Real talk, since when is uni mandatory
#subtlety
sour forum
keen dome
No but that's how a lot of early science went with them sippin' the chemicals'n shit prbably.
mint swift
I'm p sure the one i go to has like
sour forum
Just skip class if need be 
mint swift
A certain required attendance
hazy breach
Well ye if youre only hitting like 2 or 3 targets
mint swift
If you don't get that you get kicked out
sour forum
And deal with the consequences
hazy breach
But if theres 8 targets you would need 7 casts if you dont swap, and 4 if you do
mint swift
Also if you want to actually live a meaningful life you should probably focus on education
sour forum
Poor eleem trying to help some1 out through this pile of nonsense
fringe mauve
sour forum
Im gonna stop
tepid trellis
elmo isnt a goat tho
keen dome
true, he's a raichu
sour forum
Eleem in what week do we gotta swap to assa? 
hazy breach
sour forum
Stepsis assa Kappa
haughty mural
sly shore
Im ready to goon
wild hornet
So if it spreads onto only 1 additional target do we rupture every single target with a sstorm copo builder before popping cds?
broken shadow
hi, outlaw player here. i would like to make a trade, your sectec for our killing spree. i believe this offer to be more than fair considering you have already been given blade flurry. please consider this offer and i will be awaiting your response.
vestal escarp
No thanks bye have a nice day
wild hornet
Hello outlaw player, after a careful revision, we unfortunately wont be able to continue with the aforementioned deal. What we can do to complete this deal is include Hook to the offer and it could be under thoughtful considerations.
May the wind lead you
sly shore
No thanks bye have a bad day
broken shadow
looks like you've given me no choice. my lawyers will be contacting you shortly.
sly shore
fuck em
tepid trellis
looks like you've given me no choice. my lawyers will be contacting you shortly.
hold my nuts
sour forum
hi, outlaw player here. i would like to make a trade, your sectec for our killin...
We also yoinked dreadblades
And we love it
cloud rover
You did
subtle jay
and it's still better than heroic house of cards
well my guild disagreed to go for myth kyveza to lemme get myth transmitter even despite the fact that we're all geared and know strats
so im stuck with shitty heroic one
sly shore
skill issue
subtle jay
well we've got couple persons of opposite gender in our group so i guess that's why our RL said no
sly shore
that's most definitely not the reason
subtle jay
i was driven crazy when i heard "strats as pictures are too complicated"
subtle jay
that's most definitely not the reason
well, maybe
sly shore
that's got precisely zero to do with gender
knotty thistle
well we've got couple persons of opposite gender in our group so i guess that's ...
what a weird thing to say
wild hornet
@alpine wraith i just watched ur vid/comments, is the reason that sblades is used before sectec now due to them interacting fully with each other
sly shore
absolutely unhinged opinion to have, I know
subtle jay
what a weird thing to say
im not against woman
sly shore
you clearly think they are inferior lol
subtle jay
HOWEVER im against braindead people that we've got in our guild
nothing to do with gender
sly shore
the fact you even mentioned that the reason you don't try bosses is because of the opposite gender is insane
keen dome
Then why did you make it about gender..? what the fuck, lmao
subtle jay
the fact you even mentioned that the reason you don't try bosses is because of t...
that's thing with RL
he's falling in love with any woman he meets over the internet :p
and unfortunately they don't really provide good influence to him
frank musk
Sounds like guild related drama.
subtle jay
well, kinda
frank musk
well as eastern european wow is pretty much a job for me
How much are you getting paid for it?
wild hornet
so im unable to just quit
Wdym
sly shore
didn't say quit
frank musk
Or is it one of those charity works?
wild hornet
I didnt mean quit wow filly
frank musk
Yeah sorry but this is hillarious
sly shore
commerce guilds 💀
hollow spear
Tldr: transmitter still stronk?
frank musk
I live under the water.
wild hornet
commerce guilds 💀
E-commerce ads inc
frank musk
Tldr: transmitter still stronk?
Yes.
glacial basin
wich one is better in raiding right now sub or assa?
subtle jay
E-commerce ads inc
lmao
sly shore
the one you like most
hollow spear
Sub is ass 
wild hornet
Im contemplating between outlaw and sub but i know little about outlaw
sly shore
a thing this guy just made up basically
keen dome
Is there a guild navigator
wild hornet
Is there a guild navigator
Theres a tour guide for lfr
hollow spear
Outlaw is sub, just without time to get a coffee between cooldowns
wild hornet
Outlaw is sub, just without time to get a coffee between cooldowns
Yeah its a bit of a hard choice
I love me some constant apm but i love the burst
keen dome
Inhailing a load of doritos "We see.. shapes.. You must.. stand upon the shapes.. We see... plans.. within plans... Which is.. that when the boss does the plan.. We must.. do the plan.."
wild hornet
Guys I haven't cleared normal
Yeah ive heard it kills your character
subtle jay
is outlaw going to be playable outside m+?
hollow spear
Me neither
sly shore
wild hornet
Im stuck on first lfr boss
sly shore
sly shore
keen dome
Oh I meant to go get LFR parses because they're funny but I forgot
keen dome
can I have one
subtle jay
ðŸ«
keen dome
😨
wild hornet
Did he get the transmitter tho
subtle jay
I'm glad you can afford to live by wasting away your own mental wellbeing
for me currently it's raiding or going to africa as pmc
i prefer to stay alive
viscid urchin
Did he get the transmitter tho
Yeah but on normal 🤣
keen dome
I never had it drop above normal, too.
Absolute chaos drops. Every week: a kill. Every week: dissapointment.
keen dome
However it's a blessing because it means I can swap off it sooner
So who's actually winning here? It's me.
wild hornet
So who's actually winning here? It's me.
