii c

[gloomy slate]

exile playing sin on splits

[modest delta]

surely better than my 616 TT XD

[midnight geyser]

do i want one of each?

which one do i put on the 658 ring

[tepid trellis]

Probably not better

[deft oar]

whats the % difference between cold blood macro and sending it on second

[tepid trellis]

Bit over 1%

[deft oar]

i see, ty

[tepid trellis]

Sim yo self bucko

[midnight geyser]

fuck da sim

im boutta be getting mad bitches with all the loot that finna drop tonight trust

[modest delta]

is it just impossible to upgrade s1 gear now?

[midnight geyser]

(im wiping in the first 30 seconds)

[midnight geyser]

yes\

[modest delta]

thats so laame

[steel sierra]

Showing a 665 Cards trinket siming lower than my 639 nerubar trinkets, this just a bug I would imagine?

[tepid trellis]

If it’s transmitter

No

[steel sierra]

Transmitter and contract

[tepid trellis]

Yep then it’s correct

[steel sierra]

Neat

[tepid trellis]

House needs to be hc upgraded

For it to be very slightly better

[soft stump]

do i actually need vers? cuz my assassination set has none lol

[dusty pagoda]

is there any wa that shows you how many targets are you in combat with?

[tepid trellis]

Vers do be good

[tranquil garden]

if you wanna do damage it helps

if you don't care about damage then no

[soft stump]

so then dont try the swap til i have more vers got it lol

[tepid trellis]

Stats won’t really wildly swing the dmg unless you have a ton of haste on sub

[strange chasm]

The trinkets this tier are very bad unfortunately

[tranquil garden]

having bad trinkets is great...don't have to pray for a drop you compete with 10 other ppl with in order to do damage

[steel sierra]

The issue I see with bad trinkets is that other classes gain an additional 3-4 percent while we stay stagnant

[tepid trellis]

almost all classes wants house

so its kind of a moot point

only ranged casters wants something else

[sand ore]

someone show my mom

[supple moon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[midnight geyser]

awhat do we do with cd's on vexie

[short radish]

why are you cding yourself?

[dusty totem]

We start next season with no key right?

[midnight geyser]

wym

[short radish]

you are vex

also check wc logs

but i'd assume we hodl

for the burst

which seems to be at 2min

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

ty

so i hold my second

[short radish]

thats my plan

(i havent done the fight yet)

[midnight geyser]

i cant

takes 24 hours to udpate irrc at beginning of the tier

[torn storm]

is it still worth to not spend tier stacks?

for like 25 sec on flag

[calm stone]

is there any good subrogue guides out there for rotation etc? Im mostly interested in m+, havent been playing sub for a long while but I like it

[swift tinsel]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[calm stone]

thanks, should have clarified tho if there was any good videoguides

[acoustic lodge]

wow, i got a myth eyeglass :/

[fallen fable]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[wicked urchin]

Is there a reason why cold blood wont go off before sectech in my macro?

[tepid trellis]

it aint on your stealth bar?

[hybrid prism]

#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

this is my macro

works every time

should i be a dweeb and macro all my offensives together since i got house of cards lmao

[wicked urchin]

That's mine too

And it's on my stealth bar

[hybrid prism]

samesies

[wicked urchin]

Ohhhh I think I'm dumb

It's probably just casting and then my WA doesn't show it on CD until after

[tidal copper]

Should I be using Symbols when I get rezzed every time?

is there a WA to remind me? idk if you can track the empowered CP some other way

[swift tinsel]

https://wago.io/1N-_8fnRf I threw this together quick the other night, might work for what you want

[hybrid prism]

yeah it goes on cd when you use the 100% crit ability

[tidal copper]

beautiful

[fiery iron]

anyone have a mob coutner WA?

[swift tinsel]

might need to mess with load conditions since it shows up if you're out of combat in a raid with no charged cp

if it gets annoying

[tidal copper]

thank you

[fiery iron]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[wide ravine]

why do we use secret technique first in shadow dance with dance macabre>

[fiery iron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[tepid trellis]

hero talents

and to some degree cdr on sectech

[vagrant sinew]

dont you have keys in 5h

go sleep

[west tide]

in st when do we shuriken storm

[swift tinsel]

never

[midnight geyser]

we hold our second set of cds on stix right

bewcausye he goes up on overdrive

[crystal rain]

Rik is a very good sub fight lol, the ads spawn pretty much every sectech

[rotund obsidian]

On avg, how often do you cast sectech?

