subtlety

[upper narwhal]

they are both pressed in the same gcd

[steel zinc]

its w/e just symbols gives you energy also so try not to waste it, but thats some uber min max shit

[lilac stag]

Dance then SoD typically. There are times you will be in dance without casting symbols immediately.

Symbols is to charge Sectech.

[whole abyss]

Ty all!

[keen hare]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

oh well

[pseudo hollow]

Why tf u @ ing me in sub

I don’t come in here

No pinky keybind havin ass

Dolphin flippers slapping the keyboard lookin ass

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[rain swallow]

is there a weakaura that pops up when coup is available?

[swift tinsel]

https://wago.io/sG_QtaTXy

green pixel glow when fazed it up

[rain swallow]

my fucking man

[swift tinsel]

just tracks Escalating Blade

and at 4 its coup

super basic

[fallow nimbus]

The glow needs to be in the background

[swift tinsel]

if its at a lower level than the border the border covers it

[fallow nimbus]

WA layers from bottom(foreground) to top(background)

[swift tinsel]

glow doesn't show my dude

top is lower layer

[fallow nimbus]

Background is the icon

[swift tinsel]

yes, so that loads at the lowest level if its at the top

and you need the glow to be above that strata

so if you order it like you said, it doesn't show

[fallow nimbus]

Yes and text before that

[swift tinsel]

like the screenshot

icon - border - glow - text

from lowest to highest

[fallow nimbus]

2nd screenshot is how it's supposed to be

[swift tinsel]

2nd screenshot is literally how it is

I changed it in the first to show you its right

[fallow nimbus]

That little green over the 4 said otherwise

[swift tinsel]

its not

text is highest layer

that's how all of my auras are with glows and text

[swift tinsel]

it just looks like it is

[zenith thorn]

So why cant we have a micro for dance +symbol? Is it because of the supercharge? Wouldn't we have 1 stack for the ST anyways outside of cds

Macro* sorry

[fallow nimbus]

You don't always want to dance with symbols right away

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[zenith thorn]

What scenarios i wouldn't want to

[young mural]

do you enjoy supercharging your 2 next finishing moves bud?

[zenith thorn]

Even if i spend one on evis i would still have one stack for st?

[young mural]

yes

[zenith thorn]

So on why cant you macro it ever or is it situational

[fallow nimbus]

But what if secret is your third finisher in 2nd dance because unlucky?

[native hawk]

If the evis ends up being coup then coup will munch both supercharged finishers iirc

[steel zinc]

Why are they nerfing trinkets. Why not buff the bad ones

[weary saffron]

why did they not nerf transmitter again

[zenith thorn]

Outside of flag/shadowblades dont you st once?

[plush roost]

Easier to nerf what is good then buff what is bad

[young mural]

Hey fuu, Stealthi and Eleem I appreciate the updated guides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zenith thorn]

And st would be ready if im planning so dance symbol anyways no?

[swift tinsel]

sometimes you sectech - sod with no dance

[rancid axle]

hello guys, how do we use shadow dance out of shadow blades? I mean, we should always try to have 2 shadow dances for shadow blades window right?

[fallow nimbus]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[lilac stag]

It generally is unless you get lucky. It’s why we don’t macro sd&sod. You send dance, finish then get rdy fir sod+sectech

[zenith thorn]

Yeah cause big cds are coming up and you need 2 dance right but i do have separate bines for both just wondering why is advised to never use

[fallow nimbus]

I am always lucky

[lilac stag]

!macro

[zenith thorn]

Binds

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[swift tinsel]

because it doesn't really solve anything

[lilac stag]

Fuck

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[fallow nimbus]

You don't save binds anyway so just keep them separate

[swift tinsel]

macros are meant to save bar space and needing a bunch of situational macros doesn't really help

instead of just pressing them

[young mural]

"/cast blood fury" thats some loser shit play a good race

[swift tinsel]

for sod/dance stuff

[zenith thorn]

But i can save a keybind sometimes i dont think that explanatio answer my question

Like 1 button instead of 2

[fallow nimbus]

You can't

[steel zinc]

good shouldnt be nerfed

[swift tinsel]

if you macro them then you need a macro bind, symbols bind, and shadow dance bind

[fallow nimbus]

You need dance alone if you go dance+sod

[young mural]

what broke my heart is that I cant macro CB to my sec tech fuck

[swift tinsel]

you can

[young mural]

@lilac stag how much dps do i lose having CB macroed to sec tech>

?

[swift tinsel]

you just use it for the 2nd sectech

[zenith thorn]

So on the last sentence wouldn't the symbol add another 2 changes which means one csn be spent on evis or what am i missing

[brave moth]

What is the point of not binding Cold blood and Sectec? So that I am only using coldblood during cooldowns?

[fallow nimbus]

Also you generate more dances in aoe but sod is a fixed cd

[swift tinsel]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[zenith thorn]

Charges i cant type lol

[swift tinsel]

You can still keep your cb sectech macro

you just save it for the 2nd one in flag

but you need a naked sectech bind

[young mural]

Yhea i dont feel like having 2 sec tech buttons is cool

But idk

might be the move

[swift tinsel]

if you don't wanna do that, its a 1-1.2% loss

your choice

[zenith thorn]

I guess a better question is why does it matter if i spend one charge on evis when u have 2 charges total

[plush roost]

There are also situations when playing tfd where you use your second secret technique during your first shadow dance, you dont want symbols and dance macro'd because you press your second symbols during that shadowdance and then dance again after. If they're macro'd you're using 3 symbols instead of 2 or not pressing symbols on your second secret technique which is bad

[swift tinsel]

^^

[brave moth]

So ya basically to use it only in Shadowblades

[weary saffron]

an outlier from the previous tier's raid being nerfed is not an absurd thing

[fallow nimbus]

Outside cds it whatever but your big dmg is 2nd dance sectec with max flag and cb

[young mural]

yhea im trying to figure whats worse to get used to, a regular CB button or 2 different sec tech buttons

[swift tinsel]

Yep, you send a naked sectech as you hit blades then use the cb+sectech macro for the 2nd one

[young mural]

what are the cool rogues using?

