#subtlety | Ravenholdt | Page 123

swift tinsel Jan 15, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Yeah I have zero ambition to try and max anything out in that lol

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plus it'll all probably be in the trading post at some point

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The day the ah mount shows up on there I'll cackle myself into oblivion

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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i need to see how much i already have i only played a few games and had to just die in 2 of them because my gf needed something

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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It goes really quick. I just finished now. Every item bought again.

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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the plunder gain seems like later plunderstorm

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Yeah, it does

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:15 PM

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oh, i am at 9k already, thats not bad for only like 10 or 20 minutes

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Hell yeah

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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so there is a cap of 15k huh

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guess i need to buy something before farming the rest

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Yeah. I'm wondering (hoping) it's a sign they'll keep this system in the future and keep layering more rewards on top of it. And that's to stop people grinding 100k+ this time and immediately buying everything next.

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(Although who cares if people do that, honestly)

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:33 PM

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vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:35 PM

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hollow spear

This post is blue

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Hell yeah, finally

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fuu single handedly saving Sub again

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8.5k heroic parses on Sub the last 2 weeks, 205k retribution parses 😮

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:37 PM

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sub was and probably is one if not the least palyed spec in the game

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was def. in season 3/4 DF and most of season 1 TWW

jaunty umbra Jan 15, 2025, 9:38 PM

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you know what's more wild to me
sv hunter has almost double the parses of sub and outlaw combined (in mythic)

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can't blame them tho, I play it myself and it's fun af

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:39 PM

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Bombs

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:39 PM

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Theres slightly more retri parses than rogues too

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Slightly

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:39 PM

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A tad

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Sin being easier and doing more damage kinda makes sub and outlaw a hard sell rn

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:41 PM

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can't do much if the development does design in a way to make you play the spec

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Just going to tap the "We glow purple" sign until someone gives it a go.

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:43 PM

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sub is good, one other spec was just soo much better for the majority of time

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giving nobody a reason to switch away

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which is fine, devs want people to play it because its the simpler spec

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sub is fun and numerical competing which is more than you could ever ask for ^^

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:46 PM

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I'd wish it was slightly better in aoe/m+ scenarios but absolutely no complaints for raid

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:46 PM

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Yeah it's decent in raid

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Currently switching back and forth between sin and sub on court

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:46 PM

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bp is still a joke for how much of a trade off it is between aoe and st

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Yep

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Sin is just so much more chill, but also way less fun (for me)

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Idk sub is more chill to me because i dont need to think about the mark

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I just hit boss

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:47 PM

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True

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:48 PM

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But thats also what i progressed as because sin was sussy when we were there

hollow spear Jan 15, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Yeah it's less sussy now

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Even though 2 minutes still don't feel great

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Parses still favour sin tho

sacred path Jan 15, 2025, 9:50 PM

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keen dome Just going to tap the "We glow purple" sign until someone gives it a go.

That's a big sell, void elf too

keen dome Jan 15, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Our purple is cooler.

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 9:51 PM

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hollow spear Parses still favour sin tho

Eh not really, its about the same

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Theres just several multitudes more people playing assa

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 PM

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assassiantion is only rly better on 1-2 bosses

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but it rly does not matter overall

twilit phoenix Jan 15, 2025, 10:00 PM

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vale pine assassiantion is only rly better on 1-2 bosses

which ones would you say it's better on

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besides the obvious one like brood I guess

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 10:02 PM

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ovinax 100% better

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and on the beetle juice

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because you have soo much time in execute

twilit phoenix Jan 15, 2025, 10:10 PM

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vale pine and on the beetle juice

beetle juice?

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i'm sorry I'm a chud

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you mean rash?

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 10:14 PM

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i mean the bug boss that starts at 40% or so health

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its a early one so it does not matter

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man, why do i get chased down with 0 skills, plunderstorm please

lilac stag Jan 15, 2025, 10:28 PM

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Have you tried landing better? HOLY

vestal escarp Jan 15, 2025, 10:34 PM

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details trolling

vale pine Jan 15, 2025, 10:41 PM

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lilac stag Have you tried landing better? <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>

haha, i tried to do a nosedive

lilac stag Jan 15, 2025, 10:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-plunderstorm-wow-plunder-gif-15700434299578423005

Tenor

edgy zenith Jan 15, 2025, 11:01 PM

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was simming my alt today and noticed this in the APL. why the fuck did it do this:

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that's teh second dance on second flag

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is it really better to send sectech on CD than it is to get it supercharged?

hazy breach Jan 15, 2025, 11:02 PM

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Na

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Get it supercharged

edgy zenith Jan 15, 2025, 11:02 PM

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just weird robot thing?

vestal escarp Jan 15, 2025, 11:20 PM

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robot rotation is a sample over 1000 tires

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that does average dps

twilit phoenix Jan 16, 2025, 12:19 AM

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edgy zenith was simming my alt today and noticed this in the APL. why the fuck did it do thi...

symbols into shadowstrike, evisc, shadowstrike is crazy

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 12:28 AM

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lucid lily Jan 16, 2025, 12:29 AM

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Jfc that’s all we get?

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I mean cool, but cmon

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I feel like I scrolled for way too long for there to be a single rogue change

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 12:30 AM

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im surprised they went against the "theme of the ability"

twilit phoenix Jan 16, 2025, 12:30 AM

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lucid lily Jfc that’s all we get?

that's the only rogue note

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lmfaoo

spark tusk Jan 16, 2025, 12:31 AM

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I mean it does get people killed

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 12:31 AM

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i mean im pretty happy about this, probably wont be around to experience the non aids version of coup

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but still happy its gone

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 12:31 AM

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A small W is better than no W at all
-Sun Tzu, Art of War

spark tusk Jan 16, 2025, 12:32 AM

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hazy breach `A small W is better than no W at all` -Sun Tzu, Art of War

OMEGAKEKW dead

lucid lily Jan 16, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Definitely true

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I just hope there’s some sort of massive rework in the pipes or something at this point because it feels like I really long time since we’ve had anything meaningful addressed

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We just keep getting little qol handouts every now and then

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 12:32 AM

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hazy breach `A small W is better than no W at all` -Sun Tzu, Art of War

he was too real for that one

spark tusk Jan 16, 2025, 12:33 AM

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lucid lily I just hope there’s some sort of massive rework in the pipes or something at thi...

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

Tenor

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Well there was a whole ass rework in 10.2.

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Nevermind the fact that it was undercooked kek

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But it still happened

lucid lily Jan 16, 2025, 12:33 AM

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For sure

ebon tiger Jan 16, 2025, 12:34 AM

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no more charge on coup Kreygasm

lucid lily Jan 16, 2025, 12:34 AM

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spark tusk https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

I really should be used to it by now it’s been 20 years

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 12:51 AM

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pliant topaz he was too real for that one

Its not in the notes but surely theres bugfixes clueless

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(im joking ofc theres no bugfixes)

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 12:55 AM

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hazy breach (im joking ofc theres no bugfixes)

i was starting to get worried. cope addiction is very serious

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 1:00 AM

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xla

warm depot Jan 16, 2025, 1:03 AM

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holy shit huge changes today

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cant believe it

tulip token Jan 16, 2025, 1:13 AM

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I legit could care less about the coup charge.... Is that really all we get?

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:24 AM

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lucid jackal

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

Tenor

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:25 AM

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1 change, rogue is saved

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:26 AM

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WE’RE SO BACK

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Michelin Star cooking

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Enough sarcasm back to work

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:27 AM

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hazy breach Well there was a whole ass rework in 10.2.

meanwhile mages reworked in 11.0 yet here we are

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or enhance

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:27 AM

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Well ye theyre mages

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:27 AM

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litterally .5

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xd

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either way we're not in too bad a spot

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I'd appreciate if they had an elegant fix for having to hold dance charges for blades

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feels lame ngl

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:28 AM

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Some other QoL would be good, like Coup giving snd, replicating bug fixed and such

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:28 AM

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other than that aoe design for sub probably needs looking at if the only thing keeping it floating is flurry from trickster / repeated BP buffs

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ever since the rework this spec has been sus in keys

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Personally think having to use BP on 4 and 5 targets as trickster feels bad because of needing to apply find weakness

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I much prefered it when you'd just evis till like 8 and then BP:ed only on mass aoe

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:29 AM

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both hero trees have issues in aoe gameplaywise

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the way deathstalker plays out for sub in aoe sucks

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so bad

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Deathstalker is just classic sub of spamming bp, but ye

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But the evis feels bad

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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it's either we ignore DN and spam bp or BP and do no aoe for that global

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spatter fixes it for sin but we lack it

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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I dont think having to evis once for DN is that bad lol

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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power wise it's fine, good even bc of prio damage

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im talking gameplay

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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I think the gameplay is fine

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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doesn'#t feel good

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pressing a purely st button in aoe doesn't feel great

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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Its like backstab for flawless/nimble in aoe

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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vagrant fulcrum pressing a purely st button in aoe doesn't feel great

But we did that with trickster and nobody complained

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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the whole bp on st

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to keep coup?

