subtlety

[vestal escarp]

Trickster inctivizes you to press sectec on your dry symbols which is nice

Bursts higher, etc

[plush roost]

Tru that.

On ingara today i ended fight at 2.93m with DS

Whats trickster lookin like

[bleak wind]

@small juniper since you asked about mists, I am also doing only 10s for vault and its usually around 2.0-2.3mil as trickster with pugs

[small juniper]

what ilvl

[bleak wind]

around 635+

[small juniper]

nice

[bleak wind]

haven't really tried deathstalker after the buffs though, pretty much doing one key a week these last weeks

[small juniper]

yeah i have to do 8 keys else i get guilt tripped by guild

[bleak wind]

are you raiding again

[small juniper]

ye

[spiral marsh]

Does supercharger + forced induction make my next 2 finishers after symbols act as if they consumed 3 additional combo points? I'm a bit confused as to how it works

[glacial tartan]

Supercharger makes you effectively have 9 combo points then 8 when you use Symbols.

So when you use Symbols, your first finisher you use consume 9 total. Then your second will use 8.

[bleak wind]

no no

[spiral marsh]

So what does forced induction do?

[bleak wind]

it works exactly like that yes

[glacial tartan]

Wait, doesn't Force Induction only increase the damage, not act as another combo point?

[bleak wind]

adding another cp is effectively increasing the damage

[wind canopy]

No.

That’s ER you’re probably thinking.

[bleak wind]

but it just makes the bonus cp form +2 to +3

[spiral marsh]

gotcha gotcha, ty! When I first read it a while back, I thought it would only charge the one finisher right after symbols but its great to hear it charges the next 2 🙂

[hazy breach]

It does act as another combo point too, so it gives extra cdr and energy from relentless strikes etc

More damage and more cdr

Its very cool

[bleak wind]

ye wording is a bit weird with supercharges a combo point is probably just left from echoing reprimand, might as well be a buff on your character

[glacial tartan]

Ohh okay. I misunderstood the wording. My bad.

The way Forced Induction is wrote it makes it seem it only adds bonus damage then consumes 1 supercharged point.

[spiral marsh]

Also TIL Coup is a charge? lmao

[hazy breach]

Ye for some reason

[glacial tartan]

Not going to lie, the wording sometimes is the opposite of what somethings do x3.

[spiral marsh]

snapshot of aoe priority finishers during dance for context;

Does Coup take priority over BP no matter what after sectec?

And is BP really that strong to avoid using nimble fury eviscerate cleave??

[wind canopy]

Forced induction seems pretty straightforward. Increase the bonus by 1.

[hazy breach]

Yes coup prio

And yes BP does silly damage now that theyve buffed it twice

one 35% and then a 20%'

Makes it big strong

[spiral marsh]

thats actually wild wtf haha

[warm aspen]

holy shit i knew it

i was thinking

didnt they buff bp like this once already

lmao

[spiral marsh]

It's nice to know that at least with Nimble fury, things like auto-attacks and backstab/strike do cleave too even if BP is dominant with 5+ targets haha

[hazy breach]

Strikes does big damage ye

But its also fine to evis sometimes even if you have more if you care a lot about the priority damage

[spiral marsh]

Gotcha gotcha, appreciate the help from u and everyone else 🙂

Btw, I did find a "workaround" to that macro I talked about with ya prior, the one where its "safe" to spam without burning all symbols charges

[glacial tartan]

When I was thinking bonus for it, I was thinking the damage from Supercharge, not the combo itself in my defense.

[wind canopy]

Sure.

I guess

[vapid vessel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[jaunty heath]

Is there a problem with my stats please ?

I don't reach the top dps % on warcraft logs but I think I'm doing fine tho now

[tribal blade]

it's not enough, BP needs another 35%

we need to get to the point where it's stronger than evis

and then evis becomes the coup button

[hazy breach]

Yep yep

[small juniper]

buddy youre 12-13 ilvls too low

[jaunty heath]

Ok thank you, I'll get that first then

[small juniper]

np

[snow nacelle]

does Nimble flurry give combo points aswell? tried look through pins and WoWhead rotation doesnt seem like it changing aoe rotation at all

[hazy breach]

It does not give any combo points

But it does change your rotation a bit

[snow nacelle]

How so?

[hazy breach]

Because you want to strike in your dance

But outside of dance you still storm because the cp is worth more than the backstab damage

And on 4 or less targets you want to eviscerate in aoe

[snow nacelle]

That's kinda what I was assuming I just didn't wanna be wrong

Still BP in aoe?

Nm yall talked about that while ago I scrolled up

[hazy breach]

@tribal blade I timed another key and this time i remember to record it too

Although sound got scuffed so i removed it

[tribal blade]

HUUUUUUGE

very excited

you can overlay music to it if there's no sound 😉

[hazy breach]

Cba finding music for the entire thing, i just send it raw without any sound

Now ive fixed it so it should have ingame sounds next time

[tribal blade]

there's gonna be a bunch of people thirsty over this

btw which key was it?

[hazy breach]

Cot16

[tribal blade]

ooooo nice

[small juniper]

eleem becoming a youtuber

[hazy breach]

The timelines are converging in a very odd way ye

[wind canopy]

Remember me when you become a big time content creator

[tribal blade]

because he's the hero ravenholdt deserves

[small juniper]

next thing u know hes doing vault opening videos

talking about weekly affixes

[hazy breach]

I aint copying Dr. Atnos

Hes got that niche covered

[small juniper]

he was once in your position

never say never buddy

[hazy breach]

Absolutely not interested in starting a turf war with him

[small juniper]

i reckon u could take him

[hazy breach]

You underestimate the Dr

[small juniper]

u underestimate yourself

[hazy breach]

The man has played a court of stars with ye, trump and joe biden

Aint no way i could compete with that

[small juniper]

fair point, hes got u beat on that 1

[tepid trellis]

i missed this

[small juniper]

get used to it buddy

[tepid trellis]

np

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach start doing those kidnap key videos

get into someone's +2 with a premade

and slip in one of your 10s

give em a free 10 vault for a week, super wholesome and funny content

[spiral marsh]

does this apply to both in-dance and out-of-dance? I feel like the answer is yes (assuming flawless form is active) but I'm paranoid lol

[hazy breach]

Yes

[spiral marsh]

Also, is it expected behavior that Coup does not give/extend slice?

[hazy breach]

I would say no, but who knows

[spiral marsh]

It's like a quality of life i'd really appreciate lol

[hazy breach]

Yep

[tribal blade]

get outta here with that common sense

[upbeat sorrel]

this sounds like banger content

[sinful sluice]

does simcraft take account of sureki neckless versatility on its calcuations?

