subtlety

[leaden prairie]

btw

just wanted to tell you

[spark tusk]

[slate lantern]

Zeross just exists in a vicious life cycle, turbo yap for 3 days and then he has to go back into hibernation to recover from his red bull vibrations

[leaden prairie]

old af

[hollow spear]

Still thinking of maybe switching my rogue weakaura package before s2 hits

[young mural]

[spark tusk]

Honestly I don't know why it exists it's just so inconsequential it seems

[young mural]

garf fat as fuck

[spark tusk]

Whipsyr took the APL lines out regarding pandemic

like who cares anymore it's just there to look pretty it doesn't inform you of doing anything

[swift tinsel]

wait so sin isn't sending envenom in the last second anymore

[lilac stag]

No

[swift tinsel]

gamers

[leaden prairie]

idk

but im ngl

[lilac stag]

The only big brain in lingering

[leaden prairie]

i hate

that i had to take your thing

i try to keep code to a minimal

in my weak auras

and i was so mad when i found out

[hollow spear]

Using devlin rn, any really good packages specifically for sub?

[leaden prairie]

i couldnt track that thing with bars

without code

so now im hate using your weak aura

[slate lantern]

LE

[vale pine]

you can technically ask weakauras to add functionality if its not in the baseline

[spark tusk]

Yup. And it's complicated by the fact that several bugs around the buff make minimal-code trakcing of it difficult as well

[leaden prairie]

ye but idk

[spark tusk]

Like the buff randomly changes duration and lacks some events firing, so I had to construct the event structure myself making it massively more complicated than it should be

[slate lantern]

i use devlin for law, LE for sub and I stylized them both after zacs

[leaden prairie]

i think that sin thing is like unique

isnt it

[spark tusk]

Sin and Ironfur

And uh

what's the dk one

festermight?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[leaden prairie]

hm

[swift tinsel]

rolling stacks you mean

[leaden prairie]

ye idk if they would add that

[spice saffron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[swift tinsel]

with their own duration

[leaden prairie]

as a functionality

for something so niche

[vale pine]

sounds like a nightmare to optimize

[spark tusk]

I'd write it differently if I were to do it again, but only slightly, it's not too terrible once you get into it it just involves work

But I'm not doing it again

because it seems like nothing matters for sin

you just go andp ush buttons

[hollow spear]

sin most nihilistic spec

[swift tinsel]

don't even kingsbane anymore

[spark tusk]

Whispyr had pulls on stream with an opener kingsbane parry on queen

[dusty totem]

In st with m+ build it was quite helpful tho

[swift tinsel]

imagine getting parried

[spark tusk]

still did giga damn in opener

like who cares

[swift tinsel]

[leaden prairie]

wouldnt have had happened if he played trickster

no cap

[spark tusk]

TRUE

[spark tusk]

Well I'm still going to maintain it so it'll still be out there for you 🙂

[shy orbit]

do i use the single target build against the first 4 bosses in Mythic neruba?

[mental kettle]

ngl sub is acc quite fun now wtf

[slate lantern]

ngl i thought your prof pic was a hedgehog

[hazy breach]

Theres no aoe build

So yes

[swift tinsel]

you can run the cleave build if you want its like 1 talent diff

but st is fine

[spark tusk]

I've heard that before. You're free to believe that

[vale pine]

i have a solution to that ^^

[lilac stag]

I thought KB was dead

[vale pine]

bring a sub rogue and remove parry from the encounter

[alpine wraith]

a very masochistic outlaw works too

god give you strenght if you enjoy trickster outlaw

[swift tinsel]

It's actually kinda fun

[hollow spear]

they should give killing spree a built in cloak of shadows

[swift tinsel]

I jokingly tried it out bc I was gonna be the only trickster outlaw logging s2

[hollow spear]

I'd totally play trickster outlaw then

[swift tinsel]

and it's kinda fun

[lilac stag]

run it for Zek.

all the sprees

[swift tinsel]

maybe for farm I'll send it lol

[night sparrow]

Hello ! Does putting Blades in the Trinket+Pot+Dance+Symbols macro instead of casting it right before Secret Technique make a huge difference ?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[hollow spear]

@alpine wraith why does the link to your spreadsheet still lead to "DF things ARCHIVE"?

[swift tinsel]

you lose a whole premed

[night sparrow]

Oh for the free full cp generation ?

Alright gotcha thx

[alpine wraith]

does it?

should link to the main page

[hollow spear]

Trinket+pot+dance+symbols macro? Is that a thing?

[hollow spear]

weird, I always get routed to the DF tab

[alpine wraith]

let me fix that

[tepid trellis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[night sparrow]

idk I'm learning sub and that's what I've seen of Fuu's guide. What's your opinion on that ?

[lilac stag]

Opinion on what?

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[tiny sierra]

!burst

[hollow spear]

you should press those buttons, but the general recommendation is not to macro

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[tiny sierra]

this is why you don't macro it

[steel horizon]

you're gonna use dance and symbols on their own in between big bursts so idk if it makes sense to put dance and symbols in that macro.

[hollow spear]

exactly

[lilac stag]

we the anti macro spec

Subtlety Rogue Teaches Typing 2025

[steel horizon]

but pot+trinket+blades macro seems like it would be fine

[lilac stag]

It is, which is why it’s listed

[night sparrow]

I'd go on having a major CDs macro Pot/Trinket/Dance/Symbols BUT still having dedicated binds for Dance and Symbols separately, so total of 3. Seems fine isnt it ?

[lilac stag]

whatever makes you happy

[spark tusk]

Yes, if you combine them it's fine as long as you still have a separate standalone for each

[lilac stag]

If that macro does, then go for it

[spark tusk]

the point is that you need to be able to access them individually

[lilac stag]

It’s an extra bind

[night sparrow]

Alright I'm totally newbie to sub so was asking in case I was missing something

[spark tusk]

Problem with me and that is

If I macro it, I just get used to pressing the macro

and then when I should press the macro

I do

So I just don't and always keep them separate

[night sparrow]

It's just a fking shitshow to press 4 buttons at once while having to WASD at the same time tbf

[alpine wraith]

ok now should be fine

[night sparrow]

Understandable

[alpine wraith]

funny it did not let me delete the old one

[hollow spear]

haha

too popular

[lilac stag]

Work out your binds. Mess with them so they are comfy.