[deft oar]

my escalating blade is stuck at 4, anyone else

[midnight geyser]

yeah

just pulled second on meters with shit ilvl and no bis gear from last season

[crystal rain]

granted not alot of logs, but holding rank 1 in heroic

kinda a big deal on day 1

[midnight geyser]

im not the best at sub either

outlaw? fuck ye

sub im still fugring out

[crystal rain]

outlaw is gas

[midnight geyser]

my peak was 47th overall in aberrus

[midnight geyser]

yeahg thats fuckin nice

[humble jolt]

!fuu

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[midnight geyser]

i found i was holding my second set of big cd's

for after he comes back down

or i foudn that better

[sleek garden]

didnt you used to be able to macro shadowstrike into dance?

dance isnt on the gcd, but it doesnt let me use shadowstrike for a sec while the stealth bar is swapping, so it effectively hits a gcd

[tranquil garden]

literally every piece of gear I've gotten from a t8 delve now, including the weekly heroic piece, has had haste. game wants me to play assassin

[tepid trellis]

bro i fucking tried

i went to bed at 10pm

woke up at 12

like the fuck

[vagrant sinew]

ur cooked

[tepid trellis]

not much i can do about it really

[slim gale]

Anyone know for this Junkmaestro Mega Magnet how fast you get stacks? Do we just send it on CD or does it have to wait to line up with stuff

[frigid dragon]

!fuu

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[swift tinsel]

takes a bit over 2mins to stack iirc

[spice monolith]

Same boat

Fyfan

[cedar moss]

Just that easy

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-ra-curse-of-ra-gif-10622361558915339590

[west tide]

!fuu

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[muted agate]

PURPLE DRANK?

[honest saddle]

welp I got rank 1 gallywix normal

Im a god boys

[twilit phoenix]

what kind of keys are you guys doing rn

[honest saddle]

chain 7s

cap crests

then do 10s for vault is my plan

[twilit phoenix]

haven't had a chance to key yet

how are 7s feeling

[honest saddle]

medium difficulty

about like doing a 10 last season in max gear

[torn storm]

we want 2pc 2pc ?

[honest saddle]

maybe easier

we didnt know route, or know mechanics and we timed all our 7s

and we arent m+ gods

just decent

[twilit phoenix]

oh word that's chill as hell

gonna key it up tomorrow

[honest saddle]

have fun!

[spark tusk]

Oh nice, good idea

[twilit phoenix]

💋

[tribal blade]

not really feeling the nerfs tbh, i'm blasting in keys right now

granted i've only done a few with guildies who aren't doing great dps

sub still feeling strong af

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm loving it so far

some of the dungeons feel a lil rough but sub's been a party

[tribal blade]

oh shit are we using backstab in dance again

[midnight geyser]

could of been #1 with better ilvl

rip

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't worry too much about 1st week logs

[midnight geyser]

yeah

its fun compeititon tho

big numbers are nice as long as u be doinfg mechanics

[ornate heron]

Do you ever send naked secret tec in m+?

Or do you always dance?

[silent ruin]

Yes

[tribal blade]

can do

[midnight geyser]

i send it with sod sometimes

[tribal blade]

so long as it's back up for your next cd set

[ornate heron]

Kk tyty

[midnight geyser]

do we use coldbrew outside of burst windows

[swift tinsel]

I just went with a generic layout for it, I might tweak the conditions so it isn't bothersome when doing stuff between bosses

but the real flex is changing flag icon to sepsis

[plush roost]

!fuu

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[midnight geyser]

why lord

[random comet]

anyone else having issues with So Tricky not working in the hero tree?

[rain swallow]

do you just spread ruptures in AOE while the tank is still pulling before popping Flaggelation?

The guide on Icyveins says pop flag then you can rupture max twice if mobs are not gathered up yet. But on Wowhead you pop Flagg after the ruptures

[hexed dagger]

we out here

[pure jay]

i passed on dagger to my guilds other rogue cause i kinda want outlaw to be the mythic prog spec

[valid flame]

what causes your coup to bug and just never proc the entire fight?

[hybrid prism]

user error tbh

less cool hero spec

one of those are the only reason that would happen

[tribal blade]

hm i feel like i i still have the RS bug

[spice matrix]

!fuu

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[swift tinsel]

@tribal blade I'm comin for ya

[valid flame]

So no clue what causes Coup to just not proc and sit on 4 stacks?

[strange chasm]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[foggy egret]

is wow head guide accurate for an advanced guide for sub?

[willow pawn]

what are the BiS gems for leggo ring ST?

[foggy egret]

dont see anything in the pins for opener etc

[rain swallow]

wowhead and icyveins have the same opener/burst in single target but differ a little bit in AOE

[foggy egret]

are they accurate?

[rain swallow]

Think wowhead is 'better' due to much more detailed explanation

i hope bro i switched a week ago from outlaw

the explanation tabs is really helpfull especially explaining the spreading rupture part before using flag

shoutout to fuu

[swift tinsel]

Lol double Rix dagger drop

[deft star]

Are we liking cloak boots for crafted?

