subtlety

[sinful sluice]

i remeber swapping to assa cuz sub did way too low dmg

[edgy zenith]

just go DS and hit the boss

or swap Sin like a good boy

[sinful sluice]

like

at first i was only gonna practice sin for ovinax

but im doing assa for every bosses

[edgy zenith]

yeah, it be like that

Sub is good now though

[sinful sluice]

cuz it does more dmg overall

+I suck at sub

wanna get better but idk how to

[edgy zenith]

smack a dummy for an hour and ping eleem

with questions

(DO NOT ping Eleem)

[worn cape]

but the guy just got 26 responses

[uneven scarab]

(Get the flag+dance windows down)

And u will be a sub god

trust

[sinful sluice]

i thought i was doing that

[edgy zenith]

that's because I felt bad that they weren't being done at all

[sinful sluice]

but my numbers are...

[edgy zenith]

look at the past 16 log reviews

0 responses

[worn cape]

Oh that is very nice at you

[sinful sluice]

this is opener yeah?

and save symbols + 2 dance for another round

but idk i just do no dmg at all

[edgy zenith]

yep, but most sub people lose damage around 1min-2min

[uneven scarab]

Yeah i mean looks good to me

[topaz raptor]

did you waste the point sfrom premed

[sinful sluice]

whats premed?

[uneven scarab]

nah dont think he did

He went ss -> evisc

should be fine

[edgy zenith]

impossible to tell you what is going wrong without the full log. but just make sure you have 2 SoD and 2 dance ready for each flag while getting off as many sectechs as possible

that's how you do good basically

[sinful sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/야채해적#boss=2920

heres the log

[topaz raptor]

oh nvm there's a rupture

[sinful sluice]

if anyone could give feedbacks id be greatful

wanna get back to sub tbh

[worn cape]

At how many seconds of flag left should you then hold sod and dance?

[edgy zenith]

this is wrong

hold your SoD and dance until sectech comes back up

[uneven scarab]

^^^

[swift tinsel]

you'll want to assess what you have ~30sec left on flag cd

[uneven scarab]

Synch everything around sectech

[sinful sluice]

so use third dance+symbols a bit later?

[uneven scarab]

Yes

[sinful sluice]

ohh ok

[uneven scarab]

Wait till sectech is ready

Should be your first finisher in dance always

[edgy zenith]

make sure one of your first 2 finishers after a sod is sectech

this is BIG damage loss

[uneven scarab]

Ya not supercharging sectech is a fat L

[sinful sluice]

i thought i was stacking up the stacks for sectech

but this is old tech right?

[edgy zenith]

even if that was the tech, you didn't do it anyway lmao

[uneven scarab]

Dm stacks are old news

[edgy zenith]

but no

DM is never thoguht about ever

[sinful sluice]

so

1.never use dance+sybols without sectech on

2.first finisher after dance+symbols should ALWAYS be sectech

[edgy zenith]

correct

[uneven scarab]

first or second but ideally first

[swift tinsel]

unless you're playing DS and have DN active

[uneven scarab]

but yes

[swift tinsel]

then Evisc first

[edgy zenith]

fuck all that min/max

[edgy zenith]

this mans needs help first

[sinful sluice]

this is dmg loss too, yeah?

[edgy zenith]

yes

[uneven scarab]

yeah very bad

[edgy zenith]

a lot

like a lot a lot

[sinful sluice]

cuz is spent two supercharger with evis

ok ok

[swift tinsel]

not supercharging Sectech is verrrrry bad

[sinful sluice]

i think im starting to get a hang of it

[edgy zenith]

supercharging sectech (espeically 2nd sectech in flag window) is like CRUCIAL

if you don't do that, you'rel osing literally millions of damage for free each time you do it

[sinful sluice]

outside this. follow the baisic rule:

opener + dance/symbol once, use third dance/symbols with sectech on/ when flag is at 30 secs do not send dance, send symbols+sectechs only

repeat at 1:30

right?

[edgy zenith]

that'll get you most of the way there, yep

[uneven scarab]

2 dances 2 sods +flag and blades in burst window

[sinful sluice]

alright i should go practice on dummies

[edgy zenith]

this is the best way

[worn cape]

Wrapping my head around sub is a bit hard lol

[uneven scarab]

if you can watch a streamer with an action tracker it might help alot

[edgy zenith]

no amount of thinking about it is going to help, just do it

no amount of watching is going to help

[uneven scarab]

see when and why they press their buttons

[edgy zenith]

just do it

[uneven scarab]

true

[sinful sluice]

i spent a lots of times doing dummies but i was doing the wrong way the whole time 💀

now i know what to do

[edgy zenith]

also, I found hitting a dummy for like an EXTREMELY long time instead of doing like back to back 3min pulls

is way more helpful as Sub

[sinful sluice]

btw whats the meta now?

DS for all?

[edgy zenith]

because it gets you in the mindset of watching your charges and thinking about what to send. instead of just "I press these buttons"

uhhh, look at logs for each boss and copy them

depends

[swift tinsel]

DS single target, either or for cleave/aoe

[sinful sluice]

cuz, top logs are quite often padded

so idk

maybe i should just copy eleem's

[uneven scarab]

trickster still the play in 90% of cases i believe

[edgy zenith]

pad is good on almost all bosses this tier

[swift tinsel]

That's what I do, trickster supremacy

comfy double sectechs in flag/transmitter is too nice

[sharp kernel]

Just be in a dance during pad, and you win

[uneven scarab]

Yeah the cdr from coup makes it way easier to play

either way

[hazy breach]

You can do that with deathstalker too, its just tighter

[edgy zenith]

think that's what he meant by comfy

no min/maxing the task

[sinful sluice]

eleem do you use BP for ulgrax and ovinax now?

wanna try out that build

[hazy breach]

If you wanted max overall or youre playing deathstalker ye

[edgy zenith]

bro just hit the boss, I'm telling you. it don't matter

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, I greatly prefer the extra wiggle room with the higher cdr so I take the % overall loss

[sinful sluice]

i know it dont matter but i want dps

[swift tinsel]

bc I think its only simming at like ~1% diff between the two in ST for me

[sinful sluice]

our team is strong enough to push without me

just wanna get some dmgs done

[subtle jay]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike > Haste

[swift tinsel]

I also think transmitter orb is coded to my GUID bc I get that shit too often

[vale pine]

trickster def. feels nicer to play

[swift tinsel]

we're aotc only so I have zero pressure to min/max for that minimal of a gain in the context of the content

[edgy zenith]

and you get an extra raidbuff

which is sick

trickster raidbuff is OPOP

[swift tinsel]

we're melee-heavy so its a net benefit

[uneven scarab]

Truuu

[sinful sluice]

next week its 11% right?

damn huge

i bet thats worth few thousands of versatility

[swift tinsel]

Huh?

