subtlety

[tribal blade]

"YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN STEALTH AND JUST WALK PAST EVERYTHING???"

i also fully leveled up lockpicking

which was not simple to do back in the day

and whenever i responded to people in /1 LF BRD

[keen dome]

Haha damn yeah it wouldn't be

[tribal blade]

"rogue, do you have lockpicking lvled?"

"yes"

insta invite

because BRD was so much faster with a rogue to open door

you could skip the bullshit at the start

[round latch]

yeah it was very big deal

[tribal blade]

bro the worst part

was losing gear to hunters

i used to lose my mind over that

"yo, that's leather"

"yeah but i can use it"

"yo, that's a dagger"

[round latch]

thats when i started to take notes of names

yup

[tribal blade]

"yeah but i can use it"

[round latch]

doesnt matter

hunter item

[tribal blade]

hunters legit stole everything

it was crazy

that was also the time you weren't relegated to 1 main stat

[round latch]

most vile lootwhore class back in vanilla

[tribal blade]

you could mix and match

yeah they were fucking awful

they even stole caster gear

"i use mana too"

[round latch]

yeah arcane shot build with staff

so cringe it was unreal

[tribal blade]

best part was fighting them

just stand in their dead zone

and laugh

while they panic

[round latch]

yup nothing they could do,rogues wouldnt lose to hunters easily

[tribal blade]

i think evasion lasted 15 secs back then too

only 50% miss to ranged and melee attacks, but i was enough

dude do you remember when BC dropped and we got step and cloak

[round latch]

we had riptose or premed/disarm traps

[tribal blade]

i miss disarm trap

[round latch]

yeah 😦

like hemo/assa hybrid ate hunters/wars/locks/mages for breakfast

rogue was so fun back then

nice memories

[tribal blade]

hemo build was so much fun

[round latch]

had thunderfury

[tribal blade]

i played hemo build for S2 of BC

in BGs

[round latch]

that was the most fun version of it

[tribal blade]

the combat builds were fun too

like going mace stun build

[round latch]

u generated so many cps and send eviss so fast

yup

[tribal blade]

did hemo cost like 35 energy or something

i remember it was low

[round latch]

yeah 35

[tribal blade]

considering how slow shit was back then

[round latch]

u could cheap shot hemox2 ks

[tribal blade]

yeah that was fast

[round latch]

with dirty deeds

[tribal blade]

i forgot about that

i wish they'd bring back stuff from then

like hemo

[round latch]

20 less energy cost on cs or sap

[tribal blade]

the original sub tree was very sub-like

[round latch]

u needed 1 tick on energy to do all that

yeah was pure love

love sub so much

[tribal blade]

that's the direction i'd like to see sub go in

being a very slippery spec

[round latch]

sub trully set the foundation of rogue being what it is

everything started from there

[tribal blade]

also backstab was completely different back then

the literal polar opposite button

[round latch]

and hurt so damn much

[tribal blade]

it still makes me crazy thinking about how shit backstab is now

[round latch]

yup

[tribal blade]

yeah you crit on someone and it would take like 1/3rd of their hp

the positioning requirement made sense because of gouge and it did nuclear damage

[keen dome]

I still think they should delete Backstab from PvE, make it a PvP thing, and make gloomblade baseline.

[tribal blade]

i agree

[round latch]

thats a very nice idea

[tribal blade]

gouge into backstab was like art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNHQ220s1C0&t=670s

one of my favorite vids from back then

[round latch]

or evasion tank the warrior on his full grandmarshal gear=>press expose armor=>vanish=>ambush+stab=>dead

[keen dome]

Haha

[tribal blade]

@keen dome watch this to see old school rogue

it was so much fun

[keen dome]

yeah, I've seen it before. It rules a ton

[tribal blade]

nice 🙂

dude i miss when people ahd this much passion for the game

[keen dome]

I'm not sure why I thought doing Firelands TW on christmas eve (or day for some!) was a good idea.

[tribal blade]

people still have passion now, but it's different

it's more competitive

[keen dome]

I think it's just how the times have changed in general. The internet, social culture, etc.

[tribal blade]

instead of just having pure adrenaline filled joy

[keen dome]

Everything is a lot more understood, organized and ultimately, exploited.

[tribal blade]

cold blood was actually a banger talent back then too

[round latch]

being on ventrilo trying to wipe guilds on azuregos by stunning the tank or blinding healers

😂

[keen dome]

Another idea for backstab. GLoomblade is our baseline builder. We generate Find Weakness with abilities and consume them to do a massive backstab crit (don't do this blizz it's a terrible idea)

[tribal blade]

haha so much of that stuff

[tribal blade]

the main issue i see with that is it gives us more key binds (maybe?)

but i ilike the idea of backstab doing a huge hit

[keen dome]

You could make Evis or something become Backstab at X stacks or something

But I like the thematic shift of FW being a thing and we explouit it to do a backstab, How is this different from SecTec and stuff? Who knows

[round latch]

i think FW should be baseline for Sub and this spec should rly have an avatar button

also it should stack way more dmg if it presses dance back to back

like 1st dance 10% 2nd 20% 3rd 30%

thats how u make sub a true horror

[tribal blade]

this is the passion for the spec i wish the devs had

if i wake up tomorrow to huge rogue notes i'll be super happy

hopefully spriest and brewmaster also gets stuff

[void hound]

its like this ninja turtle meme

[round latch]

what meme

[void hound]

this one

[keen dome]

I'd like to see either them do something with backstab (It's a boring builder button and isn't purple) or more into clones. I do think Sub is in a really good spot if we ignore the bugs right now. Just some small adjustments outside of bug fixing to really put us into overdrive.

[void hound]

im ready for the full zed shadow clone rework

(its never gonna happen)

[keen dome]

Also happy christmas to the rogues celebrating it today. I hope you have a very nice day.

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna open a present and a miniature rogue is gonna pop out and backstab me in the face, i feel it

[void hound]

good thing backstab does no damage

[sick jackal]

Id like to see them doing something

Even if they nerf backstab

At this point the satisfaction of existing is okay with me

[keen dome]

Renamed it to 'ackstab' because it makes you go "Ack!" instead of "Ow" with how little damage it does.

[sick jackal]

Wait backstab is supposed to do damage?

Isnt it the gain combo point button

[keen dome]

It could always do less damage

[sick jackal]

Would any1 even care

Its like %70 nerf to back stab probs wont even %0.00001 for us

%70 of 0 is 0 aswell

[fallow nimbus]

Make gloomblade baseline and for nostalgic reasons it happens at lvl 31 or something

Until 31 it's backstab

[twilit phoenix]

I want a sub rework, but it’s just new sounds for abilities

Tom and jerry sounds

Like anvils falling, horns honking

[patent crystal]

I want a 1,5min trinket next tier

[twilit phoenix]

Enough classes have 1.5 min cycles that it would make sense to put it in

[random mason]

You can just make weakauras for that no?