The one with the better trinket (not you)
viscid urchin
I nabbed the raid neck right away as assass, stole it from a mage then gquit
wild hornet
Based
viscid urchin
It was glorious.
sly shore
small juniper
weird stats for a sub rogue
wild hornet
Keeping the same class alt is diabolical
keen dome
I have three rogues.
small juniper
bm hunter
keen dome
Maybe it's time for fourth rogue?
sly shore
Kpbunda is like 612 or some shit
viscid urchin
cant switch races without paying, gotta make more rogues
fringe palm
what else would I play
could play outlaw if you want a non-rogue alt
broken shadow
last chance, give me sectec
sly shore
sly shore
could play outlaw if you want a non-rogue alt
You're so real for that
viscid urchin
based chatter
frank musk
could play outlaw if you want a non-rogue alt
tulip gorge
hehe hating on a spec because you're a bunch of boomers 
sly shore
such is life
vestal escarp
Im still in the spring of my life and still hate outlul 
fringe palm
hehe hating on a spec because you're a bunch of boomers <:LOLW:11182577476963041...
i prefer calling it wise
frank musk
I would love to play it, i simply hate the dice.
tulip gorge
you are spiritually boomers
frank musk
'Spiritual boomers'
wild hornet
The only thing i dont like about outlaw is that i dont know the rotation
sly shore
I simply hate the spec, the people who play it, the design and the name "Outlaw"
wild hornet
Did some delves with it and was fun
tulip gorge
nooo I can't handle more than 40 APM, I need to go hate on it
vestal escarp
I hate the pistol
fringe palm
nooo I can't handle more than 40 APM, I need to go hate on it <:LOLW:11182577476...
i like enhance if that makes you more confused 
fathom gazelle
playing outlaw in st i like 12% above both specs but the real question how do u play it , coz i hate it the design :c
tulip gorge
sly shore
frank musk
i like enhance if that makes you more confused <:KEKL:938540034276065370>
i like enhance too.
tulip gorge
I bet you bozos are typing like this
sly shore
I seem to recall getting a r1 as outlaw in aberrus somewhow
after not playing the spec for ages
broken shadow
y outlaw slander we are already down tremendous
sly shore
fringe palm
its just rolling dice sometimes you win
frank musk
just like at the casino!
sly shore
sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit
broken shadow
on big pulls sometimes we hit all the dice and then we do tank damage, sometimes we roll bad and do healer damage
frank musk
on big pulls sometimes we hit all the dice and then we do tank damage, sometimes...
Theres really no inbetween there huh? xD
frank musk
Ah yes.
sly shore
0:40 kill timers
Na it wasn't 
cloud rover
can I have one
Stop being so needy
sly shore
Is the inbetween
more burst than ww huge
haughty mural
I bet you bozos are typing like this
why are you like this 
frank musk
I would be like that too, if blizzard hated my spec THAT badly.
Stripping away most of the pirate themes, removing alot of the fun skills and then just turning you into a coin flipper and doubling down on the RNG since Combat was taken out back and shot for it.
haughty mural
up for discussion which one is hated more
frank musk
Always is with Blizzard.
I am sure if you paid Blizzard some serious money, they might start hating another rogue spec more.
haughty mural
but i thought outlaw aint that bad to play right now (besides KS)
and roll chances with 4pc sound good aswell
proven plover
I enjoyed Outlaw in the first half of s1 tbf, even got a couple r1s
cursive vapor
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
haughty mural
Did they overtune ww this bad
let them poor souls have it
frank musk
Let them throw some punches already.
clever delta
Any transmitter numbers
sly shore
can sim it yourself
vale pine
check the pin sap
sly shore
or check the pins like a human
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
11.1 balance chanegs included
tepid trellis
should remember to plug in the keyboard
wild hornet
should remember to plug in the keyboard
Im just always trying to anticipate a better pack to unleash it all on
Just to end up with 3 casts of sdance
In a 30 min key
rustic mortar
I'm still in the learning of sub and i have one question reagarding the dance windows: So are we going to Dance -> SS -> ST or are we more like Dance -> SS -> Evi -> SS -> ST
because the sim is doing 2nd one and guides saying first one
wicked joltBOT
Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.
wild hornet
While using sod on prepull for supercharger, do i have to do it in the so said 20 sec before pull or can i do it as soon as im ressed
tepid trellis
ressed
tepid trellis
I'm still in the learning of sub and i have one question reagarding the dance wi...
in your major cd dances you generally wanna use it as first finisher, in the regular dances outside of those you Sectech first if you DONT have 4 stacks of escalating blades and fazed up
void hound
do i get this right kezan is not bis anymore?
vestal escarp
Seems like it
rustic mortar
So if i go into Dance without cds up i just look at my stacks and if i have already escalading blades rdy ill go for evi and after that sectec
and fazed ofc but this should be up anyways regarding symbols and SS
vestal escarp
Most important is to check if the target has fazed debuff
lilac stag
should remember to plug in the keyboard
Foot pedals only this tier.
clever delta
Only saw that pin was 3 days old and did not see edit, so sorry Mr @vale pine
hazy breach
Seems only fitting with the car and all
clever delta
It's pretty cool trans only 0.7 behind
vale pine
Only saw that pin was 3 days old and did not see edit, so sorry Mr <@19480440770...
i just edited it^^
instead of making a new pin
trail sparrow
is it bad to macro shadow blades and flag
hazy breach
yes
lilac stag
Yes
trail sparrow
damn
lilac stag
No macros homie
keen dome
One macro, as a treat (but really, no macros)
vale pine
Just will press bis on everything
this is funny too
trail sparrow
ty for info tho
plush roost
Gotta pray for more assa buffs, so it becomes the premier spec, so i can loot house of cards
Then pray for nerfs and sub becomes the play
keen dome
haha
clever delta
More they nerf it better it is
hazy breach
Why would assa make it more likely you get house of cards?