[keen dome]

And practice. It's a lot, but it'll come.

[swift tinsel]

also using your mouse more for movement helps free up left hand bandwidth

[keen dome]

Doesn't have to be perfect overnight. Just getting comfy and building on it is a good first step.

[slate lantern]

Binds are so funny cause everyone has their own system and everyone else's look fucking ridiculous

[swift tinsel]

the JPC binds

[lilac stag]

binds & ui are personal.

[swift tinsel]

or Reckfuls

[lilac stag]

find what works for you

[keen yew]

see! i have st on f1 and sd on p it shouldn't be strange

[hollow spear]

jpc's binds were something else

[swift tinsel]

what the fuck P bind

[keen dome]

p?? How big are your hands. I'm in awe.

[hardy snow]

Evis and BP also cannot always beneft from the 4p. just tested.

[swift tinsel]

listening to him describe it with everyone else made him sound literally insane

[hardy snow]

4p only works occasionally.

[swift tinsel]

from the vid with Growl, Ellesmere, Nerf I think and some others

[steel horizon]

i have a g502 and have symbols bound to the top left button. its great

[keen yew]

i wish actually (not doing that i do not even go as far as 5)

[bleak night]

yeah my number binds stop at 4 lmao

5 is so far away

[swift tinsel]

1-5, Shift+1-5

Q,E,R,T,F,G

[keen yew]

g ??

gz

[swift tinsel]

Shift on all those

[slate lantern]

I stop at 3

[bleak night]

g too far away for me too

[keen dome]

I have blind on z.

[bleak night]

qerzxfc

1-4

[swift tinsel]

G is comfy on my keyboard

[bleak night]

then modifier keys and mouse buttons

[swift tinsel]

2x mouse thumb buttons plus middle mouse

middle mouse stealth, shift+middle mouse is blades

[keen yew]

that's insane

i mean

impressive

[swift tinsel]

shift+R is my old sectech cb macro

[hollow spear]

yeah, I was like "How can you be that good with these binds?"

[swift tinsel]

so I hit them simultaniously

[steel horizon]

im a g enjoyer as well

[keen dome]

I use G for shuriken toss

[swift tinsel]

like if you buy into the whole scheme it makes sense but I'd have to hard-rewire my brain to do that lmao

its like Z and X are strafe

[keen yew]

incredble ngl im so disabled i do not even use mouse buttons

[dusty totem]

i use "s-4" for sec cold "t" for sec tech with trink shadow blades and pot and "s-c" for sec tech only

[swift tinsel]

now I do R for naked and shift R for macro

[slate lantern]

Builders mixed with spenders, gross

[vale pine]

the keys i use kinda

[obtuse dirge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[swift tinsel]

so I don't simul-press anymore now that macro is dead

[steel horizon]

sectec on 6!!

[swift tinsel]

~ is my extra action button

[bleak night]

thats my stealth key

[spark cargo]

Who TF is pushing 8!?

[keen dome]

I have my right hand on my keyboard so hitting keys is easy. Six can be hit with my pinkie

[midnight geyser]

wgats a guide i can use to min max sub?

[bleak night]

or dispel/soothe on other classes

[swift tinsel]

how are your Z and Y swapped

[vale pine]

german layout

[swift tinsel]

ohhh

[slate lantern]

Ayy me too

[swift tinsel]

very interesting

[bleak night]

qwertz sounds more german

makes sense

[spark cargo]

Roast me

[swift tinsel]

didn't realize those would be swapped

[keen yew]

man bind your spells wft

[bleak night]

dude names his macros

[midnight geyser]

brother

its not that bad acc

[vale pine]

tho not entirely sure if the layout i posted is even german

[keen dome]

BOOM

10/10

[spark cargo]

Gotta have the boom macro, former 3 min mage

[swift tinsel]

Q is usually my big cooldowns but for sub it was SoD before flag or blades became what they are

[chilly kite]

thought i was the only one with sectek as boom lol

[swift tinsel]

so for sod/dance I hit Q and 3

1 bs/strike, 2 evisc, 3 dance, 4 step, 5 rupture

[bleak night]

r is normally where i put major cds

[keen dome]

I put Dance and SoD on R/Ctrl+R when I demacro'd them and it's so comfy.

[swift tinsel]

R is important ability that isn't spammed

[shell willow]

mousewheel up for major cds mousewheel down for utility/tricks

[chilly kite]

i'm prolly screwing myself, i macro'd sectek into the end ofa dance macro then have a sperate key for cb sectek

[night sparrow]

Am I a freak ? 🥸 🥸

[swift tinsel]

so it made sense for sectech

[bleak night]

ive been working on where to put sub cds though since they're a bit different than the other spec/classes i play

[wheat edge]

Moba players with Q as builder, R as big spender rise up

[keen yew]

☠️

[dusty totem]

This is the only correct way to play sub...

[spark cargo]

I only have Dance + Thistle and SecTek with PvP on use

[hardy snow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[bleak night]

dude has cheap shot on his bars

[barren wren]

Dance 4 symbols 5 sectech alt+3

[keen yew]

how many sectec do you need

[swift tinsel]

F2 cheap shot

[spark cargo]

How do I delete someone else's message?

[keen dome]

always more

[swift tinsel]

F3 distract

[dusty totem]

two of them are macro

[bleak night]

i might try using F keys

[swift tinsel]

E kick, shift E focus kick

[bleak night]

F1-F3 i could probably use for things i dont press often

[slate lantern]

flag on 2 is WILD

[swift tinsel]

shift 3 is focus set macro

[hollow spear]

saaaame

[bleak night]

num keys are all mouse buttons

[barren wren]

Feint on 0

[bleak night]

also this is open world bars so random shit

[dusty totem]

Avg assa player

[keen yew]

THIS

[barren wren]

Is eve crazier for me

[shell willow]

flag on 2 helps me rotationally i shadowstrike and flag then spender

[swift tinsel]

feint is shift-MB2

[keen yew]

it's O isn't it ?

not like it's much closer

[keen dome]

What's the fish do

[shell willow]

so 1 - 2 - 3 or 1 -2 - Shft 1

[bleak night]

he fish

[keen yew]

ah no

[weary kite]

not at all, pretty standard. If ur sub rogue keybinds arent fucked you prob parse blue anyways

[bleak night]

i need to make money somehow

[keen dome]

valid

[swift tinsel]

feverishly scans map for Blood in the Water

[midnight geyser]

what guiide can i use to minmax sub

[hazy breach]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[bleak night]

now i want to use fish as like

[slate lantern]

yeah like not bad in a vacuum but putting a 1.5m cs on one of the easiest buttons is still wild

[bleak night]

a blades macro or something

[dusty totem]

It can only be taught from master to student

[swift tinsel]

I used to use the fish icon for escalating blade

bc you're fishing for procs

[keen dome]

A long time ago in.. I wanna say WoD? I got bored and re-did all my abilities with different icons via macros.

