where they completely demolish then forget for 1 year and a half
#subtlety
rain stratus
Yea same level for sure xd
alpine wraith
lots more people play assa right now
thorn stream
Yea same level for sure xd
its not about rotation sin ez sub complicate
hollow spear
Way more
alpine wraith
remember combat used to be the raiding spec and you were trolling by playing assa or sub
hollow spear
I kinda loved combat back in MoO
alpine wraith
things change kinda
hollow spear
But that's nostalgia speaking
rain stratus
its not about rotation sin ez sub complicate
Doesnt make them equal outputwise my friend
thorn stream
about dps i think at the same level dps metter
sub dont have any issue for padding small add or burst big add but sin have
void ocean
is it just me or the last 3 bosses have a bit too much mechanics 😄
rain stratus
about dps i think at the same level dps metter
Of course. But the buffs to Sin and nerfs to Sub doesn't make them equal outputwise, yet.
thorn stream
is it just me or the last 3 bosses have a bit too much mechanics 😄
🙂 yea have too much mechanic
void ocean
was watching a vid for hc the other day, guy talks for 5 mins and then be like "then we go to our first intermission..." 😄
lilac stag
wonder how many 5m patchwerks fights are in mythic. 
void ocean
just cant wait to see the first Slot Machine boss on a pug raid
ppl submitting the same combo and wiping the raid
keen dome
Don't play it then.
oak rune
not an option have to do decent to get gear
cursive vapor
pressing a juicy sectec is better than sex
void ocean
imho sub rotation atm is the best in years
upper narwhal
Mr blizzard has a gun to my head and he's making me log in
lilac stag
Imagine thinking you’re forced to do anything in WoW
oak rune
Kill shit faster is more gear
haughty mural
hollow spear
My landlord will evict me if I don't parse orange
oak rune
No but if you do login don’t you want to do damage
void ocean
my wife will cheat on me with a ret
lilac stag
My landlord will evict me if I don't parse orange
But what spec?
hollow spear
Aug
upper narwhal
If I don't play the top 1% dps meta spec I'm worthless and feel ashamed yeah
I don't just play the specs I enjoy
hollow spear
PSA: if parsing at least orange is important to you, don't play sub
upper narwhal
Getting high ranks on sub is easier than getting high parses
haughty mural
being forced to play sub when season is not even out
tribal blade
might be a bit easier to parse if people bandwagon sub
void ocean
wait, where does the orange start
hollow spear
You need to be a top 10 player to be orange
tribal blade
but parsing as sub last tier was hard af
upper narwhal
Me without mythic transmitter
haughty mural
yea because you parse always that good 
hollow spear
You're competing with people who've played this spec since alpha and have subtlety rogue bed sheets
hollow spear
I swear
oak rune
Not really the point you want to stay competitive with other classes
void ocean
true sub sleeps on the floor
oak rune
Hard when your spec is doing ass damage
void ocean
no bed sheets
oak rune
No pun intended
upper narwhal
Outlaw is doing 3% less dps than Sub, unplayable you are griefing if you pick it
plush roost
Arms gonna carry the entire raid on its back
upper narwhal
Skill will not make up the difference
lilac stag
Arms gonna carry the entire raid on its back
Until the fotm are all the first two deaths every pull
alpine wraith
best part about things will be in 1 day when assa gets to execute super hyped lets goo
then does 500k less dps than arms on execute
hollow spear
Watch rogue as a spec get executed from the rwf roster on the last three bosses
lilac stag
can’t have arms getting parried
lilac stag
Feature
upper narwhal
hidden raid buff
hollow spear
Sorry
plush roost
Atro is more than enough and there are way more specs to cut then rogue haha
alpine wraith
can’t have arms getting parried
THAT FUCKER PARRIED MY WARBREAKER
where is the cli
primal fulcrum
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
lilac stag
THAT FUCKER PARRIED MY WARBREAKER
I liked watching KB get parried when I was on warrior. swap to sub pls.
swift tinsel
One parried execute will be the difference between world first and world second
hollow spear
Max, why did you bring exile on rogue? - We didn't want to have our five arms warrior stack get parried.
alpine wraith
tanks are also happy
lilac stag
Thinking max knows anything about sub. 5head
void ocean
btw where is Jpc
alpine wraith
studying
lilac stag
Gone to learn
alpine wraith
imagine
plush roost
Becoming smarter
void ocean
dont remember seeing him last rwf
alpine wraith
he could just be like us and be old
cursive vapor
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
swift tinsel
It’s so he can play sub better right
lilac stag
or just going into major debt. Hopefully smarter.
lilac stag
Ret paladin?
plush roost
True
lilac stag
that spec must be impossible. Fuckers never use their utility
swift tinsel
Ret paladin requires becoming one with all living things in the universe
void ocean
Harvard Outlaw
swift tinsel
lol come to think of it our holy paladins are usually the only ones using utility outside of freedom
And there’s typically only one of them at a time lol
tribal blade
i've played with quite a few good rets while key pushing, they're very valuable when they have a brain
it's like having a secondary healer in the group
the actual true power of ret is the guy who's mostly using utility and off healing while dpsing
bad rets are worthless, just pad machines
upper narwhal
There's more to ret than pressing the glowy buttons?
swift tinsel
Since their builders and finishers do the same damage they can throw out WoGs and not lose too much
tribal blade
There's more to ret than pressing the glowy buttons?
pressing health bars 😉
swift tinsel
Not many rets know this
upper narwhal
Please educate my ret pugs on this forbidden knowledge
tribal blade
i played with a ret who was constantly going on about his WoGs haha
IM HELPING
WoG WoG WoG
remote shuttle
but parsing as sub last tier was hard af
Ye and u abd some guys here are part of that problem 😂 setting the line so high 😳
tribal blade
Ye and u abd some guys here are part of that problem 😂 setting the line so high...
sorry 😭
remote shuttle
Ahah wish one day i will master sub like u guys do
tribal blade
i may have had a direct affect in getting us nerfed this week boys, i'm sorry
went too hard in raid
remote shuttle
Can u play bad and log for a couple days to let us get some buff?
