subtlety

[barren gulch]

I guess that depends on your ilvl

[hazy breach]

If you have access to gilded crests first craft should almost certainly be a dagger

[shadow lance]

That's what I thought, press snd or just open with Eviscerate/rupture

[twilit phoenix]

leather raid BOE is vers/mast

[tranquil garden]

Oh damn, this isn't spark week? Rip

Was all prepped to crank out a s*** ton of crafts

[honest basin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shadow lance]

Wait, this is not?

[ivory sorrel]

Are video guides from S1 still applicable for the most part ?

[tranquil garden]

Oh I think I'm wrong and I misread above

[hazy breach]

As long as theyre from after the .5 patch yes

[lilac stag]

It’s a spark week

[ivory sorrel]

Oh so anything that is

11.7

[lilac stag]

You collect 1/2 for a quest and get 2 parts to make the spark

[median nacelle]

when is it ok to refresh rupture?

[hazy breach]

Yes, the rotation is still the same

Its 11.0.7, but ye

[ivory sorrel]

Any YouTubers you guys recommend ?

[shadow lance]

Pandemic, outside cd

[hazy breach]

When it has less than 9 seconds left or right before/right after flagellation

[long marlin]

is there a general consensus about replacing 4 pc s1. Is it ok to drop for way higher item level gear

or is the 4pc s1 that good that we wait till 2 pc s2

[hazy breach]

New 2p not good

Until you get 4p

[median nacelle]

any1 know how to get numbers to show when only 1 or 2 charges of symbols is on cd?

[median nacelle]

ty

[vale pine]

thats a big E

[median nacelle]

lol idk why it got fked

[still anvil]

you'd probably want to set up conditions for that?

[vale pine]

ye, 2p is kinda terrible now

F

[raw wadi]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[tranquil garden]

Which numbers? You can use conditions or custom code or whatever

[median nacelle]

my UI is way smaller, just picture got magnified

[median nacelle]

not on default UI? it's default atm

the number in middle

[tranquil garden]

Oh okay. I thought you were asking about week auras

[median nacelle]

i want to know if safe to send cds basically

no sir, ty tho

[swift tinsel]

if its not a WA idk if you can without some weird workaround

[median nacelle]

ya

probably need an addon or wa

[tranquil garden]

The ability to modify what is shown in your action bars in the default UI is quite limited. I would be surprised if you could do what you were asking

You can turn off the number in the swipe, or turn it on, but there's no conditional on or off like you're asking for

[sly shore]

omnicd might add the numbers

[swift tinsel]

even on default bars?

[sly shore]

possibly

[median nacelle]

il try omnicd

ty

[median nacelle]

ya

[swift tinsel]

huh, guess I've never really messed with it outside party cd's and whatnot

[sly shore]

there's a setting somewhere in there to apply cd numbers

[swift tinsel]

ah true, it messes with plater debuffs sometimes

[sly shore]

there is even a tickbox in weakauras to turn them off

[swift tinsel]

yeah that part too

[sly shore]

well, overwrite them

[dusty pagoda]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sly shore]

I always use text in WA cos it's better

[median nacelle]

@sly shore omnicd on curseforge... is it the masque: omnicd?

[swift tinsel]

same, very customizable too

[sly shore]

omnicd

[swift tinsel]

with conditions and all that

[sly shore]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/omnicd

[median nacelle]

ah party cooldown tracker

gotchya

[sly shore]

in fact

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/omni-cc

It's this one

[median nacelle]

lol ty

[tranquil garden]

The masque one just lets you skin it.

[sly shore]

yeah masque is a plague on wow

same as elvui

[tranquil garden]

If you don't know what masque is, ignore it.

[sly shore]

but even worse than masque is addonskins

holy fuck that thing is a cancer that infects all your savedvariables

[tranquil garden]

I know about elvui and the exploits, but what did masque do

[sly shore]

addons like that inject themselves into savedvariables of other addons

to ensure they load before those addons

[tranquil garden]

What's wrong with that? Without blizzard implementing a partial ordering, I don't think there's a way around that

[sly shore]

It can cause all kinds of compatability issues

as well as throw out lua errors

because lua is very left to right top to bottom

suddenly you get the "x action has failed because of y addon"

and more often than not that is caused by something like that

[tranquil garden]

The ideal all would probably be libace Add-On skinning functionality I guess

Since most stuff already uses libace

[sly shore]

Would be much better if it was a lib rather than injecting itself into other addons saved variables for sure

but that was also require the other addons to implement it's functionality

so no winning

[median nacelle]

@sly shore the omnicc works well, ty for help

[sly shore]

🙂

np

[median nacelle]

just have to get used to it and the yellow turning numbers when close to off cd aswell xd

but it's way better than having to mouseover lol

[sly shore]

can probably customise it

[median nacelle]

ouuuf

sounds like work

but maybe later xd

didn't know it universally changed all numbers on wa's too and stuff, but idm iguess

[shadow lance]

Why not using wa?

[median nacelle]

idk, just used to this iguess

and i like making my own wa's but im just slow and shit at it

[shadow lance]

Taking a day personalising your wa, after that you feel so good

[median nacelle]

ya

[swift tinsel]

me, taking multiple days per week to personalize weakauras

[raw wadi]

@vale pine one question... did you sim catalyst back + crafted bracer/cloak?
Isnt this option looking better for us?

[sly shore]

Idk hwo many hours I've spent on wa

it's a lot

[swift tinsel]

Same

[shadow lance]

Same

[hollow spear]

I think hours are the wrong unit at this point

[spark tusk]

[sly shore]

[swift tinsel]

but the level of things I'm able to accomplish with them by basically teaching myself everything I know, I'm very proud of

[shadow lance]

And at first, was using afenar stuff, just modifying it every patch for each spec

Same for plater

Really proud of it tbh

[hollow spear]

Absolutely! When I start understanding a spec better, I make changes to the WA. Then I understand some finer detail and makes changes again. So on and so forth.