[swift tinsel]

was normal icon until SnD aura was up

[keen dome]

There was a big problem in this though because I couldn't remember what-was-what.

[swift tinsel]

or the pvp way of macroing every single ability with a diff #showtooltip

so you have like six dances

six vanishes

[valid vault]

does nimble flurry work the same as blade flurry? like the aoe comes from your character model

[hazy breach]

Yes

[slate lantern]

ya

[valid vault]

nice ty

[slate lantern]

they stole it from us

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna look into the radius of that again

[slate lantern]

so now we yap in their channel as punishment

[swift tinsel]

bc I wanna know lol

[midnight geyser]

wait

sub has

bf

[keen dome]

yeah

[valid vault]

im doing heroic as sub, got a crisp 34 parse on ulgrax

[bleak night]

sub takes everything good outlaw has

[keen dome]

but it's a buff proc instead of a button

[midnight geyser]

what da fuk

[hazy breach]

Theyre giving all specs BF nowadays you know

[shell willow]

lol fair enough

[swift tinsel]

yeah be more mad at sin for taking it first

[bleak night]

sub took dreadblades though

so still valid to hate

[midnight geyser]

my spec is slowly dying

[keen dome]

It trucks

[midnight geyser]

dude i fuckin loved dreadblades

[swift tinsel]

imagine if it flurried blades

[stiff kiln]

!sheet

[midnight geyser]

it had issues

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight geyser]

but like

[lilac stag]

Dead since legion

[swift tinsel]

or wasn't reduced by armor

[midnight geyser]

weve had our moments

[swift tinsel]

wait is it double reduced or does it take the damage value pre-mitigation

I should know this

just delete armor from all npcs

[keen dome]

Wait

that'd make Warriors super powerful

[swift tinsel]

antiquated since we don't use sunder or expose armor

[keen dome]

bring back sunder

[swift tinsel]

make them pay

[bleak night]

that would benefit outlaw

so dont do it

[keen dome]

Bring back sunder and give it to Outlaw

[swift tinsel]

nah they just get cratered harder

make ghostly strikes affect whole raid

there's a raid buff

[dusty totem]

Looks like it is just exactly equal to ur melee range

[midnight geyser]

remmeber beginning of shadowlands

or df

the cdr raid buff

that never came out

that would of been fuckin nutty

[swift tinsel]

oh the raidwide restless blades?

[midnight geyser]

ye

[swift tinsel]

they should give that to sub tbh

[bleak night]

true

[swift tinsel]

raidwide deepening

[alpine wraith]

it was partywide

so it was going to be a bloodbath

same as when feral ALMOST got leader of the pack in pve

people were going to burn blizz hq

[bleak night]

outlaw enhance feral locked in to one party

every melee fighting for 2 spots

[celest wyvern]

sory for asking but when u wana use ur shadow dance midfight i mean when u are out of u burst rotation and Secret is on cd when u go to ur dance i mean for example when how many seconds left from secret technique u use ur dance sry my english not perfect

[swift tinsel]

you'd want to go into dance with secret technique either ready or with 10 seconds or less left on its cooldown

if you're using it with symbols of death

[midnight geyser]

!cd

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[hoary bloom]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[swift tinsel]

Secret Technique is very important, so you use Dance and Symbols around it

[celest wyvern]

so we have to hold our dance and symbol untill get 2 charges and then use shadowblades and flag even when we are midfight?

[swift tinsel]

but only use them if you can make sure you can have 2 Symbols, 2 Dance and 2 Secret Technique in flag

[serene owl]

do you not use black powder in m+ anymore is it just evisecerate for trickster

[hazy breach]

7 targets you bp

6 or less you evis

[slate lantern]

nimble flurry got buffed

[swift tinsel]

you dont need 2 at the time flag is ready, just close like the Cooldown Use message says

[celest wyvern]

yeah because we would have another one due to cdr am i right?

[swift tinsel]

you stop casting Secret when Flag cooldown is under 20 seconds

[swift tinsel]

yes, you'll get more cdr in cooldowns so having 1 dance ready and 1 with 30-40 seconds left on cooldown is safe

[rotund obsidian]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[swift tinsel]

and Symbols having 1 ready and 1 with 10 seconds left on cooldown is safe

[celest wyvern]

as you know most of wa's are class specific is there any way to make them "spec" specific?

[slate lantern]

set them only to load on spec?

[swift tinsel]

Yes, load conditions can be set per spec

[celest wyvern]

u helped alot thank u very much i didnt play sub about 1 and half expansion so most of my questions answered

[swift tinsel]

good luck!!

[midnight geyser]

what do we do about bad energy in aoe

when we have tyo save sd and sod for flag/sb

[hazy breach]

Nothing

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[midnight geyser]

also where am i getting cp from randomly?

i havent touched since s2 of df

[hazy breach]

Shadow Techniques (passive)

and/or shadowcraft (a talent)

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight geyser]

is there a way to predict

or is it ranodmo

[alpine wraith]

you can look at your autos and count them

then also check if you missed

every time

at least now the autos always come in pairs after dagger speed normalization

[swift tinsel]

there's a WA or two that should show if you really need to know

[tulip gorge]

look at the warcraft logs for the raid this week, sub is definitely getting nerfed

[swift tinsel]

we're tuned around s2 stuff

which we don't have yet

so we look bonkers

[tulip gorge]

you think blizzard is competent enough to actually do that?