hazy breach
No 
swift tinsel
No sandbag sub
tribal blade
haha i'm not gonna be playing well seeing the fights for the first time
remote shuttle
Well... S1 my best m+ was a 14... Yesterday i timed a NW 17... 😊
tribal blade
No <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
true and real
tribal blade
Well... S1 my best m+ was a 14... Yesterday i timed a NW 17... 😊
WELL
i hate to burst your bubble
lilac stag
hahah
tribal blade
but that was basically a 12
remote shuttle
We are overtuned af
remote shuttle
Ye affix in 15s is 190% dmg and hp... S1 was like 300%
But some dmg here and there doesn't scale with affix so u can still be blasted in 16s 17s by couple spelll/effects
leaden prairie
The damage also scale down right it's not just health
remote shuttle
Also doing like 200 to 400 k more dmg overall in m+
tribal blade
10% aura buff and trickster buffs goes hard 😉
remote shuttle
Ye week1 and week2 we'll be blasting
swift tinsel
I intend to keep blasting well beyond that
remote shuttle
My best dawn breaker before PS was like 1.8M overall (a 14)... Tried a 15 and did like 2.2M 😬😳 i know that is not regular season but same was so good to feel that dps increase
solar geode
hi everyone are we excited for season 2 ^.^
remote shuttle
A lot, exp for the 1st week 😂🤣
solar geode
glad to hear fuck the doomers
remote shuttle
Hell yeah it’s sub season
😊 Yeeee 😂 tbh i landed in wow on DF s2 and played only sub till now so y, it's always sub season for me 🤣🤣
Didn't even touch assa all tww s1
solar geode
i say this even though this is gonna be my first season playing rogue
this game is so strange
swift tinsel
I played sin in a few delves and a few m+ but sub is way more fun
remote rapids
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
remote shuttle
Playing sub is somehow like playing pvp when u do pve to me 😂
tribal blade
can't wait to swap to sin for the end bosses
remote shuttle
can't wait to swap to sin for the end bosses
Think will be a must do dps wise?
tribal blade
Think will be a must do dps wise?
more so that the boss has an important execute phase that's static
tidal marsh
It's a must do
tribal blade
so doing more dps to the boss earlier doesn't help
tidal marsh
Boss is unkillable otherwise
tribal blade
depends on your comp
like my comp has an arms warr and arcane mage
and sub is not exactly a slouch in ST dps so it's probably fine
hazy breach
Just depends on how long the phase is expected to last
tribal blade
my guild doesn't prog the raid as fast as HoF guilds so we'll have more gear going into that boss too
hazy breach
For example its like 2 min exactly
Sub is likely better even though assa has execute, becuase you get two cds
dull wigeon
Yea two blades has gotta be close if not as good
tribal blade
yeah but if it's like 3 min
hazy breach
if you have cds up at the start of it that is
dull wigeon
Aint no way
alpine wraith
well cant know until we get there
thankfully liquid and echo will show us in less than 2 weeks
tribal blade
we'll see what happens
alpine wraith
and even then no parry masterrace
remote shuttle
Sub is likely better even though assa has execute, becuase you get two cds
Wish so...
tribal blade
the version of the boss the RWF guilds do is not gonna be the same as what my guild does
dull wigeon
Yea ill be pulling the 3rd round of nerfs version of whatever it is so its nbd lmao
alpine wraith
well even when you get there chances are you have worse gear
tribal blade
i can see the execute phase not being anywhere as deadly as it will be on launch
alpine wraith
people understimate the lvl of prowess RFW do on their gear
tribal blade
true
alpine wraith
if they nerf it some months into it diff thing
tribal blade
oh there's the raid buff thing as well right
alpine wraith
they might nerf a bit thug zee
on mythic that fight is too busy
yea i dont remembr when it begins
tribal blade
yeah mug zee just on normal has a lot going on already
dull wigeon
Theres a couple bosses that its just visual overload and some of the visuals mean nothing
Its wild
tribal blade
they very clearly want this tier to be visually impressive
a lot of the M+ mechanics are also VERY flashy
keen dome
Yeah
stone robin
does anyone know if the increased dmg phase from Vexie lines up with flag etc.?
tribal blade
depends on when you put the last bike into the boss
earliest is like 1:15 iirc
latest just over 2 mins
hazy breach
The increased damage phase lasts like 45 seconds
leaden prairie
so doing more dps to the boss earlier doesn't help
depends no?
hazy breach
Most likely gonna be procced around 1:45ish
hazy breach
Well queen doesnt phase on percentages
leaden prairie
yes im stupid
hazy breach
Its just time based
tribal blade
yes im stupid
WE are stupid
alpine wraith
queen is the only rare avatar like boss we have had in ages
leaden prairie
thanks
alpine wraith
where all dmg matters
lethal yew
Do you all think it's worth crafting a 675 knife on day 1/week 1 or waiting until vault next week? My guild plans on running 10s this weekend so there is a small chance of getting a myth dagger in the vault I suppose
dull wigeon
Do you all think it's worth crafting a 675 knife on day 1/week 1 or waiting unti...
Imo send it on 1st reset after a week of farming plus vault
hazy breach
If you feel like you can "afford" to be like 5% weaker the first week for a chance at a small gain on like week 2 through 4 go ahead
alpine wraith
i plan to craft weapon as early as possible
use my hc enchanted to do m+
then raid likely as i wont have much time
then on thursday get the 675
wont step into mythic until monday
cant just do all content with a much weaker wep
lilac stag
you’re using it as an offhand worse case and yay you got an even better dagger week 1. Win win
lethal yew
We are going straight into heroic next week so I was thinking that 5% would be nice to have, especially since I'm a trial competing against another rogue lol
alpine wraith
yes if you can degen m+ the morning
lilac stag
two rogues. Imagine that.
hazy breach
Main thing is that even if you do get a weapon, you havent really wasted that much since you can just use it in offhand and use the crests savings to upgrade your myth track dagger 
lilac stag
I really don’t get the crafting fear of making a dagger.
tribal blade
i don't have enough time to do more than a few keys before my raid, sad
alpine wraith
likely they fixed it tho
yea same
i can do some in the morning and some in the evening before raid but not many
tribal blade
not a huge deal since i'm my guild's only rogue
alpine wraith
morning will be like doing campaign + some low keys
lilac stag
I’m walking in Tuesday with a 645 dagger. Wont have time to get keys done
lethal yew
Luckily I've got all day Wednesday to grind out keys and crests before raid that night
lilac stag
Delve grinding for new knife
hazy breach
Atleast theres the energy drink now too
lilac stag
Yea
hazy breach
So not technically twice as likely, but close to
Since theres a couple of extra items overall
lilac stag
I enjoy delves so I’m not bothered
alpine wraith
kiss of death will troll us
jolly pasture
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vestal escarp
Pacemaker club
keen dome
Me'n the boys trinket club
alpine wraith
the useless candle
swift tinsel
Rogue be nimble, rogue be quick
lilac stag
the real question, low keys just run no KB assa and blast or not. Hahah
keen dome
MAXIMUM EFFORT: All purple
round thistle
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.Don't want to go into my first raid with a mild burnout
lilac stag
I have to check trinket ilvls on siren isle tomorrow. Would be hilarious if those ilvls went up with s2. Gimme a lantern
hollow spear
Better play no kb bleed sin and forget how to play sub in the span of a day
keen dome
haha, true
lilac stag
I mean low keys sub is not playing sub 
keen dome
I have to check trinket ilvls on siren isle tomorrow. Would be hilarious if thos...
