subtlety

[hazy breach]

The marks are not useless

You absolutely want to use your darkest night immediately

Regardless of target counts

[tribal blade]

and yeah consuming marks/DN are very powerful

[raven rover]

i mean i'm not sure about all of this, i came back to rogue like a week ish ago? and noticed they removed shadowdust which i loved about sub so kinda relearning this bs now

[tribal blade]

if you ignore DN and just cycle BP you're losing out on a bunch of stuff

[tribal blade]

just give both a shot and use whichever you prefer

there's no wrong answer

[lilac stag]

they adjusted CDs with the removal of dust. You’re playing around SoD and superchargers. Find what you enjoy and just run it.

[raven rover]

okay so what exact build am i going to run for DS? like there is no straight forward build for it atleast of what i have been able to find

[tribal blade]

fair yes with DS it's a little more all over the place

[raven rover]

haha i also dont understand supercharges xD

[lilac stag]

start there

and full transparency. Most of us hate DS

[raven rover]

haha why? i love the ST damage is has in raids

or has that been swapped to trickster?

[lilac stag]

trickster plays better, and better ST dmg is entirely fight length dependent.

[raven rover]

wait so even trickster in raiding?

[lilac stag]

Yes (imo)

[tribal blade]

this was more or less kush's DS build he was running

[lilac stag]

keep in mind mythic parses are very low quantity. Rng can skew one above the other

[hazy breach]

Theyre both fine to play

[lilac stag]

which is why we keep saying play whatever YOU are finding fun

I want to gouge my eyes out with DS.

We can help you with either

[tribal blade]

this build would have more ST

[keen dome]

The gospel of WoW, imo.

[lilac stag]

it’s really difficult to buy into unfortunately.

[keen dome]

It's why I still use a macro for Dance+Symbols. Sometimes you accept something isn't the most optimal it can be because it makes the game feel better for you.

(I have seperate binds though)

[raven rover]

maybe its just me playing sub in pug keys where outside of my cds it feels like nothing dies

[lilac stag]

pugs gonna pug

[raven rover]

so it feels like i should make up for the damage outside of my cds because no one else is doing something

[tribal blade]

normal, that's why you want to maximize your cd damage

[lilac stag]

you’re also playing at a time when the season is dead, people are playing new classes or specs for lulz and gameplay is generally low. This season is ass.

[raven rover]

wait maybe this

[hazy breach]

Well ye youre gonna be doing 0 damage outside dance

[raven rover]

trickster but without cold blood, what kind of dps loss would that bring?

[tribal blade]

i don't think it's good, but i haven't simmed it

[hazy breach]

A couple percent

#subtlety message
Is probably the best bet for "damage outside cooldowns"

But even so, its still pretty pitiful

[lilac stag]

Have fun everyone. Time to get ready to teach the doggos.

[tribal blade]

have fun!

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, pette them good dogges

[hollow spear]

the Fathomdweller conspiracies are going crazy

a couple more pulls without getting one and I will start to believe them

[keen dome]

Have you tried warmode + a low pop layer?

[hollow spear]

how do I move layers?

[keen dome]

You can do it a few ways but typically via joining a group from another server to be shifted to theirs. Warmode puts you on the WM layer which is, typically, much emptier.

[void hound]

can you put sockets on the new ring?

[keen dome]

Not that I've seen, no 😦

You can enchant it, though!

[mighty citrus]

if i go ds for the st bosses, do i use the ss procc the same as in assa? just out of cds or is there anything special to know about sub ds?

(originally i wanted to flee assa cause i hate ds, now iam here...)

[tribal blade]

if you're talking about clear the witnesses you basically just don't press it during symbols

[round latch]

always WM on

[hollow spear]

Feels like you're wasting at least half of your procs that way. Even though it's optimal it kinda feels like a waste of a talent.

[bleak wind]

its just a bonus talent its not like you can't pick it, its similar to how nimble flurry is useless in ST

[hazy breach]

Yep but getting more symbols uptime is worth more than the extra damage from it

[hollow spear]

Yeah, I understand why, but it still doesn't feel good is what I'm saying

[hazy breach]

Ye

[hollow spear]

I hate looking at procs running out 😅

[mighty citrus]

speaking about sod uptime, in which scenario i would send sod without dance? or just at the end of a fight?

[hazy breach]

Same as darkest night eviscerating in aoe

It is good, but feels bad

[vale pine]

storm on trickster also feels bad but is good in moderation

feels like its part of our class identity

[fallow nimbus]

One day we have talents that work for all builders

[vale pine]

some already do, they changed premediation for example

rotten too

[vestal escarp]

I would love to play more DS in keys, but the spec without the benefits that trickster brings is not enjoyable

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah but all should work like that

[olive mural]

Do we ever dance without symbols?

[tepid trellis]

no

[chrome fern]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-dance-gif-25381375

[hollow spear]

Are we still using bp when we have coup up without fazed? Hasn't really come up for me lately, but the line is still in most guides.

[grim prawn]

Bring WoD sub rogue back

[spark tusk]

The future is now old one

get with the times

the past is done and dead

[swift tinsel]

The only thing that should come back from WoD is Necrotic Plague for unholy dk, maybe old SEF for Windwalker

Or the balancing nightmare that was Gladiator Stance

[bleak wind]

@vale pine yo you are missing some gems / enchants on the sheet sims, unless its a UI thing

[vale pine]

should not miss any sims

*any gems/enchants

[bleak wind]

is it a UI issue then?

same as enchant on the new ring

assa/outlaw profiles have some missing as well

[viscid ocean]

u guys guess its more worth to craft engineer helmet with mastery or vers or normal crafted vers+mastery helmet? i am tired of waiting for ara kara helmet in vault 😄

[digital aspen]

cant guess anything, the robots will tell you

[keen dome]

I'd suggest simming it to see which is better.

[tidal marsh]

Guessycraft

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lofty saffron]

Any major change in gameplay between rotten and dark brew builds?

[vale pine]

seems like a ui bug

[wind canopy]

Trickster or DS?

[lofty saffron]

DS

[wind canopy]

And ST or AoE?

[lofty saffron]

Either I suppose. Fairly new to sub, played mostly Assa. Just trying to find what feels best for me as I learn

[wind canopy]

DS single and AoE, nothing changes between the two.

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

Do whatever you want

The one from second boss is fine too

Practically no difference between them all

[silent ruin]

Why is cdr talent of symbols gated behind cheap shot n shroud?

[digital aspen]

[swift tinsel]

welcome to Sub talent tree, where everything's made up and the points don't matter

[quaint lodge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

i mean, they matter ^^

[swift tinsel]

Lol its a tagline from an improv comedy tv show

[worn cape]

because Blizzard went "oh shit, sub rogue exist. Quick! Make some kind of talent tree 5 min before expansion launches"

[silent ruin]

Wasn't this even the dragonflight tree, at least for this section

[small hemlock]

gems not dropping is a known issue yeah?

[keen dome]

Shuddering Hollow is bugged and the event doesn't always work, yeah. So those two may be a pain to get.

[small hemlock]

thjank you again

[silk crescent]

Try looking in Custom lfg for people doing the reset fix

And listen to what rl says

[small hemlock]

what should i search

[silk crescent]

Skal

[keen dome]

Skal or Hollow, yeah

[small hemlock]

ty boys

[keen dome]

You can try doing it in warmode - it seems to be more consistent with less people in it or with warmode on but it's only my personal experience and is likely just down to luck at the moment.