[swift tinsel]

I do one macro one naked sectech bind

works nicely

[fallow nimbus]

2 sectec binds is better

[zenith thorn]

I understand it's not good to always use the macro im clear on that.im just saying if things like up fine with using the macro and i will have a supercharge for ST should.it be fine to just send the macro

[young mural]

Ok ill create the macro

[brave moth]

having 2 sec tech buttons or just putting CB on another keybind it is basically the same

[swift tinsel]

yeah its the same number of binds

its more a mental bandwidth thing

[brave moth]

Since when is this ? This tier or while back

[ruby sonnet]

i like 1 naked 1 macro bc i can just do 6 sectech shift 6 macro

[swift tinsel]

plus if you kinda mistime the cb press it doesn't buff your sectech

[ruby sonnet]

makes more sense to my brain

[swift tinsel]

this is pretty new

and with the s2 tier set its a bigger gain

previously it was like .6% gain to just use on 2nd

[young mural]

yhea i feel like its easier to just click my big sec tech button compared to CB then sec tech

[swift tinsel]

but new tier buffs our finishers so getting a bigger sectech is worth it

[brave moth]

Now I have to find a new bind for it 😄

[swift tinsel]

its nice to have a regular bind for sectech and a shift or other mod + that same bind if possible

like I do R and shift+R

R is naked, shift+R is the macro

[zenith thorn]

It's more of a muscle memory thing and how my keybinds are set up I do have separate binds for dance and symbol and always had one for both macrod toghether for aoe as an example saves 1 second not having to press 2 diff keys

[brave escarp]

You dont need 2 binds for that to work. If we only use CB in dance, we just put a macroed SecTech on the stealth stance bar and a naked one on the nonstealth on the same position

[brave moth]

Usually that is what I do for most abilities.

[swift tinsel]

same, it works really well that way imo

[bleak night]

that would still lead to you using cb on first sectec

instead of second

[swift tinsel]

I've had zero issues that way

[brave moth]

well now I have to spend few hours on dummy to muscle memory this. For the past 4 years I have been using the macro

[young mural]

ARE YOU GUYS DOING VERS/MAST FLASK OR ALCHEMICAL CHAOS??? COME ON I ONLY WANT 90+ PARSERS ANSWERING

LETS GET SOME GOOD ANSWERS IN GUYS

[swift tinsel]

Lol same, it took a bit of practice but got to be muscle memory pretty quick

[brave escarp]

But its more safe and acceptable if maximum laziness is requared

[molten citrus]

Yeh that still leads to the same issue

[brave moth]

Sim it

[swift tinsel]

doesn't matter

[brave moth]

and sim few times

[young mural]

ALCHEMICAL CHAOS ALWAYS SIMS BETTER BUT THE STAT CHANGES CAN CUCK YOU DURING BURST WINDOWS THAT WHAT I HEARD DUDE

[plush roost]

Haste flask, with warning signs talented

[swift tinsel]

this is demonic

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-mahiro-oyama-mahiro-onimai-oniichan-wa-oshimai-gif-17868971668136462410

The amount of meltdowns over macros the past 10 days is absolute cinema.

[bleak night]

just press buttons 4head

[swift tinsel]

I'm bout to macro myself a noose

to my neck

[lilac stag]

macro whatever the fuck your want. Just know it’s wrong.

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna macro feint to every damaging ability I have

I will be the livingest lord

[brave escarp]

Playing wow is wrong, so it cancels out 😔

[bleak wind]

does nimble still not work with blades?

[brave moth]

Okay soooo, listen now. You get 400 flasks. Use the flask see what stats you get, if you dont like the stats, remove the flask efect and use again 😄

[fallow nimbus]

I have a one button sectec macro that uses a cb sectec in the 2nd dance. Some unholy shit that's too dangerous to be kept alive

[brave moth]

And it should stay like that

[swift tinsel]

nope

possibly intended

but feelsbadman

[brave escarp]

Sequence?

[bleak wind]

have we tested some numbers for bp over evis during blades then

[swift tinsel]

I might be able to finagle that

[hazy breach]

Technically slightly worth to BP on 6 with blades yes

[fallow nimbus]

Sequence with a toy to simulate a offgcd cast

[hazy breach]

Wasnt much though

[bleak wind]

wait 6 with blades and 7 without?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But not by a whoe lot

[bleak wind]

hm, I would've assumed you do it at like 5 or even 4

[brave escarp]

😼 😼 😼 kekekekeke

[bleak wind]

with blades that is

[steel zinc]

yes but still shouldnt

[young mural]

it changes every 30sec

[fallow nimbus]

Have you heard about our lord and saviour, fire eaters vial?

[brave moth]

wait does it ?

[fallow nimbus]

Can't spam the macro so i buried it

[young mural]

yhea bad flask

[brave moth]

Doubt it matters that much :D. If you press your buttons wrong flask wont help

[young mural]

HEY @hazy breach what flask you use dude

[young mural]

come on youre parsing hella

[hazy breach]

Alchemical

It doesnt matter much though

[young mural]

ok i will copy you

[hazy breach]

Use master or vers if you have em

They sim the same

[brave escarp]

First time i see someone worshipping a vial, but to each their own

[hazy breach]

Alchemical is just more burst since it makes your pot better

But its a bit random

On average its the same though

[young mural]

Yhea ill use alchemical

Hey eleem what race is your rogue? About to buy a race change and copy you on that

[shell willow]

How we doing tonight?

[young mural]

Also want to know what transmog sims better

[shell willow]

Mythic nighthold sims highest for sub

[steel zinc]

I know but since everyone wants endboss trinket and house of cards idm not having to get one myself

also they already nerfed transmitter

[sly shore]

Yes and it's still better

[young mural]

Im currently using it, insane mog

[sly shore]

Then a trinket that is 39 ilvls higher

[lilac stag]

Likely only for Sub

[hazy breach]

Is what i wish i could be all the time

Unfortunately i am orc

[young mural]

Hmm....

[hazy breach]

I would recommend maghar though

[young mural]

Youre parsing better because of blood fury then

Huh

[young mural]

Fat fucking rogue cant even stealth past mobs

[swift tinsel]

this is a level of cool I will never achieve

[young mural]

I also hate dwarf rogues... @prophet

[fallow nimbus]

They should buff card and nerf transmitter but also buff us again to compensate

[young mural]

Sorry

[swift tinsel]

since eye ate a nerf I'm locking in Zee's Thug Hotline for reservation

[twilit phoenix]

Nightborne legit better for sub?