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or applying

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fazed

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Well that's not pressing a ST button in aoe

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But also, I didn't like that

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Talking about pressing SS/BS for flawless form

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:33 AM

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functionally you could compare that to mutilating for spatter, it's just the way it works out / the payoff

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doesn't feel anywhere near as good

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doesn't hit those neurones

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there's a better solution in a dev's mind in the future, im sure - just gota give it time

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same as the day they uncap flurry

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might be giga cope but I believe it will come

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 AM

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I just dont see it as a problem that needs solving rlly

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 AM

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It would feel significantly better if it buffed BP instead of Evis

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Cause you'd be like "oh here it comes, boom!", instead of "guess ill have to use my stupid eviscerate now"

vagrant fulcrum Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 AM

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the joy of having a buffed BP nuking a bunch of aoe adds after sec tec would be glorious

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Would admittedly make the strike-sectech-storm-BP better when it lines up

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Like i agree its not horrible to need to eviscerate, but its just worse than if it wasnt there

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So whats the point

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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hazy breach It would feel significantly better if it buffed BP instead of Evis

how bout evis AND bp

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so you can choose

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UwU

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Well ye thats what i mean

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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that would be rad

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also i'm still waiting for storm to proc UB

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:38 AM

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Wouldn’t hate if it was also 5+ cp instead of 7

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:38 AM

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been crying about that one since beta

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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I really like that its max only ICANT

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Idm that as much either, just sometimes feels bad to be at 6 and need to storm again, but i can live with that

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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but it should probs work on BP as well

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Might be awkward with BP on where it then decides to reapply

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:40 AM

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Presumably your target, but ye

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Probably not happening because of the whole "mark your target with singletarget spells" kind of vibe theyre going for

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Yeh

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the only thing I dislike about DS is how it feels really inconsistent to get 2nd sectec in the transmitter

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but thats a transmitter problem not really ds yk]

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gloomblade

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 AM

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oh is gloomblade becoming a thing again because of our tier set

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 AM

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No u play Gloomblade with DS

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Cuz this

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 AM

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Well ye on pure pure ST

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 AM

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oh yeah, i was thinking about the new tier

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oh nvm

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4 set is just shadow dmg in dance, not outside

tropic pier Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 AM

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How can you guys play with replicating shadows I tried and the CP delay was driving me nuts. I dont know what else to take instead of it though. (ST/cleave raid fights)

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 AM

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tropic pier How can you guys play with replicating shadows I tried and the CP delay was driv...

Y U P

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 AM

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I mean theres a bunch of bugs with it even without replicating Cheesin

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 AM

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take imp shadow techniques instead

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 AM

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But ye idk, surely they fix this 1 year old bug that feels horrible to play with

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Just like how theyll surely fix the deathmark bug introduced at the start of the tier that also feels bad

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clueless

tropic pier Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 AM

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Its been around for 1 year? Jeez.

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 AM

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imagine losing entire finishers on a spec that works on cdr

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10/10

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Sub is genuinely very hard to play well/perfectly in keys now though

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Since we do no damage outside cds you need to "know" when you can get away with using "extra" dances and when you cant

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:49 AM

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yeah it's a bit to think about

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if you misjudge it you int your next cd set

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which is really bad

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i found by far the worst thing you can do is int symbols/dance cdr before next cd set

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so it's better to play it safe with charges before next cd set, but then you're playing a game of doing tank damage for extended periods of time sometimes

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 1:57 AM

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I think my sectech/flag/sod/dance WA’s have like six triggers each to keep track of conditions of when it’s safe to send them lol

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Heavy abuse of the return t[1] function

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:59 AM

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sub could do with a bit more simplifying

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no cdr on dance would be nice

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and then the only spell with cdr becomes sectec

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 2:00 AM

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I’d be cool with that

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Between sod, dance and sectech I think dance is the one I think about the least atm

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Esp now with supercharger

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 2:02 AM

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it's just an annoying thing of our entire rotation being dictated on the cdr of a spell that has horrible cdr

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 2:02 AM

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Then the whole Baking Blades into Dance thing would be better imo

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 2:02 AM

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and requiring high uptime

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there's a lot they could do

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my idea was they could make it so you can only press sectec in dance

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works on a thematic level too, secret technique is so secret you can only do it in stealth

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Have them replicate finishers after casting it for the duration of dance

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Like our s3 tier set

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But guaranteed

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No way they could successfully code that to work though

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 2:12 AM

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there's a lot they could do if they decided to cast their light upon us 🙂

hexed sluice Jan 16, 2025, 2:18 AM

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lucid jackal

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-tears-sobbing-crying-disgusting-tears-sob-gif-15852086

Tenor

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Not my charge

vestal escarp Jan 16, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Deepening shadows reduces dance cd based on cps spent in dance

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by x capped at y

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Maybe keeping ptr offline means they fix at least 1 thing wrong with the tier set

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copium

hybrid prism Jan 16, 2025, 2:40 AM

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!fuu

wicked joltBOT Jan 16, 2025, 2:40 AM

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 3:06 AM

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@tribal blade where are my pages of rogue changes?

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 3:07 AM

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lilac stag <@146180393941336064> where are my pages of rogue changes?

don't worry, it's coming next week

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 3:07 AM

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kk

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 3:07 AM

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and then the week after that

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and then the week after that

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and then the week after that

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etc etc

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 3:07 AM

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I’ll be waiting patiently

hybrid prism Jan 16, 2025, 3:35 AM

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I am not a pvper but i decided since the look of our current tier is my favorite set ever and the fact that the elite pvp purple one is my favorite version of it, I'd try to get it. I got 1800 in solo shuffle and am so pumped rn. This is so cool.

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 3:39 AM

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looks good!

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makes me sad the elite pvp set colors are always the best

lucid jackal Jan 16, 2025, 3:39 AM

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I really like the mythic recolor

hybrid prism Jan 16, 2025, 3:52 AM

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i have all the mythic one too i just like the dark grey and purple. screams sub to me!

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all shadowy

molten citrus Jan 16, 2025, 4:03 AM

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hybrid prism I am not a pvper but i decided since the look of our current tier is my favorite...

LETSGOO

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gz

edgy zenith Jan 16, 2025, 5:12 AM

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tribal blade my idea was they could make it so you can only press sectec in dance

cringe

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keep Sub hard

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keep it inaccesible

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fuck em

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 5:34 AM

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keep sub inaccessible>nobody plays sub>devs don't work on sub

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😦

edgy zenith Jan 16, 2025, 5:52 AM

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guess that's true

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bro y'all been in the Sin channel

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weird dudes over there

spark tusk Jan 16, 2025, 5:53 AM

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edgy zenith weird dudes over there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1326651001423396875/ABB203CD-3297-412D-9C1F-9482770360F6.gif

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 5:56 AM

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spark tusk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1326651001423396875/AB...

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kind bluff Jan 16, 2025, 5:58 AM

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What are people pushing dps wise overall in dungeons atm as sub?

edgy zenith Jan 16, 2025, 6:00 AM

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2M+ overall on all keys

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with good play

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max of like 2.5Mish

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think I saw Eleem or Hacha do 2.6M

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but that's REALLY pushing it

kind bluff Jan 16, 2025, 6:01 AM

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What's the thought process in keys? Send everything all the time?

edgy zenith Jan 16, 2025, 6:02 AM

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make your 90s burst perfect

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send as many extra sectechs with symbols as you can

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 6:02 AM

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considering how little sub does outside of cds don't sit on them too much

edgy zenith Jan 16, 2025, 6:03 AM

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basically send your 90s on any target count

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if it will live the full length

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Sub gives a lot of value because of strong low target count damage

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so your overall might be lower, but team timer is better

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unless you're going into liek a giga pull obviously

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 AM

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kind bluff What are people pushing dps wise overall in dungeons atm as sub?

depends on the dungeon and tank/group, but you should compete with other classes usually

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 7:01 AM

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is it possible for sectec to bug out and one clone not to appear?