[swift tinsel]

once I learned how to add custom trigger loading conditions I feel like my ability to make them skyrocketed

[hollow spear]

Sometimes it feels like you have played with your glasses off for months after you made some changes to your UI haha

[vale pine]

i did compare back/bracers/neck/dagger and they are all close

if you find a upgrade to the profile let me know tho

[swift tinsel]

if I had any idea how to script with lua I know I'd spend an insane amount of time making auras

[shadow lance]

I would take lesson of it

[spark tusk]

If you know how to script with any lang you can do lua

[swift tinsel]

I don't lmao

[spark tusk]

it's very similar to python

[swift tinsel]

I have zero coding or programming experience

[raw wadi]

aye ill take a look later. because BoE Boots also insane.
I guess the avaiable Necks are bad af

[shadow lance]

Time to learn Python then

[spark tusk]

and honestly c# as well, you can implement a lot of stuff with lua

it's extremely flexible

[hollow spear]

I think I might ruin my life if I started doing that

[swift tinsel]

literally everything I know about custom code or editing I've learned from either here or the WA discord

[alpine pollen]

!aw

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[spark tusk]

AW

[swift tinsel]

might try to learn basics once work slows down a bit and I have more time

[raw wadi]

@vale pine

[hollow spear]

I still struggle with the glow stuff

[swift tinsel]

glows are very handy but I use them sparingly

[hollow spear]

do you really have to set that as baseline and then turn it off in your conditions?

[spark tusk]

Some of my older custom stuff have a bunch of patterns I did while still learning

but my newer stuff I try to have a very consistent pattern and structure

so you can look at those if you want some examples

[swift tinsel]

I'm a fan of having separate text auras that I anchor to icons and have a bunch of conditions and color coding for the numbers

[spark tusk]

Why separate auras and not just text elements?

[swift tinsel]

do you have any in particular I should look at?

[hollow spear]

I want a glow that tells me when all of the cooldowns are good enough to yoink flag haha

I still catch myself sending flag early sometimes

[vocal narwhal]

Hello, how will subtelty do compared to other classes in high keys this season, and heroic raids?

[hollow spear]

great

[spark tusk]

Maybe unseen blade

[swift tinsel]

I've found with my understanding its easier for me to have it be separate since it makes setup easier for me to work with

[shadow lance]

We'll see during the tier

[spark tusk]

But it's always a process of learning, I'm still improving my structures and making my auras like classes which has helped a ton

[swift tinsel]

is there a way to have a text element be a diff frame strata than the icon?

[vocal narwhal]

okey, i tried to find some sims, but it doesnt look like there's anything for mythic + yet

[swift tinsel]

I think that's actually why I started doing it in the first place now that I think about it

there were weird overlaps with certain things iirc when I was working on an interface way back when

[shadow lance]

There were some tuning recently + tuning incoming. So we won't be able to know yet

[spark tusk]

Not that I know of, but there's a checkbox in groups called use flat frame levels, which I had to use for some of mine

[shadow lance]

Especially for high keys

[spark tusk]

to solve layering issues

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think 99% of the ones I have are just Inherited

[vocal narwhal]

okey thanks! Do you think more nerfs?

[swift tinsel]

which I should look at

[spark tusk]

almost all auras should be inherited

very rarely does it make sense to change it but it can

[shadow lance]

Buff for outlaw and sin I guess, nerf/buff for others classes

[spark tusk]

I can't log in to look at my stuff D:

bnet queue

[vocal narwhal]

okey thanks! do you reccomend any safe choices?

[swift tinsel]

ah, yeah I can't log in either bc maintenance lol

[tranquil garden]

One thing you might want to add to your pack lisonna, I'm doing this on top of yours underneath the refund counter, nearby targets counter for black powder

[shadow lance]

I would go sub cuz I can easily go back to sin if sin is broken shit.

[tranquil garden]

So I guess maybe some people just glow black powder when you want to send it instead of eviscerate, I kind of like having the numbers.

[vale pine]

[shadow lance]

But sin is boring. Just did my first season as sin, already fed up

[vocal narwhal]

okey thanks!!

[swift tinsel]

isn't a target counter more cpu heavy

[shadow lance]

I got a shit for it

[spark tusk]

Though now that I'm thinking about it, the Flag cd charges aura is probably better to start with UB I think is a good advanced example as it does a lot of advanced things. Flag cd has more basic concepts that it uses that are probably easier to parse as a first pass.

[shadow lance]

Can't remember where

[swift tinsel]

Thanks! I'll try and take a look once servers are back up

[tranquil garden]

Fuu has one on huego

Wago

[fathom gazelle]

11.1 is live yet?

[shadow lance]

But I got a target counter that isn't that heavy

[fathom gazelle]

on na

[slate lantern]

actually yes, s2 isnt live yet

[tranquil garden]

It said wago at first and then immediately Auto corrected itself. Text dictation on Android is a little funny.

[shadow lance]

Maybe it's Fuu's one

[tranquil garden]

Also the random caps you see me occasionally have in messages

[spark tusk]

Yeah I'm probably not going to do this. There are others around, but for units nearby you have nameplates, and personally I think training your eyes onto your weakauras when judging information about the field limits your vision scope

You're free to use one of course, but I don't like the practice personally

[tranquil garden]

Fair enough! And lucky for me. There's a good empty spot in your pack that I can plop it down

[small epoch]

Sound based weak auras are also good for this

[spark tusk]

[hollow spear]

haha

[spark tusk]

pings and bloops every time enemy comes into or out of range

beep boop

[small epoch]

Get a couple sounds for things you don’t hit as often as you need to, make sure they’re unique sounds to that you’ll never miss the ability again

[shadow lance]

Isn't a bit hard to judge number of nameplates?

[small epoch]

Oh

I misunderstood the wa you were wanting LOL

[tranquil garden]

Finding a good sound is truly a tough decision. I was pretty happy with the Foghorn on cooldowns though.

[shadow lance]

I mean, first NW pack is fcking messy

[spark tusk]

Knowing the difference between 3 and 4? Nah. 6 and 7? maybe a bit

[shadow lance]

For exemple

[spark tusk]

but

[swift tinsel]

someone said they use a sound whenever they hit 6+ combo points

[spark tusk]

do you need to know the difference between 13 and 14?

[keen dome]

Wilhelm scream

[spark tusk]

why does it matter?

[small epoch]

Big fan of the sonar one since it’s never used for anything and it’s pretty short and distinct

[swift tinsel]

that would drive me fucking insane

[spark tusk]

if you look at your screen and you see "yup that's a fuckton of nameplates"

then you know what to do

you don't need to know what "fuckton" quantitatively means

Also if you do the 6+ rules at 5

it doesn't like demolish your dps

it's fine

[shadow lance]

I use it more to know the number of target in range of SS or FoK

[distant plinth]

do we ever refresh rupture during a flag burst or we completely ignore it?