Someone mentioned to me in-game they saw some 610 stuff so maybe
Would be hilarious
vestal escarp
I mean low keys sub is not playing sub <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
It's chill
lilac stag
Someone remind me tomorrow
hollow spear
Imagine a 639 ilvl bell
vestal escarp
Just send when you know shit doesnt die before any dance ends
hollow spear
Or higher
haughty mural
in low keys you are there to blast bosses
hollow spear
I'd cream my pants
haughty mural
keen dome
Someone remind me tomorrow
🫡
hollow spear
Tomorrow is going to be a lot of catch up after weeks of procrastinating
keen dome
Tomorrow is my homework day. Week 1 AotC via pugging will commence on Weds.
So I have to memorise some of the fights since I'm gonna lead the pugs this tier
haughty mural
are you on EU ?
keen dome
Ye
haughty mural
i did remember correct then
swift tinsel
be brave, be strong
hollow spear
Pug aotc
keen dome
Excited to be called many horrible things by random people in pugs.
lilac stag
Mostly EU in here
haughty mural
ye ik
lilac stag
Prophet is like adopted NA
swift tinsel
I only know about a few poeple's NA/EU alignment lol
hollow spear
I always had a hunch you're some kind of masochist
lilac stag
but already deported
haughty mural
Excited to be called many horrible things by random people in pugs.
perhaps someday i snipe yours
Prophet is from hong kong, no?
hollow spear
Why would you do that?
lilac stag
Plays on N.A.
keen dome
Same name in here as in-game so if you ever see one of mine listed, do apply. I always invite other Rogues, esp if they need gear.
haughty mural
Plays on N.A.
yea that i know
hollow spear
We can call you horrible things here
swift tinsel
I usually change my details name to Faptics so I stand out
keen dome
lmao
lilac stag
“press skyfury please”
swift tinsel
We have details nickname theme nights sometimes but I usually stick with that one
hollow spear
We have details nickname theme nights sometimes but I usually stick with that on...
Pretty cool idea tbh
haughty mural
“press skyfury please”
that is a good one
swift tinsel
I thought I read somewhere that you don't need to get enchanted crests crafted and can just exchange crests for them in s2, is that true?
lilac stag
Though our dk went enhance so that shouldn’t be an issue now.
lilac stag
I thought I read somewhere that you don't need to get enchanted crests crafted a...
They’re on the vendor
keen dome
I thought I read somewhere that you don't need to get enchanted crests crafted a...
Correct, like Scath said
hollow spear
Details usually devolves into over the top innuendos
silk flower
are there any st rotational changes to sub?
swift tinsel
we have three shaman this tier so if two miss raid I'm still not tilted
swift tinsel
omg that's gorgeous
novel vector
gm everyone are we dooming or booming
lilac stag
are there any st rotational changes to sub?
compared to what? and were you playing it correctly before?
stone robin
always booming
keen dome
booming
hollow spear
Enchantment out of a job or what?
silk flower
compared to what? and were you playing it correctly before?
ye was playing perfectly before
keen dome
Enchantment out of a job or what?
yep
lilac stag
Enchantment out of a job or what?
I make so much on weapon enchants it’s not funny
swift tinsel
my enchanter just makes concentrated concentrate now
hollow spear
We should send a questionnaire out to people to check their knowledge before they're allowed to ask questions. #makegatekeepinggreatagain
hollow spear
are there any st rotational changes to sub?
Tldr: none that matter to perform well
lilac stag
I have two alchemists. One for pots and one for flaks. My warrior is smith for weapon. Rogue DEs everything.
alpine wraith
im lw and engi
swift tinsel
Two alch ganggggg
lilac stag
Apparently I have to lvl my monk to 80 to get the vantus recipe
alpine wraith
but have alts for lots of things
hollow spear
I didn't level any profession
keen dome
JC / Engi on my main. And Flask / Scribe on my alt. It's great.
swift tinsel
I set all of them up for the most part once prog was over and started stockpiling for this seasson
keen dome
I can make like 5 - 10k gold a week from conc stuff
swift tinsel
so I have like 700 r3 tempered pots, 200ish r3 alch flasks, 300+ whetstones, etc
hollow spear
I've become so lazy it's actually shameful
lilac stag
I can make like 5 - 10k gold a week from conc stuff
I sell the r1/r3 and use the r2
keen dome
Hell yeah
swift tinsel
that's a good call
keen dome
Right now r3 chaotic flasks are going for like 800g per
and I can do 4 - 6 on conc, or more if multicraft.
Just so much for so little
swift tinsel
my warlock is my DE toon bc I need a farming prof on my rogue for when I wanna unplug brain and fly around
Ooo I should sell the flasks my other alch makes from conc, that's a good call
upbeat folio
one question guys, do we want use finisher with 6 and more cp during shadowdance or 5 cp?
i read both of those numbers thats why i ask
keen dome
It's such easy gold. Also the difference between R2 and R3 is so minimal imo
hollow spear
Last season's r3 stuff is still good for this season, right?
swift tinsel
I often make the r2 while stacking up flask buff and sell those which is kinda nice
hollow spear
one question guys, do we want use finisher with 6 and more cp during shadowdance...
6+
swift tinsel
Last season's r3 stuff is still good for this season, right?
yeah no new consumes yet
hollow spear
6+
lilac stag
always is
haughty mural
maxroll 
upbeat folio
lilac stag
AskMrRobotHowTrollMaxRollBe
keen dome
!guides
haughty mural
keen dome
All of these are the best guides
lavish vessel
Hi guys, I'm looking for a good profile plater. Not necessary with tracking refresh dots, just a clear and readable interface :p
Could u share a link ?
haughty mural
!plater
lilac stag
jundies
haughty mural
rip only assa has that in their channel
wicked joltBOT
hollow spear
The weird thing is that Kush plays it right if you watch him, yet his guide talks about 5+ cp
upbeat folio
All of these are the best guides
im Looking for rotation opener and filler, didnt played new sub for a while
Last time we had 2 vanish with -30sec cd reduction
hollow spear
Why is his name underneath it then?
keen dome
That was Shadowdust, yeah. It was taken out with TWW.
hollow spear
im Looking for rotation opener and filler, didnt played new sub for a while
Last...