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solar ingot Jan 16, 2025, 7:19 AM

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Sub burst seems absolutely insane in keys, but mine is just an alt and probably won’t ever be geared enough to see myself, for high target count pulls like a vault 10’s (so you can pull the whole screen) in like SV or NW what classes beat us with CD’s? Shaman and unh? Boomie?

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Or does it fall off way harder than I’m thinking when you’re pulling 15-20 mobs

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 7:56 AM

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HOLY

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 7:57 AM

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they fixed the entire of sub with that 1 change

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how do they keep doing it

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 7:57 AM

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tribal blade they fixed the entire of sub with that 1 change

ok hold on...

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 7:58 AM

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it's a good thing for sure

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but the volume is lacking in a big way

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that should be 1 line out of an entire paragraph

quaint lodge Jan 16, 2025, 8:02 AM

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everyday i rant at least once about the design of coup de grac

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cuz i forget that it does the dash mechanic, then i get mad when it kills me

cloud rover Jan 16, 2025, 8:19 AM

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tribal blade that should be 1 line out of an entire paragraph

Wasnt that the case for the last 3 Class Changes, where everything has like a long list

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and rogue gets a 2-3 liner kekdog

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 8:20 AM

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we are so subtle, they don't find words for us

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MonkaSub

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 8:20 AM

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cloud rover Wasnt that the case for the last 3 Class Changes, where everything has like a lo...

besides the anniversary changes it's been like that for a long time yeah

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also the tuning has been pretty hilarious too

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you can tell they put the minimal amount of thought into it and just did sweeping big number buffs

cloud rover Jan 16, 2025, 8:21 AM

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tribal blade besides the anniversary changes it's been like that for a long time yeah

Yeah

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Thats why im in the acceptance stage

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of the Grief circle

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 8:21 AM

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the sub channel got memed on for the DS buffs in particular, but anyone who actually understands the position sub was in knew how obviously little they cooked it >_<

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 8:22 AM

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cloud rover Thats why im in the acceptance stage

honestly i'm trying my best to not bring it up too much, but sometimes i just can't help it haha

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need to VENT

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 8:23 AM

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thanksfriend

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let it all out

cloud rover Jan 16, 2025, 8:30 AM

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You are still in the Anger phase

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its ok

vestal escarp Jan 16, 2025, 8:35 AM

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WTFF WTFF WTFF WTFF

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No way

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Notes?

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Bah

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 8:41 AM

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A good change, though, that's cool. No more comedy deaths.

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Just.. where rest.

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 8:42 AM

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shouldnt have been in the game without the tooltip info anyway imo

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 9:07 AM

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haughty mural shouldnt have been in the game without the tooltip info anyway imo

shouldnt have been in the game ~~without the tooltip info anyway~~ imo

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:21 AM

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void hound

good change

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 9:22 AM

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vale pine good change

#subtlety message

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do you know whats up with this

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:22 AM

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only bug i know is range related

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but that one is irrelevant now, because we lost long arms

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 9:24 AM

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it seems like the second clone didnt hit/come out

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:25 AM

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Weekly update, Development node.