[brave moth]

Look how happy he seems like 😄

[young mural]

Were talking about the mythic NIGHTHOLD transmog set, it sims better for sub rogue

Just like the castle nathria one sims better for assas because of the extra poison vials in the leggings

[brave moth]

that is smart

When I respec to sub I always look for some purple-ish void-ish tmog

[young mural]

This is unknown tech btw you guys are welcome

[brave moth]

deep down I know it boosts my dmg 😄

[twilit phoenix]

Ah yes of course

[young mural]

The PvE sub crowd is so unhinged

Its crazy

[twilit phoenix]

Wdym king

[azure quartz]

feel like im missing something here but sometimes it seems like coup de grace wont proc even though it should, maybe my weak aura is fucked

[hazy breach]

It can get permanently stuck being unusable if you lag out in the middle of the animation so you have to relogg to fix it

But if it works later without relogging then its probably just your WAs

[azure quartz]

ok yeah it feels stuck, huh, well that sucks

[hazy breach]

Kezan nerfed

[azure quartz]

just always building to a coup de grace, i'm permanently edging

[quick swan]

Nerfed spymasters again and somehow transmitter dodged it lol

[long swallow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[long swallow]

that confused me aswell

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm surprised transmitterdodged the axe

[jaunty umbra]

nobody cares about sub

[swift tinsel]

lots of specs play transmitter

[hazy breach]

Or unholy ig

[swift tinsel]

is there a way to override eye in sims to reflect the nerf oris that some back end thing

[short radish]

praying that kezan isnt bis anymore

[hazy breach]

I think it should be updated now

Theres a spelldata update made 1 min ago

[swift tinsel]

I'll give it a little bit, its still 474 agi for me

[hazy breach]

Thats on wowheads end

If youre looking at tooltips

[swift tinsel]

in raidbots

[hazy breach]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

oh does it just pull from wowhead

[hazy breach]

For tooltips and stuff ye

[swift tinsel]

I see I see

[hazy breach]

But na its stil 474 in the sim too

Just double checked, but should get updated soon enough

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'll check again after dinner

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[sour girder]

sub feels a lot more like outlaw than outlaw

so sad

[tropic nimbus]

maybe outlaw turn into support spec

[rugged condor]

It almost did

The cdr buff in df beta

[waxen matrix]

Can someone explain to me why im being pulled immediately out stealth when i vanish and i cant cast shadowstrike?
Im just hitting dummies and it sometimes does it to me

[hazy breach]

Not sure, seems to be some new bug

But it doesnt really matter that much

[waxen matrix]

not on paper. but in-game it throws me off

[short radish]

could be auto attacking

[waxen matrix]

vanish makes you stop auto attacking

[short radish]

maybe button spam

ive done it before

also wait wtf when did you com eback

[quick swan]

Nah its a dumb bug like Eleem said

Happens to me too for no reason

Can get around it by backstabbing instead for practicing

[young mural]

Hey eleem

How do you play good sub dude?

I just cant parse and im pissed about it

[short radish]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[short radish]

@waxen matrix

[vernal junco]

crap

[fallen crescent]

[young mural]

garf looking good

[cloud kestrel]

I gotta farm a transmitter?!

Fuck

[hazy breach]

If you dont get house of cards transmitter is good yes

[young mural]

what about 626 transmitter?

people who didnt upgrade their myth transmitters or didnt do mythic to even drop it cant get a 639 anymore

how do we proceed with that

[hazy breach]

Just get house of cards

Its better anyway

[young mural]

okie

[twin quartz]

I have a 619 transmitter that I’ll be using until I get a house of cards

[hazy breach]

Theyll likely nerf transmitter again anyway

[twin quartz]

It’s just the nature of a trinket that meshes with 90s CDs

We’re gonna latch onto them

[young mural]

no

[short radish]

with the season 2 tier set there's no change to when we press secret technique (first finisher in dance) right?

[twin quartz]

Probably not if you’re running supercharger

[solemn creek]

wasnt there a string to import in advance simc to sim race?

cant find it anymore

[swift tinsel]

#tc-research message

[bleak night]

am i right in thinking i can only reliably fit 3 dances between flags if i have windfury

or am i playing badly

[hazy breach]

Dont think you can fit 3 at all

[quick swan]

2 in opener, then 2 between comfortably right?

[hazy breach]

Typically its 2 inbetween the first and second blades, 1 between the second and third blades and then repeat with 2 between third and forth

[quick swan]

Between 2nd and 3rd = naked symbols/sectech?

[bleak night]

oh i think i worded it poorly, i counted the one in flag

so yeah 2 in between

[jaunty heath]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[rancid axle]

I was just about to ask how do we use shadowdance out of shadow blades lol

[jaunty heath]

Are these right yet

[bleak night]

ive been having issues fitting the second one and having enough cdr to be ready for the next flag

[jaunty heath]

Or is next week considered live

[hazy breach]

Its a bit tight on dummies with skyfury

[copper siren]

last updated Feb 11 so probably not current

[bleak night]

alright, at least i know im not insanely far off

im still munching shadowcraft procs so that also isnt helping

just need some more practice

at least i dont have to practice anything new for sin so i have plenty of time to practice sub

[copper siren]

I hear the sub buffs are pretty solid is it back as "best spec"? I know everyone says play what you want but theres always one that performs better overall. Haven't played sub since I think S2 or 3 of DF.. whenever outlaw became the go to M+ spec. its probably changed a fair amount since then.

[bleak night]

ask again later

[solemn creek]

outlaw is still ahead, "right now"

but all 3 rogue spec are far behind other

u wont see it tho, since sub got baseline buff

[worthy pulsar]

is eye kezan still #2 trinket?

[quick swan]

Tf did I just read

[raw moat]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[solemn creek]

exacly what u read not sure what ur asking

right now, means right now. there still balance incoming so anything can change in the next few week. no one knows what the future holds

[molten citrus]

Outlaw is only “ahead” in sims, not reality

[solemn creek]

bis reality doesnt exist now either

[quick swan]

The day I see Outlaw in RWF will be the day I see it as viable

That spec is so cooked

[twin quartz]

Outlaw gets deleted so hard with downtime

[solemn creek]

and when the bis becomes a reality, the initial sim wont even be true anymore

[copper siren]

hmm well hopefully we get some tweaks. i'll play whatever gets me invites to keys (and LFG people are 'meta' slaves and generally get more invites on rogue if your the "strongest spec"). I'd like to play sub again, but it has been fun running assassination for the last while.