[twilit phoenix]

could have*

🤓

[hoary lotus]

am I fucked cause I don't have transmitter

(:

[short radish]

no just get house of cards

[hybrid prism]

I got mine today lol

if anyone is wondering, yes it feels so fun to play without it

[swift tinsel]

man sub feels great in raid

[hybrid prism]

big true

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade ezgame?

[dense coyote]

so did sims show outlaw was doing more or sub ?

[tribal blade]

noice!

[molten citrus]

It doesn’t matter

[molten citrus]

Ye

[jaunty heath]

How come house of cards sims low

is it broken

[steel zinc]

It's been this way for idk like 4 years now

Outlaw needs sustained uptime and has to much rng and not much burst

You need a damage profile with highs and lows

[molten citrus]

if you have transmitter, that's why

[rocky ocean]

because humongous agility was op
and dr'ed mastery sucks

[molten citrus]

transmitter is still very strong

[muted agate]

bro

[valid flame]

Is there a bug with coup where it sits on 4 stacks and never casts?

[muted agate]

i've been ganked by underpin twice today

TURBO DRAIN

[late briar]

i love shadow stepping on gally and being put in narnia instead of on the boss

[turbid depot]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[ruby sonnet]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[ruby sonnet]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[tulip quarry]

is it like consensus that sub is best spec for m+ this tier or is too early to tell? (obviously ignoring future balance)

[next pulsar]

!Fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[slate lantern]

it will definitely be one of the specs for rogue this season

[pure jay]

has anyone else noticed the import string for sub ST sim does not match whats in the simulation from Fuu's spreadsheet?

[clear trail]

What do I do when I have shadow dance + sec tec up but I have coup de grace up? Do I send the evis for the extra stacks of flawless form, then shadow dance and sec tec or just kinda ignore it and use it after the sec tec? Its happened a few times to me and not 100% sure what to do since im new af to the spec

[jaunty heath]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[sick jackal]

When is the reset for eu?

[sour chasm]

Already happened 45 minutes ago

[tribal blade]

wtf i shadowstepped gallywix and it put me over the edge

HUHHHHHHH

[sick jackal]

Patch is live on eu already?

I am late

[lilac stag]

Usually happens with lag, or spamming evicerate (or both)

[narrow night]

yes

[steel zinc]

Wdym?

Like in the exact middle of the room and what phase?

[keen dome]

Gallywix has anti rogue technology to put rogues in the bin

[hexed dagger]

its that easy

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[pure jay]

has anyone else noticed the import string for sub ST sim does not match whats in the simulation from Fuu's spreadsheet?

[steel zinc]

The new backstab tech is nice

[steel zinc]

Wdym?

[pure jay]

what tech?

[steel zinc]

Like what import string

[steel zinc]

Bs when in dance when premeditated is up

You need to have your simc set to latest

[tribal blade]

i was safely on the platform

can't remember exactly when, not enough time to look at logs

[steel zinc]

https://www.twitch.tv/shiftcase/clip/MoralGrossJackalCeilingCat-sySzoRMQUkpTZqXw

This?

[tribal blade]

yeah pretty much taht haha

[full wyvern]

Yeah same exact thing happened to me

[tribal blade]

can't remember if he was moving

[steel zinc]

Peak boss design

Gotta step then friends

[pure jay]

this doesn't = this

[swift tinsel]

is that the 1/2 finality build

[pure jay]

its the ST sim from fuu's spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

is the difference that the spreadsheet build has 1/2 finality

bc that's from an earlier build but might be better again

[pure jay]

i think the import string just never got updated

[steel zinc]

So no rotten but fianlity?

[tribal blade]

rotten better for all situations

[steel zinc]

I mean depending on aoe some finality stuff might be better

[tribal blade]

but you spread FW with rotten

[swift tinsel]

no rotten might be better with bs danse stuff but its getting ironed out

that was just found out today

[tribal blade]

rotten is guaranteed FW on all targets in aoe

who knows

[steel zinc]

Yes true but in mass aoe

[swift tinsel]

check tc sub thread

[steel zinc]

Cinderbrew

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not so amazing in lower target counts

[pure jay]

the point I was making is fuu's sheet has 2 different specs for the same row, not ST vs AoE

[steel zinc]

You can also play dark brew

Like aoe stuff isn't done yet

[pure jay]

not talking about AoE at all

[steel zinc]

Same with st

Nothing changed much

We are taliking % here

1

Like your time is better spent studying bosses if your a raider or just doing m+

[pure jay]

its just something fuu needs to fix on their spreadsheet

[upbeat sorrel]

got a curio, head is the right play for first piece?