[2;34mTrickster:[0m
[2;36m• Coup de Grace now requires its target to be in melee range, and so no longer has a dash component when activated outside of regular melee range.[0m
```Source: [> Click here! <](<https://www.wowhead.com/news/january-15th-undermine-d-development-notes-class-changes-drive-delve-testing-363229?utm_source=discord-webhook>)

Overall a good change, it removes one of the few frustration points when playing the hero talent.

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM

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vale pine ## __**Weekly update, Development node.**__ ```ansi [2;34mTrickster:[0m [2;36...

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lets pin it for visibility

plush roost Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM

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I hope they keep the animation

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Lowkey

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Its cool

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U just couldn't see it unless you're at range LOl

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:28 AM

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the charge killed me a few times

median nacelle Jan 16, 2025, 9:28 AM

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vale pine ## __**Weekly update, Development node.**__ ```ansi [2;34mTrickster:[0m [2;36...

did the RS bug stealth past dev notes this time aswell? that sneaky bastard

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 9:29 AM

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still trellis shouldnt have been in the game ~~without the tooltip info anyway~~ imo

fair 2ez

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i bet the animation died with the charge now ?

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 9:30 AM

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i hope it removes the weird lockout/delay too

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 9:31 AM

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i dont think so

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thats because of the multiple hits (and the dfa skeleton)

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me thinks

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:31 AM

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median nacelle did the RS bug stealth past dev notes this time aswell? that sneaky bastard

for some reason slipped through the patch notes and game for the last year

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 9:32 AM

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feature

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at this point

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 9:34 AM

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we have a lot of nice features at this point ^^

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 9:40 AM

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^^ well played

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 9:40 AM

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i would have rather gotten bugfixes to refund delays, that bothers me more than the coup charge tbh

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coup charge you can at least play around

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refund delay you can't sadly

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 9:41 AM

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At least the charge isn't a feature anymore dracthyr_kek

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 9:41 AM

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silver lining yeah 😉

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 9:41 AM

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I'm curious if it came about from people complaining, or smoeone playing Sub and dying to it

fair anchor Jan 16, 2025, 9:41 AM

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I read it as "no longer has a death component"

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 9:41 AM

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Hahaha

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Not wrong!

plush roost Jan 16, 2025, 9:44 AM

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Coup de grace renamed to Tricky trickster eviscerate

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"we dont want people to think about dying, and the name suggested that. Sorry about the charge..."

frank musk Jan 16, 2025, 9:57 AM

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We got to make sure our enemies believe they will live if we hit them with that. Enemies are people too!

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 9:59 AM

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at last,coup becomes 50% less hated

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still hated to infinity though

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took them only like

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3months(?)

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madRage

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my personal opinion is that the charge component was clearly an outlaw thing

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Why is blizzard nerfing our mobility again?

frank musk Jan 16, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Because they fear us.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM

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yeah man,they fear like 100 ppl playing rogue

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much terror

frank musk Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM

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Thats 100 too many in blizzards eyes.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM

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such wow

frank musk Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM

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Such wow, much rogue, much stealth, much fright.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM

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DoggoSmile

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:05 AM

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Looking at the arena for the final boss in the new raid, I am sad we won't be yeeting ourselves down the hole.

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"One last eviserate!"
Dead

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The renown dinar thing from Undermine is so good. Absolutely checking off a wishlist shift in loot.

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Hopefully it becomes a standard thing every season to just buy an up-to-iLevel cap item from the raid eventually.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:18 AM

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thats a very good thing yeah,makes the game all the more attractive to ppl

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imagine that IVE STILL havent seen a skadryns

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never

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they need to add a bad luck protection vendor,this is just disgusting

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:20 AM

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Absolutely

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:20 AM

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ive went all the way to 638ilvl with 100+ keys over 10s,still no trinket

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:20 AM

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Adding a renown track for M+ too that has a similar currency would be fantastic.

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So you could have 4 deterministic Myth-quality items each season eventually

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Would be huuuuuge, esp if it's per character

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Not sure how long it'll take to get them, though. It's late in the renown track. Probably month 2 of the patch if you do it weekly? Maybe 3?

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but that's still, like. A huge improvement.

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:21 AM

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hmm, unsure if i want to play some more plunderstorm

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 10:27 AM

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round latch imagine that IVE STILL havent seen a skadryns

Game is saving you from trying to play assa.

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:28 AM

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I wish I could give people Skardyns

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The game is determined to give me them. Please, anything else. Mr. Lootrng

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:29 AM

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lilac stag Game is saving you from trying to play assa.

ive played most keys as assa,now ive swapped to sub coz all my gear is sub,no downside

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thing is ive wasted months of my life trying to be ''optimal'' and ''reasonable'' but the game kept raising the middle finger

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now its me raising that mfk@r back

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:35 AM

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keen dome The renown dinar thing from Undermine is so good. Absolutely checking off a wish...

you would be getting that dinar in a week or 2, so you still wouldnt have it if we had dinars in current season

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:35 AM

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It's still an improvement, though

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Like, even if it's coming late (it is coming later than I'd like) it's still better than the current season's approach. That's good.

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:36 AM

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i mean its better than nothing thats true

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i still dont have transmitter so i just dont even play sub

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maybe just give it a month sooner

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so like if we got it mid december or smth like that

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thats 3 and a half months into the season?

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:37 AM

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so do i not understand how math works or what. how could human possibly sim same as night elf when human dmg racial is 2% of all stats and night elf 1% of crit or haste

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:37 AM

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i think that would be alright monkahmm

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:37 AM

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still trellis thats 3 and a half months into the season?

Ye

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I'd say it should be a token every month or so in an ideal setting.

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That'd be, imo, the ideal 'cadence' for this kind of deterministic system.

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But, hopefully, they listen to feedback on it coming a bit too slow.

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It's interesting that we get damage buffs and stuff way earlier, though.

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:38 AM

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hmm every month sounds a bit too much, atleast if we start from month 1

haughty mural Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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cloud gale so do i not understand how math works or what. how could human possibly sim same...

because racials for dmg are whatever

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2ez

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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cloud gale so do i not understand how math works or what. how could human possibly sim same...

could check the apl why,this is a Dslice i suppose?

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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still trellis hmm every month sounds a bit too much, atleast if we start from month 1

Maybe? It's hard to know for sure and I'd rather err towards "a bit much" than "not enough" if that makes sense? But since it's one item, it'd probably be fine enough. Maybe every other month.

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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single target patchwerk

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race sim

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normal race sim

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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hmm

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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'Cos like you say: transmitter haha

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

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nothing special

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i just dont understand how they acn be the same

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should be a clear difference

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:40 AM

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maybe lord @vale pine has some insight

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:40 AM

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keen dome Maybe? It's hard to know for sure and I'd rather err towards "a bit much" than "...

id say start first month with a hc piece (because many people arent even close to killing kyveza or court that soon, so just giving them the myth track trinket so soon would be meh imo)

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and month 2 onwards can give myth track

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:41 AM

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You'd still have to upgrade it, etc. I dunno, I think it's fine. It's bracketless track.

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I firmly believe WoW would be better if they got rid of loot brackets for upgrading in general, and simply let you take any drop to iLevel cap eventually with the currency.

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:41 AM

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as long as i dont get it after i almost quit twice its going in a good direction dracthyr_kek

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:42 AM

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haha, yeah

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:42 AM

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keen dome I firmly believe WoW would be better if they got rid of loot brackets for upgrad...

facts, well maybe keep a few tracks still only for vault or myth raid so you get an incentive

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but not 13 like it currently is

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maybe, 6-7

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:42 AM

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They'd just drop at higher iLevel, imo

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:42 AM

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round latch maybe lord <@194804407706189824> has some insight

whats the question?

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM

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keen dome They'd just drop at higher iLevel, imo

possible, but you wouldnt be as interested in opening your vault at that point

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and imagine doing lfr, getting transmitter and upgrading it to 639 with only spamming 7s

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM

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cloud gale so do i not understand how math works or what. how could human possibly sim same...

human gives a stat bonus, stats are good -> human is good

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM

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how does human and night elf sime exact same

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when human gives more stats

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night elf less

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM

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still trellis possible, but you wouldnt be as interested in opening your vault at that point

Yeah, it's a good point and I don't have a good answer, really. Ultimately it demonstrates the failure of the vault haha

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:44 AM

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probably error tollerance

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you can sim with lower target error

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also night elf has additional benefits from the extra stealth/shadowstrike

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:45 AM

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vale pine whats the question?

why nelf sims the same as human

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:45 AM

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keen dome Yeah, it's a good point and I don't have a good answer, really. Ultimately it de...

yap, and i dont think a vault redesign is gonna happen any time soon, so it giving max track items or whatever is good, just make it less annoying if you dont get your skardyns for example after 15 weeks of filling vault with 10s

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:45 AM

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its negligible ik but just to get an answer to the man's question

still trellis Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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13 ilvl is annoyingly big

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imo

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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Yeah, absolutely

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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ye im not planning on swapping i was just curious

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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round latch its negligible ik but just to get an answer to the man's question

already answered ^^

cloud gale Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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lower targer error sim

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hmm

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i gotta try that then ig

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:47 AM

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iterations=100000

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^ put that on top in your advanced sim

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should lower the target error, but also it likely won't change the outcome much

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 10:48 AM

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round latch ive played most keys as assa,now ive swapped to sub coz all my gear is sub,no do...

I’m sorry someone hurt you so badly that you felt the need to play assa.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:49 AM