[quick swan]

What are you even saying 😂

[teal hemlock]

Drblank is cooking

[novel mirage]

what needs to improve here just 620 ilvl

[swift tinsel]

dang zee's is .1% off after nerf

gonna do a trinket sim quick

[molten citrus]

That was misinformation cuh

[bleak night]

the answer will never be outlaw

[quick swan]

Serial killer vibes with that one

[solemn creek]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-added-season-2-trinket-hotfixes-eye-of-kezan-nerfed-spymasters-nerfed-again-375309?utm_source=discord-webhook

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[solemn creek]

they forgot transmitter

[swift tinsel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4X3v1XZej1oWgmmLweg5Mr

trinket sim with nerfed Eye

other options are within .1% of eye/house

[molten citrus]

especially if you're talking about m+ things looks pretty balanced across the board

there will always be a community perception though, can't fix that. even if every spec in the game did exactly 5m overall dps in m+ people would only play the best utility

[spark tusk]

YO

COUP SOUND EFFECT

HAS BEEN IMPROVED?

[swift tinsel]

YES!

[spark tusk]

Anyone else notice this? It sounds better now

[swift tinsel]

It's SO satisfying

[spark tusk]

bass boosted

[molten citrus]

[topaz cipher]

Who knew this spec could get more fun

Bless up

[bleak night]

it actually plays the animation now too

it does feel a lot better to press

[young mural]

what the fuck lmao

[lucid jackal]

I said it first 5 mins of questing

[hazy breach]

Now imagine if sectech actually had a cool animation and sound effect

[spark tusk]

I don't need to imagine it

[bleak night]

yeah that would be nice

wait

good point

those clones are way cooler lmao

[spark tusk]

Well

TO BE FAIR

Sectec has a good sound effect now imo

it's just the visual that's lacking

[copper siren]

100% true and since I rely on pug for most keys i'm unfortunately at the mercy of community perception

[open vortex]

[bleak night]

ok i have another dumb question

how important is it to make sure sec tec benefits from supercharger

ive noticed in some of my dances i dont have it up until the third finisher

[swift tinsel]

should be using sod around sectech

[bleak night]

ok so its just me timing dances poorly

i can fix that

[hazy breach]

Ye sectech should always be supercharged

[bleak night]

im too used to pressing cds as soon as they're up

but dance and sod have charges

so no rush

play around sectec

[hazy breach]

Sectech doesnt need to be ready. It having 10s left is fine when you symbols

[bleak night]

because of the cdr yeah

makes sense

[shy orbit]

i'm a 40% parser, help me improve https://streamable.com/1b5on7

[random hare]

Where’s my loot funnel?

[fickle mason]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[young mural]

hey beautiful people!

where is the shadowcraft CP refund sound weakaura

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[young mural]

here it is!

[short radish]

if you run your own key - you can invite whoever you want

[bleak night]

yeah instead of waiting 40 minutes to get invited you'll be waiting 40 minutes for a tank to apply

[molten citrus]

It isn’t Tuesday

[warm veldt]

I HAVE MORE DAYS

I STILL BELIEVE

[random hare]

[tribal blade]

what's wrong here

details is drunk

[bleak night]

lmao

icons are hard

its close enough

[tribal blade]

just let details sleep it off, it'll be fine later 😉

my GM needs a 70-80 boost, does anyone on NA know people selling that

[warm veldt]

hit up wowlfg

should take like 10 mins max to find a seller

[fickle mason]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[molten citrus]

there's a ton if you go to wowmarket disc server

lots of guilds advertise there

[quaint lodge]

why do people use the first dance in raid

[molten citrus]

iirc it's better for shorter fights

[waxen matrix]

is there any world or situation where you might use cold-blood with anything other than ST?

[molten citrus]

nope

[bleak night]

oh i spent all this time practicing st rotation in m+ build instead of raid build

[lethal gale]

1% left on the boss ur 1v1ing and st is on cd you cb evis to kill him

[waxen matrix]

ok gotcha! ty

[young mural]

just killed the world boss and sub feels insanely better to play, much more shadowcraft procsd

am i going crazy or did they change it in someway?

[random hare]

Ur crazy

With lust and sky fury u proc a lot more than without

[young mural]

Ok

[swift tinsel]

[young mural]

Am i looking clean or not? answer me now fuck

[fallen crescent]

[random hare]

sry im answering in 3 business days

[young mural]

[fallen crescent]

Moar garfields

[young mural]

garf

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

i found someone 😉

i also forgot the services channel exists

[molten citrus]

[bleak night]

[valid marsh]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zenith thorn]

is holding ST for around 15 sec normal before going into next set of big cds

or 10 maybe

[shell willow]

depends on cdr

[strange chasm]

Another eye nerf. Will it still be good?

[hard trellis]

is nimble flurry supposed to be above sectec in m+ or am i garbage

[young mural]

hey prophet

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

still bis at 5mins but not when fights get below 5mins

[worthy pulsar]

how much cd time left on flag do we not use sectech?

25 30s?

[swift tinsel]

20

usually when I stop

[abstract mango]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[strange chasm]

Transmitter eye lmao still 0.4%

[young mural]

HEY WHAT DOES FLASK OF ALCHEMICAL CHAOS DOES TO TEMPERED POTION?

[glass ridge]

is macroing trinket to blades okay to do? ik the guide is pressing trinket the global before

[bright elk]

Sorry if its been asked a bunch but dont we want Sectec to be the 2nd finisher to get a few DM stacks?

[molten citrus]

the first pair of m+ trinkets are -2% oof

[young mural]

hey i want all the outlaw people to get out of this channel please

[molten citrus]

yes, if you go to the Advanced section it should say that. the guides tend to keep it simple/easier for the majority that don't care about small dps losses.

