subtlety

[tribal blade]

what's the drama i missed

[wild hornet]

🥩

[lilac stag]

People poking with no good intentions.

[worn ivy]

They are just mad coz i got asked friends to play with me as sub

[lilac stag]

tldr Zac is a r1 Minecraft champ and doesn’t appreciate Lashga having friends

[leaden prairie]

Oh common

[haughty mural]

Oh no

[leaden prairie]

Scath please

[keen dome]

Man, there's these four side gig quest sin UNdermine. They give stones, crests, rep and an item each. Right? But.. You can only get the crests and stones once per account per week. Absurd. Why, blizz. It's character currency!!!

[wild hornet]

Cuz itll be irrelevant soon

[keen dome]

Although I suppose the answer is so people don't feel they HAVE to do them per character..

[leaden prairie]

Did you even look though his Rio before saying that scath

Don't be delusional

[lilac stag]

I’ve know him for over 4 expansions. I don’t need to check what he did.

[hazy breach]

DMs

[dusty totem]

The true conclusion is that high rank on bad spec is not worth looking at

[lilac stag]

and on that note. ✌🏼

[leaden prairie]

I too have 4 3k7 Russians friends that happen to sell keys and did all my 17s in one session the last day of the season

[worn ivy]

The only reason i had that i was playing with bad people you can watch vods before

[leaden prairie]

You are delusional scath

[naive zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

You better get friends than talking like this

Its rude

[leaden prairie]

He is probably friend with stealthi aswell

[dusty totem]

It is extremely obvious

[worn ivy]

Ofc

[leaden prairie]

Since his guild helped him in raid

[copper kindle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden prairie]

That's a lot of friends tho

19

[radiant shore]

are races still a complete meme? heard the maghar orc racial was pretty insane for mistweaver for some reason

[swift tinsel]

They’re within like .1 of each other

[keen dome]

I think they have some influence but aren't super impactful, like Haptic says

[lilac stag]

they’re all close. Mag is really good for sub.

[keen dome]

So play the cool race you wanna. Or orc smash

[worn ivy]

Its sad you still believe i didnt desever it

[swift tinsel]

Mag gives you essentially a 2min trinket

[keen dome]

I'm pretending I'm an ethereal

[radiant shore]

im elf enjoyer but was thinking of trying out the juice of the orc

[wild hornet]

Never playing rogue on anything other than human

[lilac stag]

Burst racial with burst spec is good

[swift tinsel]

Gives one of your two best stats for 16 sec

[radiant shore]

like 6-7k right?

[hazy breach]

Regular orc also good

[dusty totem]

more like 0.5

[leaden prairie]

be fr

[radiant shore]

might try a lil bit of maghar to see if im fotm reroller or just transmog enjoyer

[lilac stag]

It’s 2.2% difference from worst to best

[radiant shore]

i mean 2.2% is quite a lot no?

[alpine wraith]

the peak is just end the fight as your cds end

[lilac stag]

Earthen being worst

[alpine wraith]

just be human be superior

eventually

[swift tinsel]

Tbf female orc model is one of the best for showing off transmog

[wild hornet]

Exactly

Nobody believes me

[lilac stag]

It’s not

[wild hornet]

With the amount of stuns in this dumbfuck game

[alpine wraith]

secret tech

biggest mastery in town

then just crit every time

[wild hornet]

True

[jaunty heath]

I love Zac being a Minecraft champion tho

That part is good

[leaden prairie]

funniest thing is thats true

i was playing minecraft back in the days

banger game no ?

how is that an insult

[raw wadi]

@vale pine is there are reason the trinket sims show two times Transmitter+Eye of Kezan?

[wild hornet]

My boss made fun of me for telling him i played it w my friends last might

[leaden prairie]

no way

make fun of him back

[wild hornet]

I still need that job

[leaden prairie]

he clicked the trinket 2 times

mistake

[jaunty heath]

Tell him to watch his back

[wild hornet]

Now im tired

Cuz i stayed up till 3an

Am

They were legit still on when i woke up for work

[wild hornet]

Cheap shot inc

[worn ivy]

I sit everday in que to try play with lfg people didnt even ask old team mates that i helped a lot back in days . Than 1 day i ask to play with Yonte and i play good time keys is beign a problem for some people. Even tho i ve more r1 keys than they ever combined is sadge also the things i did for outlaw community back on days with guy all forgotten. You can call me whatever u want but deeply i believe i dont desever this attitude. Thanks for having me i rather leave the discord than a having convo people like you expect some guys i will really miss them. Sorry for my garbonzo english.

[jaunty heath]

The other day I considered taking time off work for this season

Then I realized

I should probably not think that way

At my age

[wild hornet]

High or low end

[leaden prairie]

dont post bragging about your rio if you got boosted, simple as that, if you cant handle it

[jaunty heath]

25, still got 5 years in me

[swift tinsel]

I turned 25 ten years ago

[keen dome]

High5 old men playing WoW

[swift tinsel]

BC Babyyyyyy

[sacred yarrow]

cant, i'd prolly hurt my elbow

[swift tinsel]

Turn 35 next Friday and my knees and back will be turning 80

[keen dome]

Haaah

[wild hornet]

5 years of peak

[wild hornet]

Relatable

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile us at 30

took off from the 12 to the 20

no remorese

[wild hornet]

Funny loredrop

I didnt hit 20 yet

[alpine wraith]

i was slaying ragnaros at 9

[swift tinsel]

32 was the best

[alpine wraith]

you casual

[sacred yarrow]

20 years experience starting early

[wild hornet]

My first reiteration of wow was then i was like

[alpine wraith]

actually i didnt began raiding until late 2005

[wild hornet]