because I have low expectations

[slate lantern]

jerk reactions incoming

[swift tinsel]

its almost like they tuned stuff on ptr with tier in mind and not in a vacuum

and will keep tuning once more gear is acquired

[tulip gorge]

and then they will see sub good in the first week

and do a knee jerk nerf

like they did with warrior

[midnight geyser]

so let me get sub gameplay right

everything is now cenetered around flag/sb burst windows instead of sd sectec on cd(s2 df)

i want to always go into those windows knowing ill have 2 uses of sod and sd during

everything after that is pretty much the same(cp generation, maintain rupture, overcap, etc etc)

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[swift tinsel]

pretty much the gist of it

[midnight geyser]

are there strict rules on timing/when to hold so i have 2sd and sod? or is it situational and i gotta learn by feel

[swift tinsel]

SoD is pretty scripted bc of the fixed cooldown

Dance you can hold when flag is around 30seconds left but having skyfury makes a difference

Sectech typically hold when flag is 20sec left

cdr plays a role though

[midnight geyser]

yeah

windfury seesm big

[swift tinsel]

its very impactful bc of shadow techniques

[midnight geyser]

start holding or already have 1 charge

[swift tinsel]

with it, you can reliably send dance twice between major cooldown windows

[midnight geyser]

also why dont we play tea

bad pathing thru main tree?

[swift tinsel]

its not as good as cb

[midnight geyser]

i see

[swift tinsel]

people feelycraft it bc it gives energy between cd windows where our damage doesn't matter

[midnight geyser]

also, do any talents between m+, st and hybrid builds change rotation?

[lilac stag]

We don’t need energy in dance.

[midnight geyser]

id rather have big burst with cb

[swift tinsel]

but you lose guaranteed crits on all sectech hits

[lilac stag]

We don’t do dmg out of cds

[swift tinsel]

on 2nd sectech

where its super juiced

[lilac stag]

No point in having it

[swift tinsel]

The only realy rotation diff between st and m+ is bp at 7+ targets

[midnight geyser]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

and you use 2nd charge of The Rotten with Shuriken Storm

to spread find weakness for bp

otherwise you just play single target rotation and make sure Flawless Form is up

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

and in dance

[swift tinsel]

In dance you only strike

[midnight geyser]

we still do smth like shurkien storm>evi>shadowstrike>sectec?

[swift tinsel]

bc it procs unseen blade

and storm doesn't

strike - sectech - storm - bp at 7+

then strike - bp

[midnight geyser]

interesting

what about dance macabre stacks

[swift tinsel]

strike does way more damage and procs unseen blade

[midnight geyser]

i remember those being really important for sectec back in f

[swift tinsel]

you don't play around danse anymore

[midnight geyser]

ahh

[swift tinsel]

its nice extra damage

[midnight geyser]

so i just shadowstrike spam

[swift tinsel]

but you don't play around it

[midnight geyser]

and make sure to use shurkiken once in aoe for the stack

[swift tinsel]

its for Find Weakness spread in aoe at 7+

so BP does extra damage with shadowed finishers (talent)

and bc The Rotten is bugged, you need to strike to consume the first stack and storm on the second

if you storm with first stack, it consumes both

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

one talent difference between aoe and st build

[swift tinsel]

essentially

[midnight geyser]

this spec is literally turning into outlaw

[swift tinsel]

switch shadow focus with improved shuriken storm

[midnight geyser]

ill take an easier barrier to entry, it seems more complicated/has had some sin/outlaw influence

which i like

old sub was pretty boring to me

[swift tinsel]

current sub takes a bit getting used to but once you get the core concepts down its pretty simple gameplay

and since we do so much of our damage inside of flag/blades, the things you do outside of it don't matter as much

as long as you're getting cdr

[midnight geyser]

yeah\

and saving s

d

thats gonnna be my issue 100%

[swift tinsel]

not everyone loves the energy economy outside of dance so that's a hurdle for some

[midnight geyser]

im not used to low enbergy and cd saving

i dont mind it honestly i think it makes it interesting

[swift tinsel]

yeah the more you practice the smoother it feels

[midnight geyser]

are we holdinmg cds in the new raid

or does everything line up nice

[swift tinsel]

not sure, haven't looked at any fights yet

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

adn last thing

[swift tinsel]

I think one boss has 2min vuln but idk if its good to hold stuff for 30sec

[midnight geyser]

yeah

am i supposed to be lining up my dance with sod outside of burst for better cdr

[swift tinsel]

you'll use sectech as the anchor point for those two

when its up or has 10sec left on its cooldown you can send

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

and vanish still do big backstab dam?

[swift tinsel]

bc supercharger will bring its cooldown down

eh

you vanish for premeditation

or to break roots if needed

you can skip it in your opener and not lose out

[midnight geyser]

and do we not need to cast snd

[swift tinsel]

nope

[midnight geyser]

shii

ight

[swift tinsel]

evisc grants SnD

[midnight geyser]

ty

[swift tinsel]

3 sec per cp

[somber ether]

you evisc in the opener then forget about it

[swift tinsel]

and they fixed coup to grant snd too

[midnight geyser]

ty

[lucid jackal]

Sub has never been more back

[smoky vault]

And because of that I suggest not to overthink optimisation symbol + sectec between 0 to 25 sec waiting flag, before getting the feeling and muscle memory ready to take risks. Sub Plays like fire mage but with less burst ultime and so a biggest one. But THAT, is problematic to me : should actually get the same design but with daggers and shadow at mind to be more fluid and make the core spec interacting with big CDs

[swift tinsel]

this is one of the first times in a while I'm excited to log in and blast

[lucid jackal]

Huh

[smoky vault]

Hah !

[uneven scarab]

[alpine wraith]

hmm

[keen dome]

Jazz patch for the Jazz (or Ska) spec. It's a match made.

[swift tinsel]

If the raid plays Reel Big Fish after a boss kill instead of the DMB sound I'm hooked for life

[shy orbit]

so when you guys get a mechanic, do you guys submit and accept that you will be losing your burst from flag etc?

[swift tinsel]

I tell the raid to deal with what happens

I don't move

jk jk depends on what it is

[shy orbit]

it just happened ot me on sikran and im sure theres like plenty of instances like that

[keen dome]

Yeah, sometimes it's just rip.

[vestal fog]

Wipe the raid

[swift tinsel]

sikran can int your sectech if you're not careful

[shy orbit]

int?