[molten citrus]

should be fine ye

[bright elk]

gotcha, ty. they mention delaying the CB to the 2nd SecTec just below this so I figured the DM stack thing would have been noted too, i didnt see the advanced section yet

[molten citrus]

well we don't really play around DM anymore

[shell willow]

I thought we wanted sectech first because of cdr and trickster unseen blade and the interplay there

[young mural]

WHY IS SKYFURY SO GOOD FOR SUB ROGUES? FFS

[molten citrus]

mb i miserunderstood the first question. i thought you were asking about the cold blood on the 2nd sec tech

[swift tinsel]

first in your flag windows but for regular dances its fine if its first or second

[shell willow]

yeah long as it is supercharged

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[molten citrus]

ye

[swift tinsel]

the extra auto attacks give us more shadow technique stacks

so more cps

[shell willow]

626 transmitter still looks to be super viable fucking nuts

[swift tinsel]

626 gets beat by 665 house iirc

[worthy pulsar]

im surprised if transmiter not getting further nerfs

[short radish]

get in on the transmitter nerf bet

^

[tribal blade]

suh

[shell willow]

Lol the fact that a 626 is comparable to a 665 should be telling enough.

[worthy pulsar]

im praying it gets nerf because i didnt pick myth transmitter in vault few weeks ago. didnt know it was good for sub 😦

[short radish]

L

[shell willow]

Lol oof

[tribal blade]

i'm pretty confident it'll get nerfed again some time during next tier

[short radish]

yeah

40% it gets nerf'd again week 1

[bright elk]

im pretty sure I know the answer but how bad is it to just macro shadow dance and symbols together

[tribal blade]

it'll be very bad next tier

with the new tier set

[teal prawn]

They’re gonna nerf transmitter and outlaw again

[tribal blade]

right now it's passable

next tier it'll fuck your dps hard

[bright elk]

good to know, ty

time to get used to separate buttons lol

[tribal blade]

it's worth it 😉

[lilac stag]

cb on 2nd tech

[lilac sparrow]

so... nimble flurry, ninja pulling from egypt, how. Am i missing something or how are we avoiding this problem besides for going DS in M+?

[lilac stag]

sure it’s not your ring?

[lilac sparrow]

is it? have always just assumed, never seem to have the issue as sin

[young mural]

I have literally never had that happen to me

[lilac sparrow]

thanks for confirming my crazyness.

idk what else it could be but i feel it's def me

[unkempt shell]

is backstab 2nd builder worth for a dance macabre stack with shadow blades?

[lilac stag]

It’s likely Lego gem in ring. Not flurry

[tribal blade]

no not anymore

[shrewd shadow]

What are yall running for your filler while waiting on CD? Im playing with a few ideas not really impressed with backstab or the AoE knife throw

[slate lantern]

Is rupture running out? Rupture. If not evis.

[shrewd shadow]

So spam rup if running out of not just evis?

[slate lantern]

Yup. Nothing else to do

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[shrewd shadow]

Huh well okay then cheers

[short radish]

im running peggle in the background

[wild hornet]

So about the cb sectec macro - whats the % difference gain you get in a fight roughly from casting cb on the 2nd sectec

[short radish]

something like 0.6-1% i think

[wild hornet]

Im considering it cause i kinda keep forgetting to cast cb on the 2nd one

I either autopilot it on 1st or forget to cast it either time

[tribal blade]

i think it's a bit higher now with the new tier, not exactly sure

@hazy breach has the exact number

[short radish]

i dont know what im going to rebind

[tribal blade]

i just dropped the sectec+CB macro in place of nado

because i'm never taking nado again

[rocky wolf]

i had an old spot for backstab in stealth so i just removed that lol

[wild hornet]

Why are we not taking it?

Esp in mplus

[tribal blade]

we have equal/better options now

like taking TFD

[young mural]

very strong its crazy

[lucid jackal]

Talent makes me sick to my stomach

[wild hornet]

I dont understand the hate it gets like instruments

Getting 4/5 finishers in a row feelsgoodman

[wild hornet]

I cant figure out why fdance would work better when its 2 additional copo

[tribal blade]

they reworked it

it's solid in M+ now

[wild hornet]

Okay makes sense

Thought i was getting ragebaited

[tribal blade]

haha fair

[wicked urchin]

i hope they nerf transmitter into the ground

[young mural]

me too i never want to complete a fucking task ever in my life

[lucid jackal]

Costing energy just feels so awkward

[wicked urchin]

i ended up just playing sin and coming back to it reminded me how much i hate it

[lucid jackal]

It costs infinite energy

[wicked urchin]

like it's not hard or anything

but like

i hate it

y'feel?

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade

[haughty mural]

Ya thats why you cb the second one

[haughty mural]

It’s all muscle memory, you’ll get there champ

[lilac stag]

yep. and I haven't been on the rogue in a month.

stupid spec is just comfy slippies

[clever delta]

Transmitter survived another day, spymaster not

[lilac stag]

need to check bloodmallet. i think every other spec it's not nearly as cracked for as sub

[haughty mural]

like riding a bike

Did you guys kill her yet?

[lilac stag]

no, we have one more night. without being mean, just some really poor play by some people

we have more than enough dps, just folks unaliving themselves in p2

we had her as low as 38% going into intermission

[wicked urchin]

lowest pull?

[wild hornet]

Is there a way to fit 3 sectecs during blades

[lilac stag]

getting through 50% of plat 3. right now second platform is three ring circus

[wild hornet]

Or is the 3rd one left out to be casted during downtime with sod

[tribal blade]

no

[lilac stag]

rip dust

[wicked urchin]

so around shackles then?

or second ring

[wild hornet]

After dusts removal vanish is only used for one sstrike outside of cds?

[lilac stag]

we're going onto the 3rd platform with 50% alive so not getting out of that to start p3

[wild hornet]

Queen?

[lilac stag]

people just need to live basically

[wicked urchin]

ohhhhh

if you haven't gotten good p3 attempts might be pretty tough but i believe

[lilac stag]

we need to do 1 ring based on our dps.

so should be doable.

[bleak night]

i have faith

[lilac stag]

just need people to pay attention. we go again monday

[wicked urchin]

is it? im assuming thats with lust on pull

gamers

[lilac stag]

boss would be dead if we were gamers haha

[bleak night]

i hope to see you in race to world last

i will be rooting for you

[haughty mural]

Oh man unlucky

[lilac stag]

it's only good for resetting cdr. TFD way better overall

it's like people taking vigor / tea. just no point. doesnt do anything we really need

[wicked urchin]

im coming to the realization i'm not gonna be getting mythic trinkets next tier at all

feelsbad

[bleak night]

its ok daddy blizzard will give us our welfare dinar in .5 patch

[lilac stag]

You will via dinars

And you just need a hero house of cards

[wicked urchin]

thank god normal house of dinars is better than hero transmitter

house of dinar???

good job brain

[random comet]

Yeah it’s called the Dinar of Cards

[wicked urchin]

that's what it's gonna be for me

i think i won one roll the entire tier

literally

i'm the only person in guild without the VR neck/cloak

[lilac stag]

You’re rolling in guild?