Oh are you talking about the strands one

we're talking about parry-proof from trickster

[upbeat escarp]

guys i am carrying an essence in 2nd set of p3 ansurek, cloak works for passing through the ring?

[hazy breach]

No

But you can step over it

[upbeat escarp]

ok thanks!

[polar dragon]

Hey situational question, If secret technique is up, symbols has 10+ seconds of CD left, are you sending the Secret Technique?

Is there an agreed upon time that you can always refresh ST cooldown in in standard practice?

[swift tinsel]

No, you want supercharger from SoD

[polar dragon]

Ok so it's ALWAYS best to hold ST for SoD with 2x supercharger

[uneven scarab]

Yes

[hazy breach]

If by 2x you mean using only one symbols and getting 2 supercharged points and not 2x symbols ye

[polar dragon]

Lovely, and if you're at 6/7 combo points about to send a ST, you get up to 7/7 combo points?

[hazy breach]

You'd get 9/10

[polar dragon]

Yes! 2x combo points due to forced induction yes!

[hazy breach]

Not 7/7

[swift tinsel]

forced induction affects 2 finishers

[hazy breach]

Or wait nvm i missunderstood

Nah you can send sectech at 6 too

Most of the time its gonna be 7 anyway

[polar dragon]

I understand the 9/10 because of the 3 "added" combo points

I find myself at 6/7 on my bar a lot and wonder if its worth sending another builder

[swift tinsel]

Nah

with the relative strength of finishers

[uneven scarab]

Oh definitely not

[polar dragon]

Because my haste is garbage and I don't think I can afford that downtime

[swift tinsel]

Haste is supposed to be very low

[uneven scarab]

you dont wanna waste a gcd on a builder in your cd’s

If you can help it

[polar dragon]

I just figured if we're whoring for SoD combo points, maybe forcing max combo points even if you're at 6 might be worth it

[uneven scarab]

nah

Just send

[polar dragon]

love it

Thanks!

[uneven scarab]

Finisher spec likes to use finishers

[polar dragon]

Makes sense, but my understanding was that we're sending finishers to get more ST out

and building all our burst through that

[uneven scarab]

Yeah but building from 6cp to 7cp is a big waste of a gcd

[polar dragon]

agreed i have been skipping that but figured its worth askign if i should be doing it

[swift tinsel]

and combo points, if you're in dance

[uneven scarab]

yeah for sure

[polar dragon]

Subs a fun spec, without Slice and dice bloat it feels really nice. It's simming higher than assa in assa gear, so it's time to re-learn! Thanks everybody!

[sinful finch]

@vale pine confused.com, what is performing better sin or sub raid/m+? I can play both and enjoy both. But on paper which is better?

[hazy breach]

Neither and/or both

Except for rashanan and ovinax where assa is better

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sinful finch]

M+ i’m guessing still goes to sin

[uneven scarab]

It does

Sub blows up bosses in m+ tho

[sinful finch]

By the look of the sims there isn’t much between both sin and sub ST anyway. So, i’m guessing play what you want is the answer

[vale pine]

there is no better, sin is very easy on single target and you are more used to it, so makes sense to perform better

[sinful finch]

Fair. I guess we are in a good position

[cursive vapor]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[upbeat sorrel]

do you guys pop a symbols before pull during raid

[hazy breach]

Ideally yes

[sinful sluice]

Idk why but i slowly keep on losing track of my symbol/dance sequence after 2 mins

I dont have 2 dances and symbols ready to go for cds even if i send blank symbols before 30secs

[hazy breach]

You dont need both ready when you press flag

You need 1 charge and then atleast like 40 seconds left on your second charge

And for symbols its just like 10s left

[sinful sluice]

Yeah but i experince a situation where i have dance ready but symbol is on cd for like 18 secs

Do i hold dance a bit in this situations?

[hazy breach]

Then youve used too many symbols beforehand

[sinful sluice]

Hmm i better record myself with streamer plugins on

[bleak wind]

so how come between the eyes gets cdr off itself but sectech doesn't can we talk about that

[left ledge]

Sectec doesn’t even interact with our “main” cooldown

So

Let them start there first man

[fiery fog]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

there is also a funny one if sec tech is at like 3 secs off cd

sometimes it decides to not cdr

[vestal escarp]

erm

bosses can parry mark

literally how

HOW

[swift tinsel]

TRICKSTER SUPREMACY

Raid spot locked in confirmed

[upbeat sorrel]

i did queen prog yesterday and she was parrying my DM

switched back to trickster promptly

[swift tinsel]

as the good lord (not blizzard) intended

[upbeat sorrel]

is queen ring good for sub

[tawdry kiln]

!transmitter

[wicked jolt]

The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

[uneven scarab]

Its like slightly better than a vers mastery ring i believe

At same ilvl

[sinful sluice]

do i send blank symbol here or nah?

[hazy breach]

You will not have 2 symbols for flag if you do

[sinful sluice]

yeah just expereinced that

maybe I have to change the way of thinking

cuz ive been sending blank symbols everytime before flag is at 30secs

[wind canopy]

It's not as cut and dry as that

[sinful sluice]

what

gloomblade is back???

[uneven fern]

for st deathstalker yea

[void hound]

goonblade

[uneven scarab]

goonblade

[uneven fern]

goonblade

[vestal escarp]

goonblade

[dry peak]

goonblade

[cursive vapor]

goonblade

[alpine wraith]

just dont play that shiz

imp sht is where its at

[dry peak]

how many targets do we rupture before going into aoe big dmg?