[charred kestrel]

Best they can do is a 3 min trinket

[sick jackal]

Even better

Lets nerf blades and flag ti 3 min

[hazy breach]

Not for agi

[charred kestrel]

Eh as long as this is good idc.

Wait nvm, in my sickly haze, I thought you just procced explosions when you crit

[hazy breach]

Its 60s cd

Doesnt line up that well

[random mason]

It's just 30s of crit buff every 60s

I'll use it if it visually explodes

[surreal yew]

There's a guide for pvp ?

[lilac stag]

#pvp

[fallow nimbus]

A 1.5min trinket for all 3 stats should be mandatory

Imagine no 2min trinket. I bet it would take max 1 week and one of them is 2min

[hearty girder]

When do oyu guys use Shuriken TOrnado

[plush roost]

If talented for some reason, when the tank is gathering pack to spread rupture

or between dances

avoid during SoD at all times

[lilac stag]

You talent out of it and never look back

[hearty girder]

To what?

[lilac stag]

TFD if you don’t have it

[hearty girder]

What's that

[lilac stag]

The First Dance

[hearty girder]

Need to get to flag

[alpine wraith]

you always take first dance

instead of tornado get vt

to go down

[lilac stag]

you still get flag

[hearty girder]

I've been playing without first dance all this tiem in M+

[lilac stag]

congrats

[hearty girder]

and I've been using shuriken tornado inside SD

[lilac stag]

yeah no

Tornado is fucking useless

[gaunt stag]

Guys a silly question and probably got asked a lot, I just started my journey as a sub rogue in pve. I did a key +11 stonevault recently and for the 1st pull there do you guys use blackpowder or Eviscerate ? sometimes i feel blackpowder is weak but i could be wrong, much help is appreciated!

[hearty girder]

well the difference between having first dance was huge, atl east on dummies

[lilac stag]

In a pure ST fight TFD is better than that row up until about a 4 min fight. So in m+ you just need like 3-4 resets of TFD and its miles ahead.

I’m assuming some streamer trying sub though shitnado was a good idea

[gaunt stag]

This is my gear and run damage details

[hearty girder]

nah I copied this build from wowhead

[lilac stag]

Have you read wowhead or icyviens guide?

[hearty girder]

a while ago

Didn't have the first dance

for m+

now it does

weird

[lilac stag]

you should start there. And ability use will change based on hero talents

[hearty girder]

fuu deliberately putting shit talent

susge

[gaunt stag]

Yes sir

[lilac stag]

then you have your answer

[gaunt stag]

so above 5 adds blackpowder

under Evisc

even when flawless form is up?

[lilac stag]

again depends on hero talents

[lilac stag]

Tricky you fire off BP at 5

You should have the first dance as a talent

[gaunt stag]

Its better than Weaponmaster?

most of the sub rogues are playing Weaponmaster tho

from what i've seen

[lilac stag]

WM is shit

[alpine wraith]

well doing less dps does not mean they are playing badly

they are playing sub after all so they are already farming Ls

[lilac stag]

All the Ls

[alpine wraith]

i mean dont get me wrong tfd has some annoying things

like sometimes taking longer than 6 secs to reset

or having to wait a bit

but it is worth

trust

[lilac stag]

Sub is a spec about having patience.

[gaunt stag]

yeah that i understand

after 5 days of playing it

waiting for everything to align is a pain in the butt

[lilac stag]

TFD tests that

[gaunt stag]

but boy oh boy when they align

and its pretty fun spec to play

[alpine wraith]

if you are curious you can watch some of my runs even they are weekly 10s

[gaunt stag]

im having so much fun

[alpine wraith]

you will see me just chillin

[gaunt stag]

i watched them all

i copied your whole rotations in dungeons

xD

[alpine wraith]

eleem is a better player if you want high lvl things

[lilac stag]

Eleem has stuff up as well I think

[gaunt stag]

and you are a lovely dude!

eleem has that player io window block his spell rotation xD

on his UI

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[gaunt stag]

never knew sub rogue had such big ST potential honestly

was surprising to me

[lilac stag]

that’s why we make fun of assa rogues and their small peepee boss deeps

[gaunt stag]

i went into mythic raid and i beat a 636 assa rogue with my 621 ilvl i was so happy 🙂

[lilac stag]

They afk?

[sick jackal]

Maybe its a spoiler for us they make blades and flag 1 min now

or nerf blades to 2 min and flag back to 1 min

[alpine wraith]

that would be funny but stronger on some aspects

[round latch]

1min sblades

too stronk to exist

[sick jackal]

Tbh thinking about it shadow dance is still 1 min

Since wotlk

I know we got cdr but it feels really weired

[round latch]

make sblades benefit from cdr

[sick jackal]

Like they are designing the spec with cdr in mind for some reason and not just dropping the cd of the button

[sick jackal]

God no

[round latch]

well if there is a way to allign them naturally they have to benefit just the same

[sick jackal]

Life would be better if they just make dance 20 secs

[round latch]

20sec sounds wild ngl 😄

[sick jackal]

Or make it 30 secs and make our buttons do damage outside of dance

But then it murders the class identity

[round latch]

that would make it veyr powerful since dance always taps into more amps

also more linear profile

its how you outlaw the sub rogue pretty much

[sick jackal]

Yeah thats why my first idea was the 20sec shadowdance

Flavour wise if they remove the dmg amps and cook them to only stealth abilities spec would be so fun tho

Like imagine we get a stealth only finisher

[round latch]

we pressed sectech only in dance and only after DM stacks for a while like a smol nuke type of thang anyway

practically the same

but i get what u mean

[mint moon]

are there any fights in raid right now where its like Sub is just objectively the best spec to play? or nah?

[left ledge]

No

Sub isn’t the best on any boss

[round latch]

[serene notch]

Sub is always the best dps on all bosses…..for the first min of the fight 😏

[plush roost]

Well you say that but my Sin openers go quite big

[lilac stag]

You’re playing sub wrong if you’re not blasting past the ass rogue in the opener

[round latch]

there arent many specs that burst higher than sub

maybe 1-2

[lilac stag]

Pi Unholy keeps up again.