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ashen crest]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[lilac stag]

Should. You can look at the auras /buffs

[sinful sluice]

cant really decide whether i should use 639 sureki neckless or to use 626 court neck

sims says heroic court is better but not sure how much sureki's side effects helps the raid

[honest saddle]

it's a lot of mana

about 150k per fight

if they dont have mana issues, it's useless

you're giving a healer 400 vers

so if you are in reclear or your healers never have issues

it's kinda pointless

if you were able to buff random dps with it, everyone would want to wear it

[sinful sluice]

we are doing 3rd phase rn never cleared before

i guess ill just stick with sureki then, think i heard someone saying smt about mana yesterday

[tribal blade]

i think 639 sureki is unironically not bad if you play DS

just for ST DS

[sinful sluice]

im running trickster for court

is DS any good here?

nvm stupid question

[tribal blade]

nah DS seems kinda troll on court because you have to juggle the mark

on trickster you can freely swap targets whenever

i feel like blizz might redesign DS because i've heard from low to high level rogues alike they really despise how mark works

my guildie came back to the game for a few weeks and was playing sin, and his immediate thing he msged me was "wtf i hate deathstalker, this is so bad"

"why can't they make it so you apply the mark with any single target builder regardless of stealth"

[sinful sluice]

yeah even if juggling marks isnt irritating, i feel like im losing so much dmg if i take ds in two target bosses

[tribal blade]

i think BP does decent damage on 2 target now

[stray plank]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[stray plank]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Cooldown Breakdown Spreadsheet - by Stealthi
Website visualizing top logs - lorrgs.io

[stray plank]

how do you avoid going dry on dance charges now with death perception? you used to just send on every symbols but it seems like that doesnt work now

[tepid trellis]

You play around sectech cd and make sure you always have enough to get 2x dance and 2x symbols during flag

[stray plank]

do you need to track nimble flurry uptime or does it maintain itself?

[vale pine]

it mostly maintains itself

if you want to min/max

you can track it and use backstab to get it up again if it drops

it does not happen much tho

[stray plank]

gotcha

[tribal blade]

you can track it by looking at flawless form

if flawless is up- you're nimbling

[sinful sluice]

saw 25% on court

ahhhhhhhh

cant kill this thing...

[digital aspen]

hey key enjoyers, been meaning to give sub a shot at m+... what have you found is the preferred hero tree, and if trickster, is there a new rule for BP usage on specific target counts?

[tribal blade]

we had a 3.89% wipe the other night

hope to god we kill it tomorrow

[sinful sluice]

Damn

But the sad thing is we dont get to try another for 2 weeks

Some ppl cant make it on raid day

[tribal blade]

that's tragic

[sinful sluice]

End of the year, ppl are too busy

I have finals coming as well

[hazy breach]

5 or more, but you gotta have find weakness up so pretty much every dance has to be strike >sectech > storm (to apply fw with rotten) > BP spam

[digital aspen]

that makes sense, so i reckon you re playing trickster Eleem?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[digital aspen]

i see, gonna have to recraft some gear from assa, but should make it work... dslice still good to sim for keys?

[hazy breach]

Its alright ye, but id recommend tfd over wm

The resets from tfd aint working in dslice

[digital aspen]

i see

gonna give it a go, thanks for the tips

and farm hero ritual knife i guess

[hazy breach]

Its not that big of a deal

[digital aspen]

yeah i know, just dont have any other decent sub trinket

[hazy breach]

Crystal or spyglass are both fine

[digital aspen]

yeah i might just use those at 626

along with transmitter

[hazy breach]

Transmitter is the thing that matters

[digital aspen]

maybe mandates for some specific dungeons? (SV for skarmorak)??

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt

You have enough burst for it anyway

And no passive agility screws you over

[digital aspen]

yeah fair enough, im overcooking a bit

wish skardyns had some use for sub, sitting at 639 on my bags

[woeful stream]

ive been only playing keys with DS should i learn trickster or just stick to whats comfortable for me which is DS

[digital aspen]

depends on the key levels you re doing and your goals i guess?

i dont think the difference is that crazy though, so probably stick to what you like the most

[woeful stream]

ty aslong im not super trolling by going ds imma stick to it

[hazy breach]

It is not super trolling no

Theyre both good

[sinful sluice]

https://ko.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qVbxky71KZ3rtHdP#fight=159&type=casts&view=timeline&source=13

Can i get any feedbacks on my court run?

Wanna do more dmg

[tribal blade]

i'm not good at reading logs, but you're doing webs right? which phases are you doing webs

also which team are you on, and is that side the pad side

[sinful sluice]

Red team, im doing every webs

[tepid trellis]

if he is doing webs he would be on red side

[tribal blade]

ah ok, because we have only our ranged doing webs in P1

yeah if you're doing webs you're boned on parsing right

[sinful sluice]

I maintain ~2M dps until first dispel but i start to fall off hard afterwards

Idk when i can do dmg honestly

Have to run around so much

What im doing is to just save every cds and then use it on second intermission barrier

[tribal blade]

if you're losing a lot of uptime doing webs it's hard to parse

i have to do webs in P3 and it tanks my damage

as well as being on the side that doesn't get to pad aoe on adds or bosses stacked

[sinful sluice]

Damn

I dont care much about parsing

But im afraid that we can’t skip 3-3 dispel

Heard that makes a huge difference in difficaulty

Our dmg seem to be not enough to skip it tho…

[tepid trellis]

being on red team is just rough in general

for last phase

you've got quite alot of downtime

and you sorta lose out on 1 dmg amp in p2 depending on how ethically your guild does it

[tribal blade]

i lose a damage amp from moving yeah

[hazy breach]

You can cloak and still hit it during the amp

[tribal blade]

also i do basically no add damage because not on the pad side

it looks like you're also not on the pad side @sinful sluice

[sinful sluice]

Yeah

[tepid trellis]

i get yelled at if i do that sir

[sinful sluice]

I just wanna kill this thing asap

[tepid trellis]

i need to fuck off to the stanky legs boss

[sinful sluice]

Its been like what, 3 weeks now

[hazy breach]

Once the frontal has gone out you dont need to be at the stanky legs until like 6+ seconds after the amp has ended

Smh my head

[sinful sluice]

And we play 12 hours per week

[tribal blade]

just focus on mechanics if you can't parse

[sinful sluice]

So its almost 30 hours in court jail…

Yeah i barely make any mistakes

[tepid trellis]

yeah we dip before the frontal happens to bait it away

[sinful sluice]

Good that rouge is kinda hard to die in this boss

I feel like Theres no dangerous points

[tepid trellis]

my best run is just shy of 2mil dps on the boss and i got assissnated on the last dmg amp by a blue boi

[tribal blade]

i find it legit horrible trying to parse on court the way it's set up on my raid, best to just put it out of your mind

[fallow nimbus]

Dmg stop?