[wind canopy]

Just whatever you can if they're not gathered, then fire CDs. If they're already gathered, just fire CDs

[dry peak]

just doing +8-10, stuff is dying pretty fast nowdays, so i guess insta bomb after 1-2 ruptures

[wind canopy]

Yeah

[dry peak]

ty

[clever delta]

Im kinda tilted by that egg trinket, any way to sim it not playing perfectly

its like on heavy movment bosses really hate it

[topaz raptor]

#wow-general message

sorry i don't know why i screenshotted instead of copy pasting

but i think you can just set a "desired" primary stack variable to whichever number you think you'll average

[clever delta]

thanks will have look

[supple river]

guys if Kir doesnt use ambush how do i change that it auto changes when it procs?

ot am i missunderstanding somethung?

[wind canopy]

Guessing you meant to post that in #outlaw.

[supple river]

oh lol sorry my bad

[clever delta]

this is trinket situation for sub rogue, make me thing that my mythic ovinax egg/dead eye propably not so good

even tho they simmbest

[sinful sluice]

where can i find new DS mythic+ build?

nvm found em

[shell bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[forest furnace]

can i just macro shadow blades in with flag or is there a reason not to?

[hazy breach]

It would waste a lot of your shadow blades

Since flag doesnt really do any damage itself during its gcd, nor does the rupture you apply afterwards

And you already have premed for the strike afterwards from entering dance so you'll get full cp regardless

So the last gcd is entirely wasted, but its only the damage on a strike, which is worse than having the damage and the cp later on.

The reason there arent many macros recommended isnt because we hate macros, its because using our spells at the exact same time is not ideal

[sinful sluice]

what is black powder doing to them

never saw theses before cuz i only slahsed trickster

[lucid jackal]

They need to nerf black powder again this shit is so fucking annoying

This spec was so perfect and then they buffed black powder

Unreal

[spark tusk]

I know I haven't been around too long but like

It was such a turnaround after 11.0.5

the vibes in this channel

[tepid trellis]

"first time"

[spark tusk]

everything was so negative for so long

about design and other nonsense

[tepid trellis]

pretty standard stuff

[spark tusk]

then everything magically slotted into place and gameplay and numbers were great

accessibility was great too

[lilac stag]

Wait for 11.1 ptr. It’ll reset.

[lucid jackal]

got rank 8 on sikran with trickster

💯

Trickster gang stay winning

[uneven fern]

deathstalker is fake news man

[lucid jackal]

It kinda is

also not getting parried is so nice

[round latch]

what is so annoying with bp,i dont get it

[round latch]

definitely not fake news

[uneven fern]

its fake news

anyways

on trickster if you dont want to deal with rs you just take imp sht right

[round latch]

what the

[lucid jackal]

ye

[uneven fern]

kk ty

collecting information so i can improve my lil shitter sub

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-santa-black-clause-sumpn-gif-4610190

[pliant topaz]

shes coming

i can hear her everywhere

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/apt-rosé-blackpink-bruno-mars-gif-1539050173426684783

https://tenor.com/view/confideinmimi-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-christmas-gif-23638711

[pliant topaz]

i was in a bookstore today

and she hit me

i wasnt expecting it

i still havnet recovered

[candid field]

the add when taken away on last boss necrotic wake why does it evade all attacks sometimes? can i not press dance or what

[lilac stag]

You have tricks up

And it’s snapping to tank

[candid field]

oh makes sense

[lilac stag]

Cancel tricks or kidney shot it and kill it.

[round latch]

doesnt have a path to snap so it evades

makes sense

didnt exactly know that

cool to know

still dont understand whats wrong with bp

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-carey-christmas-merry-christmas-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-you-its-time-gif-8937953536637082786

[lilac stag]

Nothing

[round latch]

so guy and our beloved sin friend both project hate and meme or something

coz i cant get anything else

idk

[lilac stag]

Guy wants to play outlaw version of sub. And assa player wants to play sub version of assa.

[round latch]

thats some

special stuff

😂

play sub for what it is

[lilac stag]

Just enjoy it for what it is.

[uneven fern]

as an assa player

i think black powder being strong is kinda cool

i like big number

the black powder aoe burst feels so fucked up

and its fun

[thorny rivet]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[uneven fern]

doing damage is fun

[lilac stag]

Assa does dmg on Ovi. Nothing about it is fun.

[uneven fern]

ovinax is like

the only boss in the raid

where assa actually has some tech

its optimal to desync ur shiv

🤓

[round latch]

coz u are spattering parasites all the time

makes sense

[uneven fern]

ct

also

[round latch]

ye that too

ct on 2+ targets always on prio

bleeds are bleeds

[candid field]

any good videos on making weak auras? Its about time i learn. I want one to remind me not to press dance when flag/blades up in ~40s

[lilac stag]

Goto WA discord maybe?

[lucid jackal]

I just don't like it

Esp with the annoying rules now with it for trickster

where u have to spread FW, on 6 targets with ur sod crit and then u bp, but then ur using shadowstrike as ur generator

It's just off

[round latch]

oh u are playing trickster and try to do more dmg coz bp post buff does more than NF

😂

wth my dude

[spark tusk]

I don't have good videos to recommend. WA Discord can help, you can also ask specific questions if you run into questions, lots of knowledgable WA people here.

You can configure a WA to track a cooldown's remaining duration with a Spell -> Cooldown trigger.

[round latch]

this is very special indeed

must be a torture

[swift tinsel]

A good way to learn is, once you're a bit more familiar with the layout you can find weakauras on Wago that do what you want to do and look at how they configure triggers, conditions, etc and reverse engineer them

Seconding WA Discord though like LE says, great resource

[spark tusk]

I made a thing for my gatherer, I'm sure there's an addon for this already but I wanted to make it 🤓 . Buckets value gained based on the node type. I have ambitions of making it do more with gph and calculating the average value per node type.

Normal Loot window doesn't cluster the looted items by node

[round latch]

im going full blown mad with gathering the following weeks,gonna ditch keys on my rogue,no point in doing anything,im almost 634 and drops not dropping

gold is the way of the goblin

[swift tinsel]

that was my weekend lol

got a few hundred of most ranks of most herbs

[spark tusk]

Yeah market is way too cold rn to do major buy/crafting. Gathering just a vibe to do and still get gains even if low

[swift tinsel]

gotta sort out my concentration slaves

[round latch]

on a weekend i could do several thousands on my finesse tools

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I really need to invest in blue/finesse tools for my herbalist and miner

[lilac stag]

I don’t even have the will to log in during the week, let alone on the weekend.