Just farm priory for assa
rustic mortar
i mean i only have transmitter hc so maybe i can get my hands on house of cards 😄
clever delta
I'm not on pc
lilac stag
this is funny too
This is the real fun. Current gear replacing only 1 trinket.
clever delta
How is trans vs hc house of cards
keen dome
Don't forget to factor in mental of not having to do the fucking cursed minigame 
vale pine
same as before
keen dome
Which is a subjective % increase.
plush roost
Why would assa make it more likely you get house of cards? <:kekdog:907207037757...
Yo don't do this to me i have to cope my way out of this dumb trinket
clever delta
So about same
vale pine
hc is around the level you start to replace it
vale pine
Why would assa make it more likely you get house of cards? <:kekdog:907207037757...
because you can play fatebound, so your luck increases
(just joking)
plush roost
Imagine if they made fatebound assa the play for a tier, and then "fixed" coldblood to work with some random supercharger bug and it somehow bugged coldblood for sub
Haha imagine if that would ever happen with our talents
No way would they fix something for assa and leave sub nerfed from it smile
lethal breach
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
golden hinge
hi do you think is sub still good for m+ after nerfs ?
lilac stag
Imagine if they made fatebound assa the play for a tier, and then "fixed" coldbl...
It already does bug out on sub if you spec fate assa. That’s the joke.
keen dome
hi do you think is sub still good for m+ after nerfs ?
I think it's very purple.
Which is the only metric we need.
lilac stag
Outlaw M+ tier as soon as they stop 
crisp pond
Hi fellow sub gamers, does anyone know a good video for sub, not a beginner but rusty since df s3
keen dome
Eleem and Hacha both have some really good videos on it but I don't recall the link for them.
crisp pond
thanks, i will search for em!
golden hinge
I think it's very purple.
will i get inv then ? XD
keen dome
What key level?
Grinding? Weeklies? Pushing? Super pushing?
because: Yes, yes, probably, I doubt rogue is there anyway.
golden hinge
like doing 15s 16s
keen dome
Yeah probably fine then
Can't predict the future but if you are a good Sub rogue then I don't see why not.
plush roost
It already does bug out on sub if you spec fate assa. That’s the joke.
Wow, ofc it does I'm not even surprised
remote shuttle
@hazy breach can you pls share ur twitch or ytube link?
I'm already following Hacha
sterile kiln
remote shuttle
Ty
weak horizon
For the recent pinned message from Eleem, is the ST build currently the go-to raid build? And the aoe/m+ would be the m+ build or raid build if its cleave/aoe heavy?
hazy breach
Theyre practically identical
weak horizon
hazy breach
The only difference is WM vs TFD
And in a long raid fight TFD is not a thing
Its mostly a M+ thing
(weaponmaster and the first dance)
old kayak
Season
vale pine
who is sezon
lilac stag
Storm is like a .1% loss in ST. Not sure if that’s changed in the builds. Kinda funny that way.
old kayak
New season today or tomorrow?
hazy breach
Its on your regions reset
sly shore
tulip gorge
nimble flurry doesn't work with find weakness right
vestal escarp
You can swat bond and focus
vestal escarp
nimble flurry doesn't work with find weakness right
It does and fazed too now
sly shore
yep
vestal escarp
But it's minimal
vestal escarp
If you're not bping no
Cause you delay escalating blades
Unless you sac both rotten stacks on storm before sectech
Which is equally doodoo
vale pine
New season today or tomorrow?
today for NA, tomorrow for EU
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
random hare
!sod
steel zinc
What cook is this?
narrow night
single target
vestal escarp
bro it's dslice
steel zinc
Oh
vestal escarp
and sim didnt pick imp storm cause dslice doesnt meet targets required
steel zinc
Yeah then it's fine
But 3 is low ds and the sim is weird since first dance accounts imo for so much more
sly shore
It's almost like sims aren't an accurate representation of a specs performance and a guideline to it
vestal escarp
perchance
keen marten
It's almost like sims aren't an accurate representation of a specs performance a...
Nobody ever..
You could change the wor... ah nvm people are people 
hazy breach
and sim didnt pick imp storm cause dslice doesnt meet targets required
Nah dslice averages like 7 targets during its non-boss segment
Fuu just probably forgot to change SF to imp storm (main reason why you shouldnt use SF )
red raven
For the recent pinned message from Eleem, is the ST build currently the go-to ra...
depends if you rate their guides or not, but Echo's sub guide on Maxroll is literally the same build for every boss.
obsidian cloak
So guys, is there a command to explain what to craft? I guess we burn a spark on a dagger first week if we don't play Mythic raid soon, and then translate to 2 others crafts with Embellish?
granite river
depends if you rate their guides or not, but Echo's sub guide on Maxroll is lite...
Yeah but they’re not trying to give away info rn I’d assume
hazy breach
So guys, is there a command to explain what to craft? I guess we burn a spark on...
Craft a dagger if you dont have a myth dagger, then use your next craft to fill in a slot youre missing
Or dont do a second craft at all and upgrade your items instead if that sims higher
clever delta
It's almost like sims aren't an accurate representation of a specs performance a...