[spark tusk]

but my point is why does knowing this number matter

[small epoch]

Isn’t it just minor min max when you use black powder over Evis like 9 target vs 8 target cleave

[vale pine]

@final holly
#1 fazed is a debuff
#2 you will use shadow dance with symbols and secret technique between your 90 secounds cooldowns, at least one time and sometiems 2 times, so you should not cap on shadow dance charges.
#3 you use symbols 2 times every 90 secounds with at least 1 time between them. Symbols has a cooldown of 25 secounds means you generate 4 charges every 100 secounds, the extra charges is how you is great because it allows you to get 2 symbols during cooldowns more than once.

[spark tusk]

Yeah I get that

[vale pine]

(answering because your question was deleted, please don't use swear words if you want to not get automatically moderated)

[shadow lance]

I used it first for outlaw for knowing the number of cp I'll generate with BF

[spark tusk]

I'm just saying it's minor and if you get it wrong because you're not looking at a target count WA your damage is still going to be fine

[shadow lance]

Then with Shuriken for same reason

[lilac stag]

We don’t support outlaw here

[shadow lance]

And fok to know if spread targets were close enough to be hit

[lilac stag]

Good news is you strike and don’t need to count shuriken

[spark tusk]

Well I think it's different for shuriken, you won't know the number of CP you'll generate unless you also take into account shtec stacks

[shadow lance]

This part was before rework

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[small epoch]

Plus idk I feel like after your first time doing the keys you’ll just reflexively get used to the size of the packs and your eyes get used to counting the frames without even realizing you’re doing it

[shadow lance]

Got this shit for years now, I'm used to have that little number next to my nameplate

[lilac stag]

change is difficult.

You can do it. I believe.

[small epoch]

But I played spriest for a long while so you know. It was kind of a Ope too many for shadow crash to dot

[shadow lance]

Why would I ?

[spark tusk]

It's also about information focus and screen attention for me. Information about your target and your character state makes sense to me to look at a WA center screen

but knowing the state of the field in front of me

I want to gather that information by looking at the field and judging the nameplates information

[tranquil garden]

Yeah you are right. I'll probably not implement the counter and do my best to just estimate

[spark tusk]

it's why I don't want a WA to track all garrotes/ruptures on targets near me

that's what nameplates are for

I'm not saying you have to play this way

[final holly]

Thank you for answering after it was deleted, I didn't realise [REDACTED] was a banned word, I won't use it again

[spark tusk]

I'm saying this is why I prefer what I'm doing

[lilac stag]

2 targets out of dance? Hit storm. In dance. Strike then storm then strike. That simple.

[small epoch]

It’s just getting in the good habits for higher tier play

[vale pine]

👍 and if you have more questions, just ask

[small epoch]

Dont intentionally practice habits you know you’ll need to fix later

[lilac stag]

if you’re in doubt. Press evis over BP

[spark tusk]

Also like if the rule is BP after 7 targets. And there's a pull with exactly 7 targets and you misread it as 6 targets and you only strike, oh well you aren't turbo dogshit dps, you'll be fine

[shadow lance]

Nha, it make sense.

It was just a wa to see how much target I got in range

[small epoch]

You might be able to make a simple floating number wa for that

[shadow lance]

Hard to estimate spells range sometimes

I got one, that's what we're speaking about ahaha

[warped zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

there's also an issue that nimble flurry and storm/bp have diff ranges

so having a tracking WA might be goofy

[small epoch]

Though I think you’d need to make a custom condition to only show when targets are greater than 5 or so if you don’t want to be annoyed by a 1-5 when it’s easy to count those. You’d also need to set the range = to your spell. But pretty sure blizzard disabled those types of counters anyways

[lilac stag]

Jump before BP if they’re just out of range.

[small epoch]

You’d have to set the wa to track your minimum range spell

[lilac stag]

PvP Tech

[swift tinsel]

All I do is jump

and am constantly reminded my jumps are less cool than nelf frontflips

[frozen lily]

Should be possible to make one that indicates if BP or eviscerate is currently ideal though

[lilac stag]

do you count first or just jump?

[swift tinsel]

seems like an unnecessary amount of work imo

[spark tusk]

Blizzard changed range tracking to only be possible on spells your character knows currently in your spellbook. So you can only know the range to a target based on bound ranges amongst all of your spells in your current spellbook for your spec

[swift tinsel]

I jump min 3 times out of habit

[spark tusk]

So yeah, it's defo more limited now

[lilac stag]

Have you not learned people like their macros and WAs ?

[frozen lily]

But making WAs is fun

[spark tusk]

Oh yes

[swift tinsel]

True I made a WA to tell me to eat breakfast

[spark tusk]

Making the WA is fun

[swift tinsel]

bc sometimes I forget

[spark tusk]

But using the WA is a different question

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-ron-swanson-giggle-so-much-fun-gif-14647008

[frozen lily]

Fixing broken WAs also not so much fun

[spark tusk]

I like it ngl

the troubleshooting phase is a fun phase

for me

[frozen lily]

Can be yeah

[shadow lance]

I see paladin having wa to know if they're in consecration..

[small epoch]

Gotta make the two part wa one to play gas gas gas or Tokyo drift while you’re in the car and the other to play delincuente when someone drives past you in the car and you’re not in the car

[spark tusk]

I made a WA to create an array of buttons that craft a configured set of craft recipe material combinations because craftsim didn't do exactly what I wanted so I could easily just cycle through a set of things I know I want to craft every time I go to craft

(This isn't a joke)

[frozen lily]

I’m not surprised at all

[spark tusk]

It also involved making a custom addon file to consolidate some of the code

[keen dome]

This rules so much

Absolutely the best aspect of knowing how to do this stuff. Just being able to go "you don't do what I want you to do? Well I'll make it"

[tidal marsh]

[swift tinsel]

this is so badass ngl

[frozen lily]

Being able to craft your ui to give you exactly the information you want the way you want it is very rewarding

[keen dome]

It's why I went with making my own WA's because I want stuff very speciifc.