[swift tinsel]

if you get first charge

[swift tinsel]

sabotage

if you do the quick opener it helps

[keen dome]

If a mechanic is coming up and I've got CD's for bust, I might delay a second or two to see if it goes on me or someone else (Ky'veza, for example) but sometimes you can't do anything and just have to accept you aren't parsing.

[swift tinsel]

or if its something I can cloak or vanish

[keen dome]

Playing mechanics is the more important thing, after all.

[swift tinsel]

mouseover shadowstep abuse also helps a lot of you need to get out and in quick

or vanish-strike teleport

another reason why I'm leaning towards not vanishing in the opener

[shy orbit]

what about when ads spawn for example, when youre sent under in bosses like bloodhound

is it a massive dmg boost to switch to the ads?

[swift tinsel]

depends

on if you're assigned to or not

we just kinda yolo some of that stuff

[uneven scarab]

I mean its not really a damage boost

Its just what does your raid need

Where do they need the damage

[swift tinsel]

if it lines up with 40sec sectech, cool

yeah I look at what timings line up and if it pays to delay 10-15 seconds its w/e

[uneven scarab]

Queen webs p1 is a good example

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah

we get good timing there

[uneven scarab]

Cd’s perfectly line up

to explode the webs

[swift tinsel]

or the amps on court

[uneven scarab]

Yeah that as well

[lilac stag]

Too bad they are not counted on wcl

[swift tinsel]

[uneven scarab]

[lilac stag]

[uneven scarab]

no one knows our achievements and they never will

sub fake spec

[swift tinsel]

(I link Enemy Damage Taken details SS)

[uneven scarab]

[random comet]

Just another one of our Secrets

[uneven scarab]

As u should

[swift tinsel]

gotta keep the rest of the rabble honest

also establish dominance

[uneven scarab]

(I pretend its to raise morale so guildies will do more damage)

[swift tinsel]

Hey some people respond positively to public shaming

I'm not one to let them miss that opportunity

facilitating these beautiful butterflies spreading their wings

[crisp pond]

anyone know the difference between trickster and ds in st? is there any debate between them?

[swift tinsel]

trickster is 3ish% ahead in s2

[crisp pond]

thanks sir!

[subtle sail]

is there something rogues do that make atrophic poison do more than 3% dr

[swift tinsel]

more details in the second pin

[alpine wraith]

there is a talent that increases it by 20%

to 3.6

[subtle sail]

ty

[worn tulip]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[bronze turret]

@sly shore you got a plater profile too?

[hazy breach]

Why is there an akaari's soul on my bloodhound log

Blizzaaaaaaaaaaaaaard

[ebon oyster]

[bleak night]

ono

[alpine wraith]

didnt log yourself smh

unlcul

[hazy breach]

I guess the guy logging wasnt down

Thanks blizz

[sly shore]

possibly

[swift tinsel]

[haughty mural]

[mighty citrus]

you do this cause you are used to or you consider it better pull blades after sectec

[swift crest]

i was using jundies plater but it seems to be set up for assa

the debuffs

[swift tinsel]

sub doesn't really need to track any nameplate debuffs so you can whitelist rupture

[hollow spear]

Did some of you guys int their parses in heroic to make them buff us for next week?

[uneven scarab]

Thats what happens when blizz gives you a fat baseline buff that wasnt even warranted

[swift tinsel]

I'll have you know I have 100's for every ilvl parse tyvm

[cobalt veldt]

question: why we use finishers only with 6 or more Combo Points? Is it because of Energy costs?

[hollow spear]

Wdym, that value is gigabad 😄

[haughty mural]

[misty hare]

Is it worth rupturing on big pulls? Thinking first pull of rookery or NW. If so, do you spread ruptures or all targets or just 1 rupture and proceed?

[hazy breach]

Yes you usually rupture everything that lives for like 10+ seconds outside of dance

but you dont really want to delay your cooldowns (ie flag/blades) for it

So rupture until the pack is gathered, then send CDs

[slate lantern]

Plus rupturing is a good way to wait for your tank to gather things before popping burst

Yeah what raichu said

[whole abyss]

Do you send the second shadow dance as soon as the first one is over?

[swift tinsel]

yes

[misty hare]

Ahh I didn't think about the rupture while gathering cool ty

[swift tinsel]

then you send 2nd Symbols when sectech has 10sec left on its cooldown

[hazy breach]

Ye and if mobs are still alive after your cooldowns you rupture the rest outside of dance

[hexed sluice]

the keybinding screenshots remind me I need to fix mine up. If only ctrl was easy to reach reliably.

[warm veldt]

stealth on Q is some hipster shit

[swift tinsel]

I do the pinky curl on ctrl

[kind bluff]

Someone said that we aren't supposed to just have Ss and backstab on the same key, just on stealth bar? Does that cause a problem?

[slate lantern]

FISH

[keen dome]

Just use your other hand for the keyboard. THumb up on control.

[slate lantern]

Pickpocket on keybinds is wild

[hexed sluice]

Its where I had displace on mage.

[uneven scarab]

Q was my snd bind forever

[hexed sluice]

Gotta get wax somehow

Fishing I just move up to F or Shift-E when im fishing.

[keen dome]

Macro pickpocket and Sap together. The best combo

[solemn creek]

What are u smoking. Its a rebalance of power. Not a buff 😅 they took away a lot of the power from 4p. Right now sub is mid. We are far from giga.

[warm veldt]

(nobody has the new tier yet)

(so its a buff)

[hexed sluice]

Oh thats a good idea

[hexed sluice]

Ive tried that its just too far down to do comfortably

[hexed dagger]

can you rup during just Sod?

or wait til totally out of CDs usually?

[swift tinsel]

tbf I use ctrl for maybe once-in-a-fight binds

[small juniper]

have u tried pressing control w the bottom of ur pinky

[hazy breach]

Ye you can

[swift crest]

shift q stealth bis

[fickle mason]

How strong is our new tier set relative to other classes? Are they all around the 15 percent mark?

[swift tinsel]

middle mouse stealth op

[swift crest]

bro get a mouse with atleast 2 side buttons and bind shift and ctrl to each

no ones pressing ctrl on their keyboard

[swift tinsel]

skill dif

[warm veldt]

I use my palm to hit ctrl

[swift crest]

why

mouse with two side buttons is a requirment

[warm veldt]

what if I told you

my side buttons

are bound

[swift crest]

3s better for binding to alt

[hexed sluice]

I have a 2 side button mouse, but those are bound to push to talk for discord, and push to talk for ingame voice on games that have it

[swift crest]

u gotta bind em to modififers

[warm veldt]

ya really dont

[swift crest]

w/e

[keen dome]

You've just got to find what's comfortable for you.