[swift tinsel]

I basically raid log tues/thurs and gather on the weekend/sort out consume crafting for s2

[round latch]

im half way into warbank goldcap

well a bit less than half way

[swift tinsel]

I've been pretty flippant with gold so far

haven't gone full goblin yet

since I missed the early xpac rush

[lilac stag]

I have a sneaky suspicion that s2 ain’t gonna see a material jump that is of any worth. Way too many doing nothing with mats right now.

[round latch]

yeah its mostly gonna be craft based season

least thats what i suspect

[lilac stag]

enchants are so fucking cheap

[round latch]

yup,dirt cheap actually

[swift tinsel]

I've been squirreling away midnight masq feasts for hearty's since they're crazy cheap atm

on days where its better to buy than craft w/ slum shark prices

[tribal blade]

i agree, it's put sub in a weird spot with aoe rotations

anyone have any tips for starting out queen prog, anything you wish you knew before you started

nothing is too simple/stupid

[swift tinsel]

shadowstepping wrest in p2 is fun

that's all I got lol

[tribal blade]

mostly asking because sometimes i start these bosses and then find out tech halfway through prog that would have made the start of prog INFINITELY easier

[swift tinsel]

step in general is extremely useful

for queen

[tribal blade]

yeah i've seen the step tech in P3

[swift tinsel]

assuming you've done normal/hc and know about vanish/cloaking tombs

[tribal blade]

i haven't looked into exactly where i'm gonna be using them for the roots, but i'm aware yeah

have 2 warriors on my raid team so i assume some sets will explode

[swift tinsel]

if you have people assigned to solo or nuke them you're golden though

yeah

[tribal blade]

and these 2 warrs are REALLY good at padding lol

[swift tinsel]

sub can handle them really well too

[tribal blade]

yeah sectec goes hard

can you survive the blades and poison waves with feint up

i know feint at least works on wrest

[lucid jackal]

save 2nd cds to help break webs

Use ur cds asap on 1st platform so its up as shes RPing in p3

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[lucid jackal]

Cloak 2nd wrest, shadowstep both pulls

Vanish > Cloak > Kill > Vanish webs should be fine

U can probs just kill first as well

Just do kill > cloak > kill > vanish or w.e

[charred kestrel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Other than that, not much else

press feint when u need it

[tribal blade]

did you find a preference between DS and trickster?

does one feel better to play

[lucid jackal]

Just play trickster

[tribal blade]

sounds like a plan

[lucid jackal]

Otherwise u perma get parried

[lilac stag]

You already know that answer

[lucid jackal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[tribal blade]

oh yes you right

the warr on my raid team is gonna be begging i play trickster

[lilac stag]

now you can bp webs. Ongabonga

[tribal blade]

sToP pAdDiNg wItH bP

[lilac stag]

not padding if they got to die. Just making your warriors gray parse

[swift tinsel]

Tried DS one night and it felt fucking awful, trickster plays too smoothly

[lucid jackal]

I got an 8 on sikran playing trickster, with imp sht so

Idk

It high key doesn't matter

the better gameplay, cleave, and qol with anti parry is just better

4sure

[rocky wolf]

the parries on queen are so rough i swear her hitbox is bugged, been progging as sin

[clever delta]

i kinda like DS

but the main bosses are trisckters anyway

gearing between trisckter and DS is kinda different stats wise too

[round latch]

(triggering ik but..)

[clever delta]

DS really want this vers and hate crit meanwhile trisckter dont mind crit and wanna propably more mastery than vers

[lucid jackal]

haste??

Also

[round latch]

im getting stacked on vers/mast got the whispering head myth track,vers/mast rings with avoidance

wth is that mastery

DF stats

[clever delta]

this is unbuffed

[tribal blade]

6% haste, the police will be at your door shortly

[lucid jackal]

99% mastery

[round latch]

thats more reasonable

[clever delta]

guys i was simming what to craft since i have free crest

and if i craft neck vers mastery, for trisckter its 8k gain meanwhile for DS its like 800dps

wtf

[tribal blade]

looks like i ahve too much crit

can't help it

[lucid jackal]

100

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEEESH

[rocky wolf]

🐱

[round latch]

bro is injecting mastery to his bloodstream or something

idk how thats even possible

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

i cant make it to have more mastery than vers

[tribal blade]

my trickster sim is actually alright with me having more crit

only DS sim is mad

[clever delta]

yeah

spy glass simming well for trisckter too

i was wondering if i need to force my master above vers for egg trinket

[lilac stag]

What does crit/vers or crit/mas neck give you for DS

[clever delta]

idk i was trying only vers mastery option

[lucid jackal]

flask + ovinax

[clever delta]

im actaully so tiled by this alechemiucal flask that im using mastery or vers

[lilac stag]

Tempered pots getting tilted

[lucid jackal]

ovinax egg is OP

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag gonna try using skardyn's on court

[lilac stag]

Let’s go

[lucid jackal]

So many fights just force u to run around

shocked so many people just dont like the ovinax egg

[lilac stag]

No one really cares about second sub trinket

[lucid jackal]

They all got the fuckin contract

[clever delta]

i would play contract over egg if i have mythic one

[lilac stag]

same

[round latch]

same ig

[clever delta]

im getting tilted by egg

[lucid jackal]

just dont think about egg and u cant get tilted

[clever delta]

but is propably so strong that i just need to stop adhd and accept it

[lucid jackal]

3k dps loss to go contract

¯_(ツ)_/¯

• it just doesnt work on bloodbound for example

[clever delta]

trisckter

ds

[tribal blade]

first pull using skardyn's seems like equal dps

[clever delta]

so i need to balance my gear so if i play DS i throw in vers flask and for trisckter mastery flask :D:

[tribal blade]

for less hassle

[lilac stag]

clearly you need more haste

[clever delta]

many chinesese rogues play skaradyn

[tribal blade]

yeah seems good

[lilac stag]

yea we joining CN

[tribal blade]

not needing to think about the fucking trinket too

is nice

[lilac stag]

I’m also sitting on a 639 version of it

[clever delta]

i just got the trans in vault

[lilac stag]

Gz

[clever delta]

and skar is 626 so

[lilac stag]

yea

[clever delta]

i would play trans even as ass now

expect ovinax

[lilac stag]

Radio on Ovi can be tilting

I like when it goes in the egg, whoops on my shit aim / camera twist.