[swift tinsel]

for sure, being able to condense information through better understanding of WA was huge for me to eliminate so much UI clutter

I used to have so many extra icons and timers and whatnot and now I can put 5x as much info into one aura

[spark tusk]

I also made a custom "spreadsheet" aura so I could cross compare a bunch of values for crafting ratios

(I have problems)

(Send help)

[swift tinsel]

dude thats awesome

[keen dome]

Hahaha that's so goooood

LE stands for Legend

[swift tinsel]

I just use spreadsheets for that kind of thing but having the functionality in-game is amazing

[spark tusk]

Well yeah I did it all in spreadsheets for a while that's how it started

but copy/pasting out got annoying

[swift tinsel]

Agreed lol

[pliant topaz]

LE... wait for it... dary

[tranquil garden]

Getting the data out of wow has been my biggest problem

[small epoch]

Im sure you could make a wa for that

[tranquil garden]

Comms are basically limited to copy paste so not really

[spark tusk]

You can't make something copy to clipboard automatically. you have to press ctrl c yourself at the end of the day

you can save things to saved variables though

and then after you log out saved variables will get updated in your file directory

and if you wanted you could write external programs to read that data you saved off from the file

that's how TSM works

but that's not real time obvoiusly

[tranquil garden]

Blizzard will never give us something like a Unix domain socket

[pliant topaz]

good morning LE you look great today!

[tranquil garden]

Any they're probably right

[pliant topaz]

btw subtelty chat, are you guys excited about the raid today woo

[keen dome]

Tomorrow for me but I am HYPED

Can't wait to raid tomorrow.

[cursive vapor]

Yea tomorrow we go!

[pliant topaz]

poggies chat! gl to yall

[spark tusk]

hi it's been a while thanks my avatar is the same as it was before so I don't know what you're talking about but thanks for the compliment anyways

[swift tinsel]

I'm pretty hyped for raid tonight, gonna purple stab so hard

[keen dome]

❤️

[pliant topaz]

it sure has! been pretty busy with work and everything! but I like to come and lurk form time to time! missed yall

[keen dome]

First week of raiding ('cos I'm mad and do AotC week 1 pugging stuff) is my second favourite time in WoW. First is expansion launch.

[pliant topaz]

yeah thats usualyl when wows at its most fun

you see a lot of peoeple runnign around for the first week or so

[void hound]

armin the rizzler

[pliant topaz]

specially on expansion launch

[keen dome]

And everything is fresh and new and everyone is figuring it out.

And the initial gearing is legit extremely fun too

[slate beacon]

on wowhead there's Single Target (easy enough) and then there's Raid: Cleave and Raid: Council, which bosses that aren't Single target use cleave or council

[void hound]

not looking forward to splits but overall im excited for the new raid

[keen dome]

Pouring one out for my rogue buddies who have to split raid.

[void hound]

the raid isnt out yet, its hard to tell how fights are gonna turn out

[slate beacon]

ok im just trying to prep as best as i can we usually clear 7/8H on the first day and this is my first time maining rogue

[pliant topaz]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[pliant topaz]

okay just wanted to double check the guides. if you actually look at the builds, you realize the only difference between the three builds, is that in pure single target we take shadow focus over improved storm. the cleave/council are identical.

and imma be honest with you, shadow focus is quite litearlly a 0.1% dps talent.

you might as well never take it

[slate beacon]

yeah i just realized the import code for cleave and council are the same

not sure why there's 2 identical builds

with different names

makes no sense

so basically subtelty just plays aoe talents on every single boss unless ur litereally in the top 0.1% where u play a talent where that matters

[pliant topaz]

pretty much. subtelty unfortunately doesnt have a lot of competing talent options. everything is either 100% mandatory core, or pretty much useless. the oae stuff turn out stronger on single target

[slate beacon]

20% energy reduction cost of sap and kidney shot in the class tree
vs
30% reduced duration of movement slowing effects

the latter seems better if there's any type of slow

[unkempt basin]

agreed the slow reduction is more impactful due to positioning being so important

[pliant topaz]

@south sedge

!wa

huh

[keen dome]

Did moroes go on break

[pliant topaz]

no idea

[keen dome]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[keen dome]

Weird

[clever delta]

Armin are you playing

[vale pine]

he plays tft/lol iirc

[pearl swan]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[cinder axle]

is there anything new rotationwise in season 2 with trickster regarding season 1? Havnt played for 2 months and no idea if something changed xD

[molten citrus]

[alpine sluice]

sup people, just a question I have:
is it worth wasting some seconds in symbols pandemic to supercharge a secret technique??

[vale pine]

you bp on 7+ now

but eleem mentioned both optimizations in the pins

[cinder axle]

Thank you I found the pin already! 🙂

[hollow spear]

Guys, which toy dummy is the easiest to acquire?

[molten citrus]

The Valentine’s Day one

[swift crest]

good quation

id like one of those

[foggy egret]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[twilit phoenix]

you guys gonna send a MH craft this week or nah?

[tranquil garden]

Yeah absolutely.

[zenith hollow]

how far behind is ascendance+patch behind lens?

[pliant topaz]

Im playing lol/tft/ my friends are trying to get me to play ffxiv

[slate lantern]

daddy needs his MH dps

[twilit phoenix]

it's simming almost 8% higher in ST

[bleak night]

catgirl armin when

[ivory sorrel]

Are any written guides up to date ?

[pliant topaz]

bro on god. I told these iditos theres no shot im playing that game, then they showed me the club. im hooked. im in.

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[hallow fox]

m+ will be up today?

[pliant topaz]

should be

[hallow fox]

didnt like how they released heroic dung with the raid and blocked m+ on the start of the xpac

[bleak night]

there is no heroic week this patch yeah

there was casual week but now that season starts everything will be open

[ivory sorrel]

Like on wow head

[bleak night]

all the guides should be up to date

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[hallow fox]

we use shuriken storm once just on 7+ targets or in 5 too?

[ivory sorrel]

Tysm

[molten citrus]

7

[shadow lance]

Do we have a sheet or something for new dungeons evasion/cos use?

[limber folio]

ffxiv is a more >>>casual wow

[pliant topaz]

i dont like the combat in it

im strictly gooning there

on a mission

o7

[edgy zenith]

FFXIV combat wouldn't even be that bad if the classes felt different, but everything is a 2min spec and you have to like all line up your shit together to do damage

so bland

fights are fun as hell

classes are not

[lofty tapir]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[jaunty heath]

Gl Sir Exile and Sir Kushi

May the best one win

(Exile)

[pliant topaz]

wouldnt know. the club calls. i have catgirls to rizz up

[stone robin]

is it a big dmg loss to press rupture when symbols is running?