[steel zinc]

You wait

Really don't

[upbeat sorrel]

[steel zinc]

Wait a vault next week anybody even if you don't split should have 4p next week

[upbeat sorrel]

true good point

[steel zinc]

If you int curio tokens this week you are screwed for weeks

[crystal blaze]

i feel squishy in keys

[steel zinc]

You are playing +10 with 25 itemlevel then intended

So yeah that's normal

[crystal blaze]

rookery felt comfy, theater of pain and the first 2 bosses of meadery were miserable

[swift tinsel]

meadery is a slog for sure

[upbeat sorrel]

theater was always awful in SL

[swift tinsel]

I actually don't find ToP to be that bad

[crystal blaze]

yeah i wasnt looking forward to running it again

[swift tinsel]

felt like one of the easier dungeons

[upbeat sorrel]

ToP was my switch to outlaw dungeon back then

[swift tinsel]

haven't done priory or dfc yet

but I've heard priory is miserable

[round latch]

idk,ToP was fun,but might be the stockholm syndrome talking from me

also might be the fact that we done like 500 times

[swift tinsel]

I'll be there until I get the ring

had a mastery/haste roulette wheel drop tonight

[round latch]

everyone will fam

[oblique grove]

Im gonna freak out of I have to fight the candle king again (Im permanently freaking out)

[round latch]

ever tried not freaking out?

just sayin'

[digital zodiac]

Anyone got a winning streak weakaura

[wild hornet]

How does cold blood at the 2nd sectec even yield higher damage over the first one?

[molten citrus]

flag stacks

[sudden bone]

How many seconds on cd for second charge of shadow dance do we need to be at to have it up during flag/blades?

[round drum]

I am dog at this spec but it's so fun

[wild hornet]

Relatable

[round drum]

I have accepted the dps losses into my heart (macro sectech + cb) as I learn

but I got a button ready for cb when I get there

[round latch]

u will be destroying everyone soon

its a learning process

dw

[solemn lance]

I like ToP for one reason. You get to smash one of your buddies and stun lock him

[round latch]

Its very fun,ppl actually try to fight until the kidneyshot lands and die

then rage

[west tide]

guys idk wtf im doin but got r1 on lockenstock heroic if u check the timeline it will be 100% mistakes

[clever delta]

Logs show another assa tier, gg nice to see you

[hexed dagger]

they pumping?

[honest saddle]

assassination and sub are doing very well.

it's really good to see that kind of diversity

[dapper stirrup]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[honest saddle]

@alpine wraith would you be willing to break this down into a video?

Use :Backstab: during premeditation in :ShadowDance: for an extra danse macabre stack. (worth ~0.5% dps)

or mention it in your next video. I don't really understand when and how this would work

[swift tinsel]

you'd have a backstab bind off of your stealth bar and hit that as your first builder in dance

[alpine wraith]

that is likely to be on the min max part of the long video

[digital aspen]

back to stabbing in dance? ew

[swift tinsel]

Felt so awkward to do tonight bc my old danse-backstab bind is now my naked Sectech bind

Sub was feeling quite nice in raid though, haven’t got to gallywix yet

[alpine wraith]

i never got rid of it kinda

my off bar backstab is at 2 sec tech at 3

[swift tinsel]

Ah, I went for R so now I have it at F1 which is my situational/flex bind

[twilit phoenix]

you doing heroic?

[swift tinsel]

But I wanna mix it up

[swift tinsel]

Not yet, we’re doing normal today for tier and I think Thursday we start heroic

[twilit phoenix]

based

[swift tinsel]

Got through mugzee bc our RL went a bit longer on some explanations

[twilit phoenix]

wasn't on my rogue for tonight's normal clear, but we'll run that shit back tomorrow

[swift tinsel]

And people kept getting fucking murdered in the streets by the driveby cars lol

[twilit phoenix]

hahaha yeah the cars are funny af

raid looks so sick for real though

[swift tinsel]

Ended up crafting a 658 dagger with the runed crests from pre-raid keys and got a Rix dagger so I’m decent for a bit

No tier though, there’s fucking 8 people on our token

[twilit phoenix]

i got a little shit ass 645 dagger

[swift tinsel]

So I’m 99% sure I’m getting all my pieces from vault

[twilit phoenix]

was thinking of just banking my crests until I get enough gilded to send a 675 dagger

[swift tinsel]

I sent it on the 658 bc I know I won’t see 7’s or gilded crests until probably next week

Keys were kinda rough today

But I was doing 6mil sustained on the first bosses in ToP so that felt good lol

It’ll be better in a few days/weeks when routes and mechanics get better

[molten citrus]

lies and slander

[lilac stag]

im sure it wont last. bunkjunker

was happy we got 4 down on heroic tonight

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, nice

[clever delta]

Yover

[lilac stag]

You’re a madlad if you’re gonna try pugging this week

[keen dome]

Gotta.

[lilac stag]

[keen dome]

Going to clear normal today and see how far I get on Heroic.

[terse dirge]

same lol ill enjoy my top 10s until eu raids and destroys me lmao

[keen dome]

Honestly I think it'll be fine until Stix. Stix looks painful

[clever delta]

We raid tommrow, easy parses:P

[terse dirge]

yeah it took us almost 8 mins

long ass fight

[lilac stag]

Stir was fun, a challenge at current gear. It’s not a long fight if you do it correctly.