Well, read the guides?
keen dome
Fuu's guide has a really good breakdown of it all.
haughty mural
That was Shadowdust, yeah. It was taken out with TWW.
he doesnt know either iirc
hollow spear
It's literally in all of zhem
keen dome
Ye, they're all excellent resources.
upbeat folio
Well, read the guides?
Yh sure im going for it, but i prefer a picture from opener like maxroll doin but seems like its troll :))
Like this but not from maxroll if its pobbile
XD
hollow spear
I'm not sure if you're trolling tho? The first guide listed has that...
haughty mural
he doesnt know either iirc
replied to the wrong one 😄 sorry
lilac stag
bwhahaha someone reset r1 dust on NA
hollow spear
he doesnt know either iirc
So they left his name under it despite him not working on it any longer. Good stuff haha
lilac stag
Yh sure im going for it, but i prefer a picture from opener like maxroll doin bu...
Method or Wowhead
sorry. my find it for people funtions are not working this morning
hollow spear
Maybe I'm too abrasive rn
But you can't tell me you're unable to find it if you actually look for it
lilac stag
it's impossible to miss if you actually read either guide
insert random macro qustion in 3 minutes
upbeat folio
But you can't tell me you're unable to find it if you actually look for it
no listen the picture is the problem
i was in that link already
still no pics
hollow spear
I hate when people misuse discord as their personal google
keen dome
If there's no pictures then I don't know what to say. It sounds like it might be on your side? Maybe blocked on your network or something?
upbeat folio
Method or Wowhead
this picture is that im missing
hazy breach
still no pics
Wdym, its literally on there
lilac stag
kekw 2 seconds
hollow spear
I googled "wowhead subtlety opener" and scrolled down in the link for three seconds on my phone
And found it
upbeat folio
then its not load for me
lilac stag
are you using AOL web browser?
thats not a serious question fyi 😄
if there's no picture you've got more serious issues
with your browser than we are legally allowed to help with
night sparrow
Hello o/ I guess Shadowcraft charges reset when u pull a raid boss ?
hollow spear
Don't open wowhead on thor
hazy breach
Shadow technique charges reset on raid boss pull yes
night sparrow
ofc hehe thx
lilac stag
someone ask Gonk to find the wowhead pictures
keen dome
Haha, gonk
lilac stag
or just goto the method guide
upbeat folio
someone ask Gonk to find the wowhead pictures
stop bro fr i aint see any picsXD
keen dome
Which one, though? The Star wars battery droid or the WoW loa?
lilac stag
SW ofc
keen dome
stop bro fr i aint see any picsXD
Are you on mobile or something? Could be that. But it does sound like a technical issue we can't really help with.
swift tinsel
GONK
hollow spear
My mobile shows me the picture
upbeat folio
Are you on mobile or something? Could be that. But it does sound like a technica...
wierd, its chrome computer
lilac stag
My mobile shows me the picture
does it bring all the boys to the yard?
hollow spear
Only the ones who sleep in their sub rogue bedsheets
hazy breach
wierd, its chrome computer
Idk dude, youve been linked exactly where to find it and the picture itself. We really cant do much more for you
hollow spear
The ones who gatekeep me from orange parses
lilac stag
hollow spear
Idk dude, youve been linked exactly where to find it and the picture itself. We ...
Record a video in slowmo that shows all the button presses with a hand cam
lilac stag
are chrombooks even able to web browse?
lilac stag
this seems like major troll. finds maxroll picture just fine. can't see wowhead and wont click method
hazy breach
keen dome
this seems like major troll. finds maxroll picture just fine. can't see wowhea...
I recall WoWhead being block in some countries specifically, so maybe something like that
lilac stag
maybe Lashga's neighbor and banned from wowhead
hollow spear
Hahaha
lilac stag
someone upload sub guid to 🌽 hub
hollow spear
Who is Lashga and why are people memeing them?
sand ore
Someone upload my wife back
lilac stag
Lashga older rogue, pops in and out. good player. legit cant access wowhead. pisses Zac off so even better upstanding sub citizen
hollow spear
How can you not access wowhead?
lilac stag
blocked by country
hollow spear
Are they critical of some autocrat regimes?
whole abyss
anyone else have trouble finding that suspicious vent in the ringing deeps to start that wax quest for the MH consume? lmao I can't find it for the life of me
lilac stag
Are they critical of some autocrat regimes?
some block sites with ability to externally communicate (comment sections)
hazy breach
Are they critical of some autocrat regimes?
Allegedly some legal issues, not political
upbeat folio
yeah for us its blocked by country
keen dome
Ye, I assumed something like that. And then a VPN eating the images makes sense
upbeat folio
filtered
keen dome
Glad it's sorted thuogh at least
hollow spear
some block sites with ability to externally communicate (comment sections)
Anti government underground organising via wowhead
upbeat folio
Glad it's sorted thuogh at least
i would find it faster if i had no vpn, but i was using one already, so i reseted and got fixed but a bit late some lads got mad 😄
lilac stag
Anti government underground organising via wowhead
how do you think the US will commuicate with Can & Mexico when maga finally goes full dictator? wowhead comments and in game
this is my reality.
bleak night
It’s funny because it’s real
hollow spear
Handmaid's tale wouldn't have happened if they had wowhead in their reality
bleak night
swift tinsel
inb4 they block wow altogether because it has women in positions of power
hollow spear
Oof
lilac stag
they're too focused on porn right now
swift tinsel
true
lilac stag
and cursive writing
swift tinsel
hey my family was canadian before they came here, maybe they'll let me back in
hollow spear
they're too focused on porn right now
Rly? I've stopped reading the news
lilac stag
my "dog triaining bff/wife" is from canada. she'll harbor me, the wifey and the zoo
lilac stag
Rly? I've stopped reading the news
red state by red state yes
swift tinsel
unless you mean figurative zoo
lilac stag
wait if you live in a zoo then you can play with penguins
3 cats and 3 dogs is a zoo by most people's count
cloud gale
Who is Lashga and why are people memeing them?
guy who got the most obvious boost for m+ r1 title and not only denies it but flexes it
swift tinsel
3 cats and 3 dogs is a zoo by most people's count
sounds like a loving family imo
keen dome
I wish I had a cat
hollow spear
Weren't red states the ones with a higher than average gay porn consumption?
swift tinsel
if I had more space I'd absolutely have a cat sanctuary
lilac stag
until they all get hangry
hollow spear
Or was that a meme
lilac stag
shit hits the fan
swift tinsel
I wanna live closer to the cat cafe
but I feel like coming home to my cats would feel like getting caught having an affair
lilac stag
Weren't red states the ones with a higher than average gay porn consumption?
yes. it's also the homophobes consuming a certain style of porn.
keen dome
or a pug cafe
that's just lfg in the morning
lilac stag
at some point I think we'll open an animal rescue / santuary
bleak night
but I feel like coming home to my cats would feel like getting caught having an ...