4 or 5

[alpine wraith]

like nov or dec

[swift tinsel]

First raided Kara on my macbook with no mouse, running at 9 fps

Had this super goofy setup where both hands on home row and used one thumb to press the trackpad button and move with the other

[wild hornet]

Its sometimes funny when youre around people your parents age

Or close at lwast

Least

[alpine wraith]

i mean when i think back in classic people were already 40+ when i raided with them now they are 60+ damn

funnily enough my long lasting friends were almost all from wrath and beyond

classic and tbc are like blurs

[wild hornet]

Sindragosa gives me ptsd

[alpine wraith]

it was a cool boss tho

the last phase going ALL IN

[wild hornet]

I died a lot on it

[alpine wraith]

well you could only die 25 times so

not really

[wild hornet]

I didnt really know whats going on

I was playing w my brother at the time

I still remember when he was teaching me to interrupt and then he stutter steps the cast

[leaden prairie]

why not

I took a day off for next week

[wild hornet]

[leaden prairie]

ehhe

[wild hornet]

Wednesday if i had to guess?

[leaden prairie]

e

so i can farm m+ all day

[snow vapor]

bro this helped me a lot, ty

[wild hornet]

Based

Im actually considering it too

[clever delta]

Did that weird flex boosted guy from yesterday leave discord 😄

Zac homie

[alpine wraith]

tbh i think taking second week off might be better for me

instead of first+

[wild hornet]

I mean either works

Just a little slower heroic gear farm

[leaden prairie]

waht

[wild hornet]

I have no clue how im gonna do 8 keys a week in these circumstances

[clever delta]

The guy you bullied yesterday seems left

[leaden prairie]

unlucky

I didnt bully him tho

just said things how it was

[clever delta]

Yeah you are bulli

[leaden prairie]

he bullied me aswell

he called me a minecraft player

on god

[lapis hatch]

Zac plz bro here’s outlaw clip of me 8 years ago im so good trust

[leaden prairie]

[wild hornet]

Tnt tag or bedwars

[leaden prairie]

i just build houses

[wild hornet]

We bullied our friend into building one

She didnt do much progress

[vale pine]

diffrent item slot possible

[wild hornet]

I think its time for more whipping today

[haughty mural]

cream?

[clever delta]

So we farm floodgate for trinket and that's it

[sand ore]

I tried really hard to get Tettles to put us in S for m+ yesterday

But to no avail

[clever delta]

Why would you want that

[solemn creek]

I hope they dont do tuning based on this week

[clever delta]

Gotta sandbag

[sand ore]

So I get invited to shit

I said ‘brb, have to watch 2minutes of ads’ in his chat and then someone gifted me a sub

[wild hornet]

Preferably with a belt

[sand ore]

Why would they unless there are extreme outliers

[solemn creek]

Its been seen before

Rogue doing good week 1-2

Nerfed

But never touched again

[sand ore]

How about you rogue deez

[clever delta]

I would be more worried about bugs than tunning

Hopefully we see some fixed

[wild hornet]

Would be so sad if another tierset is bugged

[tribal blade]

our tier set does currently still have some bugs

[keen dome]

A week before it really matters, at least

[jade canopy]

atleast some nerubian bugs?

[keen dome]

Before / until

[chilly falcon]

Hey some questions for a kind player that want to help me its better to use eviscerate until how many targets?

[hoary coyote]

yo have a quick question

[lilac stag]

7+

[solemn creek]

7

[hoary coyote]

i laready have 27 coffer keys

[solemn creek]

They wont work

[swift tinsel]

Use them this week

[solemn creek]

They are for s1 only

[hoary coyote]

ty (;

[hoary coyote]

then can we farm them now?

[swift tinsel]

No

[brisk onyx]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[hoary coyote]

ohh

[solemn creek]

On the same page (unless u want rep) dont bother with the shard this week

[hoary coyote]

s2 keys are not farmable now?

[solemn creek]

They are clearly labeled as s1

[swift tinsel]

Keys and undercoins reset next week

So you can’t farm for s2

Bountiful coffers this week award un-upgradable champ track gear

But still count towards the achievement

[alpine wraith]

you can do the weekly chests and n ot open them

but idk if they also saw that one coming

will tell you next wednesday

[swift tinsel]

Pinnacle chests?

[alpine wraith]

yea the ones that give the keys usually

[swift tinsel]

I thought those have been coded to the season you get them in

[alpine wraith]

like awakening the machine etc

who knows

[swift tinsel]

You can def get weathered and carved crests already

[chilly falcon]

Flagelation is now used on cd?

[alpine wraith]

have to prep cps and know you have enough dances ready

[alpine wraith]

if you messed up somewhere or cdr was not available fully you need to delay it a bit

[keen dome]

105? geez

Delves?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah if you do the Vaskarn upgrade “quest” thing you get bonus ones that don’t count towards the cap

[keen dome]

Aaah, of course

[swift tinsel]

So if you have 90 when you complete it you end up with 105

[keen dome]

Hah

I forgot about that

[swift tinsel]

And it’s super easy to cap weathered by flying through those floating orbs

None of it reallllly matters but you can upgrade or convert them into carved a bit earlier

[keen dome]

I have never once had those orbs give me crests

[haughty mural]

not much to do anyway

[keen dome]

I swear I'm just bugged

[swift tinsel]

If you’re capped on crests they only give resonant crystals

[keen dome]

They never gave me those either!!!

[swift tinsel]

Or if you’re at the weekly max

Wtf

[keen dome]

I've never had them give me anything lmao

[swift tinsel]

Reroll new GUID

[graceful crown]

damn we're using shiv again?

to what end

[solemn creek]

Is nimble from me or from the target

[swift tinsel]

ah dang forget to check that last night

[chilly falcon]

next skill after ST has to always be SS?