[tribal blade]

my first death of the night because blue team out of position and walked into me

this is gonna be a long night

[clever delta]

did you start today?

on silken?

[lilac stag]

Have you tried the red/blue mog strat?

[clever delta]

mog strat

kek

[clever delta]

wow

[clever delta]

rocky numbers sir

[tribal blade]

oh no it wouldn't have saved me

someone literally just walked in the wrong direction after a grip

so instead of walking out in a straight line they went to the side

and killed me

[tribal blade]

oh that's hilarious

[lilac stag]

big brain strat

[tribal blade]

if you immune an orb set with cloak you won't spawn any with circles overlapping you right

[clever delta]

not sure about that, i usually go under boss

[tribal blade]

mostly because it's crowded af

[wild halo]

hello i have a question regarding flag.

do i spend cp right after flag or after i dance?

[wind canopy]

After you flag. You want your first GCD after flag to be a finisher to start ramping up stacks immediately

[wild halo]

thanks that clears things up

[plush roost]

On my kill pull tonight a red team paladin walked over and assassinated me right before the double amp

Mfw

[plush roost]

Its a somewhat common strat to immune a venom rain to make less orbs.

[robust light]

hey fellas i was playing trickster before i see we use gloomblade in St now, when do i send it ?

[wind canopy]

Pretty sure gloomblade is only with DS...

[lucid jackal]

well it replaces backstab either u

u "send it" when u would "send" backstab..

[wind canopy]

And yeah, you'd use it outside of CDs

[robust light]

wtf

ok thx

[robust light]

well yea im swappin now cuz its better

[tribal blade]

very marginally better, if not worse on trickster

you'd probably get more value out of imp sht

[low agate]

When you shadow dance do you want your 1st finisher to be secret tech or evis

[robust light]

Swapping to DS because its better than trickster

meaning i take guess w hat

gloombladeeee

• i mostly raid on sub

[tribal blade]

yeah gloom is good with DS

although i legit found it feels better to run imp sht

cdr becomes noticably better

but that's just preference

[round latch]

cool cool

[tribal blade]

i feel like those talent options are such low impact it doesn't really matter

[round latch]

its more like the ultimate minmax pov

[tribal blade]

and imp sht means you can get fucked on uptime and still make cdr checks

[round latch]

or that 😅

btw

[tribal blade]

heehee

[round latch]

someone HAS to give u a green name

[tribal blade]

LOL hell no

i do not do near enough in this discord to be a green name

[round latch]

u have more knowledge and quality that the vast majority in here

my old eyes see that

😂

[tribal blade]

ehhhh i dunno, i'm just a parrot

i just see what the green names say and mold my life around that

[round latch]

Ill start open war with Eleem and Armin

joking ofc

u r just fine

[vale pine]

whats the question?

[round latch]

idk,i didnt tag u mr fuu

but now that u are here,give this man a green name

[vale pine]

green names don't need to be TC's or high raiders, just helpful people

[round latch]

prophet is positive energy,i love positive energy,the man has the vibes

[tribal blade]

please don't give me green name, then i have to do stuff

[vale pine]

can suggest it next time we do a round of promotions

[vale pine]

fair ^^

[round latch]

plz do

[tribal blade]

but i'm honored you would even consider it

❤️

[vale pine]

[short radish]

hacha should also go green

[tribal blade]

hacha was a green name for a bit

[tulip token]

So I started using black powder with the rule you guys told me. I can def see the difference but good god it is sad that BP sits this high up on trickster

[uneven fern]

why sad

big damage

[tribal blade]

imagine if as trickster nimble just replaced BP or something

[round latch]

its buffed so much rn 😂

even on trickster

im gonna try it as well

[tulip token]

I mean it does feel good to see the aoe burst 😄

[fair anchor]

Am I the only one that doesnt hate the new BP priority as trickster ? 😅

I like that it interacts with some of our capstones that were basically passive stuff we just talent and forget

[cerulean beacon]

Used at 4+ targets?

[tribal blade]

it feels incredibly awkward to me, but i can see how it would be fun

BP doing big dam is fun 😉

[haughty mural]

ain't it 5+ ?

[keen dome]

My bloodhorror 97 parse landed me rank 69. What are the chances. I've peaked in WoW. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/403100064979091457/1313985827105411174/image.png?ex=67522029&is=6750cea9&hm=5997895be45b2d57325690cdabe720656969427962d9dae8c444716574f596cb&

Nothing could've been funnier.

[pliant topaz]

I kinda like this current iteration though

I think its nice that bp has its place in the aoe rotation

like you can make meaningful choices

[keen dome]

I like that the playstyle of both hero trees is a bit different, too.

[pliant topaz]

u can still evis at 8 target if you want the extra prio, or you can pad for more overall

[tribal blade]

i honestly think i'd be alright with it, i just haven't been doing many keys recently so i haven't practiced it enough

[haughty mural]

yes tbh the more i play it, the more i like
a little change of pace depending on the target count is kinda refreshing some times

[tribal blade]

it'll probably feel better with more muscle memory

[pliant topaz]

yeah I enjoy it, the only thing that is awkward is the FW tracking

[tribal blade]

yeah this is the more cringe part

[pliant topaz]

but with the strict dance rotation with rotten that ones rpetty good too

[haughty mural]

yea FW tacking is kinda meh

[cursive vapor]

this the only thing we should craft?

[pliant topaz]

you dont really want haste/mast

also you want a 2nd embelishment as well

[haughty mural]

kinda hate that shadowed finisher is tied to FW

[tribal blade]

yeah it does feel like shadowed finishers is kind of holding back sub

both in terms of design and bugs

[haughty mural]

🤏 we are this close

[keen dome]

I guess you could say it's casting a long shadow.

[alpine wraith]

yea fw and shadowed are super bad rn

fw because it got made irrelevant

and shadowed because it breaks shit half the time and also makes no sense

[keen dome]

Put SecTec as the first choice on the tree and just.. I dunno. FW is very weird. Bake it into the spec as a bonus? Remove it entirely or re-work it? It just doesn't seem worthwhile or thematically interesting.