[wicked urchin]

unfortunately

bis > upgrade

[clear osprey]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[edgy zenith]

tf I feel flooded on dance charges now with the Thousand Cuts buff

would we ever send only a dance?

felt like I might have had to if this fight went any longer

[wicked urchin]

well im hitting close to my sim dps on dummy now

my keybinds are so awkward and idk how i'd change them at this point

[bleak night]

same

[wicked urchin]

so much button bloat

[bleak night]

i can feel my brain expanding

[wicked urchin]

my brain is mashed potato i stop playing sub for a tier and forget how it works

[chrome flax]

Sub rogue meta this season?

[bleak night]

ask again later

[wicked urchin]

looking better than ass rn

[chrome flax]

Our time to shine

I feel like I do +30% damage

[wicked urchin]

i don't like assassination tbh so

[chrome flax]

Same, and outlaw I cant play this

[still vector]

I feel this

[wicked urchin]

i have tendinitis nty

[chrome flax]

They should revamp outlaw for a support/heal rogue. Stab you with syringe and give you all kind of buffs

[wicked urchin]

outlaw rogues would be handing out crack + meth

because that's what it requires to play

[still vector]

Outlaw is tiring lol

never doing it again

[wicked urchin]

it was fun in m+ but i'd get hand fatigue

[tepid trellis]

no

[edgy zenith]

wait I just had to send a natty dance though

maybe it's teh PI I'm getting from some random?

[chrome flax]

So I suppose there is like 5 sub rogue total?

[lilac stag]

There’s a base in here of about 20 of us. New season brings new faces. How long they stay usually depends on how long it takes for assa to get buffed.

[tribal blade]

if you're playing trickster and you sent a dance w/o symbols something's gone wrong

[edgy zenith]

bro but I had to

I was gonna overcap on broodtwister

[lilac stag]

Overcapping prob better

To get back on track

[edgy zenith]

nah, I just sent a natty dance, still had the two for flag window

fuck it extra dam

either I was high rolling, or PI makes you have too much dance gen

natty dance went hard

[chrome flax]

I play sub rogue since BC

[chrome flax]

I dont always play rogue, but when I do. Always sub since BC

is there other sub rogue discord?

[tribal blade]

don't think so no

[chrome flax]

lol

[haughty mural]

Is it though ?

😉

[alpine wraith]

oh they buffed remmnant

interesting

[wicked urchin]

sims 5k higher for me

[dry plank]

There are. I know one at least in ru segment

[haughty mural]

Oh really .. thought 626 transmitter will get beat by 665 hoc

[lilac stag]

Run it yourself tbh. It’s still ahead by a good deal.

[fringe palm]

626 transmitter loses https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283323275373838336/1344010723797237852/image.png?ex=67c2a6c7&is=67c15547&hm=a728597fed1d1e06cbdb24d52233ba2bb2d43914bdd9d42215e82665f40dd511&

[spark tusk]

is that against mythic house?

[fringe palm]

665 hoc

[spark tusk]

Is that mythic?

[fringe palm]

No mythic goes to 678

Or smth

[spark tusk]

ok cool

so my heroic transmitter can be replaced by heroic hoc thank christ

[haughty mural]

If you get it

[haughty mural]

Yea I’ll do

[spark tusk]

I mean

I got heroic transmitter didn't I?

Just loot it

[haughty mural]

More classes roll on hoc I think

But obviously just loot it yes

[fringe palm]

If it's 0.1% or even a bit more you should probably just replace mythic transmitter aswell if you have the option

[haughty mural]

[dense geode]

its bis for so many other ppl if u raiding in a guild u aint ever getting it

[spark tusk]

Good thing I'm not in a raiding guild

[dense geode]

ez

[wild hornet]

I wonder if mythic transmitter will keep up

[native epoch]

I have a question

[hollow spear]

If it doesn't get nerfed again

Mythic transmitter > heroic hoc

[native epoch]

What part would you recommend a 2x lens for?
You guys wouldn't recommend a 2x lens for the dagger?

[hollow spear]

Afaik, embellishments are inconsequential

[fallow nimbus]

Dagger will be the first craft for sure

[native epoch]

so you mean 2x lens on 2 daggers is one of good option right?

[wild hornet]

So what happened with the dinars, are we getting them back at some random time during midseason

[hollow spear]

I will probably go for dagger craft ascendancev and use the 2x thingy somewhere else. Maybe boots.

[fallow nimbus]

No, 1 dagger with lens then something else

[chrome flax]

is transmitter that op that its BiS in that patch as well?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

[chrome flax]

lmao

[fallow nimbus]

Until nerf

[spark tusk]

Mainhand dagger, then something else.

Offhand weapon is one of the least important slots

[chrome flax]

I think sub you need both dagger

[hollow spear]

No

[spark tusk]

Yes

[chrome flax]

you need fast weapon in off hand to proc poison

[native epoch]

oh I see

[hollow spear]

Wrong

[spark tusk]

No this is not why

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[chrome flax]

and that too

[spark tusk]

I mean it's only that

[chrome flax]

before we also had the random extra combo point per hit

[spark tusk]

poison is inconsequential for sub

[fallow nimbus]

With 1 dagger + x you can always switch from 2x lens to ascendance+neubar if something crazy happens with embellishment. It probably won't and they stay mediocre

[hollow spear]

You can keep your heroic/mythic s1 dagger for now

No need to craft offhand

[native epoch]

so 1 dagger + cloak or waist is one of good choice right?

[hollow spear]

Doesn't matter which second slot, especially early in the season it's quite rng what other pieces you get

[chrome flax]

first spark on main hand dagger?

[native epoch]

You guys are always a great help to me. I really appreciate it.

[chrome flax]

they lie so you cant beat them on the parses

[night sparrow]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vale pine]

probably yes, mainhand weapon is one of the strongest dps slots

but

[edgy zenith]

doesn't third boss drop a dagger?

[vale pine]

you can always wait for 2nd week for a craft, so you got a raid/m+ chest and potential loot

[edgy zenith]

that's like super good?