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lilac stag I’m sorry someone hurt you so badly that you felt the need to play assa.

yes im whoring between rogue specs(besides outlaw ive got some self respect)

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😂

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:49 AM

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i had fun playing 20 mins of plunderstorm yesterday

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probably will play another 20-30 mins today to get enough plunder for the rewards

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and go back to not plaiyng it ^^

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:51 AM

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im playing my orc now and my mage a bit but ye,might try classic idk

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retail is sht atm

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:52 AM

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classic became a streamer chatroom and one of the biggest soap operas in existence

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(not saying that its not enteratining to observe)

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:55 AM

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It's very funny

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:57 AM

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i think the current piratesoftware drama is a bit unhinged, people rly need to touch grass.
But the dramas before with e.g. sending tyler1 on a tank and be like "what can go wrong if somone unexperienced tanks first time in hardcore in difficult content" had entertainment value.

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 10:58 AM

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ive eaten some chips while watching the warchief best of 9 duel

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:59 AM

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lol, the duel was very funny. I've barely followed it but even I had to tune in.

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 10:59 AM

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but its nice, the classic established a completely diffrent audience of players and is a experience you either like or hate.

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 10:59 AM

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It really is a soap opera, you are right

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 11:00 AM

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classic is much much slower tbh

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boomer stage slower

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fits me perfectly

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:00 AM

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Haha

round latch Jan 16, 2025, 11:00 AM

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u know,get back to mc,get perditions blade,craft TF

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:00 AM

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Oooh, that's why it's such a good soap opera. It's full of boomers dracthyr_kek

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM

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vale pine i think the current piratesoftware drama is a bit unhinged, people rly need to t...

someone in my guild said the exact same thing about people needing to touch grass

mighty citrus Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM

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!fuu

wicked joltBOT Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM

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yeah he's being stubborn and a bit of a moron, but people are blowing this WAY out of proportion

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and the streamers are making it a massive deal because it's so much free content for them

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:18 AM

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tribal blade someone in my guild said the exact same thing about people needing to touch gras...

people keep sending death threads over a youtuber making a mistake in hardcore.
It is mostly to stir drama it seems, the classic audience is extremely toxic...

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:18 AM

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He's also doing that, too. He's farming the content himself instead of just.. touching grass. He's also blowing it out of proportion but that's what he does. People are being gross and taking it too far and actually harassing him though

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:18 AM

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vale pine people keep sending death threads over a youtuber making a mistake in hardcore. ...

death threats over a video game is so crazy

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:18 AM

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People love to resort to death threats

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Immediate taking it to 900%

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:18 AM

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it is just blown out of propotions, being mad that a streamer pussied out to not lose his hardcore character is fine

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but there is just a point it moves away from that and gets into a dangerous territory, and it seems to be there

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Ye

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:19 AM

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my nickname in my guild disc right now btw

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Haha

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Part of it is that he's successfully undermined a lot of his online 'bravado' and people are figuring out he's an intense, immense bullshitter incapable of not doubling down. And some other dodgy stuff, but like. Death threats, nah, too much. Just laugh and then ignore the guy.

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:20 AM

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wait why are there feet

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:20 AM

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HAHA

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ok

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:20 AM

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FEET LORE

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:20 AM

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so we have a guildie who's attracted to feet

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here's the discord ranks

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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hmm

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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lmao

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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i'm a raider rank so i'm phalanges haha

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casual is toenails

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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I respect going fully into the bit

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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tribal blade here's the discord ranks

haha, thats so funny

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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our RL is the brain

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:22 AM

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vale pine haha, thats so funny

dude my guild is really fun, i've been in this guild for 5 years now

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we have so much fun together, it's constant jokes

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:22 AM

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Extremely blessed

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:22 AM

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i got offered to trial for a HoF guild and turned it down

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because i don't want to leave my guild

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also i don't want to get that sweaty with raiding

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i'm happy being in a CE guild that sometimes accidently gets HoF

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:24 AM

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fun is the most important thing

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:24 AM

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btw here is our casual rank in guild

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 11:24 AM

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progression is second

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:24 AM

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my guild master named it after me

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what a guy

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:24 AM

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vale pine fun is the most important thing

it really is

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:25 AM

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Yeah, it is. Being in a good community is so key, imo.

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I'd love to do higher content. But leaving the guild I've been in for 10+ years? nope, never happening. Good community -> all

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:25 AM

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i feel that 😉

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you guys could probably do at least the first 2 on mythic i think

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although the first boss is strangely a long fight for a 1st boss of the raid

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not sure what kill times look for it now, but iirc it was something close to a 10 min fight at the start of the tier

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:33 AM

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Yeah, we could probably do 4/8 honestly but it's the organizing aspect.

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Just cannot be bothered to do that again, haha. Flex is nice 'cos it doesn't matter.

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 11:40 AM

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very true getting 20 people together is a chore

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plus comp issues

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 11:41 AM

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We tried pretty hard to do it in BfA, Nazjatar. Multiple times we'd have 22 - 24 people signed and then 18 would show up, haha.

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And we weren't good enough to underman the content, so it just became extremely frustrating. The organizational work that goes into running a Mythic guild well is massive.

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I did my hardcore organization when we were a 25-man guild

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 11:47 AM

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vale pine i think the current piratesoftware drama is a bit unhinged, people rly need to t...

common fuu W take

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 12:22 PM

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cloud gale how does human and night elf sime exact same

Human doesnt give you flat 2% percentages of every stat. It gives you 2% more from stats on gear. So while nelf brings your crit/haste from 30 to 31% human instead brings your 10000 points of stats to 10200

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Which roughly ends up being the same amount of stats as it requires to get 1% crit or haste like nelf does

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Imagine if VE actually worked

alpine wraith Jan 16, 2025, 12:34 PM

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any day now

fallow nimbus Jan 16, 2025, 1:07 PM

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Looks like i was right with the 16 notes for all of ptr kekw damn

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Atleast no more accidental coup deaths

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:17 PM

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idk friends, i gave it a whirl in a couple dungeons and sat at the dummy for an hour

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its interesting

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seems like it would be fun in raid, but in m+ i feel like i give up so much switching from sin

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Sadge

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i think i've gotten way too used to iron wire lmao

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 1:25 PM

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weak

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:27 PM

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crystal bone i think i've gotten way too used to iron wire lmao

most sin rogues don't really run iron wire in keys anymore

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considering you can pick up some pretty high impact talents dropping iron wire

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:28 PM

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im really only considering vault keys with pugs

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:28 PM

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they might still run IW for some dungeons like SV and GB, but i haven't been keeping up

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:28 PM

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it solves a lot of pug's issues

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:29 PM

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Ye GB without IW is just painful

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Turns out being able to silence a pack for the first 15 seconds of the pull and then another 15s every vanish

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Is pretty good

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:29 PM

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but i could really see myself giving season 2 raid a shot as sub, im just not sure about keys

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:29 PM

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yeah the casts in GB are crazy

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i'm happy blizz is going in the direction of making M+ in general easier

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:30 PM

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Like the golem packs never even gets a cast of when youre playing iron wire

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If you werent you'd be sweating trying to stop everything

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:30 PM

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i also liked running iron wire in NW

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but every dungeon besides those 3 it doesn't feel neccessary

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:31 PM

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crystal bone but i could really see myself giving season 2 raid a shot as sub, im just not su...

Its pretty good in keys, even now. Its just not as good as assa

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 PM

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piloted well sub is actually quite strong

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 PM

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and theres no reason to believe it might change for season 2 right?

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 PM

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Since every route is based on pulling big with enhance cooldowns having cooldowns that doesnt line up with those 2 mins makes it a bit rough

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When you do no damage outside cooldowns like sub does

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:32 PM

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yea its kinda crazy

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like NO damage

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kek

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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crystal bone and theres no reason to believe it might change for season 2 right?

well sub auto losing 1.5 min high impact trinket off the bat

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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Assa set also stinks while subs is really good, especially for keys

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Rocking up to a pull with coup ready and 10 stacks of tier

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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is sub's good in keys because you can actually rupture spread between dances

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:34 PM

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Means the pack is gonna evaporate

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:34 PM

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since it's rupture spamming to maintain the 10 stack

tight bison Jan 16, 2025, 1:36 PM

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so anyone tried Sub in the PTR yet? 😄

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 PM

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Not much to try

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Tier set doesnt work

tight bison Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 PM

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oh

void hound Jan 16, 2025, 1:38 PM

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hazy breach Tier set doesnt work

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

Tenor

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:39 PM

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fixing the tier set is gonna be sub's dev time

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:39 PM

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i think i need to run a few more dungeons as sub

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:40 PM

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it can get awkward because of cds

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:40 PM

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its definitely not easy lol

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being conservative with cds yea

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:40 PM

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because since you do literally nothing outside cds you can't hold stuff too long

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but if you do need to hold cds because the pack is gonna not live long enough or you need em for something coming up

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you can send an extra dance/symbols to help kill stuff off

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:41 PM

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im getting the hang of the cd's, just knowing when to pool to have 2 dances up for flag/blades

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:42 PM

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BUT if you mess up with how much time you thought you would have, you'll int your cdr and charges for next cd set