[tulip token]

Yeah 5+ targets. But like they said, if you have a scary add that needs to die like the shadow guys on the stairs at DB you could evis for prio damage or BP for meter pad

[vestal escarp]

But chat

Big hit is a no no

Evis should be fragmented into 3 hits

Or 6

[keen dome]

I live for the BIG CRITS. More BIG HITS.

[vestal escarp]

Some dn can hit for 9M total

But you see 6m and then the shadowed part

I always liked shadowed finishers thematically

[pliant topaz]

I dont think that was the reason tbh

from what ive seen it was introduced around the same time (in terms of functionality) as other specs got their "crit scaling"

except, its not really functional as ctit scaling, so they introduced gauranteed ways of proccing it

so its just broken

but as a concept, i think theres a lot you can do with FW. just depends what u wanna do as a developer

like a few examples : if u want sub to has insnae uncapped aoe -> you can make FW hit each target its on seperately without the sqrt added to it

u want sub to have cleave? instead of nimble just make targets with FW take damage again

you want more burst? make FW stack then sectech pops it, or after dance it pops or w/e.

like theres things u can do just depends if u wanna do anything with it

[keen dome]

That would be really neat. Find Weakness -> Exploit Weakness. A nice thematic link.

[alpine wraith]

you can just make FW only applied on dance and vanish like way back and make it 100% arpen and go full phys

almost the same dmg and no shitshows

[keen dome]

Putting more stuff into dance is cool, imo

[tribal blade]

yeah i remember those days, it was interesting

that was partly why sub cranked so hard during dance

[alpine wraith]

i was so mad in legion

it paned out but i guess the worst was going from bfa to sl

if people didnt know beginning of legion was a super wash

and also the dance spam was super high

[tribal blade]

it was so long ago i have a hard time remembering exact specifics

[alpine wraith]

i have selective memory

but my madness goes further

[tribal blade]

i do remember i only found out about the goremaw's WM bug until after it got fixed

and then i was mad i didn't get to abuse it haha

i would have liked to have seen gorewmaw do it's damage three times in a row

[alpine wraith]

it got bugged again eventually when they fixed dfa

it was more than three times

you one shot fools

i do miss old wm

the one we have now is so sad

[tribal blade]

i feel like they could make WM work more like back then

so include storm and other abilities

probably only builders

[vestal escarp]

Wm is boring anyway

[tribal blade]

if they included finishers like back then it'd have to go back down to a small % again

i think WM interacting with storm would be sick

more combo points in aoe

[vestal escarp]

Would be useful at low targets situations only

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly

[vestal escarp]

During sod with craft storm gives full anyway

[tribal blade]

i'm always thinking of ways that our downtime can be made to feel less crappy

[alpine wraith]

there is no way for an energy class for it to not feel bad

it is what it is

[tribal blade]

35 energy storm UwU

[lilac stag]

Assa would like a word

just casually ignore energy as a resource. It’s fine

[alpine wraith]

well assa and outlaw are special in that regard

and tbh assa does feel like sewage on st with no cds

[dreamy badger]

It kinda does imo

Not in raid

But in m+

Assa that is*

[tribal blade]

sin has the curse of sacrificing quite a lot of ST to do the insane aoe it has

[vale pine]

it does enough prio damage to make up for that easy

so it only rly matters when there is forced one target situations for extrended time

[keen dome]

M+ is so dire right now. Weeklies are such an exercise in frustration that it's actively unfun to even try.

[vale pine]

hot take

[alpine wraith]

yea people have been getting worse for some reason

[vale pine]

its not a new one, we discussed it before

[alpine wraith]

maybe most people cba now

[vale pine]

but wow needs a solo q system

[keen dome]

Is i- yes

YES

[alpine wraith]

would be a solution

[keen dome]

Just give me a way to queue into a key at +10 and blast. I waited for an hour to get into a single DB+10 this morning, applying to over 40 keys. And then I get in and it's a tank who's never touched the content before somehow and we wipe to the first bsos. And then trash. And then more trash. And then he just runs at people with the fear circle and goes "I can't survive this"

[vale pine]

people only do keys to fill their vault, its a reward design problem

if you give them a more convinient alternative via soloq, you reduce the bad player pool in grouped m+

[keen dome]

Solo queue creates it's own issues. But it'd smooth it out and make it a little less frustrating, yeah.

[vale pine]

or iterating on delves, make thema actual fun to play and improve reward/difficultly

[keen dome]

Easy to make it flow by letting you queue for content you've timed+1 (So if you time a +9, you can queue for a 10 and so on)

[alpine wraith]

i think people that did it just for gear already capped so they stopped doing m+

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely hacha

[alpine wraith]

im almost there to stop btw just need some more gildeds

[vale pine]

people gear alts

[alpine wraith]

then fuck that content

and they suck at their alts

then

[keen dome]

So weeklies become more of a slog. I should try doing 11's I guess as it migth be smoother

[alpine wraith]

no way we wipe on first boss NW 10

some weeks ago

even the most krangled ass group did fine

[keen dome]

Yeah

Like, looking at my details this tank I just had didn't use a defensive once on boss 1 of DB+10.

It's just depressingly trolling levels of stuff

[alpine wraith]

one spriest did 800k overall

[keen dome]

Solo queue wouldn't remove this, but it'd limit it and if you could only queue for content you've done+1, it'd elminae a lot of smaller issues.

You could still have long queue times but it's preferable to applying to 40+ keys

I also think they need to delete this affix. It's too punishing to fail it.

[plush roost]

Man i keep seeing people doomering about weekly keys, am i blessed with good groups or smthn?

Idk it doesn't feel that bad to me

Tbh DF season 2 weekly keys were much much more painful. Zero dungeons freebies like shadowmoon

[fair anchor]

I remember this video of someone comparing WoD rotation and légion rotation haha

Maximizing FW uptime, rupture, sang veins

[keen dome]

It is def a mixture of luck and other things. But it does feel like it's gotten harder and more frustraing for me lately

[fair anchor]

And then strike evis spam for légion launch

[plush roost]

Man legion sub made me quit, it was so boring haha

Then I hear i quit right before the best its ever been in ToS

[lilac stag]

Everyone just sick of the shit. People playing new classes and not knowing what they’re doing. Winning combo.