[night sparrow]

Hello there, the Shadowcraft refund sound trigger WA is made for when you gotta use a finisher right after another finisher right ?

[hollow spear]

It's literally five messages above yours 😅

[chrome flax]

He want to know how the WA work

[vale pine]

yes

[night sparrow]

Thank's

[quick swan]

It shows you in the link

[hollow spear]

Second or third. And that one's better than the later one for sub.

[mystic cloak]

Since there's no mastery/vers neck this season, what do you guys think about crafting a neck with embelishment instead of the usual slots?

[edgy zenith]

sub is sooooo up

[wild hornet]

[native epoch]

at the rotation, When shadow dance is not activated and there are less than 6 targets, do you use shuriken storm to get the bubble and then eviscerates?

[hollow spear]

Crit/vers m+ neck is also good. Trickster likes some crit.

But crafting is always a decent option for m+ vault slots imo. Didn't get a mythic skardyns the entire season.

[spark tusk]

Yes. Storm outside of dance to build. If trickster, use backstab once to proc unseen+nimble flurry if it’s down, then back to storm

[wild hornet]

If theres more than like 7 targets do you cast evis twice to get unseen on all targets

[quaint lodge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[native epoch]

So, if shadow dance is active and there are less than 6 targets, do you get a bubble with shadow strike?

[mystic cloak]

Yeah same, still rocking the heroic skardyns. Thanks, will consider it for third spark as it looks like there's not a lot of alternatives for that slot

[spark tusk]

Yes, always strike in dance as trickster especially, don’t know about ds

[spark tusk]

I don’t understand what you mean by get unseen on targets. Do you mean fazed? And if so, evis doesn’t apply it

Sectec is what aoe applies it

[chrome flax]

what BP as sub rogue mean?

[spark tusk]

Black powder

Your aoe filler finisher

[chrome flax]

Yeah, so only do it 7+ target?

[spark tusk]

Pins

[cursive vapor]

schwarzpulver 🇩🇪

[hollow spear]

Guys, read the pins

[chrome flax]

Yeah, Im reading it

but its only speaking of during dance

[night sparrow]

What's the dps % you lose by not using Backstab during Dance before Secret Tech ? I'm totally new to sub and keybinded Backstab and Shadowstrike are on the same Bar 1 keybind

[chrome flax]

I dont think you lose dps

[tepid trellis]

U don’t backstab in dance

Ever

[chrome flax]

My macro do Dance+ backstab

to get a free stack

[tepid trellis]

Yeah you shouldn’t

[night sparrow]

Alright, saw some rogues doing it tho for Danse Macabre

[wild hornet]

Oh yeah i mixed them up sorry

[night sparrow]

to gain 6% extra dmg on sec tech

[wild hornet]

So one evis is enough?

[chrome flax]

That is what I do tbh

[hollow spear]

Which is wrong

[tepid trellis]

It isn’t worth it

[tribal blade]

strike does a lot of dam

even more now with the buff to surprising strikes

[chrome flax]

So dance macabre is no brain unfortunately

[wild hornet]

I think after a strike evis and then sectec u get about enough increase from dm

[night sparrow]

Alright yeah get compensated by the dmg diff between backstab and shadowstrike

I guess

[hollow spear]

Backstab is dogwater compared to shadowstrike

[chrome flax]

so you just Dance at full combo point and do ST?

[night sparrow]

what if I'm a dog ? 🥸
Alright thank you guys

[wild hornet]

Sometimes i wonder if i should put backstab and sstrike on the same key

[hollow spear]

If you read any guide, you'll know what to do

[wild hornet]

Depending if im in sdance

[hollow spear]

Just saying 😅

[chrome flax]

then SS>Evi no stop

[tepid trellis]

Doesent matter if you dance on full or low cp

[wild hornet]

Sometimes my brain goes awooga and i press r instead of sstrike

[hollow spear]

All the guides in the bot link are great

[night sparrow]

That's what I did, totally new to sub, same keybind on bar 1 bc of stealth+SD/No stealth

People here told me that's not messed up

[tepid trellis]

I got rid of stealth bar many many years ago

[wild hornet]

My stealth bar is the same as the non stealth one

[maiden oar]

since sectech benefits from sb now do you want to always press sb before sectech or is pressing it right after still ok if you are fast

[tepid trellis]

Both are fine

Just make sure both sectechs land inside the blades window

[maiden oar]

ty

i like the racoon picture it is good

[hollow spear]

If you have muscle memory built up for after you shouldn't change it imo

[maiden oar]

i didnt know they let you put clothes on them

[night sparrow]

Alright think I got the largest part of sub theory.. now is time to work the muscle memory on target dummy

[alpine wraith]

time to blast

[hollow spear]

5 hours or bust

(remember to remove pots from your macros)

[night sparrow]

hahaha yeah done :>

[maiden oar]

if its a gain ill get used to it

[steel zinc]

I recommend doing mage Tower.

[maiden oar]

also with new unmacrod cb is there a danger of it not being up for 2nd sectech in cds if you press it when available on a sectech between them

[alpine wraith]

you would delay flag a big

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[alpine wraith]

just count you need around 10 secs or so when you press flag

[night sparrow]

Is it okay to bind pot on SB or Flag ?

[alpine wraith]

blades would be better

[steel zinc]

Blades

[maiden oar]

i was thinking maybe no cold blood out of cds but i guess thats cowardice

unless specific cd timing super importanr

[alpine wraith]

depends on your cdr situation if you can snipe CB when it is ready it is good

[maiden oar]

i see i guess i can use flag cd to eyeball it

ill figure it out ty

[chrome flax]

Thanks for all the tips everyone

good night

[tribal blade]

@lucid jackal thanks for the love in max's video ❤️

[wild hornet]

So only the 2nd part of sectec interacts with sblades yes?

Just making sure

[alpine wraith]

both work with blades just first hit is less important

if you use blades a bit later sometimes you can hit 1 extra ability in it

but if you want to be safe using it before is ok

[tulip gorge]

is tricks fixed yet on live?

[clever delta]

That eye trunket was already simming close to others passive trinkets so basically with transmitter and any passive trinket we are bis

[random hare]

?

[tulip gorge]

wasn't there a bug with trickster tricks not working properly?