[dry plank]

this fking ring just 1 gem which do damage gives our monk 10% of damage

IMAGINE xD

[small juniper]

how is -26k dps simming well

[round latch]

❤️

[vale pine]

skill issue, need to put more points in luck

[small hemlock]

people are having arguments infront of the cave now

[small hemlock]

this is wild

full scale war outside this cave

[vale pine]

lol, smart

[alpine wraith]

yea that is why you need to do in war mode

so you can have some alliance/horde

kill that ape

[novel marlin]

my current gear in the sim is using it.

[storm vault]

These generic tier sets can go to hell

[spiral yacht]

Hey guys, just getting back into rogue and trying to understand the rotation. Why are the guides saying to use backstab and eviscerate in the aoe rotation instead of the aoe skills? Something to do with the hero talents?

[storm vault]

Pointless question. I dunno why no one said it, but all the talents in the cheap shot shroud rows are useless for dps

Shadow focus needs to be deleted

[storm vault]

Yes. Trickster tree has Blade Flurry

[silent ruin]

the 5 sec cd reduction on symbols is useless you're saying ?

[storm vault]

Reread what i said

[fallow nimbus]

There are 2 strategies that work but they clash

1. is to kill boss at the end of the cave with everyone standing at the wall
2. Reset boss until a new event cave timer starts, a competent hunter pulls boss and you kill it
   Both strats don't give loot in a raidgroup

[vestal escarp]

real question is

why is the hotfix 2 days in the rock guy is still not fixed?

[bleak wind]

perhaps because people don't work during the weekends, especially around holydays

[silent ruin]

Do shadow strike crits etc translate into appropriate shadow blade DMG?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[clever delta]

Leveled char yestrday and this is my vault next day 😄

ez

[steel zinc]

Not everything is a +10 slacker 😄

[clever delta]

Gotta do later

[left ledge]

What’s this even for

Oh gems

I think my Strat worked the best

I kept killing them until it dropped

[silent ruin]

Coup de Grace doesn't reduce sec tec cd, deliberate or bug?

Doesn't reduce dance cd

[hazy breach]

It does reduce it

[silent ruin]

Hmm ok ya, thot it wasn't

[gritty knot]

why do ppl have already the ring on 653 on reddit? did I miss smth 😄

what kind of bugusing is this again

[alpine wraith]

alt catch up

abuse

[gritty knot]

damn, can u farm it with alts and send to main or what?

[hazy breach]

no

Its a faction change per 3 ilvls

So its definitely not intended and very possibly bannable

[gritty knot]

ye ofc its not intended but I doubt they will get banned. most likely they will just reset the rings

i had ppl abusing that spider web thing in m+ and even on bosses and they never got banned either

still fked up that ppl did this

[spark tusk]

It's 3 ilvls

It seems extremely minor in both directions

[fallow nimbus]

Are the ring gems up to date? I've seen a few specs that go just secondary stats + the mastery one

Assa, havoc and bm

[hazy breach]

yes

Lightning one is like 0.3% better on pure ST

[tribal blade]

holy how did you get a full 3 myth raid vault on an alt

[steel zinc]

Most Guilds alt raids and most decent boosting teams do 6/8 these days

[tribal blade]

true, my guild pretty much only does 1 main raid per week

kinda forgot other raids do that

[clever delta]

alt raid

[tribal blade]

i just assumed some poor sucker/s got sat

[glossy turtle]

what mastery % are you guys at?

[steel zinc]

sth like 1550k mastery

idk how much % that is

[glossy turtle]

and what is your vers at?

I just assumed without checking that crit mast was best stats for sub... so I have nothing XD

[steel zinc]

its versa mastery

[wind canopy]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike > Haste

[glossy turtle]

yeah it was just stupid not to check

btw now that sub and assa is decently close in m+, how close are they on ovinax?

[steel zinc]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38?boss=2919&class=Rogue I have like currently rank 8 log as sub and that would be something like rank 60 as assa. So yeah assa is way more ahead.

Also getting a log on ovi is having the right setup for rogue

if you have 2 fury warrior and 1 dk its over

[glossy turtle]

sadly we play with fury and dk, dk is not that good though so. I get to do some dmg

[tribal blade]

you cannot parse ovi if you have warr/dks doing 3+ mil

[glossy turtle]

but im soo tired of assa,

I actually cba to play that piss anymore

[steel zinc]

its the bm hunter of the 3 rogue specs

[tribal blade]

it's the reason they removed ovi from all stars

[steel zinc]

this

[glossy turtle]

wym by stars?

[steel zinc]

allstars

[tribal blade]

on warcraft logs

[glossy turtle]

allstars what?

like nba allstars, idk man haha

[tribal blade]

i looked at all the top sin logs and every single top log had their warr/dks die during the pull

[steel zinc]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38

[tribal blade]

that's the only way to parse it

[glossy turtle]

aaah

[glossy turtle]

so its removed cause its a situational parse?

[wind canopy]

Then play what you want? Shouldn’t matter at this point in the season. If you like sub, play sub

Or outlaw, then play outlaw

[tribal blade]

because it's a situation where no matter how well you play you cannot parse

[glossy turtle]

i wanna play, both. I just need to figure out how to recraft my gear n stuiff

[steel zinc]

no because no matter the situation the parse is never in your hand.

[glossy turtle]

So I have good vers, not much mast on outlaw, and not much haste on sub

[steel zinc]

If you have 3 fury warrior you wont parse high on that boss

[tribal blade]

court honestly is kinda the same thing

[wind canopy]

Stats aren’t what’s gonna decide your dps. It’s execution.

[glossy turtle]

was told differently in outlaw chat

I have like 6 vers

6%

[steel zinc]

because outlaw has a haste breakpoint

[glossy turtle]

having 30% mastery as an outlaw is literally useless

[steel zinc]

and sub has just good stats

[glossy turtle]

no I had haste good enough haste

[steel zinc]

or needs good stats

[glossy turtle]

ok, so I can kinda gear for my outlaw, and then play sub as well?

[tribal blade]

stats don't matter much until you've gone too far in the wrong direction

[steel zinc]

yeah but tbh your stats are w/e

[glossy turtle]

this is outlaw stats, and this is even with my trying to get more vers just by swapping some items I had in my bag

[hazy breach]

Also worth keeping in mind theres literally 10x as many assa logs

[steel zinc]

like just learn the rotation. I play most melee as alts and sub is still the hardest to mastery and imo most fun

[steel zinc]

yes tbf good point.

if you play sub your kinda special like the snowflakes outside

[glossy turtle]

7% dmg buff is just as good as a 20% dmg buff?

[hazy breach]

I think assa is better on ovinax and rashanan, but for the other bosses its pretty much even

[clever delta]

gearing is insane fast now, i leveled hunter yesterday and he is 628 now, or i did paladin last week and he is 635 now

[glossy turtle]

bro.... what

[steel zinc]

yeah getting alts geared is really nice a fun

my warrior was 550 now its 628

has like 15 hours played lol

[tribal blade]

how exactly do you do it that fast

[clever delta]

this blud was leveled 24h ago literary 😄

[glossy turtle]

but this is my main. So like a good sub would perfom good at 20% mastery? like if I just geared fully to play outlaw. due to that dumb haste requirement, and mastery being useless

[wind canopy]

I mean, just no life it and play all the time and you can gear pretty fast, yeah? Like there’s no crest cap and the rewards have changed too

[clever delta]

yeah exatly

[steel zinc]

I didnt even nolife it really

[clever delta]

i was really having fun with it

[steel zinc]

especially tank spec and like 2 - 3 mates just blasting keys

[clever delta]

if you have fun it dosnt feel like grind

[steel zinc]

and also boes are a big thing + new ring

[glossy turtle]

soo, having 20% mastery isnt really that different from having 60% or something?