[rancid grove]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

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[hollow spear]

No

As long as you don't use it during dance or with supercharger you should be good

[stone robin]

ay ty <3

[swift crest]

servers up lets go

[azure mauve]

lies

[pure jay]

rude

[limber folio]

atleast tanking is 100x times easier in ffxiv lmao

i played warrior for like 1,5y

[molten citrus]

stop trolling

[lilac stag]

just mute them

[swift crest]

i will not be told by a deathstalker

[shadow lance]

Thanks for the react

[twilit phoenix]

what did you get warned for yesterday

saw you got dinged

what did you say bro

[limber folio]

oh i sent the wrong pic here

was gonna send it to a friend discord

it was nadeshot insiniuated nword he posted in a twitch event lmao

[twilit phoenix]

sending hole pics to RH by accident!

[limber folio]

after winning

[twilit phoenix]

[limber folio]

say what

[warm marlin]

that clip is a banger

real contender for all time best

[stone robin]

can someone tell me what a good DPS Number is in our burst window with all CD's? i want to practice on dummys and would love to know

[paper iron]

@vale pine Sorry for the ping sir. Do you still have your weakaura that tracks in-range targets? would be usefull to discern when to bp/evis

🥺

[molten citrus]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

[paper iron]

cheeeeeeeers

[bright sundial]

any betters if maintenance gets extended?

[paper iron]

it used to get broken at some point cuz of blizzard changes, so i didnt know if it got updated

[shut jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/151978619860680704/1346547110845349938/image.png?ex=67c89538&is=67c743b8&hm=7ec67f74084a4d91b6f79e4a757c78d0940684f32828b29a67570702d1993345& surely they'll nerf everyone who gains more than our tier

[honest saddle]

You would have to sim that with your gear, otherwise impossible to tell you

you could sim like a 1min test dummy run or something

[pure jay]

i was so confused until i saw it for nerub

[stone robin]

oh okaay

[sage grail]

for st opener, what is the difference between sd + ss + sb and sd+sb+ss

[umbral topaz]

Well our tier was nerfed twice so ofc they will

[haughty mural]

Premeditation

[swift tinsel]

sd+ss+sb benefits from premed

[swift crest]

can we craft 2 or 1 pieces this week

[slate lantern]

1

[hazy breach]

1

[dense coyote]

how do we open if we dont have flag and sb available ? for AOE

[slate lantern]

spread ruptures and chill (depends on what point youre waiting for flag and sb)

[dense coyote]

does one rupture apply it to all
?

[slate lantern]

no

[dense coyote]

or do we have to tab target on each of them

[slate lantern]

RS spreads to two targets per cast

[swift crest]

did anyne do the full campaign on ptr or some shit and know how long it takes to finish

[dense coyote]

3 hours

ish

i did it

[swift crest]

furrk

[shrewd reef]

Where is this Image from? Can you link the spreadsheet pls?

[hazy breach]

1 extra target per cast

Its assa that gets +2

[worthy pulsar]

is stat prio the same for AoE and ST?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[slate lantern]

yeah that was worded poorly, meant to sat 2 ruptures total are applied per cast

[dense coyote]

what was that old trick people used to do with sub rogue in sanctum of domination that involved a camp fire ? prior to boss pulls or whatever ? does anyone remember that ?

[swift crest]

can we make a rogue cheese mech spreadsheet this tier

cheesing/immuing mechs

[frigid dragon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[dense coyote]

so... outlaw is better ?

[molten citrus]

sims are not a tool for comparing different specs

[covert crane]

always has been

[dense coyote]

soo

I switch back to outlaw then ?

[keen dome]

Sure, if you want

[slate lantern]

do it

Press KS for a gajillion damage

[tepid trellis]

it was Sac to force proc max stacks sulvannas daggers

[dense coyote]

oh yes thats right

memory unlocked haha

[lilac stag]

lets go extendo

NA beta test delayed

[vale pine]

unholy tech^^

sub somehow always find some weird things like this

[lilac stag]

we're used to eating spaghetti

[keen dome]

Tasty spaghetti. But what sauce today?

[dense coyote]

how come on all the talents on wowhead none of them show killing spree chosen for the best talents?

[lilac stag]

outlaw ers

just wait for perfecto to unleash KS

[dense coyote]

perfecto?

[molten citrus]

because most of the wowhead stuff was already in the pipeline before trickster got buffed i assume

[paper iron]

Perfecto

[dense coyote]

oh so ... trickster outlaw is probs the thing now ?

[molten citrus]

"the thing"

#outlaw

[dense coyote]

yes the thing xD

[molten citrus]

go read pins

in the outlaw channel

[dense coyote]

thank you

[paper iron]

trickster outlaw is better if u press ks on cd, basically. But the high chance of dying every 25s is kinda

rough

[hazy breach]

HEAL MY CHARACTER

[steel zinc]

1.5

[hazy breach]

I WILL NOT EXHIL THERE

[molten citrus]

you guys get heals?

[paper iron]

it probably will see plays early, but as higher the keys, the lower the presence

What is heals?

[twilit phoenix]

what if a paladin sacs your KS bleed

[vale pine]

killing spree is a 🐐 talent

[twilit phoenix]

and then another paladin sacs that paladin

how does that shit work

[hexed sluice]

Killing spree is just a very fun button to press

[worthy pulsar]

fits outlaw theme being rng

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-davy-jones-reverse-we're-back-gif-9191625993795290344

[thorny zodiac]

if i wanna have the dwarf racial, should i take dark iron or the normal one?

[lilac stag]

maghar

[clever delta]

normal

[jaunty umbra]

zandalari dwarf best dwarf

[paper iron]

it s a fun button to press the first times, then you get eye seizure and bored

😔

[sage grail]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[onyx silo]

can you share the tabel please?

[native zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[broken swallow]

It's a complete mystery why it doesn't behave like blade dance. Some dev must have spent forever making the teleport work, and now be senior and refuse to let their darling go.

[hazy breach]

Killing spree was made like 20 years ago

[spice escarp]

it is now

[crystal blaze]

i have now opened my heart to the potential of subtlety

[bleak night]

one channel wasnt enough for outlaw players to complain about ks

now they've breached containment

[crystal blaze]

i love getting massive crits on secret technique

[slate lantern]

[stone robin]

is sub harder to play in m+ than raid?

[opaque valve]

maybe somebody knows this, was just checking the omnitoken vendor and all helmets had a socket on them. does the regular tier helmet token also guarantee a socket this tier?