[random hare]

Which bug are u talking about

[tulip gorge]

you know how trickster has 1 hour tricks

on ptr it stopped working

[steel zinc]

No tier is not working properly

[tulip gorge]

and you would get aggro

[steel zinc]

You just refresh it like in the past

[tulip gorge]

ok so it's bugged

[random hare]

Don’t think they fixed that

Besides its half bugged

[tribal blade]

we did talk about how tricks was bugged on ptr

[random hare]

so it works half the time

[tribal blade]

the past week

[hollow spear]

Half of the time it works everytime

[tulip gorge]

they pushed a hotfix last night and I wondered if they stealth fixed this too

[tribal blade]

you can prob just take the other talent in it's place if you want

[hollow spear]

Maybe better for my sanity

The perma tricks over my head is so bad

[tribal blade]

i tend to refresh tricks between pulls anyways, or if there's downtime

[random hare]

? Ur first time in wow or what

[hollow spear]

Played like that for the whole tier

[haughty mural]

yea i just take dont be suspicous for a long time now

[random hare]

Idk why u think they read this chat

[tulip gorge]

?

[random hare]

They won’t just fix something that ur thinking about over the night

[hollow spear]

Zeross back from his hibernation and immediately back at yapping

[tulip gorge]

dude are you pretending to be stupid

or what

[random hare]

Besides its one of the least bugged abilities

[tulip gorge]

this was a known issue on PTR

[lucid jackal]

I feel like I covered everything

[random hare]

Outlaw’s entire spec was bugged for 2 expansions

[random hare]

Very well known if u ask me

[tribal blade]

you did, he cut you off anyways haha

[tulip gorge]

right now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

[tribal blade]

"kthanksloveyoubye" hangs up call

[random hare]

@leaden prairie sub guys aren’t used to things not being fixed fast

[hollow spear]

I could have used more whining, Guy

[tulip gorge]

you could have just said "no, it's not fixed"

[haughty mural]

whats the point zeross ? he just asked if tricks was still bugged

[tulip gorge]

and be done with it

instead you have to act like a smartass

[hollow spear]

It's Zeross

What did you guys expect?

Sanity?

[lucid jackal]

Theres nothing to whine about

[random hare]

This is why I’m replying

[hollow spear]

Just jesting, dw

[random hare]

They never fix shit over a single day or 2

Usually takes 2-3 tiers

[haughty mural]

he just asked

[random hare]

Right it wasn’t obvious when I was talking to prophet earlier that it wasn’t fixed

Sure sure

[steel zinc]

https://youtu.be/d6TU96SrGQo?si=2STVq3VtGmc462fa

Does anyone know like on queen that we can step the reverbs in p2? So we can keep uptime

[hollow spear]

Even though our gear scaling is still ass. But that's not unique to this season

[random hare]

Dude ngl

All trinkets are trash in s2

They managed to buff casters most op passive trinket

Kinda weird

[lyric agate]

Is Sub now much different? Played it last time in DF.. but hear only negative stuff in TWW

[random hare]

No dust

[lyric agate]

Looks like it gonna be strongest Specc in S2 for Rogue

[random hare]

Rotation almost the same

Few changes in rules only

[lyric agate]

Still same smooth?

[night sparrow]

Why the F SD benefits from pandemic but you can't press SD at all if already under its effect >< like bruh

[random hare]

Smooth as fuck yea

Ur the one adding the lube tho

So

[maiden oar]

im pretty sure he is 99% dred during that

[random hare]

The better u play the smoother it is

[lyric agate]

Okey, so something like Assa is ngl

[maiden oar]

but i could be big noob and a liar

[random hare]

All ur dmg is in dance and cds now

[hollow spear]

Don't think it does pandemic. Symbols do.

Just reactivate before your next global when it runs out during burst

[random hare]

Exacteyely

[keen dome]

Yeah, Dance doesn't pandemic. Symbols does. You can't dance while dancing 'cos it's a stealth and you can't stealth. Double dancing would be funny though.

[hollow spear]

Multiplicative 30% amp

Sign me in

[keen dome]

The SUPER dance

We go.. PURPLE

[hollow spear]

That's when I'll rename to Flatley ing

[random hare]

It’s colophonius

What do u expect

[hollow spear]

You shouldn't expect much

[vestal escarp]

[hollow spear]

Just like my raid leader

[keen dome]

[distant bison]

everyone is a big boy now with their post season rio after the season1 dungeon nerfs... are they gonna carry it to first week of season 2?

[keen dome]

I'm not a big boy

[random hare]

Probably yes

[vestal escarp]

Wait

You can still get io?

[distant bison]

dude 12s are like 8s

[random hare]

Non seasonal Rio

[vestal escarp]

[random hare]

17 is like a 12

[vestal escarp]

Ok but can number still go up?

[distant bison]

yeah

[vestal escarp]

[distant bison]

season 2 they ll be like im 3400 season1 add me with my 1.2 overall

[keen dome]

Yeah, and portals

[vestal escarp]

Hm

Idc

Fomo lasted 7 seconds

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna be doing mostly guild keys at the start of the season so i don't really give a shit 😉

about boosting up my IO right now

[keen dome]

It's pretty nice being able to blast and get portals in chill 10's

Way more fun

[vestal escarp]

It's cringe cause i could get 100 points easily

But its all fake

[keen dome]

Isn't it always all fake anyway.

[vestal escarp]

Depends

[tribal blade]

my rank 1 court parse is fake

but i still love it

[keen dome]

My 0.01 Ulgrax parse isn't fake, but I love it too.

[tribal blade]

surprised it still hasn't been topped yet

[keen dome]

I really should've fixed it and got a kill where I don't die but it's just so funny.

Esp as it's still the 1644th highest log for Sub

Or rank, or whatever it is.

[vestal escarp]

I did my job in palace

Idc to compete with 10k reroller this tier

Last i checked r1 kyveza for 11.1 had 47% crit on evis

[keen dome]

Geez

[tribal blade]

as trickster or ds?

[vestal escarp]

[tribal blade]

if you say trickster that's kinda bonkers

[vestal escarp]

Nobody is playing ds

[tribal blade]

as it should be

another good thing foreverguy did well, shit on ds for sub

[vestal escarp]

[main wing]

i'm leveling my rogue now 70 to 80, im very rusty, feels alot of downtime between cds, lack of energy, is that normal?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[tribal blade]

feels like you're doing something wrong, you're not

[bleak night]

If you feel like you’re playing classic wow between cds then you’re doing it right

[keen dome]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".