[steel zinc]

like you can get a 642 ring 3x 629 items from AH

[steel zinc]

oh there is but its like worrying what shorts to wear while playing basketball without having a basket 😄

[wind canopy]

Pretty much

[clever delta]

guys i will tell you secret buit pls keep it here

[steel zinc]

ok

[clever delta]

playing ranged in raid is like twice easier than fucking melee

[steel zinc]

I wont tell 🤞

[glossy turtle]

that is not the case for outlaw, i am good at outlaw. sub im decent. but you make it seem like stats dont matter, for outlaw they do at least. But not for sub it seems like? so in theory i can still 90+ parse with 20% mastery

[clever delta]

not even kidding

[steel zinc]

ofc it is. Bro playing hunter is like being afk

[wind canopy]

That’s because stats are like 10% max (probably less) for a spec in general. Still have to execute the spec.

[clever delta]

i was playing this hunter first time in raid and ovinax and kyveza was fuckign joke, meanwhile our hunter player was palying DH and he was floowpoving and whispering me that melee sux 😄

[steel zinc]

a good hunter no meme likes to play SV

[clever delta]

yeah i know

[glossy turtle]

So you would just suggest that I gear for outlaw fully, since I can play it well, and then just run outlaw gear on sub?

[wind canopy]

You can have the perfect stats and still have a gray parse because you play like shit.

[clever delta]

but we have like short of ranged so they are not allowed 😄

[wind canopy]

If outlaw is what you want to play, then yes, do that.

[glossy turtle]

I wanna play both

[clever delta]

playing retri warrior or hunter requie like half of brain power comapared to rogue and i play rogue sionce wotlk

[wind canopy]

Stats won’t matter. So yes, you could run sub in outlaw gear.

[glossy turtle]

ok, but isnt 10% alot?

[glossy turtle]

and would I be able to parse well? like 90+, with that gear? in theory, im not that high yet.

[tribal blade]

my favorite was one of the warrs on my raid team tried playing rogue on the beta, and in his words "i don't have the brain capacity for this shit"

[glossy turtle]

retri is the most piss easy spec in the game. its acutally insulting every single other melee spec saying that they require any perceivable form of skill XD

[wind canopy]

Parsing is something you shouldn’t be worrying about at this stage. You’re gonna get outplayed by much stronger guilds and players.

Hate to tell you that but that’s how it’s gonna be if you’re worrying about Ovi prog.

[glossy turtle]

I was also mainly thinking about m+, that is what I mainly play.

[glacial hinge]

Rogue isnt for who wants, its for who can 😂 my RL rerolled rogue, lasted 2 weeks went back to hunter 🫡 early season we had 4 rogues, im the last one on roster

[glossy turtle]

well, no its just that parsing is a way to tell how well youre improving. so if im improving and my parses arent getting better since Im playing with horrible gear, then how am I supposed to tell that im getting better?

IF that is the case

[glossy turtle]

saw a hunter parse 99 on rahsa I think, who used a rotation addon

[twilit phoenix]

[glossy turtle]

it was just telling him what to press, and since he is ranged he doesnt need to loose dmg for mechanics

[glacial hinge]

I have 99 on rasha but sometimes its just being lucky on cdr to do so, but i do agree rogue drains my brain, at least if im trying to hit 99/100

[tribal blade]

hate to say it, but you can play a boss perfectly and not get a good parse because of things out of your control

[glossy turtle]

and I wouldnt say that just because im on ovi that means im bad. Im playing with not that good people, since I just wanted to get some gear for m+. I cant control that as an example 2 of my teammates waste ca 1 hr of raid time, cause they cant remember what egg to pop ( they need to pop the same one every single time)

[wind canopy]

I’m not saying you’re bad. I’m implying it’s not something you should care about. Gear isn’t the issue at this point. It’s all about execution.

[clever delta]

i would say bm and retri about same

retri more immortal but melee but bm being jumping ranged

i cant stop pressing jump as bm,

[glossy turtle]

retri isnt melee, 25 yrd attack range if im not mistaken

[clever delta]

true 😄

[wind canopy]

You just need to execute things like rotation, avoiding shit, changing targets as needed, stopping shit, and not dying. That is what carries. Not your gear.

[glossy turtle]

well yes ofc, but i mean noone is perfect. So does that mean that noone should focus on gear?

[wind canopy]

No, but if you don’t have it, then don’t worry about it.

If you have the 20% mastery, it’s whatever. Just go with it if you swap to sub because that’s all you have.

[clever delta]

rogue in general scale pretty poorly with gear

[glossy turtle]

well I can optimise it better, but if you say that it doesnt matter then i wont. But if I can optimise, why not? why not get 20% more mastery for sub, if I can?

[swift tinsel]

Relative to secondaries, your moment-to-moment gameplay will contribute more damage so trying to hyper-optimize stats isn't really worth the squeeze

[glossy turtle]

for ovinax, I got it so all my stuff alines well, and I have always been good at mechanics. But yeah once we got a fury its was over, im like top 4 dps now. and used to be perma 1.

[swift tinsel]

You absolutely can, that's your prerogative, but it's not usually a hangup worth getting hung up on

[glossy turtle]

I wouldnt say that 10% is hyperoptimisnig, idc about hyperoptimising

but thanks anyways. im just gonna gear fully for outlaw. and start gamin

[silk crescent]

@hazy breach i watched db 16 video you posted on yt and saw you were using black powder some times, what situation do you do that in as trickster? (Others feel free to answer too )

[plush roost]

5+ targets, you use shuriken storm as your second rotten charge to spread find weakness

Also a niche spot to use it once with 4 targets during shadow dance

Assuming this is trickster we're talking about

[silk crescent]

It is, thank you!

[surreal yew]

Hey you what's up guys, nice to meet you. So looks like subtlety isn't use tea talent anymore

I left the game on DF s2

[tribal blade]

not really

we have plenty of energy in cds which is where we do the majority of our damage

so vigor/tea isn't as potent as it used to be

[sturdy moon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torn smelt]

okay i´ve encountert quite a thing, what do you do if your team wipes and youre the last man standing as trickster? all the mobs started running to the tank after he released

[hybrid prism]

You never feel like you need it. Much rather have cb to use with shadow clone jutsu.

[median nacelle]

hearthstone and save rep bill

maybe cancelmacro on trix if you feel like it's a big issue, not sure it works tho

[tribal blade]

don't hearth in the middle of a key, it's an actual bannable offense now if you do it enough times

[alpine wraith]

yea if you need to change spec use the dungeon portal from hero

it leaves you in the door

[plush roost]

Wait theres no way hearthing to change spec will get u banned

Surely?

Sometimes combat takes a bit to drop so hearthing to heroes rest or root home is faster xd

[timid pulsar]

You got a link to the video? 🙂

[wind canopy]

Just look up eleemz on YT.