[swift tinsel]

there's a few more decisions to make in m+

[vale pine]

next thing you tell me legion was released over 8 years ago

[swift tinsel]

but I wouldn't say its harder if you know the basics

[vale pine]

kinda

[paper iron]

legion was released over 8 years ago

[random hare]

:alertpartysiren:

[vale pine]

[keen dome]

😨

[slate lantern]

[stone robin]

what are those decisions?

[random hare]

yo yo yo i ended up at 2.61m st on ptr

2.2 min fight

sub op no cap

[shut ridge]

to never play it beyond your weekly 10s

[stone robin]

lol

[thick temple]

Are we supposed to have a full spark when the season starts? I didn't get any fractured sparks last week

[shut ridge]

you should get one full one from the quest, you turn in a half for a whole

iirc

[lilac stag]

It’s a 2 for 1 this week

[thick temple]

Word

[thick temple]

World quest? Or like continuation of campaign

[hollow snow]

Jump 3 times

[bleak night]

slide to the left

[slate lantern]

CO LLECT BUFF

[shut ridge]

probably a weekly? i don't remember honestly

[swift tinsel]

Boogie Down

[hollow snow]

zzzzz fight

[marble oracle]

huge brother, much appreciato

[hollow snow]

Sashay left

[bleak night]

PRANCE FORWARD

[spice escarp]

not much new because no changes 🤷‍♂️

[marble oracle]

its ok 😂

atleast u maintain

[hollow spear]

Does anyone know where you can change the settings in wowaudit to force max upgrade + upgrade all equipped gear?

[swift tinsel]

might have to do in droptimizer if that's what its pulled from

[worn cape]

Don't think so :/

[hollow spear]

I swear we had that last season

[thick temple]

If I have crafted gear from s1 and use s2 crests to upgrade does it work like that or do I need to use s2 spark

[fathom adder]

s2 spark

but you will get 1 shard tomorrow, then you take the quest and you got 2 shards = 1 spark

[shadow ermine]

I am just swapping to sub from sin. For large packs in M+ should I manually spread my rupture around on the mobs? Should I get it up on all the mobs (less smaller ones) or is there like a max cap I should go to then just swap back to rotation on prio target?

[shadow lance]

Just spread on target while tank gather mobs and between CD

No cap

Just be sure target live long enough

[willow pawn]

Sub or outlaw for raid prog tonight

[alpine wraith]

you can try outlaw i wont

tell me how it goes

[pure jay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[slate lantern]

Killing spree is op for prog, it's literally an ability called "KILL" how can you not use that

[clever delta]

When us servers suppose to go live?

[west tide]

guys my favorite content creator said this https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1897008649899532439
but dont u sblades before the secret technique

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5) on X

Shadowstrike
Flagellation
Rupture
Vanish Shadowstrike
Eviserate
Symbols of Death Shadow Dance Shadowstrike
Secret Technique Shadow Blades

X · Mar 4, 2025, 7:38 PM

[alpine wraith]

no idea you tell us

[swift tinsel]

<10mins

[slate lantern]

52 mins ago

[swift tinsel]

unless another extendo

[molten citrus]

[stone robin]

what is the best timing to collect the transmitter orb?

[swift tinsel]

as you sectech

[west tide]

no what

[paper iron]

u want shadowblade to be activ before the hit of the clones, u dont really care about the first hit, i think

but that s super opti i guess

[alpine wraith]

you ideally blades after sec tech but the diff is not super big

[vale pine]

answer with
"you forgot to backstab in shadow dance"

[alpine wraith]

and you also run the risk of using too late

also yea we are back again to stab ahaha

[west tide]

wait stab?!

[alpine wraith]

cant escape

finishers strong

[paper iron]

WHAT

[west tide]

when do i stab gimme da rule

[swift tinsel]

time to rebind backstab on my non-stealth bar

[paper iron]

do we really stab again in dance?

[swift tinsel]

is it settled on premed bs before sectech

[paper iron]

[alpine wraith]

if you take finality instead of rotten but still need to math more things out

at least i wont say veredict is super closed

[west tide]

its probably close enough that u can be ok without for now haha

i will ignore it until later....

[swift tinsel]

might just yolo the bs in first flag dance and send before 2nd sectech

[paper iron]

if i can not be using backstab in dance, i ll go with that

[crystal blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLUuaUiwcz4

[hollow spear]

wait what, you guys are trolling rn right?

[alpine wraith]

not trolling check #tc-research although full action lists were not all given fuu did send some you can check if you want

[vale pine]

the apl is in the sims if you want to copy, the change i did is a one liner and would need more testing

[alpine wraith]

correct that is why veredict not closed i saw the actionlist you posted

tbh i dont really have time to check things just came home will update some things end the s1 wow things get a gazillion auctions going

then go to sleep wake up at 6 am

[haughty mural]

do we have a ~ % for skyfury ?

[alpine wraith]

super big

like 10%+

[leaden prairie]

40% !!

[haughty mural]

thanks 🙂

[haughty mural]

X

[alpine wraith]

man i wish we still had 40% trinks

we had a talk the other day what a nostalgia trip

[thin lion]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[honest saddle]

skyfury kinda big for making the 4th dance window consistently yeah?

[ornate heron]

What makes it so moving cold blood to the second secret tec more damage ?

[vale pine]

you build up stacks of flawless form

[alpine wraith]

and tier set likely

[vale pine]

and also the trinket

also tier

[alpine wraith]

and my axe

[ornate heron]

Tyty

[twilit phoenix]

Hey
So basically I'm just not gonna backstab in dance
I Know..... UGH I know... It's just that I'm not gonna do it is all HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[vale pine]

its a small optimization

we seem to find fun ones this season

🚯 - no more macro for secret + cold blood
🚯 - No more strike/backstab macro

the season 2 police comes

[twilit phoenix]

what's the % on backstab?

if that shit is less than .3% I will look the other way

[vale pine]

seems to depend on the talent setup

somewhere around 0.5%

[twilit phoenix]

[vale pine]

potentially higher with talent swaps

[keen dome]

Wait, is backstab in dance back? I wasn't paying attention.

[vale pine]

kinda yes

[keen dome]

nooooo

[twilit phoenix]

fuck man I'm out of binds

[keen dome]

[vale pine]

someone asked in tc-research

and i took a look for backstab in aoe

and it showed a win for single target

[twilit phoenix]

oh shit so in dslice it doesn't matter?