There's no hard or fast rules about it. If it works, it works.

[swift crest]

binding side mouse buttons to modifiers is objectivly the best

[warm veldt]

drop the r.io and we'll listen cuh

[hexed sluice]

My keybindings are mostly also just hold over from my RTS keybindings, I also play league with WASD for camera movement

cause its comfy

[swift tinsel]

or you press shift and alt like a regular person and have mouse side buttons for other things

[swift crest]

oh u did 1000 keys last season timing like 15% of them?

[warm veldt]

no?

[swift crest]

i pugged my way to 3.2k with like a 70% success rate. i imagine you had a higher score yet attempted tripple the amount of keys

in a team

[keen dome]

I've played with people who click and still perform to a high level. if it works for you, the individual, then it's good. Everyone is going to do things differently.

[swift crest]

with an aug lel

am i right

[warm veldt]

oh nvm, I just realized im punching way down

slay, king

[swift crest]

yea keyboard pressing ctrl is punching down for sure

[hexed sluice]

3.2k pugging

[swift crest]

pug cap was 14s

[hexed sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/badboy-alert-nod-gif-12143254

[warm veldt]

wtf is a pug cap

[swift crest]

cant go higher without a team and progging the keys like most high ioers do

no coms no team etc @warm veldt

[sudden tree]

Any of u that got a mount macro for the new Ride and old mounts?

[swift tinsel]

isn't it just something like /cast (car name)

[keen dome]

Pretty sure people have pugged above 14's this season

[swift crest]

sure

[warm veldt]

no youre wrong it's capped

he said so

[swift crest]

but raider io guys usally have little cliques

and they often time 1 high key for every 20 attempts

[solemn creek]

Having a 12 side button mouse is objectivly best. Change my mind

[molten citrus]

brother. google.

[keen dome]

You could have more buttons

[swift crest]

2-3 is bis

to many is uncomfy

get a logitech g502

[solemn creek]

But when i prews ctrl with my palm and alt. Thats 36 keybind!

[solemn creek]

Thats subjective

[swift crest]

g502 is the milenium falcon of mice

[keen dome]

More

[solemn creek]

Dont mess up the word

[swift crest]

tried and tested

[hollow spear]

Talking about something that is highly subjective: it's objectively the best

Good talk 😄

[solemn creek]

This guys gets it

[swift crest]

binding 2 side buttons to shift and crtl or alt is objectively bis

[keen dome]

The g502 is cool but it's also useless because they never made a left-handed one so lol

[swift crest]

left handed mouse

[warm veldt]

guys what if the answer all along is simply adding two pedals to your desk and binding them to ctrl and shift

objectively the best

[solemn creek]

That is best

[swift tinsel]

I use blink modifiers

[hexed sluice]

This man has never heard of left handed people

[swift tinsel]

that track my eyes

[keen dome]

Yeah I can't disagree: this is objectively the correct answer.

[swift crest]

they dont rest naturally under ur thumb. you dont get it disco

the modifers on ur mouse rest under ur thumb

[warm veldt]

disco gets everything, baby

[swift tinsel]

ctrl rests under my pinky

[hollow spear]

I was actually thinking about that once

[swift crest]

i multi class so i have a very efficient specific and most importantly logical binding system

[molten citrus]

i just punch my monitor to toggle shift on and off

[hexed sluice]

Hooking up a steering wheel for the undermine is BIS technically.

[keen dome]

agreed

[molten citrus]

[keen dome]

but only if it plays inital D soundtrack

[warm veldt]

wait bro, forget pedals - get a gear stick to slap you in w/e mod you wanna be in

[keen dome]

"Hang on I'm shifting gears into burst"

[hollow spear]

lmao

I messed up the downshift guys, sorry

raid wipes

[keen dome]

"Guys I'm playing manual today, so my burst might be a bit slow"

[hexed sluice]

reaching over to the passenger seat lumbar adjuster for trinkets.

[swift crest]

you have kidney shot on 2, inbetween shadowstrike on 1 and evis 3

so werid wild and wacky

pvper or somthing?

[clever delta]

I'm still pissed that will be stuck with transmitter for most of the progress or all

[hexed sluice]

Never know when you need to throw hands

thats my pve binds though

[lilac stag]

Accidentally delete it.

[warm veldt]

kidney shot be savin keys

[swift crest]

kidney shot is on my c

[hexed sluice]

Whatelse would I put on 2, dont really have anything that could fit there.

[hollow spear]

kidney shot on c is objectivelly and scientifically proven to be bis

[keen dome]

Just.. lose it. Down the back of the sofa.

[swift crest]

open armory rebound to shift c

[swift tinsel]

experts have studied its efficiency for decades

4 out of 5 dentists recommend it

[swift crest]

i have my cheap shot on c too

[hollow spear]

I heard some people have even broken through the pug ceiling with that keybind

[swift tinsel]

no shot

[keen dome]

What keybinding does the hotdog go on?

[swift tinsel]

do not believe it

[hexed sluice]

1 is easy to spam, 3 is easy to spam. 2 is awkward so therefore its for a finisher that is used spareingly or not at all

[swift tinsel]

2 is evisc

[swift crest]

iv got sec tec on 2

[warm veldt]

ive got
SS on 1, cheapshot ctrl1
rupture 3, SnD ctrl3
evisc 4, kidney ctrl4

[hexed sluice]

4 and 5 are harder to reach therefore they are cds

[hollow spear]

sectec on R or uninstall

[swift crest]

evis and envenom should always be on Q

your builders should be on E

[swift tinsel]

nope

[hexed sluice]

E= trinkEt

[warm veldt]

shuriken storm on R, blind on ctrl R

[swift tinsel]

Q is cooldown, E is kick

[swift crest]

e trinket lmfao

[lilac stag]

lol still on keybinds

[swift crest]

how many times u fat finger per minute?

[hexed sluice]

never?

[swift crest]

keep this man away from a lust class

[keen dome]

Q is strafe left, E is strafe right.