[tribal blade]

only answer is to go back in time and ask your RL to put you on the other side

[sinful sluice]

I have shit parse anyway

For other bosses as well

[tribal blade]

mine are pretty bad on deep pulls too

nothing i can do

[fallow nimbus]

I dodged that fight, other rogue is team red and plays web

[sinful sluice]

I have orange parses on assa that i barely play on

But my sub logs are ….

💀

Gotta think and plan really well to parse on this talent i guess

[hazy breach]

Idk the way we do it nobody is gonna get hit by the frontal anyway, it just covers all of the space where red would be able to hit the amped boss

[sinful sluice]

I hope i can use DS for court & queen as well

Or they remove coup dash

Either way is fine

Ovinax DS build felt really nice with shuriken tornado tho

[tribal blade]

i thought i was fucking the fight up because i would start out topping the meters by quite a bit

and then as the fight progressed just start dropping off in a big way

until i looked into it and realized the entire thing is set up so i can't parse haha

/gun

[tepid trellis]

yeah i dont trust people to not walk through the boss after the frontal is gone

when they have been used to red being at the other boss

[shell bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

It’s not that challenging to stay in melee range… as melee.

[tepid trellis]

ok you go do mythic ansurek with sudden boss movements due to the amount of blades that spawn and come back to me after that

or the fact that you cant use coup while doing the essential P1 mechanic whichs is jumping over waves

cuz it yoinks you back down

[lilac stag]

I’m not saying it’s a wonderful design to the ability. spamming abilities gets you in trouble. Not shocking.

I fuck it up. It’s me.

[vale pine]

The charge mechanic is just punishing, there is just not enough benefit to it to have it

[tepid trellis]

im standing in melee range, our tank moves the boss 1 inch out of it, i now get yoinked into a web blade

[lilac stag]

it’s dumb I agree.

You don’t have to worry about parry, standing on tank for movement not an option?

[tepid trellis]

not always possible

[lilac stag]

What is preventing that with blades out?

[tepid trellis]

one of them happens with an explosion

and if you have done a jump pop

before

it kills you

[lilac stag]

can just do the mechanic at this point no? That one to two gcd gonna ruin your prog kill?

[tepid trellis]

you expect to be in melee and nothing happens

boss does a yank cuz of tanks moving

you get yoinked with it

is not okay

[lilac stag]

Well something is happening if tank is moving

[tepid trellis]

there is a reason it was removed from everything else in the game

cuz melee range is fcking finnicky

[lilac stag]

yeah because they didn’t have the cool coup animation.

[tepid trellis]

raging blow charge had a better animation

and it got thousands of warriors killed on Halondrus

[lilac stag]

sarcasm

It’s sarcasm

[wild hornet]

I think its good

Fyralath's charge saved my ass countless times i.e.

[tepid trellis]

not the same thing

you choose when to use that

[vale pine]

i died to it more times than i found it relevant

it safed my ass once in the timewalking raid

[tepid trellis]

imagine if it replaced devine storm on templars

at random proc rate

and wasent just a stand alone button press

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach oh i'm stupid, i didn't realize your video was up already!

probably can't finish watching it tonight, but i'm looking forward to it

[round latch]

what video?

what is eleem hiding

Mr @hazy breach u did a guide or something?Cant find anything,gief link plz

[hazy breach]

Eleemz on youtube

[round latch]

Same for twitch aight?

basicly nvm gonna sniff you out

[jaunty heath]

Eleemtube

Brb subbing and belling

[round latch]

The guide is pretty poggers,goes slow global after global explaining

[stray plank]

Yeah when to send blades based on dance CD is nice

[wide magnet]

wrong

at a certain point it is absolutely up to the developers to design the game properly

melee is designed around spamming abilities, so it shouldn’t punish you

it’s a bad gameplay loop and carries no intent

not to mention there is no thematic element to the ninja spec doing blade rush so idk

[sullen hare]

I honestly feel like we wouldn't be having this conversation if they hadn't taken my boy acro away

[lilac stag]

you're playing the game based on the ruleset established by the developers. you know what the ability does. you use it and you end up dead, short of an actual bugged interaction, that was your decision making to press the ability at that moment in time. they didn't randomly change the rules for the ability when you decided to press evis/coup.

the design aspect, and whatever you feel is good or bad is subjective based on the players. sub clearly has many design flaws. yet we're still here.

[lone ore]

i think im missing something about elemental focus lens. why are the top rogues running it when it's only doing 0.93% of their dps

[sullen hare]

Because all embellishments suck basically

[lilac stag]

it's the best of shit options

you could argue 2x vers better, but most went with a dagger craft

[sullen hare]

I hope you weren't looking for a more nuanced answer because unfortunately that's just how it is

[lone ore]

wouldnt even ascendence be better than focus lens

[lilac stag]

sim them, it doesnt matter in the grand sceme of things

[sullen hare]

At the end of the day an embellishment is better than none though

[lone ore]

i just thought outlaw ran it assuming it worked with bladeflurry but wasnt sure why for sub

thanks for the replies

[lilac stag]

they run it for the same reason we do

i think assa slowly swapped over to crit x2

but again it's whatever

[sullen hare]

Unless something has changed threads default sim for 40% uptime so if your uptimes are significantly higher they can pull ahead but that's basically it I think

[lilac stag]

a lot of the fights you can hit 60-80% uptime

but yea sim default is lower

[hazy breach]

Because the other embellishments are worth 0.7%

[clever delta]

rekilling queen be like xdd

[fair stump]

I've seen more rogues as of lately

[worn cape]

I mostly see sin rogues tho

[digital aspen]

got a question about Evasion.. is the DR from Elusiveness additive to the magic DR of Bait and Switch? for example, with elusiveness+bait and switch, does Evasion give 40% DR to magic damage?