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:42 PM

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yea

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a symbol dance into evis into sectech

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:42 PM

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erring on the side of caution is usually better

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:42 PM

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correct?

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:43 PM

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you want to sectec 1st finisher as trickster

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:43 PM

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ohh okay

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 PM

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you can do evis as 1st finisher if you want to if sectec has like ~10-12 secs left on cd

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since the 1st evis will reduce sectec's cd by 10 seconds cast at full CPs

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:44 PM

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yeah ive noticed that timing as well

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 PM

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and if coup is up you can cast that as first finisher in dance when sectec has around 15-17 secs left on cd

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:45 PM

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the only thing im confused about is the multi target opener on fuu's guide, spreads bleeds then blows cds and starts evis

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rather than black powder

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 PM

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evis is for less than 5 targets

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BP for 5 or more

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 PM

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does evis cleave? it must lol

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i should do some more reading

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:46 PM

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it does with nimble flurry

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:47 PM

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ahh ok

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:47 PM

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nimble flurry is active when you have flawless form up

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btw i wouldn't bother with spreading rupture much

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if you're going into a pack with all your cds up

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:47 PM

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yea i have that sin habit

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so like throw out 1-2 rups? or not even 2

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:48 PM

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it was a good habit to have, but considering how fast packs die now it's not really as worth as before

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more worth to get full value of your cds

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:48 PM

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crystal bone so like throw out 1-2 rups? or not even 2

if you're doing weekly 10s and packs evaporate quick there's not much point casting rupture expect for 1 with your finisher after you cast flag

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BUT if stuff is gonna live a while rupture spreading very good

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:49 PM

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yea makes sense

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:49 PM

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BP is also doing way more dam than before too though

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the aggressive rupture spreading was more of a thing when BP was going 55% less damage lol

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:50 PM

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what procs nimble flurry again?

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:50 PM

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unseen blade gives you flawless form

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and flawless form gives you nimble flurry as long as it's up

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so i'd recommend to get a WA to track flawless form

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:50 PM

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zac's tracks it i've noticed

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:51 PM

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oh sectec gives flawless too

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:51 PM

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i dont see how u play around it though, if unseen blade just happens naturally

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while playing the spec

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:52 PM

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in aoe outside dance you're spamming storm to build right

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so you'll naturally have moments where you drop flawless form

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since UB doesn't proc off storm

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:52 PM

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ahhh yep i see now

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:52 PM

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so in that case you can backstab till you get it back up

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it's not as much of an issue as before considering sub is able to dance more frequently now so you'll be maintain flawless quite naturally

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:53 PM

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kinda like the occasional mut to maintain spatter

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:53 PM

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but it'll drop

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:53 PM

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crystal bone kinda like the occasional mut to maintain spatter

much more painful sadly 😦

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:53 PM

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yea since its rng

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kek

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:53 PM

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no way to know if you'll actually proc it, but chances are good you will

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but you can be in a situation where you're spamming backstab multiple times and it's not reset

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:54 PM

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but by then ill probably have another dance window available anyway

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i hope

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:54 PM

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tribal blade so in that case you can backstab till you get it back up

Unless youre at eviscerating number of targets it doesnt actually matter

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:54 PM

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xD

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:55 PM

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hazy breach Unless youre at eviscerating number of targets it doesnt actually matter

is it actually alright to let it drop in mass aoe?

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i never actually double checked that

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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if ur using black powder anyway?

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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Its incredibly minor to begin with, so ye

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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cool cool

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makes things simpler

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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crystal bone if ur using black powder anyway?

for 5+ targets yeah

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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also is it normal to be energy starved

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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very much so yes

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 1:56 PM

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or am i not pooling when i need to

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kk

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ive caught myself energy staved in a dance window though

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so i probably did something wrong

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 1:58 PM

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Did you dance without symbols

tribal blade Jan 16, 2025, 1:59 PM

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if you dance without symbols, you're gonna have a bad time

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 2:00 PM

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not sure, i dont think i ever dance without a symbols up

plain jay Jan 16, 2025, 2:01 PM

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I have, 0/10 do not recommend

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 2:01 PM

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i also dont dance/symbols without a sectec ready

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or ready within 1 finisher

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is that the basic rule of thumb?

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i also noticed symbols lasts longer than dance does, if u want to dance again immediately after, do u wait for symbols to fall off first?

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or do u utilize the energy and symbols again

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for the next dance

plain jay Jan 16, 2025, 2:04 PM

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You wouldn't want to dance without st

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Outside of flag window

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I think eleem has a graphic of how it works on icy veins or maybe stealthi on method guide

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One of them has the cadence on where/when dance and symbols go

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 2:13 PM

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kk ill have to check after work

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 2:43 PM

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I see the sim doing a lot of symbols/dance into finisher into sectec when sectec still has cd left

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So "sectec" first isn't like 100% of a must outside of flag/blades

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Or am I getting that wrong?

twilit phoenix Jan 16, 2025, 2:44 PM

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Sim might be bug abusing

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 2:45 PM

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Wdym bug? It's just using the first finisher to reduce sectec's cd?

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Or am I missing sth?

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 2:51 PM

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crystal bone i also noticed symbols lasts longer than dance does, if u want to dance again im...

You'd still symbols again because you need sectech to be supercharged

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 2:51 PM

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hollow spear I see the sim doing a lot of symbols/dance into finisher into sectec when sectec...

If its less than 10s left so you still get it supercharged its fine

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During your non flag ones ye

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 2:52 PM

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gotcha thats what i was doing

kind bluff Jan 16, 2025, 3:04 PM

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Do you chain dance inside pandemic window to keep macabre stacks going or do they reset with second dance?

flint sundial Jan 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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They reset

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 3:09 PM

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Also you cant dance during dance

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So you cant pandemic it

rocky ocean Jan 16, 2025, 3:16 PM

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Dance dance dance

kind bluff Jan 16, 2025, 3:17 PM

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Ah ur right I'm dumb

ruby spear Jan 16, 2025, 3:28 PM

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!sheet

wicked joltBOT Jan 16, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 4:59 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/flashyklau-cute-anime-girl-vrcc-gif-24446829

Tenor

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Dance Dance?

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:14 PM

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vale pine ## __**Weekly update, Development node.**__ ```ansi [2;34mTrickster:[0m [2;36...

Niceeee

vale pine Jan 16, 2025, 5:17 PM

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indeed

vague oar Jan 16, 2025, 5:23 PM

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Thank God it's gone but I'll miss it cause it killed me in some pretty funny ways

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I was doing a web on silken and I coup'd the small guy right when he jumped. Made me dash across the room and we died cause no web

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:26 PM

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is void reaper hc on off hand better than any max level dagger?

uneven scarab Jan 16, 2025, 5:26 PM

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U need a dagger oh

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!oh

wicked joltBOT Jan 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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i asked wrong channel

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sorry i know

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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worn ivy is void reaper hc on off hand better than any max level dagger?

Worse than a ilvl 1 dagger kek

uneven scarab Jan 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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ah LMAO

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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i was about to ask for outlaw 😄

uneven scarab Jan 16, 2025, 5:28 PM

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I think dagger in oh for outlaw is only a min max

leaden prairie Jan 16, 2025, 5:28 PM

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worn ivy i was about to ask for outlaw 😄

Sim it cuh

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I honestly don't know

uneven scarab Jan 16, 2025, 5:28 PM

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Isnt dagger oh only like 1% better than a normal fist weapon or smthn

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for outlaw

leaden prairie Jan 16, 2025, 5:28 PM

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He said any max Ilvl dagger

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Idk if hc thing is good enough

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Maybe in St or smth

uneven scarab Jan 16, 2025, 5:29 PM

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Dagger looks cooler CAUGHT

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Do you guys know if focusing lens interacts with deeper daggers?

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or any other shadow related?

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stuff

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Nop

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Only thing is lingering darkness in deathstalker, but thats a bug

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Theyve clearly stated before that they dont want items interacting with class talents/passives so anytime they do its considered a bug

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:35 PM

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hmm

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Necklace and cape is best thing to craft for focusing lens right so i can wear better ilvl also i think u cannot craft versa on neck but you can craft focusing lens

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Can probably craft whatever you want, embellishments are incosequential as shit

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Wdym you can't craft versa on neck?

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 5:39 PM

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The embellishments this season are genuinely worse than last season of dragonflight.

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In dragonflight you got like 1350 stats from your lining embellishment, now we get 750

worn ivy Jan 16, 2025, 5:41 PM

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hollow spear Wdym you can't craft versa on neck?

You canot craft on neck versa embalishment

hexed sluice Jan 16, 2025, 5:42 PM

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Any Siphoning Stiletto gamers? pepeclown

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 5:56 PM

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hazy breach Theyve clearly stated before that they dont want items interacting with class ta...

this sounded so stupid to me back then, still does. like theyre all about immersion and themes and fantasy, and then your class fantasy of being a shadowy assassin means u dont interact with shadowy items

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like legit hypocrocy everywhere

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 5:58 PM

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to be fair our shadowy talents don't even interact properly

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 5:59 PM

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thats not really the point of it though

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its the idea that they wanted to remove anything from workign with these

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havoc had a lot of interactions

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and they all got gutted as well (except the bugged ones like their crit bonuses)

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like whats the point of removing all these interactions? to further reduce peoples excitements for unique items that interact well with their kit?

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because you couldnt balance the items for the specs? whats wrong with specs having amazing items to chase?