[round latch]

UH always kept up iirc

external is huge for it as well

there are boomies and locks

those burst pretty hard

[lilac stag]

ye

[round latch]

boomies do some ridiculous burst

silly how high they go

also shammies

[swift tinsel]

I think our boomie is the only one who's almost keeping up on opener

which is funny bc they've been crying so hard about being dead all xpac

[round latch]

boomies all that do is cry

forever

since i can remember

[left ledge]

enh shaman is the only thing that bursts higher

spec made for the brain damaged

no reason any spec should be bursting 12 million in the opener

but oh well

[lilac stag]

I’m still kinda ok seeing enhancers actually playing. Feels like forever since they were wanted / existed.

[dry plank]

they were always playing wdym?

[worn ivy]

yo bois

am i tripping or my evis charges the target sometimes

[lilac stag]

that’s coup

Stay in melee range

[worn ivy]

yes thatrs the problem

i had to dodge orb

and i move away

and spam evis after running away while dogging

run into orb

yikes

[uneven scarab]

ya when u have coup up u gotta be careful

[lilac stag]

No spammy

[graceful terrace]

so is fathomdwellers just unobtainable?

[alpine wraith]

nope just a bit buggy

[lilac stag]

try getting it on an alt if you have one, or try shard hopping.

[teal night]

Dumb question In +5 target are we using Shadow strike as a builder or SS when we are in dance ?

[lilac stag]

Strike then storm then strikes

[teal night]

So like strike -BP - storm -BP - strike- BP etc..

Just trying to improve my rotation for certain situations

[worn ivy]

what is the reason we using SB after sec tech ?

[tepid trellis]

Sectech doesent work with it + to not waste premed

[lilac stag]

Strike > Sectech > Storm (2nd rotten charge) > bp or coup > strike > finish.

It’s all in the guides

What you do out of dance is whatever

[teal night]

thanks!

[worn ivy]

wait

can you hit me with aoe opener

trickster btw

[tepid trellis]

its pretty much the same as single target depending on the target count

[worn ivy]

5 T

[tepid trellis]

you just consume the 2nd rotten with storm for FW on everything

[worn ivy]

listen brother

imagine SND up yea

i do like SS-flag-transmitter-rupture - dance symbols cb sectech - ss - evis

[tepid trellis]

build to 5+ flag-Rupture-all of your cds including trinket-strike-sectech-storm-evis

[worn ivy]

why after sech tech is storm ?

[plush roost]

Find weakness spread

[tepid trellis]

Rotten 2nd charge

to spread FW to everything

[plush roost]

And yes, the second charge because storm will eat both if u use it first

[tepid trellis]

yep

[worn ivy]

nice tank you

do you press SS

in ST

aswell ?

i mean storm

[plush roost]

No

[worn ivy]

oki,

[gilded kelp]

is it good for using cb on second sd window while flag active

for using 30 flag buff

[vestal escarp]

Merry submas

[tepid trellis]

yes, you basically always just use it on the 2nd dance inside of cds

for max stack flag sectech

[wind canopy]

Like a 0.5% gain or something

[old shale]

In the rotation why don't we use blades before CB secret tech? Don't we lose out on 20% dam?

[hazy breach]

No because blades doesnt work on secret

[old shale]

oh wtf

does it not work on finishers or only secret tech

[hazy breach]

Sectech and nimble flurry

[sick jackal]

Love to see that my big dmg amp doesnt work on my big burst button

[tepid trellis]

[worn ivy]

broooos what is this

i simmed 5T 5min fight

and why is my sim using black powder on 5T

[hazy breach]

What

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

summon fuu why is my sim using black powder on 5t

also what is thisq

opener pot flag evis vanish ss rupture symbols dance no CB on oepenr no SB

than using blades before sec tech

this is not accurte i thnink

[hazy breach]

It is

It uses BP on 5t because its better

Using cb on second sectech is better

Blades doesnt work on sectech, so holding it until after is better

I would recommend reading the guides rather than the simc cast log

[ashen crest]

does anyone have a working mouseover macro for shadowstep? can't seem to get my macro right for it

[twilit phoenix]

What does your current macro look like?

Should just be /cast [target=mouseover]

[ashen crest]

sorry was bio'ing
ive tried a few variations to prioritize mouseover over current target -

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,exists][exists] Shadowstep

#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/cast [@mouseover] Shadowstep
/targetlasttarget

[tall sonnet]

just curious, deathstalker is better for single target, but trickster kinda feels nicer to me. Is trickster viable for myth raiding or should i use DS

[hazy breach]

Trick is fine

Its like 2.5% behind

[tall sonnet]

ty

[plush roost]

#assassination message

Whispyr helped me trouble shoot it last week, use this one

It'll prio mousover but if you're holding rightclick it will still shadowstep your current target

/cast [@mouseover, exists][] Shadowstep

[tribal blade]

i finish off the year with the last bis item i needed

[vestal escarp]

E.T. radio home

[tribal blade]

ET gonna suck this trinket's dick

(respectfully)

[vestal escarp]

📻

[rocky basin]

mm how do you guys feel avout a 626 transmitter vs a 639 skardyns

im getting varied results when i sim

m+

[lilac stag]

2m is awkward af unless you’re holding for a specific dmg amp phase

idk how you’re simming but there’s not really a world where skar is going to win in m+

[rocky basin]

it does feel awkward af

i dont have a transmitter and ive been using skardyns

so i was trying to sim to see i f even a heroic transmitter would be better

than a 639 skardyin since

[lilac stag]

An lfr would be better

[rocky basin]

im not gonna clear

mythic nerub

[lilac stag]

or you end up just running assa.

Basically every 2 min (racial or trinket) turns into a 3 min cooldown.

[rocky basin]

assa hella boring

[rocky ocean]

sub at the same time

[rocky basin]

its not purely a rotational thing either right obv

the dmg profile is different, the access to on demand burst etc

[rocky ocean]

it's pseudo on demand really

[jaunty heath]

Wow outside cds a full cd spec isn’t insane gameplay? Who would’ve guessed damn

You opened my eyes with this one

[lilac stag]

[rocky basin]

okay dude, you got me. they are essentially the same spec spelled differently, they are so diametrically unopposed that the differences are purey illusory

idk what you want me to tell ya

[jaunty heath]

No I just love how he pulls a builder spender sequence outside of cds because someone said sin is boring

When you can open a sin timeline IN CDS

And it does the same thing it does outside of cds

If someone brings up using shiv I’ll blow up

Not to say sin has its min maxes and whatever, not even saying sin is easy

But that screenshot with that sentence really got me rethinking the thought process some people go through

[rocky ocean]

that's just a screenshot lol

[jaunty heath]

lol

[rocky basin]

yeah youre making psuedo-inferences

[jaunty heath]

How is that a pseudo inference what

[lilac stag]

I love when the red names invade the sub channel. Almost as much fun as the yellow.

lad comes in looking for help, gets it then shit goes sideways.