[plush roost]

Unfort

[keen dome]

Yeee

[plush roost]

Yeah i can definitely see that

[dreamy badger]

Gaming with friends is the solution

[keen dome]

I don't even mind not timing. It's the outright.. not finishableness

[plush roost]

I'm sure when I was learning DH i was public enemy number 1

[plush roost]

Now that I find really crazy

[keen dome]

I think if you know the dungeons it's fine to learn doing it. I keep running into people doing 10's who just don't know the content

and I don't get that attitude at all

[short radish]

or how to play the class

[plush roost]

I wonder if they know the content but are so overloaded learning a new thing they can't do it

[short radish]

somehow i played with a 630 ret pal who did 1.1m overall

i didnt think that was possible to play that bad as ret

[short radish]

when its the most mongo bongo spec there is

[alpine wraith]

i would be glad if they did 1.1

i was with a 700k hunter and 800 spriest

[short radish]

🙃

[alpine wraith]

i think i ended the key with 2.7m overall

pulls were eternal

[alpine wraith]

assa is made of those paper straws

cheeks ass spec

[leaden prairie]

i was just bad

[short radish]

poor non vers stacking classes

[leaden prairie]

its hard to have the same survivability

when you are learning a spec

[plush roost]

The switch from 20% verse to 5% verse is definitely something.

[leaden prairie]

you dont have the same brain avability to allocate to mechanics

[plush roost]

Truth, mental bandwidth is real

[keen dome]

When I was learning Assa, I kept dying to the 2nd boss in DB because I fixated on damage like a sillybilly

[leaden prairie]

[keen dome]

Wasn't used to the ability cadence and feint wasn't OGCD so I was struggling

[plush roost]

Me when the group burst the adds before i can even get 2 finishers off

[tribal blade]

i dunno what you're all on about, i have literally never died once in wow

ever

[plush roost]

I believe it

[keen dome]

Haha

[plush roost]

You'd be the goat in hardcore retail

[tribal blade]

(except when i'm perma dead on the floor)

dude hardcore scares the crap out of me, there's no way haha

i wouldn't make it out of the starting zone

[plush roost]

It looks fun to be in that only fangs guild

Alas i am a pleb

[leaden prairie]

I don't really get the point of hardcore

[plush roost]

Playing solo sounds mad boring, frostbolt spam and then die cause im oom

[leaden prairie]

You do piss easy content all day, that is mega boring

But if you make a single mistake you die

[keen dome]

I'd find a way to die to the first mob in hardcore

[tribal blade]

i have no interest in going back to content i did when it was current

[keen dome]

I'm just that hardcore.

[plush roost]

I mean watching people do dungeons and watching them go wrong

And just having that panic

[leaden prairie]

Sounds like the challenge is to just not fall asleep

[plush roost]

Is pretty cool

But everything else is so w.e

[tribal blade]

hardcore death videos are pretty legendary

[leaden prairie]

Hardcore players seems to also be barely human ngl

[keen dome]

Haha

[leaden prairie]

Every time you see a clip of a guy dying in hardcore

[tribal blade]

my guildies actually got featured on a bunch of streamer's videos because they had an epic RFK wipe

[leaden prairie]

They are just panicking for 0 reason

[keen dome]

I can def see the attraction but just not my thing. I feel the same about revisiting content I did like that. Dull.

[leaden prairie]

Clicking their spells

And forgetting they have spells that can help them

Buddy pressing one spell a minute and still doing mistakes ain't no way

[keen dome]

I did uh.. up to DM's and it was so.. "wow this is so boring" to me. No real mechanics, nothing to do but push 1 button.

[tribal blade]

excuse me sir, spamming frostbolt is hard work

[plush roost]

Well a lot of hardcore players aren't gigagamers i think. If they were they would just play retail mythic, since that is inherently more enjoyable

[keen dome]

True, ye

If you have fun with it, power to you.

[tribal blade]

hardcore is actually more about knowledge than gameplay

[leaden prairie]

its silly knowledge tho

you have to know what every mob in kalimdor does

[tribal blade]

the people who do well in hardcore have an insane knowledge of classic wow

yeah it's kinda dumb

it's much more fun to figure out a hard mythic fight

i like actual gameplay

[plush roost]

I used to love playing Fate, Torchlight 2 or Diablo Hardcore since it added an extra train of thought to my gameplay. Probably the same for classic players doing hardcore.

Ik if retail had a hardcore mode i wouldn't play it tho haha

Too much to lose too easily

[tribal blade]

i dunno what's gonna happen with classic players when they're cycling into exapansions with far more difficult content

because a lot of those players are basically unable to do the content

[plush roost]

MoP might be the first real wakeup call imo

[tribal blade]

yeah MoP is a starting point to that

[plush roost]

That's when the game became more modern

[tribal blade]

most of the classic players won't be able to participate in mythic siege

if they literally can't do a target dummy boss and watch threat meters

[plush roost]

Tbh, a lot of retail players couldn't participate in mythic seige

[tribal blade]

this is very true

good pint

point even

[plush roost]

Dark animus even

MonkaS

[tribal blade]

killing that boss on heroic during remix

jesus

christ

[keen dome]

25-man heroic siege

[plush roost]

Absolute banger

[keen dome]

Prior to the Mythic change.

That was an amazing time.

[tribal blade]

"ok everyone take out your aoe tinkers"

and then have to inspect every single person

[keen dome]

My guild had the highest prog on our server for 25-man Heroic. We ended uh.. on the big dinosaur just as the Mythic change in.