[fathom adder]

an veetran 626 dagger with 2/8 will get 3 ilvl each upgrade right?

[solemn creek]

Working on a weak aura for target count. 7+ is starting to be in the realm of too much 😅

For quick math

[small juniper]

yes u can get 645 dagger this week

if u are lucky

[fathom adder]

ty

[graceful crown]

would swapping shiv for vigor be considering trolling?

actually i might have too much energy

ig

[swift tinsel]

vigor doesn't really do much for us

[swift crest]

why was i timed out

[chilly falcon]

And why now we use ST as first finisher and not after having 5-6 stacks?

[swift tinsel]

sectech enables a lot of the spec esp as trickster

so you want to send it first to get it on cooldown, and because the next 2 strikes hit with unseen blade

[haughty mural]

dont if you dont want

[swift tinsel]

which gets us closer to coup

[graceful crown]

not completely averse to it, just a bit awkward cuz i never know what to do with it if there's no enrage

[chilly falcon]

tyy

[haughty mural]

but then dont spec into shiv

[swift crest]

whoes theh eli5 video maker for our spec

this is to much

the word theme on this hero spec is kewl

[chilly falcon]

Next skill after ST has to be SS? if i get full combo points after ST due to shadowcraft is it better to use another Eviscerate?

[swift tinsel]

yes, don't want to waste cp

because that's lost cdr

and damage

[haughty mural]

never want to waste cps

[void hound]

RS is now the way to go in ST right

[swift crest]

whoes the sub guy vid guy

prefer non euro

[leaden prairie]

wdym prefer non euro

[swift crest]

particualary german

and swede

[leaden prairie]

[void hound]

maybe better to list the preferred nationality

[swift crest]

west of berlin

but also not a quazzi accent

ga dam

[alpine wraith]

i do videos for sub but not many things change with s2

[swift crest]

i need the basics

im pulling big rtard numbers and ii dono how or why

[alpine wraith]

well you can check everything or nothing

there are many

from 5 mins to 30+

[swift crest]

i might record my play

with streamer detaisl and shit

[swift tinsel]

or post a log

[wild hornet]

Ill supply terrible logs next week

[swift tinsel]

in the log review thread

[wild hornet]

Trust

[swift crest]

trainging dummy log?

[swift tinsel]

yeah

or boss fight

[swift crest]

hmm ok

theres no groups really

this for pure st right

[sand ore]

You need sepsis

[haughty mural]

hacha summoned

[sand ore]

[swift crest]

nooo

theres a server shhutdown

[keen dome]

Sepsis.. For that very brief point between pre-patch and launch: I did not hate thee.

[swift crest]

fuck off

if its not to add m0 they can suck my cock i aint leaving the server

[sand ore]

Language

Brother go do some quests or something

[keen dome]

What's.. a non.. disposable hotdog??

[swift crest]

no power gains to quests anymore

[sand ore]

Burger

[sand ore]

[keen dome]

Okay this patch owns

10/10, no notes I can hold a hotdog

[haughty mural]

that set really looks clean on a human

damn

[keen dome]

Yeah it owns

But hotdog

[sand ore]

Where do I get burger

[vestal escarp]

Borgir

[wild hornet]

Hasbollah

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1149667756560613387/1344320525454938235/image.png?ex=67c07b8d&is=67bf2a0d&hm=eaf46de22784a21ad4f7b814b96a9634b769f3c058fa1e82aa1cb2d7d7a99d63&

Burger / Dog vendor location

[solemn creek]

noob question. but does 7+ mean use at 7 or 8 or 7+ mean its equal at 7

regarding evi/bp

[molten citrus]

7 or more

[sacred yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-gif-26479397

must have

[proven plover]

BURGIR

[swift tinsel]

lol I'm looking at heroic kill rankings from yesterday and I have no business being where I am on the lists

[wild hornet]

Wym

[swift tinsel]

i'm like 8-10 ilevels below everyone else

[wild hornet]

And where are you on the lists

[swift tinsel]

wr 62 for sikran, 35 for kyveza, 76 for silken court

at 628

just for 11.1 logs lol so its kinda funny to see where things end up

[keen dome]

I have critical information

You can drive with the hotdog

[proven plover]

omg

[vale pine]

nice

[proven plover]

best content patch ever

[wild hornet]

Fure

Fire

Id be surprised if i was top 1000 s2

On sub

[swift tinsel]

some of the other kills were kinda scuffed bc we had people cheesing stuff

but I'm pretty proud of where I ended up for some of them

[proven plover]

I havent been to the hc raid in months xdd

[wild hornet]

Im gladly leaving s1 with a top 159 or something

My mythic logs went shit.. cause i went on prot

[swift tinsel]

we only raid heroic and do the first few mythic bosses once on an extended lockout

so no repeat mythic farming

[proven plover]

but I have this funny hc ranking here, because the 100 parse was removed due to cheating

[wild hornet]

Unt unt

Imagine doing the coup bug with the spider critters

[sand ore]

I wish instead of holding hotdog or burger I could hold the hand of the woman I love

[fallen crescent]

Rip exploits

[fickle mason]

are you guys mad about treacherous transmitter staying or do you welcome it in that you don't have to hunt a different trinket?

[proven plover]

I am mad and await nerfs

because I dont have it and even if I would get it now, I couldnt upgrade it to max ilvl

[small spade]

!sim

[leaden prairie]

im mad because i dont have it

[small spade]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[sinful zephyr]

I like it because I wont have to grind the house of cards trinket (I usually do only m+ and pug raids are really difficult sometimes)

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven plover]

the music in undermine do be poppin though, god damn

[fickle mason]

if we do 8 delves this week, do we maybe have a heroic track ritual knife / energy drink in our rewards?