[keen dome]

Huh, interesting

[vale pine]

its not a super refined condition, you can read the conversation in #1065728795455266888 message

[twilit phoenix]

oh word, ty, was just following the otl tc chat

i'll check it out

[willow pawn]

backstabbing in shadow dance kinda happens in ST anyways no?

[keen dome]

Ditto, will check it out! thanks

[twilit phoenix]

not really

[alpine wraith]

not for a while

[keen dome]

That seems pretty good data, at least. Nooo, noooo my least favourite minmax noooo

[upper narwhal]

fuck bs in dance

[stone robin]

does it mean you can macro it with dance?

[twilit phoenix]

[upper narwhal]

bs in dance = if my bs/strike macro gets stance delayed I won't feel bad if I bs

I thought we were finally free of this

[vale pine]

we can come back to out old beloved

/cast Shadow Dance; backstab
macro

[upper narwhal]

can you just lie about the sims so nobody does it and we all collectively agree to ignore it?#

[twilit phoenix]

is that really the move?

[vale pine]

Oh, you want me to put it on wowhead?

[twilit phoenix]

you use that for every dance instead?

[vale pine]

[vale pine]

i haven't tested if it still works

so will need to see tomorrow

[keen dome]

I'm going to test if it sitll works

[upper narwhal]

it used to don't see why it would be different

[vale pine]

they broke stealth macros

e.g.

/cast dance
/cast strike

also does not work anymore

[upper narwhal]

huh weird

make dance/backstab into another stance macro

[keen dome]

How do I open the stupid details dummy thing again..

[vale pine]

oh

yould be

[nocturne rose]

Wait, we backstab in dance, no more cb + sec macro, what else have i missed?

[vale pine]

that the macro was
/cast [bonusbar:0] Shadow Dance; Backstab

[keen dome]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Backstab``` seems to be working, I think

[vale pine]

ye should work too

less fancy

[vale pine]

We discussed it in #1065728795455266888

[nocturne rose]

thank you

[vale pine]

but basically, it seems to be worth again to backstab in dance

[keen dome]

Yeah, seems to work. 2 Danse stacks on hitting the macro

[vale pine]

oh

the macro works because

[paper surge]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

backstab does not need dance to work

[keen dome]

Yeah

So is there any downside to just using this macro as my basic Dance macro for this little optimisation? I wouldn't need two dance buttons, right?

[vale pine]

because the reason it does not work anymore with dance is a minimal delay between the application of the buff

going from this

you could probably just use it for your 2nd dance in secret

[keen dome]

Other than it feels awkward 'cos of the GCD I guess.

Yeah

[steel zinc]

So every dance no matter what we bs first?

Or what is the tech?

[vale pine]

both seems identical in output

[steel zinc]

It used to be only in blades back in the day

[vale pine]

it needs to be more refined

but atm the apl line is basically to backstab as first builder in dance

[keen dome]

Yeah, makes sense.

Extra Danse stack for no? drawback

[steel zinc]

The line needs to have some shadowtech stacks

like if you bs and only get 2cb that cant be the play imo

[upper narwhal]

assuming this is for ST only?

please god don't have us pressing bs in aoe

[vale pine]

you get full cp

from premed

so its whatever

[vale pine]

its on low target counts

it becomes neutral/ignorable on higher target counts

[upper narwhal]

time to update my dance macro

[vale pine]

if you look at this

using backstab during blades in aoe

is a bigger gain

[keen dome]

😨

At least with this macro it seems? pretty set-and-forget with no drawback.

[vale pine]

you spend most of your blades in dance

[upper narwhal]

I wonder if this effects going in to dance at high combo ponts vs low

[keen dome]

We have premed so it's pretty whatever, right?

[vale pine]

not rly, you already are allowed to enter dance on low and high cp

[upper narwhal]

yeah but if you enter dance on a finisher

[steel zinc]

This depends on tier or not?

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[steel zinc]

that aint working

[keen dome]

My one of: #showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast Shadow Dance /cast Backstab is working for what it's worth

[vale pine]

moment

[vale pine]

the other one is possibly better if you want more control

because its:
1st press dance
2nd press bs

[keen dome]

Oh, makes sense, yeah

[vale pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bZhsNUPXUekiSjynWU7W1n

tier set def. increases it

[proven plover]

bro what is wrong with me

ascendance and banding sims higher than lense for me

like 0.3%

[steel zinc]

This works ty gj ❤️

[upper narwhal]

yeah you're right this isn't working sadly

[steel zinc]

Without new tier not worth? This I assume is without new tier

I mean its just changing my macro

[upper narwhal]

/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

this works

for 1 press dance 2 press bs

[vale pine]

yes, thats with tier set bonus dissabled

[vale pine]

perfect

its the inverse of what i posted

[upper narwhal]

yeah the one you posted would not work idk why

[keen dome]

Yeah, that works really nicely

[vale pine]

interessting

[keen dome]

Much more control

Much better than mine, haha

[upper narwhal]

i used something similar last time it was a rule

[civic lava]

Why the macro ? is the backstab rule back in place ?

[upper narwhal]

yes

[vale pine]

kind of yes

[civic lava]

Oh come on

[vale pine]

[near rivet]

is TFD talent still a thing in S2 for speed kills?

backstab in dance should work better there

[vale pine]

yes, feel free to use it on very short kill times

[keen dome]

The rise of another macro. We lose one, we gain another.

The cycle of Sub

[upper narwhal]

the things we do for 0.5% dps

[vale pine]

i mean

it might be a bit more

if you change talents

[keen dome]

Ye, and in AoE, etc.

[vale pine]

but yes, its another "minor" gain

[keen dome]

Which there is a lot of this tier (or, well, cleave)

[upper narwhal]

yeah gonna be using it now, damage is damage

[keen dome]

Ye. I don't do the CB thing so I'll make up for it by doing this, more annoying thing.

[upper narwhal]

i found a free bind for cb

but I just have a naked SecTec bind and a bind for the CB/SecTec macro

[keen dome]

Ye

I should just do that. I have SecTec on 6 so I could toss the macro onto Ctrl+6 since we hit it, what, once every second burst in flag so every 1:40ish?

(The CB SecTec, that is)

[upper narwhal]

basically what I'm doing, seems to work

[sly shore]

me not removing my dance + bs bind

futuresight activated

[keen dome]

hah

[slate hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[near rivet]

also @vale pine i think there is a minor error in sheet, talent string included there for ST has different talents than on ST sim (+ finallity, - rotten)

[real rain]

so in summary you secret teq with x2 macab stacks?