[tribal blade]

i read "hearthstone and save rep bill" as leave the key because it's jover

but i could be wrong

[dry plank]

Could someone dm me Eleems YouTube channel?

[tribal blade]

search "eleemz"

https://www.youtube.com/@Eleemz

[wind canopy]

I swear

[tribal blade]

hey did you know you can type "eleemz" into youtube's search and get the video?

teehee

[alpine wraith]

sometimes youtube search goes finnicky

[vale pine]

good morning, how is the ring aquisition going?

[keen dome]

Going by trade chat, the event is still bugged. I imagine it'll be fixed today, though. Maybe.

[vale pine]

possible, its very close to christmas so things might take a bit

[keen dome]

Yeah. It's a frustrating but non-critical issue too. So like, probably not that urgent.

And we've got potentially effective workarounds.

I am curious about Legendary and if it's actually better than raw stats. 2.6k (Mast / Versa depending on which you have higher) all the time versus potentially a useful proc at 150% potency every now and then.

[timid pulsar]

Ahh i just seached for eleem, thanks!

[drowsy moon]

Is it okay if someone can log review one of my logs I feel like I am making fundamental mistakes 😭

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X3YzPDQWJgNB7Vv2?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=119

[lime wigeon]

Hi guys, i am just a bit new to sub spec, in raid i am often in top dps but i can t under stand why in m+ i am always low in damage. Blackdust Is still a useful skill in m+?

[covert imp]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

i predict it's one of several things (or all of them)

1. you're letting flawless drop in aoe and you stop cleaving

2. you're doing storm>BP while in dance instead of applying FW to all targets with 2nd charge of rotten and then alternating between strike>BP

^ assuming you're playing trickster

[surreal yew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[surreal yew]

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njiRuS3zYao

damn someone from dratnos' guild actually made an evoker on EU just to push

NA M+ dead

[steel zinc]

Avarge player skill in NA is lower

I would argue that playtime wise Asia is nr1 followed by EU

[tribal blade]

i agree, asians have this thing with taking things to the utmost extremes to achieve

(grew up with asian mom who pushed me way too hard in academics)

[steel zinc]

made my day its like every stereotype confirmed

[tribal blade]

dude it's a very true stereotype

i'm really bad at math (really, really bad)

and she kept buying me math books several grades above what i was learning

and then was furious i couldn't do it

[steel zinc]

maybe she had a passion for math and you didnt. That happens quite often with parents that want to pass on their passion

[keen dome]

[tribal blade]

haha nah not really, it's more so the tiger mom mindset

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_parenting

over here how your kids do with academics is the most important thing about how they're being raised

more so than their mental well being

or even happiness

[keen dome]

Terrifying. I had the reverse of that, I guess. Kinda? Is there a reverse of that.

[tribal blade]

we have private tutors over here and they're like rockstars, the good ones put out these crazy extravagent ads everywhere and they make a LOT of money

[keen dome]

haha, damn

[tribal blade]

relaxed parenting 😉

letting your kids discover things for themselves

(aka good parenting)

[keen dome]

Yeah, I guess. I was sent to a very, very high achieving special school.

And it went so well I was expelled in 6 months.

[tribal blade]

nice!

LOL

oh no

i just went through a sea of emotions there

[keen dome]

Yeah, it was a good thing though. It's just a very funny memory to me.

[tribal blade]

hey academics isn't everything

[alpine wraith]

that happened a bit on my family

did not go that well for us

[keen dome]

Just gotta find what works well for you as a person.

[alpine wraith]

but well it all comes down to how people end up

at least my brother sister and I kinda ended up decent

[tribal blade]

to me it feels like it's complete rng on how kids react to the way they're raised

[alpine wraith]

but uncles etc oh boi

[keen dome]

My mom tried really hard when I was taken out of school, though. Eventually just gave up and Ieventually found my own way through adult education when I was 16, etc. Just sometimes shit takes a weeeird path and it works out.

[tribal blade]

weird paths are better than regular paths

be your own person!

do things differently, hell yeah

[alpine wraith]

be like sub rogue even with everything bugged you can still have fun

[keen dome]

hahahaa

the sub rogue life style

[tribal blade]

smile through the pain of RS eating CPs

[alpine wraith]

hands up when coup charge kills you

[keen dome]

👋

[tribal blade]

i have actually gotten so lucky on queen, i have yet for coup to kill me

but i've been very careful with it

[alpine wraith]

they fixed coup working on the air

to kill you

[tribal blade]

ahhh i see

[tribal blade]

this is the best IO page of all time

[keen dome]

lmao, that owns

[steel zinc]

I know its an aug but outlaw players had that too 😄

[remote shuttle]

@hazy breach was looking at your mists 16 log, on 1st boss i saw u opened at start and had amp phase after 1:30 so u opened again at that point. Question is, did you ask party to slow down damage to have cds back in boss amp phase?

[tribal blade]

this guy's not even abusing a bug! he just straight natty has the IO page of a weekly keyer and then BAM RANK 1 KEY

i wonder how he got himself in there, they must know him from HoF raiding in poptart corndog

[keen dome]

Maybe he made a really good pun

And they went "Damn, we've gotta do a key with this guy"

[steel zinc]

I mean if raid on a certain region you pretty much know everyone pretty fast. Also in Beta I played also with yoda and so. Not that I am any good just the nature of everyone being on one beta server and knowing everyone pretty fast that played beta.

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure, and he comes from a very well known guild

[remote shuttle]

Guys? Which setup are you running for new ring? I mean, second slot is mandatory mastery buff, but on 1st and 3d are using damage+legendarySkipper or allSecStat+HighestSecStat?

[steel zinc]

For and now for the rest of discord. Always check the pins.

[hearty girder]

Trickster is so good on Silken

[tribal blade]

why would i check the pins when i can ask the question and have a handsome person like you answer

[steel zinc]

Sorry 😄

[tribal blade]

full sarcasm 😉

[hearty girder]

I love Nimble Flurry

I feel like Deepening Shadows should be 1 sec instead of .5

[tribal blade]

it would become pretty crazy if it was 1 sec, that would be the same as sectec

but it could get bumped back up for sure, it didn't use to be this low

[hearty girder]

Yeah that's why, so it fits together

sometimes my shadow dance is on cd like a little further into the encounter

[tribal blade]

they don't need to have the same cdr because dance has charges

[hearty girder]

and it feels bad

wth sectec up

[tribal blade]

yeah agreed the low cdr on dance does feel bad, it's been like this since S3 of DF

they nerfed it, and then we lost our S3+4 tier set which gave a LOT of CPs

so basically there was no balancing to correct this issue

[hearty girder]

I love sub aside from that one issue

its not that big of an issue tbh

[tribal blade]

the right answer from blizz would be to see sub now has cdr problems and either bump it back up or remove dance's cdr altogether and make it a static ~30 sec cd

[tribal blade]

i think it's a decent issue

it causes problems like needing to send naked symbols sometimes

and having to "full stop" before sending cds to make sure you have enough dance cdr for your next cd set

it doesn't make much sense for sub to still work on cdr considering we can't just send cds on cd

[lilac stag]

where’s all the tier set will save cdr in s2 now?

[hazy breach]

I assumed tier sets would be spec specific and not role specific

[keen dome]

S3.