[fickle mason]

Do we think it gets nerfed and is on the radar?

[keen dome]

It'll be the S1 vault on reset still. No vault until the following reset, i believe.

That's how it worked in DF and prior expansions with the vault, anyway

[proven plover]

there was a nerf for it already, but its still very strong

personally I hope they'd do it again but no idea if they are going to

[swift tinsel]

knife yes, drink no

but it'll be locked to s1 hero unupgradeable

[fickle mason]

in other words no value in spamming delves this week, thx ❤️

[swift tinsel]

Nope, outside of completing the 250 bountiful chest achiev

I think you can still level Brann if he isn't 60 yet

but he's capped at 60 still this week

Buuuut you can get those companion xp items in your bags which might be a bug

[fickle mason]

from 37 i doubt ill make any big dent

[slate lantern]

Not with that attitude

[sand ore]

My bran is like lvl 20

You won’t catch me in a delve

[fickle mason]

did some trickster keys yesterday, feels goodge

how do you guys activate your transmitter? I found macroing it to flagelation feels ok

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[hazy breach]

Flag is the best option to macro it with yes

If you dont want to use it natty

[leaden prairie]

i press the trinket then vomit

[keen dome]

same, esp when the orb decides to just..

leave

[wild vine]

Atleast chasing the ball rq, jumping three times or moving to the spot clears some of the liquid

[leaden prairie]

[autumn flame]

real

[swift tinsel]

If the orb wasn't the size of a tennis ball I wouldn't mind as much

[autumn flame]

absurd trinket design

[swift tinsel]

or beelines right into spell effect shitstorm

couldn't imagine trying to find it when playing with an arcane mage

[slate lantern]

My trinket luck was dismal in s1 so I'm putting it all into manifesting an early heroic HoC

Playing outlaw with Myth Harvester's Edict

[swift tinsel]

my rogue's trinket luck is usually pretty awesome besides Branch

[twilit phoenix]

So real for that

[dry plank]

good for you but this season we will have anti-anti-luck coins

[slate lantern]

see you in 4 months lmao

[dry plank]

see yo bro, I got my transmitter today and cant upgrade, so entire season without drinket

[young path]

Anyone have crafting item order recommendations for season 2? We doing MH (I’m assuming but I’m also wrong 99.9% of the time)

[hazy breach]

If you dont have a myth track MH then use your gilded for a mainhand ye

[young path]

Ty

[sand ore]

Blue silken lining I think

[acoustic lodge]

I'm feeling giga sub buffs after this restart

[sand ore]

Huge mastery

[hazy breach]

After that its probably boots (or your worst slot) but very very possible its worth more to upgrade other items over crafting a second item

[sand ore]

[hazy breach]

So gotta double check on raidbots

[twilit phoenix]

Myth track mainhand or heroic house of cards week one vault

Calling it

[hazy breach]

Other items that might be worth upgrading with crests over crafting boots/bracers/cloak could be:
Mainhand weapon (if not crafted), chest, legs, helmet or trinkets

Even if that means you dont have 2 embellishments

Embellishment suck ass, but double check on raidbots

[chrome palm]

Seems a little risky to craft in a tier slot, no? But would neck or cloak be a pretty safe option?

[hazy breach]

?

[swift tinsel]

I think he's saying its worth to upgrade those slots with crests vs using crests to craft

[native epoch]

Hello. Can I have a question?
When I play M+, I often see my character rushing towards monsters instantly, as if I was using ST while in stealth. I wonder if this is a bug or if there is a passive skill involved.

[chrome palm]

Oh I misread 💀

[hazy breach]

Shadowstrike teleports you behind your target while in stealth (not in shadow dance)

[swift tinsel]

I'd imagine chest would be the big one

[sullen hare]

You haven't somehow macroed shadowstep to another ability have you?

[hazy breach]

Chest, legs and helmets all have the same amount of stats

[granite river]

Or could be coup de grace right?

[swift tinsel]

yeah, chest is heavy mastery/vers

[sullen hare]

Oh could be that too. They took that out in 11.1 though didn't they?

[swift tinsel]

so I'd think upgrading that over legs/helm would be the better gain

but that's a robot question

[granite river]

Yeah so took it out today

And unsure what region this gentleman is

[sullen hare]

I'm gonna guess CN based on name

[hazy breach]

Eastern regions havent had the patch yet iirc

[hazy breach]

Their reset is on thursdays

[alpine wraith]

correct china gets patch tomorrow

[prime stratus]

!ST

[sullen hare]

So it definitely is coup de grace if I was a betting man

[proven plover]

oh nvm you already mentioned SS in your message lol mb

[dry plank]

only today I got coup bug 3 times in new zone, and alt+f4 did not helped, i was log to another rogue and than log to main and it dissapear, but I have a bad feeling about it

[hazy breach]

It only happens when youre lagging

[sullen hare]

Use coup de grace on a target from a distance. Is that what you're talking about?

[hazy breach]

The reason you see it more now is because the new zone is lagging the fuck out

[native epoch]

oh thank you so much guys!

[swift tinsel]

yeah I had to give up in undermine

[bleak night]

yup i just play sin there for now lmao

[swift tinsel]

literally couldn't accept or turn in quests

or loot anything

[alpine wraith]

not much to do anyway

[swift tinsel]

8 second input delay

[alpine wraith]

so dont worry

most wq expire on friday even

[bleak night]

i needed every crumb of explorer gear i could get

but now im avoiding that zone like the plague until next week

[trim lily]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[clever delta]

Are EU servers fucked too?