This opinion is not allowed on this discord sir 
hazy breach
Embellishments are a meme and barely worth anything anyway
swift crest
do we wait until raid to craft a dagger
if one hasnt dropped by that time in dungeons
red raven
Yeah but they’re not trying to give away info rn I’d assume
possibly, their Assa guides were really good last season tbf
swift crest
yea lol im prob gunna craft it asap anyway
lilac stag
Since it carry strong embellish too
What strong embellishment? None of them are strong.
clever delta
Younwill have offhand with perfect stats worse case scenario
hazy breach
What strong embellishment? None of them are strong.
0.5% 
lilac stag
clever delta
Btw I wanted ask before
hazy breach
swift crest
hazy breach
It did yes
clever delta
I mean does anybody knownifnit work on ptr
nocturne birch
!wa
wicked joltBOT
clever delta
Because if it work it add huge value to freebie on second dagger
final wasp
Value is debatable since offhand is worthless 
lilac stag
Sorry we like stats here
final wasp
💀
hazy breach
They did
swift crest
oh yes they did
final wasp
swift crest
kinda
keen dome
No, it's all there.
lilac stag
<:OMEGALUL:661024001199570944>
The outlaws are still trying to figure out the civilized sub channel
hazy breach
Its just not grouped by "current season"
swift crest
yea
swift crest
why not add it
clever delta
Does anyone have sim of tier set with same ilvl gear on hand btw
swift crest
but i cant upgrade gear from the former season
hazy breach
You can go through the dungeons
swift crest
so we are in a transition season or something
lilac stag
it’s offseason this week
final wasp
final wasp
There is no way
swift crest
they really should have given us M0s this week
clever delta
Value is debatable since offhand is worthless <:Shrug:1198274015798763632>
You will want to upgrade both weapon at some point so it's kinda big when you are crest Gates
Gated
swift crest
just wanna see how many decent daggers are out there
final wasp
You can
swift crest
if a haste crit dagger drops am i upgrading that
final wasp
Just go through the dungeons one by one
lilac stag
just wanna see how many decent daggers are out there
Use droptimizer if dungeon journal is melting your brain.
clever delta
Are you guys pushing your key from zero or sniping someone group for higher key 😄
keen dome
Are you guys pushing your key from zero or sniping someone group for higher key ...
I'm very lazy so I will try to join other people, until I can't. Then I will complain about LFG. Then I'll host my own key.
clever delta
just wanna see how many decent daggers are out there
They are like 4 daggers in dungeons
wispy relic
At this point I've tried all rogue specs a fair amount, and sub is by far my favourite, do you reckon it's worth it to main that, or should I keep trying outlaw/assa. I mainly PvP btw.
swift crest
how many was there s1
keen dome
At this point I've tried all rogue specs a fair amount, and sub is by far my fav...
If you enjoy it, you should absolutely main it imo.
clever delta
I'm very lazy so I will try to join other people, until I can't. Then I will com...
If you join like 8+ key you get your key at +7 at the end
And skip the push
keen dome
If you join like 8+ key you get your key at +7 at the end
Oh that's genius
swift crest
i got crafted then got amyth track dagger early in vault so they werent a big deal for me
lilac stag
You’ll likely need the crests so just run your key up
fleet verge
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
final wasp
Not me. Ill just skip all the tiers and get straight to myth track 
lilac stag
Not me. Ill just skip all the tiers and get straight to myth track <a:Nod:107955...
playing enhance again?
keen dome
six sevens is a good amount of blasting
final wasp
cloud rover
Not me. Ill just skip all the tiers and get straight to myth track <a:Nod:107955...
Playing Feral?
lilac stag
what’s this season?
rain stratus
Do we actually get key from vault, or is m0 required to attain it?
final wasp
Playing Feral?
Feral/warrior
keen dome
Meow shout.
cloud rover
Meownar and Ragenar?
lilac stag
So Woyer
final wasp
A homage to our boi Ronkbonk
lilac stag
Is feral still useless?
swift crest
all this gear has crit on it
lilac stag
all this gear has crit on it
Good thing assa likes crit
lilac stag
have you tried taking a moment to breath?
swift crest
omg we gunna be spending alota time in the rookery then
hazy breach
If by useless you mean if we still bearweave for optimal dps, the answer is yes
Did they atleast get rid of the owl
Or is that still a thing too
fallen crescent
swift crest
why am i playing rogue again
is it harder than sub
actually a few days of playing sub its gone from hard to just annoying, in dungeons at least
crystal bone
just for fun in heroic, have not prog'd with it
its way more fun in raid than m+ imo
swift crest
yea id reckon so too
spice saffron
do we always run the same build in raid or is there any choice nodes we take for more cleave etc
lilac stag
i dont imagine it being to hard in raid
it’s all fun and games until your have to do mechanics
swift crest
subs more punishing than pressing kingsbane and then having to do some shit?
hazy breach
do we always run the same build in raid or is there any choice nodes we take for...
No difference no
Only thing you can change is weaponmaster for the first dance for m+, but seeing as you never go out of combat in raid fights its not a thing there
distant plinth
is there a weak aura or smthg to tell you to use Symbols after you get rezzed in raid?
final wasp
Did they atleast get rid of the owl
Owl is dead, need more thoughts and prayers to get rid of bear too
hazy breach
Owl is dead, need more thoughts and prayers to get rid of bear too
Truly a grizly fate
rain stratus
wait if you dont have transmitter but only a Skardins, do you hold it for every blades/flag combo, or just send it and let it line up when it lines up?
rain stratus
Yea I am promised the first HoC at least
swift crest
i got a max myth skardyns and a heroic tranmistter, transmitter sims higher as of now
hazy breach
i got a max myth skardyns and a heroic tranmistter, transmitter sims higher as o...