[lilac stag]

silly rabbits

I assume blizzard thinks Rogue is perfect now.

[keen dome]

Poison toggle is requiered for perfection.

[hearty girder]

It's not about perfect, it's about how much better off some classes are compared to others

[lilac stag]

oh box doesn’t know my sarcasm. Hello and welcome.

[hearty girder]

I don't know you at all so I wasn't sure if that was sarcasm or not, mb

[lilac stag]

All good

Text is a struggle with sarcasm

just like blue dev notes on rogue is a struggle for Blizzard

[hearty girder]

There's still some classes that need more attention than the ones they've been giving so it's not all perfect

[remote shuttle]

I saw the pin, was asking which setup people are running in m+ and their feelings, checked on murlok yesterday and only 2 of the highest 5 were running new ring, with different citrine than the ones listed in the pin

[hearty girder]

Arms warrior is in shambles

[lilac stag]

the general complaint is something something wet noodle dmg allocation.

[keen dome]

When I simmed a few different setups, both 2.6k stat and Legendary came pretty close. My feelcraftyness is that I'm suspicious of Legendary as it's pure variance, but it's hard to tell.

[lilac stag]

which is fair. The plate spinning is fine, but I get some don’t like it

[coarse nexus]

played a few 14s with new ring, couldnt notice anything really

[lilac stag]

Imagine getting bis gems to drop

[keen dome]

Just gotta be on Argent Dawn-EU

[spark tusk]

Imagine going to the island

[lilac stag]

Wash your mouth out. I love island.

[keen dome]

Island has marmaduke

[lilac stag]

It’s BFA

Best feature

[keen dome]

If you don't like marmaduke then I dunno what to say. 11.0.7 is the marmaduke patch

[spark tusk]

I actually still haven't been lol

[lilac stag]

Make me warrior WA

Please

[spark tusk]

Got sidetracked right as patch started

with acuity farming a new alt up

[lilac stag]

pain

[spark tusk]

finally finished tho so probably going to hit the island tonight

[keen dome]

The only really good thing to do right now is farming the torrential rune fragments (7 needed, random mob drop) while groups are busy on it, for the new mount.

[spark tusk]

You know I did make myself one that's styled like my other pack, just didn't publish it

[lilac stag]

I’m just having fun in delves and the island

[spark tusk]

I can make a wago upload of it, it isn't the same quality / focus and I didn't hyperfixate on every edge case and corner like I did on the rogue one as it was just a personal one for myself

but if you want it lmk and you can modify it after

[lilac stag]

Sure

I know you don’t have bloat code

So I like working with them

[spark tusk]

I don't even think there's like

any code in this one

like what would I code?

[lilac stag]

You’d be surprised

What’s out there

[spark tusk]

Oh and it doesn't have prot

it's just arms/fury

[lilac stag]

What progression alt were you missing?

That’s fine, I delete any shield in my inventory immediately

[spark tusk]

a kul tiran tailor/LW

[lilac stag]

Ran heroic, scath you have a shield?
Do I have a what?

Do you have a shield?
What is a shield?

[spark tusk]

Also made it a blood DK and was actually having a blast playing it so may actually continue it as a real alt rather than just a profession scrub

[lilac stag]

blood is pretty fun

Healer heart attack spec

[keen dome]

Some really nice animations as KT, too

[lilac stag]

I just wanted to be excited for s2 rogue. Disappointment was quick.

[keen dome]

Maybe we're getting so many cool changes that they need a seperate list for it.

[spark tusk]

Sent in dms

[spark tusk]

I'm ready for it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-19354605

[keen dome]

[coarse nexus]

ill take no changes over getting season 3d again

[remote shuttle]

Ye same, still not sure if i feel better with legendary skipper or full mastery on 3d slot... And 1st one on left, are u using damage proc or all secondary stats buffs? With my mastery is like 770 all sec stats vs 1,5/2% overall damage wuth damage proc

[keen dome]

I'm using all secondary stats on left, yeah.

[remote shuttle]

Kk so we tuned pretty same nicw

[keen dome]

I'm curious how it's gonna shake out with more data. I feel like all stats all the time is potentially better but legit nothing more than feelyness to go on at this point.

[remote shuttle]

I've timed my 1st sv 13 yesterday with ring setted up loke this

Also it hepls with vers... Swapping my hc ring for nee one resulted going from 20% to 15% vers... I feel like a glass atm..

[keen dome]

Yeah I'm at uh..

With all 3 stat gems.

[lilac stag]

You’re getting changes without changes. Losing current tier and 90 second trinket is not a positive

[lusty dew]

4% haste, literally me

[keen dome]

I was thinking of setting up a WA to track Legendary proc's and then doing a load of content and comparing it all. But also that'sa lot of effort and I don't know if it'd be remotely useful. They both seem pretty close to each other.

[lilac stag]

are you feeling ok?

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-enter-leave-bye-gif-16118048

[uneven scarab]

do i still want to play sub for undermined

[keen dome]

[haughty mural]

🔮

[keen dome]

Yes, because it glows purple and none of the other specs can glow purple.

[uneven scarab]

Very compelling tbh

[thorny rivet]

Tier set gives outlaw. Reroll

[uneven scarab]

my only other option was arms tbh anyway

[keen dome]

More evidence for the Arms warrior and Sub rogue correlation

[uneven scarab]

#make arms great again

Both very chad specs

[lilac stag]

Join me in Arms arc

[uneven scarab]

i played it all of s4 df

Went hard

i might tbh

[lilac stag]

S3 and s4

[uneven scarab]

i just am not a huge fan of the recent changes

but i love that spec

[lilac stag]

arms seems to have a way of working out. Fury changes tend to be more polarizing

idk

[plush roost]

Guys it will be fine

They'll add a random trinket on 1.30 to theatre of pain for funsies

Copium

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

Well for me, it’s we need a warrior

[keen dome]

Just make the uh, Str one? have agi on it

[uneven scarab]

i think we might also

[lilac stag]

and not 2 rogues

[plush roost]

Do we have a loot pool for the new dungeon ?

[uneven scarab]

thats my thing

warrior>rogue if i had to have one or the other in the roster

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-17148104

[uneven scarab]

No one plays rogue or warrior but me in the guild

Eternally stuck in this prison

[lusty dew]

positive, if rogue is meta next patch you have guaranteed spots

[rocky ocean]

does atrophic poison work on raid bosses? Can't find it in wowhead raid comp

[lilac stag]

We just have a history of incredibly unreliable warriors. They try to bandaid it with tank, and then you need like 5 dks for grips

what do

[uneven scarab]

Yes

[uneven scarab]

Good thing my guild has like 3 dk’s at any given time

cant find a warrior tho

[lilac stag]

2 weeks of assa pulls on Ovi and no I don’t want to play that for a tier

[uneven scarab]

I dont think i played assa once this whole tier

Proud of myself

[lilac stag]

Outlaw wrecks my arthritis

[uneven scarab]

Fully locked in on sub

[lilac stag]

I beat our assa main. Was worth it.

[uneven scarab]

[lilac stag]

I think I actually blue parsed on our prog kill which was hilarious to me

now in holiday princess prison. She should be dead. standing still is hard.