[hazy breach]

Multiplicative

So its 36% roughly

[wide magnet]

true and real

[wide magnet]

doesn’t matter

we can’t make the game good

only developers can

on an individual level sure it can be your fault, i don’t care and im sure nobody really cares

but to put all culpability for failure of a bad mechanic entirely on the players is a disease that only players seem to have?

and not even particularly good players

you can learn to play around something perfectly but this does not make it a good mechanic and you can still be unhappy with it

i think the coup de grace charge mechanic is the poster child for a bad mechanic

nobody asked for it, it’s not thematic, it doesn’t enable sub in any way, it’s not outlined in the tooltip at all

[warm marlin]

charges in general are just not great in wow because the hitboxes are so variable. coup is probably the worst of them because it's a proc on a normal ability but charges on other melee (felblade, hunt) are notorious for killing players

[wide magnet]

agreed

[warm marlin]

if it were easier to see exactly where you would be charging to maybe

[wide magnet]

on abilities where the charge is guaranteed i think it’s ok bc its thematic, opaque, and there’s a general understanding in the way you play wow that you will just die to random shit

still suboptimal

boss hitboxes should be opaque probably

er i guess like explicit

think drawing a circle for the exact boundary of an entity’s hitbox is a good idea

[warm marlin]

almost like these are already in the game they just dont line up with hitbox always for some reason

very odd

[wide magnet]

hehe

those are to indicate positionals more than hitbox but even then

the front facing arrow is not sufficiently clear enough

there are a lot of ways the wow team could improve mechanic clarity i think

[warm marlin]

im talking about the red circle beneath your targeted mob

[wide magnet]

yeah that’s positional

there’s an arrow at the front to indicate where the entity is facing

[warm marlin]

genuinely had no idea

[round latch]

uve created quite the hype 😂

no competition n stuff

[lilac stag]

People pining for DFA for multiple expansions. Blizzard gives players a non flying version of it, with an animation we didn’t know existed because we’re always trying to avoid the charge. Wait that’s not what we wanted.

Like most thing revolving around sub, the spec is still raw and only partially cooked. Welcome to numerically one of the least played and least popular specs.

@final wasp

@tepid raven

[final wasp]

What the fuck

[lilac stag]

thanks boss

[void hound]

daily reminder to remove coup dash

[stiff stirrup]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[digital aspen]

thanks eleem

[fair stump]

^

I've died a couple of times due to that

[vale pine]

I never died to it on queen, it 100% did not charge me into a web or other deadly stuff.
Coup wouldn't do that to me.

[hazy breach]

Ye me too

Would never happen to me

[void hound]

explaining to your raid leader why your death is caused by a janky capstone interaction

[sinful sluice]

Why did you not break ovinax eggs?

“Theres a ability called coup and it has…”

[lilac stag]

save coup for adds. Lessons learned.

[reef ore]

Good evening What is the order of the stats one says versatility/mastery the others say mastery/ versatility Ty for help 🫡

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

[reef ore]

Ok thx

[left ledge]

Mastery to be cool

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach question

[hazy breach]

answer

[tribal blade]

how are you so cool

(i'm watching the CoT)

[left ledge]

#subtlety message

[tribal blade]

we're all cool?

[left ledge]

[sick jackal]

so true

[hazy breach]

Mastery to make the new ring good

(it still sucks regardless, but for when they inevitably buff it by 100% its gonna be good)

Prob more like 50% or something, but its real shite right now

[gritty knot]

Where can I watch that holy CoT +16 video? And does it have some blackmarket chest unboxing stuff in it too I hope

[hazy breach]

It does not have any gambling related material in it

[gritty knot]

Sadge

Where can I watch it?

[hazy breach]

Youtube, my name with a z added at the end

[gritty knot]

Nice thx

I am fkn confused but I don't play sub with aug often tbh. How tf did ur dmg go to 7 million DPS in 2nd pull without CDs up

😂

[hazy breach]

You get a buff from the clone stuff in city

And then its just big pad on the smallies with a big cb sectech

[pliant flame]

i wanna learn sub so bad, but it seems so confusing to start out after coming from assass

[short radish]

its fine, don't be scared

sub is easier than it actually seems

and i'll argue that it's easier than assi once you get the flow of things

you have what it seems like a lot of cooldowns to manage

but you really only need to worry about symbols and sdance

because you always press blades and flag basically on cooldown together (not exactly together but almost same time)

90% of the time you sectech off cooldown

and when you sectech you press symbols and dance

so the only real thing you're tracking is waiting for sectech to come off cooldown

then thinking "do I send this with a dance or just naked symbols"

[hazy breach]

Most of the "baseline" power of the spec just comes from doing your big burst window correctly, if you master that then you can start thinking about the minmaxes of squeezing as many other cds inbetween the big burst

But getting the burst window (aka + ) down is gonna get you most of the way there

[short radish]

💯

and the buttons you press in burst is pretty much the same every time

[wide magnet]

that's every spec

no spec has thematics

[pliant flame]

could i macro the 2 so i don’t have to press them at the same time?

[wide magnet]

sadly

yeah you can do that but it's not technically correct

he just means they are both 1.5 minute cooldowns

so you always use them in tandem

i.e. just going off of how the spells work

flagellation gives you stacks of %mastery buff based on how many combo points you've spent

so it wants your first global in this window to be spending combo points

buttons that spend combo points are losing out on half of the value of shadow blades, which is that shadow blades makes all builders generate 7 cp

which, if you macro it to flagellation, means you're spending 2 globals without this value

[pliant flame]

ah so it’s similar to how shiv and kingsbane works with assass

they work well together but not right after one another

[wide magnet]

correct

[short radish]

attaboy

you used to be able to macro them together

but they changed it to be slightly mroe scuffed

[pliant flame]

sucks all my gear is geared for assass, got tons of crit and haste, almost no mastery

time to grind for a new gearset

[short radish]

its fine

just craft 2 rings

and court neck or something

[tribal blade]

COURT IS DEAD

[short radish]

Gzgzgz

Glhf queen

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

let's see how shit my parse was

pretty bad, who gives a shit

[short radish]

kills a kill

reckon you get queen before christmas?

[tepid trellis]

Queen should take a bit over a week depending on how much u raid

[tribal blade]

mmmmm possibly, probably not i think

my raid team isn't exactly full of the best players ever

[short radish]

wym, you're with them

[tribal blade]

interesting, the nerfs were that impactful huh

[woeful barn]

When it crits on the damage amp

[short radish]

its made p1 a lot more consistent

(p1 will still be teh least consistent part of the fight)

[tribal blade]

i think we get a decent amount of raid nights before christmas break

[short radish]

you could probably kill it in 6 nights

[tribal blade]

funny you say that, we have exactly 6 raid nights before christmas break

[short radish]

i reckon queen is easier to prog than court

or at least less tilting

[tribal blade]

i don't think any boss could be as tilting to prog as court

[short radish]

namely it's not really an issue if someone dies until p2

ikr

court has so many things that can just go wrong

[tribal blade]

the thing that tilted me the most was being killed by other people

[tepid trellis]

Took us a week and a half before them so yeah I’d hope so

[tribal blade]

i think your guild is a wee bit better than mine haha

and by wee bit, i mean a LOT

[pallid ingot]

Quick question
Trying to learn sub rogue and wanted to comare logs with other subs, i noticed that some like never use black powder, even after the buff, is there a reason for it?