Pretty sure lfr transmitter sims higher
fallen crescent
Do we take improved storm in raid are there any fights that warrant it?
hazy breach
Atleast it did before the nerfs
leaden prairie
Owl is dead, need more thoughts and prayers to get rid of bear too
Lucky owl?
Loved that guy
Sad
hazy breach
Do we take improved storm in raid are there any fights that warrant it?
Just take it anyway because shadow focus (the alternative) is completely useless
lilac stag
Do we take improved storm in raid are there any fights that warrant it?
Yes. It’s only .1-.2 behind SF in ST
swift crest
when should i upload my raid bis list
swift crest
have the new transmitter nerfs come into the sim
leaden prairie
Gg
hazy breach
Shadow focus equates to 1 backstab roughly every 2:30-3 minutes
swift crest
oh dang
runic mountain
Hi - is both Deathstalker and Tricker viable? Or what's the go?
swift crest
so i mayaswell do it now then
keen dome
Shadow focus equates to 1 backstab roughly every 2:30-3 minutes
That is comically low, geez.
runic mountain
Oh thx, missed that one line in the pins, lol
rain stratus
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
hazy breach
heady compass
**__Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges:__**```
#showtooltip Symbo...
does this work with shadow dance too, or is there no need ?
heady compass
oh, thx
silver ferry
!wa
wicked joltBOT
worn cape
At what crest level is it worth crafting the dagger? I was thinking carved/ runed, but not sure if I should just wait for gilded.
hazy breach
If you have access to gilded crest theres no point crafting anything lower
keen dome
10 gilded per +7 timed, too. So it's quite accesible in theory.
lilac stag
the heroic crest dagger is like a 3% uppy
so if you’re not poor just make it and recraft to mythic
keen dome
If the kill Gallywix quest is live then that's a veyr quick and easy heroic dagger at least.
lilac stag
mmhm
keen dome
Although it is 'wasting' 45 crests I guess.
lilac stag
Not really
cloud rover
Not really
keen dome
But you can't use them for two weeks so
lilac stag
We’re spark capped
cloud rover
and at the point you get the second spark
keen dome
Yeah
keen dome
Absolutely, so ye. Def not a bad use of the crest week 1 as an interim to gilded
since it's more DAM
cloud rover
Is there a kill gallywix quest already
keen dome
Not yet
cloud rover
Ok good
keen dome
I'm not sure if it goes live with S2, or next week.
cloud rover
i thouhgt i missed it
vocal garnet
st import string from the pin takes imp storm instead of shadow focus, was it intended?
keen dome
We don't have the final two chapters yet which'll activate with S2, so I assume it'll be at the end of those.
But Ansurek's was a week? after the raid went live.
So they might be delaying it again since it'll no doubt coincide with the story mode? But who knoooows I do not.
lilac stag
should be a story quest
cloud rover
if that was the case
keen dome
Yeah
keen dome
Hopefully I'm wrong and it's live tomorrow 'cos that'd be the ideal situation.
hazy breach
Shadow focus is close to completely useless, so yes its intended
vocal garnet
that's big lmao
gritty gorge
Can anyone else not send warbond currencies?
fallen crescent
Is it still a gain to spam ruptures before flag comes up?
swift tinsel
Can anyone else not send warbond currencies?
its disabled
keen dome
@lilac stag there was something I was meant to remind you about today but I've forgotten..
lilac stag
Siren
gritty gorge
its disabled
ty, do we know why?
upper narwhal
wild how the M+ build and ST build swap one talent, and wilder how TFD is good even for raid
keen dome
When 11.1 went live, the dumbass bug was back with it and causing issues in raids / guild rosters / etc.
So I assume it's that.
swift tinsel
Our tree isn't great so talents are just what's least bad in a lot of cases
hazy breach
You pick all the 5%+ talents, and then youre left with a couple of 1% talents to choose from
sly shore
we don't use tfd in st do we
upper narwhal
Yeah the middle of the tree has some real garbage
sly shore
yeah we don't
swift tinsel
at shorter fight lengths its a gain over WM
swift tinsel
not until fights are like 3-4mins or lower
lilac stag
we don't use tfd in st do we
3:45 is the break even ish in ST
upper narwhal
I mean "short" fights are like 4 mins for TFD
sly shore
See previous statement like 20s ago
upper narwhal
4 mins will be kill times for some bosses already since we're going in with good gear compared to S1
probably not in mythic ofc
worn cape
If you have access to gilded crest theres no point crafting anything lower
I'll try doing a 7 this week then. How hard would that be first week?
upper narwhal
also any boss that you press storm in WM loses value
upper narwhal
yeah that's the funny part, the pure St talent barely has any value and somehow still has ways to lose value
slate lantern
I'll try doing a 7 this week then. How hard would that be first week?
with a group with good s1 gear, not hard. pugging
swift tinsel
its almost like our talents aren't tuned very well
upper narwhal
taking the cleave rupture talent over pure ST talents in patchwork fights is perfectly balanced
swift tinsel
if there are st fights that force you off the boss and you cast storm one or more times it's better than wm I bet
runic mountain
Need some help. I'm a new rogue in s1 that start as assasin. might try sub in a week or so, but im running out of keybinds and dont want to confuse too much. But are there generally cooldowns that map to assasisn that i can replace? looking a tthe rotation and cd usage looks pretty confusing 😅
swift crest
why is imp shurkan storm in the st pin
swift tinsel
why is imp shurkan storm in the st pin
swift crest
i havnt seen the fights, do they mostly have adds or something
plush roost
Some have adds, most do not require you to press storm. Pinned build is just for ease of choice really
Take SF if you want that 1 extra backstab
rain stratus
i havnt seen the fights, do they mostly have adds or something
Shadow Focus just doesnt do anything
swift crest
either does shurkan storm if therers not a single add
hazy breach
Shadow focus is barely enough damage for the sim to realize its a damage gain
lilac stag
It gets you a better defensive.
plush roost
It gets you a better defensive.