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instead of awful and boring and non consequential 0.1% incremental gains

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:02 PM

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Even from a balance standpoint, they weren't ever SUPER insane, right? Really nice, but it created diversity of gearing and chase items for specifc classes, but never to the extent one of the items was game-breaking, iirc? And even if they were, you could balance that item itself rather than cull the interactions.

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Bring the cool stuff back

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:03 PM

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i think it was intra spec variance not cross spec variance

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:03 PM

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That'd make more sense, yeah

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Idk my guess is they want to be able to look at those kinds of things in a vacuum without taking into consideration how it affects specs differently but then you lose all flavor like Armin said

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:03 PM

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^ but why

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:04 PM

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Lazy

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lack of resources, etc

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:04 PM

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i think its because it meant they were tuning specs around these items and their interactions with them

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:04 PM

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I'm all for fun flavor

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:04 PM

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and the floor between very optimized and non optimized was high

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but thats the entire point of an MMO

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mmo is just a time sink to chase items

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the less chase you ahve to do , the less desire you have to play the game

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if the floor and ceiling of my spec is 3% i cant care less

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:05 PM

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Plus then you lose the payoff of getting it, but its also a bit of a double edged sword bc you feel bad not having it

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Like having vs not having transmitter

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:05 PM

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like who here has looked at ptr items?

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if you take away the "funny names" of the items

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:05 PM

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I had a look over some, and outside of some funny names.. yeah

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:05 PM

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is there a single item youre excited to chase for?

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Oh they're super lame

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

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is there a single item youre like super happy to get?

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Not for mechanical purposes, nope.

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

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I've been testing out each of them and zero have any interesting gameplay

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Goon squad is the only interesting one and I use that term loosely

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

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thats my whole point. an MMO without an interesting chase or grind is not an MMO

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its a raid simulator

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:07 PM

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because the npc interactions change based on st vs aoe

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No good trinkets, no cantrip dagger

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tier set is largely meh gameplay wise

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:07 PM

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pliant topaz thats my whole point. an MMO without an interesting chase or grind is not an MMO

FF14 loot, imo

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:07 PM

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and potentially encourages degen play

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:07 PM

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It's all flat statsticks.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:07 PM

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swift tinsel tier set is largely meh gameplay wise

im probably fully done with wow until atleast midnight, but I am interested in seeing how I can optimize gameplay around tier for you guys still playing

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Once its in sims ill start working on it

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:08 PM

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hero. I appreciate your effort, and the other TC's.

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Yeah I'm not feeling too compelled to put in much effort this season but I'm happy to figure out proc/reset mechanics, rates, etc

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Eleem, Fuu and I already discussed some interesting ideas for how to play with the tier

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:08 PM

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basically spent a day just doing openers to see how often it procs in vs out of dance and cd's

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:08 PM

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unfortunately they may not be very positive gameplay loops but theres optimization around them to be done properly

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:09 PM

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swift tinsel basically spent a day just doing openers to see how often it procs in vs out of ...

its jsut 10 rppm

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roughly every 6 seconds

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in dance it gives you x2 stacks

alpine wraith Jan 16, 2025, 6:09 PM

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yea you will just refresh rupture rn

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:09 PM

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and sometimes only 2 stacks for all of your cd window

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:09 PM

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maybe

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pretty sure theres a threshold where you would rupture or evis

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like a stack threshold

alpine wraith Jan 16, 2025, 6:10 PM

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the danger you get for a 100k evis

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is not worth

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:10 PM

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my guess is 3-4 stacks

alpine wraith Jan 16, 2025, 6:10 PM

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maybe if is a coup or DN evis

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:10 PM

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2-3 pretty much guarantees 10 stacks for 2nd sectech, if not the whole latter half of flag

alpine wraith Jan 16, 2025, 6:10 PM

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it is worth to rist at x stacks

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:11 PM

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so 3-4 makes sense

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:11 PM

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alpine wraith maybe if is a coup or DN evis

im almost 100% sure theyre bugged with tier right now

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yea its gonna be a nightmare

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i also wonder if DB becomes more powerful

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since more shadow damage

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rupture stonks

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Oooh, DB. Hell yeah

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 PM

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well not really

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 PM

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I was wondering if there'd be something there, with the Shadow tierset bit

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 PM

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because it probably means no sod charges

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or 1 sod charge

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 PM

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yeah a world where db is the play is way less interesting

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:13 PM

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Yeah, true true

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but I like DB. So I will be monentarily happy.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:13 PM

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you woudl be giving up fun gameplay and resources for passive damage and fewer gameplay impacting decisions

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:13 PM

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would be full sail on DS I'd guess bc you're losing dance/sectech uptime from less supercharger

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 PM

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i cant remember but db builds are already like 4% ish behind

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 PM

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something like that iirc

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 PM

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more shadow damage might make it closer

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 PM

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pliant topaz you woudl be giving up fun gameplay and resources for passive damage and fewer g...

Only allowed to have fun gameplay 1 season every 3 expansions.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 PM

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we'll see what the robot says

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:15 PM

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lilac stag Only allowed to have fun gameplay 1 season every 3 expansions.

are you? a 45% buff to the most boring dogshit passive parts of DS tree suggests u cant even have 1

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maybe a few weeks/months of one

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:15 PM

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well. Those of use still playing are playing fun in spite of blizzard and Mr Robot.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:16 PM

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fair enough

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:16 PM

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"Why aren't people playing Deathstalker?" "It's less fun" "Oh, we're gonna buff BP to fix that"

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:17 PM

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they’re going to remove coup charge and watch it some how effect the dmg

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:17 PM

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"and here's autoattack damage that does way more than most of your abilities"

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:18 PM

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lilac stag they’re going to remove coup charge and watch it some how effect the dmg

wouldn't be surprised if it brings back the animation/gcd lock bc why not

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:19 PM

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pliant topaz fair enough

I also haven’t touched my rogue except for raid. Just chilling on warrior.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:19 PM

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lilac stag they’re going to remove coup charge and watch it some how effect the dmg

funny thing is coup officially has no animation

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it only had a visible animation if cast from ranged

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:20 PM

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it has an animation it just is conditional. At range and no key spamming. Gg bliz

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Only took us 5 months to learn about it.

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:20 PM

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and you can still stutter yourself out of every attack animation anyways

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true immersion

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:21 PM

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lilac stag I also haven’t touched my rogue except for raid. Just chilling on warrior.

i had a trial with a world 100 guild last tuesday, it went well and was fun. Then it hit me that I just straight up am not enjoying wow anymore. So i unsub once plunderstorm goes away. Maybe midnights fun and I try again

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:21 PM

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Quality spec development. Inform rogue community via a tweet that their hero ability has an animation. garf

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:22 PM

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"is supposed to have an animation"

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:22 PM

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pliant topaz i had a trial with a world 100 guild last tuesday, it went well and was fun. The...

Good for you. I’m teetering, but I really like my guild.

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I’m over rogue at this point.

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Having a taste of fun for a month to get shit on again. Nope no nadda.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Ive just been playing tft and league and its fun

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my goal is GM on both this year

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next year we go chally

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Damn, GM? Hell yeah, hope you do it, that's a big achievement

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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i hit 200lp masters last season on both

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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league?? fun???

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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im not too far off

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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holeEshit

keen dome Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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Nice

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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need like 250 more lp on both

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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crystal bone league?? fun???

its pretty fun idk

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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League is just a little too toxic for me

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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specially while u can duo for now

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:25 PM

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crystal bone league?? fun???

Assa players don’t get to dictate fun in here.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:26 PM

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hollow spear League is just a little too toxic for me

u can just mute people and play

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Yeah I know

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But it kinda feels bad to not communicate

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:26 PM

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lilac stag Assa players don’t get to dictate fun in here.

please remove the stick from ur ass

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:26 PM

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I’m genuinely happy for you @pliant topaz Now it’s time to cook, literally. cooking

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:26 PM

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FeelsOkayMan

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:27 PM

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But if it's fun for you that's great

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:27 PM

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hollow spear But it kinda feels bad to not communicate

eh, Ive learned communicating outside of ping just isnt good

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it slows down your tempo

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doesnt offer solutions

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and slows down your teams tempo

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:27 PM

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Yeah not too productive in general

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:28 PM

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i played a lot of league last year but sort of stopped when that anti cheat came out

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:28 PM

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And vc would end up like cod lobbies haha

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:28 PM

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over time i just got more frustrated with the game, i wish i didn't

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cuz it can be fun

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:28 PM

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lilac stag I’m genuinely happy for you <@639956635300790285> Now it’s time to cook, liter...

ty ty >3

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❤️

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:29 PM

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crystal bone please remove the stick from ur ass

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-oh-really-unimpressed-excuse-me-eyebrowraise-gif-7718827077361571528

Tenor

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Such an amazing slam. You’re the fucking coolest man.

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:29 PM

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ur judging me based on a name color

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we're all rogues here

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who cares

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:30 PM