[tribal blade]

is it on raid fights?

the reason people would not use BP and instead evis and cleave with nimble is they want to do more prio damage

pressing BP is more pad damage

[pallid ingot]

M+

[tribal blade]

same reasoning, might be trying to do more prio

[pallid ingot]

Hm okay

[tribal blade]

or legit might not even know about the new target count for pressing BP

[pallid ingot]

5+ right

[tribal blade]

yeah at 5 for trickster

but if it's a pull with a big prio mob, it can be worth to full evis

lower overall dam, but it's more ethical

[pallid ingot]

Ty for explaining

[tribal blade]

no worries!

[lilac stag]

ethics ain’t a thing anymore. pump

[tepid trellis]

so my ethics classes were all lies?

[lilac stag]

from an American pov, yes

locality may play a role.

[tribal blade]

hell yeah brother

[round latch]

Its subjective and racoons shouldnt care

[vale pine]

doing what is the best action to kill the boss = ethical

[vestal escarp]

If you're a true yellow ninja you can wield ethcal as a weapon for post key flame

"check dmg on miniboss"

"check dmg on drakes"

"chekc dmg on necromancers"

[tribal blade]

once again on queen CN rogues using skardyn's

[hollow spear]

what's the rationale behind that?

(please make it sound positive, because I still don't have a transmitter)

[tribal blade]

for court it sort of made a bit of sense, but not sure about queen

i don't think it's better no

if you're not holding cds for long enough to warrant using a 2 min trink, it means it basically becomes a 3 min cd trink

[vestal escarp]

Skadryn's burst is weaker

[vale pine]

probably fight timings, 2 min trinkets don't make a lot of sense else.
You are probably even better off playing transmitter as a 2 min.

[tribal blade]

yeah transmitter is good as a 2 min trink

like sin uses it as a 2 min trink

i think it technically sims slightly better for sin

than skardyn's

[vestal escarp]

Even on court, the 3k constant agility from skadryn might sound nice but you dont really use it

Same for queen

Downtime as sub on those bosses is real

[vale pine]

its very close, so no reason to use the more annoying one

[tribal blade]

for court i could kinda see it, queen nah

[alpine wraith]

but the haste!

it gives so much energy!

[hollow spear]

It's weird how they develop different "metas" though

[tribal blade]

true! that's why i only use transmitter as sub

[hollow spear]

It's not like their fight timings are any different

[alpine wraith]

it is not metas they just pad and get externals that are hidden etc

they literally pay to log

[tribal blade]

my precious

it might honestly be they don't want to deal with transmitter

[lilac stag]

DS or Trick?

[tribal blade]

there's like 1 top sub rogue on CN who uses it, and then they all copy him

[tribal blade]

uhhhh good point lemme see

[lilac stag]

Transmitter and DS can fuck off

[hollow spear]

DS on queen?

[lilac stag]

Sure why not

[tribal blade]

trickster

[vestal escarp]

Ds on queen is a pad declaration

[lilac stag]

sounds like don’t want to be arsed

I can appreciate that

[tribal blade]

yeah i can honestly see why you wouldn't want to deal with it

but i'm pretty used to it by now

[lilac stag]

fwiw orc still top dog and you turn it into a 3 min racial

[tribal blade]

i think i'm gonna play trickster on queen just for parry protection

and also trickster is more fun

[tepid trellis]

thats not how DS works tho

[tribal blade]

oh literally noone is using DS on queen haha

[tepid trellis]

i have

but we didn't log that week

[lilac stag]

They don’t get the tech

[tepid trellis]

for some reason

[lilac stag]

no self logs?

[tepid trellis]

(reason being the guy that normally logs was on vacation)

nah im too lazy

[tribal blade]

actually you right, 8% using DS

court is the boss where 0% DS

which makes 100% sense

[tepid trellis]

ds would be quite okay on court

if you played for bosses being stacked

[tribal blade]

yeah i could see playing it if i was on blue team

[vale pine]

objection, i like trickster more on court

[tribal blade]

not having to mess with the mark on court is so nice

can freely target swap whenever you feel like it

[vestal escarp]

I like the stronger burst on court

Micromanaging coup and such

[digital aspen]

"cries in assa"

[tribal blade]

you also reset sectec much faster

[vestal escarp]

Sin on court is so cringe

[tribal blade]

dw, i predict a DS rework in the future

[vestal escarp]

I gave it more tries than i would have wanted

It's just not it

[digital aspen]

i would've went sub, but assa gear quite a bit ahead

[vestal escarp]

Dot management spec for a melee class with 2 bugs teleporting around

Sure bud

[tribal blade]

i tried 0 pulls as sin, i was very happy to be able to play sub

[digital aspen]

you guys send cds on pull as sub and then again on 2nd charge or what?

[vestal escarp]

Affli locks having the time of their lives dotting both from afar

[tribal blade]

yeah you have everything up for 2nd amp

[vestal escarp]

Yeah flag on pull

[digital aspen]

that makes sense i guess, nice and simplified also

[tribal blade]

yes timings on the fight are perfect for sub

[digital aspen]

and can dance+mandate on first amp i guess

do i dare switch 200+ pulls in?

[tribal blade]

mandate is not a very popular option for sub on court

[vestal escarp]

If you're comfortable playing sub in general

[tribal blade]

you lose too much main stat

[vestal escarp]

Imo sub is nicer to play on court

[digital aspen]

yeah im good with sub

just less gear than assa

[vestal escarp]

I dropped mandate for court

[digital aspen]

damn really?

would imagine it s good

[tribal blade]

sub has a lot of damage in cds

[vestal escarp]

Rarely crits

Crystal feels better

[tribal blade]

so running mandate means your burst is weaker

[digital aspen]

just make it crit

[tribal blade]

yeah and sub not really stacking crit 😦

[vestal escarp]

Plus the 2 globals i got from not casting mandate made rotation in certains moments smoother

[tribal blade]

i have relatively a lot of crit for sub in my gear and i'm at 25%

[digital aspen]

i mean, wouldn't you just mandate when dance is over?