Play nice everyone.

[tribal blade]

ANGER

SO ANGER

[wind harness]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

the argument is as you're doing that rotation you're watching like 4-5 different cds to figure out what to do next that all cool down at different rates

also purposefully cutting out sectec and rupture casts, shame on you

[pliant topaz]

Bro I’m drunk af in a Christmas party why y’all mad

Be gladge! It’s the holidays!

[proper fulcrum]

Armin enjoy the party my friend why are you on discord

[lilac stag]

Cause he’s drunk

[wind canopy]

[lilac stag]

This doesn’t fit my narrative. Storm - BP x infinity.

[tribal blade]

ANNNNNGGGERRRRR

[tribal blade]

merry christmas!

[tribal blade]

true nobody can argue with BP spam

[rocky basin]

sarcasm, from above

[spark tusk]

[wind canopy]

[prime glen]

aside from "simming it", off the cuff... what would you guys recommend if you had a choice: 626 heroic items of the mythic bis pieces (belt, boots, neck, etc.) or... do you think 636 crafteds in place of them. just off the top of your head, what do you think

[short radish]

636 > 626

[prime glen]

thank you

[short radish]

someone can check the math on it

[wind canopy]

636 is a bigger number than 626.

[prime glen]

haha

[pliant topaz]

Merry Christmas bro hope you have a banger holiday

[short radish]

!ilvl

basically ilvl > stats

except for maybe jewelery

but you can choose those stats anyway

so ilvl> stats

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah you too

[prime glen]

i guess i'm worried about the stats of the versatility being sooo much higher on the other pieces, but then again... most ppl gemming for the mastery vers ones with the mastery being higher

[short radish]

doesnt matter

[prime glen]

figured

[short radish]

10 ilvls of agi makes up for it

[prime glen]

thats true

thats what i was leaning towards, thanks brother

and happy holidays everyone

[short radish]

no wokkas

[tribal blade]

i never worry about getting more vers because it means more DR

[short radish]

merry christmas to you too

yeah

DR is nice

[prime glen]

thats true

lol

[short radish]

also as always the answer should be to sim yourself

you can do a droptimiser sim

for crafted gear

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-cat-gif-23091665

[hybrid prism]

Merry Christmas bros! Absolutely pumped for my wife and son to open gifts! I went in this year!

[teal prawn]

why is this spec so fun now

[pliant topaz]

i hope you have an amazing holiday too LE ❤️ actually i hope everyone does wooo!

[pliant topaz]

❤️ merry christmas bud

[wind canopy]

Because you’ve been playing sin for too long

[teal prawn]

maybe

[formal helm]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[round latch]

im starting to feel the love,u must have drunk a bit too much

😂

merry xmas to you too my man

[pliant topaz]

oh yeah very much so

[tribal blade]

is it really TOO much or the optimal amount

[round latch]

😉

[sharp kernel]

How long do you have to be out of combat for first dance?

is it 10 seconds

[round latch]

4 iirc

its used in pvp as well

[sharp kernel]

4 seconds?

[round latch]

yeah

[round latch]

im like 95% certain its 4

ah its 6

cool

[sharp kernel]

Oh bet

ty

[wind canopy]

It’s on the talent.

[sharp kernel]

Thanks for reading for me

[round latch]

yeah im not logged atm,at work

[wind canopy]

np.

[sharp kernel]

appreciate it

[round latch]

cheers

[round latch]

ty :3

[wind canopy]

[spark tusk]

It's also a buff on your character, you don't have to count or anything, you just get a countdown buff when you leave combat and then another buff once it fades

[drowsy moon]

Does anyone here do any log reviews

[keen dome]

A christmas miracle: a good vault. Also merry second christmas to people who do it today and not yesterday.

[lilac stag]

It’s technically 6. At times combat glitches so it takes a bit longer.

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[drowsy moon]

!log

[vale pine]

nice, gz

[tribal blade]

huge!

i spent this morning before opening my vault saying to myself "don't expect a transmitter it's not going to drop don't expect a transmitter it's not going to drop don't expect a transmitter it's not going to drop don't expect a transmitter it's not going to drop"

[clever delta]

Ez, i got Queen mandate on rogue today 😄

[tribal blade]

dude everyone's getting bis items today

i think they unironically gave everyone a higher chance to get bis items this reset or something

someone in my guild got spymasters

i got transmitter

our ele went enhance for vault and got fist wep

[keen dome]

Fucking rad hell yeah

I got a Myth trinket too, but it was the Dawnbreaker gem trinket. Which, for my level and area of play, is basically the best possible trinket I can hope for.

[tribal blade]

oh shit that's a good trink

i still regret taking contract over that

i did it really compulsively, and then after when i looked up our bis list and did a sim i was like "...what have i done..."

[lilac stag]

I ran one key and got the ver/mastery hood. Actually have to do content now for socket.

[tribal blade]

oh shit huge!

everyone's getting good shit

[lilac stag]

Warrior didn’t, but that’s ok

[keen dome]

🙏

[keen dome]

Yeah. I've been using the Heroic variant since the season began, so finally gettingi t on myth is rad. I'm down to one hero piece (gloves) and one lol piece (normal transmitter)

[grim prawn]

do you guys think were getting another assassination tier?

i really grew to dislike the spec, dont want it to be the strongest again

[rocky ocean]

Depends on their new tier set

[tribal blade]

might be because sub so far does not have a 1.5 min trinket like transmitter

but if the devs decide to bless us rogues with changes (lol) maybe we see sub get enough meaningful updates that makes us very strong

[round latch]

my money is probably on sub next tier

sin will remain good,sub is going nuclear

[tribal blade]

right now sub has a better 4pc than sin

hopefully they rework the melee 2 pc because it's doo doo dog poopy

not a single melee is happy with winning streak

[round latch]

i have faith

[tribal blade]

i think it's highly likely because it's what, ~1/4 of the entire player base has to play with it

slightly more actually, more like 1/3rd

and right now the way it reads, it sounds like complete ass

[round latch]

idk who writes them kits

[tribal blade]

yeah like all the others are great

[round latch]

bro needs a heads up

[tribal blade]

and then melee's is SO bad

we're just lucky that they decided to do role based 2pc

so the dogshit one will get iterated on no doubt

i would be happy enough if they decided to make it so the bonus was decreased, but now you only lose 1-2 stacks instead of the entire thing

[keen dome]

Hopefully it's first public draft and then they'll adjust them with feedback.