[dry plank]

yes

[clever delta]

Shees

[sullen hare]

Undermine in us was basically unplayable for sub all day yesterday after servers came online

[native epoch]

oh I mean, even though I didn't use ST while in stealth, if I use coup de grace, will it teleport to the target?

[swift tinsel]

yeah you'd strike and 6 seconds later you'd get your cp

[sullen hare]

Until 11.1 patch yes

[prime stratus]

Im new to sub and im trying to follow the Wowhead guide, when im only using ST during shadow dance and at the same time try to have 2x dance and symbals fpr cds i find myslef sitting on ST a lot is that something that is normal or am i doing something wrong?

[hazy breach]

That is fine

Sometimes you can weave in a symbols with a sectech outside of dance, but thats not something i would recommend if youre just starting out

[sour forum]

so what cringe stuff are we stuck doing this tier?

[hazy breach]

As its a small gain and a huge risk if you dont have either symbols or sectech ready for when you actually need it

[swift tinsel]

nuffin

pretty much normal gameplay

[prime stratus]

thanks for the help! will do that

[sour forum]

nah, sub always has some cringe stuff

its just how it works

[hazy breach]

Literally nothing changed gameplay wise since 11.0.5

[native epoch]

thank u!

[hazy breach]

or well, i guess the number of targets you BP on with trickster moved

But thats the only thing

[sour forum]

arent we very afraid of losing stacks ? XD

[swift tinsel]

which is a good thing

[sour forum]

before cds

[alpine wraith]

tier set got destroyed

you can hold if important things are happening

but in a long super st fight it is kinda neutral

[hazy breach]

Not really no

[sour forum]

ah, thats good to hear

[hazy breach]

When the tierset was 3x as strong during ptr yes

[sour forum]

so no cringe stuff? that cant be happening

[hazy breach]

But not now

No new cringe stuff no

[alpine wraith]

well we are still crackheads of min maxing

so likely we will figure out when to hold on fights

[sour forum]

c'mon at least a tiny dust spreadsheet Kappa

[swift tinsel]

you can rupture game if you wanna self-impose it

[sullen hare]

No new cringe stuff yet. [Bart Simpson worst day of his life meme]

[swift tinsel]

but its not a gain or loss

[sour forum]

i mean we still use transmitter, ill count that as cringe

[swift tinsel]

makes sense to do in certain scenarios but not always

[sullen hare]

If they don't nerf it again you'll be using it for a while

[sour forum]

yeeeeeeeeee

trinket from 6th boss

[swift tinsel]

inb4 10-15% transmitter nerf after RWF

[sullen hare]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just completely destroy it

25%

[sour forum]

wouldnt mind that tbh

some random orb hiding behind queens ass wasnt the most pleasant experience

[swift tinsel]

I think a 15-20% total nerf including the 5% it already got would be fair

after a reasonable amount of time

[sullen hare]

No doubt I'll miss orb and its wandering antics

[paper stirrup]

With us losing s1 tier set, should we use st as second finnisher instead of first during dance?

[swift tinsel]

first if trickster

[slate lantern]

how much does sub get nerfed by how much % transmitter gets nerfed

[swift tinsel]

esp during flag window

[hazy breach]

No, because trickster still wants to use it early to make sure the unseen blades/coups after hit inside dance and deathstalker needs to use it as first otherwise the second wont come up in time

It wasnt really because of the tierset it was moved

[high pier]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[slate lantern]

quiet on the yapping today

[sand ore]

I can start

[swift tinsel]

trying to fix another institution's MS Access DB issue

[sand ore]

What

[swift tinsel]

work

[sand ore]

Ah

I just write grants

Write grant, come home, trickster

Repeat

[lilac stag]

Nah you just missed the fun earlier. Be grateful.

[swift tinsel]

sort artifacts, complain about SharePoint, yap in disc

[sand ore]

Don’t even get me started on share point

[swift tinsel]

we got forced to switch to it last year and I greatly dislike it

[slate lantern]

that was fun to read on my commute 😄

[swift tinsel]

seeing the buglist sheet shrunk down is pretty satisfying ngl

[gritty gorge]

Can we get the first spark this week?

[vale pine]

haha^^

did not realize there is a timer

[sullen hare]

Yep

[swift tinsel]

lmao how long has that been there

[sullen hare]

No

[swift tinsel]

literally never seen it before

[sullen hare]

Since yesterday. I saw it while spending my under coins

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah Fuu not sure if you saw earlier but our parry raid buff is still a thing

[vale pine]

nice, thanks for testing

[strange chasm]

!fuu

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[swift tinsel]

happy to help 🫡

now that ptr is over I'm running out of things to look into lol

[hollow condor]

!plater

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/swing-and-miss-ron-swanson-a-swing-and-a-miss-gif-12175852

[keen dome]

We've got two timers this patch. I am excited to see if they end at different times haha

[wild hornet]

Theres also a timer on one of the female goblins but i forgot the name of it

[leaden prairie]

how much was s1 tier set of sub

compared to s2

i dont even know

[untold reef]

Hello, why was Shadowy Duel removed?

[swift tinsel]

would it work to sim 636 current gear vs 636 s2 set in mimiron?

[leaden prairie]

wtf is shadowy duel

[swift tinsel]

just modify the ilvl of both

[wild hornet]

Pvp talent

[leaden prairie]

ye i mean i can sim it

but

[wild hornet]

Id assume it was too strong of a lockdown especially after a target swap

[tepid trellis]

it was like an 8% tier

[untold reef]

That is very sad, I liked that ability very much. Thanks for replying though!