8:10 was enrage I think.

6mins is doable with actually running balls proper

[terse dirge]

ig but its literally night 1 lol

[keen dome]

Neat

[terse dirge]

ppl have no idea what they are doing it will get faster when we get gear anyways

[lilac stag]

There’s already 6 min parses up night 1

[keen dome]

ye

[terse dirge]

not my guild haha

[keen dome]

I'm excited to see the pug tactics

[lilac stag]

Pain

watching people run into crabs

[keen dome]

I'm gonna invent some

[terse dirge]

wish we could upgrade trinkets from s1 still i got a myth transmitter on the vault after the season ended lmao

[spare quiver]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

or continueing to run over small patches so other balls struggle to grow. Or trying to hit the bomb with a med ball.

mythic gonna be wild

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

Tomorrow we delve

Or today I guess

[keen dome]

I'm planning on blasting normal. Then either key sor heroic pugging.

[lilac stag]

Just realized it’s 1230

[keen dome]

lmao, this S2 delve intro quest

[lilac stag]

is amazing

[keen dome]

Blizz, when they get the joke, are good at the joke

[wild hornet]

holy fuck i need to reroll

i died 4 times in a +4

[clever delta]

Got treasure map for my 8 bountiful delve, can see something good happen:))

[keen dome]

Nice

[hexed sluice]

I got a hero track helm from my map

[jolly pasture]

Soo anyone see which rogue spec is ahead in raid currently?

Sub tier?

[hexed sluice]

Its always a sub tier if you are a gamer

[vale pine]

we can, but its rly low impact

[strange chasm]

I think all 3 are pretty similar right now tbh

specs that is.

[rain ingot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[celest mulch]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[lilac stag]

It’s heroic. It doesn’t matter

[vale pine]

the BP trick was never rly gone but always low impact or no impact

so you can for the last like ~20 secounds before flag/blades

use BP instead of evis if coup is up

the impact is extremely low, with ~0.2% dps

so thats rly the definition of min/max for the sake of it

[ornate heron]

!fuu

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[umbral topaz]

do anyone have a WA that counts nearby targets (for when to BP etc)?

[molten citrus]

#subtlety message

[pure jay]

Please fix your spreadsheet king 🫡

[vale pine]

what is broken?

[molten citrus]

i believe he's referring to the talent loadout string not matching the sim's talents

[vale pine]

which one

could be that i made a copy/paste issue

[molten citrus]

not sure

i can't even copy the import strings

[vale pine]

dark mode has the problem

oh, talent strings in dark mode did get cut off

maybe he ment that

fixed

[molten citrus]

idk

the loadouts and sims look the same as far as i can tell

idk what he was talking about

just remember seeing it mentioned earlier

[vale pine]

works for me tho

[molten citrus]

#subtlety message

yeah idk what he was on about

they look fine to me

[vale pine]

i copy/pasted all import strings again

so should be all fine, just for anyone giving feedback. Always state the problem so it is easier for me to fix, i am online a lot but not 100% of the time and can't dig through 2h old conversations to know the topic.

[alpine wraith]

damn nice boots

first bountiful

and for everyone you can also just dm so it does not get lost in transit

although if you ahve 20 like me rn might take a bit to reply too LUL

[rain ingot]

!FUU

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[vale pine]

not bad

[keen dome]

Dumb loot minmax question that I think I know the answer too but need smarter brains: is it best to push Delves to 8 again via non-bountiful, and then do the bountiful on 8?

[jaunty umbra]

yes

[alpine wraith]

yea just do fungal folly or tak rethan

to 8

[keen dome]

heroes, thanks for confimring my thought

[jaunty umbra]

heard the new excavation site delve is pretty fast too

[keen dome]

Got some time to kill before my raid buddies turn up so gonna blast Delves to 8 and despair at Branntank

A branntankin' new day

[vale pine]

what fungal folly play is today

if its a good one, can easy speedrun the dungeon

[sharp kernel]

Anyone have a list of what can be cloak/ evasioned? (Mostly for keys)

Raid would be cool to have on there too

[molten citrus]

don't think anyone upkeeps a list like that anymore

[sharp kernel]

:(

[agile osprey]

!fuu

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[alpine wraith]

fungal folly for eu it is the decay shrooms

but thx to stealth and blind + sap it is fast

did it in like 3 mins or lower

also damn engi helmet replaces already

[tulip badger]

World boss neck crt+vers, wow telling me swap to outlaw :S

[alpine wraith]

ok nevermind fungal folly

the sluice one is omega faste

[keen dome]

Nice

[serene owl]

do you use shadow dance just on CD for normal rotation?

[molten citrus]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[tulip badger]

Best delve for speedruning?