[uneven scarab]

I dont even know the last time i logged in

Poe2 on the brain only rn

[lilac stag]

god bless

[keen dome]

Hell yeah PoE2

[uneven scarab]

Its been a blast

[lilac stag]

I’m a happy islander right now.

bis content patch

[uneven scarab]

i might log just to check out the isles

[keen dome]

There's a pretty adorable dog called marmaduke on the island

[remote shuttle]

Sounds great, was looking for a wa to track leg.Skipper buffs but found Noone atm...

[sick jackal]

Chad.

[hollow spear]

I'm looking forward to keeping transmitter for s2 mythic progression

[twilit phoenix]

is there a chance that we'll have some degen gameplay

where we just continue to generate if we have fat winning streak stacks

and we have our cds coming up

[hollow spear]

Not impossible

[hollow spear]

Was the gap between 90 and 120s trinkets already that big before 11.0.5?

[hexed sluice]

Dont will this into existence

[hollow spear]

Maybe I was trying to make destiny "let us down" by coming up with a great 90s trinket

[hazy breach]

Well no because we werent a strict 90s spec

[hollow spear]

That's what I thought, but I only really started playing sub after that patch

[remote shuttle]

Time for 2x passive or 2x on use? Mean s2

[hazy breach]

Probably still transmitter

Until you get max ilvl, then maybe

The new house of cards trinket is a bit better than skardyn so its not completely accurate but a 678 skardyn sims -1.2% compared to a 639 transmitter

[remote shuttle]

So no time for 2x passives 😂 darn...

[lilac stag]

Burst spec & passives. kekw

[twilit phoenix]

lmao that's insane

are they going to give transmitter the same treatment as puzzlebox

-50% for sub rogue

[hazy breach]

Ye and then its completely useless in fated

The classic

[wind canopy]

Surely means sub gets buffs then

[remote shuttle]

Just imagine a passive extra damage effect scaling with mastery... Under flag stacks will be bursty af

[hollow spear]

Don't worry, we'll just have to play sin

[mortal bane]

So this is how I see it going. The Tier set will make us only press rupture and S&D outside of dance. But that will make us do some pretty big damage. One week in blizzard will be like sub WTF. Then will add rupture and S&D to the four piece as things that will take winning away and nerf Transmitter at the same time. You heard it here first. Enjoy the first week though. That should be fun.

[lilac stag]

I’ll take one of whatever you’re drinking

[lilac stag]

You realize we don’t press slice and dice ye?

[mortal bane]

yes but you will with the new four peice ha.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-yeah-right-big-eyes-i-dont-believe-you-gif-12376258

[alpine wraith]

most likely to happen is just you stop using evis like 10/15 secs before dance

you dont lose much as you can bank 14 sht and also refresh rupture so 21 potential cps

but if the proc rate is high enough you wont care

[lilac stag]

very engaging game play

[mortal bane]

So you only have like 20S in between dances so if you dont evis 10/15s before dance and the procrate for winning is not high would you really risk loosing the stacks with one evise after a dance? We will see of course. Really depends on how fast it stacks.

[alpine wraith]

i wish we had 20s between dances

my man

with DS you will FEEL the weight of no cdr

[warm marlin]

They said no fated for this trilogy

[jaunty heath]

Yeah there won’t be fated, it’s 3 season expansions

For the trilogy at least

[keen dome]

I'm fully expecting some kind of fated final season anyway, esp since they hinted at Legion remix.

[honest saddle]

It probably will be prepatch/legion remix that lasts a month or two rather than a season of fated

[keen dome]

I could see it being earlier pre-patch for longer, yeah.

Alternatively I guess they drop it during S3 and then into pre-patch

[lilac stag]

This.

[worn ivy]

can someone import me Deathstalker ST build

link in pin is not working for me

[molten citrus]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMWmmZGzMGGDDzMzMjxsNMzYbbmZMzMjBjlZbAAAAYGMsYWGYALglhJkZBG
this one?

that's the deathstalker raid build from wowhead, not sure if it was exactly what you were looking for

[lilac stag]

Likely. lashga is banned from wowhead

IV should have it. Eleem is keeping it updated.

[molten citrus]

You can get banned from wowhead?

Oh or is it because of country thing

[hazy breach]

Country thing ye

[clever delta]

eleem

there is known loot table of raid

or wherte did you get that trinket info

[jovial forge]

Does Raidbots apply the "behind your target" buff to backstab by default?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But like, it doesnt really matter

Backstab damage is really low either way

[void hound]

did the replicating bug get fixed or was i just get lucky

[haughty bone]

I'm looking to play some sub in keys and try it out but all my gear is crit/mast for Assasination - am i losing significant or just marginal damage by not recrafting everything into vers?

[hazy breach]

Its fine

[dry plank]

you probably wont be invited into keys thats the problem not gear xD

[haughty bone]

haha just something to freshen up farming some 10's while its a little quiet

[dry plank]

even 10th man, good luck in your adventure of course

[vale pine]

idk, assassiantion is popular enough to make rogue a decent pick for keys

[fossil dove]

Been testing casual addicts sub build that he has been using in 14-16s. I don't know the intricacies but really enjoying DS over trickster. Tornado is fun as hell

Just not sure how to perform better as far as CD timing go to prevent being a dread fish randomly

[steel zinc]

its even a meta pick and wf keys

m+ wise rogue is in a good spot

even raid rn on farm rogue is clapping

If we had the BP buffs before the tier you could have played 2 rogues on ovi like some did playing 2 DHs

[lilac stag]

We’ve found the one person that enjoys Tornado. The end is here.

[steel zinc]

I actually didnt use it

😄

[lilac stag]

The lad above you

[steel zinc]

mb its late sorry

[lilac stag]

Maybe a discord bot sent by Blizzard

To make us think everything is ok

[steel zinc]

Idk Tornado was and imo is a still meh spell considering its a talent note

An extra button should do sth cool with your class

[honest saddle]

I solved tornado a long long time ago

Make it bp instead

[lilac stag]

I’d rather it just be an aoe rupture spread

get rid of rs

Fixes two things at once

[honest saddle]

That would be good if it was like 30 sec cd

Probably good at 45 too.

[lilac stag]

45 would be fine

[honest saddle]

It just needs to be usable without being miserable

[lilac stag]

If it’s 30 make it slightly weaker than rupture. Similar to how thunderclap works

[honest saddle]

Thats why we all take veil touched instead.

Its not bad in the sense that in concept if you are a robot

Its just bad to play

[lilac stag]

DS just sucks

[honest saddle]

Mainly cdr makes it suck imo

[lilac stag]

idk how anyone finds fun with it, but some people like eating glue so idk

[honest saddle]

I mean clear the witness is fine

If you track it with wa and just treat it like a pistol shot or ambush proc

Its the lack of cdr that makes it zzz

[lilac stag]

I love pressing storm in st, almost as much as pressing backstab in aoe

I love overcapping CPs intentionally

[honest saddle]

Yeah max combo points should be 5+

Youre right

Its silly you have to do 7

[lilac stag]

It’s a poorly design tree

half baked funnel shit

Getting carried by the name and pretty icon

Shows just how bad sub base cdr is

Trickster at least fixes subs core issues to an extent

[fallow nimbus]

Sad thing is we will never have a world where we don't have to do nothing 30secs before cds

[honest saddle]

Dude its like 40+ if DS

[lilac stag]

My theory is it’s people who want 40 apm assa that think DS is awesome on sub.