Also this
hazy breach
What
upper narwhal
All our damage comes from CDs where energy does not matter, and even out of CDs SF gives so little energy it does not matter
swift crest
what defensive
mortal trout
Should we craft the dagger with first spark?
hazy breach
Well ye
lilac stag
I will take shield all day
hazy breach
But the healing one is better in raid
rain swallow
starting from how many targets do we cast shuriken storm outside of SD as a builder?
2 targets or 7?
rain stratus
Depends whether you have flawless form up or not
hazy breach
2
swift tinsel
I think the shield was like 16mil absorbed from the last h clear log I looked at of ours
between both the heal and absorb
acoustic lodge
Good morning pumpers!
Will it be required to delay CB for the 2nd ST cast since the nerf?
lilac stag
yes
rain stratus
If you wanan do 1% more damage
acoustic lodge
Thanks pumpers
plush roost
What a pleasant exchange
hollow spear
Indeed pumper
spice saffron
is sectec still bugged to not benefit from shadowblades
plush roost
No
U can press on sec tec or before the shadows hit between your next global and it benefits
spice saffron
that was my next question, thanks
swift crest
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.You're in position 15 in the waiting line for your "House of Cards" trinket.
hollow spear
XD
lilac stag
sly shore
swift crest
which class it is mega bis for
sly shore
everyone
swift crest
ima farm that knife like no tomorrow
lilac stag
Sub rogue
hazy breach
A bunch of those people infront of you likely would not have it as a large increase if they had the trinket from priory
swift crest
was my daily knife all s1
digital aspen
which class it is mega bis for
me 🙂
hazy breach
Whereas you dont have any options besides house of cards
hollow spear
The bad news is that it's -0,4% if I replace Transmitter
hollow snow
Guys if you jump 3 times before rolling on HoC/putting in your lootcouncil sim you get the trinket
sly shore
transmitter nerf was so big guys
hollow spear
I posted the best case scenario already
hollow snow
I swear
hollow spear
A bunch of those people infront of you likely would not have it as a large incre...
That's a big if
There's someone with 625 ilvl putting their droptimizer in our wowaudit
cringe
swift crest
wow it drops from first first just realized
everyones gunna get one
wait it doesnt
hollow spear
wdym first, hoc drops from 6th
sly shore
it drops from bandit
swift crest
was looking at wrong order
hollow snow
Ripbozo
swift crest
heroic version big upgrade for me
swift tinsel
how many 1.5min specs are there besides us, UHDK, fury
hollow spear
still need to update my wowaudit, any % improvement counts lul
hazy breach
Arms, (kindof) arcane
hollow snow
Uhdk and fury both have alternatives
swift tinsel
ah true forgot arcane
narrow night
how many 1.5min specs are there besides us, UHDK, fury
house of cards is bis for a lot of classes afaik bc all the trinkets are so ass
hazy breach
Yes but for a lot of classes its like 0.3% better than priory
hollow snow
Maybe they nerf cards
hazy breach
Because theyre 2 minute classes anyway
hollow spear
yeah, we're mostly competing with 90s classes
hazy breach
But ye trinkets suck ass in S2
hollow spear
are there any 90s classes who have shitty mastery scaling?
hazy breach
Just like it wouldve in S1 if we didnt have transmitter or spymaster
swift crest
heroic i
hollow spear
But ye trinkets suck ass in S2
First embellishments, now trinkets. What's next?
swift tinsel
all the 1.5min specs I know of really like mastery so its the perfect storm of competition
hollow snow
Imagine another transmitter nerf
swift tinsel
even tho we benefit so much from it
hollow spear
yeah, because bad scaling for them means 15 dps per stat
wild hornet
First embellishments, now trinkets. What's next?
Weapons
hazy breach
First embellishments, now trinkets. What's next?
Its probably to allow hero talents to have a bigger impact on your damage share
hollow spear
which is close to our mastery, which is our best stat lul
hazy breach
Thats the only thing that makes sense, why everything would be so much worse numerically this expac
muted agate
sabolty rog
rain stratus
I feel like I land on 5 cps way too often in dances
hazy breach
Ye that because 3+2=5
And strike gives 3, with one proc of shadowcrafted sht makes 5
hollow spear
swift crest
lel
hollow spear
I guess that changes with people getting priory
swift crest
u aint getting no cards
hollow spear
but that's a ripbozo
swift crest
i cant see my guildies wishlists on our wow audit
hollow spear
and half the guild hasn't even updated theirs
sly shore
I know for a fact I'm not getting heroic when it's a dps loss
warm marlin
just vendor transmitter by accident
swift crest
I know for a fact I'm not getting heroic when it's a dps loss
its a dps loss in heroic track for you?
sly shore
yes
hollow spear
new baseline trinkets for droptimizer unlocked
swift tinsel
now you're getting it
keen yew
Thanks for the tips man I'll just say I've lost the transmitter if they ask where it is
hollow spear
I am so fine with a 0,4% dps loss if I don't have to do these fckn transmitter tasks anymore
pastel rampart
but the urge is there ngl
use the pvp badge trinket, ilvl should be decent enough to not look sus on overview but sim will be awful :^)
hollow spear
especially considering transmitter is probably a 10% dps loss if you cannot find your orb during the melee fiesta
lilac stag
gonna run 639 skar over 626 transmitter just to not worry about transmitter with new mechanics.
real big brain play
rain stratus
And strike gives 3, with one proc of shadowcrafted sht makes 5
Do you always go for 6 tho no matter what, or just send 5?
warm marlin
imagine sandbagging with skardyn when you can sandbag with this badboy
swift crest
-2% dps loss
hollow spear
good for you, I have a 639 transmitter and a 626 skardyns lmao
hazy breach
Do you always go for 6 tho no matter what, or just send 5?