[vale pine]

i did a 11 fungel folly in ~4 minutes

last patch

ofc depends on the paly

hacha mentioned sluice one to be fast

[bleak night]

the sinkhole delve is pretty fast too

[tulip badger]

Which one is sluice? Dont have game in english

[keen dome]

The one in Undermine

[tulip badger]

With the shroom improvement is the one i was doing, so much better

[keen dome]

The current fungal on EU is the decaying mushrooms which they massively made better

Took me about 5 minutes

[tulip badger]

The one on the left of the hotel?

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tulip badger]

The one on top is the new zekvir?

[vale pine]

the spores are bis, you can sap some enemies and only need to fight very little to finish the dungeon

[oblique grove]

Is deathstalker still better with consistent pulls of 2 morbillion mobs

[wild hornet]

do we craft the dagger week 1 or wait for next weeks vault?

[vale pine]

dagger week 1

worse case you get a dagger week 2 and put the dagger with embellishment in offhand

if you want to get the highest power level week 2

you would not craft at all and see what slot offers the best upgrade next week

[wild hornet]

so default is week 1 and if i want to minmax week 2

[vale pine]

yes

embellishments are low in impact, makes the item level early on the biggest contributor

and weapon is the biggest upgrade you can get

(slot with the highest dps gain)

[wild hornet]

well if i have at least 6 rows of vault should i even worry about a dagger

since i have 6/6 hc daggers from s1

and some other worse armor pieces

let me run a quick sim

[vale pine]

you can run drop optimizer to see

[wild hornet]

oh yeah that was a thing

completely forgot abt it

[paper iron]

Fuu realquick please 🥺 Do i got to press my 2 sectech during CDs on 1 dance with the first dance talented?

This is real clunky to me

[vale pine]

possible, but likely in your 2nd dance

[paper iron]

i press it only if the clones will hit during the dance right? Otherwise i just hold for 2nd dance early during CDs still

[jade canopy]

!fuu

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[minor aurora]

have you guys seen the hotfixes?

[vale pine]

which one

[west tide]

guys i understand the combo i t just hasnt quite connected to me when im supposed to use my shadow dances and symbols in between the big cds quite fully yet hehe ❤️

[vale pine]

👍

[uncut juniper]

Does Sub has stats requirements to be playable like outlaw?

[vale pine]

you don't want haste

you want mostly vers and mastery

there are no requirements

crit is not terrible

[uncut juniper]

cool beans

Time to learning sub again

[minor aurora]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-hotfixes-for-march-4th-season-2-class-tuning-and-quest-bugfixes-375582

[uncut juniper]

last time I play sub was shadowlands season 2

[minor aurora]

I’m assuming it has been seen already, but a guildie linked it to me so I’ve just seen it

[uncut juniper]

[vale pine]

my pin went over these chanegs already, and the sheet is also with thenerfs

(2nd pin)

[minor aurora]

Ah, alright sounds good.

Just saw that now, my bad

idk why they’d nerf sub again, it was decent last season no? Not even fully meta?

[vale pine]

all fine, discord makes it difficult to see/find the pins

the nerf was a bit weird

[minor aurora]

and assa gets buffed, just gonna make finding groups harder as sub lmao

[vale pine]

but sub still seems to me like the best rogue spec for now

for raid that is, can't say much about m+ yet

[minor aurora]

Right, kinda hoping it’s best for M+ too tbh

[vale pine]

but i would say m+ too, survival is a good strength to have and sub is quite tanky

[paper iron]

m+ is kinda weird cuz even if we played sin in majority last season, we kinda found out that finally sub was maybe better

cuz of the ST

[minor aurora]

Okay, sounds good

odd nerf imo, but not much else to do but live with it and pump regardless

[vale pine]

sin still has good priority damage with more targets

and you can trade off aoe for single target

[paper iron]

that is true. Didnt really play last season for once i was on a hate relation with wow, but i dont think there was many giga pulls. And worst case enhance was doing the prio damage i guess. Anyway old times, time to focus on new season

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144971853144789034/1346770489858592798/image.png?ex=67c96542&is=67c813c2&hm=9ee74800f3b33b370b894eb22c7913b2adba9ccfb96ef131d70f803a70c88d72&

and i finally got a transmitter

never too late

[oblique grove]

😏

[void ocean]

what was that thing about backstab after premed, i cant find that in a guide

[rain ingot]

!fuu

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[uncut juniper]

What is ur ilevel rn?

[molten citrus]

pins

[void ocean]

daaamn, it wasnt there when i first read it 😄

I think...

[oblique grove]

639

[rain kernel]

I farmed 1600 conquest points…i see a neck, ring with vers mastery on champion track..is it worth getting it for pve..or is there a vers mastery neck ring in m+/ raid?…was gonna pick up the crit and on use 1 min Cd trinket since i got no transmitter.