[tribal blade]

it's super early notes so 100% they'll change it

it would be really weird for them to double down on it when i know for a fact nobody is happy with it

[keen dome]

Yeah. I think it could be a fun experiment. Just need to actually make it one and not double down

[vestal escarp]

Bro dont bait me i need ansurek ring or myth crystal

[tribal blade]

prayer circle for you

[round latch]

best i can give you is hero track knife with avoidance

(joking ofc)

merry xmas

[pastel rampart]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

with a lot of haste?

[lilac stag]

Fuu playing the role of the grinch

[vale pine]

i still have not figured out the appeal of the movie

[lilac stag]

Watch the original / the kids book.

The 2000 version is mid at best

[vale pine]

i watched the original

[alpine wraith]

the appeal was your brain was not developed

so anything was cool

[vale pine]

[lilac stag]

That describes class discords as well

[plush roost]

jim carrey version

is kinda goated tho

[lilac stag]

The kittens were so obnoxious last night trying to help get gifts & food ready for today. Was about ready to lock them in the bathroom. ☃️

[round latch]

bruh ritual knife

cant rly drop my buddy that low

delve trinket

merry xmas btw

[vale pine]

merry christmas too

[silent ruin]

is there some bug with flagellation cast point ? often i realise midway through shadowblades that my flagellation didn't register

[plush roost]

dont think so

You have it macroed to transmitter? are you getting too excited and moving to grab it before actually casting flag?

Just need to be melee afaik

[silent ruin]

yes macroed to transmitter

[plush roost]

Perhaps pressing the macro while youre still on gcd and seeing transmitter pop up assuming flag casted perhaps?

[silent ruin]

right

that's probably what's happening

[plush roost]

ik ive done that before lmfao

[silent ruin]

wow so i have to literally cast it when im off gcd ?

or spam press it ?

[plush roost]

well ya, every spell needs to be not locked by gcd, except like tea and cb

its like pressing evis/strike/w.e takes a global

[silent ruin]

ok thanks !

[fossil dove]

Blame zacs ui, it flashes crazy colors when you pop tornado and counts down with color changes

[vale pine]

its fine, if you like it, great

does not make it less outdated as a spell

[lilac stag]

Typical outlaw player.

[lilac stag]

Un-macro it

that’s causing your hiccup.

[silent ruin]

yeah thinking of that, thanks

[lilac stag]

especially in raid, pop trinket prepull

Easier way to try to get best alignment with Sectech

[keen dome]

popping trinket prepull is something that took me far too long to start doing

[vale pine]

i have my trinket bound to flag

can just press flag pre pull too

(you are not in range of the boss, so you don't use flag)

[lilac stag]

I’m on my anti-macro arc.

[vale pine]

not using macros is a benefit overall because you have the highest control

[fossil dove]

Nah I played outlaw for like 1 month I'm sin main

I revel in the boredom!

[leaden prairie]

Well

I literally stole that tornado weak aura

From whatever I don't remember

First result on wagio probably

I hate the spell so much I didn't bother making something for it

[lilac stag]

I think I hate tornado more than the RS bug.

[round latch]

nado feels so bad

[lilac stag]

RS is the surprise hahah fuck you. Tornado you’re intentionally pushing pain.

[round latch]

nado feels irrelevant to this version of sub

idk might be wrong but even if it didnt exist i wouldnt notice

[lilac stag]

Fits in with most of subs talents on the island of irrelevancy.

My Christmas wish is that a nice long blue post for rogues shows up after holiday with some fun changes.

[keen dome]

Also poison toggle.

[dawn hinge]

tinfoil hat and all, but i got fist on enh and double ovinax trinket on feral and rogue

• sureki neck option

[small hemlock]

would you use thunderlord or stormbringer on court?

[fossil dove]

Yeah my alt feral has transmitter and mandate

But my mains couldn't get if they tried

[fossil dove]

Maybe when I have played sub for more than 15 keys I will start hating it too

[dry plank]

No

[dry plank]

No at all

[leaden prairie]

Ye but nado you can just not talent it

Rs bug you have no choice

Actual plague

Can't wait for rogue devs to wake up from vacation

It's been a while

[lilac stag]

pmuch

[fallow nimbus]

Bug fixes would be huge

[spark tusk]

looking forward to a crimbus miracle

[vale pine]

but krampus isn't a nice guy

[fallow nimbus]

Maybe it's time to stop being the nice rogues that we are

[silver yarrow]

why cold blood and not subterfuge?

i get, that we want to crit with techniques, but perma invis seems worth

[hazy breach]

Its not perma invis or perma stealth

Its +6s seconds of being able to use shadowstrike instead of backstab, which is not worth a whole lot

[silver yarrow]

but its also 6 seconds of insta full cp for finishing move spam no ?

[small juniper]

jannik bro, it isnt worth it

[hazy breach]

Its not insta full cp

Its literally only strikes instead of backstab for 6s after vanish/on pull

Nothing else

[small hemlock]

is cold blood bugged?

[lilac stag]

No

Unless

You have played or specced

Fatebound Assa

reload and/or restart

[small hemlock]

ffs

that is it

just keeps saying spell not learnt

[molten citrus]

It’s because you’re in the new zone maybe?

[small hemlock]

nah i was in raid

[molten citrus]

I’ve heard that cold blood doesn’t work sometimes on the island because it’s considered BFA

[small hemlock]

nah its not working

i cant macro it

i relogged thank you

[pliant topaz]

pretty sure it also was bugged (didnt work on evis)

but idk if its fixed

[real panther]

I see sins going 10M dps on multi during m+.. I think we need a rework like rupture spread on all target with storm eg x)

[lilac stag]

If you use it on Evis you deserve to have it not work.

[lilac stag]

And they do no dmg to bosses. Fuck that

[real panther]

I hate that blizzard create artificial gaps between specs

[hazy breach]

Sub can also do that

[real panther]

screenshot

[hazy breach]

Its not that much worse than assa

[real panther]

or didnt happend

[wind canopy]

I know there was a stream of Kush doing like 15 mil with DS sub in SV and that was before the buffs came in BP with 11.0.7

[real panther]

wtf. using bp?

[wind canopy]

Yes.

[real panther]

xD

[small juniper]

anyone else have ovinax simming higher than void thing now

@hazy breach ?

[hazy breach]

Sure

[small juniper]

gna have to report u to the mods for that answer

[vestal escarp]

Incubator

[hazy breach]

I mean they simmed about the same before

Ring might make it sim more, idk

[wind canopy]

I reported you for terrible Details font btw

[hazy breach]

It is what it is

[wind canopy]

[vestal escarp]

Just make the pull last less than 14s

[real panther]

how

show me talent, rotation, penis

forget about the last one

[vestal escarp]

Only if foreskin

[real panther]

DS?

[lilac stag]

People sleep on sub

[hazy breach]

N o

[lilac stag]

playing too much assa and their brains rot

[real panther]

bp spam?