My cats would murder me
swift tinsel
I really want to
hollow spear
or a pug cafe
Can you get aotc in a pug cafe?
bleak night
I could never
lilac stag
Can you get aotc in a pug cafe?
no only over McD wifi
swift tinsel
It'd be so hard though losing them or not getting to keep all of them bc they'd be adoptable
distant plinth
do we ever cast a sechtech with only symbols? (no flag/SD/SB) or is it better to hold it?
swift tinsel
but every cat I see, I want
lilac stag
do we ever cast a sechtech with only symbols? (no flag/SD/SB) or is it better to...
very rarely in ST. in AOE sometimes
rain stratus
!plater
lilac stag
Jundies
swift tinsel
now I miss my cats even though I just saw them an hour ago
fiery crater
should i macro cold blood to secret teq?
hazy breach
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
fiery crater
ah nice ty, havent played since it was always macro
distant plinth
very rarely in ST. in AOE sometimes
Thanks, what about: do we ever cast a sechtech with only dance? (no flag/symbols/SB) or is it better to hold it until we get at least symbols up? (sorry for being a pain, just trying to clear my mind with these rotations)
hazy breach
You should never cast dance without symbols up
distant plinth
that makes it clear! thanks for the help guys
lilac stag
do you use Jundies ?
Yes. It’s amazing for M+. The color coding alone is sick.
It’s clean and rather lightweight.
haughty mural
i was looking for a new lightweight one
swift tinsel
Same, and I've heard a few people speak highly of Jundies
haughty mural
i'll prolly give it a try this evening
hazy breach
The best part about it is that everything is uplodaded seperately
swift tinsel
I have a cobbled together profile using Naowh's as a base so I might just pull a few mods from mine and add them to Jundies
hazy breach
So i dont have to redo how my platers look
swift tinsel
bc looking at screenshots, its def nice
hazy breach
I just import his colours and his cast emphasizer
plush roost
I went jundies last season and never looked back ongod
lilac stag
Quazii’s is nice as well, but I prefer Jundies.
swift tinsel
I have a few mods that change bar color based on certain auras which don't usually conflict
fiery crater
i use Jundies too its nice
glacial hinge
!sheet
hazy breach
Free
swift tinsel
maybe I try it baseline before adding my mods
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swift tinsel
do you have to whitelist the buffs you want on the aura bar or are they pretty tidy?
hazy breach
Similar to other quality of life stuff addons can introduce i basically cant imagine not playing with colour coded nameplates anymore
plush roost
Can just google jundies plater and copy import straight into a plater profile
distant plinth
do you guys display cb points on your plates?
swift tinsel
yeah I've had color coded plates since I started using plater
bc I think naowh's has that built in too
swift tinsel
do you guys display cb points on your plates?
nah I have a WA tracker
hazy breach
do you guys display cb points on your plates?
No, just in my weakauara suite in the middle of the screen
swift tinsel
having it front and center makes knowing shadowcraft resets are coming way easier
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
I find I don't have to rely on the gunshot
hazy breach
bc I think naowh's has that built in too
Ye i wasnt saying jundies was the only option, just emphasizing how good it feels to play with
swift tinsel
I see yellow ring, I know I get reset
hazy breach
Like you just target the purple mob and cleave of it, because you know it has the highest health
swift tinsel
Ye i wasnt saying jundies was the only option, just emphasizing how good it feel...
oh yeah, I was agreeing
distant plinth
any good weakaura recommendations for cb points? Mine looks sad
swift tinsel
I don't think I could ever play without color coded plates either, its a massive help
keen dome
That does sound pretty good
swift tinsel
I see a certain color, mouseover focus set time
instead of hunting for a name while the plates all jump around while things get gathered
plus for some reason the profile I use the plates get kinda bouncy and unresponsive
plush roost
Light blue priority caster, purple, prio target, green/darkblue less important kick/stops
Ezpz
hazy breach
Ive recently been doing some TTS reminders of stuff too and its really helpful in stressful situations. For example making sure i have evasion up for the last 10 seconds of kyveza
swift tinsel
and certain buffs have super high frame strata so I can see them through my map lol
swift tinsel
Ive recently been doing some TTS reminders of stuff too and its really helpful i...
that's something I really need to do
plush roost
I need to learn how to use mrt notes and tts reminders
hazy breach
Then i dont have to look at her cast
swift tinsel
I usually get the timeline set up decently but never add TTS
plush roost
Would definitely help with cognitive load
hazy breach
I can focus on dodging/using my cooldowns and just press evasion whenever i hear it
keen dome
That's real good as an idea.
plush roost
Probably gonna be my improvement goal for this tier unironically, just addon management haha
hazy breach
And i usually set it up in a way that there should never be any thinking required when i hear it.
plush roost
Spent like 2 hrs on my UI last week
hazy breach
Like some mechanics you can get away with feint but maybe you need to cloak or evasion if youre low, then i wouldnt use a reminder (ig you could say "defensive" or something)
rugged condor
Spent like 2 hrs on my UI last week
Charrend i need you to rip a "THE CHEEEBSTER" in raid tyvm
brave moth
Is there a command to show me all the commands that the bot has ?
rugged condor
Chibi will surely love it
plush roost
Yessir
rugged condor
🫡
void mesa
!wa
wicked joltBOT
steel zinc
!fuu
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shell willow
!bug
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silk granite
I'm currently running into an issue where my macro:
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike
does not cast Shadowstrike. Am I missing something?
honest saddle
there were some bugs with vanish and shadowstrike macros, not allowing the shadowstrike to work because of a delay between going stealth and using the button. Probably similar
sacred yarrow
guys any tips for zekvir? if cloak is on CD I cant survive the dot on second phase :(
hollow spear
I would personally just get rid of the macro
silk granite
Ok, I just was trying to macro like SoD and SD with SS without spamming an extra SoD. So I guess that's out of the question.
silk granite
ok
alpine wraith
some people say you can spam it but i wont risk it
honest saddle
somewhere along the line, during dragonflight development, something happened that caused a delay between vanish/shadow dance being pressed and actually entering stealth
enough of a delay that buttons that require stealth being macrod to them dont work
silk granite
damn that's crazy thanks for the info.
lethal yew
guys any tips for zekvir? if cloak is on CD I cant survive the dot on second pha...