[tribal blade]

oh whoops i linked trinkets from princess

this is court

[vestal escarp]

For example the first cast of mandate is in your non cb dance, with out casting madandate i can get that small cdr i need to send the cb dance before bosses tp

By casting mandate that dance is always cut by tp

Minuscule thing ik

[tribal blade]

when you do the webbed amp it's quite short

the dispel amp is the long one

webbed amp seems like it would be a massive hassle to try to fit in mandate

[digital aspen]

they are all the same duration no? or am I tripping

12 seconds?

[tribal blade]

well the dispel one the boss is taking 20% more damage per debuff it gets

[digital aspen]

(just woke up)

[tribal blade]

so that one is technically longer

since it has ramp time

so the boss is taking more and more damage the more dispels go out, and then the full amp is when it's stunned

[digital aspen]

right

but you just send cds when its stunned, so doesnt really change much for sub

[tribal blade]

the web one you get baby windows to play

you can actually start sending cds as the dispels are going out

since flag is 24 seconds

and sub has "ramp"

[digital aspen]

idk, havent played that boss as sub, nor have I seen any sub logs, but I would just have my first sec tech in cds hit when all dispels are done

[tribal blade]

on burrow charges you send as it's stunned

on the dispel part you can see you send before the actual stun

[vestal escarp]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

so that way you're covering your entire flag window with dmg amp

[vestal escarp]

As trickster generally your second dance in flag is stronger

Unless you're very unlucky

[tribal blade]

this moment for us was lust+pot

[digital aspen]

but, you can have both sec tech in the full dmg amp window, right?

[tribal blade]

if you do it this way the first sectec is definitely not in the full amp

[vestal escarp]

In the full dispelled?

[alpine wraith]

you dont care about the full amp

flag is 24 secs

you can even triple dance there

[vestal escarp]

You're wasting most of the second dance

[alpine wraith]

begin at like stack 2 or 3

[tribal blade]

i actually gave this a shot but i kept messing up and sending dance during intermission

because of muscle memory

[alpine wraith]

ahaha yea

[digital aspen]

makes sense i suppose

[alpine wraith]

that happens

[tribal blade]

if i got lucky with cdr i could get a 3rd dance even w/o holding

[tepid trellis]

boss also takes increasing dmg per dispel debuff that is transfered to him

[tribal blade]

precisely 😉

20% iirc

[tepid trellis]

yep

you ramp up while he ramps up

[vestal escarp]

Yeah flag at 40 and you gucci

[tepid trellis]

win win

[digital aspen]

well, too late to play sub on this fight now, but will definitely do on reclear

[tribal blade]

so it's not wasted putting your first dance into not the full amp

[vestal escarp]

Most groups try to milk dispels anyway

You get a long time at 80%

And then full 12s for 100%

[digital aspen]

yeah my group panic sends dispels when she still has 6seconds cast time

[tribal blade]

damn that's rough

[vestal escarp]

You'll get past that eventually

[digital aspen]

i guess im sending assa cds the same way, so not sure what i was trying to cook in that argument

[digital aspen]

maybe on pull 300 yeah

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing the main thing for sin is you want your KB pop to hit in the full amp

[digital aspen]

im sending dm+kb right before 4th dispel goes out

[tribal blade]

yeah sin's cd window much shorter than sub

[digital aspen]

well, hope tonight is the kill for us

already starting to lose my mind

[tribal blade]

we killed it tonight, i'll pray for your team

[haughty mural]

gratz

[short radish]

we have started re-prog on it

[tribal blade]

ty!

[short radish]

with 5 new people and one less evoker

which means we are doing some omega scuffed priest bait -> me and the tank goes and picks up the web

[tribal blade]

oh that is cursed, 5 new people is a lot

[short radish]

it is very very cursed

reclea btw 🙃

[tribal blade]

oh boy all the P1 reprog wipes hahaha

[short radish]

actual ptsd

[tribal blade]

court seems like a boss you shouldn't be taking 5 new people to

i feel like you'd want to spread that number out, even if it sucks for the people waiting

the movement is so precise 5 people running into the other team on cd seems bad

[short radish]

yeah it was just a lot of chaos

i fucked a lot as well with the new scuffed webtech

[tribal blade]

doing webs as melee 😦

well i have to do P3 webs

[short radish]

were you red or blue

[tribal blade]

i was red

[short radish]

F

red team sucks

has to do all the mechanics

[tribal blade]

yeah every single melee on the red team couldn't parse haha

we all got green/gray parses

[short radish]

sounds about right

[tribal blade]

you can bascially see here who was on red team and who was blue

for melee

the only person who bucked the trend was our dk who was on blue team

[haughty mural]

there is always one imposter

[short radish]

lords of dread intensifies

[tribal blade]

scarab damage

nimble buff to range when

i'm legit doing as much add damage as our bdk haha

[tepid trellis]

just go and play with the blue bois?

[tribal blade]

i will murder you

[short radish]

thats actual so sad

[tribal blade]

but yes

[tepid trellis]

(its the same in my raid)

[tribal blade]

noooo 😦

this is what i get for being on the add team for diurna prog and orange parsing our prog kill

[tepid trellis]

i was on the boss half the time on ours

i swapped to adds on the last 3 spawns iirc

[tribal blade]

i honestly kinda gave up trying to cheat some add damage during damage amps

because sometimes blue boys would be trying to do the same thing and just walked into me

[tepid trellis]

im too burnt out to care

i just wanna kill em quick

[tribal blade]

i'm the exact same way now

once i realized i couldn't parse court i just resigned to that fact

and tried to play super clean

[tepid trellis]

i might ask to be taken off, portal duty on queen tho

[tribal blade]

i'm not sure what assignments for queen are gonna be for my raid

so here i was top melee on takazj (caster boss)

sub on those dmg amps goes hard

[tepid trellis]

havent looked at logs this tier at all

i keep getting murdered on good attempts

[tribal blade]

that is so tilting on court

[tepid trellis]

i wouldve done 2.2-2.3 on court a few weeks back

got ran over

[tribal blade]

damn

[sick jackal]

Do you do streching?

[tribal blade]

webs on court?