[hexed sluice]

I played arcanemage for decades

[swift crest]

blud will put lust on q

[hexed sluice]

Same keybindings

[swift tinsel]

I did this for a long time but switched back to AD

[keen dome]

I was going to change off it for TWW but then I didn't and I've realized I don't really care too, my setup works haha

[swift tinsel]

I barely use W for moving anymore so my fingers felt cramped

[swift crest]

you put the easiest and comfiest to press binds on the abilites you press most

[hexed sluice]

1 = blast. 3 = missiles. 2= barrage. Timewarp was above ShiftR for easy mouse clicking center screen

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

and with AD my middle finger can reach 1-3 easily

[hexed sluice]

Did I not do that?

[swift tinsel]

so if I need to strafe I don't lose any key presses

[hexed sluice]

Shift R is feint, easy and comfy to press

[swift crest]

trinkets are 2 - 1 min cd

[keen dome]

But I have my setup backwards, so my right hand is in my keyboard and my left is mouse. So I have a lot more room for other keys (I.e, easily hitting R, G, H, T, etc)

[hexed sluice]

but E is harder to hit

[swift crest]

scroll down must be on feint

[swift tinsel]

ah nice

[swift crest]

at all times

scroll up is kick

[warm veldt]

scroll down is my focus kick

[swift tinsel]

I tried left handed mousing for a while since I'm left handed too but it was way too hard

[warm veldt]

scroll up is my focus kidney

[swift crest]

alt scroll up/down is cam zoom in/out

[keen dome]

Ye, I'd love one but they're either shitty and half-thoughtout ideas or overly expensive so I just gave up.

[hexed sluice]

Scroll is for zooming in and out. Cause thats how it always be.

[swift crest]

its also mentally intuitive to have kick on mouse wheel up

[hollow spear]

windows button + mouse button 7 is shadowstrike for me

[swift crest]

it feels like yo kicking

[warm veldt]

but your legs are down

[hexed sluice]

F is for Kick and G is for movement

[swift tinsel]

I have a separate number pad I press with my face for my main rotation buttons

[swift crest]

f is always for a movement based ability. shadowstep is f

sprint shift f

[hexed sluice]

literaly in the words "kifck" and "Movemengt"

[warm veldt]

shadowstep is T for ya boi

[swift tinsel]

F is aoe finisher

[naive zodiac]

YO KINGS

when do we replace island ring

what beats it

[swift tinsel]

I think its like 670

alternative

[hexed sluice]

All non built in cleave aoe is z-v\

[swift tinsel]

lemme find the message

[hexed sluice]

z is always builder v is spender

[molten citrus]

Nevar

[hexed sluice]

and xc are freeforall

which means SOD and Dance for rogue

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

[warm veldt]

x is for the xtreme boost mode

[naive zodiac]

TY

[hexed sluice]

Imma hit Lightz with the combo right now

[swift tinsel]

Fuck Walmart

[hexed sluice]

guess my stealth bar

[swift crest]

whatever works for your hands is fine

[warm veldt]

WHERE DID OBJECTIVELY THE BEST GO

[swift crest]

but there is sciene proven bindings

[uneven scarab]

I been sayin

[hexed sluice]

the red is my stealth bar

[swift crest]

bro pls i cant see this

its so bad

[uneven scarab]

sap on 6 is absolutely demonic

[warm veldt]

this is the core of modern art, I can feel it

[teal hemlock]

sap on my 6 as well

[keen dome]

It rules.

[hexed sluice]

Sap used to be Shift 1 next to pickpocket

but

[hollow spear]

Qua really edging the whole sub discord rn

[swift crest]

if u been playing rogue for like 20 years i can understand but damn

[hexed sluice]

I was annoyed by not having a button for extra action buttons

[swift crest]

reckful infamously had crazy binds

[paper iron]

i ve sap/stealth macro for like 30 years

!stealth very powerfull

reckful used to move with Z and X

only

[swift crest]

yea

[uneven scarab]

Thats cracked

[hexed sluice]

And pickpocket is off the stealth bar so its not on a main key but still useable during dance for maximum profit

[uneven scarab]

Aint no way

[paper iron]

jpc does that also

[bleak night]

yeah

[uneven scarab]

Weird

[bleak night]

actually built different

i could never

[keen dome]

Powerful

I know someone who rebound WAS to something like TFGH

[hexed sluice]

🤣

[hollow spear]

can't argue with it tho

[uneven scarab]

Yeah that just sounds extra complicated for no reason

[keen dome]

Way more space either side

[median nacelle]

reckful 3 enjoyers in the chat?

[molten citrus]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

JPC absolute goat

[hexed sluice]

wheres shmeeps

Hes seen how I hold the keyboard

[warm veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/play-music-keyboard-jamming-eddie-murphy-gif-15938011

guys hear me out

top keys are mods

[hexed sluice]

@pseudo hollow see my keybindings are top tier.

[warm veldt]

yeah?

[hollow spear]

result-based analysis tells us that JPC's keybind are objectively bis

[warm veldt]

I did an ANOVA and found this too

[hexed sluice]

I used to have everything shifted over around ijkl when using left handed mouse on a keyboard with no numpad

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[lilac stag]

Pickpocket macro’d to strike or are you even a rogue?

[hexed sluice]

I use it alot on low level mobs so too risky

[lilac stag]

it’s not

also doubt

[tiny flint]

sub is good in raid s2? or ass/out better?

[hollow spear]

ass out is always better

[hexed sluice]

Ah you mean with like a shift binding and trying to cast both

[lilac stag]

No

Literally the same attack

[lilac stag]

I thought it was ass up

[hollow spear]

my bad

[hexed sluice]

Also best change is getting wax from goblins in Undermine this patch

no need to go back to kobolds

[lilac stag]

A change? They drop in the new zone.

[teal hemlock]

is wax bis now

[lilac stag]

it’s just for the poor

[teal hemlock]

ahhhh

[uneven scarab]

yeah its a free alternative

To stones

[hexed sluice]

But its free and free is good for non raiding/m+ purposes

[swift tinsel]

my blacksmith is literally only for supplying whetstones lol

[teal hemlock]

is there no reason to login to wow this week...

[lilac stag]

There is

[teal hemlock]

this is a weird week

[atomic girder]

Does the anti-parry apply to the whole raid or just us?