[sly shore]

never lost it

😄

[upper narwhal]

1st builder in dance is backstab always(?)

[sly shore]

[round latch]

thats the oldest sub macro

[keen dome]

Shadowstab? good name

[vale pine]

oh, ill check moment

should be correct now

[vagrant fossil]

Wait, so is it jsut the first builder in dance that is backstab. Or is it all builders?

[near rivet]

yea, thanks

[velvet solar]

do we do the backstab on every dance? is it only with CDs up? how about on aoe?

[alpine wraith]

for now minor gain on cds dance

with tier set a bit more

[worthy ginkgo]

so how bad is it to cold blood your first ST vs your second one on openers

[alpine wraith]

with finality instead of rotten a bit more

[alpine wraith]

on cds you mean around 1.2% worse when you have tier

[worthy ginkgo]

ty for the speedy response

[vale pine]

just first builder

[vagrant fossil]

Thank you. Thus the macro of having them in one. And then shadowstrike rest of the dance?

[steel zinc]

Maybe worth a pin?

[vale pine]

you can but you don't always start dance with backstab

[velvet solar]

when do we use one shuriken storm and one BP in dance for stacks? meaning at how many targets?

[fathom gazelle]

in aoe or just st? in ur flag window or inside sd only without flag ?

[fathom gazelle]

7 according to pins

[steel zinc]

Well at full cp you dont but like 80% of the time you do with 0 cps

[vale pine]

yep

[vale pine]

seems to be worth on lower target counts and becomes less relevant with higher ones

[sly shore]

so when do we backstab smile

in 2nd dance before sectech?

[vagrant fossil]

First builder in SD

All of them because of the extra macabre stack

[upper narwhal]

we never BS even in single target outside of dance I think

[sly shore]

@vale pine

[upper narwhal]

unbind backstab

[vale pine]

you can do it every dance

for simplicity

[sly shore]

nice

[vale pine]

someone asked if its better to do it only for 2nd dance

and its about the same output

[sacred magnet]

can someone put the right macro again? got lost since i saw a couple of them already

[vale pine]

so no diffrence

[upper narwhal]

/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

[vale pine]

just ~1/3 of the backstab casts

[sly shore]

makes sense

bs + stack vs SS

[sacred magnet]

thanks! do we put it on stealth bar or normal?

[upper narwhal]

this makes 1st press dance 2nd press backstab

[upper narwhal]

uh I don't use stealth bars so normal only for me

[keen dome]

Ye, very comfy

[vestal escarp]

Backstab is back......

No.....

[keen dome]

Stabback

[pulsar mauve]

BS during dance is just with Shadow Blades right ?

[sly shore]

no

[vagrant fossil]

This is what I see in the pinned comment

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[vale pine]

oh eleem already added it to the pins

fast

premediation is up every dance

[patent crystal]

is this in every dance?

[vale pine]

for simplicity yes

but as i lined out above

there is no dps diffrence

in only doing it during the 2nd dance in big cooldowns

vs. always

also i guess i need to re-do my opener section on wowhead tomorrow again

and optimizations

[vestal escarp]

Ideally that backstab doesnt suck up a rotten stack right?

[vale pine]

it does

[vestal escarp]

[vale pine]

hmm

[vestal escarp]

[keen dome]

hmm..

[vestal escarp]

No way we're flushing a rotten stack on slapstab

[drifting fable]

!weakauras

[vestal escarp]

Like we dance stab sod sectech

Aint no way

[keen dome]

I wonder how different it is if you move SecTec to second finisher?

[gentle temple]

!WA

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[hazy breach]

Fucks your unseen blades stuff

Not worth

[keen dome]

Oh, shit, yeah it would.

[vestal escarp]

Or second dance during cds is like dance stab evis sod strike evis strike sectech

[keen dome]

I guess you are only losing out one single rotten strike. 6% extra on big hits beats it, I guess?

[paper blaze]

@fuu is your current wa pack fully up to date on wago been away from game for a while

@vale pine

[vale pine]

yes

there is no diffrence for weakauras this season

[paper blaze]

ty sir

[vale pine]

all of the linked should be up to date

if one is not let me know, so i can remove it

[sly shore]

only added tier buff tracking

literally only change

[vestal escarp]

Depending on how late sectech is that 6% is only on one or two evis max

[keen dome]

true ye

But with how hard they hit with everything rolling?

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[sonic hamlet]

in theory if you were lazy af could you put the whole opener rotation on a single macro button?

[keen dome]

no

[vestal escarp]

Why does robot keep making my fav spec ass to play?

[vale pine]

i mean you don't need to do the min/maxes

[vestal escarp]

But.........

They're in the pins..............

[vale pine]

you gain like

0.3%

if you have no s2 4piece tier

[glacial dome]

reinstalled today. Someone teach me how to play again!

[civic lava]

Any sub streamer right now ? :p

[vale pine]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[vale pine]

pick your poison all 3 are written by lovely people

[sly shore]

exile

[vestal escarp]

Wait

Did sacth get ce?

[glacial dome]

stealthi ain't lovely!

[vestal escarp]

Chat

[whole summit]

Should I macro flagellation and shadow blades together?

[pure dust]

no

[keen dome]

No, because we do not cast them at the same time.

[whole summit]

Alr just wondering thanks

[pure dust]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[pure dust]

those are the only recommended ones

[fathom gazelle]

with this bs change do u SoD before it to consume rotten? or u sod before sec tec?

[alpine wraith]

that might be a bit of a win to not SoD until sec tech

[sonic hamlet]

@vale pine just to confirm you blades after technique on the opener

[alpine wraith]

before or after is not a huge diff

[sonic hamlet]

ah cool

[alpine wraith]

just doing it after can let you get another global inside blades sometimes

[sonic hamlet]

i see

[shrewd lantern]

what even is the average cd of secret

outside of cds

[fathom gazelle]

if thats the case then whats wrong with macroing blades to sd?

[shrewd lantern]

prem

i mean macroing abilities on sub is kind of not a good idea

outside of trinket to blades

[fathom gazelle]

ahh right forgot about prem

[shrewd lantern]

sub doesnt have a crazy number of buttons anyway

[lilac stag]

@keen dome still 606

[keen dome]

🫡

Thanks for checking. Mystery solved.