[sick jackal]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

yeah in P3

[alpine wraith]

in p3 all reds do web

but it is quite easy

[sick jackal]

Atm i am doing in p1 aswell wanted to ask tips for survibility

[alpine wraith]

what p1

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not too bad, it just sucks losing uptime

[alpine wraith]

does your guild hate you

like a lot

[tribal blade]

can't help you there, we had only ranged do P1 lol

because having melee do P1 is eternal suffering

[alpine wraith]

but best thing you can do is run elu

and use evasion there

dont cloak

[sick jackal]

Am doing this atm

[sick jackal]

Why not didnt break it for me so far

[alpine wraith]

you want to cloak the rain

not the web dmg thingy

[sick jackal]

I see

[alpine wraith]

that is what does the most dmg in p1 kinda

[tepid trellis]

evasion if adds are on you

thats about it

you wont die to web ticking really

[tribal blade]

so long as your healers don't drop you should be fine

[alpine wraith]

my man stealthi overstimatin the prowess of our people

[tepid trellis]

if they cant heal a person with a glowing debuff

they might as well be drooling

[alpine wraith]

they might

[tepid trellis]

there is nothing else happening during webs for the most part

[alpine wraith]

we had mages dying until somoene began going hard on the healers

[tepid trellis]

P3 i could understand being scared

cuz that shit hurts

but in p1 there is absolutely 0 things going on

but for the rough one in p3 which is the 2nd webs charge

you just commit hp pot/stone

and you are fine

[void hound]

i played elusiveness on silken court, its impossible to die to anything

except the mythic mechanic ofc

[tepid trellis]

only way to die is in p3 if healers forget that you exist

[robust light]

i put down the sub to play a few other specs

but i need... that ST back....

I need my honor

[void hound]

@tepid trellis which transmitter weakaura do you use?

fuu's is throwing out lua errors it seems

[tepid trellis]

The one that comes with the AUI

[void hound]

gg

[haughty mural]

[void hound]

damn deathstalker plays like ass

[robust light]

im with u

[void hound]

darkest night takes prio over sec tec even if it means sec tec is our last global in our dance?

[hazy breach]

Ideally you shouldnt enter flag with the mark stack that makes you end up like that

But its also a bit random with the sht procs so

But yes sims say just always prio DN

[void hound]

you mean deathstalker mark count?

[hazy breach]

ye

[void hound]

i see

whats the value you should enter flag with

ballpark

[hazy breach]

I think 2

[void hound]

more or less is better?

or exactly 2

[hazy breach]

2 is the one that most of the time lets you get supercharger on DN+second sectech

[void hound]

right

[void hound]

does this hold true for second sec tec if you play with manual CB

[hazy breach]

I mean its should still be inside dance

[void hound]

yeah makes sense

[hazy breach]

So it doesnt matter that much

[tame stratus]

surely they fix DN Bug in 11.1

[hazy breach]

[tame stratus]

[tulip gorge]

you think they will do anything for sub? They will probably give mage another rework

[swift tinsel]

Buff Black Powder by another 20-30%

[tulip gorge]

I wouldn't mind that

[swift tinsel]

since we're still playing a lot of deathstalker

you're gross

[tulip gorge]

idk I like having good aoe

[swift tinsel]

If they buff it by that much it'll do more than evisc in single target and that's bad design

and it'll entirely trivialize nimble flurry for trickster

[tulip gorge]

just buff eviscerate

trickster making sub a wannabe outlaw is a mistake imo

[swift tinsel]

sub st is already nuclear

[tulip gorge]

they could also reduce the energy cost of shuriken storm, would be great

[hazy breach]

Dont think that would matter much at all

[tulip gorge]

would make the spec more smooth

at least outside of dance

[hazy breach]

Not really

Unless they lowered it by like 30 ofc

[swift tinsel]

Should just remove fatal intent from DS and make that a BP tuning knob

[hazy breach]

They already have a bp talent in deathstalker

Two even

[tulip gorge]

is fatal intent that problematic?

[swift tinsel]

its neutral dam

[hazy breach]

Its not problematic, theyve just forgot to add a 0 on the damage number

[tulip gorge]

kek

maybe they will focus again on underplayed hero talents

I believe they kinda succeeded in making both DS and trickster good for sub

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately ye

[swift tinsel]

focus should be bug fixing over tuning if the specs aren't operating normally

[tulip gorge]

now they need to make trickster playable for outlaw and do some small improvements for fatebound assa

[swift tinsel]

but Bandaid Fix Blizz doesn't agree

[still trellis]

ye no, i dont want fatebound fixed, miss me with that gambling tree

[tulip gorge]

is it that RNG? when playing outlaw I don't pay attention to it at all

[hazy breach]

Fatebound isnt even bad. Theres a bunch of hero talents that people just dont want to play

Totemic as enhance being another one

[tulip gorge]

enhances are playing totemic now

after the stormbringer nerfs

[hazy breach]

Yes

I know

But theyre complaining about it because it feels way worse

[still trellis]

tried it a few times in my weekly hc princess runs, and on multiple occasions i just didnt hit the 7% agi buff thingy till like 3 minutes in

[hazy breach]

The rogue trees are also quite clearly designed with 1 rogue spec in mind and another one shoehorned in

[tulip gorge]

most hero talents are

for outlaw trickster I hope they are actually making killing spree a proper button to press or just remove it entirely

I don't mind it being a risky ability, but it must hit hard

[hazy breach]

The thing that bothers me the most about sub right now is honestly coup not giving snd, doesnt feel great needing to send another eviscerate in a big aoe pull.
But a very slight amount of extra cdr would be neat, oh and make flag 20s instead of 24

[tulip gorge]

make flag 1 minute cd and shadowblades 2 minutes

I don't know why they changed it on the PTR

was sub broken?

or was it garbage?

[hazy breach]

Felt way worse yes

[swift tinsel]

was just dm/kb for sub

[hazy breach]

Youd have way longer downtime

Since you could only send dances during flag

2x during blades+flag > 2x during flag > repeat

[swift tinsel]

also add lashing scars to flag plz

[tulip gorge]

wait does flag not do damage anymore?

[swift tinsel]

eh

[hazy breach]

It technically does damage

[swift tinsel]

the idea of damage

[tulip gorge]

I see

[swift tinsel]

the interplay between flag and dance is fun but it would be nice if they both did noticable dam instead of just blades

[tulip gorge]

I must say I love the current gameplay, it feels like unholy dk but you actually do proper damage

[swift tinsel]

with some fixes/qol it would be the best the spec has felt in a very long time imo

[spark tusk]

concepts of damage

pontifications on damage

[swift tinsel]

I wanted to go there

haha

[tulip gorge]

when is the new patch, next week?

[swift tinsel]

but yeah, a bit more cdr, coup giving snd/not charging, blades working with sectech

buff nimble a tiny bit

[tulip gorge]

do we have any idea how does the ring work or if it's going to be good at all?

[swift tinsel]

rumors are its undertuned

[tulip gorge]

even the supposed stats ring?