[wild hornet]

Yeah same, but in some fights it couldve been too strong

Even if its only a few sec

Enough to end the kill window

[alpine wraith]

0 to 4 was 8 to 9% this s2 one 0 to 4 is around 13%

but we already kinda have 4p so if you ignore ilvl it is a decent win but not as good as it was before the super nerf

they basically nerfed it by like 66%

[austere zodiac]

!sheet

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[sand ore]

!feet

[alpine wraith]

!sit

[shrewd monolith]

!fuu

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[fallow nimbus]

coup has the animation now or am i trippin?

[swift tinsel]

yep it works

and there's a cool sound

well 3 cool sounds

[tight monolith]

fang trinket open world is 645 0.5% over voidreaper, got race to world last tonight, should I send it or sounds like sim bait

[sullen hare]

Might as well

[tight monolith]

yy

[fallow nimbus]

a sound too

[steel zinc]

Bruh. Like that won't kill the boss nut sure

[tight monolith]

hahaha yeah yeah ofc

[sullen hare]

You're gonna replace the contact anyway might as well rip the bandaid off now

[steel zinc]

But gl!

[sullen hare]

Contract is nice for open world stuff if it manages to proc a bunch though

[shell willow]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[tight monolith]

carved crest more or less free and alrdy soon capped on valorstones so might as well

[tight monolith]

ty ❤️

[fallow nimbus]

damn coup is clean now and feels much better

[paper helm]

!fuu

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[leaden prairie]

Ok

So it's not really tier making sub that much better

Than s1 I mean

It does contribute I guess but all the rest is enough

What if I push as sub this week

[alpine wraith]

tier was good and still kinda is

[leaden prairie]

Can still do keys right

[alpine wraith]

they just also upped the baseline quite a lot

so we will at least do decent week 1 and 2

[sly shore]

nothing has changed so assa still miles ahead in aoe

[alpine wraith]

vs others

[sly shore]

until you get s2 tier

[alpine wraith]

also because of tier

[leaden prairie]

Why

[alpine wraith]

and transmitter being good

[leaden prairie]

Unless S1 tier set is st only

[sly shore]

what makes sub stronger you haven't acquired yet

which is why

oh wait

10% buff

[paper helm]

anyone got that sim input for consumables lying around

[leaden prairie]

Ye and the bug fixes and shit

[alpine wraith]

yea our baseline got buffed a lot

so we are quite higher

[leaden prairie]

And trickster buffs

[sly shore]

sub was way more than 10% behind though, right

[leaden prairie]

Idk

[leaden prairie]

Ok but on ptr it felt way better than assa

[alpine wraith]

depends on pulls

[sly shore]

But i don't know number

run the sim for me and get back to me

[alpine wraith]

you cant really check sub and assa 1 to 1

[leaden prairie]

And if the delta with tier is only from 8 to 13

It's not that much

Idk about sin tier s1 vs S2

[alpine wraith]

because assa makes bosses longer

and sub shorter

[leaden prairie]

I think both were trash

[alpine wraith]

and other things

[paper iron]

zac it s time to change our color to blue

[alpine wraith]

all in all basically let people try both and see tbh

[leaden prairie]

I think it's time to get sub io

[acoustic lodge]

sub is def meta

[alpine wraith]

just dont forget your pocket shaman

[leaden prairie]

Wait but I have to use transmitter tho

That's gg

[alpine wraith]

dont worry first week you get house of cards in vault trust

[leaden prairie]

Fuck

Why do I not have 639 transmitter

I hate this game

[tropic nimbus]

They are gonna nerf it again

[paper iron]

i dont have one at all

[tropic nimbus]

Trust

[leaden prairie]

Noob

Can't play sug

Gg

Where are my tokens

Blizzard

How can you go a fullk tier and not be full bis

Well I guess I'm full bis assa and outlaw

I just missed one sub item

!fuu

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[sudden bison]

How are you ever gonna recover from this

[leaden prairie]

Wait

S1 sims are gone

What were the good secondary trinkets for sub in m+

Is that dawn breaker trinket good

Must be ok right

[alpine wraith]

crystal knife or egg

and for some dungeons the ansurek one to snipe fools

and dmg amps

[leaden prairie]

Surely dawnbreaker stat stick is fine

[keen dome]

Yeah, the danwbreaker crystal is good

[leaden prairie]

Good

[paper iron]

ur good zac

[sullen hare]

Zac appreciation in my sub channel 🤢

[paper iron]

here we all in for zac

u have dave, we have zac

[leaden prairie]

Censi

I forgot

They deleted aug

No way you can do keys now

[copper linden]

Quick question… last night I was having some weird interactions after vanishing. Quite often it’s like I wasn’t actually going invis, as I was unable to Shadowstrike. Anyone have any ideas why it was happening? I guess it could have just been the server lag but still wanted to ask incase it could be something else I’m not thinking of

[leaden prairie]

Wait for your GCD to be ready

Then vanish strike insta

Alswyas works if you do that

Otherwise idk it fails half the times

[tidal marsh]

Just like with keeping season 1 gear upgradable after moving into a season 2 currency ecosystem

Blizzard simply does not have the technology to make it not fail half the time

[copper linden]

Are you saying I’m vanishing too fast basically?