[crystal rain]

Anyone else hate using transmitter? The freakin orb tilts me if i misplace it

[vale pine]

tl;dr it is a small gain to backstab first builder in dance, worth ~0.5% dps, less without new 4p

[vale pine]

heroic house of cards is a good replacement

[void ocean]

Im ilvl 623 going into the new raid, Im gonna need every inch to beat the tanks 😄

[crystal rain]

yea, praying i get it tomorrow, guild got bricked at bandit today on heroic lol

gonna get on my hands and knees just to replace this transmitter.

[bleak night]

my guild never played katamari demacy

and it shows

[vale pine]

so you say they are trash at being trash?

[random hare]

lovely

i get bis head and bis trinket on season 2 start

sheeeesh

[long swallow]

!fuu

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[vale pine]

congrats, you used up your luck for season 2

[keen dome]

The game won't stop giving me haste gear.

[haughty mural]

oh cmon .. thats one optimization i did not miss

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[haughty mural]

what was the macro again ?
Dont have it anymore - thought it was gone for good

[willow aurora]

2p+2p better than old 4p?

[mint swift]

Can’t you just sim it to see

[haughty mural]

#showtooltip /cast [stance:0] shadow dance /cast Backstab

should still work right ?

[sly shore]

yes

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

@vale pine like I said. Outlaw

Necro was outlaw.

[stiff stirrup]

does nimble flurry hit targets behind us as well?

[tepid trellis]

yes

its an AoE around you

[haughty mural]

are you surprised `?

[clever delta]

I'm kinda

[lilac stag]

Spec is clearly dead

anyways. How is EU going?

[vale pine]

lol

[molten citrus]

Kush making sub look decent ig

Heric bosses

[clever delta]

Mythic first boss

Kinda gap

400k dps on 3rd one

[lilac stag]

The sub way!

[haughty mural]

first boss dmg amp

burst spec good

[lilac stag]

ye

[haughty mural]

sub good burst

must be op

another nerf plx

[sly shore]

This dps does NOT align with my 5m patchwerk sim!!!

[mint swift]

GRRRRR

:(

[haughty mural]

are you telling me 5m patchwerk sims are not exactly how every raid encounter works ?????

me cant trust robot anymore

[lilac stag]

Nukkz must have secret sauce that TCs aren’t sharing with us peons.

[elder pebble]

GUYS!? what spec is best for season 2? m+ and raid?

[mint swift]

No

Noooo

[elder pebble]

I have been away, and heard rumours about sub being deadge

[mint swift]

No way

[molten citrus]

🔮

[lilac stag]

Outlaw

[clever delta]

Tbh outlaw look good

[elder pebble]

Reroll time then i guess 🙂 Not playing outlaw ever

[molten citrus]

This guys gonna believe you scath

[alpine wraith]

yea man outlaw looks fire

[lilac stag]

Well outlaw rerolls a lot

[alpine wraith]

yea remember to check out athem

[elder pebble]

Im sensing some text sarcasm here

[molten citrus]

No one knows what’s looking best

[haughty mural]

[mint swift]

Actually true
Outlaw is a reroll angle a lot, both inside and outside its rotation

[mint swift]

Yea, people come in here and ask as if the meta is solved in like a few days

Even if it was balance changes are a thing

[lilac stag]

I’ve said it looks good from ptr. The outlaw homies are a bunch of ers

I just don’t enjoy it

[haughty mural]

i hope you were sarcastic too

[lilac stag]

Purely data wise. Heroic don’t mean a lot. First mythic boss is a dmg amp boss so sub fun. Keys who knows. The real content, delves, all three are S tier.

[haughty mural]

finally someone spitting 📠

[mint swift]

Damage sub bosses on sub feel good

For the dps meter at least

[mint swift]

Tbh did delves this morning , they are acc p fun

The opening quest this season was fun too. Brann being Brann

[haughty mural]

im so mad

[alpine wraith]

big delvers in chat

[haughty mural]

but i'm glad you guys are enjoying it

[lilac stag]

This morning is delve time

I’m pumped.

[haughty mural]

season starts today and everything goes downhill at work
another season start i fall behind

[lilac stag]

you’re fine

[mint swift]

Yesssss

I did some before going to uni

Hyped to do some more when I get home

The undermine quest from the paladin lady (completely forgot her name, is it faelin?) was like 5 min to complete

So easy coffer key

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural all you really need to get done is craft a mythic weapon

[mint swift]

And the titan disk was easy with the density of rares in undermine

I like the undermine delve too

[mint swift]

I feel you

[haughty mural]

if i get really unlucky i've got no time to farm gilded crests

ill probaby miss first raid tonight aswell

[alpine wraith]

im at work now so zzzzzzz

[mint swift]

Just play wow at work

Not like you’d get fired or anything

[alpine wraith]

oh im at home but i had some work to do since the morning but i kinda did some delves etc

no i have to finish things before i can play again

[mint swift]

Ah ok

Yea same

I was so close to skiving today but like

I have 5 assignments or so

I need to do them X)

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[haughty mural]

im washed anyway

[lilac stag]

Just like rogue! See you’re fine.