Ye go 6
lilac stag
good for you, I have a 639 transmitter and a 626 skardyns lmao
Card also uppy 
meager apex
how do you play skardyn tho ? it's a 2 min cd
lilac stag
3
swift tinsel
every other blades
hazy breach
how do you play skardyn tho ? it's a 2 min cd
Pretend its 3 minutes
Just like orc racials
meager apex
i see
swift crest
hollow spear
every other blades
Every time someone says "every other", it reminds me of the legendary bodybuilding forum post about training every other day
slate lantern
Every time someone says "every other", it reminds me of the legendary bodybuildi...
8 days in a week, no such thing as half a day
hoary bloom
are there gonna be new consumables for s2 guys?
rain stratus
Ye go 6
Yea alright, thanks! I actually thought it would be less damage to force 6 and maybe lose out on a finisher in dance, than sending 5!
hollow spear
well, you're still getting a shadowstrike in place of a finisher
which is big dam
Doing normal/heroic Nerubar gives Valorstones still?
(I'm EU)
swift tinsel
it did this past week
swift tinsel
You think so? I figured they'd stop dropping stones bc its relevant currency and not current content anymore
warm marlin
is the 1 minute pvp trinket simbait or a semi viable transmitter alternative for us that did not farm one in s1
I think itll be 636 with new season launch
and upgradable a bit obv
lilac stag
that should be an easy trinket to get. Just some bgs I think
hollow spear
what ilvl is your skardyns?
warm marlin
626
lilac stag
@molten citrus what’s the easiest way for 636 pvp gear
tranquil garden
As expected, transmitter ate another nerf.
Sooner I can get rid of it the better
hollow spear
As expected, transmitter ate another nerf.
which is inconsequential lol
small juniper
So you want the conquest one
u can craft it at 650 tho
would be with haste
dunno how to sim it
lilac stag
What’s it called?
small juniper
should be prized combatant's badge?
might be wrong
aspirant
not combatant
i sim it
its very bad
41.3k worse than transmitter
at 650
hazy breach
Ye way worse than transmitter, but possibly better than a 2 minute like skardyn
vale pine
As expected, transmitter ate another nerf.
its not changing much ^^
tranquil garden
14.5% nerf so far. I was pretty confident that it would eat another nerf (and it did), less so that it'll see a third though. Anyone want to get a betting pool going?
lilac stag
Ye way worse than transmitter, but possibly better than a 2 minute like skardyn
636 is better than 639 skr
this is the 652(?)
hollow spear
not bad
lilac stag
heroic hoc
warm marlin
639 transmitter vs. 658 pvp trink vs. 645 pvp trink (max upgrade without heroic crests) vs. 626 skardyn
not bad at all
hollow spear
I thought you had a transmitter?
hollow spear
still miles ahead of the pvp trinket
warm marlin
if you're willing to drop some new heroic crests the full upgrade pvp thing seems about equal (0.2%) to heroic transmitter
tranquil garden
okay that's great news actually. time for some mild pvp
steep raven
How far can you upgrade glad trinket?
swift crest
at what point do u do some pvp then
i wanna pick up quests and go keys
when servers up
tranquil garden
having to burn heroic crests on it is a little annoying given the weekly caps though
decisions, decisions
steel zinc
its not changing much ^^
HoC is 5k dps upgrade hc and 15k from mythic transmitter. So it's fine
But rogue needs changes reverted and bugs fixed
lilac stag
it's a loss, can we see your sim?
steel zinc
it's a loss, can we see your sim?
Yes transmitter is a 5.5k dps loss
swift tinsel
I'm thankful for the nerf bc I can replace mine early
lilac stag
Yes transmitter is a 5.5k dps loss
no
steel zinc
It is
swift tinsel
potentially tonight lol
sly shore
It's not
swift crest
pissed i didnt buy a acidic loop
lilac stag
double on use sims kekw
steel zinc
double on use sims kekw
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kFBNbMKu2dLNRKzLZG43ip mythic is 25k not 15
hexed sluice
Still rocking the normal transmitter unless this final vault blurses me, hoping not so I can just replace it with anything
steel zinc
idk transmitter is fine
just its omega bad that S2 has one good 90 sec on use trinket
thats it
and every class wants it
golden kelp
and every class wants it
atleast most classes has signet simming very close to HoC, which is nice for atleast HC i guess
hollow spear
dunno, there were quite some classes that competed for transmitter too
lilac stag
the omega bad is youre not getting it for a minor upgrade
639 is still ahead of everything but mythic hoc
base is Skar
so if you have one, get comfy still playing transmitter
steel zinc
the omega bad is youre not getting it for a minor upgrade
yeah heroic one is w/e 5k dps is when your simming our numbers this addon nothing
swift crest
theres a better on use for m+ right?
steel zinc
Ill play transmitter probably whole prog
swift crest
its really annoying in dungeons i feel
steel zinc
theres a better on use for m+ right?