[leaden prairie]

Yes

Vanish when your GCD is ready

So you can strike insta

[slate lantern]

good tip

[leaden prairie]

Yes

Don't choke on it

[vestal escarp]

delves are up huh

must be s1 gear still tho

[leaden prairie]

What Ilvl gear

Tell me now

[vestal escarp]

idk im asking

i have a bunch of coffer keys

[bleak night]

its s1 gear

[vestal escarp]

must be yeah

[acoustic lodge]

s1 gear

[gleaming imp]

Choking is good though

…so I’ve heard

[acoustic lodge]

Our boi exile is streaming

[swift tinsel]

603 champ track from bountiful chest

at delve 8

[tulip gorge]

so nothing

[swift tinsel]

yep

from one yesterday

not worth unless your rogue is a literal rat

[bleak night]

not worth even then, gear from questing in undermine goes to 619 with just valorstones

[swift tinsel]

ye

[pliant topaz]

❤️ ❤️ :3

thank you chief! im retireed but not gone i guess :p

[jaunty heath]

Im holding the Armin count for you

Keeping your seat warm for comeback

[proven plover]

how does lil bro do that? am I missing something

[wild hornet]

yo wtf

where did my action bars go

[sullen hare]

Patch your addons

[jaunty heath]

Lil bro got a reset

[wild hornet]

just did

[sullen hare]

Both bartender and dominos should be good by now

[gleaming imp]

Did you remember to reload after?

[sullen hare]

Sometimes reloading doesn't do the trick and you have to completely reopen the game

[wild hornet]

yes im reloading the game rn

[obtuse cobalt]

!fuu

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[paper stirrup]

is trickster just better in both st and cleave right now? or only when we have the new set?

[wild hornet]

nvm turns out my entire folder corrupted

replaced it and its fine now

[gleaming imp]

Ooof

[swift tinsel]

now

[slate marlin]

Trickster is so good gampelay wise

[tulip gorge]

sub was pretty good last patch and now it's buffed by 10% + trickster buffs

should be quite insane

[frozen lichen]

!sheet

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[swift tinsel]

sub best spec in the game no cap

[paper stirrup]

wasn't the trickster specific buffs just for aoe?

[shrewd grail]

I doubled my aoe burst

[lucid jackal]

nop

[swift tinsel]

nah it got st buffs too

[shrewd grail]

Legit from 4m to 6m5 as 625

[swift tinsel]

Unseen blade dmg + slight proc increase from 1k cuts

[shrewd grail]

5target

What a good day

[lucid jackal]

These are all ST buffs

[paper stirrup]

nice, trickster is more fun

[shrewd grail]

I can feel " last minute tuning sub rogue doomed"

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah forgot builder crit buff

this week is goofy damage wise

[austere zodiac]

whats sub aoe damage spread supposed to look like

[patent lichen]

Nimble

[vale pine]

they nerfed the tier set

and buffed baseline

!sheet

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[vale pine]

if you look at the baseline, sub even after the buffs is not insanely high

[leaden prairie]

Well no they cleave

[austere zodiac]

approaching assa baseline

joever

[swift tinsel]

someone was asking if the buffs were aoe only

[leaden prairie]

Ok

I don't read it's useless in 2025

[swift tinsel]

based af

[slate marlin]

have they changed m+ health scaling or something?

[tulip gorge]

wait does the new m+ scaling apply to season 1 dungeons?

[slate marlin]

idk but everything feels a lot squishier

[keen dome]

Yeah I was wondering

I should knock my final two portals out

[hazy breach]

Most classes are heavily buffed

But maybe they changed scaling too

Idk

[leaden prairie]

hm

or you are playing without an aug

[swift tinsel]

they did for s2 but idk if it affects s1 dungeons

[leaden prairie]

and arent used to it

[molten citrus]

yes

[leaden prairie]

well what does the affix says now

[swift tinsel]

they squished hp and dmg affix

#subtlety message

[slate marlin]

i thought that would go live when s2 went out, same with the timer affix

[swift tinsel]

[molten citrus]

i've heard 2 ppl talk about mobs having lower health now

[swift tinsel]

its blizz so who knows

[molten citrus]

but idk

[swift tinsel]

they work in mysterious ways

[delicate steeple]

Based on other sims were on the lower half no?

[leaden prairie]

well you should be able to see it

in the tooltip

when you put the key in

i think

[hazy breach]

What

Compared to before the patch

Most classes are stronger

Is what i said

[swift tinsel]

we're the strongest no cap

[delicate steeple]

Ya I was asking

[molten citrus]

https://www.twitch.tv/maximum/clip/EnticingEmpathicNikudonOneHand-IeP0XIE8vIb5Toeq?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[leaden prairie]

has someone done delves

[molten citrus]

someone

has

yes

[leaden prairie]

and

[keen dome]

I have

[leaden prairie]

what does it give

[slate marlin]

petko did earlier, he got this season gear

[molten citrus]

and?

s1 gear

[keen dome]

It gives S1 stuff

[slate marlin]

so not worth

[patent lichen]

603

[slate marlin]

at all

[keen dome]

However I can report that tank Brann is pretty cool

[molten citrus]

(i am not someone btw)

[leaden prairie]

ah 603

[keen dome]

oh, it can also give Undermine rep. I got 1250 from a bountiful at T8

[leaden prairie]

so useless

ok

[slate lantern]

603 shadow knife poggers

[delicate steeple]

Idk you can use reason and think if fury is summing 2.9 and they cleave all their dmg and they have good burst they’re going to be good on most fights

[upper narwhal]

Bountiful delves give S1 gear and the new delves give 500 and something ilvl

[keen dome]

I need 800 moe rep for Renown 7..

[upper narwhal]

Other than questing there's not much to do this week

[molten citrus]

the problem is that sims do not equal effective damage in game

[fickle mason]

What is this

[slate lantern]

max shitting on tier list whores

[molten citrus]

what

[vestal escarp]

sin still king of overall dmg

[fickle mason]

Where are sub on dratnos tier list thats all that matters

[slate lantern]

still king of

[delicate steeple]

In what sense though like that you can’t realize most of the dps of a sim

[molten citrus]

some sims are a lot higher than actual in game raid damage, some are lower

they aren't made for comparing specs

[slate lantern]

what mechanics do a sim account for

[molten citrus]

they are made for comparing talents and gear within 1 spec

[fickle mason]

Is there a tier set dps increase spreadsheet or actual dps sim spreadsheet put there?