[wise crescent]

How hard is sub to pick up? I've played a ton of outlaw in DF. No idea what sub does but might try it out 😮

[minor aurora]

big burst

[lilac stag]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[lilac stag]

It can be rather challenging and overwhelming while learning.

[minor aurora]

sub is amazing imo (only spec I’ve played)

[wise crescent]

outlaw took a long while to learn . kinda intimidated to go agane

went and played havoc and it was easy as hell

[lilac stag]

your individual experience may vary on how hard you think it is.

if you try it and enjoy it, take the time to learn it. If not play something else.

[minor aurora]

yup, thankfully I was looking for a big burst spec and picked sub so it worked out for me

[alpine wraith]

yea sub has big burst

[wise crescent]

[vivid plover]

question about rupture, unless I'm going into a pull without cds do I need to worry about spreading it in m+?

[alpine wraith]

now i wonder how much dps i will lose going full monkey mastery mode

[alpine wraith]

just cast it once or twice at most while tank gathers

[vivid plover]

alright cool, ty

[alpine wraith]

if pull survives long enough you will have time to refresh

[mint swift]

Dots in a burst spec

[honest grail]

About to say fuck it and craft a 675 dagger

Someone stop me

[haughty mural]

why would we ?

[mint swift]

“About to do something good”
Someone stop me

[haughty mural]

yea my thoughts

[mint swift]

Guys On my way to cure cancer
Just TRY and stop me

[honest grail]

😭

!fuu

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[mint swift]

Sorry if it was rude I’m just so tired

[honest grail]

It's no worries friend

[paper iron]

in aoe 7+ blablabla blackpowder rule, do we spend coup de grace or nah we stick to bp?

[hollow spear]

Spend coup

[paper iron]

cheers

really like what became sub, not a 2 buttons spams and the removal of dust

[plush roost]

Is sub not still just 2 button spam tho

[sly shore]

NO

[plush roost]

Strike/stab + evis

[sly shore]

oops caps

not as black and white as that anymore

[plush roost]

Idk feels easier than dust ever did thats for sure

[haughty mural]

Outlaw propaganda

[plush roost]

I dont main outlaw i just like KiR

Hehe i just play rogue

[haughty mural]

Don’t mind me

[plush roost]

Im minding you and theres nothing you can do about it :^)

[haughty mural]

Im just mad and should probably close discord and put my phone away for a while

[plush roost]

No stay mad, channel that into house cleaning

Thats what i do

[brisk onyx]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[paper iron]

dust wasnt even hard, just boring to preplan everything 10 mn ahead

[neon pendant]

Hey guys, there is something I don't understand in the wowhead guide, it says to the opener less than 7 targets, you basically don't use Black powder, but later on the guide in the rotation it says that weither in or out of shadow dance, I should press black powder as a finisher with 2 or more thargets

Any idea on how to clear my confusion ?

[paper flame]

!craft

[tiny sierra]

!sheet

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[vale pine]

you don't use black powder below that target count, correct

[neon pendant]

So I ignore the fact that it says to use it on 2 or more afterwards correct ?

[tiny sierra]

but shouldn't evisc be better until we have like 6 targets?

[vale pine]

where does it say to use BP on 2+ targets

[neon pendant]

Oh I think I found out why

I'm currently Deathstalker

[jade urchin]

deathstalker

ye

[vale pine]

😓 haha good news, i thought i fucked up somewhere

[tiny sierra]

i've been seeing ppl pressing BP at least 1 time on packs

even tho evisc is better

does it make any sense?

[alpine wraith]

depends on target count

[neon pendant]

All good my bad sorry :p

[tiny sierra]

they just like press it once, then back to evisc

[vale pine]

could be marginally better on 6 targets, but in general not better

[tiny sierra]

i see

i thought i was missing some talent or something like that

[jade urchin]

need weakaura to count targets for me my brain is fried

[tiny sierra]

or a debuff

[tiny sierra]

same

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural have a good day bub.

[paper flame]

is there any reason not to craft 1h dagger this week

[vale pine]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

[vale crane]

are you all playing DS oder Trickster?

[lilac stag]

You never touch

[jade urchin]

lmao

[vale crane]

Thats what i wanted to hear

[vale pine]

trickster

[vale pine]

if you want to min/max week 2 power level

[paper flame]

is this considered week 2?

[vale pine]

this is considered week 1 of raiding

but a lot of guilds (my one including) won't start mythic before next week or the week after

you can, if you want take this as oppotunity to see wait for raids, m+, delves and vault to increase your power level