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crystal bone over time i just got more frustrated with the game, i wish i didn't

Ive learned something pretty simple from my recent climb

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the gmae frustrates the fuck out of you

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if you look at your team mates plays/ performance

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:31 PM

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crystal bone ur judging me based on a name color

Nope. Judging based on your previous messages. Surebud

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judge my man having fun. Get judged.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:31 PM

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you need to only looks at yours, see what you coulda done better

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generally u win 33% of games without doiung anything

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u lose 33% with nothing u coulda done

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 PM

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lilac stag judge my man having fun. Get judged.

it was a joke

lilac stag Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 PM

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doggo time and chili cooking time.

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 PM

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then the other 33% u can impact the state of the game, u cna carry most of them. if u carry more than 50% of those 33% u turbo climb with good mmr

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to do that, u need to look at your performance, your impact, your decisions

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 PM

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pliant topaz then the other 33% u can impact the state of the game, u cna carry most of them....

yea that makes sense

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at the end of the day, it all took was for 1 in 20 games in a day to go south

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and then my mood was ruined the rest of the day

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even if the other 19 games were good

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kek

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:34 PM

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yeah and thats a pretty cmmon thing

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somehow league teaches u an important life lesson

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as weird as it sounds

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theres things in life yhou cant control

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if you get tilted cuz it rined 3 days in a row, youre gonna have a rough life

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teaches you even in life, you need to look at the decisions youre making, and how theyre impacting your life and situation

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:35 PM

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i'm more of a 1v1 competitor i think

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i played over 40 seasons of starcraft 2

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:36 PM

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another thing I learned from league climb, is that have 2 accounts. on my main if i lose 2 games in a row i swap to my other account and play for fun

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even if I dont think imtilted, when i go abck and look at my play after 2 losses, i notice im fucking up alot

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im playing more aggro than i should, taking more risk than I sould, and i dont notice it

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:36 PM

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yea thats one thing i never got around to doing was a 2nd account

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:37 PM

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either that or play norms

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basically 2 back to back losses and youre done for the day

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shrimple

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:39 PM

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i went back and forth between norms and ranked yea

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ladder anxiety also didn't help

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:40 PM

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Yeah kind of a weird thing your brain does

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:40 PM

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yeah ladder anxiety for me also came from me wanting to climb, instead of wanting to improve

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:40 PM

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Trying to make up for something in a previous game

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:40 PM

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specially when I got to d1 I was like oh masters spooky i dont wanna lose etcetc

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:41 PM

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Kinda senseless, but you tend to overcompensate and play worse

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:41 PM

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but then Im like, the goal is C1 not masters, i need to learn to get better, every game I play i can learn, so you play

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:41 PM

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Weird haha

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:41 PM

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yeah league straight up resembles life

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:41 PM

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yeah i definitely underform with pressure

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underperform*

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but oddly not in mythic raiding

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i guess thats more competitive pve rather than pvp

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:43 PM

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i think its because in raid you wipe then go again. u dont lose lp, your decisions dont really matter etc

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you pull 200 times u kill boss

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:43 PM

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yea

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if u wipe and lose elo

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imagine

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kek

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Completely unrelated question: how long does it take to get the debuff on silken?

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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What debuff

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Mark

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Like when you soak an orb?

hollow spear Jan 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Nah, at the beginning

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Oh a couple of seconds or so

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Like 1-2

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A lot of ranged go in and then out pretty much immediately

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:47 PM

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crystal bone imagine

yeah, also I think league is generally much harder and more stressful than pve raiding

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champs are harder to play optimally than any spec in wow

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its pvp so inherently its harder to play around people rather than a scripted fight

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and right now with how snowbally the game has become, a small mistake could instnatly lose u the game even 5 minutes in the game

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1 bad fight at grubs could instally be over, its really stressful whereas often even if u die u just get brezed

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 6:50 PM

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yea thats one thing ive noticed is its gotten pretty punishing

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:52 PM

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yeah its a double edge sword, if youre good you can abuse it, but also your team can throw more often outside of your control s eh

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:52 PM

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the cognitive load of league is also insane once you get to a certain level that wow could never touch

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like moment-to-moment

thick temple Jan 16, 2025, 6:53 PM

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some1 explain

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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theyre the other faction probably

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u cant whisper them

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or they blocked you

thick temple Jan 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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if im horde u cant whisper alliance wtf i thought he just shittalked and DC'd

swift tinsel Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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nope its gated

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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could be that too

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Only when inside the dungeon

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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but yeah^

rocky ocean Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Imagine responding to bait

hazy breach Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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But ye bro could just be missing his glasses too

thick temple Jan 16, 2025, 6:55 PM

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LMAO

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i called him bc he had 1 interrupt then i had to google if druids can interrupt just to be sure

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:56 PM

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swift tinsel the cognitive load of league is also insane once you get to a certain level that...

I agree, its really hard sometimes. I started vod reviewing pro games to see how the midlaners are playing, and its like, sometimes the decision makings are so hard, like I woulda never made that decision. what makes it harder is that theres no feedback fro you to learn. you cannot know if that deicison was good

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 6:56 PM

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thick temple i called him bc he had 1 interrupt then i had to google if druids can interrupt ...

They can. Just a very long CD

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:57 PM

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like i watched knight on LB vs G2, and he does a tp instead of pushing top, gets isntantly chunked, misses everything and W/ R-w's out and runs away. but if he hadnt tp'd maybe they would collapsed on his team. but also maybe not, mnaybe he coulda pressured top

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its hard to know

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 6:57 PM

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pliant topaz like i watched knight on LB vs G2, and he does a tp instead of pushing top, gets...

It’s different though in solo queue versus pro play, yeah?

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:57 PM

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wind canopy They can. Just a very long CD

1 minute isny very ong ot be fair

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i see druids often instnatly beaming the pack on pull and they say yteah i already interrupted sry cant help time to dps

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 6:58 PM

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pliant topaz 1 minute isny very ong ot be fair

Yeah, but compared to melee 15 seconds

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But yeah, that excuse isn’t acceptable for not kicking

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 6:58 PM

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wind canopy It’s different though in solo queue versus pro play, yeah?

oh yeah its really different, you really get to play aroud your strong side, like if your botside is stronger u can see both these mofos at grubz levle 5 while enemy adc at bot because they know they cant contest

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but in solo q im trying to play around my strong side and these motherfuckers are running it tjhe fuck down

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 6:59 PM

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One GCD for damage prevented

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:00 PM

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like I legit had to explain to my 160 LP masters garen toplane, that I infact will not be helping his 0/5 ass vs a 5/0 gwen as LB when the 4/0 enemy jungler is also sitting top. And that in fact I will be playing around my 12/2 bot side

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and then my adc said are you boosting his dumbass?

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cinema

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:01 PM

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pliant topaz but in solo q im trying to play around my strong side and these motherfuckers ar...

It seems like early game in solo queue, since that’ll get you ahead and build confidence in your teammates in you. But I’d be hesitant beyond that because of poor mid-late game decision making

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:01 PM

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it depends kinda, like most games end by 20-30 min mark

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so you dont really get to late game

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most games are just own through skrimishes and early mid pressure

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aerly game isnt as big as you think either, because 1 bad fight at an objective and its over

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ive thrown so many games like that, and Ive won so many games like that

thick temple Jan 16, 2025, 7:02 PM

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pliant topaz i see druids often instnatly beaming the pack on pull and they say yteah i alrea...

instead of donating to charity i kidney a cast and sacrifice an evisc

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:03 PM

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mashallah

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gods plan

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https://tenor.com/view/drake-god-plan-gif-11218778

Tenor

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:06 PM

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pliant topaz it depends kinda, like most games end by 20-30 min mark

Fair. Haven’t seen how fast solo w games have been going recently. I guess I was just referring to getting into fights they shouldn’t be or taking unnecessary risks with the info given

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:06 PM

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100% youre right

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the thing im seeing hte most right now even in GM lobbies is people taking fights theyre going to lose because its an objective fight

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like you can just pressure an objective and force them to respond and send like their toplaner to take it, which means they lose like 3 waves top, 2 waves mid, and 2 t2s

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but instead, the team forces a fight, loses all waves, the dragon, 4 kills, summs for free

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:08 PM

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Yup

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:08 PM

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as dopa (probably the greatest soloq player of all time) said, just play selfishly if your teams making these mistakes, make the correct play yourself

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it doesnt help if u die with them, take the tower, burn the waves

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:09 PM

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Yeah exactly

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King of macro

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:09 PM

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this seaosn i think im 2 tricking zed/akali

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i like the assassin theme and the ionia theme

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as well as their gameplays and the skill expression on both

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:10 PM

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Akali seems strong for the higher ELOs

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:11 PM

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theyre both really strong, and i prefer zed, but if we dont have a lot of AP im noticing my impact as zed is a lot less

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you get super punished by armor

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3 days ago I super tilted because I played 7 games (forced zed every game) and went against 4 malphite mids, 2 ksante mids, and a chogath mid

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Yup

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:11 PM

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won 5 but also wanted ot punch my monitor

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:13 PM

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Yeah

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Just seems scary to have AD mids only because of that

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:15 PM

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yea. Do you sitll play league/

crystal bone Jan 16, 2025, 7:16 PM

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zed is so badass

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i played jungle mostly

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:17 PM

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pliant topaz yea. Do you sitll play league/

I might get back into it again this season. Not playing as much soccer means need some competitive way scratch that itch

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:17 PM

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its fun, seasons kinda cool

wind canopy Jan 16, 2025, 7:18 PM

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Yeah, been following the changes. They definitely seem interesting

pliant topaz Jan 16, 2025, 7:18 PM

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also its pretty cool how season been out for like a week and we've had 3 patchnotes so far LOL