[delicate steeple]

Right but again you can use reason there right like if you have a sim of a spec spamming frost bolt the whole fight you can assume it won’t be as good

[molten citrus]

its just a terrible metric for basing the difference in different specs

[slate lantern]

fuus sheet has em

[delicate steeple]

I just think a lot of the time if you use it as a gauge it ends up being close to what you’d expect

[molten citrus]

its arbitrary information that way too many people misuse

use the tool for what it is created to do

[swift tinsel]

top gear/droptimizer gang rise up

[pure dust]

anyone here go between sin and sub?

[swift tinsel]

and step on stat weight sim while you do

[slate lantern]

i only use pawn to determine what gear i use

[swift tinsel]

but like NoTrickz said, sims are much more effective used as a within-spec comparison for gearing vs between-spec comparison

[fickle mason]

!sheet

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[keen dome]

Oh, the weekly dungeon has Undermine rep too. Score.

[wild hornet]

is there a new level cap

it shows me im max lvl but i saw someone at lvl 81

[lethal breach]

!fuu

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[rocky wolf]

no you saw wrong

[vale pine]

sub was 1.8 or so before the buff ^^

[lucid jackal]

Sims aren't the game

[swift tinsel]

the buffs feel very noticeable

quite nice

[mystic pond]

so with the racial changes is NE still the go to?

[delicate steeple]

I’m perma dooming sorry guys wcyd

[lucid jackal]

Literally for what reason

[delicate steeple]

The sun came up

[swift tinsel]

sun comes up = more shadows

sub loves shadows

owned

[austere zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-1000-yard-stare-espresso-gif-5540644428338043927

[native zodiac]

!sheet

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[sharp bison]

want to level my rogue, queuing up dungeons takes 15 min.

What is a good way to level now days

Delves or just quest

[acoustic lodge]

both

[keen dome]

11.1.5 for Dinars sounds fine.

[dry plank]

Do you like our new set? Looks very outlaw themed I do not like it

[mint swift]

Can you not get raider io anymore atm

Or mythic score

[mint swift]

Ears don’t clip so I’m happy

[swift tinsel]

a bit plunderstorm-derivative for me but the skull face is neat

[steep loom]

!fuu

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[mint swift]

But yea asking about m+ cause DoT assa is back

[keen dome]

You can still get rating but I don't think .io is tracking since it's just this weird week

[mint swift]

Ah ok

But yea ges

This was first pull of Nw

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[mint swift]

Danny had an SD hit for 15.7mil too he said

[bleak night]

CT CT CT

i welcome our crimson overlord

[mint swift]

No KB in build

Just DM and shiv as CDs

This was without MA aswell because I took IW as it’s NW

But we wiped 2nd pack and ppl left

[acoustic lodge]

Blled build is back for sin

[mint swift]

Now we justr need bleed build for sub

[keen dome]

Noooo

[swift tinsel]

no

never

[keen dome]

MOre shadow damage

[mint swift]

you all love rupture

Right???

[keen dome]

MORE BIG CRITS

[mint swift]

:D

[swift tinsel]

cooked AF idea

[mint swift]

I love having a bleed just brainlessly attatched to my burst CD spec

Because as we all know

DoT = burst damage

[keen dome]

big crits, big crits

[kindred saffron]

Bleed build

[mint swift]

How about a build that makes Sectech hit for like

[swift tinsel]

keep your red name bleed build bullshit in assassination lol

[mint swift]

30 mil or something

[swift tinsel]

we had that before they nerfed our tier set lol

[mint swift]

Like literally soimething that allows you to assemble the idk

Infinity stones, chaos emeralds, whatever hte fuck you want

and put all your eggs into one basket (ability)

[swift tinsel]

thats literally what we do now

[mint swift]

Oh

Thta's cool

[keen dome]

MORE

[swift tinsel]

60mil dream dead

[mint swift]

Also new BM is fucking cool tool

they made Pack leader cooler
I mean
It's not harder to get cooler than

"Every other KC is stronger i gues"

[keen dome]

next tier: 100m sectecs

gimme

[swift tinsel]

bm is cool if you only want to do 5% of your own dps

[mint swift]

That's exactly why i like it

Hold on

Outta my top 5 dps sources

1 is me

[swift tinsel]

piloted

get boosted nerd

[mint swift]

You say that

But there have most likely been points in history where my pets have been hitting harder than subtly rogue

[void hound]

did coup get a new animation?

[swift tinsel]

that's the animation its supposed to have

it just only triggered during the charge before 11.1

[void hound]

i see

[hexed sluice]

Rest in peices the built in charge on coup de grace, already killed me twice

[swift tinsel]

there's also a cool sound with each hit

much immersion

[mint swift]

Yipiie

It only took them

How fucking long

[swift tinsel]

100% of the life of coup

[mint swift]

Ah fair

[swift tinsel]

but its cool now

and we dont have the gcd lock

[mint swift]

I mean if it was arcane mage it would have gotten fixed day one

Seriously im still so damn salty about

[swift tinsel]

arcane mages in shambles

blizz keeps fucking them

[mint swift]

"Oh arcane mages, we fixed a bug but you said it worked better bugged, so we reverted it"

[swift tinsel]

with double dipping stuff

thats why I switched from arcane back to sub as soon as prog was over

that and they fixed the gcd lock of coup

[mint swift]

Well david you are a smart man

Oh god the GCD lock

didn't it make 9/10 trick outlaw better than 10/10 trick outlaw

[swift tinsel]

idk I never play outlaw