Double vanish. Get a wa that tells you if Bran's dispel is off cd. If dispel is on cd and cloak is on cd use vanish. Just don't vanish if bran is down or zekvir will reset
vale pine
I'm currently running into an issue where my macro:
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow D...
the macro broke in a recent update
you need to press it twice to cast strike
sacred yarrow
Double vanish. Get a wa that tells you if Bran's dispel is off cd. If dispel is ...
thank you, will try
silk granite
the macro broke in a recent update
so for the opener when you press Trinket, Pot, SD, SoD and SS. What would you suggest doing instead? just macroing Pot, SD and SoD. Then double pressing SD and SS macro?
lethal yew
Np. Against zekvir your vanish isn't a dps cooldown it's just a utility to dispel the slow. That's how I played it at least
keen dome
It's purple tier
sacred yarrow
brand is dead more often than not so its tricky
solemn creek
so for the opener when you press Trinket, Pot, SD, SoD and SS. What would you su...
Have the buff macro and spam ss
silk granite
Ok so just the first 4 in it's own macro then just spam SS.
clever delta
Pog
paper surge
Its outlaw tier
Is outlaw just better suited for the boss fights or something?
vestal escarp
jaunty umbra
bleak night
young mural
solemn creek
keen dome
leaden prairie
Is outlaw just better suited for the boss fights or something?
Ye exile (liquid main rogue) said he was gearing up 25 outlaws this tier
He is really going hard
swift tinsel
gearing 25 outlaws is a circle of hell right
bleak night
echo is paying him to play outlaw
solemn creek
Ye exile (liquid main rogue) said he was gearing up 25 outlaws this tier
Sarcasm aside. Did he say that? I dont think j have ever seen him outlaw 😅
swift tinsel
like its own specific circle iirc
leaden prairie
Sarcasm aside. Did he say that? I dont think j have ever seen him outlaw 😅
Ye of course
Why would I lie
I don't gain anything from lying
I never lie actually
bleak night
leaden prairie
I'm well known for not being a liar
young mural
gearing 25 outlaws is a circle of hell right
gearing 25 characters is insane
paper iron
typical french
leaden prairie
This is clearly a fabricated screenshot
swift tinsel
hon hon hon
leaden prairie
But ok go off king
keen dome
Going on the internet and telling lies about the yellow class. smh.
paper iron
young mural
yellow class is a way to call it
solemn creek
Well technicly someone who lie about not lying is telling the truth!
swift tinsel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1212526973830570026/...
is this why dad hasn't come home
young mural
and btw kushi > exile parses much better
swift tinsel
I knew it
paper iron
he decided it was too much for his brain
swift tinsel
Realz did ask about deleting Armin once
paper iron
and went into a deep depression thinking about his life
keen dome
Someday Outlaw will be meta again and I will be sad.
paper iron
it s fine you have like 8 years At least before outlaw become playable again
mild skiff
!guide
young mural
Someday Outlaw will be meta again and I will be sad.
when that type of stuff happens, i just dont play outlaw and my life is normal
swift tinsel
I'll play trickster outlaw
have Killing Spree death montage
get Phurion to produce it
keen dome
have Killing Spree death montage
Hell yeah
paper iron
oh yea if u dont wanna play outlaw
tell ur gm that all your death are requiered and it s how outlaw plays
he ll get pissed off and ask u to swap spec
keen dome
"Yeah, sorry man, killing spree is mandatory now"
young mural
why did liquid hire exile and not Eleem
swift tinsel
"I'm trying to give people Grieftorch value"
young mural
why
heady gulch
atleast killing spree has a fitting name
swift tinsel
"What if Armin is delete" I think was the original quote
keen dome
When are we getting another grieftorch.
swift tinsel
do you use a combo point tracking WA
jaunty heath
Nah doesn’t exist
young mural
yes
swift tinsel
add condition for supercharged combo point
and have it change the color/border
first cp = supercharged >=1
young mural
uhh
swift tinsel
second cp = supercharged >=2 etc etc
young mural
ill try and do that but I have to be truthful, I have no clue if ill be able to
what is the condition? im kind of bad with WAs. Supercharger doesnt give you a aura to track
like, what condition should i set
ill just use this shit and edit it https://wago.io/F5B5pnGNL
thanks for trying to help me @swift tinsel
leaden prairie
Np
young mural
oh this is what you were talking about
sly shore
swift tinsel
like how it used to be a buff and now its not anymore bc yeah that's scuffed
remote rapids
So it is drop Skipper's gem for the Queen gem, right?
alpine wraith
So it is drop Skipper's gem for the Queen gem, right?
you use same gems now they just cant proc war queens
vale pine
so for the opener when you press Trinket, Pot, SD, SoD and SS. What would you su...
you just don't macro, if you want to macro things you can macro them to flagellation, but even then
you don't want to macro blades and other things to it
macros is kind of difficult because you can macro little unless you give up dps
tidal chasm
Silly question but using a supercharged point while at 7 CP does count as an 8 combo point finisher (& therefore higher damage than a 7 CP finisher) right? Even though the tooltip only goes up to 7 CP for all the skills?
young mural
yes
fathom gazelle
does flag works as a dot so i need to be close to my target or is it a buff for me i can use wherever iam?
swift tinsel
does flag works as a dot so i need to be close to my target or is it a buff for ...
it's a melee ability so you need to be in melee range
and each cp spent lashes for damage and grants stacks
fathom gazelle
aha kk ty
compact citrus
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void mesa
with the optimimzation you still hit blades for the non-CB SecTec right? only the CB moves
swift tinsel
Yeah, the only thing that changes is when you use cold blood
vale pine
with the optimimzation you still hit blades for the non-CB SecTec right? only th...
yes, you only move cold blood
spice saffron
Do we shuriken storm the 2nd stack of the rotten in single target?
swift tinsel
no
spice saffron
how many targets? 2?
swift tinsel
7+
uneven scarab
spice saffron
thanks
shell willow
whats the bug causing our non parry to be raid wide?