they are 2min (well house of cards not) but the rest
sly shore
Yeah the whole idea is that their 2m trinket is close enough to the 1.5m
steel zinc
ill play transmitter also in m+ pretty much need a 90 sec trinket to do burst in m+ imo
lilac stag
mmhm
steel zinc
if your a 2min class you shouldnt be prio for 90 sec trinket
Warriors yes they need hoc
lilac stag
Just put in note you have no other trinket options
golden kelp
I pray for the pug rogues this season
swift tinsel
make house of cards a minigame trinket but the minigame is having Stealth in your spellbook
ezclap
steel zinc
I hope everyone got the transmitter toy. Only can get it in the outside world
sly shore
I got it
swift tinsel
tried to get it for one of my guildmates and we sat for almost an hour and it never popped lol
hollow spear
what's that good for?
swift tinsel
looking cool
hexed sluice
It has only ever proceed for me when I engage a 100m plus hp rare elite
hazy breach
I hope everyone got the transmitter toy. Only can get it in the outside world
Can get it on dummies too
hexed sluice
It's at least 7 extra DPS while you have the buff active from the toy for looking cool
swift tinsel
Yeah dummies are where its spawned for me the most
hollow spear
that's probably where you've spent the most time haha
digital aspen
can you guys hook me up with the "dont press backstab in shadow dance" macro please
hollow spear
it's the put them on the same keybind
fallen crescent
can you guys hook me up with the "dont press backstab in shadow dance" macro ple...
Just unbind it from ur stealth bar?
digital aspen
Just unbind it from ur stealth bar?
not using it on stealth bar, I just use the same keybind for both
#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab
full wyvern
I think you can use /cast [stance] Shadowstrike; Backstab
digital aspen
this should work?
then again, doesnt fix the issue that i press the keybind too fast when entering dance and accidentally hitting Backstab
should probably just bind them seperately
hazy breach
636 is better than 639 skr
Yep its fine. Not great like a 90s trinket ofc since youre delaying a 60s trinket but better than having a on-use less cd set with a 2 min trinket atleast
lilac stag
nah that shield is coming down before 2 min
keen dome
Has to or you wipe
hazy breach
Ye its at like 1:40
hollow spear
just tell your guild to stop damage
hazy breach
And its a 45 second long amp
hollow spear
are you telling me it's a double on use angle?
hazy breach
So you probably just send as usual
hollow spear
:^)
hazy breach
Ig you could use priory if you wanted then
But i dont think it matters much
Priory is slightly less stats but its for 20s instead of 15
jaunty heath
Whats eta on NA being up from now? (I'm assuming its getting pushed back by like 5 hours anyways but still curious)
swift tinsel
3.5 hrs I think
fallen crescent
3.5
swift tinsel
barring extendo
keen dome
I wish all NA rogues a very accurate uptime
(So you can find all the bugs and issues and I can see them before I go to bed)
pure jay
how tricky is sub these days? easy to pick up?
pure jay
last played it really on ras back in DF, been sin for palace.
pure dust
how tricky is sub these days? easy to pick up?
it feels like Kyrian Arcane from S2 Shadowlands. Looks complicated, but once you get into it its not bad. There is definite thinking involved though.
pure jay
seems like subs the pick for prog so need to be prepped for it
hazy breach
Its effectively just:
Learn the opener
Learn what to do inbetween the 90s to not screw up the next burst
Learn to do the opener again at 90s
fallen crescent
And do ur tasks
keen dome
seems like subs the pick for prog so need to be prepped for it
Practice, practice, ask questions, practice more.
Just keep at it and Sub is pretty fun.
hazy breach
M+ when you have to delay your stuff it can get a little complicated to play it perfectly
pure jay
good cheat sheet anywhere or just the guide on wowhead?
pure dust
good cheat sheet anywhere or just the guide on wowhead?
the rotation guide is very good
hazy breach
But its always better to err on the safe side to use too few dances so you always have 2x for blades
!guides
hazy breach
Any of these will do, whatever format seems easiest for you to learn from
willow pawn
But its always better to err on the safe side to use too few dances so you alway...
Can we send symbols without dance?
If we are waiting for two dances for blades
hazy breach
Yes sometimes, but in m+ with aoe you often have enough for dances anyway
pure jay
im glad sub plays with trickster over deathstalker, i was not enjoying DS in the end there
shadow lance
Did some keys to get used to sub again before start of season.
Omfg it's so good to be back on this spec
shadow lance
Exactly
sand ore
karmic hull
afk mode after cold blood sec tech
worthy axle
yea best part is the second tech with cb
sly shore
unbind snd
worthy axle
yep
shadow lance
It's 1% diff
marble oracle
wdym unbind snd?
wild hornet
Anyone got a weakaura for the boss pull timer clock?
wild hornet
wdym unbind snd?
He meant and
marble oracle
so i basically dont need to press snd or hwat
shadow lance
Yep
wild hornet
shadow lance
If you don't have snd up, eviscerate give you 10 sec
wild hornet
snd is not a button anymore
Wasnt there a very niche situation that ud use it
vestal escarp
Me when i press cold blooded sectech in flag+blades
-5% 
wild hornet
In mplus specifically
sly shore
no
hazy breach
What do you do when you open a pack with 6 cp+
Dont 
Just bp air or snd before
So your shadowstrike cp isnt getting wasted
median nacelle
any1 know if u can make default UI show cd on symbols and dance when only one of the charges is on cd?
shadow lance
So your shadowstrike cp isnt getting wasted
You don't keep premeditation buff if you go out of stealth?
median nacelle
with numbers that is
median nacelle
any1 know if u can make default UI show cd on symbols and dance when only one of...
remote rapids
we shouldn't have sparks yet right? like fractured ones, just the quest?
hazy breach
You don't keep premeditation buff if you go out of stealth?
You do
woeful rain
when do we swap HC transmitter now???
barren gulch
sparks start this week
remote rapids
ok, but first craft probably next week?
iron fjord
!fuu
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hazy breach
So you can do finisher > builder > finisher?
You could ye