[lilac stag]

n O

[real panther]

paint?

[hazy breach]

https://youtu.be/K8nOkFI3hds?si=M1a0ZO0aT-C3yv_t

[small juniper]

much brainpower to focus on this shit

[hazy breach]

Yeah

[real panther]

ty

[small juniper]

but its just better in aoe

isnt the void contract st only

[hazy breach]

Ye

But i have 626 ritual knife

[small juniper]

is that good

[hazy breach]

Ye

[small juniper]

i havent done 1 delve

[night sluice]

how do I remove my subtlety - trickster role?

[vestal escarp]

Unreact where you reacted

Shoul be last pin

Or first

[night sluice]

I looked but I have only reacted for assassination

[vestal escarp]

Pins of this channel

[night sluice]

oh

[teal prawn]

I tried some ds last night and how does it just feel that much worse?

[vestal escarp]

Cause it's baseline sub with just some crit and some shadow dmg

[teal prawn]

I like the thematic idea of DB and finality seems cool but idk plays worse

[hazy breach]

Finality just numerically weak

Unfortunately

[teal prawn]

db gotta be my favorite talent in the tree

[real panther]

you lied to me! the 13m pack was about bp!

[vestal escarp]

Well nimble is capped

[real panther]

yes

thanks for the tips @hazy breach

[vale pine]

finality would need a small buff numerical

[fossil dove]

What's the game plan for our rotation on packs where we don't have CDs for 8-10 seconds of the pull or say before a boss or pack we want to hold CDs for. Is spreading ruptures worth, or what do we do to not lose in DPS to the tank without cds

[lilac stag]

8-10 seconds is like 3 abilities

Storm and rupture

[wind canopy]

Rupture spread

[lilac stag]

you won’t have energy for much else

[fossil dove]

We always spread ruptures on start of a pack before CDs?

[elder yarrow]

Maybe a noob question. Is death stalker viable in m+.

[vale pine]

it is viable in m+

trickster just seems overall a bit better

[elder yarrow]

Thank you

[wind canopy]

You spread while they're being gathered. But once they're togther, you just fire CDs

[fossil dove]

10-4 good copy

[thick temple]

Sometimes I try to do this but I end up taking aggro of what's being gathered. Is my tank being weird or am I doing too much? I thought the general rule is to not swing until everything's gathered for ex first pull of arak

[wind canopy]

This shouldn't be an issue if you're playing trickster.

I mean, even without trickster, you have Tricks.

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

yo i found a mindless farm

just literally run around underwater in the siren isle looting chests

being on the seabed floor lets you run, and it's buffed by stuff like shadow runner and fade to nothing

[fallow nimbus]

Can it farm me the torrential runekey? Shit doesn't drop at all

[wind harness]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[wind harness]

Would you waste 1-2 secs of symbols to sc sectech?

e.g here

[rocky ocean]

your screenshot doesn't waste 1-2 secs of symbols

do you mean: "would you hold sec tec for 2 sec for the symbols?"

[wind harness]

Yeah

oh no

I mean

Would you use symbols two secs earlier so sectech is sc'ed?

wasting 2 secs of symbols buff

[rocky ocean]

doesn't it have pandemic

[wind harness]

i assume simc is using it in pandemic

[pliant topaz]

Seems like a mistake to me, can you send the link? I’ll look at the apl and see what’s making it sectech before sod

If you’re taking supercharger, you should always make sure sectech is on a supercharger

[wind harness]

I will try to find it

But i did lot of sims 😄

well found another

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mMKTYYLkp68j8Hba8hLNvq

[rocky ocean]

damn, robot is cooking

[wind harness]

uhm must be something easy to spot

it always happens around 1:45

i didnt play sub since SL so no idea how apl did change

[wind harness]

should be that line

actions+=/variable,name=secret,value=buff.shadow_dance.up|(cooldown.flagellation.remains<40&cooldown.flagellation.remains>20&talent.death_perception)

there is no check for either symbols or sc

just send when dance is up and flag cd check

[pliant topaz]

Yes but shadow dance shouldn’t be activated without said

If you check dance line it’s dependant on sod

[wind harness]

Also for some reason after using rupture at opener i can't send dance+symbols instantaneously. I have to press dance 2/3 times so it casts

Not sure why, its a bit weird

Tried different bindings

[rocky ocean]

sim uses symbols at 1:34 which should last 10 seconds, but they are still up at 1:45

or I miss something

[dry zodiac]

Inevitability

The CB sec tech is still covered by the previous SoD because it’s extended by Inev. It doesn’t need to cast sod early or delay ST

[pliant topaz]

You might have a macro that has a cast sequence in it

[wind harness]

I think its something related to sending and input from a mouse and a keyboard at the same time

I have symbols on a button of my mouse and dance on Q (keyboard)

using both at the same time triggers a small delay not sure why

[tribal blade]

maybe pressing the mouse button and Q at the same time the game tries to hit something else you keybound to that

[wind harness]

e.g here, at second 8 I press "Q" which is dance + symbols and only symbols is casted

both inputs are registered in the computer but not in wow

[wind harness]

Uhm thats a good idea

[tribal blade]

i've had similar issues happen in the past

[wind harness]

I've tried different bindings and i have still the same issue

It seems related to how wow manages special mouse buttons, interesting

[tribal blade]

oh i actually have had that issue

i have set focus on a mouse button, and sometimes it won't work when i press it

have to press it 2-3 times

but it's not a seriously bad button for that to happen

[wind harness]

I just remapped all mouse buttons to my keyboard and now works fine

god i've had this issue since SL

[hollow spear]

What I've seen raidbots do (which I thought wasn't supposed to happen) was sending sectech without sc

Should that happen? Or does it calculate that it won't come back up for the next big CD lineup if it doesn't send it immediately?

[pliant topaz]

it looks when flag is coming up

if its like 30 seconds ish away , and its not deciding to dance/sod but sectech is up, it will send a naked sectech

[hazy breach]

The one livet posted is more interesting, should probably add something to allow it to use symbols 0.5-1s earlier if sectech is ready

Feels like supercharging the sectech has to be worth more than 0.5s of symbols uptime

[alpine wraith]

yea macros are weird

also the naked sec tech is something you can do yea if cdr is enough

[round latch]

brothers send help,relatives about to storm my place

[keen dome]

Shadow dance into vanish

[round latch]

im F'd there is so much rain i cant even leave and go somewhere

10 hours from my life with relatives

[lilac stag]

replicating shadow bug on repeat

[keen dome]

groundhog day but it's the RS bug

[hollow spear]

Necroing an old picture (like a week or so), because it's kinda related

Here it sends a sectech as 3rd finisher after sod, which doesn't really fit into the current approach. Or am I tripping?