[honest saddle]

I dunno anyone who likes it more than trick

Im sure they exist

looks around

I just play it cause it does dam and I wanna do big dam

[honest saddle]

Ban him perma imo

[fallow nimbus]

[lilac stag]

[fallow nimbus]

Everything in DS is a restriction

5cp for Mark consume, max cp for DN that get more max if you max your cp , debuff on target. So wierd that DN isn't a debuff

Also the autohit stuff

[twilit phoenix]

Trickster is legit perf for sub rn

Some things they can change, but DS feels way better on sin

[sullen hare]

Am I out of touch? No, it's that one child that is wrong

I honestly didn't predict the changes to sub they made to actually come out as good as they did

But I'm cautious to give blizzard a w after they gave us wax and then took it away (temporarily)

[weak oracle]

brothers, is ring do more damage than 636 ring?

[sullen hare]

Probably not right now but I do not have data to share

[weak oracle]

thanks 🙂

[small juniper]

the ring is better

definitely

[lilac stag]

Pins & Sims have your answers

[sullen hare]

Oh it really is right in the sims. Thanks folks

[wind canopy]

np

[fair stump]

That new tier set looks pretty good

Been a long time since I liked the visuals of a tier set

[tribal blade]

we arguing DS vs trickster again

[fair stump]

There's nothing to argue

Trickster is superior

DS enjoyers are masochists

And they're already playing sub, that's just another level

[steel zinc]

sim it

[lilac stag]

No. I was shocked someone actually likes Tornado.

[tribal blade]

there's no way

[tribal blade]

that button has gotten progressively worse and worse as time has gone on

i think if you like nado as a button you're not playing sub at a very high level

(no offense)

[pliant topaz]

I think its more so the illusion of the button. you press it, u spam finishers you think youre blasting

[lilac stag]

I just think someone got into the adult eggnog early.

[lilac stag]

Tea makes sub feel soooo much better outside of cds.

[pliant topaz]

similar concept

its just design failure imo that something doesnt really do what it looks like it should be doing

like its fine if something requires player to go out of their way to learn but this is not it..

[pseudo hollow]

what uhh

what build do people go for last 2 of NW

sub raid build?

[pliant topaz]

yea

[wind canopy]

You’ve changed

[pseudo hollow]

bruh i just don't wanna go 6 rounds with the adds on the last boss

[wind canopy]

Was more of referring to you playing wow and pushing keys again

[pliant topaz]

cant u MC throw cleaver dude

?

i legit dont know what theyve changed and not havnet done a key in 8 weeks now i thnk

[pseudo hollow]

well sure

but that doesn't help me

getting 1v1'd

but some dikhead

on a platform

[pseudo hollow]

i'm a weak man

[wind canopy]

i am disappoint

[tribal blade]

yeah sub is infinitely better when you get sent down

[runic kraken]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pliant topaz]

oh yeah i used to pvp that dude

kick it last second, into full kidneycinema

[pseudo hollow]

then you just get too many stacks and your team dies to a shield

cuz it takes 30s to kill it

so even if you live your group wipes

[pliant topaz]

thats why u mc the dude to insta break the shield

ez

[pseudo hollow]

i just stand in a swirly and get rezzd

when i go down

[wide magnet]

remove flagellation

[wide magnet]

tornado's fuckin awesome just costs TOO MUCH DAMN ENERGY

and it should not be a 1min cd but whatever

[pliant topaz]

not sure whats awesome about it but glad youre happy

[jaunty heath]

Tornado and awesome

What world are we living in

[tribal blade]

not sure, but it's not a world i want to be a part of

[plush roost]

Tornado is cool, just the windup gcd and mega energy cost are stinky

And the shadowcraft cp being eaten

[tribal blade]

so basically the entire way the spell works suck 😦

[plush roost]

That's the joke hehe

[tribal blade]

we're having a good run of people missing sarcasm, this time was my turn

who's next

[honest saddle]

It's time to bring back the ultimate dead horse

Coup has a charge noone wants or asked for.

Discuss...

[barren haven]

My near death experiences because of this giving me nightmares

[still quartz]

👀

[tribal blade]

get good 4head

just don't die

i mean how hard is it, i've literally never died in wow ever

[plush roost]

Nah theres no way this is the ultimate dead horse, its freshly killed, not even a year yet.

Replicating shadows however...

[tribal blade]

i wonder if we see actual rogue notes from the devs on reset

taking bets

[lilac stag]

[plush roost]

Not on reset, maybe in the new year.
"Gloomblade damage increased by 2%"
"All damage reduced by 1%"

Dev note: there stop asking me to change something the mages are starving

[tribal blade]

i'll say a prayer before bed

[vale pine]

why you hating on our boy gloomblade

[plush roost]

"Fixed a bug where secret technique clones were doing damage at max range."

Dev note: we wanted the experience in Dragonflight to match TWW. As such, with the removal of acrobatic strikes, we wanted you to feel the same pain you did when you did a max range sec tec.

[shut sonnet]

@pliant topaz nerf sub

[plush roost]

How am i hating? I BUFFED IT!

[vale pine]

gloomblade should be baseline

make backstab a pvp talent

so people who love the idea of it can talent into it

[plush roost]

Hmm then they could make lingering shadows a 2 point talent again.. how i long for my fat gloomblade crits

[vale pine]

you making it worse

maybe buff PV too

[plush roost]

And then make goremaws bite sustain lingering shadows buff for 3 casts

[vale pine]

also tornado is such a great spell, what if we change it

it now randomly uses 6 times storm over the next 12 seconds

[plush roost]

Ill only accept that if it continues to eat our shadowcraft

[vale pine]

randomly as in random interval between casts, so you never know

also rename it to surprise tornado ^^

[plush roost]

Shuriken surprise!

[vale pine]

also remove the damage from goremaws

and make it play a extremely satisfying over the top animation

so everyone wants to play it, but its even worse than it is now

[plush roost]

And the animation locks you out of gcd for 1.5 seconds

[vale pine]

oh ye, lets bring back the animation lock for black powder

0.5 sec animation lock every cast

[plush roost]

Hell ya

[vale pine]

haha

jokes aside, i hope we see some small chanegs and qol improvements

bugfixes would be great too

[plush roost]

A singular crumb, a drip of bugfixing pls sir

Even just the replicating bug, or the 7 stack sht not filling my bar

[lilac stag]

Bug Fixes, or a 90 second agility trinket? Choose one.

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-panic-gif-8720514262649309419

[sick jackal]

Ill play it if that happens

[alpine wraith]

yea have to fly in the sky and then come down oh

[vale pine]

why not both

[vale pine]

haha ^^

[sick jackal]

too much

[sick jackal]

Oh no

[sick jackal]

Dance macabre was optional anyways

[vale pine]

haha

one of the strong capstones

[alpine wraith]

i still have the old pasta from df

(dance+sepsis)-bp-(mfd sec tech) strike evis storm er evis for guaranteed with tier big evis boi

big 8 stacker good times

[lilac stag]

You only get 1. Not enough resources available.

[vale pine]

[keen dome]

Maybe we can have both. If one trinket isn't for us and we use it anyway

[alpine wraith]

get the big boix

[keen dome]

My favourite bug this patch is them adding iLevel to lockboxes somehow.

[vale pine]

lol

[keen dome]

I have tried many, many things to upgrade it. But alas.