[plush roost]

My favorite part of mop remix was week 1, my guild did world tour and we actually had to fight the bosses

[alpine wraith]

classic players already got destroyed in ulduar dont worry

[plush roost]

It was so much fun mini-progging those fights

[alpine wraith]

now it is like 1/4 of the population or less

[keen dome]

Yeah

[plush roost]

Then the dk played for 100hrs in 1 week and was monstering the meters with their threads

[tribal blade]

was week 1 the meta gem cheese

i forget the holy one

the one you put on the tank

[plush roost]

Ah yeah waed

Ward

[tribal blade]

ward yeah

[keen dome]

Yeah

Tactical Tank Explosion

I am excited for Legion Remix at the end of 2025

[plush roost]

I hope legion remix has something better than meta gems

[keen dome]

100% gonna be the weapons

[plush roost]

Like just give us all legendaries

[keen dome]

YES

[plush roost]

And maxed weaps

[keen dome]

I bet you we get equip all legendaries + weapon gimmick

[tribal blade]

i'm actually really hyped for legion remix, was it confirmed?

or is it still speculation

[keen dome]

No but highly hinted at

The green bar at the end of the roadmap + Ion's comment

[tribal blade]

that green tint

[plush roost]

No but its hinted hard

[keen dome]

It'd make the most sense since it's the logical one to do imo

[tribal blade]

imagine if we get artifact weapons back

[keen dome]

Weapons are the obvious Cloak replacement

[tribal blade]

holy shit

[plush roost]

Hy shit

Imagine a world

[tribal blade]

no fall damage sub incoming

[plush roost]

Where we are immune to fall damage

[keen dome]

I bet it'll be the weapons as the cloak variant but you get a new talent tree

And they put it all into that as a way to power

Also a lotta cool stuff they can do. A lot of good raids.

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't be able to kill people on their flying mounts though sadly

no dfa

[keen dome]

Haha

[tribal blade]

i did that a LOT during legion

because if you did the right sequence

you could kill someone on their flying mount

[alpine wraith]

killing people in mounts was peak in wod and legion

cloak and dagger and shadowstrike tp were silly

[tribal blade]

abuse all the strikes, dfa and vanish haha

[keen dome]

Doing the warden towers and someone knocks you off. "Aha, you think GRAVITY can beat ME?!"

I am curious what the next remix would be after legion

MoP and LEgion are both very self-contained and easy to adapt

[tribal blade]

maybe wod?

[keen dome]

WoD would be a good one yeah

[tribal blade]

or they go newer and get like bfa or SL even

[keen dome]

BfA is a logical one but it's two land-masses which makes it awkward and the old world zone stuff

MoP worked well because it was exclusively one location.

[tribal blade]

i would be very depressed to go back to bfa

[keen dome]

Wouldn't be shocked if they just do Legion and MoP and cycling between them.

But I could def see a SL remix working well

[tribal blade]

SL remix but it's only torghast

1000 floor torghast

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

See, they could do some cool as heck stuff with Torghast in remix

SL remix: you can be in all 4 covenants at once

[tribal blade]

i'm in a very small minority of players who actually enjoyed torghast

[keen dome]

Another thing about legion remix is that they can do mage tower stuff.

And while i would highly like to see them bring the mage tower apperances back for it because come on blizz, I imagine they'll do entirely new ones

[tribal blade]

they would honestly have to dial back the legion content for remix

because legion had an insane amount of content

[keen dome]

I dunno, I think it'd work well. MoP did too.

[tribal blade]

it will be very fun going back

[keen dome]

Ye

They're such a good place to finish up achievements and stuff

I'll be very torn on what to level.. Druid in MoP was a ton of fun.

But legion-era Sub.. ooooh.

I wouldn't be shocked to see dragonflight remix after legion actually.

Another expansion that lends itself to the formula pretty easily

[lilac stag]

so the alpha/early beta version

[tribal blade]

you know what, throw in the rng start of expac legion legendary system too 😉

[lilac stag]

make it hardcore, no rerolling a class after your first 2 lego's drop.

[vale pine]

torghast is a good concept with poor implementation

[cursive vapor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

the main issue it seems everyone has is the fact that it was forced upon everyone as a weekly chore

instead of a fun side adventure option

[keen dome]

Yeah

Delves are better because they're expressly not mandatory at all. It's like IE's in BfA too. Or any other system where as soon as it's mandatory to be cutting edge or stay up-to-date.. It's dire.

Being able to put it down and go "I'll come abck to this in a week or six" and not be any the worse off is good

Torghast, IE's.. They're really good basis for 'evergreen' systems that reward cosmetics and achievements and work as an alternative gearing system. Just.. not when you tie major player power to them.

[tribal blade]

i can imagine the feeling people who don't have a great amount of time to play wow feel with chores like that yeah

[gritty knot]

Well still to this Day I chase after the hero track Ritual Knife - Trinket. Either via Vault every week or with maps rng 😂😂

[dry peak]

shadowdance x Symbol of Death macro yay or nay?

[vestal escarp]

After death perception is in

Even more nay

But yay is not griefing

[dry peak]

ah ok ty

[outer briar]

how does our aoe rotation work?

[swift tinsel]

Depends on your hero tree

[vale pine]

thats the general problem, also why cozy games see such a growth lately

letting people progress in the content they want is a very strong concept

[round latch]

we press storm over stab with ctw aight?(deathstalker obv)

m+

[vale pine]

yes

[round latch]

some old geezer was pressing stab completely ignoring it

wasnt me though

😂

[vale pine]

during symbols you press backstab iirc

[round latch]

[vale pine]

(for inev)

[round latch]

cool cool

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[round latch]

!fuu

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[round latch]

okok ill play stupid cringester for keys

im convinced

[keen dome]

it's good

[round latch]

dont like coup personally but wahtever

it is what it is

trying to ''weight'' my rotation in some 8s

then im going full blown mad

Ive got the whisper head myth track,got the nerub ring as well

giga pieces for sub

need a trinket though.. (other than transmitter)

[haughty mural]

i mean if you dont like trickster you can play ds now

;D

[round latch]

ik,its fiiiiiine ig its not a big deal between those two

[sullen hare]

I'm just glad it's not like 99% trickster on archon for m+ anymore lol

[round latch]

personally i dont like coup,i dont like the stupid thing,desyncs my brain for some reason,losing my focus

[young path]

Controlled yeeting is so fun once u get used to it

[round latch]

doesnt rly matter though,wont take long before its completely scared into my biorhythm

[sullen hare]

Until you accidentally tab target the vulpin in mists second boss and it sends you careening past the boss into a sure demise

[round latch]

it does so much ST

no way sin does that much ever

like i see some mages and legit laugh now in keys

sub is wild

[haughty mural]

If you dislike coup so hard

why not just playing deathstalker

[round latch]

i am but numbers look higher for keys on trickster