[wind harness]

I forced sec to be casted with sc and was almost neutral so i guess its at least a small gain to hardcast symbols in that case

[vestal escarp]

the site that shows title range class pop?

[lilac stag]

It maybe a fight length dependent thing where you’re able to get one extra cast in.

which, if it is, good luck figuring that out in real time

[twilit phoenix]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

Mind sharing what you changed? Just wanted to poke at it

[wind harness]

iirc was only this

actions+=/variable,name=secret,value=((buff.supercharge_1.up|buff.supercharge_2.up)|(cooldown.symbols_of_death.charges=0&cooldown.symbols_of_death.remains>5))&(buff.shadow_dance.up|(cooldown.flagellation.remains<40&cooldown.flagellation.remains>20&talent.death_perception))

[cursive vapor]

any tips for magetower?

[lilac stag]

check wowhead guide
there's not a lot of us in here and most of us did it when it was current content as sub

[lilac stag]

doesnt seem to like your conditions when trying to add it

[hexed sluice]

I didnt know they had it unlocked outside of legion timewalking, and since Ive never done the rogue one I went to go do it a moment ago so I have some tips

take this no matter what. If you kick him in phase one you can move him closer to the center and then you can shadowstep to every other pie slice to avoid the ice cage. Rinse and Repeat until he phases.

Phase 2 he is marked on the map, depending on your gear you can just shadowstep and sprint right to him and break him out. If not kill a clone for the healing bubble and make your way to him. Break him out and phase him.

Final Phase move the shadow to the edge and slowly move around the platform in a circle. For adds I just held a Shadow Dance and Symbols and Sec Tech, when he started the channel I ran away, symbols/dance at 1 second on the debuff, sectech the adds and then finish them off if they didnt die. Moving away is key as he heals 20% if they reach him, Rinse and repeat till dead. It enrages at 10 or 5% , I just popped evasion and seemed to be fine.

[cursive vapor]

ty man

[hexed sluice]

For build Im pretty sure Im just running the general purpose trickster build where I move 1 talent point between Shadow Tech and Imp ShurikanStorm, I simply just put it to Quick Decisions instead and played no differently

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

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[hexed sluice]

Oh and if you happen to have the engineering tinker with the potion in it, dont use the potion, it does not get timewalked and will give you a 200k per second dot that insta kills you. Does make me wonder if other tww tinkers are not scaled proper

[keen dome]

This doesn't surprise me but it's very funny to hear, I had been wondering if it'd scale or not

[hexed sluice]

I know for a bit bubbling wax was bugged and doing TWW damage in timewalking

[uneven scarab]

oh yeah I remember one shotting mobs in timewalking with it

funny meme

[vale pine]

did they ever fix it?

[hexed sluice]

Did not appear to work in the mage tower, but I have not done a timewalking dungeon yet

[vale pine]

okay then its probably fixed

[hexed sluice]

Woulda been neat if it did to just knock out outlaw and assassination as well

[vale pine]

haha, timewalking scaling is always a bit wonky

would be just another tool

[hexed sluice]

I wonder if touch of the magi ever got fixed for non legacy raids from old expacs

that one was goofy, could just kill Ghuun through the healing as a geared arcane mage before BFA was legacy

cause for some reason the damage stockpile portion was converting damage as if you were doing legacy damage numbers

So for the longest time as an Arcane mage you could just solo any last expac raid boss

[worn cape]

I'm trying to do the consumable sim, but I keep getting this error. 😦
ERROR! Profileset 'Pan Seared Mycobloom/Hallowfall Chili/Coreway Kabob/Flash Fire Fillet (lowest secondary)' Setup failure: Actor 'Alkix': Action 'food': Unable to initialize consumable '' from 'pan_seared_mycobloom': Unable to find consumable.

[vale pine]

moment

ill re-check the strings

fixed the input string, it seems simc changed how it handles - in the tokenization process

the last message in #tc-research has the updated file

[viral girder]

Is there a way to make a weakaura that highlights rupture on my hotbars if the my target has no rupture to 9 seconds of rupture left

ONly got 21 hours on this rogue and its amost where I need it for raiding in terms of macros and figuring out combos. Im just missing like 2 things atm and this is one of them. The other is figuring out how to turn my opener, into a general flag combo that potentially doesnt need vanish and such up to do

Or not just. Flag outside of the opener is the one thing I dont know when to use.

/castsequence reset=5 Shadowstrike, Flagellation, Eviscerate, Vanish, Shadowstrike, Rupture, Shadow Dance, Symbols of Death, Shadowstrike, Cold Blood, Secret Technique, Shadow Blades, Shadowstrike, Eviscerate, Eviscerate, Shadowstrike, Eviscerate I have this as my opener and at 589 item level with no enchants or anything its popping about 1m burst already.
Would I basically just remove the vanish portion ?

I think I just saw a burst of like 1.4m with it actually lma

[pliant topaz]

This is in all basic rogue packs I’m pretty sure, u can just yoink it from any of them

[pliant topaz]

This sounds fucking horrendous ngl.

It’s not really that hard to press the buttons if you follow the logic

[viral girder]

Its extremely hard to press the exact buttons when they are needed when you are focused on so many things at once. If I can get a macro to do the opening perfectly im going to because it wont fuck up where I will fail to remember which to press in the speed that things need to be pressed in specific orders

Rogues a very fast, very precise class on when to press things and this it the best thing for me to do

[pliant topaz]

If u want to remove vanish you have 2 gameplay options 1) backstab like 5 times into rupture which is really awful and means u delay flag etc. 2) dance rupture which further delays sectech, in dances and flag sequence, which means later coup, less optimal timings for coup and form stacks and generally worse damage

[viral girder]

Well that opener is just an opener. Thats not changing.

I need a variation of it for flag that isnt necessarily an opener.

[ember hound]

!fuu

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[viral girder]

Like the openers perfect for what I need it to do.

Its just the flag and shadow blade usages outside of the opener im trying to figure out.

[pliant topaz]

It’s the same except no need for vanish. It’s ‘generally’ build to full cps, flag rupture ( usually) then dance strike sectech blades

[viral girder]

so basically what I was saying... of taking that opener, removing vanish etc.

[pliant topaz]

The usage for flag/ blades is pretty straight forward, they’re used together generally on cooldown (unless specific events require you to hold them)
What’s more complicated is dance and sod usage

Yeah except y don’t also do that initial evis

[viral girder]

Like I have a few macros outside of the opener but its basic things like "when I press secret tech, it also uses symbols/dance/cold"

[pliant topaz]

That’s not fully optimal. There are situations where you would be sending naked sectechs. There are situations where you would only sod and not dance.