swift tinsel
fazed is bugged
swift tinsel
just the parry afaik
shell willow
lol that would be crazy
swift tinsel
if Smoke was raid-wide sub is a hard-lock in any comp ever
shell willow
ty
swift tinsel
8.6% DR between that and atrophic poison would be awesome lol
shell willow
Haha one can dream but thanks was trying to explain it to my rl and couldnt find the spell that was causing the bug
swift tinsel
Yeah it's just fazed and just the parry portion
young mural
its bugged?
swift tinsel
its bugged?
yes
young mural
isnt the parry thing supposed to be party/raid-wide?
swift tinsel
No, its supposed to be just for the rogue that applies it
shell willow
not supposed to reads as a buff to the user only
spice saffron
after our 2nd dance and our big cds are worn off. Do we just insta launch the 3rd dance/symbols?
young mural
No, its supposed to be just for the rogue that applies it
True "cannot parry YOUR attacks"
ocean talon
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.well hope they dont fix it '
swift tinsel
after our 2nd dance and our big cds are worn off. Do we just insta launch the 3r...
when sectech is up or has <10sec left on its cooldown
vale pine
after our 2nd dance and our big cds are worn off. Do we just insta launch the 3r...
we only use 2 dances back to back and then do dance/symbols again with our next secret technique
fathom gazelle
when sectech is up or has <10sec left on its cooldown
does this mean u delay ur 2nd SD inside flag for sec to be 10s or less?
swift tinsel
does this mean u delay ur 2nd SD inside flag for sec to be 10s or less?
no, you dance back to back like fuu said in the message above
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
distant plinth
outside of the flag burst, is there some sort of "ruleset" to know if it's ok to run a last SD/Symbols before flag come back so you end up with 2 SD for it?
rain stratus
I find that if you run your last charge of SD around 42-45sec before flag, you'll have 1 charge and 40sec left on 2nd when flag comes up. But this is total anecdotal
alpine wraith
dont use dance/sec tech if flag is around 25 secs away
usually after second set of cds things become quite repetitive
shell willow
I've found that burst cd sequence then dance/symbols/sectech and then sectech/symbols works and i come into next burst with cds ready
also depends on uptime
swift tinsel
when combat drags on sometimes I forget if I'm in a 2 or 1 cycle lol
shell willow
takes around 6 finishers to get sectech back up which is roughly 20-25 secs
rain stratus
He asked specifically about Dance/symbols tho
swift tinsel
also having pocket skyfury buff at org dummies is goated
can copy it to ptr too and buff myself lol
shell willow
He asked specifically about Dance/symbols tho
but you have to prep the whole sequence or you will get thrown out of the loop
fathom gazelle
isnt sub very punishing if u have ur burst and u dont send coz of mechanics ?
shell willow
Its pretty rhythmic
rain stratus
I know. He wanted to know when it's "safe" to run the last SD charge before flag. While there isnt a set in stone answer, 45sec seems to fit, ish
shell willow
okay fair enough
swift tinsel
toying with sending a sod with the 1min50 sectech and still having everything for the 2min30 sod/dance/sectech
can't tell if worth yet, just messed around a bit last night
hazy breach
isnt sub very punishing if u have ur burst and u dont send coz of mechanics ?
Yes, but likewise youre not doing much outside of cds. So if you do mechanics while your flag is on cooldown it doesnt matter that much
fathom gazelle
Yes, but likewise youre not doing much outside of cds. So if you do mechanics wh...
yeh true
shell willow
toying with sending a sod with the 1min50 sectech and still having everything fo...
What's your opinion on naked sectech it happens every now and again. I know i can get it back for my full burst window but sending a naked feels bad but its still damage albeit like 500k but still
swift tinsel
if it doesn't scuff your flag windows, why not
shell willow
I figured as much
swift tinsel
sectech means more unseen blades
shell willow
true true
it really will just depend on my boss uptime heroic week will be really interesting
swift tinsel
I'm just gonna look at Lorrgs and see what boss timings look like
see what lines up with what
adjust accordingly
shell willow
yeah but might be a week before we get that
alpine wraith
actually i moved the naked sech when appliable to after cds
instead of the last SoD before cds
to have less risk of dropping tier set
even though it is not as important as before
distant plinth
yeah but might be a week before we get that
there are already existing ones but not sure of the accuracy, (Kush's guide)
alpine wraith
less gambling in this house
swift tinsel
the one you had flagged as only if you guarantee for 150sec set?
shell willow
there are already existing ones but not sure of the accuracy, (Kush's guide)
you got a link?
swift tinsel
I've been adding a sod to that one around like the 110sec mark and its pretty cozy, might have some downstream effects beyond 5mins tho
distant plinth
you got a link?
first boss example
alpine wraith
that seems fine
swift tinsel
might have to play around with this a bit after work tonight
distant plinth
am I allowed to send links? or am I gonna get banned? :p
alpine wraith
the part that is important for long fights is the one on the right
shell willow
dm me long as it aint malware lol
young mural
first boss example
what are those spells under our cds? boss mechs?
alpine wraith
yea
distant plinth
yes
swift tinsel
the purple one?
alpine wraith
no it would be repeating but apart from the lone CB dance in between you may get another one
swift tinsel
ohh gotcha
swift tinsel
one of them sometimes needed vanish pulling for the dance but I can't remember which
alpine wraith
might make a longer table somewhere like i did with smolderon
swift tinsel
it was after the 4min mark usually iirc
shell willow
yeah
swift tinsel
that might have been it
alpine wraith
and can get a vanish strike+2 finishers
might want to put that somewhere but yea maybe i make the table longer to let people see how it repeats
like smolderon one was the full fight kinda
up to 480 secs
swift tinsel
some of the tests I did had like giga skyfury rng and everything fit insanely nicely
shell willow
The damage amp is also stupid long on the first boss
swift tinsel
that's a full flag window + dance/sodx2 length of time lol
shell willow
lol my point exactly
swift tinsel
Zee is holding my trinket hostage
shell willow
save a vanish as well
alpine wraith
you actually can save the SoD you would send alone after first set of cds
and use it there
with a dance you get
shell willow
Thats what im thinking due to the length
alpine wraith
it can be up to 45 secs or so who knows
thorny jacinth
!sod
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glossy turtle
any trinket we can replace transmitter with, that is not house of cards? thinking for early game, just cba to play that trinket its soo annoying
rain stratus
no
wet robin
!fuu
uncut oar
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alpine wraith
any trinket we can replace transmitter with, that is not house of cards? thinkin...
priory skardyn and kiss of death are replacement albeit weaker ones
there is also a delve one that gives crit or haste but it is 50% chance you get nothing so i dont even note it
quick horizon
Do we always want our next finisher after symbol to be Secret Technique ?