[swift tinsel]

but it looks like its similar to domination sockets/df ring

[tulip gorge]

I hope it's not going to take ages to fully level it up

[haughty mural]

i dont think nimble needs a buff

else i agree

[tulip gorge]

but with how bad gearing has been this season, I expect the ring needing like one month to be fully upgraded

[swift tinsel]

that's my personal wish so it pushes BP target count up to 9+ so it doesn't conflict with nimble target cap

[hazy breach]

Its not better than a regular ring

So presumably its gonna get buffed

[tulip gorge]

I think being able to choose between doing prio damage and going full pad mode is pretty cool

[tulip gorge]

is it the same ilvl as a mythic ring?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[tulip gorge]

I'll make sure to not craft a ring this reset then

[swift tinsel]

Would making DN consumable by any finisher break things too much

[hazy breach]

It would be annoying and not fun yes

[swift tinsel]

more so than locking into one?

[hazy breach]

Yes because you would need to line up sectech with it all the time

They just need to fix the bug and its fine

[swift tinsel]

Figured as much, otherwise sectech becomes the biggest button in the game

is the same bug present for sub and sin?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But assa only loses like ~1% dmg from the bug existing since they cant apply many marks besides DN, its just their vanish

Sub can do it pretty much every dance, so its way more. ~4% or so

[swift tinsel]

Ah, I never play sin so I wasn't aware

[strange chasm]

I did a 15 db and 15 db same group one as sub one as sin... we were faster as sin

[swift tinsel]

was running keys with some guildies last night and they kept talking about how fast bosses were phasing/dying lol

[tulip gorge]

well sin has better aoe damage

[strange chasm]

Only first boss on DB that yeah we were 45s faster

When I was sub

2nd boss rupture agi goes hard

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hybrid prism]

Bottle of Flayedwing Toxin and Void Reaper's Contract together are simming better than the contract and and transmitter??? All 619 ilvl

[still trellis]

i need da sim

wat da hell did you assemble there

[swift tinsel]

that's wild, transmitter was like a 6% upgrade from toxin for me lol

[still trellis]

ye im hella confused how he managed to do that

[swift tinsel]

can you link the sim please?

[hybrid prism]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mrN9ydsFtxFPQe9Nbzj61n

here

hella weird

[still trellis]

you are playing without flag

[hybrid prism]

ye

[still trellis]

a burst trinket wont sim well if you are missing a big part of your burst

[swift tinsel]

that's unique

[still trellis]

swap any talent to flag and transmitter is gonna be ahead by a lot i bet

or is there a legit build without flag that i just missed

[swift tinsel]

I cannot imagine any viable build not taking flag

[still trellis]

i mostly just lurk in sub channel and check pins so i didnt wanna say the build is wrong, but it looks hella weird

looks like the crab build for assa, which was also a meme

[hybrid prism]

simming with flag is like a .7% dmg loss and i dont like it so i dont use it. I'm just a heroic pugger nowadays. Don't push any real content that requires me to use all the best shit. So I use what's more fun for me and lose less than 1% of dps. So idc that much haha

[worn cape]

Do you do burst window without flag or do you have a different burst window?

[hybrid prism]

nah i still do plenty of burst*

just way less to worry about lmao. dmg is still nuts

[worn cape]

Sorry, I meant, do you do the burst window with the same abilties as with flag, but without it?

[hybrid prism]

ye pretty much

i would def burst higher with flag but throughout a fight it pretty close to evens out

[hazy breach]

Its not even remotely close no

[hybrid prism]

like i said before its less than a % diff in damage because i use dark brew too. I like this more lol

[hazy breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgUtgmnsgpewtjbTJ9M91t

But you do you

[hybrid prism]

I will, don't worry

[swift tinsel]

my flag aura has too much time and conditions in it to ever not use it lol

damage nonwithstanding

[quartz tartan]

hello in big pulls i replace eviscrade with black powder right?

[swift tinsel]

on 2+ targets as deathstalker and 5+ targets with Find Weakness as trickster

Speaking of, does anyone have a Find Weakness aura that shows how many targets in range have the debuff, similar to the Mark of the Crane ones I see windwalkers use. Shouldn't be too hard for me to cobble together if not

[lilac stag]

Can’t say I recall seeing one. If you make one feel free to share.

[swift tinsel]

Will do, it'll be my project for after work tonight. Found a WW one I can swap the spell ID's so it should be pretty easy

Might get saucy and make it swap icons between evisc and bp based on numerical value

feels kinda hand-holdy so I probably won't lol

[lilac stag]

custom option to turn it off and on

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[swift tinsel]

I have a whole UI/WA to-do list now lol

Did a big overhaul a few weeks ago and I want to streamline it because there's a few elements that are irksome

[wide magnet]

aura: target -> multi-target

match count > 0

string: %matchCount

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that's the plan

can do multitarget or nameplate

[wide magnet]

yeah i’m not sure the implementation difference between the two

[swift tinsel]

I've made some with either and they're functionally identical afaik

I think nameplate is more flexible with friendly auras

bc I've used that for renewing mist, glimmer, etc

[wide magnet]

nameplate seems to be more accurate

[hazy breach]

Idk if that info is actually valueable

Like youre gonna go strike > sectech > storm every single dance anyway

[signal monolith]

hi all need some tips and tricks fof pvp which talents we use and dont use ..thx

[hazy breach]

#pvp is probably a better place to ask, the spec sections are focused on pve

[signal monolith]

thx

[torn island]

Why does my kidney shot only last 5 seconds when it says it supposed to be 8?

[hazy breach]

If youre using it on a player its shorter

And for every stun somebody has done recently the next stun gets reduced by 50%, both in pve and pvp

[torn island]

Idk if I’m in a bad mood but wow is starting to become stupid to me lul

Thnx

[upper narwhal]

lmao bit of a difference there from 0.7%

[swift tinsel]

they were also playing DB instead of Rotten

[hybrid prism]

yeah no clue why it was so close when I simmed it last night. It's definitely a lot more

I must have fucked something up when I did it yesterday.

[worn cape]

Having fun is still the most important. If your build does enough dps for the content you are doing, then I see no problem in not taking Flag

[vale pine]

flagellation is quite core to the spec

but for solo content, surely could go without

[hybrid prism]

yeah i like my build, its fun, just don't know how my numbers were so far off last night. I was super tired so I probably just messed something up in the sim. I'm just going to use flag if i need it, but these days I just do heroic raid pugging and its super easy.

[swift tinsel]

The player base at large doesn't know a whole lot about sub rogue so the people you're pugging with very likely don't know to look for it so as long as you aren't actively griefing your heroic pugs you should be fine with the build you've got esp if you're having fun with it