But it’s ‘fine’ for the most part

Cb also is not fully optimal but again it’s fine for the most part

[viral girder]

Well from what I saw the only time cold blood is used, is in tandem with secret techniques

and ALOT of people just say "just macro cold blood to it because thats almost alwyas gonna be the most optimal use"

[pliant topaz]

Yes but the optimal usage of cb is on the 2nd sectechs during flag roughly worth 0.5%

More if you can use it again as soon as it’s off cd, between flags but it’s a bit harder to do so just using during flag on 2nd cast is fine

[viral girder]

Yeah im trying to make it as brain dead / auto pilot as possible. I use to have a macro for symbols/shadow but then I realized "maybe I should save shadow dance gurenteed for secret/flag so let me just remove that macro"

21 hours though like I said, still trying to figure it all out

I'm putting 200% effort into min maxing this for my own play to be ready for raid pre-season 2 or during season 2.

[pliant topaz]

Sure, macros won’t be optimal but they’re fine I guess

[viral girder]

It removes the chance for me to fuck up

even if the macro'd cd's dont line up 1-1, its still doing way more DPS than if I myself were controlling when to use them.

Thats the way I look at it.

It may not be optimal to most, but im not "most". Im accounting for adhd and distractions and trying not to be overwhelmed while focusing on my raiders and auto piloting etc.

and like I said numbers wise I also look to be doing a consistent 600k-700k at 589 unbuffed/enchanted.

So its not like im doing bad.

The big thing is for the secret techniques macro I have to be careful about "spamming" too soon or else I will just blow through all of my symbols charges on accident.

[pliant topaz]

Sure sounds good!

U can add cast sequences for that I guess

[viral girder]

If there was an internal cd on symbols like there was shadow dance that wouldnt be a problem. lmao

Like shadows has 2 charges, but it still has a 10 second intenral cd so you cant spam or use too many charges at once.

[plush roost]

6 second but yeah

[pliant topaz]

I feel like wow as a game is not really hard enough to require this much macro design but whatever’s best fit for everyone I guess

[viral girder]

Yeah cast sequencing the secret techniques instead of just "/cast" would prob be the only way to not accidentally waste the charges

Because its just a "if its up use it" scenario atm

lmao

[viral girder]

Rogue is one of the statistically harder classes to play due to how fine tuned, precise, and fast their combos are and short their windows are.
This is a double edged scenario. Makes it harder to play without macros, but it also makes Rogue one of the BEST classes to go this crazy on macros for.

[spark tusk]

Cast sequences, concept made up by the utterly deranged

[plush roost]

Tbh really i think you're just wrong, rogue is very few macros

Even CB+sec tec isn't used anymore

We don't play tea so we dont even have tea+dance macro'd for mastery either lmfao

Sin has like, shiv+tea for ezmode and deathmark+pot+trinket

[spark tusk]

I still use a macro for cb + sec

but I also have sec tec without it

so it's not for 2 separate buttons

er not for reducing buttons

[viral girder]

And I dont have alot of macros either. Lmao.
So far its literally just secret technique pop
opener

and utility ones.

[spark tusk]

I still have 2 of them, just makes it easier to press lol

[viral girder]

Like kidney;cheap shot

distract on cursor

[spark tusk]

I just have everything else manually bound

[viral girder]

Shadowmeld shadowstrike macro

[plush roost]

Ye thats good too, i just manually cb now xd

[viral girder]

Like I dont have as much as im making it sound. Lmao

[plush roost]

Yeye, just a professional yapper like me haha

[viral girder]

The only things I have macro'd basically are the opener and prob just standard non opener flag due to flag needing to be the most precise thing on the planet. Outside of that I stabalize around 700k DPS after the opener give it take.

[viral girder]

Peple call me a yapper all the time, but its what ever just like doing research and testing things and conversating to see what others thing and how I can change things up

Honestly hate the word.

[spark tusk]

oh i love the word I yap all the god damn time but I'm just having fun

[keen dome]

Same, big fan of the term too

[vale pine]

yap

[patent crystal]

Yap

[plush roost]

Me 2, better to yap and formulate thoughts coherently, than to not yap and be ignorant

2 yap, or not 2 yap

[lilac stag]

Fap

[keen dome]

I can yap and be ignorant. All yap, no thoughts.

[pliant topaz]

Based scath

Kinda non sub related but I haven’t done anything except raid in like 2.5 months.haven’t even gotten the ring. IIs there anything fun to do in the new isle? Worth it to log in wow or I should continue losing my mind in low masters league

[lilac stag]

Marmaduke

[keen dome]

Agreed. Marmaduke is worth it.

Also the birb mount is pretty nice.

[lilac stag]

you’re going to want the ring for s2 so have to do it at some point.

island time is chill so I’m enjoying it

[azure mauve]

just like any other island

theres dailies, events rares

meh...

[pliant topaz]

yeah makes sense. might just go get the ring and see if theres any mounts id want

thanks

[main ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solar ingot]

Is sub damage outside CD’s in keys really bad or am I doing something wrong? My burst window seems fine it’s mostly just outside them

[lilac stag]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[small hemlock]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat sorrel]

[hexed sluice]

I miss Maw Rattle :C

Goated Legendary

[upbeat sorrel]

BiS ong no cap

[viral girder]

https://wago.io/PGoUZ5Xlc How do I turn this, into a way to make rupture on my hotbars glow like a proc if it has 9 seconds left?

Much rather have a glowing hotbar button because its less intrusive

[spark tusk]

you can make the aura have a glow that shows below 9 seconds, and place it overtop of your action bar where your rupture is

that's the dirty simple way

you can't easily just have it make your bar glow

without a lot of custom work

But the very low-effort version is just do it with the glow and move it over your hotbar

[viral girder]

I do it with all the buffs, figured I could d the same with the debuff on the target.

[spark tusk]

anything you're doing with buffs, you can do with a debuff on the target

[viral girder]

Like I have one that makes symbols glow if it doesnt track the aura/buff

I need it to track MY rupture timer on the enemy im targetting, and glow if its equal to or less than 9 seconds

[spark tusk]

can you share that one that makes symbols glow?

[viral girder]

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Its just a quick one I made that just changed it up based on my instant vivify I had for my monk basically

But instead of highlighting with the buff, its highlighting without the buff

[spark tusk]

ok, so you're tracking buff on player for symbols

just swap that to debuff target rupture

and change condition of aura found from false to true and remaining duration < 9

just change the logic here, you're like 80% of the way there already with this other one

On another note, doesn't it get a bit distracting/overbearing to have it glow anytime you don't have symbols?