[lilac stag]

Campaign to get quest for free heroic craft

[swift tinsel]

whole raid

[teal hemlock]

campaign end chap 4

this week

[inland remnant]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[smoky vault]

Think luxthos stopped or something ? Didn't see wa updates yet for 11.1

[chrome palm]

What is there to update?

[smoky vault]

On many classes

[swift tinsel]

Nothing changed for us

[smoky vault]

Yeah but for other no updates still

[whole abyss]

Will cashapp for detailed awesome video guide

[swift tinsel]

I'll record a 15min babysteps guide when I get home from work

or you can watch any of Hachadino or Eleem's videos

[whole abyss]

New smoothbrains like myself going from assa after just finally learning that spec now looking like sub is the play is an uphill battle kek

@hazy breach what is your YT channel so I can see this sub guide plz good human

[molten citrus]

it's just "Eleem"

[swift tinsel]

its hard to find for some reason

[molten citrus]

you might have to search "eleem wow" to get it to show up

[swift tinsel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUltGUGtuVw

[smoky vault]

He's a man in shade even on YouTube

[paper iron]

[lilac wharf]

is this optimization step the only reason why we dont macro cold blood to secret technique? or whats the reason behind we shouldnt macro them together? learning roation atm

[shrewd wren]

correct!

[kindred saffron]

Bis video

[placid tendon]

do any of you know how much of a gain it is?

[tepid trellis]

around 1%

[placid tendon]

ty

[teal hemlock]

Does vanishing into SS in the opener just fail when using target dummies for others as well?

[placid tendon]

not for me

[alpine wraith]

sometimes you do go out of stealth

[uneven scarab]

Cant spam ss right after vanish or itll break the stealth

have to wait like half a second

[teal hemlock]

I just tried again and vanished without pressing anything instant ripped out of stealth lol

[uneven scarab]

[placid tendon]

are you right clicking the dummy or something?

[teal hemlock]

no

[hollow spear]

I usually vanish right after my finisher

[fickle mason]

If you have pot or trinket or an item
Macrod to that move

[teal hemlock]

Nothing macro'd to vanish

it worked fine on pvp dummies in dorn but not on a toy dummy

[sour girder]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[bright sundial]

hey guys question we still use wax or nah?

[bleak night]

i think shaving is enough

[twilit phoenix]

Boi I’m ripping fat globs of wax in my vape

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/karate-kid-wax-on-wax-off-mr-miyagi-gif-20415895

[fickle mason]

I bikini wax before tier start, every tier

[pliant topaz]

I do it during prog

[fickle mason]

#everythingshower

[pliant topaz]

cuz prog isnt hard enough on its own

[worthy pulsar]

quick WA question. what trigger should i use if i want my icon to glow if has x remaining cooldown? i.e. icon glow if it has 30 seconds cd left

[novel lichen]

is holding coup for cds still a thing (as listed on wowhead) and how much of a gain is it?

[next fjord]

Is it normal for Sub DPS to spike and then drop way off?

[hazy breach]

+-0

Overall on average

So i wouldnt bother

[novel lichen]

also with the new tierset?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[novel lichen]

oke ty

[hazy breach]

You end up wasting coup stacks by holding

[quaint nimbus]

Is it fine to keep SoD macrod to Dance even if were SoD pre pull?

[teal hemlock]

def shouldn't have those macroe'd together

[quaint nimbus]

aight thx

[teal hemlock]

You get a free full CP when you activate dance which you can use to evisc to get Sectec off CD then casts symbols for supercharged points

[hazy breach]

Also "prepull" in the wowhead guide is like 20+ seconds before pull

Not right before pull

[small juniper]

what about 75 seconds prepull

[quaint nimbus]

wait what??

[teal hemlock]

Can anyone help me out with PTR? Where can I get weapons/neck piece? Or is it only the tier and trinkets available?

[hazy breach]

You dont need anything

Everything scales to a certain ilvl when you enter content

[teal hemlock]

ahhh kk ty

[proven plover]

U Do it to supercharge 2 cps which dont reset on combat start, Not for the sod buff. U actually wait until u have 3 charges again and then pull

[jagged hamlet]

gotta be aerodynamic, not gonna let wind resistance be the cause of a 0.01% wipe

[sour girder]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[sour girder]

any wa to track flawless form stacks?

[jagged hamlet]

i just chat gpt'd one

[sour girder]

https://wago.io/FKW3-XTnX ??

this 1?

[uneven socket]

Hello, I got a quick question.
Is it not possible to macro
/cancelaura Shadow Dance
Or am I doing something wrong ?

[steel zinc]

In case people ask why crafting is op 😄

[molten citrus]

yes, that works

[uneven socket]

Alright, thanks.
Guess I'm just doing something wrong then ^^

[simple garnet]

Is that the siphoning stiletto?

[lilac stag]

Make sure the macro is on your stealth bar or a bar that is usable during stealth.

[quick swan]

Aint no one crafting the stiletto surely lol

[uneven socket]

Omg, ofc. Thank you. Am an idiot haha

[steel zinc]

nope stabber

[simple garnet]

I might and don’t call me shirley

[lilac stag]

It was buffed. It’s still slightly worse numerically.

[simple garnet]

O ok

[steel zinc]

its vanilla dagger no embelishments

and versa mastery stats

Like nothing even comes close to it HC Dagger from Rick Reverb is like 85k on 6/6 HC

[swift tinsel]

is that a 675 dagger?

[steel zinc]

yes

and its kinda op. You can get that in like couple of hours of the season start

[lilac stag]

You’ll replace it with a vault or mythic dagger. This is shocking why?

[steel zinc]

Like Eye of Kazan on HC is like 35ishk

[lilac stag]

same shit at the start of s1

Weapon DPS is king

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's what I expect from a comparison of a heroic to an almost-max dagger

[steel zinc]

Yes your right just its so insane to actually see the number

[lilac stag]

it’s just a number

[steel zinc]

I like big numbers

Kinda my thing

[lilac stag]

and it’s a false number

You’re comparing to shit

[steel zinc]

Yeah sorry I have shit gear all S1

idk how that could have happend

[whole abyss]

Stupid question sorry but is the order shadow dance > symbols or symbols > dance ?

[upper narwhal]

does not matter at all