Reminds me of that guy from DF who got bugged and ended up with iLevels on everything he had. Including his hearthstone

[vale pine]

lol

[sick jackal]

dont equip it might bind to you xd

[keen dome]

Gonna build a suit of armour made out of lockboxes

[rocky ocean]

why does sim press shuriken storm here? That's st scenario

[alpine wraith]

if that is DS storm or strike is almost the same because of witness

actually storm does more damage on average

[stiff stirrup]

Is dark brew the best build if we wanna play deathstalkers mark for m+?

[keen dome]

A christmas miracle, Brann didn't drive me insane while doing this.

[tribal blade]

i should get started on doing that too

[tribal blade]

not necessarily the best, but it's good

[fallow nimbus]

I ignored brann and then it was easy

[keen dome]

I kept getting him sub-20% as Trickster and dying (Shout out to charge into frontal thanks Coup) and then took him down in one go as Deathstalker. The biggest issue I had was the weirdness on spittal. Sometimes it'd go on Brann and not me, but with no way to tell beforehand. Or i'd cleanse it and then he'd use his cleanse on me after i removed the debuff, etc.

[tribal blade]

playing with brann is like trying to do a key with someone who's like 500 IO and does weekly 2s

[keen dome]

That's not true, I can talk to them.

[tribal blade]

LOL true

i just realized he always does the opposite of what i want

like when i want him to be close (because i've tricksed him) he's running and kiting non stop

and when i want him to be far away (because i'm looting stuff) he starts hugging my nuts

[fallow nimbus]

Was funny when brann left the group at the first wipe back then

[keen dome]

I kept having him leave my group on vanish today

But it didn't do anything negative in the fight, just a funny visual bug

[tribal blade]

how hard is it still? do i actually have to prep for this

[keen dome]

I also like how he constantly dies to the spike AoE thing in P2

[keen dome]

took me 12 tries at 635 to kill him. Like 3 - 4 to learn the fight and then the rest to just play better and then one to swap to DS and kill him

[fallow nimbus]

Had the same a few weeks ago but was just stealthing at some wierd part of a delve. He left and rejoined constantly

[keen dome]

Most frustrating bit, by far, is sitting around for a minute for cooldowns.

[tribal blade]

ah ok, sounds way better than what it looked like before

i watched critcake do countless wipes on it

and he's a rank 1 player

[keen dome]

Yeah. Save a symbols+dance per add spawna nd it's just "survive until boss dies"

[fallow nimbus]

Kick the heal

[keen dome]

And cloak / vanish the spittal

[fallow nimbus]

Trust Brann for dispell

[keen dome]

I had the best luck on: Cloak the first i fit's on me -> let Brann remove the second -> vanish the third -> cloak back up

[fallow nimbus]

Dodge the orbs

[tribal blade]

oh why did you find it easier as DS

what changed

[keen dome]

Keeping potion pot pickups rolling is good because you are effectively immortal against boss melee if you're rolling the healing buff from Brann (Goes to 4, picking 1 up resets the 12s buff duration)

[keen dome]

DN up for add spawn -> DN on killing it to hit boss for a massive crit. Also more rolling damage from cleaving

[tribal blade]

ahhhh makes sense

[keen dome]

I didn't need burst so much as consistent damage.

Basically went: Burst on pull which took him to around 65% -> kill add -> push to P2. Wait for burst and push him to 10%. Then just survive. Managing the add, the heal kick and not doing and he falls over.

[tribal blade]

yeah that's an issue with trickster

complete wet noodle w/o dance+symbols

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah boss dies if you can keep up with add spawns

[keen dome]

Being able to kill the add egg in 3 - 4s makes life a lot easier as you can reliably get away if he frontals

[tribal blade]

yeah that was one of the most frequent things i saw kill critcake

that and the frontal. going out onto the egg

and the egg spawning in the cubby

[keen dome]

He's 99% damage reduced during the phase change, so you can just use him to get CDR back on dance.

It's a fun challenge made worse by the RNG of Brann imo.

Reminded me a lot of the brawlers guild but with less tight design

[tribal blade]

haha i remember the brawler's guild

[keen dome]

modern sub versus the brawlers guild would be funny

I had Brann on healer (mandatory) and found the extra pot drop relic and the light touched idol gave me the most consistent survivability

[tribal blade]

there were some tough fights in the brawler's guild

[keen dome]

Yeah, I loved it. Did all of it when it was current.

Some of my favourite content in WoW. The social aspect of it and watching other people attempt the fights.

[tribal blade]

it looks like the highest i got was rank 9 during a season

that was either the highest or 2nd highest, not sure

iirc rank 10 was highest

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

i think i got 9 and then gave up

[keen dome]

Or, no. 7, 8 and 8 I think

Yeah, Rank 7? 8? for MoP and then 8 for WoD and Legion

I hope they bring it back as evergreen content

[steel zinc]

Imo they should like they do with old dungeons recycle old content

Like make it fresh again. Like they did with magetower

You should littarly go out in the world and just find content that is old but still kinda relavant (Transmog) like they do with old raids.

[keen dome]

Ye, I'm a big fan of that kind of stuff too

Although I still think they should bring the old weapon skin rewards back to the mage tower

[tribal blade]

looks like this is the highest one i have

[keen dome]

Nice

2014

[tribal blade]

yeah this kind of content is so awesome

[keen dome]

[tribal blade]

haha it's too bad this is my... 4th account

i would have so many more achieves if i could consolidate all the accounts i lost

[keen dome]

Alas 😦

[tribal blade]

1st account i was sharing with the guy who introduced me to wow

2nd shared with my brother

3rd got hacked

and this is my 4th

it makes me so sad i can't link all the old school achieves i had back in the day

like leveling up all the weapon skills, etcs

[keen dome]

Yeah, I'm always a bit sad I only started in Cata

[tribal blade]

oh shit you missed all the best wow content haha

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

vanilla>wotlk was an incredible time

it was truly the pinnacle of wow

[keen dome]

Hey I got to experience posion consumables you had to craft.

And combo points on enemies (which changed in MoP iirc)

[tribal blade]

true!

dude you would love this

[keen dome]

and hit and expertise

[round latch]

cata was also a nice expansion

[tribal blade]

back in the day energy used to tick every 20

[keen dome]

god we had a tank in MoP who'd just stack stamina and was never hit/exp capped

[tribal blade]

so the only addon i had was to track energy ticks

because if you timed it properly you would open up on an enemy and get an instant energy tick

[round latch]

was called ''energy watch''

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

when did they get rid of spell resist

in the early days of wow it was actually crazy how much stuff resisted

[round latch]

think it was cata

the resist thingy

[tribal blade]

like you would try to be casting spells on a red mob

and it was impossible

[round latch]

its when mages trully start farming warlocks

yup

thats cata iirc

[tribal blade]

i played fire mage during vanilla

[keen dome]

Haha, damn

[tribal blade]

which was such a dumb move

because half the shit in the end game was completely immune to fire damage

[keen dome]

I remmeber using SliceAdmiral for most of Cata and MoP.

[tribal blade]

that sounds vaguely familiar

[round latch]

nax and aq was fine for fire,scorch build

ive played rogue,since vanilla

[tribal blade]

once i started playing my buddy's rogue that became my new main

i loved it

[keen dome]

nothing else feels like Rogue, it's wild

Just such a unique feeling class.