alpine wraith
not always but on cds yes
there are some situations where you use SoD to get cdr for sec tech
hazy breach
Do we always want our next finisher after symbol to be Secret Technique ?
supercharger empowers your next two finishers after pressing symbols
One of those should always be sectech
hollow snow
warm marlin
im overcapping dance by a few seconds holding it for the cold blood sectec at 45s, normal?
warm marlin
👍
swift tinsel
if you're ever in a situation where you're heading into a dance/sod with no fazed but coup ready, is it better to force the fazed with sectech or send the coup without and lose a UB
hazy breach
Sectech before
swift tinsel
figured, wanted to check jic. thanks!
hazy breach
Not getting 15% finisher damage from coup is real bad
neon pendant
what's coup and fazed ?
swift tinsel
yeah that's what I was thinking too vs just missing 1 ub stack
alpine wraith
what's coup and fazed ?
hero talents from the trickster hero spec
swift tinsel
saw something in the echo guide bc I was curious and saw it was in there
never knew echo had guides lol
swift tinsel
people were talking about them earlier so I had to check it out
skill capped does pve stuff now?
swift tinsel
that was always just pvp from what I remember
probably, maxroll has AI make everything now
"make sure to cast secret technique from stealth so its even more secretive"
alpine wraith
kek
young mural
"make sure to cast secret technique from stealth so its even more secretive"
lmao
real talk though, who told you guys about the secret technique?
swift tinsel
what technique
young mural
🤫 Tech
young mural
GIVE ME BACK MY WEAPON YOU FUCKASS
vale pine
huh?
swift tinsel
akaari only steals log damage
vale pine
poor akaari, she did nothing wrong
young mural
huh?
we stole our gorefang's bite in legion from akaari 💀
literally killed her for it i think
shell willow
!dr
swift tinsel
I liked her soul fragment
shell willow
lol guess there is no commentary on diminishing returns.
swift tinsel
made me feel extra shadowstrikey
strange chasm
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alpine wraith
i mean we were quite mean to aakari
shell willow
Do we have a DR for our mastery?
young mural
lol guess there is no commentary on diminishing returns.
what do you want to know
alpine wraith
so it makes sense that she kinda hates us
swift tinsel
21k for 10%
alpine wraith
we killed her then imprisioned her soul forever
prime ice
If we cold blood the second sectec in the opener, what is the best timing for the next cold blood?
young mural
Do we have a DR for our mastery?
sim yourself and install the addon "true stat values"
swift tinsel
I think 20% dr is 28k
hazy breach
If we cold blood the second sectec in the opener, what is the best timing for th...
Next second sectech in blades
alpine wraith
If we cold blood the second sectec in the opener, what is the best timing for th...
just as it comes off cd
vale pine
sims consider DR, you don't need to worry about it
alpine wraith
but you can just skip the middle one
alpine wraith
and just use it when next cds come on second sec tech
shell willow
okay i likely will always just sim myself and go with the robot just was curious
swift tinsel
mastery dr's are every 7k starting at 21k
young mural
true stat values is a great addon to saciate your curiosity
it shows DRs for every stat
wheat elk
can you recraft a s1 item with a s2 spark?
young mural
and how much you're losing
shell willow
cool cool ty
alpine wraith
can you recraft a s1 item with a s2 spark?
yes
that is how we are going to upgrade our weapons
swift tinsel
I think crit is the same dr curve
wheat elk
that is how we are going to upgrade our weapons
noice
swift tinsel
idr vers
young mural
that is how we are going to upgrade our weapons
damn, ill have to restore a few crafted items i just vendored then lol
wheat elk
i second that
young mural
blacksmiths and scribes are about to be RICH next week
like seriously rich if they decide to afk in cities doing crafting orders
keen dome
Nah. Materials aren't as high as launch and all their crafts can be done with one button if you use R3
young mural
Nah. Materials aren't as high as launch and all their crafts can be done with on...
tips
keen dome
Yeah, but it's very competitive. And most people tip 1 - 2k
It's nice, but not as much as it was around launch with reselling materials from resourcefulness.
swift tinsel
I'm a 5k commission baseline guy myself
young mural
^^
keen dome
I'm a 5k commission baseline guy myself
I just tell people to tip whatever they think is fair
young mural
thats what i always tip
keen dome
Because all we're doing is pushing one button as a crafter
shell willow
5k 10k if im urgent
swift tinsel
if its some of the more niche stuff like certain profession crafts I'll go a little more
or stuff that costs a bunch of acuity to get
young mural
Because all we're doing is pushing one button as a crafter
you have to take into account the amount of effort, time and gold you spent to max out your profession, knowledge points and all that
its completely bullshit to say "all we do is press a button"
if thats all you do, everyone wouldnt need a crafter. anyone can push a button lmao
keen dome
its completely bullshit to say "all we do is press a button"
It's not bullshit at all
that is what we do
keen dome
young mural
what does this have to do with your point?
keen dome
That I have a very good understanding of the crafting system. All we do is click a button because the customer supplies all the materials.
swift tinsel
if they're skilled up/specced right it shouldn't cost much if any concentration
keen dome
if they're skilled up/specced right it shouldn't cost much if any concentration
Yeah, it doesn't. I think there's some niche crafts where you might need it regardless but in 99.9% of the cases it's push button finish craft
young mural
if they're skilled up/specced right it shouldn't cost much if any concentration
yhea, costs 0 when you're at that point. BUT to get to that point you have to invest gold, time and resources
its completely braindead to say "its 0 effort, just a button"
tranquil garden
if somebody doesn't want to pay my crafting cost they can push the button themselves. no sweat off my back.
swift tinsel
like I know if I'm crafting any consumes and I have r3 mats its 100% r3 craft
keen dome
like I know if I'm crafting any consumes and I have r3 mats its 100% r3 craft
Yep
Same for all of JC's stuff. And Engineering. If they supply R3 materials, it's a guranteed R5 item.
swift tinsel
and my scrub mage tailor can do r5 cloak with embellishment and just burn some concentration which i get for free by not using it
its really not that much of an investment, you just need to get to a certain point
tranquil garden
it was a massive investment early on, that's why I charged a lot more early on
keen dome
There's an initial investment, but it's not a lot. Crafting is, ultimately, push a button. It's not like in DF where the crafter had to use mettle to gurantee R5 crafts. In TWW, the crafter doesn't need to do much at all.
tranquil garden
less so nowadays
swift tinsel
like now with catchup knowledge you can get set up very easily